Speaker 1: You're tuned into Heat Check with Trystal Quick.
Speaker 2: On this episode of the Heat Check, we have a
Speaker 2: special guest in the fucking studio, Terrell Furman, host of
Speaker 2: the NBA Sports Gambling Podcast, host of the WNBA Sports
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Speaker 3: He is going to make sense of all of the
Speaker 3: draft confusion. We will get his view into.
Speaker 4: What's going to happen from the top of the first
Speaker 4: round to the bottom, well more like the mid I'm
Speaker 4: also gonna try to make some goddamn sense out of
Speaker 4: the Brad Beil for Chris Paul trade.
Speaker 3: And get into some Zion tea.
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Speaker 4: What is your overall I guess vibe of this draft stardom?
Speaker 1: This feels like stardom because you have the next Carnation
Speaker 1: of Jesus walking on earth. Who is Victor winm begnonna.
Speaker 1: That has everybody made it seem like he's just automatically
Speaker 1: gonna be great. And for one, if he's not good
Speaker 1: the first year, guys, please give him some time. He's
Speaker 1: still a sinner like center is a hard position to
Speaker 1: learn in the NBA. But you have him, then you
Speaker 1: have Scoot Henderson, who is a guy that if you
Speaker 1: ask anybody who watches Scoot Henderson, he is a number
Speaker 1: one overall pick. But unfortunately, because Jesus reincarnated Walker are
Speaker 1: forgetting Victor Wim Binyonna, he is now being talked about
Speaker 1: in number two with Brandon Miller. You go even further
Speaker 1: down and we'll talk about a guy that I like
Speaker 1: who is number one overall high school recruit and he's
Speaker 1: sliding in the draft. So this is just a draft
Speaker 1: full of stardom.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I wonder because there's so many
Speaker 4: teams that are rumored to be moving up and down
Speaker 4: the board that you wonder, is it a deep draft?
Speaker 4: Is it like a three four person star draft with
Speaker 4: a lot of good role players? Like if you were
Speaker 4: to assess how many guys outside of the top three
Speaker 4: actually start year one.
Speaker 1: We think outside of the top three. I I think
Speaker 1: you have a lot of questions. I think that where
Speaker 1: the issue is gonna come is everybody wants to see
Speaker 1: those starters come in and average twenty points per game.
Speaker 1: If you're a big, you're already in double double territory.
Speaker 1: I should be betting your double double every game. Like
Speaker 1: Evan Mobley. Look at Evan Mobley. Now he is a
Speaker 1: really really good starter. In his first year, you were like, okay,
Speaker 1: like this guy's all right. He averaged sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 3: That's that's really good for pretty good player rookie.
Speaker 1: That's really good for a rookie NBA player like Paulo
Speaker 1: ben Caro. He's been really really good and he's getting better,
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna be better next year. We have che
Speaker 1: Hulk who we haven't even seen yet. Like they're all
Speaker 1: the these players in the NBA. People want them to
Speaker 1: just come in and be those all star twenty plus
Speaker 1: thirty plus per game scores, and it's not just gonna
Speaker 1: happen like that, Like it takes time to actually develop
Speaker 1: a player like they did Evan Mobley and Cleveland and
Speaker 1: now Evan Mobley next year could be knocking on the
Speaker 1: door all Stars out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you talk about Evan Mobley and that is just
Speaker 4: an interesting thing about bigs and biggs taking a long
Speaker 4: time to develop.
Speaker 3: Also, oshayok Baji, like he came on late. He was
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 4: I liked him a lot at Kansas. So it's going
Speaker 4: to be fascinating to see how many guys come in
Speaker 4: and contribute right away. Another storyline that's kind of circulating
Speaker 4: is just all these teams that have needs and they
Speaker 4: think are going to be active, right Okay, See is
Speaker 4: rumored to want to move up.
Speaker 3: New York. Knicks are rumored to want to go No.
Speaker 1: No, they're not.
Speaker 3: You don't think they're gonna get first.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to come to New York. Nobody wants come to.
Speaker 3: Okay Now, Toronto rumored to move up. Cleveland rumored to
Speaker 3: move up.
Speaker 4: If you had to give a gain, who do you
Speaker 4: think that's not in the top ten now moves into
Speaker 4: the top ten?
Speaker 1: Golden State, Wow, if you're done leaving, you have to
Speaker 1: make a splash. You have to Bob Byers gave this
Speaker 1: organization for championships for it. Like, if you're done leaving,
Speaker 1: you got to make a splash. And saying that Jordan
Speaker 1: Poole is coming back for the next four years is
Speaker 1: not the way to make that splash. As the first
Speaker 1: active new GM power in Golden State, I think it's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent Golden State. I think Golden States are
Speaker 1: buyers at the draft and they find their way in
Speaker 1: the top ten.
Speaker 4: Wow, Like who, who do you think they who do
Speaker 4: you think they make a trade with because it can't
Speaker 4: be ten. I don't think Mavericks need a Jordan Pool.
Speaker 4: They're not going to probably try to move up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that surprised because they could use some
Speaker 1: more depth, especially for Dallas. But I'm looking at teams
Speaker 1: that kind of either got rid of their picks or
Speaker 1: they're just in this mode of stockpiling picks. Utah just
Speaker 1: feels like a team that's like, well, I mean, we're
Speaker 1: going nowhere fast, guys, we might as well trade back.
Speaker 1: So Utah at nine is like the number one team
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. Washington didn't get a first round pick
Speaker 1: for Bradley Beal. We're gonna talk about that, but like
Speaker 1: that would be interesting. So Washington could could move back,
Speaker 1: or Washington could just be a buyer and get somebody
Speaker 1: really good there. But Washington can move back. It's a
Speaker 1: couple of teams up there that I think would move
Speaker 1: back with the Golden State and Golden State take a
Speaker 1: Derek Lively the second, you know, probably the best defensive
Speaker 1: big in the draft class.
Speaker 3: So you really like Derek Lively that hold on, let
Speaker 3: me let me wait.
Speaker 4: On that one, because I think an interesting trade could
Speaker 4: be Wizards trade Chris Paul for and whatever, Chris Paul
Speaker 4: and the eight pick for Jordan Poole and whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Golden State has their first are they seventeen eighteen?
Speaker 1: I think? And Chris Paul said he wants to go
Speaker 1: to a contender and still compete nineteen. You know that's
Speaker 1: definitely in the wrong possibility. I think Chris Paul makes
Speaker 1: everything fun because you ought to like, he's worth some
Speaker 1: type value. Everybody wants to devalue Chris Paul and I
Speaker 1: completely understand it, but he's worth some type of value.
Speaker 1: So that with the first round pick is enticing to
Speaker 1: get a player that can come into the organization and
Speaker 1: play now. So we'll see. But oh man, the DC
Speaker 1: team very very poverty organization, so I don't think they're
Speaker 1: doing anything that's any benefit to them.
Speaker 4: You don't think even with Michael Winger coming in from
Speaker 4: the Clippers, which, by the way, the Clippers have made
Speaker 4: some really bad draft moves as well, underratedly bad draft moves.
Speaker 3: Obviously, moving Shaye was was a terrible not.
Speaker 1: Only moving Shaye but giving up every single pick and
Speaker 1: Shane seven. We talked about it, and we talked about
Speaker 1: the worst trades one day and we said Rudy Gobert
Speaker 1: probably is going to go down as the worst trade
Speaker 1: it ever. But nobody's talking about how bad that Paul
Speaker 1: George trade was and the fact that now Shay is
Speaker 1: a first teamer and he could potentially he almost led
Speaker 1: his team to the playoffs. Like he almost led to
Speaker 1: his team to the playoffs. So I don't know that
Speaker 1: that Paul George trade is pretty pretty bad?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yea, So okay, So let's talk a little bit
Speaker 4: about some of the teams that we think might be active.
Speaker 4: So what do you think Orlando's trying to do and
Speaker 4: how do you think they're trying to prioritize this draft
Speaker 4: because Palo said already that this year they have six
Speaker 4: and eleven. Palo said this year as playoffs or bust.
Speaker 4: I really think this is a young team. We know
Speaker 4: that they've got the six pick and the eleventh pick,
Speaker 4: So do they package those picks to maybe try to
Speaker 4: get up into the top three to four?
Speaker 3: Do they sell off one of those picks for a veteran?
Speaker 1: Like what do you think?
Speaker 4: And obviously they're in need of a point guard even
Speaker 4: though they have a million of them, they still need
Speaker 4: that and they need rim protection.
Speaker 3: So if you were to be a better for what
Speaker 3: Orlando does, what do you think they do?
Speaker 1: I think Orlando's in the situation where you can kind
Speaker 1: of just let the draft board fall to you, honestly,
Speaker 1: like if you want to make a splash play and
Speaker 1: go trade up into that top four. And it seems like, well,
Speaker 1: we know number one is not trading, and Charlotte has
Speaker 1: maintained that they're not going to trade their pick. I
Speaker 1: just saw today that Portland's said they're probably not going
Speaker 1: to trade their pick. I wouldn't be surprised if Houston
Speaker 1: tried to trade. But right now the top four, none
Speaker 1: of the top four teams are hurting for picks. Like
Speaker 1: everybody has an assortment of picks over the next few years.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm looking for for teams that are
Speaker 1: looking to trade out of that top ten spot is
Speaker 1: what teams do not have picks coming up that would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we can get another first round or this year, and
Speaker 1: I can get a first round or next year and
Speaker 1: replace some of those picks. And so I think they
Speaker 1: hold serve. I think they hold serve and they just
Speaker 1: let it come to them like, you have a pretty
Speaker 1: good chance at number six to get one of the twins,
Speaker 1: well the lesser twin as some people say ASR. So
Speaker 1: you still have a chance to get him. You have
Speaker 1: a chance to get Cam Whitmore, you still have Anthony Black.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of really really good players. You talk
Speaker 1: about rim protection, Derek Livey is gonna be in there somewhere,
Speaker 1: And that's one of my teams that I have Lively
Speaker 1: going to if not traded at trade. Yeah, maybe at eleven.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would jump at six, but maybe
Speaker 1: at eleven. He could be there at eleven and just
Speaker 1: offer you that rim protection. Like everybody that needs rim protection,
Speaker 1: dall Is, Utah, Orlando, everybody should be looking at Derek
Speaker 1: Lively in that eight to eleven range. So I can
Speaker 1: see something like that, but I don't think they. I
Speaker 1: just can't see them making a trade with anybody unless
Speaker 1: somebody comes from behind and gives them two three extra picks.
Speaker 4: What do you think Derek Lively is going to be
Speaker 4: Because the big man position is so polarizing, right, and
Speaker 4: you've got Derek Lively who's sort of kind of been
Speaker 4: creeping up the draft boards a lot of teams like him.
Speaker 4: I'm just not a big fan of taking big men
Speaker 4: in the top ten, top twelve period because they're just
Speaker 4: such big bus potential, right. I love Jalen Duran, but
Speaker 4: I don't know that you should have taken him there.
Speaker 4: We'll see what he ends up being, Like James Wiseman,
Speaker 4: hasn't worked out, like a lot of these big men
Speaker 4: that are in the lottery don't end up working out
Speaker 4: very often right away.
Speaker 3: What do you like most about him?
Speaker 1: I like him more because of the situation that he
Speaker 1: can potentially go to Less about the player. So the
Speaker 1: player is an amazing player. We know he's a shot
Speaker 1: blocker average like some five point six rebounds and a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of blocks over at during his time. And
Speaker 1: Duke hate the dookis, but that's like.
Speaker 3: Mark Williams too, and he was just trash and Charlie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like it's the timing. Biggs take time
Speaker 1: to develop to the league, Like you can't just come
Speaker 1: into Polo can come into the league and he can
Speaker 1: give the league twenty Like if you watch Polo in
Speaker 1: Summer League, you watched Polow in this rookie year. Every
Speaker 1: one of his buckets were grown man, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: a bucket. Bucket Biggs don't get that opportunity, Like you
Speaker 1: have to learn defensive setups, you have to learn how
Speaker 1: to switch over, you got to learn the pick and
Speaker 1: roll and being able to guard the pick and roll, like,
Speaker 1: you got to learn all this stuff as a big
Speaker 1: and that doesn't just come in one season, like a
Speaker 1: lot of that is trial and error, Like Rudy Gobert
Speaker 1: didn't come in and he looked didn't look like a
Speaker 1: defensive player of years first year, Dramond Green didn't look
Speaker 1: like a defensive Player of the year's first year. Like
Speaker 1: some of that stuff takes time. And so the issue
Speaker 1: that I had with Golden State when it was time
Speaker 1: and they picked wise Man, was it a great pick
Speaker 1: for them, Yes, because they needed size, but they're there
Speaker 1: was no way Golden State was waiting for that because
Speaker 1: they're in.
Speaker 3: A win now more winuation now.
Speaker 1: Mo terrible situation. But now wise Men over there. And
Speaker 1: same thing with Duran them and Detroit, well, we don't
Speaker 1: got nothing to wait for. If y'all want to take
Speaker 1: three four years, then fine, bite be all that. So
Speaker 1: that's what I expect to see from Lively and somebody
Speaker 1: take from Lively because I think organizations understand that these
Speaker 1: bigs you gotta be patient with them. And if you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be patient, you don't need to take them.
Speaker 1: So a team like Orlando that's not going anywhere fast,
Speaker 1: no matter how much Polo wants to say that they are,
Speaker 1: they really really are, okay, they can take and invest
Speaker 1: more into them. A Golden State that is literally looks
Speaker 1: like they're kind of retooling things. We just saw Draymond
Speaker 1: may potentially not be coming back. Is that news? Is
Speaker 1: that not news? We'll talk about it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: Derek Lively could be good. They're at a Golden State
Speaker 1: team that says, hey, we need a year or two
Speaker 1: to reset this thing. But just expecting him to come
Speaker 1: in and be this ultimate dominant defensive thing, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Why you think Walker kess Or developed so fast.
Speaker 1: I think it's because he's his offensive game and he
Speaker 1: was able to stretch the floor in how he was
Speaker 1: with that Utah Jazz team where it was go, go,
Speaker 1: go go. He was a big that can run the floor.
Speaker 1: He was a big that in our Auburn he was
Speaker 1: able to be able more on the offensive side and
Speaker 1: less about defense. Like we didn't really think of Walker
Speaker 1: Kesler as this big defensive shot blocking big like an
Speaker 1: area like a Evan Mobley. No, it was just more of, hey,
Speaker 1: this is another guy that's going to be able to
Speaker 1: spread the floor with us. At the time, they thought
Speaker 1: they still had Rudy Gobert, so it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Ruby Gobert anchors, we have this kind of big lineup,
Speaker 1: and but Rudy Gobert goes all right, we bring in
Speaker 1: Walker Kessler. Walker Kesler is going to help us get
Speaker 1: more and more offense, so that was a lot easier
Speaker 1: for him. And then he's just a big guy, so
Speaker 1: he was able to dominate rebounding, but some of the
Speaker 1: little key things like as a big Kessler still has
Speaker 1: to work on. But they died.
Speaker 3: I think he led the NBA though in blocks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was a defensive monster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I think that Kessler is now kind
Speaker 1: of I think that's kind of where everybody wants you
Speaker 1: to be. Is that kind of big that kind of
Speaker 1: comes in and turns it over quickly. But on a
Speaker 1: lot of other rosters, does he get that same opportunity
Speaker 1: to do that. Probably not. I think it just he
Speaker 1: got the perfect situation with no Rudy Gobert in Utah
Speaker 1: where they just said forget it. Hardy was just like,
Speaker 1: go play, yeah, go play, go, go do something, because
Speaker 1: we're not gonna just sit here and tank all these games.
Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason why Utah was the
Speaker 1: best team as an underdog last season. Utah Jazz are inevitable.
Speaker 3: So let's quickly shift backward to the Wizards because we
Speaker 3: didn't get to it.
Speaker 4: Obviously, a rebuilding team, new GM, new completely new office,
Speaker 4: same exact owner. They have the eighth pick, Like, they
Speaker 4: definitely need a guard and we talked about this via text.
Speaker 3: They need a scoring guard.
Speaker 4: But I know that I'm seeing Oscar Thompson get mocked
Speaker 4: there too because of his upside. Would that be a
Speaker 4: mistake to you? Would that surprise you? And like, what
Speaker 4: do you think they actually do versus should do.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a mistake because Alsar Thompson is
Speaker 1: still a really good player. Like at this point where
Speaker 1: they're at in the draft at eight, like, there's not
Speaker 1: many mistakes that you can be made, and it's just
Speaker 1: more of wait and see because all these guys look
Speaker 1: really really good right now. But guess what, that's what
Speaker 1: everybody in every NBA draft looks. Everybody looks really really
Speaker 1: good right now. It just depends on when you get
Speaker 1: to the league, how you train that player, how you
Speaker 1: developed that player. And so a guy that I had
Speaker 1: as a long shot was Nick Smith, Nick Smith Junior
Speaker 1: from Arkansas. This guy was number one overall recruited talent,
Speaker 1: number one overall recruited talent last year, and then he
Speaker 1: comes had a flare up his knee in the offseason,
Speaker 1: missed like six games early on, came in, had some
Speaker 1: really good outings, and then his knee flaired up again,
Speaker 1: and that kind of took away his explosiveness last year.
Speaker 1: And people were saying his tank dropped now, like he
Speaker 1: should have just never played. He would have just had
Speaker 1: the college hype and he still would have been a
Speaker 1: top pick. Now there's some mocks that have him sliding
Speaker 1: to the yeah to the twenties, and it's like, this
Speaker 1: guy is still the first over Like in a year time,
Speaker 1: you can't go from number one overall in your class
Speaker 1: to now sliding into the twenties of the draft. So
Speaker 1: that's why I just think he's an interesting person, that
Speaker 1: he had a really good workout with Washington, he had
Speaker 1: a really good workout with Toronto. And look, just listen
Speaker 1: to the last few number one overall recruits in the
Speaker 1: draft class, starting with Anthony Davis in twenty eleven. He
Speaker 1: went number one overall, Nearleans Noel number six, Andrew Wiggins
Speaker 1: number one, Emmanuel Moode Lord, I hate the Knicks. He
Speaker 1: went seven to the Knicks, to the Knicks terrible. And
Speaker 1: then I think, I think they trade him to actually Denver,
Speaker 1: so I think he was at Denver sometime there, but
Speaker 1: he goes to Denver. Then you have Ben Simmons number
Speaker 1: one overall, Josh Jackson number four, Marvin Bagley number two, R. J.
Speaker 1: Barrett number three, and Edwards number one, Kate Cunningham number one,
Speaker 1: Check Holgram number two, and then you have Nick smiff
Speaker 1: here for twenty twenty two. Everybody here is the top
Speaker 1: ten pick like regardless. And so while I get it,
Speaker 1: but if you just if you're telling me that it's
Speaker 1: just a physical, if he just has to pass a physical,
Speaker 1: and the team doc says, oh, this guy is clear
Speaker 1: cut good to go. Everybody thinks he's like one of
Speaker 1: the best scorers in this draft, and so you just
Speaker 1: traded away an all world scorer in Bradley Beal. It
Speaker 1: makes so much sense to just say, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna play scoring and scoring. Doctor said, Nick Smith is healthy.
Speaker 1: This was just a one year thing that me is
Speaker 1: gonna be good going forward. Why are we not going
Speaker 1: to take somebody who is explosive that can score on
Speaker 1: all three levels? So Nick Smith finding his way into
Speaker 1: the top ten after literally almost every single mount draft
Speaker 1: has him not even in the top fifteen. I think
Speaker 1: Nick Smith is somebody to watch out for, especially Washington,
Speaker 1: because it sounds like they liked him from his workout.
Speaker 4: Do you like Nick Smith more than Anthony Black, who
Speaker 4: is also his teammate at Arkansas? Because I really like
Speaker 4: Anthony Black's playmaking. He kind of feels like a Josh
Speaker 4: Giddy to me.
Speaker 3: Obviously not a.
Speaker 4: Great shooter, but plays incredible defense and get steals deflections,
Speaker 4: big body.
Speaker 3: I think he's what six six sixty seven? Do you
Speaker 3: like Nick Smith more?
Speaker 4: For?
Speaker 1: It depends what I need? Yeah, what do I need?
Speaker 1: Do I need a playmaker or do I need a scorer?
Speaker 1: Because sometimes I just need a scorer that'll go out
Speaker 1: there and get a bucket, and I mean you have
Speaker 1: Kyle khu'sm over there.
Speaker 6: They do need probably get rid of them though, right yeah,
Speaker 6: I think at some points, at some point.
Speaker 1: You probably should just to reload. You didn't get a
Speaker 1: first round pick for Bradley Beal. You gotta start reloading.
Speaker 1: And if you're going to commit to that. That's the
Speaker 1: issue that I have with some things is they don't
Speaker 1: want to commit to the rebuild. They kind of want
Speaker 1: to be one in, one foot in one foot out Portland.
Speaker 1: The definition of one foot, one foot out to the rebuild.
Speaker 1: Are we in a rebuild?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Because we have Dame Lillard. Should we be in a
Speaker 1: re Absolutely. All these teams that are now trying to
Speaker 1: commit to the rebuild after the greatest prospect that everybody
Speaker 1: says since Lebron James is now gone, is really really
Speaker 1: crazy to me. But I think that it depends on
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for between those two. If I'm looking
Speaker 1: for somebody that's a pure scorer and I just need
Speaker 1: I don't need you to do all these other aspects
Speaker 1: of the game. I don't really need you for defense.
Speaker 1: I feel like that I can coach up defense or
Speaker 1: I have a good defensive team. Overall, I just need
Speaker 1: somebody that in the last minute of the game that
Speaker 1: I can go to to get a bucket. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Nick Smith because I think he if he
Speaker 1: develops right with the right staff, he could be one
Speaker 1: of those guys that can lead league in scoring one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Bradley Beal did a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: I think they were playing tea.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, the Wizard should actually try to get
Speaker 1: a guy like Brady Beal. They should see if he's
Speaker 1: on the market.
Speaker 4: Speaking of guards, a guy who may not make it
Speaker 4: to eleven, I think he's fascinating. He's really not discussed much,
Speaker 4: and I think it's because Kentucky guys just always fly
Speaker 4: under the radar.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: Calipari really does sell these teams, like these players short.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, you had a couple of twins
Speaker 4: and I forget their twins names, And Devin Booker was
Speaker 4: just sitting at sitting there at yeah, both Wiggins and like,
Speaker 4: Devin Booker's just sitting there as a fourth option.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You had Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 4: You had he like barely shot any threes with Kentucky
Speaker 4: you had Emmanuel Quickly who like all of a sudden
Speaker 4: now he's a scoring machine. Tyrese Maxi fell in the draft,
Speaker 4: bam Adebayo slightly fell in the draft. All these guys
Speaker 4: are very very good NBA players, So Case and Wallace,
Speaker 4: I'm fascinated to get your take on because a team
Speaker 4: like Utah could really use him. A team like Detroit
Speaker 4: who needs a guard even though they're fifth, probably that
Speaker 4: would be a reach team like the Rockets, team like
Speaker 4: the rock Raptors as well. Mocked eight to fifteen yep,
Speaker 4: top ten, not top ten. Best fit Dallas Dallas.
Speaker 1: It tells h Dallas because I don't think Kyrie's staying,
Speaker 1: and I think they know really if Kyrie Lee, even
Speaker 1: if Kyrie doesn't leave, they still need to backup guard death.
Speaker 1: But I think I think there's a more than not
Speaker 1: chance that Kyrie decides not to stay with Dallas. And
Speaker 1: if you don't, then how Jason kids run that offense
Speaker 1: with Jalen Brunson and Luca with Kyrie like Jade Hard,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't trust them. They clearly don't trust them.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's because the defensive side of all, but
Speaker 1: it you remember when Kyrie first got there, and there
Speaker 1: was this stretch where it was either Kyrie playing or
Speaker 1: Luca playing, and then Josh Green was stepping up, Jaydon
Speaker 1: Hardy was stepping up. But as soon as Luca and
Speaker 1: Kyrie were back in the lineup, Josh Hart Josh Green's
Speaker 1: minutes went down, Jaydon Hardy didn't even see the floor.
Speaker 1: So defense now, Yeah, And so that's what I think
Speaker 1: that that's something really good for a Jason kidd if
Speaker 1: you sit here and say, all right, we're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to retain Tyrie. Kyrie. It was very
Speaker 1: good experiment. We tried to make it work, it didn't work. Fine,
Speaker 1: We're moving on. Cason Wallace is a guy that I
Speaker 1: would love to have next to Luca that can also
Speaker 1: handle the ball. Like there's so much importance of having
Speaker 1: two capable ball handlers in today's NBA. And you saw
Speaker 1: it with the Mavericks run to the Western Conference finals
Speaker 1: the year prior with Jaylen Brusson, And now look at
Speaker 1: Jylen Russ and he went and got a bag and
Speaker 1: went to New York and played really, really well. It's
Speaker 1: because there's so much stock and having two point guards,
Speaker 1: two capable ball handlers that'll be able to keep the
Speaker 1: offense flowing and not getting the trap situation, stuck situations
Speaker 1: kind of get stagnant with the ball. So I think
Speaker 1: that a sleeper pick for me is Dallas. But I
Speaker 1: can absolutely see a Utah saying no, we're not letting
Speaker 1: this guy go go pass, especially with the Colin Sexton
Speaker 1: experiment seeming like it didn't work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they say they're still committed to Colin Sexton
Speaker 4: because he was working through some injury issues.
Speaker 3: But I'm not so convenent.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just a bad taste in himself and the
Speaker 1: best form of ability is availability, and sometimes some people
Speaker 1: aren't there.
Speaker 4: He just never is another fascinating player that I've seen
Speaker 4: as high in mocks as four and as low in
Speaker 4: mocks as like eight.
Speaker 3: And I love this kid.
Speaker 4: He's a kid who started off injured but ended up
Speaker 4: being a real difference maker for Villanova Cam Whitmore. I
Speaker 4: think he's bouncy, I think he's big. I think he'd
Speaker 4: be a phenomenal fit for the Rockets. I think he'd
Speaker 4: be really good for Detroit. Like, do you think he
Speaker 4: makes it out of the top five? Do you think
Speaker 4: he is a top five guy.
Speaker 1: So that's what I've been struggling with it, and that's
Speaker 1: what I was looking up today and trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what I like today was I'm pretty sure Amen
Speaker 1: Thompson goes before him. Is he better than the other
Speaker 1: Thompson brothers? That's my costing players And that's really the
Speaker 1: question that betters of the draft are looking for that
Speaker 1: just fans of the sport. How many players? What is
Speaker 1: the gap between Amen Thompson and ASR. Thompson? What is
Speaker 1: the gap there? Is it just a Cam Witmore? Is
Speaker 1: it that these brothers are so good that they're going
Speaker 1: back to back? I think that Cam Whitmore might be
Speaker 1: the gap player in between them that keeps them from
Speaker 1: going back to back. Yeah. Yeah, then five, And that's
Speaker 1: what it feels like to me. Maybe he falls a
Speaker 1: little bit less than six. Maybe it just wasn't the
Speaker 1: right fit. But I think Cam Whitmore is definitely in
Speaker 1: contention for four, but Amon is gonna win out. And
Speaker 1: then I think Cam Whitmore goes to Detroit and five.
Speaker 3: How much better is Cam Whittmore than Sadik Bay?
Speaker 1: I think I think substantially better just than.
Speaker 6: The fact of explosiveness Yeah, explosiveness and spam and just
Speaker 6: maybe it's not really more of.
Speaker 1: The fault of sidek Bay, but just how he was coached.
Speaker 1: He was just coached to be a one track pony,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna try to hit a bunch of threes.
Speaker 1: But if you look at him, especially when he got
Speaker 1: to the Hawks, he was slashing more to the rim.
Speaker 1: Back cuts look amazing, Like sidek Bay got digs do
Speaker 1: more in the Hawks offense under Quinn Snyder. Got to
Speaker 1: do a lot more with Quinn Snyder. So now I
Speaker 1: think Cam whitmore.
Speaker 3: Is it money system?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And possibly does I think that Mani's gonna have
Speaker 1: a really really good time with this, just the young
Speaker 1: talent having all these options to go to instead of
Speaker 1: having to pigeonhole it through a Devin Booker, who, yes,
Speaker 1: I would love to have the problem of I gotta
Speaker 1: find a way to make Devin Booker work in offense.
Speaker 1: But now you don't have that star. But that's so
Speaker 1: much more freeing because everybody can touch the ball. Everybody
Speaker 1: can and you can go around all five players and
Speaker 1: so long as yeah J kN Ivey's not passing, but
Speaker 1: it can touch four out of the five guys and
Speaker 1: then in with Ivy on a good percentage look. And
Speaker 1: that's what I like about the Pistols this year that
Speaker 1: I think, no matter what they go at five, they're
Speaker 1: gonna pass the ball so much, and He's gonna get
Speaker 1: them playing together that they're gonna get the best look possible.
Speaker 3: You think Oscar is a bad fit because he can't shoot.
Speaker 1: That shot is ugly, No, but but he does so
Speaker 1: much else. He's a playmaker, he's a he can defend,
Speaker 1: he can do all these other things I think you
Speaker 1: want to. I don't know if point guard is the term.
Speaker 1: You know Sean Phillips and he has this position. I
Speaker 1: don't think if point guard is the right term for him.
Speaker 1: Forward is it maybe like a hybrid, kind of like
Speaker 1: a hybrid combo. And of course, like not having a
Speaker 1: shot right now is probably the best thing for you
Speaker 1: in today's NBA because so many players are working on
Speaker 1: their shot. Outside of Ben Simmons, everybody else is working
Speaker 1: on their shot and making their shot a better shot.
Speaker 1: Like even the great Lebron James didn't have a good
Speaker 1: shot at first, and even in about halfway of his
Speaker 1: career still didn't have a good shot. Now his shot
Speaker 1: feels a lot better. He's found something. And you though
Speaker 1: it was probably one of the ugliest three pointers I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, it works for him. Yeah, and so now,
Speaker 1: and that was the same thing with the Dylan brook situation.
Speaker 1: Everybodyselfing on Dylan Brooks, Well, if shooting is your only issue,
Speaker 1: you can work on that. So many players worked on that.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler shoots the ball a lot better than when
Speaker 1: he started. So with Asar, I feel like you just
Speaker 1: got to be committed to him because if you look
Speaker 1: at him, you're like, hey, if we get this guy
Speaker 1: a shot, he could surpassed his brother. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing that he could surpass his brother. So and I
Speaker 1: think that's probably the reason why he didn't work on
Speaker 1: a shot as much, because hey, if I'm playing with
Speaker 1: a men every single team, I just get the ball
Speaker 1: to him and he go ahead and does it. And
Speaker 1: that's why I like ASR in the draft so much
Speaker 1: because looking of what he played, how he played with
Speaker 1: his brother for so long, he's so unselfish. Yeah, such
Speaker 1: an unselfish player. And so if you put a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys that can score around him, and that's why
Speaker 1: I'm really like I'm torn at five between him and
Speaker 1: him because insert him into that lineup with Detroit and
Speaker 1: you put a Kate Cunningham who's going to have fun
Speaker 1: playing off the ball with him, a jayde and Ivy
Speaker 1: who's always looking to score. You have the bigs down
Speaker 1: low that he can get the ball to really good. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm really torn. I don't know
Speaker 1: where I want to go at five if I was
Speaker 1: cam way more to ASR. But I think both of
Speaker 1: them fit that system really really well.
Speaker 4: Another player who I love, who I think is super versatile, big,
Speaker 4: can do a bunch of things, probably would have scored
Speaker 4: a lot more if he didn't play for Houston as
Speaker 4: Jeris Walker. He is getting mocked a lot to the Pacers.
Speaker 4: Some people think he'll go earlier like five, six, Some
Speaker 4: people think maybe nine to ten.
Speaker 3: What do you think he ends up? Where do you
Speaker 3: think he ends up going? Where do you think his
Speaker 3: best fit is?
Speaker 1: I think the Pacers is a good fit, just defensively
Speaker 1: and what he what he learned at Houston, what he's
Speaker 1: able to do at Houston. Again, Dallas another good fit
Speaker 1: that I don't think Dallas. Everybody is mocking Lively to Dallas.
Speaker 1: I think there's some Grady Dicks out there to the Dallas,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they go big. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but that would be that would be
Speaker 4: a killer for Nico Harrison if they don't get some defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I'm talking. I'm expecting like somebody
Speaker 1: like somebody else outside of what everybody's saying. And Walker
Speaker 1: is somebody like that that could fall just because they say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're trying to score, score score the Pacers like this
Speaker 1: is Rick Carlisle was talking about. Rick Carlisle doesn't care
Speaker 1: about defense. Rick Carlisle said, I don't care if you're
Speaker 1: scoring one hundred and ten points. My team was scored
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty, and so that could be something
Speaker 1: that we're not interested in a Walker because of that,
Speaker 1: And that's fine, But if he falls and he gets
Speaker 1: to somebody, like I'm throwing Dallas out here a lot,
Speaker 1: but because I to Dallas. Yeah, even in you taw,
Speaker 1: you saw a terrible defense as well. Like I'm throwing
Speaker 1: these teams out there, especially Dallas one, because Dallas ten
Speaker 1: for a reason. I think they put they wanted ten
Speaker 1: for a reason. They already been planning this way back
Speaker 1: before the Knicks were even considered at taking their as
Speaker 1: taking their pick if it fell to eleven or anything
Speaker 1: like that. So I think they planned for this and
Speaker 1: they're going to make some type of splashy move. Everybody
Speaker 1: thinks it's a big.
Speaker 3: You don't think they'll trade that pick.
Speaker 1: I think they they could. Like I think that there's
Speaker 1: so many things, especially with you just trading for Kyrie,
Speaker 1: like you can get something back. I remember I talked
Speaker 1: about play teams that are trying to get something back.
Speaker 1: They very well could. But I just think Dallas is
Speaker 1: the team I'm watching out for where I think they're
Speaker 1: going to do something that nobody expected, whether it's trading back,
Speaker 1: whether it's going and getting a player that somebody didn't expect,
Speaker 1: like a Walker or anybody else that we talked about today. Like,
Speaker 1: I think Dallas is the biggest wild card because they
Speaker 1: just feel like we're playing with house money. We have
Speaker 1: Luka Donsis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm also curious about Grady Dick because oil boy,
Speaker 4: will this matter where he goes? You know, the fit
Speaker 4: is going to be key, very critical. I've seen him
Speaker 4: as high as being reached for by Orlando. Yeah, I've
Speaker 4: seen at six. I've seen him getting mocked in the
Speaker 4: eleventh pick to Orlando at six.
Speaker 3: You think he false?
Speaker 1: I think he false. I don't know if everybody's why
Speaker 1: are so polarizing.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think the North American white boy thing.
Speaker 1: And it possibly could be if possibly because.
Speaker 4: Like he's not that athletic, but he's kind of sneaky athletic,
Speaker 4: which just means he's white.
Speaker 1: And I think Christian Bron just helped him out. I
Speaker 1: think Christian Bron, if he gets into the top ten,
Speaker 1: I think he definitely should be sending an invoice Christian
Speaker 1: Bron's way because now they saw what Christian Bron did
Speaker 1: in that playoff run.
Speaker 3: Especially in the more than Christian Brown can. He is
Speaker 3: a really elite shooting and that's.
Speaker 1: What it is, like, you're not just so if you're
Speaker 1: getting the toughness and you're getting everything you wanted about
Speaker 1: Christian browny you add somebody that can shoot shoot her too. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I think everybody's gonna be looking for him
Speaker 1: do it. But is everybody gonna take that chance and
Speaker 1: just being that guy?
Speaker 3: The difference between Christian Brown and Grady Dick.
Speaker 4: Is that you have to kind of hide Grady Dick
Speaker 4: in your defense and you don't for Christian Brown.
Speaker 1: And is the fact that Broun has low expectations. If
Speaker 1: you take Dick top ten, you're gonna expect for him.
Speaker 3: To be Tyler in the bubble thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like back in of the lottery. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's that he's not sliding. I'm not gonna say like
Speaker 1: he goes all the way to the Lakers at seventeen
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I think a steal, yeah, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, But I think he's back in of the
Speaker 1: lottery there, and he's somewhere around that Ryan. He's not
Speaker 1: necessarily Tophoi range. Yeah, maybe maybe a second Orlando pick
Speaker 1: so you feel comfortable, maybe you don't go Lively's way,
Speaker 1: or maybe you take Lively early because you think that
Speaker 1: Dick is gonna fall to you at eleven. Fine, Like
Speaker 1: I think that's a possibility as well. But somebody was
Speaker 1: just able to says that, hey, we can take this
Speaker 1: chance because all these teams up towards the top cannot
Speaker 1: afford another mess up. Yeah, Like there's jobs relying on
Speaker 1: getting this pick right this year because this is such
Speaker 1: a good draft, and there's going to be bust. Like,
Speaker 1: there's going to be busted in the top ten people
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, there's gonna be two, maybe three. If
Speaker 1: you're one of those teams with the bus, that's your job.
Speaker 1: Like this is a rich draft and you just so
Speaker 1: happen to draft the bus, your livelihood is done. So
Speaker 1: I don't think people are gonna take that chance with
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys.
Speaker 4: So Metropolitan ninety two, everybody's obviously been watching Vic. But
Speaker 4: another kid, Bilal Koolabali. He's really really good, really fun.
Speaker 4: Max have him going as high as nine, as low
Speaker 4: as fifteen. There's been some hype around Sacramento trying to
Speaker 4: move up to try to get him. I think the
Speaker 4: vek Rnadive, the owner of the Kings, went to his game.
Speaker 4: A lot of people were like, why would he go
Speaker 4: see Vic in France? A lot of people think it
Speaker 4: was for blall, like, what do you think he could be?
Speaker 4: Is he the most like I guess mystery.
Speaker 1: I think he's the person that somebody trades up and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh they're trading up, they're going to get
Speaker 1: huh yeah, Like that's really what it's going to be.
Speaker 1: And I think you know when you come last year, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: exactly where it's like you going and get your drafted.
Speaker 1: That guy like who And it's the guy that's not
Speaker 1: on everybody's radar, But it's because Big Vic is just
Speaker 1: so polarizing, nobody pays attention to the other guys around
Speaker 1: that team. Like as good as he is, he was
Speaker 1: not the reason why they won games, like a bunch
Speaker 1: of games, Like it's everybody else that came and helped
Speaker 1: them out. And so especially when they came over here,
Speaker 1: I think it was Las Vegas what was and they
Speaker 1: played against G League Knight like that was a chance
Speaker 1: for a lot of people to open their eyes. So
Speaker 1: I think he's one of those guys that can go
Speaker 1: kind of a trade. Maybe a King's team does trade
Speaker 1: up and go get them, or somebody else does trade
Speaker 1: up and go get them, and everybody's like, oh, scratching
Speaker 1: their head, and then you look two three years down
Speaker 1: the line and you're like, that was a really really
Speaker 1: great trade in the one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Hawks have the fifteenth pick. That would be interesting.
Speaker 1: I think the Hawks are the Hawks could be we'll see.
Speaker 1: They traded away a lot of picks for de Johnson Murray,
Speaker 1: but they get this one right. Trey Young could be
Speaker 1: out the door. And I'm waiting for something big to
Speaker 1: happen between now and Thursday, maybe even on Thursday. I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for something big. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but it just feels like the Bradley Beal thing was
Speaker 1: a tease. That was the te's move. Draymond Green not
Speaker 1: taking his player option that was a te's move. But
Speaker 1: it feels like something big is around the corner where
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a star move for a pick and
Speaker 1: some team is gonna buy into the youth movement or
Speaker 1: just changing that team around. And Quinn Snyder, who won
Speaker 1: the Hawks, are not afraid to make changes because I
Speaker 1: don't think I can remember.
Speaker 3: A coach coming in middle of the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah coaching, like coaching, full on coaching mid season. Now
Speaker 1: he has an offseason to kind of playing things out.
Speaker 1: Does he want Trey Young around?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: Is that the like? Is that the fit? I know
Speaker 1: we talked about a lot of mock situations, and I
Speaker 1: mean the Lakers do have seventeen. Yeah, seventeen is still
Speaker 1: a valuable pick in this draft. So could there be
Speaker 1: a situation where somebody anywhere says that, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take try Young and we'll give you one of our
Speaker 1: first round picks.
Speaker 3: You think treyng only gets one first round.
Speaker 1: Pick, I mean it's gonna be one one of many,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna get a haul for him. But a
Speaker 1: pick in this draft is one hundred percent gonna come.
Speaker 1: So is it gonna be Try Young? I know I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's gonna be Try Young, but I think
Speaker 1: there is a possibility that a star from somebody somewhere
Speaker 1: moves prior to draft and gives somebody like a player
Speaker 1: like anybody we talked through through this lottery, because this
Speaker 1: is a rich draft, and I think the owners and
Speaker 1: the GMS and everybody in basketball sees it and says, hey,
Speaker 1: we may not have like a superstar, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: have some really really good players that are gonna help
Speaker 1: us compete for championships in the future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we saw with Denver.
Speaker 4: Role players, especially role players that can play defense, are
Speaker 4: so critical. If you've got two guys one obviously that's
Speaker 4: a big man that can pass like Jokic, and a
Speaker 4: secondary score like Jamal Murray, what you need is to
Speaker 4: fill in the gaps.
Speaker 3: What's up with Taylor Hendrix? Like, what's up with them?
Speaker 4: I think he's because no one is talking about him,
Speaker 4: but he's smocked in every.
Speaker 1: Being in the top ten. He's gonna be in the
Speaker 1: top ten?
Speaker 3: Is he not the least talked about top ten player?
Speaker 1: It's either him or Walker? Yeah, I think it's either
Speaker 1: him or Walker. I think those are the two guys
Speaker 1: that people kind of like, I don't know what this
Speaker 1: guy looks like, but I heard he's a really good
Speaker 1: basketball player, so we're just gonna go ahead and go
Speaker 1: with that. But Hendricks is interesting because I think he
Speaker 1: kind of fits the mold and he's gonna be one
Speaker 1: of those guys that you're gonna take him in the
Speaker 1: top ten and you're gonna understand that he's he might
Speaker 1: not be a starter for you, but he's going to
Speaker 1: be a very very good bench piece. And I think
Speaker 1: he Like That's why I'm like, there's so much trade
Speaker 1: potential here because if you're a contender, like you want
Speaker 1: somebody in this draft just to fill out that bitch.
Speaker 1: Like imagine if Phoenix had some type of trade capital
Speaker 1: and they're sitting there saying man, we would like anybody
Speaker 1: to come play on the bench for us, Like there's
Speaker 1: so many Denver. So the funny thing about the parade
Speaker 1: with Denver is that Mike Malone was saying, but he's
Speaker 1: Bruce Brown went back, I would probably say that his age.
Speaker 1: I would never sign with his agent. And Bruce Brown
Speaker 1: signed another deal with the.
Speaker 4: DIN because the amount that Bruce Brown can get on
Speaker 4: the open market, it's a probably.
Speaker 1: Deal was a terrible one. Yes, they said this deal
Speaker 1: was a terrible deal and he should have never signed it.
Speaker 1: Now hindsight looks amazing because he has a ring and
Speaker 1: now he's gonna come in so much. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Malone was and if I was looking at Bruce
Speaker 1: Brown's reactions like I'm going to go get a bag.
Speaker 3: I can't pay me twelve Millioneah, I can be.
Speaker 1: A starter on many other teams, like so Denver is
Speaker 1: another one that and I was talking about you on
Speaker 1: the other show. Yes, I was talking to you about that,
Speaker 1: Like Denver is gonna need the reload that defensive position.
Speaker 1: So would it be surprising if Denver's finds some some
Speaker 1: type of capital and says I know that during the
Speaker 1: finals they had a swap with OKCY and they did
Speaker 1: a pick swap with OKC or something like that, Like
Speaker 1: Denver could move up and be trying to go on
Speaker 1: to the next level and saying, Hey, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: one of these, one of these top fifteen guys and
Speaker 1: we're gonna make them our six man.
Speaker 4: Second that okay, pick, you give your pick and movie fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I am curious though. Also, I like Jalen hu Chafino
Speaker 4: a lot. He's kind of a kid who could be
Speaker 4: like somewhere in the like eighteen to twenty. I've seen
Speaker 4: him as going as high as ten, which is kind
Speaker 4: of crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's gonna happen. I'll be six to six.
Speaker 3: He can play good defense, he can do a bunch
Speaker 3: of different things. High IQ does a lot.
Speaker 4: Of interesting training and conditioning that shows me that he
Speaker 4: cares about his body mechanics, like his hit mobility's insane,
Speaker 4: which I think is really important for basketball players at
Speaker 4: this next level with this modern NBA.
Speaker 3: Like, where do you think he goes?
Speaker 1: I think he And this is another one where.
Speaker 3: Like would this be a Warrior? Like would this be
Speaker 3: a Warriors?
Speaker 1: It feels like it could be a Warriors pick and
Speaker 1: just of we need some type of defense on the road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like literally we get rid of Jordan Poole and
Speaker 3: we add in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chain get and you get a defender. And then
Speaker 1: if you're Steve Currn Warriors, you feel comfortable about anybody's
Speaker 1: offense and saying we can we can get the best
Speaker 1: out of anybody on offense, Like we can get something
Speaker 1: out of everybody, even garyt Pack in the second like
Speaker 1: he wasn't known highly for his offense. It was really
Speaker 1: just the defensive side of Paul. But you look at
Speaker 1: him on Golden State and he has games where he
Speaker 1: can get it going from three, where he can move
Speaker 1: off ball and the off ball movement. You have to
Speaker 1: be willing to move off ball if you're not able
Speaker 1: to do that, if you're not conditioned. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think I like about him is that fact that
Speaker 1: he is conditioned, because that's like what Steve Kurr does
Speaker 1: the entire workout. Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards said about his
Speaker 1: Steve Kurr workout and was like, Oh, I did all
Speaker 1: this running. He was like, Oh, you're tired already. Steph
Speaker 1: does this like for a warm up, Like you're really tired,
Speaker 1: Like I know he's doing that with every player, not
Speaker 1: just Anthony Edwards. So I think that it could be
Speaker 1: a Warriors If Warriors don't trade up and go make
Speaker 1: like a splash play, they could go for somebody a
Speaker 1: safe option like that, come off the bench. You don't
Speaker 1: need stardom, You have stardom in Golden State. You just
Speaker 1: need somebody to come off the mission, play defense. And
Speaker 1: guess what if Draymond Green really is gone. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gone. I think he comes back. I think
Speaker 1: it was just something to give the Warriors more flexibility
Speaker 1: to make this a championship roster because Draymon's a team
Speaker 1: takes less now, Draymon's a team player, Like everybody wants
Speaker 1: to make it seem like Draymond's only out for himself.
Speaker 3: He's maybe fifteen this year, twenty the next year, forty
Speaker 3: the year after that.
Speaker 1: I truly believe contracts are a figment of an imagination,
Speaker 1: Like especially more in the NFL than the NBA, but
Speaker 1: definitely in an NBA when it comes to these player
Speaker 1: options and just saying all right, we're going to decline
Speaker 1: his player option, but we're still gonna resign you. We're
Speaker 1: gonna resign you for less money, and we've seen a
Speaker 1: number of players do that. There was talk of Chris
Speaker 1: Paul going back, and there's still there's still talks of
Speaker 1: Chris Paul's finding somehow to end his way back up
Speaker 1: in Phoenix because the Wizards probably aren't gonna hold on
Speaker 1: some if they don't trade.
Speaker 3: It, if they have to cut them, then he might
Speaker 3: just end up back there.
Speaker 1: And so it's like everybody's taking vet minimums and feels
Speaker 1: comfortable and like we made enough money. We just want
Speaker 1: to try to win championships. You don't see that as
Speaker 1: much in the NFL, but you see it a lot
Speaker 1: more in the NBA. So I think that Draymond could
Speaker 1: end his way back. So does that take away from
Speaker 1: a guy like Jase or somebody else coming in defensively? Possibly,
Speaker 1: But if not, I think he would be a good
Speaker 1: fit and a good not not saying replacement, but just
Speaker 1: somebody to help. Add to that of the ball.
Speaker 4: Another couple teammates too are I don't know what the
Speaker 4: difference is between them. I personally like Kobe Buffkin more
Speaker 4: than I like Jet Howard. I think he'll get taken
Speaker 4: before Jet Howard. What do you think the biggest difference
Speaker 4: is between them instead? Except for the size, right Like
Speaker 4: Jet Howard I think is six seven six' Eight Kobe
Speaker 4: bufkins five or six' five.
Speaker 1: SIXTY six I Think kobe buffkin has the, higher Floor
Speaker 1: But Jet hired howard has the. Higher ceiling howard could
Speaker 1: very well be one of the top players in the
Speaker 1: draft when it's all said, and, done really but it's in,
Speaker 1: TERMS yes i, think so just in terms, of, scoring
Speaker 1: playmaking all this. Other stuff he very. Well could but
Speaker 1: it depends on one development development fit. Like that that's so.
Speaker 1: Many things and that's the THING where i KIND of
Speaker 1: i really hate when teams just go best available because
Speaker 1: it's like best available might not be good. For you
Speaker 1: like that's the whole on that Debate that charlotte is having.
Speaker 1: Right now are we going best Available With scoot henderson
Speaker 1: or are we taking the best Fit With? Brandon miller
Speaker 1: is the gap large? Between them, Absolutely Not But brandon
Speaker 1: miller is clearly a better fit for Them with LaMelo handling,
Speaker 1: the Ball But scoot henderson could. Be GENERATIONAL and I
Speaker 1: ultimately i think that they make the wrong mistake and
Speaker 1: they Go with scoop Instead. Of MILLER while i do,
Speaker 1: THINK again I think scoot is the, better player but
Speaker 1: is he a better Player for charlotte may not BE
Speaker 1: question i have for.
Speaker 4: You though following up on, that is If, you're charlotte
Speaker 4: what can you Get for LaMelo right now in the.
Speaker 1: Open, market oh you could Get The House, moon stars whatever.
Speaker 4: You want you can't for the third overall or for
Speaker 4: the second. Overall pick so what you could do is
Speaker 4: Just take scoot and then You. Trade LaMelo you haven't,
Speaker 4: played together and then when you, need to You move
Speaker 4: LaMelo for four first, round picks.
Speaker 1: Especially if you Don't think LaMelo is going. TO resign
Speaker 1: i think that's like the conversation that teams, are having
Speaker 1: and that was the conversation when they first, Drafted, him
Speaker 1: Like is LaMelo is this just the one rookie contract
Speaker 1: Pony and LaMelo dips off to a larger market like,
Speaker 1: Possibly so and that's ULTIMATELY what i think kind, OF
Speaker 1: see i think it is a situation and we're talking,
Speaker 1: long term like there's some dynasty basketball players that that,
Speaker 1: are listening, and, Like oh i'm loving it IS because
Speaker 1: i would love To see LaMelo move on to a
Speaker 1: bigger market of a. Different team, BUT like i think
Speaker 1: that's ultimately The conversation charlotte is having what's our chances Of?
Speaker 1: Retaining melo because while we do get the incentives of
Speaker 1: max supermats contracts for staying with your team, original team
Speaker 1: but if he is on, the move school is a
Speaker 1: very good replacement for when we don't. Have him one
Speaker 1: What is? LaMelo's, availability again best ability is availability and
Speaker 1: he may not, be There so scoot could be that
Speaker 1: for them. As well or do you just buy in
Speaker 1: all In on LaMelo Being A. Charlotte hornet if you're
Speaker 1: buying all in, on that You Go. BRANDON miller i
Speaker 1: know we kind of got on our tangent and talking about,
Speaker 1: these two but like that is just the it JUST
Speaker 1: there's i don't remember the last time that such a
Speaker 1: big decision has. Been made It too normally it's just plug,
Speaker 1: and play go. With It john, morant easy like you're
Speaker 1: gonna You're Taking, John moran you're NOT. Questioning Rj BARD
Speaker 1: like i it's not one of. Those situations you really
Speaker 1: got to think. Through This is LaMelo a hornet for?
Speaker 1: Long term, if no you're. Going scoop, if so You're Going.
Speaker 4: Brandon miller, All right so outside of players outside of the,
Speaker 4: top three and who do, you think well outside of
Speaker 4: the who do you think is the biggest riser in
Speaker 4: this Draft Besides?
Speaker 6: Nick Smith besides, I'm sorry i'm, all soome so we're
Speaker 6: gonna take.
Speaker 4: Him off who do you think is the biggest surprise
Speaker 4: fall and rise Outside Of?
Speaker 1: Nick smith the BIGGEST fall i THINK is i think
Speaker 1: It's Potentially, grady dick JUST because I don't i don't
Speaker 1: know teams are one hundred percent bought into making it
Speaker 1: work instead of just like they like there's so many
Speaker 1: teams that just want to kind of plug. AND play
Speaker 1: i don't think he's a plug. AND play i think
Speaker 1: it's something that you have to make it work and
Speaker 1: understand he probably is gonna come off the bench for
Speaker 1: you for a. Few years the biggest RISE or i
Speaker 1: don't KNOW if i want to Go with LIVELY because
Speaker 1: i don't KNOW if. I can BUT if i think
Speaker 1: you're towards the back end of the LOTTERY and i can,
Speaker 1: see you Like if orlando sat here and took him,
Speaker 1: AT six i would not.
Speaker 3: Be, SURPRISED really.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't and it's just, BECAUSE like i Think That
Speaker 1: rudy gobert just put a bad taste in people's mouth
Speaker 1: about the shot Blocking big but that is so paramount
Speaker 1: when you just think about what happened In The boston
Speaker 1: series where everybody was getting to the room and it.
Speaker 1: Didn't matter when you look at now You, have jokic
Speaker 1: who you need somebody to, guard him and at least
Speaker 1: at the, very least You have lively who can actually
Speaker 1: get a hand in, his face unlike everybody else who
Speaker 1: kind of just puts a hand Up in.
Speaker 3: Yoki, is, LIKE yeah i can't. See HIM oh i.
Speaker 1: Didn't know somebody was. Guarding me that's what it looked
Speaker 1: like IN the. Nba five AND so I think jokic
Speaker 1: is and we talk about people that owe. People checks
Speaker 1: lively probably is going To owe yo kitcha check BECAUSE
Speaker 1: That nba finals is fresh and, for me a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff is less about basketball and more. About
Speaker 1: narratives and so if there's, a TEAM and i do
Speaker 1: think It's A golden state is, a contender but there's
Speaker 1: a number of contenders that can use. Rem. Protection you
Speaker 1: memphis is a team nobody's talking about right now that, they've,
Speaker 1: drafted really really well in. THE draft i don't think
Speaker 1: it's out of the possibility that, they say, all right
Speaker 1: we're moving up this year to go get Somebody Because
Speaker 1: steven adams wasn't available when we, needed them and, you
Speaker 1: know we need, more defense and we saw that that
Speaker 1: was really the reason why, we.
Speaker 3: Lost yeahs a couple. Of players and now that you have.
Speaker 1: So much good young talent that it's. Perfectly fine they
Speaker 1: drafted so Well that memphis is a ten deep team
Speaker 1: that people don't realize like. They have AND even i
Speaker 1: MEAN Their g league team won the Championship, with lofton
Speaker 1: AND so i think That a memphis is a team
Speaker 1: that Contender like lively just, gives me you know what
Speaker 1: everybody wanted wise men to be on the, defensive end not,
Speaker 1: the offensive but the. Defensive end and if you're sitting
Speaker 1: here telling ME that i have somebody that can potentially
Speaker 1: either now or maybe in the next year or even
Speaker 1: the next year, after that Neutralize A, joe embiid Neutralize,
Speaker 1: a yihnis Neutralize a yokice that. Is invaluable AND so
Speaker 1: I can i Can see lively rising as far as,
Speaker 1: AS six i think truly as far, AS six i
Speaker 1: can see him getting, up THERE but i can also
Speaker 1: see him falling to the twelve. Thirteen range so it's,
Speaker 1: just like will these teams Decide that i'm going to
Speaker 1: trade for a shot blocking big and that would not
Speaker 1: be a surprise to me.
Speaker 3: At all last question before we let. You Run is
Speaker 3: zion a member Of The New orleans Pelicans? On? Friday,
Speaker 3: yes really he's still There.
Speaker 1: On friday does he finish? The season that is something to,
Speaker 1: talk ABOUT but i think at the very least we
Speaker 1: get him to. The season he gets there to, the
Speaker 1: season and then as the season, goes on they may,
Speaker 1: be like, all right we're done, With this we're not
Speaker 1: doing this. Experiment anymore But, on friday he's still.
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