1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Three teens including brothers, behind 2 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: bars right now for homicide. Now, typically when I read 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: a headline that says teens boys two team mails behind 4 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: bars for murder for homicide, I think, oh, junior predators, 5 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: baby killers. They're going to even be worse when they 6 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: grow up. But believe it or not, these three teams 7 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: have nearly two hundred and fifty thousand signatures demanding they 8 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: be released from jail. Now, have you ever heard me 9 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: say I want a killer release from behind bars? Because 10 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't think I have ever said that before you 11 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: judge me. I want you to hear the whole story. 12 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: Why are three teen boys behind bars for homicide? I mean, 13 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: I see Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 14 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM 15 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to our 16 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: cut one our Franzy k r GV Channel five BO 17 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: homicide investigation underway in Far. That's a video from the 18 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: scene in McAllen yesterday. Far police say the body of 19 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: forty two year old Gabadee Kindania was dumped there after 20 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: he was killed eighteen year old Alejandro Trevino already in 21 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: custody in connection with Kintania's death. Charges against him pending. 22 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: Police now looking for seventeen year old Christian Santos. They're 23 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: also looking for a third guy believed to be driving 24 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: a red Dodge Charger. We're told the investigation stems from 25 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: a family situation. If you know where to find Santos 26 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: or have any other information related to this case, contact 27 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: for our crimestoppers at seven eighty seven eight four seven 28 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: seven with me an all star panel to make sense 29 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: of what we know right now. First of all, Katherine March, 30 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: Special Victims Liaison State Attorney's Office, joining us. You can 31 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: find her at right Response Consulting dot com. Karen start RightNow. 32 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: Psychologists joining us out of Manhattan, Karen start dot com. 33 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: Starting with A. C. Greg Scheffer, former Phoenix Police Department 34 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: detect twenty two years and specializing doctor Kendall Crowns with us, 35 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: the Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth, Texas 36 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: Lecturer University Texas and Texas A and M also faculty 37 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: University Texas Medical. And first let's go to Mark Reagan, 38 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: staff reporter, the Monitor that's in the Rio Grand Valley. 39 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: You can find him at my RGV dot com. Mark, 40 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Want to 41 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: start first of all with the discovery of forty two 42 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: year old Gabriel Kentonia. Tell me where was his body 43 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: found and in what condition? Mister Keithonio's body was found 44 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: by a farmer in a kind of a small agricultural 45 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: area on the southern part of McCallan. Which are you saying, McCallen, McCallen, McAllen, Yes, 46 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: go ahead, because I have Far Texas right. So McCallen 47 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: and Far are right next to each other. We're the 48 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: seventh largest county and in the state of Texas. And 49 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: hold on, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, Mark, Texas 50 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: is like its own country. God blessed Texas. Who doesn't 51 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: love Texas? Nobody that I know. So if you're telling 52 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: me McAllen and Far are the two biggest counties in Texas, 53 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: that must be pretty big. Tell me tell me about 54 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: We've got about a million people here, lots of international commerce. 55 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: And then we also are kind of surrounded by world 56 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: areas and in those royal areas are kind of on 57 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: the edges to the south and to the north, and 58 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: it's one of the in these world areas that they 59 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: found Kenthony his body hold. No, I want to get 60 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: back to McCallen and Far. Okay, when you say there's 61 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: a lot of international commerce, what do you mean by that? Exactly? 62 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: Chances are if you eat tomatoes, they go through Far 63 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: really produce, yes, car parks, stuff of that nature. Can 64 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: you keep talking because I don't know any of this. 65 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I know how to try a murder case. 66 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: I know how to talk about trajectory of bullets said, 67 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: bleeding out and the law felony murder. I know how 68 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: to crime same tape around the house, But I don't 69 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: know anything about what you're saying. So this dead body 70 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: is found out in a rural area. You said McCallan 71 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: on County. Is that what you said? No, McAllen is 72 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: a city in the county. Is he Dogbell County? Okay? 73 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the city of McCallen, Okay, city, 74 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: McCollen and in a rural area, correct, right, right? And 75 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: so the case first originated with that police department, Mark 76 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: Reagan with me from the Monitor and Rio Grand Valley. Mark, 77 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: that is a huge area there in Texas, huge rural 78 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: area like you just schooled me, if you eat a tomato, 79 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: it probably came through, uh McCallen. Where exactly in this 80 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: huge rural area was Gabriel can Tee his body found 81 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: on a small little plot of farmland south of the 82 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: city of McCallen. A small plot of farmland south of McCallen. 83 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: Was he buried? No, who's just laying there in front 84 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: of God and everybody just laying there in some tall griff, 85 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: laying in tall grass. I'm just curious. Did they look 86 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 1: for drag marks? Had he been dragged there? Dump there 87 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: were their car or tire tracks in tall grass? I mean, 88 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: you know what you're making me think of? Everybody? We 89 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: all went through the Karina Vatrono murder case, a long 90 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: old jogger case together, and in the journey oh, I 91 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: hate using that word, but in the journey finding her killer, 92 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: finding her body started with her dad, Phil Vatrono, out 93 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: looking for his daughter who went jogging without him. He's 94 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: supposed to go that day, and he saw one who's 95 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: praying to God to find his daughter. He saw one 96 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: blade of tall grass bent over, and he was told 97 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: to go that way. He went that way. He saw 98 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: another blade in another blade and he followed it and 99 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: he found his daughter's body. Mark Reagan, were there drag marks? 100 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: Do we know? I don't know if they were drag marks, 101 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: but they were definitely tire marks. Ah well, there you go. 102 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: He trumped me, you big foot of me. So there 103 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: were tire marks, which tells me, oh so much with me. 104 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: Greg Cheffer, former Phoenix Police Department to take to twenty 105 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: two years Greg, obviously that means the same with stage. 106 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: He was not killed there, he was taken there, and 107 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: his body was dumped there. Why why do you believe that? 108 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: If you do believe that, I think it does look 109 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: like they dumped the body or whoever dumped the body. 110 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: And obviously do you have to try to hide the 111 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: crime or hide the body, take it to a different 112 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: location and hopefully give them time to either get away 113 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: or to the body for a period of time. You know. 114 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: Also very curious, Katherine marsh They didn't bother it to 115 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: bury the body if they wanted it hidden, but they 116 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: dumped it. What does that tell you about the killer? 117 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: They were probably inexperienced and didn't have a lot of 118 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: prior time of destroying evidence or anything like that. It 119 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: could also show that it may have been pretty spontaneous 120 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: or pretty quick because it was just a dump, you know, 121 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: Karen's dark the staging of a scene, the hiding of 122 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: a body. You and I have talked many many times, 123 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: all the way back to court TV and would set. 124 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: You and I would sit on a dark set talking 125 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: about the trial as it unfolded in front of us. 126 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: Staging the scene means something very significant, and staging could 127 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: be as simple as moving the body. It could be 128 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: as simple as putting a blanket over the face. I've 129 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: talked about a case where mother was found naked in 130 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: her bedroom and the killer had put ad put a 131 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: weaker trash basket over the mom's head. I mean, we 132 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: see all sorts of staging, staging to make a murder 133 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: look like a suicide. But what does staging tell you 134 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: about the identity of the killer? Karen Stark? Well, it 135 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: tells you how the killer feels about the victim. You know, 136 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: for instance, the examples you were giving Nancy. When someone's 137 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: face is being covered, then you assume that there was 138 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: concern about them being taken care of to some extent, 139 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: as absurd as that may sound. And when I think 140 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: about this particular example, there is no staging. They just 141 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: dumb him and leave him. And that tells me that 142 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: they could care less that here's a person that they disregard, 143 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: feel like he's trashed, Let him just be there, and 144 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: they're fine with that. Angry you're saying that very often 145 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: seen your stage because the killer cares about the victim. 146 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: In this case, I don't think they cared about the 147 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: victim at all. They dumped him out in a rural area, 148 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: hoping nobody would ever find his body. What do you 149 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: make of that? I agree, that's exactly what I'm saying. 150 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: The fact that they just dubbed him and made no 151 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: attempt to cover him up or even to a hide 152 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: their crime tells me that they were enraged. Furious crime 153 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, Mark Reagan joining us from the 154 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: Monitor there in the Rio Grand Valley. You can find 155 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: him at Monitor News. Hey, Mark, could you tell me 156 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: about the cod cause of death? The cause of death 157 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: is blunt force trauma. Okay, that takes them doing doctor 158 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns. It's not always like you see in the movies. 159 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: One walk to the back of the head, the person 160 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: kills over dead. Very often you find the victim of 161 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: blunt force trauma death beaten from head to toe. Explain 162 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: what it takes to kill somebody with blunt force trauma 163 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: as in this case. Well, so when you're using blunt 164 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: force trauma and just using your fists and not a 165 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: bat or a board or something like that, you have 166 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: to hit the individual numerous times to try and cause 167 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: enough damage to kill them. Sometimes you can punch them 168 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: in the face and they fall back and they break 169 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: their skull on the sidewalk. But if that doesn't happen, 170 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: you just have to continually hit them until you're causing 171 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: enough injury internally generally in the neck or the skull 172 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: region that it causes injury to the brain or vital 173 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: structures in the neck until they die. Also, you can 174 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: hit an individual in the abdomen as well and cause 175 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: the rupture of deliver intestines. But again that takes a 176 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: fair amount of forest and a lot of repetitive hitting. So, 177 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: Mark Reagan, what a police do when they find Gabriel 178 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: Continia there on this isolated farm and you said it 179 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: was a small family farm plot to whom did the 180 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: plot belong or do we know that yet? Oh, we 181 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: don't know We don't know who it belonged to. These 182 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: little splatches of farmland are pretty pretty common in the area. So, 183 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: Martin Reagan, did anyone live on the plot? Was their home? There? No, No, 184 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: nobody lived there. Nobody lived there. What about any video surveillance? 185 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: I guess in that area, very rural area, the closest 186 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: thing you'd have to any video surveillance is going to 187 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: be maybe maybe, and probably not a red light cam. Well, 188 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: actually you'd be surprised. It is rural, but it's right 189 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: up next to an urban area as you get down 190 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: close to the border, and being the nature of the border, 191 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: there are cameras everywhere. But they were able to obtain 192 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: that video surveillance. Why are three teams behind bars for 193 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: the homicide of this man, a forty two year old 194 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: Gabriel Kintania. They have just appeared for their first appearance 195 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: and now as a story unfolds, take a listen now 196 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: to far Police Chief Andy Harvey. The second part of this, 197 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: and I want to make sure it's clear, is that 198 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: there's some questions about why is it a capital murder 199 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: where versus just a murder? And it's a capital murder 200 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: because Kintania was kidnapped right when he was taken in 201 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: in the back of the everyone fifteen dropped off somewhere else. 202 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: So he was kidnapped, and then at the scene where 203 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: they dropped him off, the thinking that the Vinos they 204 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: got some property, that they removed some property or still 205 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: some property from Anthea. So that makes it a capital murder. 206 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: So I understand what they're saying to you, Katherine marsh 207 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: is that it is a capital murder because it was 208 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: what in conjunction with another felonies such as kidnapper, robbery. 209 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: That's right, So in Texas you can have a capital 210 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: murder crime when you have an intentional killing that goes 211 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: along with either a kidnapping or a robbery. And as 212 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: we heard from the police chief, he's saying, we've got 213 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: the elements here of a kidnapping, taking him from one 214 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: location to the other the field where he was found, 215 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: and then also some of his personal property was removed. 216 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: Mark Reagan, I'm very curious what is the property that 217 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: was stolen, because that makes it sounds sound like the 218 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: three the two brothers and the friend were after the 219 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: alleged victim, Gabriel Quarantania, to rob him the item. The 220 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: piece of property that was stolen was actually very personal. 221 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: It was a watch. I believe it was a gold 222 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: watch that Christian gave his stepfather for a birthday or 223 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: a Christmas. And the last thing Christian does after dumping 224 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: his stepdad in the field is he takes that watch back. 225 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: And that's the piece of property that was stolen. What 226 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: does that tell you, Karen Stark, so symbolist, Nancy, I mean, 227 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: if you think about what we're talking about with them 228 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: just dumping the body, he's staying absolutely made a mistake 229 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: in giving you this watch. You don't deserve anything, and 230 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm taking no one else. It tells me, Karen Stark. 231 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: It tells me that at some point this teen boy 232 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: has now just turned seventeen, cared about the stepfather, Gabriel 233 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: Kintania enough for a young boy who doesn't have much 234 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: to get the money to buy the stepfather a gold watch. 235 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: And then, I mean, when you have a breakup or 236 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: something like that, Karen Starr, you want I want my 237 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: stuff back. You want your stuff back because it means 238 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: something because you were, let's just say, in love and 239 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: you feel betrayed and you want your stuff back to me. 240 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: I can just see this teen boy taking that gold 241 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: watch that he had given his stepfather back after he 242 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: had beat him so badly, because at one time he 243 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: cared for the stepfather. That's the picture that is so clear, Nancy. 244 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: That betrayal is the word you use that comes to mind. 245 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: That he loved him and cared about him and got 246 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: a gold not just a regular watch, but a gold watch, 247 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: and was so hurt, betrayed, angry that he grabbed that back. 248 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: He made sure after killing him he took the time 249 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: to take that watch. We're finding out more about how 250 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: the murder unfold. To take a listen to it for 251 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: a police chief Andy Harvey cut Ten. They found him 252 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: on veteran's road walking and so a third assault happened. 253 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: So this continues and it's the third time that they meet. 254 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: Well of what we learned now that during the second assault, 255 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: I believe Christian had some brass knuckles, so brass knuckles 256 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: were using these assaults. So they continued to assault Kania, 257 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: and this time they severely beat him to the point 258 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: where he's either unconscious or close to it. They then 259 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: decided to pick him up, kidnap him, put him in 260 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: back of the F one fifty in the bed and 261 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: drive off to somewhere in South McCallen. He was dropped 262 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: off somewhere in the Whalen McCall area. That's where the 263 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: McCallan Police Department was called and that's where they found 264 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: him later that day. We understand that he was unconscious 265 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: but breathing at the time, but nonetheless, Dania died there 266 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: at the open field. M You know, I haven't seen 267 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people crying over this murder. Think about 268 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: it a murder with the use of brass knuckles. So 269 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: why am nearly two hundred and fifty thousand people joined 270 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: together to get these tangs out from behind bars? Because 271 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: to doctor Kinnall, Crown's chief medical examer joining us out 272 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: of Tarrant County, that's for worth explain what brass knuckles 273 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: do and why that's different from punching somebody with your fist. 274 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: So what brass knuckles are is they go over your 275 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: fingers and they are standardly metal. They can be shaped 276 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: in a way that they can have edges or even 277 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: points on them. And what they make you're punching more efficient, 278 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: So they cause more tissue damage with each punch because 279 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: the metal can cause more damage. And then again, if 280 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: they're shaped, it can also cause prying or punctures or 281 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: things like that. So breast knuckles make your punches better 282 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: or harder. Doctor Kennel Crown spoken like a true MD, 283 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: a medical doctor, a medical examer. Greg Shepherd break it 284 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: down for me. What do brass knuckles do? Because great damage. 285 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: It's gonna increase your damage. You punch somebody in the 286 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: face with brass knuckles, it's gonna be lights out. And 287 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: if you hit them multiple times, you could crush the skull, 288 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: cause hamdwrhaging to the brain. And also it protects the hand. 289 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't cause the person using them. They don't worry 290 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: about breaking their knuckles when they're breaking the face vastating. 291 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: It's devastating to whoever is taking those punches. So why 292 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: again a quarter million people or what these out from 293 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: behind bars? Take a listen to our cut two Carena 294 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: Vargas CBS four. Three teens were charged today for the 295 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: murder of a forty three year old man. We first 296 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: brought you this story Thursday when far police were searching 297 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: for suspects after the death of Gabriel Quintanilla, and then 298 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: on Friday, investigators linked three teens you can see on 299 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: your screen. On the left is seventeen year old Christian Trevigno, 300 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: in the center eighteen year old Alejandro Travigno, and on 301 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: the right is nineteen year old Juan Eduardo Melendez. Titania 302 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: was found in a McCallen fields and police say that 303 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: several fights broke out at different locations after Gintania was 304 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: accused of touching his nine year old daughter, who was 305 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: also the half sibling two brothers. Kitania was left in 306 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: a field severely beaten. Investigation reviewed that the victim was 307 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: heard beaten with the brass knuckles and suffered severe hittram. 308 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: At that point all of the victim was ever written beaten. 309 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: The victim he has still have been alive when he 310 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: was there, and McCallan, we don't know for how long 311 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: has been set at five hundred thousand dollars for all suspects. 312 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace straight out to Mark Reagan 313 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: joining us from the monitor. So bottom line, these three teams, 314 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: two of them brothers, were convinced the stepfather of Gabriel 315 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: Kingtania had been molesting the nine year old little sister. 316 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: Is that right, Oh, yeah, that's that's right. On that day, 317 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: the child had made an outcry to the mother, and 318 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: the and the and the boys found out about him. 319 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: But that's just part of the story. Take a listen 320 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: to our cuts six again. For Police Chief Andy Harvey, 321 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: this warrant was for a separate offense, not the nine 322 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: year old. We were not aware and we were not 323 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: aware of any history. Mark Reagan, another child molestation victim. 324 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: There's a warrant for a separate offense. What that's correct? 325 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: And we know very little about the details of that warrant. Well, 326 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: what do you know what the warrant was for, Yes, 327 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: continuous sexual abuse of a child, and not this nine 328 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: year old little girl, a different little girls, nine year 329 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: old girl. Can I just ask, theoretically, what was he 330 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: doing out and in the home with a nine year 331 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: old little girl? Why was he there? Shouldn't that be 332 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: have been a condition for if you got a warrant 333 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: for you, I mean, why was he allowed to be 334 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: in the home with a nine year old girl. It's 335 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: really hard for me to understand why the girl's mother 336 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: would let him in the home unless she didn't know 337 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: about it. Those are just a few questions running through 338 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: my mind. Let's take a listen to cut six again 339 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: the police Chief Andy Harvey, start from the top. Police, 340 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: this warrant was for a separate offense, not the nine 341 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: year old. We were not aware and we were not 342 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: aware of any history between Kinthania and his nine year 343 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: old girl, which allegedly happened on Wednesday night. So we 344 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: just don't know we have enough information about that because 345 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: that's still an ongoing investigation. So those are two separate incidents. 346 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: We had not heard from Kentthania. Obviously, he's been running 347 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: from us and we didn't know of him until he 348 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: was found deceased in McCallan and ongoing investigation and other words, 349 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: this guy's walking free after he's accused molesting one little girl. 350 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: He's walking free because of an ongoing investigation. They don't 351 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: even know where he is. Take a listen to our 352 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: cut number four kr gvs. Monica Danda. That warrant for 353 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: gay rookie Danija for continuous sexual abuse of a child 354 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: was from another incident and that involved another minor, not 355 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: the miner currently involved in this case. We're also learning 356 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: tonight the mother of the Travino brothers may face charges 357 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: the detectives went out to look for Kintania at that 358 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: time and we're unable to find him. They searched, they 359 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: went to his last known residence. They went to his 360 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: mother's residence multiple times. Far police first learned about gay 361 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: rookie Danija in twenty nineteen when a miner claimed King 362 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: Danija sexually assaulted her between twenty fourteen and twenty sixteen. 363 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: He was being elusive, obviously and hiding from US Chief 364 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: Harvey telling us King Danija's name was then entered in 365 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: a national database and he'd been on the run ever since. 366 00:24:54,560 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: So the ongoing three years of child lest unelas station 367 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: alleged going back to two thousand and sixteen. There was 368 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: a warrant taken out in two thousand nineteen. Now you 369 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: know what straight back out to you, Mark Reagan, I'm 370 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: just ad JD a jurors doctorate. I'm not good at math. 371 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: But let's see two thousand nineteen, two thousand and twenty, 372 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty one, two thousand and twenty two. 373 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: There's been an ongoing investigation for four years on the 374 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: lestation that started back in two thousand and sixteen. Are 375 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: my numbers correct? Mark? Your numbers are correct, But from 376 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen to twenty two, it's been find the fugitive, 377 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, find the fugitive. Well, did he live there? 378 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: Did he live in either mccallend or Far? From what 379 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: I understand, he lived in Far And what's the population 380 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: of Far Texas? Oh? You know, it's it's best just 381 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: to lunk the whole area. And it's about it. It's 382 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: about a million people grows into each other. This guy's 383 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: living right under their noses and they couldn't find him, 384 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: so he's out walking free, so he can molest another 385 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: little girl that we know of. I mean Karen Stark, 386 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: our friendly shrink from Manhattan, Karen Stark, How many times 387 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: have we talked about the fact that once somebody's caught molesta, 388 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: it's like doui. Once you catch a DOUI, they have 389 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: already driven drunk. I've forgotten how many, a hundred x 390 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: times they've already driven drunk. Same thing with child molestation, 391 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: once you catch one, they've already molested what seventy times 392 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: and they've never been caught? Is that the right number? 393 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: I would say, so, Nancy Dave. They have been doing 394 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: this for many, many years, they can't stop it. I'm 395 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: so mad right now, I could chew a nail and 396 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: half Karen Stark. When children aren't molested, they go on. 397 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: From the outside looking in, it seems like they're having 398 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: a normal life. They're not. What are some of the 399 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: side of it's a child molestation on the victim, But 400 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: it influences everything, Nancy. They're not able to perform well 401 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: in school. Sometime it's trauma, so they can't sleep at night. 402 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: They relive the incident. They don't feel comfortable around adults 403 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: or people in general. Sometimes they develop a lot of phobias. 404 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: It's a terrible, terrible thing, as you know, to do 405 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: that to a child. Their life is never the same, 406 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: that feeling of helplessness. To Greg Sheffer, former Phoenix PD 407 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: detective twenty two years specializing and child sex exploitation crimes 408 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: against children, jump in, Greg, this is not a tea 409 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: party over at high Growth, all right. We're talking about 410 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: a child molester that has now been murdered. The sons 411 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: had to take the law into their own hands. Well, 412 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: when I heard about it, it sounds like they walked 413 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: that warrant through, so I don't think he was ever 414 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: in custody for that prior Explain what you just said 415 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: walking through, Well, it sounds like they never arrested him 416 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: for that prior case, but they wanted to, and then 417 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: he was in the wind, and so they walked that 418 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: warrant through, which means they went through either a grand 419 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: jury to get an indictment so they could get a 420 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: warrant to issue it and put it in the system 421 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: so they could try to pick him up. So I 422 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: don't know the details of that prior case, but obviously 423 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: it was extensive. It was a two year crime of 424 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: continuous sexual abuse. And obviously, if he lived in that town, 425 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 1: his family knew about that as well, so that that 426 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: was not a secret crime. I'm sure mom knew about it, 427 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: and anybody associated with knew about that. But then when 428 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: he did the repeat and he actually harmed someone closer 429 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: to home, I think that's what enraged the brothers. Okay, 430 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on a limb here, Katherine Mars. Just 431 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 1: based on what we know right now, if there had 432 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: been ongoing sex molestation in the last case where he 433 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: was walking free, that tells me ongoing a couple of 434 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: years at least, a molesting a little girl, he had 435 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: access to her like a parent, a stepfather and uncle, 436 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: a piano teacher, something like that, where he had access 437 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: to a child alone. Now doesn't that sound a lot 438 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: like a similar transaction to you, because here you got 439 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: a nine year old girl allegedly being molested by Gabriel Kintania. 440 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: Same thing abolutely second sabs the first? How long how 441 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: loudly do we have to sing? This is a man 442 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: who has been in a position of trust and care 443 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: for at least two young people that we know, he 444 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: abused that trust and sexually molested them. And what we 445 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: know is there was enough evidence for the first incident 446 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: that the court or a commissioner from probable cause for 447 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: that crime and issued a warrant. And the real travesty 448 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: is from two thousand and nineteen, that warrant was not 449 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: served and this little nine year old girl was also molested. 450 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: And I bet you bottom dollar other girls were molested 451 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: as well. Guys, take a listen to our cut five 452 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: from KRGV. Police have arrested three teens, including Kindanija's stepsons, 453 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: Alejandro and Christian Trevigno, and a third male, Mediz. According 454 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: to police, they beat Kindanija after hearing he had allegedly 455 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: sexually abused another miner who was also a family member. 456 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 1: Now two of the teams facing capital murder charges. Capital 457 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: murder because Kintania was kidnapped right when there. He was 458 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: taken in in the back of the fifteen off somewhere else. 459 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: So he was kidnapped and then at the scene where 460 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: they dropped him off the thinking that the Dravinos they 461 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: got some property, that they removed some property or still 462 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: some property from Anthenia. We also asked Chief Harvey if 463 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: there's a possibility the boy's mother could face charges. That's 464 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,479 Speaker 1: still all part of this open investigation. That is certainly 465 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: a question that we had whether or not why we 466 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: weren't notified and that kind of thing. So there's more 467 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: questions out there, and that's something that we're still looking 468 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: into crime stories with Nancy Grace. Mark Reagan is joining 469 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: me for a reporter with the Monitor. Mark, why would 470 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: the teen boys mother be arrested? What's the reasoning there? 471 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: If she knew that King Tania had diswarned and she 472 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: didn't turn him in, that would be hindering apprehension or prosecution. 473 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, the law would expect her to turn 474 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: in her own husband. Yes, okay, that's probably not going 475 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: to happen. But what I'm more concerned about, Mark Reagan, 476 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: And of course you're absolutely right. But what I'm more 477 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: concerned about if the mom knew about the alleged prior 478 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: sex melitation molestation they went on for allegedly years on 479 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: another little girl, why would she have him around the 480 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: nine year old daughter and Mark Reagan also the nine 481 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: year old alleged child molestation victim at the hands of 482 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: now dead Gabriel Kittania. That's her daughter, right, that's correct. 483 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: And her half brothers, her stepbrothers, are Christian and alanro correct, 484 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: that's right. So from what I understand, the little girl 485 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: admits that the dad, Gabriel Kingtania is molesting her, and 486 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: the boys go and they go look for him, and 487 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: they find him, right, that's right, and they kill him. Right, 488 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: that's right, they kill him. I think one thing you 489 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: can note though, is Alejandro owing participated in the first meeting, 490 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: then Christian and his friend one go track him down 491 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: the second time, then the third time. Take al us 492 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: to our cut three k RGV. The three teens on 493 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: your screen now arraigned for the murder of a man 494 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: in McCallen. Our police say the trio severely beat forty 495 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: two year old Gabriel king Dania and dumped his body 496 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: in a McCallen field. We first told you about this 497 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: story on Thursday when police discovered the body. Officials tell 498 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: us the incident started when a child alerted someone that 499 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: king Dania had touched them inappropriately. After the teens confronted Kinthania, 500 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: a fight broke out and continued at several locations before 501 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: he was dumped in McCallen. Police believe kingth Dania may 502 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: have been alive when he was dropped off. Keithania was 503 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: already wanted by police for ongoing abuse of a child. 504 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: All three teams have been charged with aggravated assault and 505 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: engaging it in criminal activity. Christian Travino and one and 506 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: Guado Melendez also charged with capital murder and a lot 507 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: of questions are we're finding answers to them. Now take 508 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eight police chief again. February 509 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: twenty first, our detectives met with Alejandro, the eighteen year old, 510 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: and he talked about a fight that took place at 511 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: twelve to one piece more trailer. It's a trailer Part 512 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: one forty involving Alejandro and Christian his brother and what 513 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: they have. What they heard was to be an alleged 514 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: touched by their stepdad, King Dania with their sister nine 515 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: year old sister. They learned that their stepdad had inappropriately 516 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: touched her his nine year old, which is their stepsister, 517 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: half half sister. Which is also important to note that 518 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: the nine year old that was the victim, this is 519 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: her biological dad. Ktany has her biological father. It has 520 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: a lot of different legs here, So I'm trying to 521 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: keep everybody kind of up to date here. So here's 522 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: a guy that's been charged with child molestation on a 523 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: little girl before. I would wager somebody he's related to, 524 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: because he had access to the child to molest them 525 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: over a period of years. Nobody stopped him. Get a 526 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: warrant on him. It gets walked through. In other words, 527 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: they they get the warrant, he's charged, and then he's 528 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: As was said earlier in the Wind on the Loose, 529 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: cops don't do their job. They don't find him until 530 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: he turns up half dead out in a field. Because 531 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: they didn't do their job, he's free to molest again. 532 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: This little girl that we know of how many others 533 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: don't know. Now, I'm not suggesting police are responsible for 534 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: the death, the homicide, but I am saying they dropped 535 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: the ball and didn't put this guy behind bars. Of course, 536 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: on the other hand, Mark Reagan, you and I were 537 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: talking off camera about jail crowding, and it was my 538 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: belief that in Texas they don't just let you out 539 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: because the jail is crowded. But am I wrong? You know, 540 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: they don't just let you out because the jail is 541 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: overcrowded in like they do in New York City and 542 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: City of Atlanta and many other big jurisdictions. They just here, 543 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: give me your fingerprint, boo. You know in New York 544 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: they were actually then giving arrestes gift cards. Mark Reagan, 545 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: you know that right in New York City, Deblasia was 546 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: handing out gift cards to people after they got I'm 547 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: not aware of that. Yeah, well now you are. M hmm. 548 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: It's like you get a prize for getting arrested. Mark 549 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: Reagan joining me from the monitor at Rio Grand Valley. Mark, 550 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: they fight, let me say, went to multiple locations. Tell 551 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: me about that. I'm sure it was kind of They 552 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: caught him outside the initial apartment complex. They beat him, 553 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: he ran away on foot, They tracked him down, they 554 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: beat him again. He was able to get away one 555 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: more time, and then they went and they found him 556 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: a final time and he didn't get away that time. 557 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: What is the mother saying about all of this, Mark 558 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: Reagan right now? Nothing publicly. All they've been saying is 559 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: we need we need money to get a lawyer, a 560 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: lawyer for the three boys, the teams for their boys. 561 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: That's right. This is what we are learning about the 562 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: way that the homicide unfold. To take us to our 563 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: cut nine is the police chief Andy Harvey. Again, this 564 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: is what happened. They found out about this. There was 565 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: a fight that ensued there inside the trailer between the 566 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: two brothers and their stepdad. There was a fight stepdad. 567 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: Kintania leaves the trailer. He walks out, and shortly right 568 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: down the road, Christian that the older brother leaves, catches 569 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 1: up to Quintania and there's a fight that ensues. Well 570 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: around the same time, Christian and Juan Melendez, the friend, 571 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: catch up to them. They get involved in the fight 572 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: and so there's three against one. So the second assault 573 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: happened right down the road on More. A few minutes later, 574 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: they leave him there. He's beaten up, but he's still 575 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 1: conscious and walking. The three leaves drop off Alejandro, I 576 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: get the house. They go to Juan's house, pick up 577 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: a different car. They picked up a white fe fifty, 578 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: and they decide to go back and look for King 579 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: Dania to see if they can find him again. Well, 580 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be the first time that vigilante justice was 581 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: carried out. Take a listen now to our cut eighteen 582 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: from ABC. A frantic father called nine one after finding 583 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: a farmhand, he sues Flores allegedly sexually assaulting his little girl. 584 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: The Lavaca County District Attorney's office released the dramatic call. Okay, 585 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm glad the guy who in that case, the defendant 586 00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 1: who attacked his daughter's molester, was let free. So explain 587 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: to me right now. Straight back out to our friend 588 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: Mark Reagan from the Monitor in Rio Grand Valley, where 589 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: does the case stand now? You've got at least a 590 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: two time sex offender on children allegedly walking free, and 591 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,439 Speaker 1: the brothers of the little girl find him and beat 592 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,919 Speaker 1: him and he dies. They're the ones behind bars. Where 593 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: does the case stand right now, Mark, Well, right now, 594 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: what's probably happening is that the boys are going to 595 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: get I'm sure they're going to get quarter pointed attorneys, 596 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: and those attorneys are likely going to file what's called 597 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: a rid of habeas court is basically a bond reduction, 598 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: and they'll get they'll probably get where the attorneys, you know, 599 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: they'll make several arguments, you know, bail can't be used 600 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: as punishment safety for the community, and they'll hash it 601 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: out and try to try to get these bonds reduced 602 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: for these young men. And then simultaneously, the police department 603 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: is I'm sure is continuing to investigate and working with 604 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: parsecutors in the DA's office to build an indictment to 605 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: eventually predict to a grand jury. If you want to 606 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: help in any way or find out more, go to 607 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: change dot org Justice for Alhandro, Christian and Juan. Repeat, 608 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: Change dot org Justice for Alahandro, Christian and Juan. If 609 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: you know of someone that is being sex assaulted, don't 610 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: just stand by and do nothing. If you need help yourself, 611 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: toll free eight hundred six five six four six seven 612 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: three repeat eight hundred six five six four six seven 613 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: three let justice be done, Goodbye friend,