1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: And so thankfully Stan comes and visits again and says, 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: you need. 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 2: To get back in school, mister Dean. Mister Dean, Yeah, 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: he comes, which is crazy. Now he tracks you down 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: at the grandparents' house. 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 3: Because you're not back in school, correct, And he's thinking, 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 3: I got the kid out of jail, why isn't he 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 3: back in school? So now he searches you out a 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: second time, and a second time. This man searches for. 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: You, correct, and didn't need to see. 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 3: There's this overriding subtext theme to me about somebody who 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: loves you unconditionally always searches for you. Yes, welcome to 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Cortney. I'm a 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm an entrepreneur, 15 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: and I've been a football coach in inner City Memphis. 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: And the last part somehow led to an oscar for 17 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: the film about our team. It's called Undefeated. Y'all. I 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: believe our country's problems will never be solved by a 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: bunch of fancy people and nice suits using big words 20 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: that nobody ever uses on CNN and Fox, but rather 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: by an army of normal folks. Guys. That's you and me. 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: That's us just deciding, you know what, maybe I can help. 23 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: That's what Stan Dean did in the life of his 24 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: adopted son Nate, whose voice you just heard, and in 25 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: the lives of countless others. The story is so compelling. 26 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: It's the subject of Angel Studio's latest film, Brave the Dark, 27 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: which is in theaters now, and I cannot recommend it enough. 28 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: You've got to go see it. I can't wait for 29 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: you to meet Stan through his son Nate. Right after 30 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: these brief messages from our general sponsors, Nate Dean and 31 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 3: Derek Deaner, Welcome to Memphis. Glad to be here. Yeah, 32 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: so excited to be here. You got here last night? Yeah, yeah, 33 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: it's very late. You know, probably good that you got 34 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: last night. I don't know when you're leaving. But there's weather. 35 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: I'm time stamping, Alex, but there's weather. They just shut 36 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 3: down the Houston Airport. Oh wow, tomorrow morning. Action doesn't 37 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: come through there. Oh it's tomorrow morning. 38 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, tomorrow morning to Philly. 39 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: So where do you guys? 40 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: Hail from Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Where's LINKA about. 41 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: An hour east of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. 42 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I know Harrisburg, or an hour. 43 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: And a half west of Philadelphia. 44 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: In the middle there. 45 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the middle of the central Pennsylvania. 46 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: Kind of Allegheny Forest comes kind of near there, doesn't it. Yeah, yep, yeah, 47 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: south of that talking to a guy who owns the 48 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 3: lumber business. That's right. Nate Dean and Derek Deaner. Dean 49 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 3: and Deaner. That's uh, I mean, do you ever get 50 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: the dumb and dumber thing? So everybody. Nate Dean is 51 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: the writer and executive producer of Brave the Dark. It's 52 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: another of Angel Studios films, and Derek Deaner is the 53 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: producer of Brave of the Dark. We have done in 54 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: probably two years, four episodes highlighting movies. We had Micro 55 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: about Something to stand For, and then and then we 56 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: had Paul Young with the Shock, and then we had 57 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: a Sign of Hope from Angel Studios, which, to remind everybody, 58 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: is about the church in Possum Trot, Texas who eradicated 59 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: their county's need for foster care because their church adopted 60 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: every available adopted kid on earth. And then we had 61 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: of course, folks will remember Todd comber Nikki from Bonhoffer 62 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: another Angel Studios and now I guess you're number five. 63 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: You guys, Nate and Derek with Brave the Dark also 64 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: and Angel Studios released I think their most recent film. 65 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: As usual, we're not having interviewed just a promo a film. 66 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: It's the story inside the film that's awesome and we 67 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: to let everybody know this listening. Nate, you were not 68 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: only the writer and executive producer, but you're the subject 69 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 3: of the film. 70 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Brave the Dark is my story, true 71 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: life story. 72 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: And how did you and Derek hook up? 73 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: So about four years ago, we were kind of a 74 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: need to finish financing. We were struggling financially and. 75 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: On the on the movie, on the movie, yes, on 76 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: the movie end. Every movie struggles financially in the world. 77 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: And and are you know some of the early producers 78 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: were in New Zealand and with COVID and stuff, they 79 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: couldn't get over to kind of help finish this thing out. 80 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: And so Derek came on board thankfully, and we were 81 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: able to raise the fund very very quickly and move 82 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: it forward. 83 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: Well, you got a pocket full of money. 84 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: Therek No, I was able to. I mean before I 85 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 4: came on board, they had the director Damien Harris. Jared 86 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: Harris was connected to it. Nicholas Hamilton. The story was 87 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 4: was so there, but they needed the financial side of it. 88 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: And I have a lot of I'm an entrepreneur, so 89 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 4: I have a lot of business mentors and people in 90 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 4: the community that know me but also knew Nate and 91 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 4: new stand story. And I was able to connect the 92 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 4: dots and bring forty seven investors to come behind us 93 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: to make this film happen. So everything from thirty five 94 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: thousand to a million dollar investment community came together. 95 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: And that is the edition of what a producer does. Yeah, 96 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: your title the producer of Brave the Dark shows up. Yeah, 97 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: you're a Nate. We're going to get into your story. 98 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: I at four point thirty this morning watched an early 99 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: screen of the movie, and after having read part of 100 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: your story and then seen it cinematically, it is absolutely 101 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: a story that needs to be told and I want 102 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 3: to celebrate that story. But first I want to ask 103 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: you something. Okay, the first time you saw it, well, 104 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: let me just tell you now. I know that the 105 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: movie Undefeated was a documentary about my life, but it 106 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: was done more in a narrative sense than in like 107 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: your typical narrated documentary right, and the first time I 108 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: ever saw it was one of the most surreal experiences 109 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: in the world to see my to see my story, 110 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: and then also to know that I was about to 111 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: share my soul with a bunch of people that don't 112 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: know me. I'm just curious the first time you saw 113 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: your story actually edited, with music done, ready to go, 114 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 3: and you popped down and actually watched your own story. 115 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: But as an audience member, what was that like for you? 116 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: It was surreal? To be honest, I mean to come 117 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: up with another one. 118 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: I know I used your word, but it was it was. 119 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: You know, It's happened so long ago to me, and 120 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: I've healed from a lot of the pain of it. 121 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: Watching it, I could actually watch it from a filmmaker's perspective, 122 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: that it was a character in a movie. But then 123 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: it became so real again for me. And I remember 124 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: sitting with the director and he was so worried how 125 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: I would react to the film. 126 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: Bet as were the directors of Undefeated with me, like 127 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: they hadn't even thought about that, but they were watching 128 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: me watch the film. Yes, you know what I mean. 129 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: They were looking to see my reaction to what they produced. 130 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what Damien Harris, who directed this, who directed 131 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: Brave the Dark, he was kind of watching me, and 132 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: when the movie was over and the lights came up, 133 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: I just looked back at him and I just said, 134 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: you got the story. You nailed it, Like this is 135 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: exactly the story we need to tell. 136 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: And he actually is not some embellish, sensationialized version of 137 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 3: the truth. No, No, it's important. I hope everybody listening 138 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 3: to us goes out watches the movie, and there is 139 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: so much that is sensationialized. And in all the today's 140 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, all these non scripted reality quote shows which 141 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: are completely scripted and not really reality. I think when 142 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: we watch something that's that's opening screen, opening decks as 143 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: based on a true story, when we actually know it 144 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: represents the true truth, I think we connect to it more. 145 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 3: And and you're telling me that's what the viewer is 146 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: going to watch is the truth. 147 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: Yes, they're going to watch the truth on screen. One 148 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: of the cool things with going through the script with 149 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: the director and even with Jared Harris who plays Stan. 150 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: Early reading through, they would ask me, so, you know 151 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: what part of this is embellished or you know what 152 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: parts are we able to touch and move? And I said, no, 153 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: these this happened like there's a Christmas scene in the movie, 154 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: and it is so unbelievably close to what actually happened, 155 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: and the way Jared captured it is remarkable, unbeliev Listen, 156 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: in a two hour film, not everything can be exactly 157 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: as it is, because you can't tell a story this 158 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: big in two hours. I mean, it could have been 159 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: a series, you know, just timelines, you know, you know 160 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: there was a couple of girlfriends. It wasn't just one, 161 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, just because it's too hard to share all 162 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: of the different elements with you know, you're trying to 163 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,359 Speaker 1: introduce too many characters because the film is basically about 164 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: what a teacher did for me at a time. 165 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 3: And need right, you know, so our listeners when I 166 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: watch this thing can go, ah, this is a real story. 167 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: That's a real story. Yes, And since you wrote the screenplay, 168 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: you would know, yes, that's it. So we're an army 169 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 3: in normal folks, right, we don't dive off into a 170 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: lot of political stuff. We don't dive off into a 171 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: lot of entertainment stuff. The movies and the people, the 172 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: directors and the subjects and The actors that we've talked 173 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: to and directors that we've talked to around movies like 174 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: this have not been for the sake of the movie. 175 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 3: I know that a great sideline to this is that 176 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: we're exposing these pieces of work to a large audience, 177 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: and that probably sells some tickets, and I'm great with 178 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: that because the primary reason we focus on the stories 179 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: that we focus on that happen to be movies is 180 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: because we're an army of normal folks, and somewhere embedded 181 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 3: in each of these stories is a heroic, normal person 182 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: who did some extraordinary and that is the story as 183 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: told through the lens of your eyes, because you are 184 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: the recipient of that amazing piece of work, which is 185 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: what we're going to get into. But I got to 186 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: ask Derek first, when you first read the script, forget 187 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: anything else, your first reading, not notes, not just reading 188 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: the script, What did you think? 189 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: I was completely moved and emotional. You know, everybody that's 190 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 4: read this script has said, oh my gosh, the script, 191 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, the story like it. It's not something 192 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 4: you know. I read a lot of scripts and you 193 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: don't always get caught up and you're like, oh, what 194 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 4: time is that I got to go and I have 195 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: to finish this. That you just get drawn into it. 196 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 4: And it also you know, being from the same town 197 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 4: that it takes place in. I went to Gardens Spot 198 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 4: High School, the same high school I knew stand well, 199 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 4: you know, not as good as me, but I knew 200 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 4: mister Dean pretty well too. It just brought so many 201 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 4: feelings and emotions. And but I also didn't know the 202 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: depth of what Nate went through until I read the script. 203 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: I knew some. 204 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 4: Things you had told me some things, but I didn't 205 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 4: know the depth. So it was moving. 206 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: You knew Nate prior, yes, and so as you're reading 207 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: a script about a friend of yours, yeah, and things 208 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: are being revealed to you that you had not known. 209 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: It had to have been kind of personal. Oh yeah, 210 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: it was. You know. 211 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 4: The movie kind of peels back the young end slowly 212 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: and with flashbacks and different things starts to reveal. And 213 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 4: when you read, when you read the script, it just 214 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 4: visually you just are there. It's a really it's a 215 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 4: beautiful script. And so that's the foundation of any independent 216 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: film is a good story, which is then the script, 217 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 4: and that's how you get people to come alongside and help. 218 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: You make it so the script draws it in. Yeah, 219 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: you can have the greatest actors in the world, you 220 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: can have the greatest director in the world, but if 221 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: you have a crap script, nobody's ever going to know that. Conversely, 222 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: you may have no director or no actor, but if 223 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: you have a killer script, it will attract the talent. Yeah, 224 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 3: and the money. That's what happened. And that's what happened. 225 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 4: And the money came from the culmination of the script 226 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: that the talent that got attached to it. 227 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: The community. 228 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 4: You know, there was people adults like Nate that grew 229 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 4: up with Stan being an impact. Obviously not to the 230 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 4: level that he did for Nate, but there were a 231 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: lot of adults that are in businesses now, were entrepreneurs. 232 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 4: Are like, man, I want to tell the story with you. 233 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 4: I'm going to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars without 234 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 4: a distributor yet I just believe that this film will 235 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 4: find its way. And it went on a roller coaster 236 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 4: ride that lasted me eight thirteen years ago penned the 237 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 4: first draft with this writing partner, and four years ago 238 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 4: I came on board. In between that, you know, we 239 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 4: titled it the film, you know, like just like the 240 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 4: Little Engine that Could, the Little Film that Could. It's 241 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 4: always had positive momentum, moved in the right direction. But 242 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: it's not for the faint hearted either, you know. 243 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: And now a few messages from our general sponsors. But 244 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: first we've launched a new written series called Normal Folks Wisdom. 245 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: I think Alex came up with that. Did you come 246 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: up with that? And an Army of normal dead Folks. 247 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: People have strong feelings on that one already, so we'll 248 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: see what they think about this. I don't know about 249 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: these titles, but anyway, we've got this thing called Normal 250 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: Folks Wisdom. Come on, you like it? I do like it, 251 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: Actually I like it better than Dead Folks. But whatever. 252 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 3: What Normal Folks Wisdom is is it's the heroic normal 253 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: folks we interview and when they share poignant, cutting, practical, 254 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: and oftentimes hilarious wisdom with us. So we want to 255 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: make it digestible for Army members, especially if you don't 256 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 3: get a chance to listen to every single episode with 257 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: shame on you, you should or all the way through, so 258 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: we think everybody can find it valuable. 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But before 269 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: we get to your stories, one other sideline that I 270 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: think is just interesting for our listeners, and you guys 271 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: can speak to it. But I didn't know anything about 272 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: this world until two thousand and nine, and then the 273 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: world changed for me. And I'm the producer on two 274 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: films in developed ones and development one's about to be 275 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: in production now, and so from a little bit, I'm 276 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: kind of on the periphial of the movie business. But 277 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 3: everybody listening here needs to know that the movie business 278 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 3: model is the most screwed up business model on the 279 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: base of the planet. You have three legs, you have development, 280 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 3: you have production, and then you have distribution, and at 281 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 3: any point and any time, you could have millions of 282 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 3: dollars invested, and if one of those legs falls apart, 283 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 3: you can throw the whole thing in the garbage. Big 284 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 3: production houses in Hollywood there are I'm going to guess, 285 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: and I'm going to try to not to exaggerate, it's 286 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: exponentially more. I would say there are twenty times the 287 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: number of films that anybody ever sees. There are twenty 288 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: times those number of fiels canned sitting on a shelf 289 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 3: somewhere that will never seen them light to day. One 290 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 3: big time producer told me that they will spend money 291 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: at the big houses developing thirty or forty films a 292 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 3: year to make to actually release industry four to eight 293 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: on a really good year, and of those four to eight, 294 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 3: two will be profitable, and basically two profitable Mary movies 295 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: carry the entire cost load for all thirty projects of 296 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 3: the year. And if they don't get one or two 297 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 3: to make money, they lose money. If they make one, 298 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: if one or two may make it, so it's it 299 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: is a massively risky business. Yes, it takes an enormous 300 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: amount of money to produce a movie, and all the 301 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: way along until it hits a theater you actually get 302 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: distribution from somebody, you still have no idea if you're 303 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: pouring all that money down a drain somewhere. Yes, what 304 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 3: was what was your experience with this film in terms 305 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: of the development, production up to distribution which is about 306 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 3: to happen in a couple of weeks. Yeah, do you 307 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 3: want me to? Okay? 308 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 4: I mean explaining it like that so well invokes anxiety. 309 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 4: But no, but. 310 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 3: Especially since you're the one out there telling all these 311 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: people for your money, it's got to be greatause you're 312 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: going to get about how many investors? So that's forty 313 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 3: seven phone calls of what did you do with the money? Butthole, 314 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 3: that's what happens. 315 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 4: No, it's what happens. I think very fortunate that this was. 316 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 4: There was so much positivity and belief and energy and 317 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 4: impact with this film. That's an impact film. And all 318 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 4: of our investors they knew what they were getting into. 319 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 4: They knew I wasn't promising returns. I wasn't doing anything 320 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: like that. They you know, they had met Nate, they 321 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 4: heard his story directly from him, and and we're like 322 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 4: you know, this is a if there's any film I 323 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 4: want to get behind, it's this film. And and it's 324 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 4: also like the biggest film to come out of Lancaster 325 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 4: since Witness. It's the only film to come out of 326 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 4: Lancaster that's based on a true hero, mister Dean and 327 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 4: and Nate's story and how that hunt of all came 328 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 4: to be. So, you know, we were very fortunate because 329 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 4: it's not like we were in la and one hundred 330 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 4: movies were and made and you had to pick one 331 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 4: to invest in, Like this was the film of the 332 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 4: century to come out of our of our town. People 333 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 4: wanted to be part of it. They wanted to be 334 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 4: kind of this momentum that was beginning. We had winded 335 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 4: our back even though it was insanely art. We ne't 336 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 4: have a distributor yet, we had a great agent at 337 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 4: the time. We had amazing talent. We had a great cinematographer. 338 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 4: Our director was great. I mean, we had a mating script, story, 339 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 4: all the things you need, all the pieces, but except 340 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 4: the cash. Except the cash. Yes, And then we slowly 341 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 4: had like a couple of people saying, Okay, I'll give 342 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: you five hundred thousand. I'll give you three hundred thousand, 343 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 4: and then and then it started to build and then 344 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 4: we you know, there's an underwater scene that was going 345 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 4: to get cut because that was done months later because 346 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 4: we didn't have money. And then the investors came in 347 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 4: and gave us more money. And then we needed more 348 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 4: post production. We needed some compote. We really wanted to 349 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: work with these composers, but we needed more funds. The 350 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 4: investors came kept giving me more money, kept giving us 351 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 4: more money, and they would come on set, you know, 352 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 4: and we have you know, you're burning whatever, one hundred 353 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 4: thousand a day. I don't know, you burn a lot 354 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 4: of money every day. They come out on set. They're 355 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 4: all entrepreneurs. They see like, I'm an entrepreneur as much 356 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 4: I'm an entrepreneur filmmaker, and they see the hustle that 357 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 4: everybody's doing to make this happen. 358 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: How many dice worst production twenty six Yeah, that's so. 359 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: Most people also think people spend a year. Yeah, you can't. 360 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 3: Twenty six days. And that's hammering it. 361 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 4: It's hammering, and we were very fortunate, Like so Jared Harris, 362 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 4: our lead actor, he's Damien Harris, the director's brother and 363 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 4: Jared's played in what he was in Chernobyl and mad 364 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 4: Men and the Crown, you know in I mean over 365 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 4: one hundred credits or you know in film and TV. 366 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 4: Really amazing actor Richard Harris's son, Damian Harrison, and Jamie 367 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 4: Harris their other brother, were all three in this. And 368 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 4: so we're fortunate because he came in a month early 369 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 4: to start rehearsing with Damien, and then Nicholas Hamilton, who 370 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 4: played Nate, came in a month early too. That never 371 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 4: happens independent film. They show up the day before you 372 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 4: start shooting and and they just they did that on 373 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 4: their own and they were like doing research. They you know, 374 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: Nate was introducing them to people who knew Stan, you know, 375 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 4: people who knew Nate as a kid. You know, just 376 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 4: so many people. They were doing so much research they met. 377 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: It was a huge in character development. 378 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 4: Yes, and we had a dialect coach because there's a 379 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 4: there's a show called Mayor of Eastown in our community. 380 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 3: There. 381 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 4: The dialect coach of that, Suzanne, She came early because 382 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 4: Jared's from the UK, so British accent. Nicks from the 383 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 4: Australia Australian accent, so she was working with them and 384 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: rehearsing with them, and they started building a camaraderie and 385 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 4: that is how it translates to the screen like so fortunate, 386 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 4: like a lot of times on these indies, like these 387 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 4: actors are coming. Like I said the day before, Hey, 388 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: how you doing. You read the script? I read the script. 389 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 4: Let's start that that's on low budgets. And then also 390 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 4: like you know, kind of combating on like okay, well 391 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 4: I need to be here for this scene, like this 392 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 4: is where I feel like I need to be not 393 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 4: and then you know, the cinematographer and the director's like, 394 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 4: well I would love for you to be here, like no, no, no, 395 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 4: I kind of really need to be here, you know. 396 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 4: And Jared and Nick were like, tell me a where 397 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 4: to go. I will act wherever I need to act, 398 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 4: Like let's make our days. We never missed our days. 399 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 3: Stuff's going on. You know you've got a shot. 400 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, those little those little things give me the chills 401 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 4: that you said that, because like you know, it was 402 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 4: like oxygen, like all those little things that happened every 403 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: time Nate and I would get a set back, get 404 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 4: punched in the gut the next hour something crazy like that, 405 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 4: would happen like it was like. 406 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: Pest. 407 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jared came on set, like you said, like literally 408 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: a month before and listen to every audio, video clip, photograph. 409 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: He looked through everything. He interviewed people that new Stan 410 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: loves Stan, and so he was very much involved, you know, 411 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: and and that he loved the story so much, and 412 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: so did Nick. That's why I think it was so successful, 413 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: because they were willing to do the things. 414 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: Okay, so everybody's got the background on the movie business. 415 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 3: Now specifically this, I don't want to spoil everything, but 416 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: I will say the movie opens with you in high school, 417 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: but there's a series of flashbacks and all kinds of 418 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: other content. Why you are where you are and how 419 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: you are in high school is revealed throughout the movie. 420 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: So there's that. But again, we really want to celebrate 421 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: not only you as a subject to the movie, but 422 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 3: the real hero of the movie. And to get to 423 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: the real hero of the movie, I think we need 424 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: to go back to you as a five year old 425 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 3: and kind of start there. Why don't you tell me 426 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: about your experience as a as a little boy. 427 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, sadly in this world, children are hurt 428 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: at very young ages. And I was physically emotionally in 429 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: all the ways that a young child can be hurt. 430 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: I felt at the age of five years old. I 431 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: remember it as if it was yesterday at times, and 432 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: childhood trauma affects the rest of your life. It still 433 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: affects me to this day in certain ways. I don't 434 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: let it hold me back. I pushed through most of it. 435 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: But yeah, I experienced some some major childhood trauma at 436 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: the age of five years old. And I don't know 437 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: how much we want to get into. 438 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 3: I want to hear it. 439 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: You want to hear it. 440 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 3: I want to hear it. I've seen it, Okay, I've 441 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 3: read about it. I want our listeners when they're watching 442 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 3: the movie, I want your voice today to echo in 443 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: their minds. Yeah. 444 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: So, at the age of five, I was playing out 445 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: in the front yard of my house and my father 446 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: pulled in in his you know, loud car and was 447 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: very angry and I didn't realize or understand why. And yeah, 448 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: and he just kind of looked down at me and 449 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: yelled at me and was like, where's your mother? And 450 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: I'm not going to give this part away, but I 451 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: said something to him that I ended up blaming myself 452 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: for for most of my life. And he ran inside 453 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: yelling for her, and found my mother and dragged her 454 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: outside of the house by her hair, literally ripping the 455 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: hair out of her head at times in clumps. He 456 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: was pulling her that hard face down, humiliating her, yelling 457 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: at her, and she's screaming for help, and there's no 458 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: one there to help her. I couldn't do anything, And 459 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: for some reason, I didn't run and hide. I just 460 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: kind of was stunned and. 461 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: Just watched as he I think that's legitimately shocked. 462 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was shocked. But I'm a very visual person. 463 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: I've always been, and so those visions, you know, more 464 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 1: of that than the sounds. There's only a couple of 465 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: sounds that I remember as much as you know, just 466 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: screaming and whatnot. But to then see her being pushed 467 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: up against the car and being forced to look in 468 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: the rear view mirror, like in the the rear seat window, 469 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: and saying, do you see what I have for you? 470 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: And he had he had been target practicing with his 471 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: thirty odd six. He had determined that he was going 472 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: to do some very bad things that day, there was 473 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: no question, And somehow she managed to struggle free, and 474 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: she ran past me, and she's yelling for me to 475 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: stay with her, to to like run with her, and 476 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: I just couldn't. I just froze, a complete froze. And 477 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: then you know, I saw her run into the house, 478 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: and of course, as a mother, you know, she she 479 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: looked back, and she looked out the window to find me, 480 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: to see me and encourage me to run, and I didn't. 481 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: I just stood there frozen. And meanwhile, my father had 482 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: grabbed the gun out of the back seat, and he 483 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: walked towards the front door, and when she opened the 484 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: curtains to look back, he pulled the trigger. And that's 485 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: probably the sound that I remember the most, is the 486 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: loud sound of that gun, the explosion of that gun 487 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: going off, and just shaking, just like it just reverberated 488 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: through my soul. To see my mom fall and still screaming, 489 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: she managed to crawl into the living room, and for 490 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: some reason, I kind of came to I guess I 491 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: walked into the house, opened that door where the bullet 492 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: had gone through the window, and walked over to my 493 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 1: mother and I knelt down. And she didn't say I 494 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: loved you. She didn't say she was going to miss me. 495 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: She just said to run. She said run because she 496 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: didn't want something bad to happen to me. And so 497 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: I ran and hid behind the sofa where I had 498 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: always hit, because this wasn't the first time my dad 499 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: had showed violence to my mother. He had always beat 500 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: her and yelled at her and put her down and 501 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: choked her as I was always seemed to be there 502 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: in the background, hiding, and thankfully most of the times 503 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: he just pushed her down and left, but. 504 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 3: This time he didn't. We'll be right back. 505 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: So I just said, Mommy, don't go. And so then 506 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: I heard the front door open again, and I heard 507 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: my my dad's cowboy boots walking across the floor, and 508 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: so I listened to my mother. I ran and hid 509 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: behind that sofa, and I kind of heard the last 510 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: breaths of my mother, and then my dad walked in 511 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: and at the same time, we both saw her kind 512 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: of body twitch. It was kind of like that last 513 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: inhale and like I believe that she had passed, but 514 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: he wanted to make sure, and so he took that 515 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: gun and he pointed at her head and he shot again, 516 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: and I just remember holding my ears and my eyes 517 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: tightly closed. And I don't know how long that was. 518 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: Something that's not in the film. We just felt like 519 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: it was just too much for the audience. But when 520 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: my dad went back outside on the porch, I went 521 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: back to my mother and I createled her head in 522 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: my arms and I held on to her, and in 523 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: the distance you could hear the sirens. My neighbor had 524 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: called the police. But it could have been twenty minutes, 525 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: who knows. I don't even remember time wise. But I 526 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: kind of walked outside and I walked over to my 527 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: dad and he was sitting on the porch and he 528 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: was crying, and he still had the gun in his hand, 529 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: but he was crying, and all of a sudden, he 530 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: kind of noticed me there and he kind of shook 531 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: him for a moment, and he kind of almost instantly 532 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: stopped crying, and he stood up and he walked right 533 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: over to me, and he looked right down at me, 534 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: and he's and you know, you know, in the film, 535 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, he's gonna do something to 536 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: this kid, But to me, I didn't know anything. I 537 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: just stood there, like questioning what's going on, and in 538 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: total shock. And he looked right down at me and 539 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: he said, I'm sorry, son, but if I can't have her, 540 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: no one's going to have her. And that's emphasized in 541 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: the film because they were separated and my mom had 542 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: moved on, but he did not. And then the hard 543 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: part where he tried to put the gun in his 544 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: mouth and pulled the trigger but he couldn't reach the trigger. 545 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: He turned around with his back to me, and I 546 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: I would say that he shoved that gun so far 547 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: into his throat that he could pull the trigger. And 548 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: I stood there as and again we kind of cut 549 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: some of this stuff. It's too much for the audience. 550 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: But his blood went all over me and he fell 551 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: to the ground beside me, and I just remember closing 552 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: my eyes for a very long time, afraid to open them, 553 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: afraid to even move. I don't even know how. 554 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 3: Long I stood there. 555 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: And in the movie, I just, you know, I just 556 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: sat there, But in reality, I actually went up the 557 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: stairs to my mom's bedroom and I just sat on 558 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: the bed. And something else that's not portrayed in the 559 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: movie I'd love to share is that when the police 560 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: did arrive, they didn't know what was going on. They 561 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: thought it was a double murder because they didn't understand 562 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: how a guy could take a gun like that and 563 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: do that. But again they figured that out. But one 564 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: of the police officers came upstairs and he led me 565 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: down the stairs and said we're we're gonna take you somewhere. 566 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: And I just remember walking down and they held blankets 567 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: up to cover my mom so that I wouldn't see 568 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: my mom, and they did that with my dad, and 569 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: then they handed me over to my neighbor lady who 570 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: I knew, and that's portrayed in the film where she 571 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: takes me over to her house, into her mud room 572 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: and she puts me in this little galvanized metal tub, 573 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: takes my shirt off, and begins to pour water over 574 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: me to remove all the blood. She started singing this 575 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: little light of mine that's really prevalent in the film. Yeah, 576 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: so that was the day. That was what I experienced. 577 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 3: You're going to find out through our conversation that you're in. 578 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 3: My life has interesting intersections, one of which is my 579 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 3: mom's fourth husband took out a gun when I was 580 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 3: in high school, shot the house up, and I dove, 581 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to save myself. My mom head in 582 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 3: the attic and he ran out of bullets and was 583 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 3: reloading when the cops showed up. My mom lived, so 584 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: I can't even begin to identify with watching. Plus I 585 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: was a teenager, I wasn't a five year old. But 586 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: I can tell you this bro the sounds, the looks 587 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: on faces. I remember the bullet that passed me in 588 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 3: the hallway when it hit the closet. The weirdest thing 589 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 3: I remember is the clothes hangers knocking because the bullet 590 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: went through it. And like, I don't even remember the 591 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 3: sound gun, but I remember the clothes hangers going. And 592 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 3: all I can say is for a five year old 593 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 3: to experience that, that's as traumatic and will spur as 594 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 3: much PTSD as anybody deserved any war, and it will 595 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 3: have a profound effect on the psyche of any human 596 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 3: being that's been through it, much less a five year old. 597 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 3: And what is needed at that point is an enormous 598 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 3: amount of love and patience for grieving and everything else 599 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 3: which you did not get. So next step is the 600 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 3: only people you've got is your grandmother and father at 601 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 3: this point. Yeah, so tell me about that part. 602 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of my grandparents didn't know what to 603 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: do and sadly people lied to me. People tried to 604 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: say that it was just an accident, that it never 605 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: really happened that I did. 606 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 3: This was the seventies, right, yeah, seventy three. Yeah five, 607 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 3: you an aren't the same age you were born in 608 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 3: sixty eighth then yeah, me too. So was that shame 609 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 3: and they were trying to hide the quote real story 610 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 3: or were they trying to protect you or both? 611 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: I think a little bit of both. 612 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 3: I don't think no, you sat there and saw it, 613 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 3: you're five, But they were emory. 614 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: They weren't there to see that I saw it. So 615 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: when I said I saw this happen, They're like, no, 616 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: you did not like they I think in some ways 617 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: they were trying to protect me or the gaslighting, you know. 618 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of times adults can lie, 619 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: especially to foster child, Oh you're not a dop like 620 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: like they don't say that you've been adopted, or like, 621 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, you find out when you're sixteen that you 622 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: were adopted. Like that to me is like insane, Like 623 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: why would you not tell your kid that you are 624 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: fostering or adopting that they're adopted? Like why let them 625 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 1: find out on the internet anyway, that's a whole nother 626 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: story somebody. 627 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they. 628 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: Find out from someone else and then. 629 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 3: In your whole reality correct. 630 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: And so I and I began questioning, like, what did 631 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: I see? 632 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 3: Did I see this? 633 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: You know, was it really true? 634 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 635 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: But I knew, I knew there's no hiding or denying that. 636 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: But I had to hide it. 637 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 3: Your grandparents couldn't handle you, And so their answer to 638 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 3: that was yeah. 639 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: So so I ended up shutting down. My body shut down. 640 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 1: As a five year old that stress that that hurt, 641 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: I shut down. I literally did not speak for the 642 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: next two years, and for the two months I think 643 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: that that I was with my grandmother and grandfather. They 644 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: tried desperately to get me to talk, but I just 645 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: would not say anything. I had nothing to say. 646 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 3: For one, you need professional help. 647 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I had severe trauma. Trauma, and back then 648 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: it was a different thing, like it wasn't like it 649 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: is today. You know today, Yeah, no one understood that. 650 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: And again the newspaper was like, there was a child there, 651 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: but he was upstairs. He didn't see anything. So that 652 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: made everyone in the new you know, everyone reading it, go, oh, 653 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: we at least that didn't but right right, he's okay. 654 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: But you know, we hide some of those truths sometimes. 655 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: And again I didn't tell people other than my so 656 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: no one really knew that I had seen it at 657 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: that time. But anyway, my grandmother felt that they were 658 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: too old to take care of a traumatic five year old, 659 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: you know, a kid full of trauma who wouldn't speak. 660 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: She didn't know how to handle me, and she thought 661 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: the best thing to do was to take me to 662 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: an orphanage and drop me off. And can I tell 663 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: you driving up that lane to that orphanage, sitting in 664 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: the back seat, looking at the review mirror and seeing 665 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: her crying and just bawling, and then not understanding what 666 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: was happening, and getting out and being walked up to 667 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: a lady that was going to take care of me, 668 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: like here you are take care of this kid for 669 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: us was pretty brutal, and I just remember it was 670 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: another moment where my grandmother just knelt down, hugged me, 671 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: said she was sorry, gets back into her car and 672 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: literally never looked back. She just drove away, and I 673 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: remember running after the car. He wasn't there that day. 674 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: He didn't go along to do that. It was just 675 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: my grandmother. 676 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 3: Oh, man, I have lots of thoughts, but I don't 677 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 3: want to talk about your grandparents. Yeah, God, how do 678 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,720 Speaker 3: you let a woman go through that alone? 679 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of dysfunction in my family over 680 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: the course of all this, you know, the father's side 681 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: blaming them, you know, the mother's side, and the mother's 682 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: side blaming the you know, all sorts of blame and. 683 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 3: Getting up and getting locked up in the middle of 684 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 3: everybody else's dysfunction. 685 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and so hey, let's put him in a home. 686 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 1: Hopefully he'll get adopted by a wonderful family and he'll 687 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: live a happily happy life. 688 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 3: And how did that work out? That didn't work out? 689 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: That did not work out. 690 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 3: And that concludes Part one of my conversation with Nate 691 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 3: Dean and Derek Deaner, And you don't want to miss 692 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 3: part two. It's now available to listen to together. Guys, 693 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 3: we can change this country, but it starts with you. 694 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 3: I'll see you in part two.