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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Kramer, you didn't go to college? Sure didn't, thanks, friend?

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Speaker 3: Is that the opening for you?

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Speaker 2: I actually did, but it was like, literally I said

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Speaker 2: I had to go to the bathroom and I never

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Speaker 2: came back.

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Speaker 3: That's incredible. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean I.

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Speaker 3: It was a community college.

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Speaker 2: And again, so it's like I always say I didn't

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Speaker 2: go because I really didn't, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like I did go, and then I did like a

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Speaker 2: half of an acting class, I did the psychology class,

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Speaker 2: and I was sitting there, I'm like, can I go

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Speaker 2: to the bathroom? And I literally, I mean that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I have such memory loss from so many years of

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Speaker 2: my life. But all I know is that I didn't

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Speaker 2: stay longer than a month. So it's like when people

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Speaker 2: are like, jee to college. No, I didn't go to college.

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Speaker 2: It's not college. Yeah, I think it's well one month

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Speaker 2: of you know, I mean I might have maybe it

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Speaker 2: was even like two of the I think I maybe

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Speaker 2: went to like two classes and I was like this

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Speaker 2: ain't for me. Pece out. Yeah, I just did it

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Speaker 2: because I thought I was supposed to. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: well that's why you know, while this generation coming up,

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Speaker 2: it's like, if you're not, this is.

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Speaker 3: Really bad advice.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not.

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Speaker 2: Actually think if you're not, if you're not going to

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Speaker 2: be a doctor or a you know, math, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: like if it's a doctor or a lawyer, it's like

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Speaker 2: do you really need It's like there's like if you

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Speaker 2: don't need the degree. Most people that I know have

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Speaker 2: just so much money in debt with colleges. They're not

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Speaker 2: using it at all. Like if you need it for

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Speaker 2: a certain job, to have your masters and something, then

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Speaker 2: one thousand percent go. But like besides that, even Joli,

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Speaker 2: it's like, well I'm not going to go because I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna do X Y, and like a good you don't

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Speaker 2: go for a girl. We didn't make a college fadream

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Speaker 2: we made for our kids. They don't have college funds.

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Speaker 2: They have whatever that is that allows them to just

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Speaker 2: tap into this resource to use it for whatever they

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Speaker 2: want to do.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's like, what do you want to do and then

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Speaker 2: let's choose the best avenue to get to where you

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Speaker 2: want to go. Well, it's kind of wild for us

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Speaker 2: to be deciding what we want to spend all of

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Speaker 2: this money and time studying at eighteen, Right, that's crazy,

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Speaker 2: I know, but.

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Speaker 1: I did do it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do it as sorority, which I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I could do, but I did do it. Alpha

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Speaker 2: Zy Delta, What was the craziest thing you did? Initiation?

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Speaker 2: See that part just gives me like, no, And what

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Speaker 2: was wild is I came in with this really exceptional

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Speaker 2: group of humans and I'm still those are still my humans.

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Speaker 2: So it's like we were friends before sorority, and we

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Speaker 2: were also the ones that could look across the room

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Speaker 2: at each other when these things were going on and

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Speaker 2: being like they're kidding us, right, like yeah, because it

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Speaker 2: was everybody's like life and air and it was not mine.

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Speaker 2: I had to work through college, so I missed Teddy

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Speaker 2: Bear Pass and I didn't have a parking spot behind

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Speaker 2: the house because I didn't have enough merit points because

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Speaker 2: I couldn't make it to enough events because I was

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Speaker 2: working five jobs. You know, it was like a little bittersweet,

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Speaker 2: but the memories are great, the experience is awesome. It

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Speaker 2: was not as intense as it is now and not

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Speaker 2: as intense as it is in the South, and it

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Speaker 2: was eastern Michigan you know, so it was I think

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Speaker 2: if I wanted to do it, I'd want to be

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Speaker 2: like the uh which I MC call it the hed

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Speaker 2: hesitant president, Like I want to be the president. You'd

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Speaker 2: make a good president things, Yeah, but probably not, No,

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Speaker 2: you would. But it is familiar of sororities. She was

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Speaker 2: on the Bachelor, but now she's got a podcast about sororities.

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Speaker 2: So let's get her on and chat all about it. Hey.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Jana Kristen.

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Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, guys.

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Speaker 3: Daisy. How old are you?

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Speaker 1: I am twenty six?

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Speaker 2: I was like, gosh, twenty six. I was like, because

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Speaker 2: she's just said that youthful collagen energy. What is your

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Speaker 2: favorite thing about being twenty six and your least favorite thing?

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Speaker 4: So my favorite thing is that I feel like I'm

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Speaker 4: adult team, but that's probably my least favorite thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like fun but also.

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Speaker 2: Not Daisy, You've done a lot at twenty six. I

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Speaker 2: think it's exciting because you were on the Bachelor, Yeah, Bachelorette, Bachelor,

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Speaker 2: yea bachelor, And I think anybody that does the reality

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Speaker 2: does reality TV in their twenties is the unsung hero.

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Speaker 3: And I also.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that you didn't stay doing reality TV?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like you don't know what you're getting

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Speaker 4: yourself into until you like do it and then you're.

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Speaker 2: Like whoa, And did you go on the show to

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Speaker 2: be to actually find love? Was it to get to

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Speaker 2: jump into because I feel like a lot of influencers

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Speaker 2: are not sorry, I should say a lot of reality

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Speaker 2: people that go on those shows end up being then

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Speaker 2: influencers or doing other things. Was it to truly find

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Speaker 2: an influencer and do this and do do you know

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Speaker 2: now a podcast? So what was it for you that

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Speaker 2: was your The main drive?

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Speaker 1: Definitely to like fine love.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I would have done it if I

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Speaker 4: wasn't like trying to find somebody, honestly. But also I had,

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Speaker 4: like I had like a really life changing year, like

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Speaker 4: kind of like, Okay, this is happening, like it must

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Speaker 1: So I didn't have a plan for anything at all.

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Speaker 4: And then I definitely didn't expect to get like the

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Speaker 3: What was your feedback that you got?

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Speaker 4: Well, it was just like because I know in past seasons,

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Speaker 4: And I remember after like the second episode, I think

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Speaker 2: I remember being like, this is so weird. What do

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Speaker 2: you think it was? Do you think it was the Bachelor?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think everyone was very intrigued in him. And

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Speaker 4: then I feel like right off the bat it had.

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Speaker 4: We had a really like interesting group of girls. Everyone

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Speaker 4: it was just really interesting and a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Especially you rolling up with your Christmas tree farm red truck.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we really kicked it to the Midwest roots

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Speaker 2: because you. I think what's really special too is how

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Speaker 2: a bit, I would say, right, because you didn't want

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Speaker 2: to do Bachelor in Paradises in those right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had I like I said that last year.

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Speaker 4: It was super life changing and I was kind of like,

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Speaker 4: I think I need to take a seck. I was like,

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Speaker 2: And did you get back with your ex boyfriend?

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Speaker 4: So we hadn't been together for like four and a

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Speaker 4: Done, then some of my friends were like, have you

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Speaker 4: talked to him at all? And I was like no,

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Speaker 4: He was like I still like love you and want

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Speaker 3: Did you question his intention.

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Speaker 1: It was so like it had been so long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you question his intention at all? Coming back

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Speaker 4: No, not at all, because he's honestly, like, through when

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Speaker 4: we broke up and everything, he's always been like one

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Speaker 4: of the nicest people I've ever met in my life.

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Speaker 4: Like he's just such like a kind, good person. So

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Speaker 4: I never had to question anything.

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Speaker 3: And you guys went to San Diego State together, is

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Speaker 3: that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we went to San Diego State.

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Speaker 3: That's incredible. And now you just build a house together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which feels like a really big adult thing to

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Speaker 2: do at twenty six years old. Yeah, is Thor gonna

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Speaker 2: put a ring on this?

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Speaker 3: Or what is love? By the way?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just want a name, right, It's funny when we

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Speaker 4: say our name and yeah before like wait, is that

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Speaker 4: you guys are.

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Speaker 2: Very twisted like Disney Literally.

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Speaker 3: That's cute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not like pressuring anything, so we'll see.

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Speaker 3: But the house is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean we definitely like I wouldn't have moved there,

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Speaker 2: So I didn't go to college. I have my idea

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know what it was. And then my

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Speaker 2: Isn't rushing dangerous? Like the things that I've seen about it,

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Speaker 1: It was honestly like speed dating.

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Speaker 4: I actually compared when I was doing like interviews to

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Speaker 4: It was like you're just talking to all these girls

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Speaker 4: I think honestly hearing the mom's perspective because I didn't

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Speaker 1: So I feel like a reason for me doing.

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Speaker 4: The podcast is like I just want like younger people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, meant to well, everyone go listen to Dirty Rush Daisy,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Best of luck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all guys. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, bye Girl, Bye Daisy,