1 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Well, the MLB trade deadline, rub Mill has already started 2 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: heating up a little bit. We've got a rumor, a speculation, 3 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: a thought from Jim Boden of The Athletic on Foul 4 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Territories episode today on their show, mentioning that Emmanuel Class 5 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: looks to one be on the move. When asked, he 6 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: said that one of the names that he's hearing the 7 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: most right now is a Manual class. The Guardians feel 8 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: comfortable putting Kid Smith in the closer role. They feel 9 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: like this is a great time to sell high on 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Classe. And honestly, with the way that team hits, 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: in the way that the team's built, they're not really 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: gonna make any noise this year. So why not move 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: on from Emmanuel Class look to trade him. He's got 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: an unbelievable friendly contract. And he named three teams specifically 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: that he thinks have the best chance to go after 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Class A should be linked Emmanuel Class A, Mets, 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: Phillies and Tigers. And on top of that, he said 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: he thinks the Mets and the Phillies specifically have a 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: much better chance than the Tigers to land a Manual 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: Class A. So me and James figured we'll fire it up, 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: start talking about it. I know, James, you're coming in 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: a little bit different than me. I've kind of convinced 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: myself that I love this idea and then I'm totally 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: in on it. What about you? 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: And not that I don't like the idea. I think 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: the idea is sounds in solid because we've seen over 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: the last few years, and we're going to tell you 28 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: guys about that in a little bit, that big time 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: closers don't really often get traded for the biggest packages 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: you'll see and for this Mets bullpen getting guy a 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: class A who has the upside of being the best 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: closing league to pair with Edmund Dz and those two 33 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: guys work in tandem. 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: Like that's that's a great proposition. But I just still 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: don't I don't know. 36 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: I just don't see the Mets being the team that 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: bees are aggressive and goes and gets Emmanuel class A. 38 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: Like I see Jim Bowden saying that rumor just like 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: put something out there, rather than like the Mets are 40 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: connected to Manuel class A, Like this is different than 41 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: the rumors who get this time of the year. This 42 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: is a conception that makes sense not I've heard this thing. 43 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is fair. There is no true connection just 44 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: yet that the Mets have been in trade talks for 45 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: a manual class or that the Phillirees are anybody. But 46 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: I will say this, while I first saw the clip, 47 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: I was like, manual class is getting paid. There's no 48 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: way the Mets want to pay him, Edwin Diaz, aj Minter, 49 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: all these relievers. But then you look at what a 50 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: manual Class A is going to be owed over the 51 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: next few seasons. It's shockingly cheap. So next year six 52 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: point four million dollars, which is dirt dirt cheap for 53 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: the kind of closer reliever that he would end up 54 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: being for this roster, ridiculously cheap. And then there's team 55 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: options the next two seasons of ten million dollars apiece. 56 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: And while that would put him as one of the 57 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: more higher paid relievers on the market aav wise, it's 58 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: like inside the top twenty, which really is an epic 59 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: of a deal. The reason I think that the Mets 60 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: would be even more inclined is they just gave aj 61 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: Minter two for twenty two. So if you're trading for 62 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: a manual Class A, I know you have to give 63 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: a bassets, but you're essentially trading him and then signing him. 64 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: You're taking that contract for a three year What is 65 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: that twenty six million dollar deal? There might not be 66 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: better value in terms of what kind of production you 67 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: could get out of a reliever, a high end reliever, 68 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: than what you could get for Class A at that money. 69 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: One hundred percent dead on, But I still don't see 70 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: David cern as being the general manager to do this, 71 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: and I do think that it probably is more possible 72 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: than I thought when we first started talking about this afternoon, 73 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: and you kind of convinced me that it is not 74 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: in any way likely. 75 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: But plausible, which is cool. 76 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: It's amazing how cheap that contract is. The Guardians gave 77 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: that to Class A after twenty twenty one, his first 78 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: season with their team, when he took over the closer 79 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: roll midseason had a one point two nine RA. They 80 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: were like, here's a really cheap deal to buy out 81 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: your arbitration. You get guaranteed millions of dollars and twenty 82 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: million for two years right after arbitration's over. Not that 83 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: bad for a leverage similar one you just said, like 84 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: aj Minto, like, if you have a twenty three year 85 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: old manual Class A. You could be like, aeah, you 86 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: get the AJM inter money in five years and be like, yeah, 87 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: it's a great deal for me, and that makes it 88 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: even more valuable in the trade market though, Like the 89 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: only comparable closers that have been traded the last few 90 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: years just because of how good and how productive Class 91 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: A is were Edward Dias way back in twenty nineteen, 92 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: which is a different galaxy and really should never be 93 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: used as a cop because. 94 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Especially yeah, because we had an agent negotiating this trade, 95 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: and that agent had brain damage, so we'll not conclusive 96 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: allegedly allegedly has brain damage, but we also know that 97 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: bray Van Wagon in that Trade's like I'm getting Edwin 98 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: ds and Robinson Coundo. Can you believe it? I know 99 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: who those two baseball players are. That sounds great. He 100 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: was playing on on be the Show. 101 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: And the iron is when we talk about this, like 102 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: the bets one that trade at the end of the day, 103 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: so it all worked out in the end, which is great, 104 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: but then the other one's comparable for you in a 105 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: few years ago, so I don't even know how much 106 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: to pull with that is ironically, trade that David Stern's made, 107 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 2: but the reverse direction when he traded Josh Hayter at 108 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two I believe deadline to the San 109 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: Diego Padres for Robert Gosser, and there was another piece 110 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: in there. 111 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: It was one Robert Gasser, and it was I'm scrolling 112 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: down on his page because I didn't realize I scrolled 113 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: up on Josh Hayter's transactions. It was Robert Gasser, it 114 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: was de Neelson Lamett, it was Taylor Rogers and Stary Ruiz. 115 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: Okay, See, that's a funny one because that's like, that's 116 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: kind of like David Sara's being like, I know, I 117 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: can trade this year of Ruiz this offseason. Is somebody 118 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: I know, someone stupid, It's going to take him that 119 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: winds up being the piece that got them William Contreras 120 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: from from the from the Braves, from the A's back 121 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: in the day. But that is like, that's a situation 122 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: where if you get class at hey there for Robert 123 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: Cosser and then a bunch of other you know stuff, 124 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: the Mets can trade one of these double A pitching 125 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: prospects that we keep logging throwing so much credit on 126 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: and get a manual Class A and you don't really 127 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: wind up feeling that bad about it in two years. 128 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: Time for a team that has struggled so mightily with 129 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: the back end of the bullpen, doesn't it feel like 130 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: this is the time though, if you're David Stearns to 131 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: just kind of get rid of one of those pitching prospects, 132 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, as great as the strides that you've 133 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: made here, go do them for another organization. It's in 134 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: the American League. They're never going to hurt you playing 135 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: for the Guardians, so it's not like one of these 136 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: nightmare scenarios where like I traded him to this team 137 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: and then now he's pitching against this he dominates. I 138 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: don't know this. It feels like one of the moves 139 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: that they should be using what they've done and making 140 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: this farm system so deep, especially because like I see 141 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: it being, like we mentioned before off the podcast, like 142 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: a Jonathan Santucci, maybe a Will Watson, like that range 143 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: of minor league pitchers right now in this organization, and 144 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: then it's probably like a couple other just random little 145 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: players here and there right well, whether if it was 146 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: sproke or no deal, then I'm out. 147 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: Just the other thing about trading for Class A is 148 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: still giving up again, like these are going to be 149 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: guys that we think are like next year top one 150 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 2: hundred type of guys. 151 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: So like, for sure at least have the. 152 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: Range of home man, because it's range of outcomes guys 153 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: where you think they're going to be mid rotation starters. 154 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: And I think, I think, I think the best comp 155 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: like with this trade because again the Hater trade is 156 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: by far the best one that we're gonna be able 157 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: to comp out. I'll name out some other guys that 158 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: have been traded recently in terms of big closers and relievers, 159 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 2: but the Hater one's the most similar just because of 160 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: dominance and timing and being traded. But like Robert Gasser 161 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: was not a top one hundred prospect, Robert Gasser is 162 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: our Blade did Well. I think there's that's the comp 163 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: that we can give there, is that you be trading 164 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 2: like a Blade Tidwell prospect and then to Nelson Lamett 165 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: and Taylor Rodgers. Like Taylor Rodgers, I guess would just 166 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 2: be like a major league reliever kind of, I guess. 167 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: Some kind of. 168 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that was unique at the time because 169 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: the Brewers were in the playoff race. His Guardians team 170 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: will be okay with leaving the playoff race, So I 171 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: think they would take other further away, just prospects, just 172 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: to have more general prospects moving in the system. They 173 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: love middlelandfielders and outfielders swinging miss. We could definitely offer 174 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: a few of those each. 175 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: That'd be fine. So would you do like would you 176 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: do Blade? And like Marco Vargas, I guess maybe. 177 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: But I think my other problem with this Class A 178 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: trade not saying anything bad about class A the picture, 179 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: Like I think there was too much hubbub about him 180 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: earlier this season when he was giving up a lot 181 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: a lot of hits on like dribblers through that hole, 182 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: through this whole because last year this year were point 183 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: six to one ray and this year he blew like 184 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: three of his first five says. After blowing that save 185 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: in the playoffs, people like, oh my god, what's wrong 186 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: class A. He's still a great pitcher, He's still basically 187 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: a hitable. He's been un hitable since that little blip 188 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: towards the middle end of April. But I don't know 189 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: if i'd be pushing in chips even the same trade 190 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: market and a guy like class A who just is 191 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: not you know me, I like my reliever of his 192 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: strike people out that south where I'm at, Like, I 193 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: think I would rather give a little bit different of 194 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: a package for Griffin Jacks or give the same package 195 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 2: for you on Durant. 196 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: It's twins. Make those guys. 197 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: Available, Like I I want. I like Duran more than classics. 198 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: I just want. I want stuff I want. 199 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: I want breaking balls like I want strike swings and 200 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: misses class And as an amazing reliever as he is, 201 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: he still doesn't get those strikeouts that you always kind 202 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: of worry with a guy like him where not that 203 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: he will be bad or not that he will fall apart. 204 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: He's twenty seven, but it's it's just I think it's 205 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: more likely he goes through a cold stretch than those 206 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: other guys do. 207 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: Here here for Duran, especially James, James does not think 208 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: Mariano Rivera was that good of a reliever. Didn't get out. 209 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: It's very different. He's a unicorn. 210 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: Marion river is very different. Again, like Manas is not 211 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: Mario Rivera. How do you compare them? 212 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: But like, I mean, he pretty ridiculous here Classe dude, 213 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: he's got like a one eight e R. He's throwing 214 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: four No, it's amazing, thre hundred and fifty inings. At 215 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: some point, don't you just throw away the idea of 216 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: like I want the strikeouts because you've seen that much 217 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: of him and he has an under one whip. I understand, 218 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: Like if it was him or Duran, I think that's 219 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: a fair conversation. But that's what I'm saying. 220 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: If you're going in for a closer, twenty seven year 221 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: old closer both to twenty seven who's been around for 222 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: a decent amount of time, if they're both available, like 223 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: I'd rather give that package for Duran the same package 224 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: the Classe. 225 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: Truthfully, is that a hot take? Why is that hot take? 226 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: Classe is like the fucking best closer in baseball not 227 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: named Edwin Diaz. 228 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: I'm saying I think he's like, I think he has 229 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: like the allure of the best closer in baseball. But 230 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: I think that Duran I just see more explosive stuff 231 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: like you watch classic kind of get bodied the playoffs 232 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, he definitely did like things tighten up 233 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: on Emmanul class A because he doesn't have like a 234 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 2: true wif pitch, it's just colors and sliders over and 235 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: over again. 236 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: So it's like it's much easier. I don't know. 237 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: I feel like the cat and mouse game is different 238 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: with a guy like Emmanuel Classe when you're in those 239 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: moments and a guy like you're on Duran, Like I 240 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: think that's just it at the end of the day, 241 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: Like if I'm shoving in chips, I want a guy 242 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: who's like making like who's like, I don't know, like 243 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: your eyes pop out of your head when he pitches, 244 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: not the guy who just does a good piece of pitching. 245 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Classe is contract what whatyar did? I say? Ran 246 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: until because I'm also just like, it's two years after 247 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: the next one, so it's three more full years. So 248 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: he's through twenty twenty eight, I believe. And it's three 249 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: years for twenty six million. Okay. So another thing I 250 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: think to keep in mind too is that if you 251 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: were to trade for Emmanual class for the New York Mets, 252 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: you then also have a Manual Class A and you 253 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: have a team option on Edwin Didas for twenty million 254 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: dollars at age thirty four. That's a point and as 255 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: much as we love Edwin, and I'm really not trying 256 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: to make this an anti Edwin conversation, but I think 257 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: it is relative to what we're saying. There's a world 258 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: where the Mets just pick up the option for ammanual 259 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: Class A, have another elite closer again save ten million dollars. 260 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: Edwin dy As is a free agent at age thirty four. 261 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: David Seerns like, again, we love Edwin, but we know 262 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: that there's no world's there's no shot that he would 263 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: have ever signed Edwin dy As to the contract that 264 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: Billy Eppler did. And I can imagine if given the 265 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to pay Edwin y As twenty million dollars at 266 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: age thirty four, that David Sturns is realistically going to 267 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: pick up that option as long as he's still here. 268 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: And similarly, Joan Duran has two more years of cheap control, 269 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 2: two more years of arbitration, never signed extension. He made 270 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: four million dollars this year in arbitration, so you're probably 271 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: looking at a two year year deal for sixteen million 272 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: dollars for you on Duran seventeen million dollars a little 273 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: bit more. 274 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: Just because looking at Hater's numbers from when he was 275 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: in ARB with the Brewers and then we went to 276 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: the Padres. The last few years he was eleven mil 277 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: with the Brewers, fourteen mil then with the Padres, and 278 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: then he got the contract with the Astro. 279 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: So still probably a little bit more, a little bit 280 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: more volume. I would hate it did compared to duran 281 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: these last year. 282 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: It's probably it's probably, honestly, it's probably the exact same, 283 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: probably similar to two for twenty two for twenty similar 284 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: you get that. 285 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that point does make it. I 286 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: don't know this seepen a little bit, but I still 287 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: just I don't see that. I want to even bring 288 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: up the Tanner Scott trade for last year Souse. I 289 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: think that was also comparable. At the time he was 290 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: the best reliever in the market. I do think that 291 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: these increased prices for levers that we've seen, especially last year, 292 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: is kind of a weird symptom of the new playoff structure, 293 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: in the new trade deadline, where there's three sellers and 294 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: seventeen buyers, where it's just like now Tanner Scott becomes 295 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: one of the biggest impact players trade at the deadline, 296 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: he doubt gets a lot more back, and even the 297 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: lot more back for Tanner Scott still wasn't like an 298 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: overwhelming package. It was just like a depty package. It 299 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: was led by Robbie Snow, who I believes a former 300 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: first round pick who's like a big, athletic lefty college quarterback, 301 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: has got has gassed it up, not that consistent, but 302 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: the guy that like still a fun developmental project even 303 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: though he's in his early twenties. So it is him 304 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 2: Adam Mazer, who's just kind of been up and down, 305 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: like quadrupule a pitcher for the Marlin since that trade. 306 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: So he got a sly there, but he's probably like 307 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: they hope, he's a back end guy, Grand Paulie, who 308 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: I think is hit better of late, but even still, 309 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: like you just squint and I never really see Grand 310 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: Paulie being like a three win player in the season. 311 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: You could bring Grand Paulie in a room and say 312 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: that's Graham Paulie and I wouldn't be able to pick 313 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: him out of a line. Yeah great, And like Jay 314 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: be Best Shyeers, I don't know to say his name, sorry, Jays. Yeah, Shars. 315 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: He's infielder who I think I'm assuming is a younger guy, 316 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: because he was a twenty fifth ranked, twenty fourth rank 317 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: prospect in the Padre system this time last year. So again, 318 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: and that was also for two relievers Tas got in 319 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: Brian Howing. Brian Howing also being quite a good reliever, 320 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 2: so incontrollable. Yeah, So I think the big part of 321 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: this conversation is that it's this he's gatherable. It's not 322 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: like you have to trade crazy, huge prospects from Manual 323 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: class A. 324 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: That's what makes it interesting. But I still just don't 325 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: know if that's the value proposition the way the Mets. 326 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: I think the other part of this, and this will 327 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: kind of be the last part of the conversation here, 328 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: is that the Phillies are definitely gonna be all over 329 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: Emmanuel class A if he is actually truly available and 330 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: knowing Dave Dombrowski and knowing how he operates at the 331 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: trade deadline stuff that we talked about in the last episode, 332 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: he will he will go crazy. He'll be the one 333 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: where the gardens if you want to give us who 334 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: for him? You want to give up what like? And honestly, 335 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: if you're the Phillies or for the Mets, like this 336 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: this is a piece that does help you a lot. 337 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: I think it helps the Phillies, as crazy as it sounds, 338 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: a lot more than it does with the Mets because 339 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: they have much more physically no way to close games 340 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: right now. Gets to the nintht in there, like please, 341 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: Baseball Gods, help us with any power that you can. 342 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: Emmanuel class means a lot more to that team. In 343 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: that role. I could see Dave Debrowski doing something crazy 344 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: and being like, how about a top one hundred prospect 345 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: for him? Yeah, Like if the Mets we're offering like 346 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: Blade and someone else, and the Guardians are actually considering it, 347 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: which real know again is all this is all just 348 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: kind of thinking about comps and all this stuff. Like 349 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: if they just put mack Abele, they'd be like, yep, 350 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: done deal, sorry, mess, that's right, And they were like nope, 351 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: like all right, we got we're taking this guy. 352 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 2: So that's that's possible. I do think that is actually 353 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: the weird sublay of this whole thing is that. And 354 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 2: it's funny when you see Jim Baden like come out 355 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: of the rumor like these are the two teams I 356 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: think I have the best package put together. It's like, wow, 357 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: I wonder I wonder what the goal is here. Do 358 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: you want those teams to compete on the trade market 359 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: for this, for this picture. 360 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: I would be upset if he did go to the 361 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: Phillies though, Oh yeah, that you your son of a bitch. 362 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: You had to say those things about you prefer other guys. 363 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't have strikeouts, He's gonna start striking everybody out. 364 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: Well maybe, I mean this year has had times we 365 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: have struck more people out, But I just I don't know. 366 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: I'd like Duran over class That's fair. If I'm going 367 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: if I'm going to an inning against Duran verus class 368 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: I think I have. 369 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I have a better chance against Class A. 370 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, It's it's really hard to say either way 371 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: because they both throw one hundred, and they both the 372 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: pictures move different ways. Duran's got that demon sinker in 373 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: Class A's like I'm gonna throw an insane cutter that 374 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: you've never seen in your life before. Yeah. 375 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: Again, they both tremendous. Class A is I mean, I'm 376 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: not saying this is spiritual. I still things one of 377 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: the top five relievers closes in baseball top seven, like 378 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: I think he sometimes gets gets like the mantle of 379 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: number one undisputed. 380 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure if that's true. I still 381 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: think if it's again it's blade in like a younger prospect, 382 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: I would do it for sure. Lad to Marco Vargas 383 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: playing Marco Vargas, Santucci and somebody Santuci might be a 384 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: little reluctant to part ways with, but keeps him off 385 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: the fillies. Yeah. Yeah, It's one of those things where 386 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: as much as I like Santucci as a prospect, I 387 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: think for Emmanuel class am cool with taking the risks 388 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: that Jonathan Santucci is not ready and dominating in two seasons. 389 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe if he is, but I don't know, 390 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: if you need and he gets to be, like you said, 391 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: the ten million dollar cheaper Edmonds, he has replacement. But 392 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: which is kind of the interesting wrinkle. Well, again, both 393 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: of those guys could be that guy. I don't even 394 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: know if There'rean's available. I'm I'm just talking on my 395 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: ass right now. I'll try to hope he's available because 396 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: I like him so much as a picture. But we 397 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: now win our situation where we can actually make some 398 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: of these traits, Like, it's the difference from now in 399 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, where there was not one prospect and 400 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: system that anybody wanted, and now there's like fifteen twenty 401 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: and as much as Billyeppler fucked us was signing Edwin 402 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: didas to that contract. 403 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: And it's crazy. Shout out Billy Upper forgetting all these prospects, 404 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: and then shout out David Stearns for drafting well and 405 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: shout out everybody else for developing these guys like Chris 406 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: Gross and Eric Gegers in them. 407 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: It'd be funny if we could send them as part 408 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: of this deal Lacunya and they had to. They have 409 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: just like another middle infielder that I can't really hit 410 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: to go, like mix up there with Brian Rokyo, guess 411 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: traded to the Rockies in a few years, like Tyler Freeman. 412 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: That would be a fun rinkle. Why Breedos still down 413 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: triple I just sign me up all day. 414 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Luisa Helacuni and Santucci for manual class. 415 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: A yeah, why not? I literally same thing. I'll drive them. 416 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: I'll drive them from Cleveland. That's a short drive. That's 417 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: really not even that bad. Ay that was I could 418 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: do that in my sleep. I in the exact route yes, 419 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: Les's the South Carolina for me, but yeah, that's it. 420 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: We'd love to know what you guys think about this 421 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: trade rumor down the comments section below. Think the Mets 422 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: you go after Class A? 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