WEBVTT - 2023 NBA Draft Preview (Feat. Terrell Furman) 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:02.880 You're tuned into Heat Check with Trystal Quick. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.960 On this episode of the Heat Check, we have a 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:15.080 special guest in the fucking studio, Terrell Furman, host of 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.919 the NBA Sports Gambling Podcast, host of the WNBA Sports 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.959 Gambling Podcast on the Sports Gambling Podcast Network. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.439 He is going to make sense of all of the 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.840 draft confusion. We will get his view into. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.600 What's going to happen from the top of the first 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.199 round to the bottom, well more like the mid I'm 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.000 also gonna try to make some goddamn sense out of 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:35.800 the Brad Beil for Chris Paul trade. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.080 And get into some Zion tea. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.080 The NBA Draft is upon us, Terrell and Nick, so 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.720 do me a favor and drop that motherfucking generic ass 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:55.480 beating the shibby Rihanna. So to be fair, I got 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.760 a text from Terrell yesterday. Ye yesterday, So that was 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.600 two days ago in today's time, because this is coming 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.280 out on Tuesday, and Torell was. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:05.960 In Chocolate City. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.280 He was in the Nation's capital, uh huh, watching a 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:14.800 little w NBA, watching our Undermachine aka the DC Mystics, 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.520 Washington Mystics versus the Chicago Sky And I said, why 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:19.480 do I have them in the studio. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.400 We can talk about NBA Draft here. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.200 So without further ado, Terrell Furman again host the NBA 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.120 and WNBA Sports Gambling Podcast. Check that out on the 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.560 Sports Gambling Podcast Network. But you can get it on 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:31.400 Spotify as well. 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.280 Right, you can get wherever you usual podcast, your podcast? YouTube? Hey, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.520 do both YouTube, Spotify, Apple do all of it, all those. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.440 Downloads, complete combination for every single device. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:43.760 You know. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.360 What I think people should do too, is like just 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.320 go into the Apple Store. Yeah, and download the podcast 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:50.520 to the Apple phones. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.240 Oh podcast, Hey, go download the app. The app is 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.800 in Apple Store too. Sgpn's Hey, I take any type 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.560 of support you can get. It is free. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:08.160 What is your overall I guess vibe of this draft stardom? 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:15.120 This feels like stardom because you have the next Carnation 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.040 of Jesus walking on earth. Who is Victor winm begnonna. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.440 That has everybody made it seem like he's just automatically 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.960 gonna be great. And for one, if he's not good 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.160 the first year, guys, please give him some time. He's 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.040 still a sinner like center is a hard position to 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.200 learn in the NBA. But you have him, then you 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:32.960 have Scoot Henderson, who is a guy that if you 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.960 ask anybody who watches Scoot Henderson, he is a number 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:40.200 one overall pick. But unfortunately, because Jesus reincarnated Walker are 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.919 forgetting Victor Wim Binyonna, he is now being talked about 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.799 in number two with Brandon Miller. You go even further 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.080 down and we'll talk about a guy that I like 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.560 who is number one overall high school recruit and he's 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.360 sliding in the draft. So this is just a draft 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:56.400 full of stardom. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:56.800 Hmm. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.560 Yeah, And I think I wonder because there's so many 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.639 teams that are rumored to be moving up and down 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.240 the board that you wonder, is it a deep draft? 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.320 Is it like a three four person star draft with 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.880 a lot of good role players? Like if you were 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.600 to assess how many guys outside of the top three 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.560 actually start year one. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.119 We think outside of the top three. I I think 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.000 you have a lot of questions. I think that where 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.200 the issue is gonna come is everybody wants to see 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.600 those starters come in and average twenty points per game. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.079 If you're a big, you're already in double double territory. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.520 I should be betting your double double every game. Like 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.800 Evan Mobley. Look at Evan Mobley. Now he is a 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.880 really really good starter. In his first year, you were like, okay, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.200 like this guy's all right. He averaged sixteen seventeen. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.440 That's that's really good for pretty good player rookie. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.720 That's really good for a rookie NBA player like Paulo 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.000 ben Caro. He's been really really good and he's getting better, 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.200 Like he's gonna be better next year. We have che 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.800 Hulk who we haven't even seen yet. Like they're all 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.320 the these players in the NBA. People want them to 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.200 just come in and be those all star twenty plus 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.360 thirty plus per game scores, and it's not just gonna 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.560 happen like that, Like it takes time to actually develop 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.720 a player like they did Evan Mobley and Cleveland and 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.880 now Evan Mobley next year could be knocking on the 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:18.800 door all Stars out. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.240 Yeah, you talk about Evan Mobley and that is just 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.960 an interesting thing about bigs and biggs taking a long 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:24.640 time to develop. 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.440 Also, oshayok Baji, like he came on late. He was 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:29.000 really good. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.039 I liked him a lot at Kansas. So it's going 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.159 to be fascinating to see how many guys come in 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.520 and contribute right away. Another storyline that's kind of circulating 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.720 is just all these teams that have needs and they 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.680 think are going to be active, right Okay, See is 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.040 rumored to want to move up. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.960 New York. Knicks are rumored to want to go No. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:50.440 No, they're not. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:51.560 You don't think they're gonna get first. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:53.159 Everybody wants to come to New York. Nobody wants come to. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:57.960 Okay Now, Toronto rumored to move up. Cleveland rumored to 0:04:58.120 --> 0:04:58.479 move up. 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.120 If you had to give a gain, who do you 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.400 think that's not in the top ten now moves into 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:05.000 the top ten? 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.240 Golden State, Wow, if you're done leaving, you have to 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.720 make a splash. You have to Bob Byers gave this 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:15.320 organization for championships for it. Like, if you're done leaving, 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.400 you got to make a splash. And saying that Jordan 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.520 Poole is coming back for the next four years is 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.839 not the way to make that splash. As the first 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.040 active new GM power in Golden State, I think it's 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.040 one hundred percent Golden State. I think Golden States are 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.440 buyers at the draft and they find their way in 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:31.960 the top ten. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.960 Wow, Like who, who do you think they who do 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.560 you think they make a trade with because it can't 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.520 be ten. I don't think Mavericks need a Jordan Pool. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.320 They're not going to probably try to move up. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.000 Yeah, I think that surprised because they could use some 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.479 more depth, especially for Dallas. But I'm looking at teams 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.400 that kind of either got rid of their picks or 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.200 they're just in this mode of stockpiling picks. Utah just 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.520 feels like a team that's like, well, I mean, we're 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.719 going nowhere fast, guys, we might as well trade back. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.279 So Utah at nine is like the number one team 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.480 I'm looking at. Washington didn't get a first round pick 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.240 for Bradley Beal. We're gonna talk about that, but like 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.560 that would be interesting. So Washington could could move back, 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.599 or Washington could just be a buyer and get somebody 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.440 really good there. But Washington can move back. It's a 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.320 couple of teams up there that I think would move 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.000 back with the Golden State and Golden State take a 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:26.320 Derek Lively the second, you know, probably the best defensive 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:27.599 big in the draft class. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.920 So you really like Derek Lively that hold on, let 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:30.760 me let me wait. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.440 On that one, because I think an interesting trade could 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:38.640 be Wizards trade Chris Paul for and whatever, Chris Paul 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.880 and the eight pick for Jordan Poole and whatever. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.640 Yeah, Golden State has their first are they seventeen eighteen? 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.680 I think? And Chris Paul said he wants to go 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.640 to a contender and still compete nineteen. You know that's 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.520 definitely in the wrong possibility. I think Chris Paul makes 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:59.680 everything fun because you ought to like, he's worth some 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.400 type value. Everybody wants to devalue Chris Paul and I 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.239 completely understand it, but he's worth some type of value. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.360 So that with the first round pick is enticing to 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.840 get a player that can come into the organization and 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.120 play now. So we'll see. But oh man, the DC 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.320 team very very poverty organization, so I don't think they're 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.200 doing anything that's any benefit to them. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.320 You don't think even with Michael Winger coming in from 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.600 the Clippers, which, by the way, the Clippers have made 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.200 some really bad draft moves as well, underratedly bad draft moves. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.160 Obviously, moving Shaye was was a terrible not. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.080 Only moving Shaye but giving up every single pick and 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.800 Shane seven. We talked about it, and we talked about 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.080 the worst trades one day and we said Rudy Gobert 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:42.720 probably is going to go down as the worst trade 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.640 it ever. But nobody's talking about how bad that Paul 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.280 George trade was and the fact that now Shay is 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.920 a first teamer and he could potentially he almost led 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.680 his team to the playoffs. Like he almost led to 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.160 his team to the playoffs. So I don't know that 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.000 that Paul George trade is pretty pretty bad? 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.200 Yeah, yea, So okay, So let's talk a little bit 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.680 about some of the teams that we think might be active. 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.960 So what do you think Orlando's trying to do and 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.360 how do you think they're trying to prioritize this draft 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.480 because Palo said already that this year they have six 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.840 and eleven. Palo said this year as playoffs or bust. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.440 I really think this is a young team. We know 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.560 that they've got the six pick and the eleventh pick, 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.560 So do they package those picks to maybe try to 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.200 get up into the top three to four? 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.400 Do they sell off one of those picks for a veteran? 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:31.040 Like what do you think? 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.160 And obviously they're in need of a point guard even 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:34.880 though they have a million of them, they still need 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:36.160 that and they need rim protection. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.439 So if you were to be a better for what 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.160 Orlando does, what do you think they do? 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.120 I think Orlando's in the situation where you can kind 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.360 of just let the draft board fall to you, honestly, 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.079 like if you want to make a splash play and 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.040 go trade up into that top four. And it seems like, well, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.400 we know number one is not trading, and Charlotte has 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.240 maintained that they're not going to trade their pick. I 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.520 just saw today that Portland's said they're probably not going 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.480 to trade their pick. I wouldn't be surprised if Houston 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.839 tried to trade. But right now the top four, none 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.280 of the top four teams are hurting for picks. Like 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.960 everybody has an assortment of picks over the next few years. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.240 And that's what I'm looking for for teams that are 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.920 looking to trade out of that top ten spot is 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.600 what teams do not have picks coming up that would say, Okay, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.599 we can get another first round or this year, and 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.120 I can get a first round or next year and 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.120 replace some of those picks. And so I think they 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.160 hold serve. I think they hold serve and they just 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:33.800 let it come to them like, you have a pretty 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.199 good chance at number six to get one of the twins, 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:41.319 well the lesser twin as some people say ASR. So 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:42.920 you still have a chance to get him. You have 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.760 a chance to get Cam Whitmore, you still have Anthony Black. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.040 It's a lot of really really good players. You talk 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.680 about rim protection, Derek Livey is gonna be in there somewhere, 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.120 And that's one of my teams that I have Lively 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.640 going to if not traded at trade. Yeah, maybe at eleven. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.280 I don't think they would jump at six, but maybe 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.120 at eleven. He could be there at eleven and just 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.320 offer you that rim protection. Like everybody that needs rim protection, 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:10.280 dall Is, Utah, Orlando, everybody should be looking at Derek 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.839 Lively in that eight to eleven range. So I can 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.000 see something like that, but I don't think they. I 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.440 just can't see them making a trade with anybody unless 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.040 somebody comes from behind and gives them two three extra picks. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:23.839 What do you think Derek Lively is going to be 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:28.480 Because the big man position is so polarizing, right, and 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.440 you've got Derek Lively who's sort of kind of been 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.360 creeping up the draft boards a lot of teams like him. 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.040 I'm just not a big fan of taking big men 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.439 in the top ten, top twelve period because they're just 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.400 such big bus potential, right. I love Jalen Duran, but 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.160 I don't know that you should have taken him there. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.480 We'll see what he ends up being, Like James Wiseman, 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.679 hasn't worked out, like a lot of these big men 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.880 that are in the lottery don't end up working out 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:53.200 very often right away. 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.520 What do you like most about him? 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.959 I like him more because of the situation that he 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.439 can potentially go to Less about the player. So the 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.400 player is an amazing player. We know he's a shot 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.599 blocker average like some five point six rebounds and a 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.839 whole bunch of blocks over at during his time. And 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.440 Duke hate the dookis, but that's like. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.240 Mark Williams too, and he was just trash and Charlie. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.680 Yeah, but it's like it's the timing. Biggs take time 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.720 to develop to the league, Like you can't just come 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.040 into Polo can come into the league and he can 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.000 give the league twenty Like if you watch Polo in 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.360 Summer League, you watched Polow in this rookie year. Every 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.839 one of his buckets were grown man, I'm gonna get 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.719 a bucket. Bucket Biggs don't get that opportunity, Like you 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.600 have to learn defensive setups, you have to learn how 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.120 to switch over, you got to learn the pick and 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.280 roll and being able to guard the pick and roll, like, 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.000 you got to learn all this stuff as a big 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.120 and that doesn't just come in one season, like a 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.840 lot of that is trial and error, Like Rudy Gobert 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.599 didn't come in and he looked didn't look like a 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.880 defensive player of years first year, Dramond Green didn't look 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.599 like a defensive Player of the year's first year. Like 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.160 some of that stuff takes time. And so the issue 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.960 that I had with Golden State when it was time 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.839 and they picked wise Man, was it a great pick 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.080 for them, Yes, because they needed size, but they're there 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.320 was no way Golden State was waiting for that because 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:02.680 they're in. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.920 A win now more winuation now. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:09.640 Mo terrible situation. But now wise Men over there. And 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.480 same thing with Duran them and Detroit, well, we don't 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.800 got nothing to wait for. If y'all want to take 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.640 three four years, then fine, bite be all that. So 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.679 that's what I expect to see from Lively and somebody 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.719 take from Lively because I think organizations understand that these 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.760 bigs you gotta be patient with them. And if you're 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.319 not gonna be patient, you don't need to take them. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.280 So a team like Orlando that's not going anywhere fast, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.440 no matter how much Polo wants to say that they are, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.560 they really really are, okay, they can take and invest 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.720 more into them. A Golden State that is literally looks 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.280 like they're kind of retooling things. We just saw Draymond 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.480 may potentially not be coming back. Is that news? Is 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.920 that not news? We'll talk about it. But I mean, 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.440 Derek Lively could be good. They're at a Golden State 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.160 team that says, hey, we need a year or two 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.760 to reset this thing. But just expecting him to come 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.000 in and be this ultimate dominant defensive thing, I don't 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:58.760 think it's gonna happen. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.319 Why you think Walker kess Or developed so fast. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.839 I think it's because he's his offensive game and he 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.599 was able to stretch the floor in how he was 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.559 with that Utah Jazz team where it was go, go, 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.040 go go. He was a big that can run the floor. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.640 He was a big that in our Auburn he was 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.920 able to be able more on the offensive side and 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.319 less about defense. Like we didn't really think of Walker 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.920 Kesler as this big defensive shot blocking big like an 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.040 area like a Evan Mobley. No, it was just more of, hey, 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:28.880 this is another guy that's going to be able to 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.040 spread the floor with us. At the time, they thought 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:32.880 they still had Rudy Gobert, so it was like, Okay, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.559 Ruby Gobert anchors, we have this kind of big lineup, 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.439 and but Rudy Gobert goes all right, we bring in 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.800 Walker Kessler. Walker Kesler is going to help us get 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.960 more and more offense, so that was a lot easier 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.599 for him. And then he's just a big guy, so 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.920 he was able to dominate rebounding, but some of the 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.680 little key things like as a big Kessler still has 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.000 to work on. But they died. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.920 I think he led the NBA though in blocks. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:54.840 Yeah. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:56.240 He was a defensive monster. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:02.160 Yeah, And so I think that Kessler is now kind 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.360 of I think that's kind of where everybody wants you 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.760 to be. Is that kind of big that kind of 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.480 comes in and turns it over quickly. But on a 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.120 lot of other rosters, does he get that same opportunity 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.040 to do that. Probably not. I think it just he 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.160 got the perfect situation with no Rudy Gobert in Utah 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.480 where they just said forget it. Hardy was just like, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.080 go play, yeah, go play, go, go do something, because 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.360 we're not gonna just sit here and tank all these games. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.240 And that's part of the reason why Utah was the 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.240 best team as an underdog last season. Utah Jazz are inevitable. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.800 So let's quickly shift backward to the Wizards because we 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:56.400 didn't get to it. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.520 Obviously, a rebuilding team, new GM, new completely new office, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.920 same exact owner. They have the eighth pick, Like, they 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.680 definitely need a guard and we talked about this via text. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:08.920 They need a scoring guard. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.160 But I know that I'm seeing Oscar Thompson get mocked 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.440 there too because of his upside. Would that be a 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.440 mistake to you? Would that surprise you? And like, what 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.080 do you think they actually do versus should do. 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.760 I don't think it's a mistake because Alsar Thompson is 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.880 still a really good player. Like at this point where 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.080 they're at in the draft at eight, like, there's not 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.520 many mistakes that you can be made, and it's just 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.960 more of wait and see because all these guys look 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.400 really really good right now. But guess what, that's what 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.840 everybody in every NBA draft looks. Everybody looks really really 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.080 good right now. It just depends on when you get 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.760 to the league, how you train that player, how you 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.120 developed that player. And so a guy that I had 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.480 as a long shot was Nick Smith, Nick Smith Junior 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.600 from Arkansas. This guy was number one overall recruited talent, 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.720 number one overall recruited talent last year, and then he 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.480 comes had a flare up his knee in the offseason, 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.360 missed like six games early on, came in, had some 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.840 really good outings, and then his knee flaired up again, 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.400 and that kind of took away his explosiveness last year. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.200 And people were saying his tank dropped now, like he 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.040 should have just never played. He would have just had 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.720 the college hype and he still would have been a 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.080 top pick. Now there's some mocks that have him sliding 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.400 to the yeah to the twenties, and it's like, this 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:27.720 guy is still the first over Like in a year time, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.920 you can't go from number one overall in your class 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.120 to now sliding into the twenties of the draft. So 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.320 that's why I just think he's an interesting person, that 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.080 he had a really good workout with Washington, he had 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:42.400 a really good workout with Toronto. And look, just listen 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.360 to the last few number one overall recruits in the 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.360 draft class, starting with Anthony Davis in twenty eleven. He 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.200 went number one overall, Nearleans Noel number six, Andrew Wiggins 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.080 number one, Emmanuel Moode Lord, I hate the Knicks. He 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.560 went seven to the Knicks, to the Knicks terrible. And 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.400 then I think, I think they trade him to actually Denver, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.640 so I think he was at Denver sometime there, but 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.640 he goes to Denver. Then you have Ben Simmons number 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.000 one overall, Josh Jackson number four, Marvin Bagley number two, R. J. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:15.320 Barrett number three, and Edwards number one, Kate Cunningham number one, 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.560 Check Holgram number two, and then you have Nick smiff 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.200 here for twenty twenty two. Everybody here is the top 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.040 ten pick like regardless. And so while I get it, 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:25.879 but if you just if you're telling me that it's 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.439 just a physical, if he just has to pass a physical, 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.760 and the team doc says, oh, this guy is clear 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.040 cut good to go. Everybody thinks he's like one of 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.600 the best scorers in this draft, and so you just 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.600 traded away an all world scorer in Bradley Beal. It 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.360 makes so much sense to just say, all right, we're 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.560 gonna play scoring and scoring. Doctor said, Nick Smith is healthy. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.200 This was just a one year thing that me is 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.080 gonna be good going forward. Why are we not going 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.119 to take somebody who is explosive that can score on 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.120 all three levels? So Nick Smith finding his way into 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.520 the top ten after literally almost every single mount draft 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.840 has him not even in the top fifteen. I think 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.399 Nick Smith is somebody to watch out for, especially Washington, 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.119 because it sounds like they liked him from his workout. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.679 Do you like Nick Smith more than Anthony Black, who 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.520 is also his teammate at Arkansas? Because I really like 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.880 Anthony Black's playmaking. He kind of feels like a Josh 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:11.480 Giddy to me. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:12.480 Obviously not a. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:17.160 Great shooter, but plays incredible defense and get steals deflections, 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:17.960 big body. 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.040 I think he's what six six sixty seven? Do you 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:22.440 like Nick Smith more? 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:22.560 For? 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:24.679 It depends what I need? Yeah, what do I need? 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.480 Do I need a playmaker or do I need a scorer? 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.080 Because sometimes I just need a scorer that'll go out 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.480 there and get a bucket, and I mean you have 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:32.800 Kyle khu'sm over there. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.040 They do need probably get rid of them though, right yeah, 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.920 I think at some points, at some point. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.800