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Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain, Well, welcome

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical death, and so will we. Welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. Every now and then, I like to

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Speaker 1: talk to somebody who was a true skeptic, even perhaps

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Speaker 1: of the afterlife. Today, I want you to meet Martin

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Speaker 1: twy Cross, who not only became a medium, but he

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Speaker 1: has done so much investigation. He has courses on mediumship,

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Speaker 1: a great class about mediums of the past, and all

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Speaker 1: kinds of good things at his Martin Twycross dot com website.

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Speaker 1: He's also been the man responsible for bringing the Gordon

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Speaker 1: Higginson dot c O dot UK site to the world,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't know, Gordon Higginson is probably the

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Speaker 1: biggest reason we have media ship in its current form

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Speaker 1: here today. So scientifically minded, Martin, I'll let you tell

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Speaker 1: your story absolutely, so yeah, you're very very correct in

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Speaker 1: terms of my approach. You will have noticed it is

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Speaker 1: have a very strong science background. I studied sciences at

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Speaker 1: I've got a very scientific background. And you're also right.

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Speaker 1: For quite some time I was an atheist. I'm highly skeptical.

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Speaker 1: anything at first glance, and I will share something with you.

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Speaker 1: As a as a student and in my late teens,

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Speaker 1: you mean, it's quite ironic really that, you know, I

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Speaker 1: it depends what work you do, because if you do

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Speaker 1: certain work, you'll attract people who will work with you

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Speaker 1: to do that. So if you do healing, you'll end

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Speaker 1: up with guides and helpers who work with the healing energies.

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Speaker 1: If you do mediumship platform mediumship, you'll end up with

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Speaker 1: guides who who are helping with that process. So how

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Speaker 1: many guides we have will depend upon what we do.

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Speaker 1: But all of us, I believe have at least one

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Speaker 1: main guide. Most of us have considerably more and a

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Speaker 1: lot of the guides if you like you know, if

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Speaker 1: you have a theater show, you've got your main actors,

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Speaker 1: but there's a huge set of people behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: who get get the show on the road like great

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Speaker 1: visual Yes, And I believe it's the same. You know,

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Speaker 1: when whenever I demonstrate mediumship, there maybe one or two

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Speaker 1: guides who are kind of very heavily involved within the process.

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Speaker 1: But I believe there's a multitude of other people who

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Speaker 1: are helping to train the communicators to work with us,

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Speaker 1: who are helping to create the right conditions for it

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Speaker 1: to happen, who are behind the scenes, just doing jobs

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Speaker 1: without any recognition. So I believe that it's not a

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Speaker 1: bad metaphor the sort of theater metaphor for it. Martin.

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Speaker 1: Are we all able to do mediumship? Well, there's two

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Speaker 1: schools have thought. The first school of thought is that

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Speaker 1: you know, mediumship is a gift and only certain people

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Speaker 1: have that gift. And the second school of thought is

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Speaker 1: that medium ship as an ability or a faculty, just

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Speaker 1: like any other ability, the ability to draw, the ability

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Speaker 1: to do to do art, the ability to play music,

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Speaker 1: and we can all do all of those things to

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Speaker 1: a degree. You know. For me. For me, I I'll

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Speaker 1: share a story. I always want to be a rock guitarist.

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Speaker 1: You know, I would have loved to have been fabulous

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Speaker 1: on guitar, and I purchased guitars. I purchased amplifiers, I

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Speaker 1: went for lessons. My tutor said to me, Martin, with

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Speaker 1: all due respect, as much as I love teaching you,

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Speaker 1: you're never going to be a guitarist, or at least

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Speaker 1: you're going to struggle with it. You'll you'll be able

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Speaker 1: to knock something out of half speed, probably badly, but

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Speaker 1: you've got no sense of rhythm, you've got no sense

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Speaker 1: of timing, and it's just never gonna work brilliantly for you.

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Speaker 1: And I said, fair enough, But I enjoy it. I

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Speaker 1: enjoy looking about with it, and so I was able

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Speaker 1: to do it to a degree. But other people could

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Speaker 1: pick the guitar up and be fabulous quickly and had

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Speaker 1: a real natural applitude and ability for it. Now you

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Speaker 1: might say they're gifted, and I wasn't, But I still

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Speaker 1: have some degree with practice with patients with a desire

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Speaker 1: to want to learn. Yeah, I can move forward. I

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Speaker 1: can progress with it, but my rate of progression is

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Speaker 1: different to theirs. So for me, mediumship is like any

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Speaker 1: other ability. I believe we all have it. We're all

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Speaker 1: spirit here and now none of us are different. We're

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Speaker 1: all that soul upon the earth. We're all spirit here

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Speaker 1: and now. So because we are, we have that potential

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Speaker 1: within us to do it. But you've got to want

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Speaker 1: to learn to develop it. You've got to want to

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Speaker 1: show up in class, you've got to want to do

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Speaker 1: the teaching, the you want, you've got to want to

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Speaker 1: do the practice. And a lot of people, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: love to play guitar, but you stick the guitar in

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Speaker 1: her hand and say, right, you do an hour day,

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Speaker 1: you do your scales and go, oh that's boring. I

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Speaker 1: don't do that, and they never they never develop it.

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Speaker 1: It's the same with mediumship. I agree. Can you talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the difference between psychic and mediumship, Yes, certainly.

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Speaker 1: I'll take a step backwards and I'll explain that mediumship

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Speaker 1: and psychic function through our psychic senses, our psychic faculties

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Speaker 1: the psychic abilities, So they both use exactly the same

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Speaker 1: mechanism um. And we often speak about psychic senses by

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Speaker 1: terminology such as clairvoyance, which is seeing, class engines, sensing,

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Speaker 1: Afterlife with Sander Schamplaine. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sander Champlaine and we are talking with Martin ty Cross. Now, Martin,

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Speaker 1: you were just saying that you use the same ability

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Speaker 1: with psychic and mediumship. Could you tell us what the

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Speaker 1: difference is there any difference between psychic work and mediumistic work.

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Speaker 1: Is that with medium ship, the information is coming from

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Speaker 1: a discarnate mind in the spirit world. With psychic work,

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Speaker 1: the information is coming from the energy of a person,

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Speaker 1: or it's coming from the energy of a place, or

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Speaker 1: it can even be coming from the energy of an object.

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Speaker 1: So we're working with something in the here and now.

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Speaker 1: With psychic work and with mediumistic work, we're linking to

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Speaker 1: the spirit world. We're linking to a mind within the

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Speaker 1: spirit world, and that's where the information is coming from.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that that's the main difference. But then again,

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Speaker 1: you see, um, if you were given an object that

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Speaker 1: she understood, it's quite possible her mom would understand the

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Speaker 1: object and know about the object. So sometimes it's not

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Speaker 1: always easy to pinpoint where the information is coming from.

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Speaker 1: And you know, even if we get information about a

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Speaker 1: sitter about their health conditions, their loved one in the

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Speaker 1: spirit world generally knows what's going on with them. It

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Speaker 1: takes an interest in their health conditions. So say I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting there doing a sitting with someone and if I

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Speaker 1: go I've got a terrible stomach problem, I'm really feeling

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Speaker 1: did your mom have a terrible problem with her tummy?

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Speaker 1: And the say no, but that's me. But mom knows

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Speaker 1: she's got that problem. So Mom maybe sending that information

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Speaker 1: to me, or I maybe picking it up just by

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Speaker 1: naturally tuning in psychically to energy. I pick up the

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Speaker 1: stomach problem. So can I prove whether it's received from

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Speaker 1: spirit or receive psychically? Not always so easily. No. The

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Speaker 1: part of us that works with mediumship is a subconscious mind,

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Speaker 1: our creative mind, the part of the mind that is

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Speaker 1: our imagination. So mediumship action actually functions through your imagination.

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Speaker 1: So we're beginners. We often say, look, just make it up,

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Speaker 1: because we give them permission to use that creative aspect

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Speaker 1: of self. We give them permission to use the part

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Speaker 1: of the mind they need to do mediumship. And all

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Speaker 1: we do is a more experienced medium is we train

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Speaker 1: our imagination to shut up, and we train our own

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Speaker 1: mind to stay out of it through meditation. Meditation is

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Speaker 1: the key to discipline our own mind to stop our

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Speaker 1: own thoughts coming in. But in the early stages, you

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Speaker 1: receive some of it from the spirit world, and you

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Speaker 1: receive some of it from your own mind, which tries

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Speaker 1: to add to it because your own mind is incredibly helpful.

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Speaker 1: I should also say I'm a hypnotherapist as well. You

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Speaker 1: see our trained hypnotherapist, and as part of my training,

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Speaker 1: I to understand all about the mind and that gives

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Speaker 1: me another aspect and insight into how the mind works

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Speaker 1: and it it is that literally, that part of us,

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Speaker 1: that imagination, that intuition that we're working with, and that's

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Speaker 1: what we have to stimulate and train. All mediums generally

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Speaker 1: have an active imagination, because that's what you're going to

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Speaker 1: have if you don't have it, that's what we try

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Speaker 1: to train it to get. And it's a lot easier

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Speaker 1: for women than men as well, because we often speak

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Speaker 1: about the subconscious mind being the right brain, the female brain,

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Speaker 1: and the conscious logical mind being the left brain, the

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Speaker 1: male brain. And for me, a lot of men they

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Speaker 1: find it quite hard to access that side of their mind.

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Speaker 1: They find it quite hard to it's the emotional, touchy

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Speaker 1: feely side of us. So I would say, if you're

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Speaker 1: a man, you've got to be in touch with your

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Speaker 1: feminine side to do it absolutely. What is the power

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Speaker 1: that you the power it's it's not a physical power,

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Speaker 1: it's it's spiritual power. I'm very fond of a medium

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Speaker 1: called Gordon Higginson who was one of our finest mediums,

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Speaker 1: and he was also the the president of the Spirituous

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Speaker 1: National Union for very many years, and also he was

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Speaker 1: the principle of the Arthur Finlay College for very many years.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he was keen setting up the other Finnay College.

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Speaker 1: But I won't tell you too much about him, but

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Speaker 1: one of his expressions was that power manifests the spirit

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Speaker 1: world to us. Power is what manifests spirit to the medium.

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Speaker 1: So if you like, we can view power as a

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Speaker 1: fuel for mediumship. Powers and and this necessary thing to

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Speaker 1: make mediumship happen. So we all need to learn to

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Speaker 1: build power to be a medium. And an equation I

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Speaker 1: used as a medium equals a psychic plus power. And

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Speaker 1: we often say that all mediums are psychic, but not

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Speaker 1: all psychics are mediums. And to be a medium, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have psychic abilities. Plus you've got to learn to

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Speaker 1: build power. And the easiest way to build power is

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Speaker 1: through learning to build it through meditation, through an human

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Speaker 1: meditation called sitting in the power, sitting for spirit. But

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Speaker 1: also the more we do medim mystic work, it naturally

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Speaker 1: builds anyway. It's a little it's a bit like spiritual stamina.

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Speaker 1: If you went for a run. The next time you run,

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Speaker 1: you can run that bit further. It's it's the same

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Speaker 1: sort of idea as well. And another thing Gordon said,

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Speaker 1: which I find really interesting, is before we can touch

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Speaker 1: the spirit world, we have to touch the spirit within us.

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Speaker 1: Before we can feel the presence of spirit, we have

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Speaker 1: to feel the presence of our own spirit. Before we

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Speaker 1: can feel the love of spirit, we have to feel

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Speaker 1: the love we have within us as a spirit. And

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Speaker 1: we do that through learning to attune to our own spirit.

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Speaker 1: And then we do it, we also then learn to

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Speaker 1: attune to the spirit world. And it's ironic that by

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Speaker 1: sitting doing nothing other than being in a meditative state

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Speaker 1: of a hument with spirit, it can unfold the gifts

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Speaker 1: within us, the media, mystic and psychic abilities. And I've

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Speaker 1: seen people take dramatic leaps and a mediumship just by

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Speaker 1: adopting a regular practice of sitting for spirit. And something

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Speaker 1: else Gordon said which I was fascinating is he said,

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Speaker 1: every minute spent in the spirit world attuning to spirit

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Speaker 1: through meditation is valuable. No time spent in the presence

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Speaker 1: of spirit has ever wasted. And so when we when

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Speaker 1: we do that, if you like you're making yourself accessible

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Speaker 1: to the spirit world, they want to use your mind,

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Speaker 1: but you've got to give them a chance to learn

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Speaker 1: how your mind works. You've got to let your guides

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Speaker 1: and help us have the opportunity to explore you through

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Speaker 1: that state of blending with them. And that way our

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Speaker 1: mediumship will function so much more easily because they can

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Speaker 1: create the right conditions for us because they had the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to check us out and understand how we work,

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Speaker 1: and we've made the time to be with them. So

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Speaker 1: it makes a lot of logical sense. Plus not only that,

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Speaker 1: we have to learn to discipline our own minds, and

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Speaker 1: just like a lot of meditative work within the Eastern traditions,

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Speaker 1: you learn to let thoughts come and go, but not

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Speaker 1: interact with them. You learn to steal your mind, that

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Speaker 1: monkey mind, you learned to let it quiet down. Just

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Speaker 1: that we can be that clear channel. We we move

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Speaker 1: ourselves into that state that makes us accessible to the

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Speaker 1: spirit world without our own minds interfering. Absolutely, let's get

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Speaker 1: to the radio now, sure, So that yeah, the radio analogy. Basically,

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Speaker 1: the idea is that as mediums where radio receivers and

643
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Speaker 1: everybody within the spirit world has their own unique wave

644
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Speaker 1: length and there, if you like, they're transmitting, and so

645
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Speaker 1: it's about getting us matched to the right spirits. We

646
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Speaker 1: can receive their wavelength, and some people are relatively easy

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Speaker 1: to work with. They can work with a great deal

648
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Speaker 1: of mediums, and some come through very very rarely, if

649
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Speaker 1: you like, they might be a harder frequency for a

650
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Speaker 1: lot of mediums to get. That's the idea. So the

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Speaker 1: idea is that when we start as a beginner, we

652
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Speaker 1: generally have a much more limited range than when we

653
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Speaker 1: learn to work with it more than intermediate. We grow

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Speaker 1: our range, and then there's a more advanced medium. We're

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Speaker 1: still seeking to grow our range, yet still further to

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Speaker 1: the point whereby someone could say I'd like you to

657
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Speaker 1: communicate with such and such and we can make the

658
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Speaker 1: link and you know, if we if we can cover

659
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Speaker 1: all frequencies and provide that person is willing to communicate

660
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Speaker 1: from the spirit of world, it should be possible. Now

661
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Speaker 1: that's the goal, that's the ultimate aim. The reality is

662
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Speaker 1: it doesn't always work as easy as that. You know.

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Speaker 1: I've tested this in sitting at the church. We have

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Speaker 1: something called the psychic Supper, where it's eight ten in

665
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Speaker 1: readings back to back, and as as an experiment, I've

666
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: asked people who would you like to hear from? And

667
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Speaker 1: they tell me a name of the relationship, and I

668
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: asked them to come, and I was able to give

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Speaker 1: each person who they wanted and all the evidence to

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Speaker 1: demonstrate us linking with them. I thought, great, it works.

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Speaker 1: But on another occasion, maybe only five out of eight came.

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Speaker 1: So it cannot be guaranteed. That's the thing with with

673
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Speaker 1: all of this work. There are no guarantees. The conditions

674
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Speaker 1: have to be right. We have to be a good

675
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Speaker 1: vibrational match. If they don't come forth, is it maybe

676
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Speaker 1: that you just start reaching them, but they're they're busy

677
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Speaker 1: doing something else. It's just not time for them to

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Speaker 1: work with you. There could be there's so many reasons.

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Speaker 1: I believe that they have to be trained to do

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Speaker 1: this work with us as well, So they've got to

681
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Speaker 1: want to do it, first of all. They've then they've

682
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Speaker 1: got to, if you like, have some degree of training

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Speaker 1: or shown what to do by somebody. And also they've

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Speaker 1: got to be available because maybe just at that moment

685
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Speaker 1: in time that they've got something better to do in

686
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: the spirit world, they're really busy and we're calling and

687
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Speaker 1: we're asked them to come forward, and they can't because

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Speaker 1: they're busy. I'll share a story with you that might

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Speaker 1: that's guy I find quite illustrative as well. As I

690
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Speaker 1: was once on a course and a guy was telling

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Speaker 1: me that he was so disappointed that his dad had

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Speaker 1: been in the spirit world for ten years and he's

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Speaker 1: he's such a close relationship with his dad and his

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Speaker 1: dad had never been through before. And he was telling

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Speaker 1: me this in a bar at the time, and I thought,

696
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Speaker 1: that is so sad, that really is so sad, and

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Speaker 1: I just sent the thought of luck, if you're their dad,

698
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Speaker 1: he'd love to hear from you. Can you can you

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Speaker 1: come forward and work? And I got his dad and

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Speaker 1: I brought his dad through in that moment, and he

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Speaker 1: was so grateful. But it turned out that his dad

702
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Speaker 1: was a Jewish, very orthodox Jewish, and felt that agum

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Speaker 1: ship was bad and wasn't necessarily the right thing to do,

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Speaker 1: but also didn't want to come through in the environment

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Speaker 1: of a spiritualist church because it was not what he wanted.

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Speaker 1: So in the if you like, in a hotel bar,

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Speaker 1: in a relaxed he was happy to come forward. And

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Speaker 1: I find that amazing that I thought myself, well, so

709
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Speaker 1: even our beliefs that we held here can still remain

710
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Speaker 1: in spirit and can still interfere with the process. And

711
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Speaker 1: it wasn't really that his dad didn't want to communicate,

712
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Speaker 1: He just didn't feel comfortable doing it in the environment

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Speaker 1: where it mostly it took place. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: What I like about spiritualism I say it's a thinking

715
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Speaker 1: man's religion, mainly because we don't ask anyone to believe

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Speaker 1: in any creed or dogma. There is no Holy book.

717
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: We don't get you to believe anything other than seven

718
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Speaker 1: simple principles within the UK. Belief in an afterlife, belief

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Speaker 1: that we survive as a soul, and let's believe that

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Speaker 1: mediums can communicate with those souls to bring forward that

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Speaker 1: evidence to demonstrate it. But what I like about spiritualism

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Speaker 1: and the most is we have this belief. I believe

723
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Speaker 1: that my soul is eternal, my spirit is eternal when

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Speaker 1: I when I die, I'm still alive, just in a

725
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: different dimension. And I and then get to demonstrate the

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Speaker 1: truth of that by linking to people who are in

727
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Speaker 1: the spirit world, who our minds, and bring forward information

728
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Speaker 1: to demonstrate there still a living consciousness, to demonstrate they're

729
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: still alive, to demonstrate they still know what goes on

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Speaker 1: in people's lives. And for me, it's a religion where

731
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Speaker 1: we actually demonstrate it. For me, it has that evidential

732
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Speaker 1: nature that the skeptic inside we loves. That's what I need.

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Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't do it if there was no evidence.

734
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Speaker 1: I really couldn't find. When you believe in life after death,

735
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Speaker 1: you have a more quality life. Absolutely, you know the

736
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Speaker 1: end of the day. I often say that, you know,

737
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Speaker 1: we're all going to find out about the reality of

738
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Speaker 1: life after death one day because all of us, sooner

739
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Speaker 1: or later, we'll face that moment where we take our transition,

740
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Speaker 1: that which we call death. But as spiritualists we say

741
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Speaker 1: our passing and transition we often do is word death

742
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Speaker 1: from Lena. But we're all going to find out for sure.

743
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Speaker 1: So the whole point of spirit communicating with us, well,

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Speaker 1: part of it is the comfort, absolutely to comfort the

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Speaker 1: bereaved as a huge thing, But the other part is

746
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Speaker 1: they want us to know here and now our true

747
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Speaker 1: spiritual nature that wants to know that we are spirit

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Speaker 1: here and now. And I often say, if you cannot die,

749
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Speaker 1: then how will you live? I completely agree everything that

750
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Speaker 1: we're doing about the afterlife, learning about it, medium demonstrations, etcetera.

751
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Speaker 1: Is to help people grieving, and it's to help people

752
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Speaker 1: get back with living their life. So let's go in

753
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Speaker 1: for our last break now, and I want to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about life before death. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Young Heart Radio and Coach to Coach Day and Paranormal

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network, Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain with Martin twy Cross. Martin, you just said

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Speaker 1: if I cannot die, how will I live? Great words

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Speaker 1: people say to me, Martin. You're immedium. That's all about

771
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Speaker 1: life after death, isn't it? And I say no, it's

772
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: about life before death, because all those in the spirit world,

773
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Speaker 1: they already know that they're still alive. It's the people

774
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Speaker 1: here we've got to let them know they will survive

775
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Speaker 1: that death, that they are that spirit here and now

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Speaker 1: that they need to live their lives from the spirit view,

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Speaker 1: not the selfish view. What we do now will create

778
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Speaker 1: our life within the spirit world. So we need to

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Speaker 1: make a difference. And I believe that the knowledge, once

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Speaker 1: we've been truly touched by the power of spirit, it

781
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: should change us. That should make us rethink our lives.

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Speaker 1: It should make us sit up and take notice. Hang

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Speaker 1: on a minute, this life is but one small step

784
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Speaker 1: of a much greater journey. If you cannot die, then

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna do about it? I love that. What

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00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: are you going to do about it? I know? For me,

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Speaker 1: how I found you so many years ago was on YouTube. Martin.

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Speaker 1: You're the first spiritualist medium tutor that I have ever found.

789
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Speaker 1: You had a whole bunch of videos which led me

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Speaker 1: to your website. So you offer a course in mediumship.

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Speaker 1: Your website is Martin twycross dot com. Can you tell

792
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that? Absolutely? Yeah, And for me,

793
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: when where the course came from. As mentioned, I trained

794
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Speaker 1: as a hypnotherapist, and in training and therapy you have

795
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Speaker 1: to do a great deal of theoretical understanding before you

796
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Speaker 1: were allowed to go into the real world and have

797
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Speaker 1: a practice with people. Which is good saying yes, it

798
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: is absolutely but on one level, I would go to churches,

799
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Speaker 1: I would go on courses and they just say, off

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Speaker 1: you go, link with the spirit world, Off you go,

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Speaker 1: and I'd see students could create a great deal of

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Speaker 1: problems because of a lack of knowledge. Struck me that

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Speaker 1: there's three aspects to developing mediumship. There's the practice, but

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Speaker 1: then there's a theoretical understanding. And for me, that bit

805
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: was just not stressed anywhere near enough in any of

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Speaker 1: the teachings had had. And certainly when you go on courses,

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Speaker 1: most people want to go there to practice. They don't

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Speaker 1: know we told the theory. So it got me thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: how can I present the theory of mediumship? I have

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Speaker 1: that the logical mind that I just sat down and

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Speaker 1: just try to sketch out my whole understanding of the

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Speaker 1: theory of mediumship. And one thing I'm passionate about as

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Speaker 1: well is I know some people who say, don't give

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Speaker 1: all your information to your students. Don't you know drip

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Speaker 1: freed them to drip feeder to them. Let them have

816
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: it bits at a time, don't give them everything. And

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Speaker 1: I disagree. If I have it, you can have it.

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Speaker 1: If I know it, you can know it. Why would

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Speaker 1: I hold it back? So I'm passionate about letting people

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Speaker 1: know everything I know. And hopefully that comes across the

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Speaker 1: fact that I've done twenty one videos now, each one

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Speaker 1: lasting well over two hours, some even as long as

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Speaker 1: three hours, and then there's tutorials that go with each

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Speaker 1: video and they last ten gently two and half hours.

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Speaker 1: I think so far the materials probably over ninety three

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Speaker 1: hours in total. My aim was to try and build

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Speaker 1: something that really gave a solid theoretical foundation. And what

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Speaker 1: a lot of people said to me was Wow, once

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Speaker 1: I'd sitting went through the theory in a structured logical way,

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Speaker 1: it all made sense. People would say me in the past,

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Speaker 1: just link, and you'd say, well, how am I supposed

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Speaker 1: to link? I don't know exactly. But then if you

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Speaker 1: spell it out to people in a simple way with

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Speaker 1: simple analogies like the radio analogy and various other things,

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Speaker 1: for me, it becomes quite clear. I also say to

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Speaker 1: people that comes with a bit of a health warning.

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Speaker 1: You Now, once you've done a degree of training on

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Speaker 1: the theory of mediumship, you'll watch how mediums work, and

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Speaker 1: you'll see what is good mediumship and what is not.

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Speaker 1: You never watched mediumship quite the same way over again.

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Speaker 1: If people who have done my course say, yeah, now

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Speaker 1: I watched mediums and has to realize that people I

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Speaker 1: thought initially were quite good they weren't. I realized they're

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Speaker 1: working psychically. They've given the audience what they want. With mediumship,

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Speaker 1: there's such a huge power there whether I always say,

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Speaker 1: there's the power to harm and the power to heal.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've heard the worst case scenario where people

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Speaker 1: mediums have told sitters that they're useless and that that

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Speaker 1: sitter has gone on to take their own life. Worst

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Speaker 1: case scenario. As a medium, you could actually cause so

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Speaker 1: much harm, you could put somebody in spirit, but equally

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Speaker 1: the power of it to heal. You know, in my

853
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: own instance, that medium who brought through my mom, who

854
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: started me on this path, did so much good. I

855
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here now if it wasn't for that medium.

856
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here talking to you if if the

857
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: evidence given hadn't have been of a caliber and quality.

858
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: I often joke if I had gone along to the

859
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: church when there was a lousy medium work, and I

860
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: would have come out of it saying, well that's it.

861
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: You know that there is no reality to this. So

862
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: thank Heavens was a good medium working at night. But

863
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: the point is is that we as mediums, we have

864
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: to understand the ethics and responsibilities. We have to understand

865
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: how much power we have, how much per other people

866
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: give us, and we have to use it morally and

867
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: ethically correctly, and we really have the power to harm.

868
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: And the thing that really hate I hate so much

869
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: as seeing mediums hurt people. And we see it so often,

870
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: and that's why I really feel that, you know, having

871
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: some kind of training course stresses the ethics and stresses

872
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: poor practice, and it is so valuable. And I shall

873
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: be uploading another YouTube video coming soon actually on some

874
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: of the excuses that poor mediums give about why they're lazy.

875
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: It's it's really hilarious and funny. Actually, I keep meaning

876
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: to put that one out there because it needs to

877
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: be heard. All the excuses I've heard over the years

878
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: as to why it's not their fault. Oh that's funny.

879
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: What are you getting for feedback on your course? You know,

880
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: the feedback on the course is pretty much overwhelmingly positive.

881
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: It's gotta be, you know, And I'm just grateful that

882
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: it can help so many people, and you know, that's

883
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: all we want. Really. Can I just say as well

884
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: that all the videos are available individually, So I'll say,

885
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: if say, if someone didn't want to make the investment

886
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: in a whole program and they want to just test

887
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: the waters, they can buy one of the videos as

888
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: a download or a DVD. And then basically if you

889
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: then go on to buy the program, I kind of

890
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: refund you back the element that you've paid so that

891
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't cost anymore however you buy it, whether you

892
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: buy it piecemeal or whether you buy it in one go.

893
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: And I should say as well that the videos that

894
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: are on YouTube, they were the original videos from about

895
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: two tho and eight when I first developed the program,

896
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: and I didn't actually regally to develop it with the

897
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: intent of taken it to a global market. It was

898
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: actually the videos originally recorded for those who missed my

899
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: classes within the church environment and so the quality of

900
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: original videos wasn't really seeking to present them to a

901
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: wider audience. So they all have been recorded again to

902
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: a much higher standard. So I kind of re recorded

903
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: them from the point of view of a much wider

904
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: audience and the point of view people watching at home.

905
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: Some people may look at the thing, well, the quality

906
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: of that's not very professional. And I agree that some

907
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: of the early ones, you know, the car were sometimes

908
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: the light shone on the board to the extent that

909
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: it was really not brilliant. And I bought a better

910
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: camera about a gear and did it all again and

911
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: presented it the long way around. And of course when

912
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: you're presented it again, I think I built in probably

913
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: more material second time around as well. Martin, Before we

914
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: go our separate ways today, is there any last things

915
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: you want to say or bits of inspiration you want

916
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: to leave with us today? Well, I always say that

917
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: we are spirit here and now, and we all have

918
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: that that spark of God within us, a spark of divinity.

919
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: We all have what you called, we call a latent

920
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: divinity within us. You know, so everything that you attribute,

921
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: every spiritual attribute, you may associate with God or a

922
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: spiritual person. If you're not interested in God, but you

923
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: may think somebody is spiritual. You have all of that

924
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: within you, and I believe one of our jobs here

925
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: is to try and uncover that and to make ourselves

926
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: a better person. So even if we don't want to

927
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: go down the route of mediumship, even if we don't

928
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: want to go down the route of developing psychically, we

929
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: can develop us spiritually as a person. And the best

930
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: way to do that is life, And the best way

931
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: to do that is to look how we live our lives.

932
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: And when we recognize that we may be displaying something

933
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: we don't really like, we should remember that within us

934
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: is the wonderful part of us. You know, if we're

935
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: a bit impatient, we have patience intolerance within us, if

936
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: we get angry, then we have the ability to transcend

937
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: that through just reconnecting with the spirit that we are.

938
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: And for me, that that's what I take most from

939
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: all of this work, is that I'm a spirit here

940
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: and now that everything that happens to me in life,

941
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: I have the potential to overcome it. We're never alone.

942
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: Our loved ones are always just that thought away. They're

943
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: just glimpse beyond the horizon. They're always there, and we

944
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: have guys and help us. We are here, always here

945
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: to support us and help us on our journey. No

946
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: matter where we are in life, no matter how difficult

947
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: life may seem, We're never alone. It's a beautiful thing,

948
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: it really is, Martin. It's been a pleasure. Oh my, no,

949
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: it's it's been Actually one last thing as well. I

950
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: have mentioned Gordon Higginson and I have built one of

951
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: no one of my projects is to build a website

952
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: about him and to make a lot of his teachings

953
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: accessible because many people recorded Gordon and the teachings got

954
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: holded into some degree loss, so I've been trying to

955
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: compile them and make them accessible and they're wonderful to

956
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,479
Speaker 1: listen to. And that website is www. Gordon Higginson dot

957
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: co dot uk. And also there's also a Facebook pager

958
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: built home as well, so if people would like to

959
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: hear a bit more about him, because I have mentioned

960
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: earlier on, that's a great place to go as well. Well.

961
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: I want to thank our dear friend Martin Twycross again.

962
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: And also if you've been listening to the show for

963
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: a while, you know that every Sunday we do a

964
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: free Sunday gathering. It is very similar to a service

965
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: that you'd find in a spiritualist church, with the mediumship

966
00:50:54,560 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: demonstration included. Also, my great friends and mediums and tutors

967
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: Carrie McLeod and Philip Dike's run all of our online classes.

968
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: If you're anything like me, if you're interested in the afterlife,

969
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: you don't just have one book and you don't just

970
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: listen to one show. You find things with integrity, things

971
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: that resonate, things that stick, things that you believe in.

972
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: Martin and his teachings are excellent. He's got a vast

973
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: resource library of videos that all stem from the teachings

974
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: of the great Gordon Higginson. Carrie McLeod and Philip Dike's

975
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: also stem from that great line of mediumship from Gordon.

976
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: So while we do weekly classes, live classes, you can

977
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: get your questions answered and practice with people in real time.

978
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: Martin's videos are a treasure chest of detailed knowledge that

979
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: you can access anytime. And as our time is coming

980
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: to an end today, i'd love to know how you're

981
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: enjoying the show. If there's some topics or some people

982
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: you'd like me to interview, or things you'd like to

983
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: know more about so if you'd like to follow me

984
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: on Facebook or send me an email Sandra Champlaine at

985
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: gmail dot com, I'd love it. If you go to

986
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: We Don't Die dot com, you can see all of

987
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: our upcoming classes, join our Sunday gathering. We have a

988
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: Facebook group of well over six thousand people. Interviews galore,

989
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: all kinds of free things, and if you go to

990
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: the store page and find my audio book two We

991
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: Don't Die, just use coupon code free. Chapter ten is

992
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: how to survive grief, and I know, I know that

993
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: are broken hearts and our grief is maybe what got

994
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: you here to listen today. Whatever it is, I'm your friend.

995
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: We're in this together, and your loved ones really are

996
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: around you and love you. So with that, I want

997
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: to thank you from the bottom of my heart for

998
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart

999
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Thanks

1000
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,400
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1001
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1002
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