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Speaker 1: dot Com. Problem solved, But Don Tyler Murray that defender

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Speaker 1: is in multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there?

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Speaker 1: Rights the latest news and notes from the guys who

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Speaker 1: covered the teams. Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on, Bring it on. Slammed the ground by

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Speaker 1: foota baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 1: I scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. Well, when we

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Speaker 1: start Cardinals undergroun talking about the real world instead of

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Speaker 1: talking about the sports world. You know, the reality of

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Speaker 1: the situation, the gravity of the situation is well, it's

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Speaker 1: unavoidable and something that we must discuss because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's really a privilege to exist in the sports world.

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Speaker 1: Really it's an alternate reality, it's an escape from the

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Speaker 1: real world. But again it's unavoidable when those two forces collide,

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Speaker 1: and the Arizona Cardinals have had just such a situation

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Speaker 1: in the last week or less. Paul CALVISI, Darren Irman,

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Speaker 1: Danny Serek, and of course we are talking about Jeff

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Speaker 1: Gladney on this edition of Cardinals Underground. And yes, there'll

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Speaker 1: be plenty of football to talk about as well, which

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Speaker 1: is something that Jeff Gladney did did very well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but to put his life in perspective, and it hit me, guys,

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Speaker 1: this wet of Jeff Gladney with the years of his

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Speaker 1: twenty two, and you know what I thought of I

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Speaker 1: see the dash and I think of Pat Tillman, both

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Speaker 1: in context of an Arizona Cardinals player. I know where

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Speaker 1: to be a Cardinals player as well. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: And we saw the team out there, and among those

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Speaker 1: This is You're not a had that conversation, right, I mean,

428
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Speaker 1: haven't they had their conversation. We're good, you talk about words.

429
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: We got the favorite phrase of the NFL day to day.

430
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: That's how things work. I mean, our our good friend

431
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Oudeguard, former former Underground Cohort tweeted out, by the way,

432
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Speaker 1: his full name is Kyle, I disagree. He tweeted out

433
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: today that, um, and I'm pretty sure I know where

434
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: this is coming from, which you could if you just

435
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: watch Kyle's tweets. He tweeted out today that it was

436
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: always the plan for Kyler and some of these other

437
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: vets to return on June first and then be here.

438
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: So we'll see, We'll see what happens. You know what,

439
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 1: Kyle needs to get on that cage match with the

440
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: agent and the GM. Kyle needs to get in on

441
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: that cage match. I'm just going to throw that out there.

442
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: Everyone can figure that out from themselves. If you look

443
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: over the NFL Network screen, Mike Garrafolo is over there

444
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: and you're wondering, geez, what's he saying because the screen

445
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: is on mute. Well, if I'm looking at it right,

446
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: Mike Garrafolo reported earlier today that Kyler Murray's returned to

447
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: the team is not an indication a contract extension is imminent,

448
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: but is instead a quote show of good faith that

449
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: discussions on a new deal will pick up. Is that

450
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: from the agent, I'd say yes, Yeah, that'd be my

451
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: guests on that one. It's not far off from what

452
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: we've heard from Steve Kim, though he's been very open

453
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: by saying late summer, late that that's when these deals are.

454
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: This is this is the interesting part of all this is, look,

455
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: Kyler's got Kyler's got leverage, and he doesn't have leverage

456
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Like he can talk about

457
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: not playing this year, and it would put the Cardinals

458
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: in a huge bind obviously if he decided not to.

459
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: But the Cardinals are in a little bit of a

460
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: bind themselves in terms of how they want to approach

461
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: this and the reality that if he's going to stick

462
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: around long term, he's going to need to get this extension.

463
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: But then if if the team says to Kyler, hey,

464
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: we appreciate you not being there and we'll talk, but

465
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: we need to see some of these things like we

466
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, like leadership, and some of that

467
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: would include being around in the off season. You know,

468
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: then you you don't. You're not telling a guy that

469
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: he has to be at voluntary. But if you're saying

470
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Speaker 1: one of the things we want to do for a

471
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Speaker 1: forty million dollars year quarterback is see this leadership, which

472
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Speaker 1: would include kind of offseason kind of stuff. I mean,

473
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: you can connect the dots if you're Kyler. You know

474
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: what else we wanted to see. We wanted to see

475
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Speaker 1: number one throw to number two. We wanted to see

476
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Speaker 1: Kyler Hollywood Brown. And you're smiling, because that does put

477
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: a smile on everyone's face, does it not? Danny Well?

478
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: I saw them chatting up on the field, and not

479
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: just because you know, quarterback wide receiver, but these are

480
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: long term friends, so I think they're both going to

481
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun. It was fun to see

482
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown out there wearing number two. I feel like

483
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: we're okay to say hollywod Brown. When Rondelmore was asked

484
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Speaker 1: if he calls him Marquise or Hollywood, he says both,

485
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: So I feel like we're good to interchange between. I

486
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: enjoyed yesterday because on the Red Sea Report I was

487
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: on with Craig Grielow and Drew Stanton, and Drew kept

488
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: calling him Hollywood, and Craig kept calling him Marquise, and

489
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: finally Drew called him out on that, and he's like,

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Speaker 1: are you not comfortable calling him Hollywood? I was not

491
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: comfortable on Draft night until the owner of Michael Bidwell,

492
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: he was calling him Hollywood. That's all he called him

493
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: up on stage in front of The Red Seed the

494
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Speaker 1: Draft Brew. I'm like, well, okay, the owners, I mean, now,

495
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: the owner can do things. Obviously I can do I mean,

496
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, if he's comfortable. And they just sensibly met.

497
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Speaker 1: And again, for those who don't know, Hollywood refers to

498
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Speaker 1: his hometown to Hollywood, Florida. Not that he's some showy

499
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: Holly would but he does wear a diamond necklace with

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Speaker 1: the word Hollywood. I didn't say it's not showy, I said,

501
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: so he welcomes it. He realizes it's part of his

502
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: personal branding, so feel free. According to I asked him

503
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: right where you're sitting Danny in an episode of The

504
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, Okay, what do you prefer we call you?

505
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: And he said, you can call me the one doesn't matter.

506
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: I totally welcome Hollywood. Darren. When's your birthday? Should we

507
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: get you a shiny necklace that says your name on it?

508
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: What about a nickname? August thirty First's right? Do you

509
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: have any good, appropriate nicknames for us to put on

510
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: a necklace for you? Any nice nicknames? Look just because

511
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: you call me all kinds of horrible things behind the scenes. Danny.

512
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Speaker 1: We're not bickering, Paul. He already has tattoos. He doesn't

513
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: need a necklace. Okay. So I mean that tattoo thing

514
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: briefly came up with being in the playoffs, and that

515
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: fell apart real quick, didn't it, Paul? What did happen

516
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: on that? Oh? If they won? What was what was

517
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: the gist there? What was the circumstance where you would

518
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Speaker 1: have gotten a tattoo real quick, real quick, really real quick,

519
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: last offseason, a four or last playoff run, not this

520
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: past one. But when the Suns made it to the

521
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: finals that year, Felipe had put out that he if

522
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: the Suns won, they u Felipe Crawl put out that

523
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: if if Sons one, he was going to get a

524
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: tattoo about it, And I said, are you sure you

525
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: want to do this? This is on Twitter? You sure

526
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: you want to do this? He said, are you going

527
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: to join me? And then Lisa Matthews decided to put

528
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: out a tweet saying a thousand retweets and Darren gets

529
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: a tattoo, which a lot of people thought meant I

530
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: was going to get a tattoo at a thousand retweets,

531
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: no matter what, because that did get a thousand retweets.

532
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: But the problem was Larry got involved. Larry saw Lisa's

533
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: tweet and retweeted it and multiple times try to goose

534
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: it so it got more. Oh wait, it got retweets.

535
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean as soon as Larry got I got a

536
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: friend who who who started doing some photo shopping after

537
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: Larry said I should get them on the neck. It

538
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: was it was a thing. Yeah, um so okay, the

539
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: Kyler extension, Um, I did think it was sort of interesting.

540
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: The Garifolo reported if you really parse the words and

541
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: how him saying a show of good faith that discussions

542
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: and a new deal will pick up. Does that mean

543
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: discussions have stalled? What exactly does that mean? We have

544
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: no idea. I'm probably reading a little bit too much

545
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: into that. Don't hurt yourself on yeah, Paul, So let's

546
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: go with some more low hanging fruit. Any other extensions

547
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: that you guys think you'll see the Cardinals get done

548
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: before the season begins. I mean, I don't know, I

549
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: don't know if the ones that are gonna get done,

550
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: but I mean you start looking at guys like Okay,

551
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: should they get done? DJ Humphries, what are you gonna

552
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: do with Byron Murphy? Jayalen Thompson, Jayleen Thompson. Is that

553
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden in a he is He's in the second

554
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: second of a two year deal? Yep. Yeah, there's a

555
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: lot of guys who are J. J. Watt Right? J J. Watt,

556
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean a Zach Allen Allen. You know you mentioned

557
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy Hollywood. Now he's got two years to go.

558
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: But so, yeah, there's some other But I'm guessing you

559
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: can't answer that question until you get the quarterback contract done.

560
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: I would think unless you have a number slot. Sure,

561
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're talking to multiple people at the same time.

562
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: You know they're they're not. I'm sure if an agent

563
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: is coming to them, they're not saying no, no, no,

564
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: not yet. Now, that might not be their priority, but

565
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that even with Kyler, talks would really stall.

566
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure it ebbs and flows to a certain degree,

567
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: but I'm sure that they're in pretty constant communication with

568
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: all this. The thing about the Kyler deal is if

569
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: you do it the right way, I mean, if you're

570
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: truly going to give him a big extension, you're probably

571
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: going to lower his cap number for the next couple

572
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: of years. Then it's going to explode and be painful,

573
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: but for the next couple of years it'll probably get

574
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: a little bit lower. I mean, right now, his cap

575
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: number is almost thirty million dollars for next year, not

576
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three if he doesn't

577
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: get an extension and he's got a thirty million dollars cap,

578
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: but you can probably get that lower for the time being.

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00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is now and as we've gotten

580
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: to the beginning of June, they buy another ten million

581
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: dollars a cap space because of Jordan Phillips split up

582
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: his June first cap hit, so that also benefits them.

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00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: That was a sliver of good news and easy Cardinals

584
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: dot Com. I didn't quite realize that, or at least

585
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: I forgot about it, so you sort of broke that

586
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: down right, Darren. So now that Jordan Phillips, it's post

587
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: June first, even though he's released earlier where they allow

588
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: teams to do that now, so God doesn't actually have

589
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: to sit on the roster physically, you know, until June first,

590
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: he has his other options. Jordan Phillips has gone elsewhere since.

591
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: But now you get to enjoy the ten million dollars

592
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: in cap room that cutting him created, right because the

593
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: way that a short thing, the way the rule works

594
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: his Jordan, for example, Jordan phillips cap hit this year,

595
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: if he had stayed on the team, would have been

596
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: thirteen point three million dollars. They cut him, and what

597
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: they'd able to do is that just by cutting him,

598
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: they trimm some of that. And then but if you

599
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: keep the entire thirteen point three on your cap all

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00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: the way up until June first, even though he was

601
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: cut in mid March, you can then spread it out

602
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: over two years. So it goes from thirteen point three

603
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: million two down to three point three million this year,

604
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: So you save ten point three and I think some

605
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: of that goes away completely, and then you have another

606
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 1: five point nine million in cap hit for twenty twenty three. Yep,

607
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now, and that's via over

608
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: thecap dot com. So there was a dead cap hit

609
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: next year. But look, I've said it before, I'll say

610
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: it again. I think it's one of the reasons that

611
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals didn't go all in. You know, they didn't scream

612
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: cannon ball and make a big splash and the deep

613
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: end of the pool there wasn't Steve come off the

614
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: high dive because the hot stove they touched that was

615
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips and they got burned. There was seventeen or

616
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: eighteen million spent for seventeen games played over a two

617
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: year span. And if you do a lot of the homework,

618
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: you do a lot of the history of big time,

619
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: big money free agency sign on day one or day two,

620
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of return on investment. At

621
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: least there's been enough failures more often than not that

622
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: it makes teams apprehensive. And I do believe that was

623
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: the Cardinals approach going into this offseason. There was a

624
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: cause and effect and right there leading that parade was

625
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips and the failure that was that free agent

626
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: investment from a couple of years ago. So okay, there

627
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: you go. Speaking of defense Vans Joseph met the media.

628
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't know Danny. A few takeaways from from what

629
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: we heard from him. Him talking about you know, Zaven

630
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: Collins and Isaiah Simmons was interesting and he fully admitted that,

631
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, Salmon Collins has a lot on his play

632
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like they're given the green dot in the

633
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: play calling duties to anyone else. It's gonna be on

634
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: the second year MIC linebacker and Vans Joseph was talking

635
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: about how much mentally he's been seeing Zaven Collins work

636
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of months to step in and fill

637
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: that role that was filled by Jordan Hicks last season,

638
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: because that that's what we were told, was Zaven, you

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Speaker 1: know to mentally see what's going on in front of

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Speaker 1: you and make quick decisions and the defense that wasn't

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Speaker 1: there last year. So that's what Saban's been working on.

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Speaker 1: That's what they are asking of him by letting Jordan

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Speaker 1: Hicks leave in free agency. I did think what was

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Speaker 1: interesting with Isaiah Simmons. It was asked by a media

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Speaker 1: member because during the open portion of OTAs on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: when the media was out there, Isaiah Simmons was spending

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Speaker 1: a lot of time with the DBS and somebody asked,

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Speaker 1: if you know as a hybrid player, they were planning

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Speaker 1: on using Simmons in more of a safety role more

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Speaker 1: this year, and Vance immediately shut the down said, nope,

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Speaker 1: he's a linebacker, same as last year, so he's just

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Speaker 1: getting reps. But I thought that was kind of interesting too.

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Speaker 1: When talking about Isaiah Simmons. Can I say this though,

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Speaker 1: you can say whatever you want, but it's a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Don't play poker with Vance Joe, So I would agree

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Speaker 1: with that. He said that before. He said that in

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons rookie year. Oh, we're not going to use

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Speaker 1: them like they did at Clemson. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: You can't handle five or six positions in the NFL.

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00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: That's the college game. This is the NFL game. And

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Speaker 1: by the end of the year he had played five

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Speaker 1: or six positions his rookie season, and so there was

663
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Speaker 1: some sandbagging going on there. We'll see, we'll see. Especially

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Speaker 1: this is just if the Cardinals have a need off

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Speaker 1: the edge dot dot dot this year. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: shocked if you see Isaiah Simmons and some of these

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Speaker 1: exotic blitz schemes on third and long and here comes

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons off the edge like they did at times

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Speaker 1: a year ago. Well, and it only makes sense to

670
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Speaker 1: me because if you do things like that, because what

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Speaker 1: are we expecting this year out of this pass rush?

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Speaker 1: What we're expecting having to scheme it up a little

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Speaker 1: bit because you don't have the singular talent of a

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones or a Nick Bosa or whoemever we wanted

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00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: to Khalil mac whoever we want to talk about. So

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Speaker 1: you're figuring there's going to be a little bit more scheming.

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Speaker 1: So if there's going to be more scheming, then you

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Speaker 1: do involve guys from other places and from other positions

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00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: being in places that they aren't normally or blitzes or

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00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. And Isaiah Simmons does make sense

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Speaker 1: in that regard, and I there's actually a part that

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Speaker 1: Zaven Collins fits there too, I think. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Vance Joseph was very complimentary the step that Isaiah Simmons

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Speaker 1: took in year two, said, you know, he needs to

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Speaker 1: continue that evolution in year three. And I'm looking now

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Speaker 1: at the log from the press conference, and he also

687
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: made it and I wrote this down. He said, look,

688
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Speaker 1: he now has to make consistent plays and not give

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Speaker 1: up plays. That's his next challenge. That's according to Vance Joseph.

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Speaker 1: And that might have been why I'm guessing that his

691
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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus grade, for example, was not all that

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Speaker 1: high a year ago. Isaiah Simmons, even though he seemingly

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00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: was all over the field and really was a dynamic force,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have the highest grade by PF. So maybe

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00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: there's some of that that factors in. Now, whether they're

696
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Speaker 1: able to actually gauge that from such an inside perspective,

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Speaker 1: A lot of players would say otherwise, But there's that.

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Speaker 1: And then I thought it was interesting him just talking

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Speaker 1: about Zaban and saying, look, the defense is easy enough

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Speaker 1: for him to call and for him to make adjustments

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00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: and the checks, but I can't make it so easy

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00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: that it's going to hinder us as a defense. It's

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00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: still the NFL, right, you still have to have a

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00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: complex of enough scheme to keep the offense guessing and

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00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: it can't be that predictable and so much of it

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Speaker 1: tell So that's the challenge I would presume if your

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Speaker 1: vance Joseph with the a young mic linebackers, Zamon Collins

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Speaker 1: and then trying to get that consistency out of Isaiah Simmons,

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Speaker 1: and look if they die, Isaiah Simmons up in different spots.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, Danny's out with the DBS, and we've

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00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: seen that before, and we've seen a lot of that

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Speaker 1: in training camp for the last couple of years. A

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Speaker 1: guy like Nick Vigil, I'm guessing, is probably gonna get

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Speaker 1: snaps and there'll be a lot of packages where the

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Speaker 1: veteran linebacker from the Vikings will be someone who gets

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Speaker 1: playing time. I would not be shocked by that, just

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Speaker 1: based on last year and all the different inside linebackers

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00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: who saw time for Vance Joseph. So and I think

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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting too. It sounds crazy. I hadn't really

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Speaker 1: thought about when Vance Joseph was saying this is the

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Speaker 1: first real off season, Isaiah Simmons will have like, it's

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00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: not just play who are coming off their rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Who's it's players going into year three now who are

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00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: finally getting that first true off season, which is where

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00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: you can make a lot of those steps, not just

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00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: physically but mentally as you grow. So hopefully that will

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00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: bode well Frisay as well. By the way, speaking to

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Speaker 1: the defensive front, I'm looking at you two. I think

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00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: you both need a hot take, So here we go.

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Speaker 1: Hot Take time at Cardinals Underground, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Pacific Office Automation. You know who is now available in

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Speaker 1: name I've brought up in the off season so far,

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Speaker 1: I've been completely shut out and most of the guys

734
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Speaker 1: that I have named have not listening to you in

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Speaker 1: the front office. Paul Juju Smith, Schuster, Will Fuller. I

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Speaker 1: mean these guys, you know that, Carlos Bowney, Clowney, Carlos Dunlap.

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Speaker 1: How about Endomic and Sue who is now officially available

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Speaker 1: after the Buccaneers went big money with a Cheam Hicks

739
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Speaker 1: And so now you have Endomic and Sue who was

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Speaker 1: out on the open market. What do you think could

741
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Speaker 1: that be a kind time sign? How old is he? Now,

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00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I'm thinking he's like thirty four.

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Speaker 1: But let me You know I do have is his durability.

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00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: You know, he's the only defensive player in the NFL

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00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: to play at all one hundred sixty one game since

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Speaker 1: two twelve. He hasn't missed a game in his career

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00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: since two eleven. Of course, that was the two game

748
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: suspension for the stomping, but other than that, he's been

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00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: very available and durable. He's thirty five years old. There

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Speaker 1: you go. I would I would take him for one

751
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: year if he was willing to come here, But how

752
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: much is it going to cost? And does this interest him.

753
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: It's one thing to go sign with a Bucks with

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00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and feeling like you're on the edge of

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00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. I think there's a little bit more

756
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: of a of a jump here with making that big

757
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: of a push this office this season. Yeah, you don't

758
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: want to Terrell Suggs. You don't want a T sizzle

759
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: situation that did not work out. Well, no it did not.

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00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: You got about one month of production out of that

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00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: and then yeah, he checked out. So okay, what do

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00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: you remember about the Terrell Suggs Cardinals era? There? Danny?

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to throw me under the bus for

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00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: something here, Darren? No, it was just a question. I

765
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: thought you wanted to say something. Danny's head is on

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00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: a swivel, and rightfully so I don't have anything nice

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00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: to say, So I'm not going to say anything at all, Darren.

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00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: You know, like that stopped you before talking to me.

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Speaker 1: By the way, is it too early? Is it too

770
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: early to talk about the Cardinals first opponent Week one

771
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: matchup against Kansas City? I say it's never too early

772
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: to talk about Arizona against Kansas City, because you know,

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00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, the buzz at a chief's camp right now, OTAs,

774
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even say camp, just OTAs obviously is George

775
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: Carr Loftus and his endless effort during off season practices.

776
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: Quoting coach Andy Reid, he goes one hundred miles an

777
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: hour walk through is everything we had to slow him down.

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00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: He moves around well when he's in space. He's got

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00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: good hands, it looks like, but the motor is probably

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00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: the thing that jumps out yet you he goes, and

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00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: he goes George carl Loftus, who, by the way, was

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Speaker 1: on the board. It was drafted thirtieth overalls by the

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Speaker 1: Kent City Chiefs, And so there you go. That's something

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Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are gonna have to account for in

785
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Speaker 1: week one. Chris Jones, the game wrecking interior defensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: Frank Clark, who's a problem when he wants to be.

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Speaker 1: And now George karloftis of the Chiefs, So you're you're

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Speaker 1: assuming he's going to be something they got to deal

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Speaker 1: with because Andy Reid said after a couple of OTAs

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Speaker 1: that he's good. I'm going to take a page from

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Speaker 1: the book you guys have been preaching to me all podcasts,

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00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: which is they're just words. Of course they're going to

793
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Speaker 1: say that about your first round draft. Let's speaking of words,

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Speaker 1: let's go let's have Danny talk about her question to

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham today, which was one of the most fantastic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a good question. It was fine. I mean

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Speaker 1: it was I just asked Calvin Beacham being around rookies

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line, Lucida Smith, Marquis Hayes. I know

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Speaker 1: it's early with OTAs, but what were early impressions of

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Speaker 1: the two of them? And I told him I appreciated

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Speaker 1: the transparency, because Calvin laughed a little bit. He goes,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you right now, everyone's just numbers and pads.

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00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: I just got here. I haven't had a chance to

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00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: really meet with anyone. And I was like, you know what,

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00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate the honesty as opposed you just saying stuff

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Speaker 1: to say stuff, because the reality is Kelvin Beetram hasn't

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Speaker 1: been here until literally today, So it was still a

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00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: good question. I'm not going to let you gaslight me

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Speaker 1: into saying it was a bad question. I would never

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Speaker 1: gaslate you ever. Well, look, Bickerson's here's the reality. The

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Speaker 1: reality is that until the pads go on. You really

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00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: don't know about any rookie lineman. You don't know about

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00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: a rookie period, but especially a rookie lineman. I know

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Speaker 1: you can have first impressions. It was all I was asking.

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Speaker 1: Paul just said that. I was saying, George karloftis somebody

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Speaker 1: that got to deal with. But if he's a speed

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Speaker 1: rusher and he's going one hundred miles an hour, I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just trying to give

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Speaker 1: you a little scutter report on the week one matchup

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Speaker 1: against the Chiefs. You know. And by the way, Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: you want to know what he's saying about losing tie

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Speaker 1: Reek Hill. I saw this as well. He's saying that

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Speaker 1: now the Kansas City passing offense won't be as predictable

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Speaker 1: because almost all the deep targets went to Tyreek Hill,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the stuff in the seams and

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Speaker 1: across the middle obviously went to Travis Kelsey. But now

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Speaker 1: with Juju Smith Schuster and Mark zvald Is, Scandling and

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Speaker 1: sky More and this kid that they got from Tampa

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Speaker 1: who's been a sensation. Justin Watson, former Bucks receiver boom.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to just educate everyone here on the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: matchup in week one. I mean, that's probably a true statement.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it's better. It's probably right, but it's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily better to not have Tyreek Hill. But touche You're

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I can't really dispute that. So there you

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Speaker 1: go on that front. What else was it? What else

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Speaker 1: stood out to you from the press conferences? By the way,

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Beecham, wasn't the trust tree with the media, wasn't he?

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Speaker 1: He pretty much just said it as it was more

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Speaker 1: than once with the media, Kelvin Beecham. So that's good,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's what we want. When are we getting

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Speaker 1: back to the locker room? By the way, when is

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00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: that going to happen? When? Yeah, Darren, Yeah it's going on.

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00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: I already going in the locker room. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: toss this softball. I'm going to turn on it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm my guessing. And Paul, you remember this pre covid

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Speaker 1: if we can remember that far back, um locker the

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Speaker 1: locker room was never opened for OTAs. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I think they opened it in Mini camp. So I'm

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Speaker 1: curious to know if they opened it in mini camp,

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Speaker 1: but OTAs was always a set up situation. Um. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the interviews were outside in the direct sun a lot

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Speaker 1: of time. So I'm not going to complain too much

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Speaker 1: about this situation. Um, we'll see what they do in

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Speaker 1: mini camp. It still might be but I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping training camp gets back to normal. But Kelvin

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Speaker 1: was pretty funny. His immediate answer, so, I don't even

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Speaker 1: think whoever was asking the question if they could fully

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Speaker 1: finish asking the question, are you excited about hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: coming in immediately was no. Yes. That was when someone

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Speaker 1: said why not? He was seeing you to the locker

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Speaker 1: room in the meeting rooms as a safe spaces and

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Speaker 1: now you kind of have to have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a filter. He said, you know, he's never been

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Speaker 1: around Hard Knocks, he's never even watched it, and what

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Speaker 1: we've heard from players and coaches, maybe this is the

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Speaker 1: boost they will need to get past that second half

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Speaker 1: slump that they've been falling in that they've been falling into.

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Speaker 1: So but that was pretty funny as well. His immediate no,

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Speaker 1: not excited for hard knocks as opposed to as opposed

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Speaker 1: to Von Karnard, who on Big Red Rage and this

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Speaker 1: will air on Thursday night. I asked him about hard

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Speaker 1: Knocks and and he said, well, I'm ready now because

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Speaker 1: I did the broadcast boot camps, so bring on the cameras.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready now because I did the NFL Network broadcast

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Speaker 1: boot camps. So he's even more equipped for the cameras

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Speaker 1: being around to Von Karnard. So there you go. By

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Speaker 1: the way, he was excellent in the interview, And um,

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Speaker 1: I think we all need to have our head on

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Speaker 1: a swivel because DK is coming for one of our

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Speaker 1: gigs once he's done playing. He's in year nine. And

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Speaker 1: although he didn't give any stock tips, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: really involved in the business like Larry Fitzgerald outside the game.

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Speaker 1: So you almost thought the whole interview get derailed on that.

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Speaker 1: Though oh I would have absolutely, yeah, I would have

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Speaker 1: if he would have shared. But he wasn't given in

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Speaker 1: any of his big investment advice. So that was too bad.

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Speaker 1: I thought everybody could have benefited. Well, substitute du to

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Speaker 1: my lash for DK. How about that? Right? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I like it better when you guys are bickering. Actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's actually better around here. So okay,

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Speaker 1: So Darren, anything else you need to tell us that

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Speaker 1: we don't know because you have to access that we

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Speaker 1: don't have. Is there anything else that you need to

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Speaker 1: share with us that we're not aware of around here?

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Speaker 1: And Cardinals underground? I mean, I think we cover the

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Speaker 1: big topics right now. And you know, again, I think

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Speaker 1: this goes back to what we were talking about in

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Speaker 1: terms of what is said about what's going on right now.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the offseason. There's a lot that still has

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Speaker 1: to go on. I think there's a benefit somewhat intangibly,

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Speaker 1: some tangible in terms of what they're doing right now.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I do have this Mike Tomlin quote.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fitting and we'll end on this because

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Speaker 1: I think it is more representative of what Darren saying

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Speaker 1: and Hollywood Danny's trying to tell me. And that is

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin asked by the Pittsburgh media the other day

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Speaker 1: about the quarterback battle between Mason Rudolph, Mitch Rubisky and

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Speaker 1: the rookie Kenny Pickett and coach Tomlin. Just bottom line

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Speaker 1: with only that Coach Tomlin type of stare looking through

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Speaker 1: the media is saying quote, nobody's going to win a

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Speaker 1: job or a loser job out here in shorts in May.

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Speaker 1: And he let that hang like we do on this

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