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Speaker 1: We welcome you back to Indianapolis, Indiana and the Official

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Speaker 1: Titans Podcast, better known as the OTP. Mike Keith with

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Speaker 1: Amy Wells. Hello Mike, how are you doing so good?

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Speaker 1: I love the combine. Let's take a tour of the

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Speaker 1: AFC South on today's OTP. Great and let's begin with

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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars six and ten a year ago under

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Speaker 1: Doug Morone, new offensive coordinator Jay Gruden, defensive coordinator Todd Wash.

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Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin is no longer there, there is question about

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Speaker 1: who the quarterback is. They have picks nine and twenty

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Speaker 1: in the first round, forty two and seventy three in

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Speaker 1: the second and third round. And here to take us

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Speaker 1: through more of the details is the longtime voice of

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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars, Frank Francie. Thanks for joining us, Mike,

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Speaker 1: it's great to be with you, and Amy, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me on it. In Chili. Kind of chilly here,

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Speaker 1: and Nashville gets cold. Florida doesn't sound cold. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk the decision for Kaughlun to depart and Dave Caldwell

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Speaker 1: steps really back up as the GM. He was still

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Speaker 1: the GM before, but really in name only, and they

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Speaker 1: and they hang on to Doug Morone. Do you notice,

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Speaker 1: even with only one change in the leadership structure, a

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Speaker 1: shift in the Jags. Yeah, that's a great question, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I don't people. I don't think people know yet what

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Speaker 1: to expect. It happened in season, but toward the end

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Speaker 1: of the season. I think it's streamlined a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. The paradigm is interesting. In the chain of command.

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Speaker 1: Doug Maron doesn't report to Dave Caldwell. Doug and Dave

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Speaker 1: individually report to Shadkhan, the owner, and that's that's the plan.

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Speaker 1: And so I think they want to streamline it a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I think they feel like there was some

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Speaker 1: magic before. Certainly it worked before, so let's try and

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Speaker 1: refine this a little. But I don't know that anyone

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Speaker 1: knows exactly how it's going to go. Just be an honest.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have a great feel for it.

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Speaker 1: It's a very important year. It's a very I think

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Speaker 1: everybody knows. I think Dave would tell you. I think

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Speaker 1: Doug would tell you it's a you have to win

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Speaker 1: now year for those guys, and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in the community thought they should have rebooted the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: They chose not to. Dave and Doug know that. So

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Speaker 1: it's a very important year for the Jags. There was

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Speaker 1: a lot of we'll call it confusion over what was

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Speaker 1: going to happen with the leadership structure within the Jags.

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Speaker 1: How was that maybe received by fans in Jacksonville. Some

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Speaker 1: of that unknow, Just to jump in on that, the

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Speaker 1: confusion is there was a national report that Doug Brone

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Speaker 1: had been told he was fired. Correct. I'll go to

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Speaker 1: the let me go big picture ten thousand feet. It

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Speaker 1: was a weird year. I mean, think about this. You're

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Speaker 1: really good in two seventeen, you're five minutes from the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, probably should have won that game. You come

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Speaker 1: back at eighteen and you think you're going to be

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Speaker 1: pretty good. You got a lot of guys heard porn

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Speaker 1: very good. So you spend eighty eight million dollars on

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, eighty eight fifty amy fifty million guaranteed on

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Speaker 1: this quarterback, and he gets hurt eleven plays into your season.

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Speaker 1: Eleven plays. Then this rookie comes along who's so compelling

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Speaker 1: and so exciting and twenty one touchdowns in six picks.

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Speaker 1: But then you lose Jalen Ramsey because Jalen doesn't want

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Speaker 1: front office and Dante Fowler. It's I'm ten, I've did

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Speaker 1: this a long time. It's the strangest year I've ever

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Speaker 1: been around. So I think to answer your question, fans

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Speaker 1: weren't sure what to think. They didn't know what to think,

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Speaker 1: and now the Copslin thing happens at the end. Here's

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Speaker 1: my take. Tom Copslin was brought in not as the

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Speaker 1: of decisions. I don't think Tom said draft this guy,

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Speaker 1: or maybe no no. I don't think he coached the team.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he picked the players. I think he

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Speaker 1: But I think he was the overseer that the final

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Speaker 1: the final read on the story. And so what's happened

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Speaker 1: now is I don't think Dave makes decisions any differently.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Doug coaches any differently. I think there's

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Speaker 1: Fans don't know what to make of it. None of

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Speaker 1: But I don't think anybody knows what to make of

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Speaker 1: I liked the room, Mike. I liked the quarterback room.

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Speaker 1: I don't forget the guy won a Super Bowl and

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Speaker 1: he's a good player. He came back probably a little

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Speaker 1: run for two hundred yards. He throws for two hundred

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Speaker 1: seventy six yards against you guys, and we lose because

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry run for seven thousand yards in one game. So, okay,

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Speaker 1: we haven't tackled him yet. One day we're gonna tackle

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Speaker 1: Derek Henry. Okay. So, but the point is, can't stop

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Speaker 1: You gotta protect, someone said, well, the truth is they

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Speaker 1: had to play Minsheu because he's more mobile and you

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Speaker 1: can't protect. So if you can't protect, you gotta play Minshew.

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Speaker 1: So so it doesn't matter. I think they're both good players.

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Speaker 1: I think Minshu did some really good things. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody knows that well. And Gardner Minshew was

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Speaker 1: a compelling player, as you had said, both as a

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Speaker 1: in on that decision, The personality of someone like that,

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Speaker 1: it's a great question. The presence in the community, the

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Speaker 1: the glasses and all the stuff. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: But this fan base has had so much bad happen

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Speaker 1: they want him to be the quarterback. Now that that's

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Speaker 1: not going to affect the decision. But it's in there,

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Speaker 1: Isn't it right? It's in there, it really is, So

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Speaker 1: he's not playing, it's a weird deal. Money wise, you

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Speaker 1: got to clear some room. How many different things are

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Speaker 1: would bring Marcel Darius back at twenty million. He's a

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Speaker 1: would I think it'd be hard to bring those guys back.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that free agency is where the Jonville

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Speaker 1: Jaguars are going to fill some of those holes and

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I think they're gonna try

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Speaker 1: you gotta build through the draft. They picked ninth and twentieth.

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Speaker 1: That's why we're here, because they had two picks in

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Speaker 1: it's gonna sound crazy. As bad as they were last year,

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Speaker 1: last two years, they believe they've got some pieces. They

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen is going to be special. I will tell

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Speaker 1: do with Yanni king Quay, I think you gotta pay him.

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Speaker 1: He's a really good player, but he did hurt him

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Speaker 1: their very good players. Give me your top three needs

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Speaker 1: tight ends. You gotta have a tight end. What about

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Speaker 1: the Hooper guy in Atlanta's gonna make it free agent?

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Speaker 1: Would love to pay him to give him the Saint

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Speaker 1: John's River. I would give him half the stadium the

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Speaker 1: um they needed. They need a veteran tight end, so

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Speaker 1: free agency, mic I would say tight end. Other than that,

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Speaker 1: they've got to build the trenches. You watched. You watched

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry run against him. We've watched other guys run

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Speaker 1: against them. I think I said this before picks nine twenty,

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Speaker 1: I'm serious about that. I don't care if they're offensive

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Speaker 1: I think tight end one trenches on both sides, Mike two,

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Speaker 1: at least for me. How many pieces away? I know

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Speaker 1: you talked about areas and need, but realistic you've talked

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Speaker 1: funny thing about that is if the quarterback plays well, Amy,

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Speaker 1: know what the right word is, accommodate or a welcome

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Speaker 1: in more big dollar free agent. So I think the

425
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Speaker 1: Colts are gonna make a little bit more of a

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Speaker 1: splash this offseason, both in free agency and the draft.

427
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Speaker 1: Like I said, some point in the draft, I think

428
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Speaker 1: a quarterback comes to the Colts. Matt Taylor, Voice of

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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts, thank you for stopping by my pleasure

430
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Speaker 1: home here in Indianapolis, and we look forward to dinner

431
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Speaker 1: Friday night. At anytime we've hit Jacksonville, we've hit the Colts,

432
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Speaker 1: and now we're talking about the Houston Texans. With the

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Speaker 1: voice of the Texans, Mark vander Meer, thank you for

434
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Speaker 1: joining Amy and me. We appreciate it. Last but not least,

435
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Speaker 1: I hope that's exactly how we look at it. Another

436
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Speaker 1: ten and six, another division championship. A lot of good

437
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: things have happened for the Houston Texans in recent years.

438
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: Same fate we did, ran into the Kansas City Chiefs. Yes,

439
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: had a lead like we did. It wasn't good for

440
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: you either, No, it wasn't. It wasn't our favorite, but

441
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 1: still another successful season and a year where you know,

442
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: there were some things that went against the Houston Texans,

443
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: had some injuries, fought back and found a way to

444
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Speaker 1: win the division. Probably one of the more gratifying years

445
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 1: that you've covered the team. Well, I think up until

446
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: that last game, right, because every year is different. Bill

447
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: O'Brien always says this, and it is for every team.

448
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: You look at some of the records, they might end

449
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: up the same, but how you get there, the path

450
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: to get there, as you well know. So I thought

451
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: this year had some really great things because they beat

452
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs on the road in the regular season, They

453
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Speaker 1: beat the Patriots at home for the first time in

454
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Speaker 1: ten years. They beat New England and that was a

455
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 1: huge game on a Sunday night, awesome, went to London

456
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Speaker 1: blew out the Jags. That was a great trip. So

457
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: there were some memorable moments for sure, went out to

458
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Speaker 1: the Chargers and beat them out there, which at the

459
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Speaker 1: time it was Week three was it felt like a

460
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Speaker 1: bigger win than it turned out to be. But beating

461
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: really good quarterbacks has been a problem in the O'Brien era,

462
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Speaker 1: and they finally got over the hump in many ways

463
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Speaker 1: this year doing that. Now, the problem was you lost

464
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Speaker 1: to Kyle Allen and the Carolina Panthers. You lost to

465
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: Drew Locke and the Denver Broncos a week after the

466
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: nice win over the Patriots, so there was some inconsistency.

467
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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, Tenants win the division,

468
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Speaker 1: rock and roll, and here we are on the postseason

469
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: down against Buffalo, came back to win an overtime, and

470
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Speaker 1: then the disaster against the Chiefs. And I call it

471
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Speaker 1: that because within the context of that game, when you're

472
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Speaker 1: up twenty four to not think, you hope you don't

473
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Speaker 1: lose by twenty, which is what it turned out to be.

474
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Speaker 1: But glass half full, glasses eighty percent full, Mike and Amy,

475
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,479
Speaker 1: this is a wonderful era of Texans football. You got

476
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, you got a really good team. You can

477
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Speaker 1: reload every year and consider yourself a contender, not only

478
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Speaker 1: for the division, but maybe for the whole AFC being

479
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Speaker 1: consistent division winners. What is it going to take for

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Speaker 1: Houston to make that jump to achieving the goals that

481
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they want to achieve. Well, I think that

482
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Speaker 1: you look at the Titans run, you know, you have

483
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Speaker 1: to get hot, you have to have something going for yourself.

484
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Speaker 1: I think that with the Titans, it kind of reminded

485
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: me of like an NHL playoff run where you have

486
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Speaker 1: a really hot goalie. You know, you have Derrek Henry

487
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: and the difference he made performing at that level for

488
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: that team, the way Tannehill was operating, and you got hot,

489
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Speaker 1: you beat New England, you beat then it was awesome.

490
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: And it's funny because when you look at it on paper,

491
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Speaker 1: it's like all you gotta all you gotta do is

492
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 1: win two games and you're in the ABC Championship game.

493
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: You get a shot, right and if you win that third,

494
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: well look where you are from there. But as we

495
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: all know, these are giant mountains to climb every week

496
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: when you're in the postseason, and the Titans were able

497
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Speaker 1: to do it, I think the Texans have to get

498
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Speaker 1: on a role like that. Win consecutive playoff games. What's

499
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Speaker 1: it gonna take. You're gonna have to have more clutch play.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have a way to look offensively.

501
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just have to take over the game, even

502
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Speaker 1: when your defense isn't playing well. You have to matriculate

503
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: the ball down the field, get first downs, keep scoring.

504
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: Look even a field goal, even something to answer, like

505
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Speaker 1: when the Chiefs were started to get back into that

506
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: game in the Divisional round the Texans, even a field

507
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: goal at one point might have been a big plus,

508
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: but they went three and out after giving up some

509
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: devastating scores and it just it cascaded from there. It

510
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: was just terrible. Secondary. Secondary, secondary gonna be the story

511
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Speaker 1: of the Texans offseason. I think so, because you have

512
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Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent in Bradley Roby. You have Jonathan

513
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: Joseph who's played for a long time in the National

514
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: Football League, and he's wonderful. I don't even know if

515
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: he's done or not or whatever. I mean, I'd love

516
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Speaker 1: to see him come back. I mean, I love j Joe,

517
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna have to look there to improve.

518
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: They traded a third rounder during the season for Gary

519
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: and Conley first rounder for the Raiders formally, and I

520
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: think that he'll help, he'll help this football team. But

521
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Speaker 1: you need more than that, Lonnie Johnson a year two,

522
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: you need more than that. So I think they'll look

523
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Speaker 1: in the secondary, free agency and in the draft, and

524
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: they're really sort of streamline, not streamlining, but redefining what

525
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: they're looking for in players. It's gotten more to Bill

526
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Speaker 1: O'Brien's liking. I think every single year he's been there.

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Speaker 1: It's been six years now, he's going into the seventh season.

528
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Speaker 1: But now with Jack Easter being he doing it together.

529
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Speaker 1: I really think you're going to see even more focus

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Speaker 1: on a particular type of individual that they want in

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Speaker 1: the building. They've had a lot of good players, they've

532
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Speaker 1: had a lot of success under O'Brien, five winning seasons

533
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Speaker 1: in six years and the playoff appearances and everything, but obviously,

534
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Speaker 1: to Amy's point, they want more describe that player. What

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Speaker 1: does that player look like? In Bill O'Brien's they say, smart, tough, dependable,

536
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: and look, if you're from the Patriots tree, you're looking

537
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Speaker 1: at guys like that. I think it's a familiar ye well,

538
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Speaker 1: and I think what that means is and We've all debated.

539
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: What that means is guys who love football, who love

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Speaker 1: to practice. Okay, and look, the injuries they're gonna happen

541
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Speaker 1: to people. But are the injuries happening because if somebody

542
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: not rehabbing well or not taking care of their body

543
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: or whatever, and look, certain things are out of your control.

544
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: We get it. But I think they they're looking for

545
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: guys who are just totally focused, committed on professional football.

546
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Speaker 1: That is their passion, that is their life while they're

547
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: in this league. That's what they're gonna do. They're gonna

548
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: be there for the offseason program, they're not gonna be

549
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: a problem around the locker room, and they're gonna be

550
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Speaker 1: smart enough to be able to adapt game week. And

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00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is if you look at

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Speaker 1: the Patriots and some of the guys that have killed

553
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: us over the years, like Chris Hogan, and you know,

554
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: even Edelman is a terrific player, right, this is not

555
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: a guy that you would project. I mean, look at

556
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: where he came from. Sure, probably you know he comes

557
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: into the league and he's a top ten draft pick. Okay.

558
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: They have guys that you can move around like chess pieces,

559
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: adapt to different defenses, game plan that you know what

560
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: out of the defense every single week, and win that way.

561
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: Because it's more than talent in this league. As we

562
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: all know, there's so much wasted talent or underused talent

563
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: in this league. They want to take whatever talent they have.

564
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: And I think they will tell you this. They'll say,

565
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a guy it's smart, tough, and dependable

566
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Speaker 1: than a really talented guy who I cannot count on

567
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: to practice to be there on game day in a

568
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: certain kind of way. So I think they want to

569
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Speaker 1: get those kinds of players. So in having such a

570
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Speaker 1: specific type of person that they're looking for, is the

571
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: draft more where the Houston Texans are going to build

572
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: this team because they can get those people and kind

573
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Speaker 1: of groom them to be the player that they want

574
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Speaker 1: to be, as opposed to free agency, where you're getting

575
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Speaker 1: a guy who's a veteran player but it is kind

576
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Speaker 1: of setting his ways in mentality. I think it's gonna

577
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: be a mix, Sammy, I really do. Because they want

578
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: to have guys, they want to also layer it. So

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Speaker 1: let's say have a phenomenal draft class, Well, everybody's contract

580
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: comes up the same year, not that you don't want

581
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: to have a phenomenal draft class. You want every class

582
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: to be filled with Hall of famers. But you have

583
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Speaker 1: to find a way to work with the cap and

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Speaker 1: not be stuck where you have to pay three four

585
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: guys huge contracts in the same year. That's not setting

586
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: yourself up for success in their eyes. So you know

587
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: they've got you know, everyone looks at the cap space.

588
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: They're all going to spot track and look at cap

589
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: space and oh my gosh, I have so much money

590
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: to spend. Just do it. Well, you have Watson who's

591
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: coming up pretty soon. Here, you have to pay Larimy Tunsol.

592
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: They've got guys, they've got to compensate. And once you

593
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: start writing those checks, oh my gosh, we don't have

594
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: much left. Talk to the Vikings a few tables over

595
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: from here and they'll tell you what a bad cap

596
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: situation is. It's really difficult. So they want to be

597
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: very careful with that. So I think it's a mixed

598
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: drafted players, some free agents, and they look to build

599
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: that middle class. You know a lot of people it's

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Speaker 1: the eighty twenty rule. Yeah, at twenty percent is gonna

601
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: make eighty percent of the money. I know those are

602
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: not real numbers, but it's kind of like that in

603
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: the National Football League and a lot of professional sports.

604
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: But that middle class, that tier of players between your

605
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: tenth player on the roster and your fortieth those are

606
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: the guys who have to be right on and winning

607
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: you football games week in week out. You know, look

608
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: at the Patriots. How many times did a Patrick Chung

609
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: make a big play in a playoff game? Well you're

610
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: not you know, you're not sending him to Canton. But

611
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: that guy, a player like that comes up big, and

612
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: I think those are the kinds of players they're looking for.

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Speaker 1: All right. So no, no pick in first in the

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Speaker 1: first round, right, only pick on Day two is fifty seven?

615
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: Do I have that? Right? No? Though they have a

616
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Speaker 1: second and a third. Yeah, they have a third because look,

617
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: the compensation, the compensatory picks are gonna come in soon enough. Right, No, No,

618
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: I and I forget how it shakes out. But they

619
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: traded one to they were gonna have three, okay, but

620
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: they traded one for Duke Johnson, one for Conley, and

621
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be one left. Oka. It's all said and done.

622
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Now they have a second round pick because they did

623
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: trade a two to Miami and the Tunsil deal, but

624
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: that two belongs to next year, So next year they

625
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: don't have a first or a second as we stand

626
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: right now. But one thing about Bill O'Brien as the

627
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Speaker 1: general manager, Bill, he's been aggressive. I mean, he's made

628
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Speaker 1: things happen. So I have no idea what he's gonna do,

629
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Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be really exciting for the

630
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: fans to see him go after things, whether it be picks, players, whatever,

631
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: to see what he does as a GM. The deal

632
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: he made for Tunsel and Kenny Stills right before the

633
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: opening bell of this season was a blockbuster deal and

634
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I think had they not made that deal, that win

635
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: total would look a lot different. Yeah, you don't win

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Speaker 1: the division, Yeah, probably don't. I mean they needed a

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Speaker 1: We can't wait for these rookies. We can't. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna piece it together. Let's go get a guy that

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Speaker 1: we can have for a decade. Well, and especially when

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Speaker 1: you're close like what the tech. I mean, if if

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Speaker 1: Bowl champions or the Houston Texans, nobody would think that

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Speaker 1: was an outlandish statement. You're in that conversation, and the

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Speaker 1: minute you're in that conversation, you're close, right, And can you,

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Speaker 1: as you said earlier, get hot at the right time.

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Speaker 1: But in order to get that kind of hot, you

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Speaker 1: do have to have the pieces Like Kansas City. They

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Speaker 1: certainly did, And remember they didn't have the kind of

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Speaker 1: regular season even they wanted. Things kind of broke well

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Speaker 1: for them at the end, and they got hot in

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Speaker 1: the postseason. You knew they had the capability. Well, they

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Speaker 1: were six and four when they left Nashville. How about

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Speaker 1: that when the Titans came back and won the ball game,

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Speaker 1: and I told coach Mac, I said, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: this team loses again. Yeah, and wow, Well yeah, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know I'd go that far. But but I was

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Speaker 1: talking about twelve and four. I wasn't. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: thought I thought they had the capability if they got

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Speaker 1: they did, and that's and that's what it takes. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of like the NCAA Tournament in basketball. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: a great point you make, though, because I'm sure Mike

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Speaker 1: Rabel talks about this. How after Thanksgiving. That's when the

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Speaker 1: money is made, or you know, we get all hung

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Speaker 1: up and what the records are. Look, as long as

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Speaker 1: you're hanging around, and the Titans are a good example

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Speaker 1: of this, you know, hanging in there. If you can

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Speaker 1: get to a certain point where you start stacking wins

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Speaker 1: in mid November, late November, all right, now you're in.

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Speaker 1: You got a really great shot to make the postseason,

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Speaker 1: and you want to hit the postseason as hot and

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Speaker 1: healthy as possible. And those December games are playoff games,

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Speaker 1: they really are. You know, we always talk I talk

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Speaker 1: about each week being a building block. They're all gigantic

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Speaker 1: building blocks to your NFL season. So yeah, the early

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Speaker 1: season wins are important, there's no question about that. But

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Speaker 1: at the end they take on even more magnitude because

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Speaker 1: they can knock you out or put you in or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And that's why this league is so wonderful. And the division,

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Speaker 1: the AFC South. All right, so here's a lot I

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Speaker 1: don't I'm sure you guys have done the research, but

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Speaker 1: because a lot of fans in Houston are so upset

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Speaker 1: we win the AC The AFC since O'Brien has been

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Speaker 1: in This is the last six years playoff victories, the

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Speaker 1: AFC South is tied for second with the NFC West. Right,

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Speaker 1: the leading division in playoff victories is the AFC East

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Speaker 1: because of the Patriots, and they're the only ones in

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Speaker 1: that division to win a playoff game in the last

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Speaker 1: six years. But in the last six years, the AFC

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Speaker 1: South has put three teams in the AFC Championship Game,

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Speaker 1: tied for second in playoff wins with the NFC West.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a hell of a division and

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Speaker 1: the last three years you get two teams out of

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Speaker 1: the division into the postseason. That's incredible stuff right there.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the best, if not the best

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Speaker 1: divisions in football, and you have to look at it

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Speaker 1: as a monumental challenge every year to try to win

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Speaker 1: this thing. And that's why we did a whole podcast

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Speaker 1: about the AFC South because we're back on top. Baby.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to look at it also. You know,

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Speaker 1: you need a Super Bowl champion out of here to

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Speaker 1: really be able to like put that flag in the ground.

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Speaker 1: But I think what happens is people look at the

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Speaker 1: AFC South, they think about twenty fifteen or something, and

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Speaker 1: you know it's another era here. This is a very

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Speaker 1: difficult four team division. Mark Vandameric Houston Texans Voice, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time. Thanks a lot for

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Speaker 1: Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith well Thank you for listening

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