WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: William Vick Part 1 0:00:08.285 --> 0:00:10.205 School of Humans. 0:00:11.045 --> 0:00:14.685 On January seventeenth, twenty twenty three, fifty three year old 0:00:14.725 --> 0:00:21.685 William Vick was recovering at home in Clarksville, Arkansas. William 0:00:21.725 --> 0:00:24.925 was in good health. He loved making videos for his 0:00:25.045 --> 0:00:28.885 YouTube channel. I've been watching them, and obviously William got 0:00:28.885 --> 0:00:31.125 a lot of joy from making short films with his 0:00:31.205 --> 0:00:36.645 granddaughter and also riffing on everything from insomnia to pillar reviews, 0:00:37.125 --> 0:00:41.365 and even interviewing members of law enforcement about infamous Arkansas 0:00:41.485 --> 0:00:44.245 murder cases. It seems like William may have been a 0:00:44.245 --> 0:00:48.645 true crime fan. In these videos, William looks fit, healthy, 0:00:48.885 --> 0:00:51.165 and younger than his fifty three years. I feel like 0:00:51.205 --> 0:00:53.205 if I had known him in life, we would have 0:00:53.245 --> 0:00:56.965 been friends. William had gone in for a ton selectomy 0:00:56.965 --> 0:01:02.165 operation the week before. Apparently he had been experiencing some complications. 0:01:02.725 --> 0:01:05.525 He had texted his daughter Ashley to say that he 0:01:05.645 --> 0:01:09.045 believed that something inside him was broken and that he 0:01:09.085 --> 0:01:11.485 was throwing up a large amount of blood in the sink. 0:01:12.405 --> 0:01:14.965 Ashley was worried. She told her dad this did not 0:01:15.005 --> 0:01:17.845 seem normal to her. She encouraged him to go see 0:01:17.845 --> 0:01:21.805 the doctor, but William's wife, Lareinda, had worked as an 0:01:21.805 --> 0:01:25.165 ear nurse, and Ashley believed that her stepmother was taking 0:01:25.165 --> 0:01:29.405 care of her father. Lrenda's mother, Martha MacLean, was also around. 0:01:29.885 --> 0:01:33.125 She lived in a separate structure on William and Lorenda's property, 0:01:33.525 --> 0:01:36.365 right behind their house. A lot of what we know 0:01:36.685 --> 0:01:40.045 is pieced together after the fact from coroner's reports and 0:01:40.125 --> 0:01:43.365 case notes. We do know that at eleven twenty two, 0:01:43.925 --> 0:01:48.085 the Johnson County Deputy Coroner, Dave Cogan, arrived at nineteen 0:01:48.165 --> 0:01:52.325 fifty four County Road responding to an unexpected death. He 0:01:52.445 --> 0:01:56.685 spoke to Lorenda. According to the coroner's report, she told 0:01:56.725 --> 0:01:58.805 the deputy corner that she had been staying in a 0:01:58.845 --> 0:02:01.325 separate room from her husband because she had been sick 0:02:01.365 --> 0:02:05.805 recently and was worried about COVID. The deputy coroner noted 0:02:05.965 --> 0:02:09.845 that William was already in full rigor mortis, meaning that 0:02:09.925 --> 0:02:12.605 he had been dead and lying on that floor for 0:02:12.645 --> 0:02:16.325 a long time. William Vick was fifty three years old. 0:02:16.765 --> 0:02:18.485 He went in for what was supposed to be a 0:02:18.565 --> 0:02:22.125 routine operation, and a few days later he was dead. 0:02:22.965 --> 0:02:25.565 And this was just the beginning of an investigation that 0:02:25.645 --> 0:02:30.085 involves charges of insurance fraud. Two mysterious deaths and a 0:02:30.165 --> 0:02:34.685 family torn apart. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past five 0:02:34.765 --> 0:02:38.165 years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone, I've 0:02:38.245 --> 0:02:40.805 learned that there's no such thing as a small town 0:02:40.885 --> 0:02:44.765 where murder never happens. I have received hundreds of messages 0:02:44.805 --> 0:02:47.565 from people all around the country asking for help with 0:02:47.605 --> 0:02:51.845 an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families, and their communities. 0:02:52.405 --> 0:02:54.245 If you have a case you'd like me and my 0:02:54.285 --> 0:02:56.605 team to look into, you can reach out to us 0:02:56.685 --> 0:02:59.245 at our Helen Gone Murder Line at six seven eight 0:02:59.645 --> 0:03:02.645 seven four four six ' one four or five. That's 0:03:02.645 --> 0:03:06.285 six seven eight seven four four six one four or five, 0:03:07.045 --> 0:03:09.645 or you can send us a message on Instagram at 0:03:10.005 --> 0:04:02.645 Helen gonepod. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. The crime 0:04:02.725 --> 0:04:06.325 scene was not investigated by law enforcement, just the corner, 0:04:06.885 --> 0:04:09.845 and the report reads that the reason for reporting is 0:04:09.965 --> 0:04:14.925 natural or sudden death. The coroner's investigator noted that Lorenda 0:04:15.005 --> 0:04:18.405 had not called nine to one one or the police. Instead, 0:04:18.805 --> 0:04:22.725 she called the coroner's office directly. Pamela is the corner, 0:04:23.205 --> 0:04:27.165 Pamela wrote, and I'm quoting the report directly here she 0:04:27.605 --> 0:04:30.845 meaning Lrenda was an er nurse here in Clarksville at 0:04:30.885 --> 0:04:33.365 one time, and I believe her to be a nurse 0:04:33.405 --> 0:04:36.685 at a facility in Pope or Yale County. Now this 0:04:36.805 --> 0:04:39.605 fact might mean that she is familiar with us as coroners, 0:04:40.245 --> 0:04:43.765 but she would also know from working IRIR that our 0:04:43.805 --> 0:04:46.005 protocol is to call nine to one one or the 0:04:46.045 --> 0:04:50.165 Sheriff's office or a dispatch. The coroner number is not 0:04:50.325 --> 0:04:53.485 easily found for the normal citizen, but it is not 0:04:53.565 --> 0:04:56.525 impossible to get. It is not given out to the 0:04:56.525 --> 0:05:00.125 public by law enforcement or medical personnel. It would not 0:05:00.445 --> 0:05:03.445 be the obvious or easiest action to take when you 0:05:03.485 --> 0:05:06.885 find your spouse prone on the bedroom floor. It would, however, 0:05:06.965 --> 0:05:10.565 be something the average citizen might do to avoid having 0:05:10.605 --> 0:05:14.645 law enforcement in their home. The report indicates that the 0:05:14.645 --> 0:05:19.245 deputy coroner found Larinda reaching out to the coroner directly 0:05:19.405 --> 0:05:23.005 a bit odd because Lrenda was a nurse. The report 0:05:23.085 --> 0:05:26.085 said they felt that her normal reaction should be to 0:05:26.125 --> 0:05:29.045 call nine one one, even if it was obvious that 0:05:29.125 --> 0:05:33.605 her husband was dead. The sheriff's investigators in Johnson County 0:05:33.965 --> 0:05:37.925 began looking into William Vick's life and asking questions about 0:05:37.925 --> 0:05:42.445 his relationships, and they were asking about other things, including 0:05:42.725 --> 0:05:46.525 life insurance policies that William's brother Ted and his daughter 0:05:46.605 --> 0:05:49.245 Ashley say had been taken out in the year before 0:05:49.245 --> 0:05:53.525 his death, and the policies totaled eight hundred and fifty 0:05:53.845 --> 0:06:04.205 thousand dollars. William Earl Vick was born on August eighth, 0:06:04.365 --> 0:06:08.165 nineteen sixty nine, in Russellville, Arkansas. He had one son, 0:06:08.325 --> 0:06:11.885 also named William, who will refer to as will and 0:06:12.005 --> 0:06:15.125 a daughter, Ashley. He also had two step sons who 0:06:15.205 --> 0:06:19.565 were Larenda's sons from a previous relationship. According to his obituary, 0:06:20.045 --> 0:06:24.085 Lorenda's sons live in Mississippi, while William's daughter, Ashley lives 0:06:24.085 --> 0:06:28.365 in Russellville. Will also lives in Arkansas. William was married 0:06:28.405 --> 0:06:32.445 to Jacinda, Ashley and Will's mother, for eighteen years. They 0:06:32.485 --> 0:06:35.845 divorced around two thousand and nine. William met Lareinda in 0:06:35.885 --> 0:06:38.525 the early part of twenty eleven, and then a few 0:06:38.565 --> 0:06:42.325 months later they were married. As an adult, William worked 0:06:42.365 --> 0:06:46.045 several different jobs. According to his brother Ted, William was 0:06:46.085 --> 0:06:48.885 a personal trainer in Jim's for a while. He also 0:06:48.965 --> 0:06:51.765 did some work in law enforcement. We talked to Ted 0:06:51.845 --> 0:06:52.645 on the phone. 0:06:53.125 --> 0:06:55.685 So he was the personal trainer for a long time 0:06:56.245 --> 0:06:58.405 on gyms and stuff like that, and then he was 0:06:58.805 --> 0:07:02.725 a deputy or the Johnson County Sheriff's Department for a 0:07:02.765 --> 0:07:06.245 little while, and then he went over to the university 0:07:06.365 --> 0:07:09.285 in Clarksville. I think he was actually working for an attorney, 0:07:09.965 --> 0:07:11.765 and they never really said what he did. I think 0:07:11.805 --> 0:07:15.485 he did like private investigator stuff for him and kind 0:07:15.485 --> 0:07:17.605 of ran down leads for him and stuff like that. 0:07:18.165 --> 0:07:22.525 But he was going back to work for the Jonathan 0:07:22.605 --> 0:07:26.445 County Sheriff's Department just in about a week a week, 0:07:26.885 --> 0:07:30.205 you know, after he murdered. He had already put his 0:07:30.245 --> 0:07:32.445 application in, it was accepted, and he was going to 0:07:32.485 --> 0:07:35.325 go up and be a bailiff in the courthouse. 0:07:36.365 --> 0:07:41.325 Since William married Larinda, both Ted and William's daughter Ashley 0:07:41.685 --> 0:07:45.965 say that their relationship with William suffered. Four years before 0:07:46.045 --> 0:07:50.245 William's death, Ted said that he discovered that money was 0:07:50.325 --> 0:07:54.165 missing from their parents' bank account, an account that Ted 0:07:54.325 --> 0:07:58.725 claimed William had access to. Ted is very transparent about 0:07:58.725 --> 0:08:01.685 the fact that, due to this rift over their parents' 0:08:01.685 --> 0:08:04.885 money and William's alleged access to it, that they had 0:08:04.885 --> 0:08:07.485 not spoken in about four years. At the time of 0:08:07.525 --> 0:08:12.445 William's death, Ted said that he found bank records, records 0:08:12.485 --> 0:08:16.165 that showed that Lrenda was allegedly using a debit card 0:08:16.285 --> 0:08:19.445 that was linked to his parents' account. According to Ted, 0:08:20.205 --> 0:08:23.165 she appeared to be using it to buy gas and clothing. 0:08:24.165 --> 0:08:28.685 This turned into a family confrontation, but despite this, Ted 0:08:28.805 --> 0:08:32.285 said that he loved William. We also talked to Ashley, 0:08:32.405 --> 0:08:35.845 William's daughter, and she said that she was always close 0:08:35.885 --> 0:08:37.085 to her dad growing up. 0:08:37.565 --> 0:08:39.725 He got me how to time my shoes. My parents 0:08:39.845 --> 0:08:43.405 worked all the time, so they worked opposite shifts a lot. 0:08:43.285 --> 0:08:43.685 Of the time. 0:08:44.245 --> 0:08:47.005 I think he worked nice when I was learning that stuff, 0:08:47.085 --> 0:08:48.765 so he taught me that during the day. 0:08:49.445 --> 0:08:53.205 William was with Ashley and William Junior's mother for eighteen years, 0:08:53.685 --> 0:08:56.485 and Ashley said that their divorce was tough and they 0:08:56.525 --> 0:08:58.805 went through a lot, but that they loved each other 0:08:58.965 --> 0:09:01.725 and always had love for each other even after they 0:09:01.765 --> 0:09:05.325 split up. But after Larenda came into the picture, ash 0:09:05.685 --> 0:09:08.845 said that there was tension between her and her stepmother. 0:09:09.525 --> 0:09:12.965 Ashley said that Lareinda did not like her. She said 0:09:12.965 --> 0:09:16.085 that because of that, she saw her father less and. 0:09:16.125 --> 0:09:19.445 Less unless she was at work, then he would call 0:09:19.525 --> 0:09:22.085 me or if he was going to the store for 0:09:22.165 --> 0:09:24.885 whatever reason. You know, he would talk to me then 0:09:26.005 --> 0:09:28.245 and we would text back and forth occasionally, of course, 0:09:28.325 --> 0:09:30.765 but she said I was a full brat, even though 0:09:30.885 --> 0:09:34.285 my parents did not have money. They are not rich people. 0:09:34.405 --> 0:09:36.165 But she would tell me that I was a bull brat, 0:09:37.325 --> 0:09:39.925 I was a bitch, and all kinds of things she 0:09:39.965 --> 0:09:42.645 would say to my face end behind my back. Most 0:09:42.925 --> 0:09:44.645 all of it was behind my back, but you know, 0:09:46.005 --> 0:09:46.925 family member's shock. 0:09:47.765 --> 0:09:51.165 During the last year of William's life, Ashley said that 0:09:51.245 --> 0:09:55.205 they started to get closer again. It seemed like listening 0:09:55.205 --> 0:09:58.205 to her talk that she finally felt like she had 0:09:58.205 --> 0:09:59.005 her father back. 0:09:59.765 --> 0:10:03.285 We would go to lunch together every week. I don't know, 0:10:03.485 --> 0:10:06.085 he just got a different job. I guess where he 0:10:06.205 --> 0:10:07.805 was able to do that. He was coming to rest 0:10:07.805 --> 0:10:09.445 of Ville once a week where I lived, and so 0:10:09.485 --> 0:10:12.485 he was able to go to lunch with me every week. 0:10:12.765 --> 0:10:15.285 But she would always call all we were at lunch 0:10:15.325 --> 0:10:17.925 together and it was good. I mean, I felt like 0:10:18.285 --> 0:10:20.365 the last two year of his life as an adult, 0:10:20.525 --> 0:10:23.045 we were closest and I would go over there. She 0:10:23.125 --> 0:10:25.125 worked a lot, she traveled. He's a traveling nurse, so 0:10:25.445 --> 0:10:27.205 when she was out of town, me and my three 0:10:27.245 --> 0:10:30.085 kids would go over there a lot and go hiking, 0:10:30.165 --> 0:10:33.245 and you know, he had some land and a pond 0:10:33.325 --> 0:10:35.005 that we'd go over there and fish and just just 0:10:35.005 --> 0:10:36.285 hang out with him generally. 0:10:36.965 --> 0:10:40.125 Ashley said that her brother Will was living with Lrenda 0:10:40.165 --> 0:10:43.845 and their father, but just a few days before her 0:10:43.845 --> 0:10:48.085 father died, she said Lreinda pressured her father to get 0:10:48.125 --> 0:10:50.045 Will to move out. 0:10:49.525 --> 0:10:52.045 And then she was very adamant about getting him to 0:10:52.125 --> 0:10:54.165 move out. She wanted him to move out. She was 0:10:54.205 --> 0:10:57.885 pressuring him, pressuring my dad to kick my brother out, 0:10:58.125 --> 0:11:00.405 and my brother just finally hadn't said in us, and 0:11:01.285 --> 0:11:04.845 he just moved out. And my dad after that happened 0:11:04.845 --> 0:11:08.325 and called me. I never heard of fan cry, and 0:11:08.405 --> 0:11:11.645 he cried and said how he should not have let 0:11:11.805 --> 0:11:13.605 Lareinda treat my brother that way. 0:11:14.325 --> 0:11:14.965 I'm sorry. 0:11:15.365 --> 0:11:17.805 My dad was like such a strong person. 0:11:18.965 --> 0:11:22.565 Now I should say that we have contacted Larinda for comment. 0:11:23.245 --> 0:11:25.725 She said she had no comment, and she referred us 0:11:25.725 --> 0:11:29.045 to her lawyer, who we have reached out to. My 0:11:29.165 --> 0:11:32.125 point is we are only hearing one side of the 0:11:32.125 --> 0:11:35.405 story here, and it's not abnormal for new wives to 0:11:35.445 --> 0:11:38.725 have conflicts with children, and even in some cases for 0:11:38.765 --> 0:11:41.965 adult children to blame their stepmother for conflicts with their father, 0:11:43.125 --> 0:11:46.365 but Ashley claims that Lorenda has tried to paint a 0:11:46.405 --> 0:11:49.525 picture of her father William, as being abusive in some way, 0:11:50.285 --> 0:11:53.245 something that she says is absolutely not true. 0:11:53.605 --> 0:11:57.645 My parents had up and downs. But Arenda, he's trying 0:11:57.685 --> 0:12:00.125 to put this narrative out there now, like my dad 0:12:00.165 --> 0:12:04.365 was this terrible person. But she hasn't been screaming at 0:12:04.405 --> 0:12:07.405 the past year and a half. If anything, I saw 0:12:07.765 --> 0:12:11.085 the emotional abuse from her end because of how she 0:12:11.125 --> 0:12:14.405 treated me and how he wasn't allowed to talk to 0:12:14.445 --> 0:12:18.365 me when she was around. What kind of woman doesn't 0:12:18.445 --> 0:12:21.325 want a man talking to his children. I thinks it's 0:12:21.405 --> 0:12:23.965 weird to talk to your daughter, that you were too close. 0:12:25.125 --> 0:12:26.085 It's true, child. 0:12:26.645 --> 0:12:30.285 I feel like I don't know she did. I feel 0:12:30.325 --> 0:12:33.205 like she was trying to control him and he finally 0:12:33.285 --> 0:12:36.085 had an as and she isn't that That is my 0:12:36.165 --> 0:12:37.005 personal opinion. 0:12:38.165 --> 0:12:41.325 Ashley said she was surprised when, just a few weeks 0:12:41.365 --> 0:12:44.605 before her father died, he talked to her about having 0:12:44.605 --> 0:12:47.685 a life insurance policy. It turned out that he had 0:12:47.685 --> 0:12:50.285 taken out a policy with Farmers for five hundred thousand 0:12:50.325 --> 0:12:53.365 dollars and that in the event of his death, Lareinda 0:12:53.445 --> 0:12:56.165 would receive fifty percent and each of his children would 0:12:56.205 --> 0:12:59.285 receive twenty five percent. Now we're going to get a 0:12:59.325 --> 0:13:02.245 lot more into the intricacies of the insurance policies in 0:13:02.325 --> 0:13:05.285 next week's episode, but for now, I'll say this is 0:13:05.285 --> 0:13:08.605 all only one insurance policy. It turns out that there 0:13:08.845 --> 0:13:09.885 was more than one. 0:13:10.765 --> 0:13:13.925 So two weeks before he passed, he was talking to 0:13:13.965 --> 0:13:17.965 me about it, saying, jokingly saying, he's worth more dead 0:13:18.005 --> 0:13:21.365 than he is alive because his life insurance policy is 0:13:21.365 --> 0:13:25.365 so much, and he mentioned it. He was very adamant. 0:13:25.565 --> 0:13:29.605 You know when that gets half fifty percent, but you 0:13:30.005 --> 0:13:32.525 and your brother each get twenty five percent. I think 0:13:32.565 --> 0:13:35.045 the most of my dad ever said on me for 0:13:35.085 --> 0:13:36.885 a holiday was he bought me tennis shoes. 0:13:37.765 --> 0:13:40.045 But William was only fifty three years old and for 0:13:40.085 --> 0:13:43.445 the most part in great health. Ted brought this up 0:13:43.485 --> 0:13:45.885 when we talked to him as well. He said that 0:13:46.045 --> 0:13:49.005 even though he was not involved in his brother's life 0:13:49.085 --> 0:13:52.245 at the time, when William took out this latest insurance policy, 0:13:52.845 --> 0:13:55.845 he felt that the amount was excessive given William's job 0:13:55.965 --> 0:13:57.245 history and earning potential. 0:13:58.005 --> 0:14:00.885 My brother had a life insurance policy through the state 0:14:00.925 --> 0:14:04.125 farm and they couldn't even afford to pay that, And 0:14:04.165 --> 0:14:06.725 he had had it for five or six years, and 0:14:06.765 --> 0:14:10.405 they couldn't afford to pay that monthly payment, so they 0:14:10.485 --> 0:14:13.165 canceled it. And then all of a sudden, you know, 0:14:13.325 --> 0:14:16.085 a couple of years later, nothing really changes. They didn't 0:14:16.085 --> 0:14:19.645 come into any money. She still had the same job, 0:14:20.605 --> 0:14:24.085 he was still doing the same stuff, and then all 0:14:24.125 --> 0:14:26.125 of a sudden they can afford to post to a million. 0:14:27.005 --> 0:14:30.645 William's ton selectomy wasn't an emergency. It was something he 0:14:30.685 --> 0:14:33.325 had scheduled ahead of time. It was a routine operation, 0:14:34.125 --> 0:14:36.645 and he was sent home afterwards to recover with a 0:14:36.645 --> 0:14:41.085 prescription drug called tramadol. Now we don't know exactly when 0:14:41.205 --> 0:14:44.405 he was prescribed that tramadol. We're assuming he was sent 0:14:44.485 --> 0:14:47.765 home with it after his operation, but we don't have 0:14:47.845 --> 0:14:51.365 William's medical records, and we do not have a record 0:14:51.405 --> 0:14:54.885 of exactly when he got that prescription. So far, we 0:14:54.965 --> 0:14:57.325 have also been unable to confirm the name of the 0:14:57.365 --> 0:15:01.525 doctor who performed the ton selectomy. The coroner's report noted 0:15:01.805 --> 0:15:04.005 that they were still attempting to get in touch with 0:15:04.005 --> 0:15:06.765 the surgeon who performed the tonsol ectomy, but we don't 0:15:06.805 --> 0:15:09.645 know if they did. They were also trying to get 0:15:09.645 --> 0:15:13.645 William's medical records. The report noted that they were provided 0:15:13.765 --> 0:15:16.885 with some records by Laurinda, but that the records they 0:15:16.885 --> 0:15:19.485 got were several years old and they were trying to 0:15:19.485 --> 0:15:23.485 get more recent information. Ashley had lunch with William just 0:15:23.525 --> 0:15:27.405 a day before his operation on Friday, which again was 0:15:27.445 --> 0:15:30.925 meant to be totally routine. He called her right before 0:15:30.965 --> 0:15:34.165 he went into surgery on Friday. She never heard her 0:15:34.165 --> 0:15:35.445 father's voice again. 0:15:36.005 --> 0:15:39.045 I was Wednesday, and then Thursday, him and Laurenda went 0:15:39.045 --> 0:15:41.325 out to eat together for his last meal. He called 0:15:41.325 --> 0:15:44.525 it before surgery, and then he had surgery on Friday. 0:15:44.605 --> 0:15:46.885 So that Wednesday, yeah, I mean have passed. 0:15:47.445 --> 0:15:51.285 After having the operation on Friday, William was sent home. 0:15:51.885 --> 0:15:55.445 But then her father texted her and told her that 0:15:55.525 --> 0:15:58.845 he was throwing up blood. Then he sent Ashley a 0:15:58.885 --> 0:16:08.125 picture of a sink full of blood. Ashley was concerned 0:16:08.285 --> 0:16:12.085 about her dad. William had just had tom selectomy surgery, 0:16:12.645 --> 0:16:16.245 and he sent her a photo in it his sink 0:16:16.605 --> 0:16:17.365 was full of blood. 0:16:17.965 --> 0:16:21.085 I mean, he had sent me a picture of him 0:16:21.125 --> 0:16:23.085 throwing up blood. In the sink. It was a lot 0:16:23.125 --> 0:16:25.565 of blood and I was begging him to take you 0:16:25.765 --> 0:16:29.605 to the hospital. I even reached out to Lorenda and said, 0:16:29.805 --> 0:16:31.565 don't you know you're a nurse, don't She didn't you 0:16:31.965 --> 0:16:33.765 need to go to the hospital, And she said, oh, well, 0:16:33.805 --> 0:16:35.805 you know how stubborn your dad is. He doesn't want 0:16:35.805 --> 0:16:39.245 to go. And I said, you're a nurse, You're his wife. 0:16:39.325 --> 0:16:41.485 Forced him to go to the hospital. He should not 0:16:41.525 --> 0:16:42.565 be puking blood. 0:16:43.605 --> 0:16:47.405 Ashley said that she begged Laurinda to take her father 0:16:47.485 --> 0:16:51.565 to the hospital. The text messages that ashley next exchange 0:16:51.565 --> 0:16:53.925 with her father haunt her to this day. 0:16:54.525 --> 0:16:57.365 I said, don't die on me or I'll be traumatized, 0:16:57.685 --> 0:17:00.205 and he said, loll okay, I'm well. That was one 0:17:00.205 --> 0:17:01.525 of her last conversations. 0:17:02.005 --> 0:17:04.765 Ashley assumed that her dad was getting better that weekend. 0:17:05.565 --> 0:17:09.165 Next week, Ashley said she got a call the completely 0:17:09.205 --> 0:17:12.645 shocked her. Someone told her that her father was dead 0:17:13.805 --> 0:17:18.085 William and Dad on Tuesday. Ashley didn't find out until Thursday, 0:17:18.725 --> 0:17:22.125 and she said that that call did not come from Lorenda. 0:17:22.805 --> 0:17:25.925 She did not inform me at all. Actually, she did 0:17:25.965 --> 0:17:28.605 not tell me he passed. I had to find out 0:17:29.085 --> 0:17:33.085 from somebody else who called me and said, I'm so 0:17:33.125 --> 0:17:36.125 sorry to hear about your dad, and I said, I've 0:17:36.165 --> 0:17:41.245 know ide you were talking about. And they were obviously confused, 0:17:42.405 --> 0:17:45.245 and so I tried to call my dad and of 0:17:45.245 --> 0:17:47.485 course he didn't answer his phone, and then I called 0:17:47.525 --> 0:17:50.925 Lorenda and I was like, what's going on? She said, 0:17:50.925 --> 0:17:54.325 I'm sorry, I just didn't know how to tell you. Yeah, 0:17:54.645 --> 0:17:56.485 And I was like, what do you mean what You 0:17:56.525 --> 0:17:59.005 didn't know how to tell me what? And she was like, 0:17:59.045 --> 0:18:00.965 he didn't make it. And I was like, what what 0:18:00.965 --> 0:18:03.765 do you talk about? What do you mean he didn't 0:18:03.765 --> 0:18:06.325 make it? And then I just hung up on her 0:18:06.325 --> 0:18:08.125 because I was like, my first instinct was that she 0:18:08.205 --> 0:18:11.205 did something to him, But then you think, that's crazy. 0:18:11.365 --> 0:18:15.005 That doesn't happen to me, That doesn't happen to normal people. 0:18:15.365 --> 0:18:18.365 I thought, why would that happen? Things like this don't 0:18:18.365 --> 0:18:19.565 happen in real life. 0:18:19.565 --> 0:18:22.085 This is things you see on TV, And then of 0:18:22.125 --> 0:18:22.925 course I did. 0:18:24.965 --> 0:18:27.605 Ashley said that a few days later, she mentioned the 0:18:27.605 --> 0:18:30.445 life insurance policy, the one that she said her father 0:18:30.525 --> 0:18:33.325 had been talking to her about. She said that Lorenda 0:18:33.405 --> 0:18:37.205 told her she hadn't even started thinking about life insurance policies, 0:18:37.765 --> 0:18:40.605 but Ashley insists that she later found out that that 0:18:40.725 --> 0:18:41.405 wasn't the case. 0:18:41.885 --> 0:18:43.805 She said, well, let's just thought something I'm even thinking 0:18:43.845 --> 0:18:47.045 about or worrying about, and then come to find out 0:18:47.085 --> 0:18:50.485 she asked about it the next I mean the next 0:18:50.565 --> 0:18:54.405 day after him passing, before she even I knew he passed, 0:18:54.405 --> 0:18:57.285 she was already asking about the life insurance. So that 0:18:57.405 --> 0:18:58.925 was just something she whied about. 0:18:59.725 --> 0:19:03.485 William Vick was cremated, which Ashley said she knew her 0:19:03.485 --> 0:19:07.405 father wanted. But Ashley said that she was hurt when 0:19:07.485 --> 0:19:11.805 Lorenda and her children spread her father's ashes without her. 0:19:12.405 --> 0:19:15.685 He was only cremated, He never had services. He said 0:19:15.725 --> 0:19:18.205 that was not something he wanted. I'm sure he would 0:19:18.245 --> 0:19:20.685 have had a visitation, but she said, you know, it 0:19:20.805 --> 0:19:23.085 was not something he wanted. He wanted to be cremated, 0:19:23.085 --> 0:19:25.125 which I didn't know that he didn't want to be cremated. 0:19:25.685 --> 0:19:29.125 We got his ashes A while later. I said, I'm 0:19:29.125 --> 0:19:31.005 not ready for that yet, can we can? We just 0:19:31.005 --> 0:19:32.565 pulled off and she just did. 0:19:32.365 --> 0:19:34.925 It with her kids. She and her kids spread his 0:19:35.005 --> 0:19:38.245 ashes without me or my brothers. So all I have 0:19:38.485 --> 0:19:41.645 is the little jar, the heart shaped jar. She'd given me, 0:19:42.805 --> 0:19:45.045 and so I ended up giving my brothers some of 0:19:45.045 --> 0:19:45.725 those ashes. 0:19:47.125 --> 0:19:52.445 I'm sorry she didn't want to wait, he didn't. 0:19:52.605 --> 0:19:55.605 She just wanted to get rid of dashes. Yeah, she could, 0:19:57.165 --> 0:20:01.685 but it was not very long after we got his ashes. 0:20:01.685 --> 0:20:04.445 But I just wasn't ready to spreads with yours, but 0:20:04.685 --> 0:20:07.645 she was. They're legally hers. 0:20:07.725 --> 0:20:14.565 So Ashley talked about her father's sense of humor. William 0:20:14.645 --> 0:20:18.005 Vick had a YouTube channel, and in one of those videos, 0:20:18.005 --> 0:20:20.565 the one I mentioned earlier and actually the last one 0:20:20.605 --> 0:20:24.445 he posted, he was talking about true crime the Ronald 0:20:24.485 --> 0:20:28.165 Gene Simmons case. For the thirty fifth anniversary of the murders, 0:20:28.485 --> 0:20:32.285 William interviewed the lead investigator on the case, named Ray Caldwell. 0:20:32.925 --> 0:20:37.205 William also made short films about a dystopian future, and 0:20:37.285 --> 0:20:39.845 in some of his videos he talked about his insomnia 0:20:40.245 --> 0:20:43.285 and crack jokes. A lot of his riffs are straight 0:20:43.365 --> 0:20:47.085 to camera, wearing an Arkansas baseball cap and smiling. 0:20:47.765 --> 0:20:51.445 Everybody that's seen his videos and have heard my tackling 0:20:51.525 --> 0:20:54.925 laugh think we laughed just alike, which is not I'm 0:20:54.965 --> 0:20:56.685 getting used to laugh that way. I don't know what, 0:20:57.525 --> 0:20:59.085 I don't know my laugh, but it's just when my 0:20:59.165 --> 0:21:01.485 laugh really hard at some chef like his funny hyena 0:21:01.565 --> 0:21:04.925 laugh that he has, but a man who would crack 0:21:04.965 --> 0:21:05.485 each other up. 0:21:07.005 --> 0:21:10.285 At first, Ashley said she was somewhat numb after her 0:21:10.285 --> 0:21:13.725 father passed away, but it wasn't long before she began 0:21:13.805 --> 0:21:16.325 to notice things that she believed did not add up. 0:21:17.325 --> 0:21:19.925 One of the things that bothered her the most was 0:21:19.965 --> 0:21:23.725 realizing that Lorenda had not called nine one one, but 0:21:23.845 --> 0:21:25.525 instead called the coroner directly. 0:21:26.005 --> 0:21:27.285 She was like, well, I'm a nurse. I knew he 0:21:27.405 --> 0:21:29.125 was dead, okay, but you were a nurse and you 0:21:29.125 --> 0:21:31.085 didn't take up to the hospital when he was kicking blood. 0:21:31.725 --> 0:21:33.965 But you're a nurse enough to know that he was dead. 0:21:34.765 --> 0:21:37.165 I mean, in my panic, if even if I was 0:21:37.205 --> 0:21:40.565 a nurse and my bouse was dead on the ground, 0:21:40.605 --> 0:21:42.565 my first thought would be nine to one one, not 0:21:42.845 --> 0:21:45.845 let me google the coroner and call them directly. 0:21:46.885 --> 0:21:49.245 Then there was the fact that her father's body was 0:21:49.325 --> 0:21:52.845 already in full rigor mortis. Lorenda said she had not 0:21:52.885 --> 0:21:55.165 come in to check on William in over ten hours. 0:21:55.685 --> 0:21:58.485 Ashley wondered why, if he was sick, if he had 0:21:58.485 --> 0:22:02.165 been coughing up blood, why Lorenda would not take him 0:22:02.165 --> 0:22:06.605 to the hospital. Lorenda told the coroners investigator that William 0:22:06.645 --> 0:22:09.885 had high cholesterol and may have heart disease, but according 0:22:09.885 --> 0:22:12.725 to the medical examiner's report, there was no sign of 0:22:12.765 --> 0:22:16.205 heart disease. The coroner also noted there was no blood 0:22:16.285 --> 0:22:19.445 on William's bedroom floor, which they looked for because he 0:22:19.525 --> 0:22:23.045 had been vomiting blood days earlier. When they began a 0:22:23.085 --> 0:22:27.325 toxicology screen, they did find traces of drugs in William's system. 0:22:27.885 --> 0:22:31.805 Post mortan blood testing showed positive for tramadol, the prescription medicine, 0:22:31.845 --> 0:22:37.125 but also for lethal levels of lurazapam and massive quantities 0:22:37.165 --> 0:22:40.645 of morphine and codeine. The cause of death was listed 0:22:40.645 --> 0:22:46.045 as combined mixed prescription and illicit drug toxicity. William Vick 0:22:46.165 --> 0:22:48.925 was not suicidal. He was in good spirits. He was 0:22:48.965 --> 0:22:52.165 happy about life, and other than a routine operation, he 0:22:52.285 --> 0:22:56.965 really had absolutely nothing physically wrong with him. William's family 0:22:57.045 --> 0:22:59.005 did not believe that he had died of some sort 0:22:59.005 --> 0:23:03.005