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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, what's up? You're listening to Potter Rebellion? Thank

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Speaker 2: you for coming. I'm Taylor Gray, Ezra Ridger Specter six,

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Speaker 1: I'm Vanessa Marshall Spector one, voice of Harrison Doula, and

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Speaker 1: we also have Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm t sur Car Spector five, Sabine Wren and.

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Speaker 4: And I am john Ley Brody. You're a nonspector but

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Speaker 4: full on moderator. And today we are going over season one,

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Speaker 4: episode twelve, Vision of Hope. Let's begin. All right, everybody,

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Speaker 4: how are we feeling? We are twelve episodes in, we

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Speaker 4: a great, great episode in terms of action, in terms

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Speaker 4: I missed you all. We we scatter our recording dates

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Speaker 4: so it's like, I don't get that it seems like

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to see you guys. I was just thinking,

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Speaker 3: we're having such a good time doing this. I am

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Speaker 4: But I think that that's just I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, same, Captain Vanessa. How are you feeling today.

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Speaker 1: All as well? I'm thrilled. I'm so happy that the

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Speaker 4: Well season two goals, I guess is we can shoot

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Speaker 4: for with us some hopefully I'll hold out hope for that.

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Speaker 4: All right, So let's get into this episode because I

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Speaker 4: think there's a lot to discuss. It's time for my recap.

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Speaker 4: This one was a fun one to put together, so everybody.

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Speaker 4: Vision of Hope Original air date January twenty sixth, twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Ezra is in the midst of a lightsaber training session,

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Speaker 4: When Ezra tries to express this to the group, he's

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Speaker 4: Upon this revelation, Ezra is naturally shocked and like the

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Speaker 4: Travis to tell him why what. Instead of getting answers,

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Speaker 4: and reminds Ezra that, like Bo Brady on Days of

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Speaker 4: And that is the recaps one episode twelfth Vision of Hope?

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Speaker 3: Was that the best one yet? I don't know. I

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Speaker 5: Your pull from so many things, It's incredible.

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Speaker 4: Our Lives was a deep pull.

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Speaker 4: Of our Lives. Come on, let's go. I mean we

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Speaker 2: Right. I have no idea who that is.

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Speaker 3: You You've missed out on a iconic couple in American

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Speaker 4: That was next cleberation. Well, it's like I've set the

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Speaker 4: I don't want to let you all down.

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Speaker 3: More than anything, I don't think you could if you tried.

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Speaker 4: I love the Yoda like adviser. There is no try

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Speaker 4: that is Wizard of Oz, Because like, when you know

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Speaker 4: who influenced who and what art inspired the other art,

433
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Speaker 4: you know that things just aren't accidental, especially in Star Wars,

434
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Speaker 4: you know, because you're part of such a big, bigger story,

435
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Speaker 4: and and that channel that through Ezra with that simple line,

436
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Speaker 4: which to someone who doesn't know Wizard of Oz, it's like, Okay,

437
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 4: he's saying you were there because they were there in

438
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Speaker 4: his vision. But when you look even deeper, it's like, oh,

439
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Speaker 4: there's a this is a callback to the golden age

440
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Speaker 4: of cinema. I thought that was really cool, And that's

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Speaker 4: one of.

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Speaker 2: My favorite things of art though, is in it like

443
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Speaker 2: almost everything is an inspired something because we how do

444
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Speaker 2: we learn anything. It's like what we see and hear

445
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Speaker 2: and are conditioned, like we come into a with nothing.

446
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Speaker 2: And it's I always find that so inching of like

447
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Speaker 2: one when you create art personally and you know where

448
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Speaker 2: you've stolen it or been inspired and someone points it

449
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Speaker 2: out like what a what a great idea, and you're like, sure,

450
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Speaker 2: I just like put it through my filter. But Star

451
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Speaker 2: Wars is that like everything I've and I'm sure Wizard

452
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Speaker 2: of Oz was inspired before, and the cycle sort of

453
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Speaker 2: forever continues that you're like repurposing everything through a new filter,

454
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Speaker 2: but and a new world. But I think that's one

455
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Speaker 2: of the coolest things with art, and I think something

456
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Speaker 2: very fun about Star Wars.

457
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that's what makes anything quote new. People looking

458
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Speaker 4: for original content, it's like, well, when you break it down,

459
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Speaker 4: there's there's seven eight kind of story archetypes. It's the

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Speaker 4: person and how they perceive it and how they want

461
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Speaker 4: to execute that story is what makes something new because

462
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Speaker 4: you break down, say the Lion King, Lion King's amazing

463
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Speaker 4: lin King's Hamlet, you know, when you really really break

464
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Speaker 4: it down, but it was through the lens of you know,

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Speaker 4: Pride Rock and Simba Mufasa, all this stuff who you know,

466
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Speaker 4: of course the Lake, Great James or Zones who Star Theater,

467
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Speaker 4: all this stuff. When you look at any story, you

468
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Speaker 4: can really a lot of times filtered down to Shakespeare,

469
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Speaker 4: but it always comes down to some sort of story archetype.

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Speaker 4: But it's you know, the innovators, the Spielberg's, the Coppola's,

471
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Speaker 4: Lucases of the world, who are gonna, you know, put

472
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Speaker 4: a new twist on it because that's just how they

473
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Speaker 4: see that world. And you know, I would hope any

474
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Speaker 4: of the younger creators listening to this when understanding you

475
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 4: don't have to reinvent anything. It's take what works, But

476
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Speaker 4: then how do you perceive this and how do you

477
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Speaker 4: want to express yourself through this archetype which is what rebels? Did?

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Speaker 2: You know?

479
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Speaker 4: Like it didn't try to like uproot and tear apart

480
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Speaker 4: what Star Wars was all the foundations there. But because

481
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Speaker 4: of these characters and because of what you all collectively

482
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Speaker 4: put together. This is why, like I can say this

483
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Speaker 4: because I'm the moderator and I'm a third neutral, third party.

484
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Speaker 4: You all don't have to do this, but this is

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Speaker 4: why a lot of people, including myself, considered this like

486
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Speaker 4: peak Star Wars because of that, because you took something

487
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Speaker 4: that's so well known that everybody can pick apart, but

488
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Speaker 4: it still made it its own thing but honored the

489
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Speaker 4: predecessors that came before it. So again, you don't have

490
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Speaker 4: to if you want to. I'm trying to protect you

491
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Speaker 4: all from that.

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Speaker 3: That's very kind. Yeah, thank you, thanks for that, of.

493
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Speaker 4: Course, of course, so that's also what I'm here for.

494
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Speaker 4: It's part of my contract. I have to get some

495
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: ted Lasso positive reinforcement. Another fun highlight in this episode

496
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Speaker 4: was we got to see zayre voiced by Brighton James again.

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Speaker 4: So that's the cool thing about uh, these these these

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Speaker 4: series is like, we do see these characters again, and

499
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 4: this will be a fun fact check for JC as well.

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Speaker 4: He says he's being transferred to Arcanis. I know very

501
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 4: little about Arcanis. OI have been general hucks on the

502
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: first order from the the later the Aprams trilogy was

503
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Speaker 4: born there. Yeah, I know, I don't. It's a rainy

504
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 4: planet in the Outer Rim, That's all I know. But again,

505
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 4: yeah it is. It's a seattle of the Outer rims

506
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 4: in notes, which coincidentally enough, Taylor's shared on on my

507
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: Google notes right here, so that explains it. Another fun

508
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 4: thing here was more of Callous, and we saw that

509
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: he's a little more than just this hired gun who's

510
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Speaker 4: going out to the rebels. You kind of see how

511
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 4: calculating and smart he is. Because I'm gonna pronouncing a

512
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Speaker 4: cat Suki Suki because she voices Minister Tua and also

513
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Speaker 4: Mirra Bridger Kath, I'm so sorry if I yeah, that's it,

514
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: SUSI yeah, Because she's a recurring character. She comes in

515
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 4: and tells Callous like, hey, we need to do this,

516
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 4: and he basically says no, no, no, if you want to

517
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 4: catch one, you catch I go after the whole group,

518
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Speaker 4: and this is where we start to see Callous's initiative

519
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: and that, Okay, he's not just the guy who's taking orders.

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00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 4: He's someone who is very intelligent and calculated, and they're

521
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Speaker 4: slowly unraveling that, which makes him a scarier villain because

522
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Speaker 4: he's not just the big bat heavy. It's like, oh,

523
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Speaker 4: this guy he can he can also play chess along

524
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Speaker 4: with the others too.

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Speaker 1: I love that he refers to Ezra as Jaba. Yeah, Java,

526
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Speaker 1: what's up, Jeff? Yeah? But I mean it's again like

527
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Speaker 1: I think he said Jaba not Jaba. Did he say Java?

528
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Speaker 1: Is like to say you're pasta and text and Jaba.

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Speaker 3: That's funny.

530
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was funny just that he remembered him

531
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Speaker 1: saying like, what's your name? A Jaba? You know that

532
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: he remembered that's quote unquote his name, but also the

533
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: way he said it with the British accent. I don't

534
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: know why that moment for me was classic.

535
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Speaker 3: I was I remember David, you know, I was. I'm

536
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: such a fan of his and I remember when he

537
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: was cast as Callous. He did a few I know,

538
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: some of his stuff he recorded in London, but he

539
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: did a few sessions with us, yes, and I remember

540
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: being like super I mean not like I just I was.

541
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm a huge fan of this dudes,

542
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: and he's such he's such a classy dude and like

543
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 3: such an amazing actor. So I was like delighted that,

544
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: you know, we got to actually work with him in

545
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 3: the booth. And but then for some reason, maybe maybe

546
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: the reason is that I haven't watched these episodes in

547
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: ten years or longer, right, yeah, ten years. But I'm

548
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: having I'm really enjoying watching the Callous stuff a second

549
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: time now, Like he's such a cool, interesting, foreboding character,

550
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: you know, amin as like he's and and David's voice

551
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: is just like so rich and and and and just

552
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: it's just I'm having a really good time watching Callous

553
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: through these early episodes and knowing like where we get to.

554
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: I'm excited to keep, you know, to see that story

555
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: arc continued.

556
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Speaker 2: I thought for a second, you were calling Dave filon

557
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: and I was like, I've never heard that, Like, David

558
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: gave quite good I was like, what.

559
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: I see it, Yeah, David Yellow, But Steve Bloom does

560
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: call David David. Yeah, you know, I.

561
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Speaker 2: Spoke with David Yellow clarify because I went to the

562
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: same Druma schools him and he came and did stuff.

563
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Speaker 7: Wow.

564
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Speaker 5: After we had done.

565
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this yeah amazing.

566
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: Were you like yeah, Ezra Bridger and he was like, hey, no, no,

567
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: did you remember you?

568
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: I said king later, Uh no, okay, no, we I

569
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Speaker 2: mean we didn't. It was in a group setting that

570
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Speaker 2: I was like, I I the poetic nature of this

571
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: is for me to.

572
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: Not say anything. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, fair enough.

573
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah because everyone everyone knew, and everyone wanted me to

574
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Speaker 2: say something.

575
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Speaker 5: That's why I was like, of course, I was like,

576
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say.

577
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: So wait, let me get this straight. You made me

578
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: go tell James Hong that we had done a movie

579
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: together ten years or no, a few years prior, and

580
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 3: yet when you worked with David o'yello, oh yeah, I

581
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: don't take the advice I give. I really didn't want

582
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: to like debase myself and go and be like, hey

583
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: mister hang we would and he totally, I don't think,

584
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: remembered not a bit. And then you that's it. I'm

585
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: never taking advice from you again. Well that's that's unsure,

586
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: oh dear, okay as.

587
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Speaker 4: You were saying that to you, I was like, I

588
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: think I know what Taylor is going to say, and

589
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: then you said exactly what I hope.

590
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably your that's probably your. I mean I

591
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: would say worst fear, but yeah, like I feel like

592
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Speaker 3: you would never want to be predictable. Yeah, I don't

593
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: want to be predictable to myself. Yeah.

594
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Speaker 5: Yeah, not a great quality.

595
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: That can get one into trouble real quick.

596
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

597
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Speaker 1: I gotta say, one of the things I really loved

598
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: about the episode is they were, you know, sprinting through

599
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: the sewer. I really love the camaraderie and the sense

600
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: of family, Like you know, Specter five, do you know

601
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: where we are? Sure?

602
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 8: I think I I like and I just loved the

603
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 8: characters so much, and I just remember where we were

604
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 8: back then in terms of our friendship building, and I

605
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 8: for me personally, I felt like I had a more

606
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 8: intense sense of that in this episode and rewatching it that.

607
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, by this time, I think we were kind of

608
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: making fun of each other and you know whatever, that

609
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: we had sort of landed a bit by this episode,

610
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: and it was very very fun. It was fun to record,

611
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: it was fun to watch, and yeah, yeah, I don't know.

612
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: It was moving to me.

613
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: By this point. I feel like we'd moved past the formalities,

614
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: you know, and we like fully like we were. We

615
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: were past all the like now we can start like

616
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: ribbing each other and making fun of each other.

617
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was this episode I was finally not

618
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: off book. You know, I can go in and I

619
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: can read this. I thought of the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles,

620
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: and I don't know why.

621
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: That's why.

622
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: It's a crazy parallel, I know, but through the sewers,

623
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: it's like it calls up for certain.

624
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 4: That was in my original recap. But I already made

625
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: a Ninja Turtles joke when Dante was on the podcast,

626
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: so I didn't want to repeat myself, but I did

627
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: originally as like, wait, this sounds really familiar, and I

628
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 4: was like, oh, yep, I did say that. So I

629
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: went with the Goonies because that's you know, that's perfect.

630
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: I can never fail with the Goonies.

631
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: This is true.

632
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: It's good enough as you if you want to go there,

633
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: like the Sidney Lapper song. You know, goonies are good

634
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 4: all right, right, we can cut that from the podcast.

635
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 4: No, no believe it, that's funny.

636
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: No, don't you dare.

637
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 9: You?

638
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: Fellow Cyndy Lapper fans listening to this podcast, I think

639
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: fellow because I'm a huge Cindypper.

640
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Speaker 4: One of the interesting underlying themes of this episode two,

641
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 4: which I feel like you three are so intelligent and

642
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: you know, very thoughtful with everything you do, is two

643
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 4: things stood out to me. Like one is like false idols,

644
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: because you were like idolizing this Travis guy, like, oh,

645
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: he's going to be the savior and he's going to

646
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 4: trail place for us and almost give us permission to

647
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: keep on doing this mission that we're doing. And also

648
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: the other one was like don't meet your heroes. Those

649
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 4: are the two things that really came to mind for me,

650
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: because you know, you do meet Travis and he lets

651
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: you down. And what I love about it is instead

652
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: of wallowing that and instead of Hara just flat out

653
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: saying hey, it's this, which is a great speech, she's like, hey,

654
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: you know, I wanted to believe in him too. So

655
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 4: it was almost like when adults tell a kid, hey,

656
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 4: you know, we're figuring things out too. Yeah, we don't

657
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: have all the answers, so don't feel like you're doing

658
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: anything wrong for going that route, and I wanted to

659
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: throw that to the three of you. I don't know

660
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: if that came to mind for you, but I feel

661
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 4: like it comes up a lot in Star Wars, but

662
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: this episode especially had a lot of these underlying themes,

663
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: and those two really stood out to me.

664
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: I definitely I agree, and that added to the sense

665
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: of family, and you know, I'm reminded of obviously later

666
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: when Canaan makes the ultimate sacrifice that we all got

667
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: to process that together. But I recently rewatched episode seven,

668
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: eight and nine, and particularly in the Rise of Skywalker,

669
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: you have a sense that the rebellion is ending, like

670
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: the spark, you know, the Spark of Rebellion was the

671
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: initial sort of vibe of this entire cartoon series, and

672
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: by episode nine, things are not looking good at the

673
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: end there and like the spark is out and I

674
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: thought we had a shot, and then you know, it's

675
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: It's amazing how they comfort each other and managed to

676
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: have the hope, like that line that I was saying

677
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: that Hara has knowing where the franchise ultimately goes. You know,

678
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: I remember Simon Kinberg saying, we want to know. You

679
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: know that he had us well at least, he had

680
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: me watch different movies about civil movements and how they

681
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: began with two people meeting in a room. Who are

682
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: those two people? Well maybe you know Ahsoka and Hera,

683
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: or you know, we want to know how those initial

684
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: meetings went that you know, ultimately when Princess Leah is like,

685
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: oh be wan Kenobi on my own new hope and

686
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, puts the intel in that he said, that

687
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: is on the backs of these individuals that we're getting

688
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: to know. So I also had a sense of kind

689
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: of the magic carpet ride simultaneously the roller coaster ride

690
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: of hey we're up, Oh we have no fuel or

691
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And in this case, you know, don't

692
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: meet your heroes. We've been let down and they do

693
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: kind of live on crumbs and then sometimes rarefied air.

694
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: But that sort of being in the moment with each

695
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: obstacle or victory is peek Star Wars, as you said.

696
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: But I definitely had a sense of once again, like

697
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I said, the friendship that was actually going on in

698
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: the room, but also the different points in the narrative

699
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: gave us the opportunity to exhibit that and comforting Ezra,

700
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: I thought was one of those cool moments.

701
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: I agreed with everything you just said. I also was

702
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: just thinking that like, despite these like hardships or you know,

703
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: roadbumps or you know, disappointments, they always have each other,

704
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 3: which is kind of like the crux of this whole thing, right,

705
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: is that this found family and the ability to like

706
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: wholly and completely rely on each other and trust each other,

707
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: which is so nice to see. It's so refreshing to see.

708
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that, I genuinely I think that

709
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: people who do love the show and love the characters,

710
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 3: I think that that's kind of probably what I've been told,

711
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: and I would think.

712
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 10: That, like that's really what draws folks to our characters

713
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 10: and our show, is this like kind of unbreakable bond

714
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 10: and implicit trust.

715
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: And respect for each other. I mean, obviously there's like

716
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: the stuff between Sabine and Ezra and like and zeb

717
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: and Ezra and really just Ezra and all of the

718
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: characters and the Chopper and Shopper. Yeah, but beyond I

719
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: mean that's all sort of like fun, fun and games.

720
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: But then like when it comes down to it, like

721
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 3: that's that's really what I think makes this so special.

722
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool to see the bond grow with all

723
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: of them, and as the bond grows, the vulnerability rises

724
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: that and that's also a beautiful thing, like you care

725
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 2: for each one of them more and more. Like I'm

726
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: now sort of craving the whole zeb storyline. I'm just

727
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: looking forward to it so much more, which is really

728
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 2: sweet knowing where we're going obviously.

729
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that speaks to I mean, his characters. That character

730
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: arc is is tremendous and you see the seeds of

731
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: it now, you know, Yeah, it's really beautiful.

732
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 3: And I know, like I'll I'm like the number one

733
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 3: Steve bloom fan, but like actually, I mean we all are.

734
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: But it's just a testament to like that guy's talent

735
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: and depth and complexity because like he's so funny as Zeb,

736
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: but then there's so much more and I think obviously

737
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: no shade to like our writers that wrote like that

738
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 3: that story arc for him, but just like Steve blue Man.

739
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, he also said, yeah, there's a reason why

740
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: he's the most prolific voice like voice actor inness Book

741
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: of World Records.

742
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: When when he drops down from above with his whatever

743
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: that weapon is, like, you know, don't worry, our friends

744
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: will be along and then he comes down. I'm like,

745
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: you go, Zeb, he just cracks him. I love it.

746
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Zeb laugh gets me every time. That's a

747
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: horrible impression. But like the laugh that Steve was able

748
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 4: to do because it's it's so genuine, because you feel

749
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: a lot of state going into that.

750
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

751
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he's having such a great time doing the lab,

752
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: but it's also very Zeb at the same time, like

753
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: he never loses himself with him.

754
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: It's funny you point that out. Actually, I love that observation.

755
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: That is like the most the part of Zeb. If

756
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: that makes sense, like if that laugh is so, he's

757
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: a very happy, joyful dude.

758
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, as people saw when he was on a few

759
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: episodes ago, and we got to bring him back soon.

760
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 4: Hopefully he must be our recurring Yeah, I.

761
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 5: Really need him to weigh in on this light sayber

762
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 5: jet pack thing.

763
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm sure he'll have some thoughts. So

764
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: a couple more things. There was a brief mention after

765
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 4: Travis's transmission, which I don't know if this is a

766
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 4: direct not to the previous episode. I think it is.

767
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: They mentioned the Lathal minds, but then it cuts off.

768
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, is it's something that Lando, because Lando

769
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: had the puffer pig that was going to scull out

770
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 4: the mind and get stuff. So I was like, oh,

771
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 4: is that a subtle nod like, Oh, Lando's still out

772
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: there doing his thing. I don't know, Maybe j C'll know.

773
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: I just want to throw that little nugget.

774
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: At you that did not touch that either.

775
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 4: It was really quick. I'm like, wait with all minds

776
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: because the previous episode, Lando's literally talking about it. But again,

777
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 4: we'll have to fact check that. I know we're giving

778
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 4: him I see, I see in mind the scenes again,

779
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 4: it's like the.

780
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: JC. We give him so much work and then he

781
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: always brings it.

782
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 4: He does every time.

783
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 3: You know.

784
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: That's that's part of the fun though, you know. Of

785
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: when you get to Jac's segment, which we're almost there,

786
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 4: but before we get there, people will recall last week,

787
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 4: and you'll all recall last week we were talking about

788
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: basketball player equivalents for your characters. So I thought, this is.

789
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: The mild debate.

790
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: I concurred with your allan iverson, but we're going to

791
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: come up with new ones today, which if you want,

792
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: I can go first to kind of just like if

793
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 4: you all want to still think about it. I don't

794
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: mind going first. I put a little thought into this.

795
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: John, did you come up with one of yours for

796
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: yourself or one for each of us?

797
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 4: Just for the three of you.

798
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: Oh, well, then you've got to throw one in for

799
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: you too. Oh it's for our characters.

800
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: For your characters. Thanks. Ye got it.

801
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 5: So I just want to throw in that J. C.

802
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 5: Phil Jackson in my mind.

803
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 9: I love it. I love that.

804
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 5: I need to come up. Well, I'm just thinking now because.

805
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: John, we got to come up with one for John.

806
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 4: We'll figure that out.

807
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 6: I like that.

808
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting John Stockton vibes. I'm

809
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: getting John Stone.

810
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: Okay, he was kind of a dirty player. But I

811
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: mean yeah, I mean.

812
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 5: I would show Steve. I mean he got the job

813
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 5: done and if I was gonna go ste.

814
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: But I but but I will say, all those players there,

815
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: he's a sneaky player. I shouldn't say dirty, but he'll he'll.

816
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: I don't mean for that for you, I'm.

817
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 5: At for general, keeps everything running, facilitating.

818
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 4: I'll take that.

819
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: I'll we're gonna go consensus. I like Steve Nash. I

820
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: like Steve Nash for you cool, just a classy dude, yeah, I.

821
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 5: Should I should have gone.

822
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: He's a nice Canadian former Laker, you know. Yeah, yeah,

823
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: I like that, and you know, okay, I'll take some

824
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: Steve Nash actually, okay, so I'm gonna start with one.

825
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. People talk magic, Okay, is

826
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: magic Oscar's Oscar pistol piece, pistol pete. People usually put

827
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 4: Isaiah right after Magic. And look, if you say that,

828
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say you're wrong. But for me,

829
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 4: I would put Stockton. He was such a pure point guard,

830
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: always get it done. Yeah, and but just the way

831
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 4: he ran offenses to perfection, but also the way he

832
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: played defense. And that guy was one of the best

833
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 4: rebounding point guards at like six foot one. He's out

834
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: rebounding guys at the city. So I agree one hundred percent. Okay, yeah,

835
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: I'm with that. Okay, So miss are Ezra and I'm

836
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 4: using current NBA players for the three of you. I

837
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 4: put Anthony Edwards for.

838
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: A dude, no way, Look, that's all my notes.

839
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 5: Well there Anthony Edwards.

840
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 4: Because Anthony Edwards, I mean.

841
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 5: All of this other random wow, I have them already.

842
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 5: It's one man.

843
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 4: And because you look at Anthony Edwards. He's got such

844
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: a gift and like, if he keeps on honing that,

845
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: there's no limits somebody can do. And that's Ezra. I

846
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 4: did a bonus. I used w NBA players too and

847
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 4: put w I would have done that, Dang. I put

848
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: Chelsea Gray, so people who don't know Chelsea Gray, Chelsea

849
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: is it. That'd be awesome. If it was very plot

850
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: to us, I could totally see the resemblance. Uh, Chelsea Gray.

851
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 4: You watched this woman play, and there's the reason why

852
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: Kobe like was like her mentor for a minute. Kobe

853
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 4: didn't just mentor anybody. But the way Chelsea Gray attacks

854
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: the game, she's also got this gift and she even

855
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 4: though she's not getting the credit, she's still going to

856
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 4: go in and give you everything she's got. Even when

857
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: she wasn't starting for Las Vegas. When she came off

858
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: the bench, she was such a spark, just like a

859
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 4: was a bit of a spark to the Ghost crew

860
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 4: once he joined and he started settling in. So that's

861
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: my ezra for Harah. I put Kevin Durant and dude,

862
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 4: get out of here.

863
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 6: Is really.

864
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm not kidding, We're not colluding. I swear you

865
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: got like this.

866
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 6: We've been on the.

867
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 5: Same page with all I'm changing. I'm literally not changing.

868
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 5: I love that I wrote a second one for her.

869
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 4: Too, because Katie does everything. I would say Katie arguably

870
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 4: is probably one of the most if not the most

871
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: underrated superstar in NBA history. But he does everything, yet

872
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 4: he doesn't have all the hype around him, just like Harah.

873
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 4: You know, when you really look at what Harrah's done,

874
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: She's done everything and she's incredible, Like literally nothing she

875
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 4: can she can't do. So I was thinking of coming

876
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: to rant. For Harah WNBA equivalent, I put Sue Bird.

877
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: Sup Bird was like the same way superb was just

878
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 4: everywhere on the court, just like ultimate floor general, ultimate leader,

879
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 4: could do everything. So those are my two for Harah.

880
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 4: For Sabine, I put Russell Westbrook because.

881
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 5: That's good, that's actually good.

882
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: That's good about I put my hands up.

883
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: I love Russ. I love Russ.

884
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 4: Ross is another one who although.

885
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: He doesn't love me, when I did the move with

886
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: KD and we were in Oklahoma, he gave me no love.

887
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: This isn't calling out rus Russell's fantastic, but he I

888
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: remember he would just joke around me.

889
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 5: He's like, why aren't they making a movie about me?

890
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 5: And I was like, I don't know, dude, you it

891
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 5: was funny.

892
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 4: I love that he asked you, Yeah, let me make

893
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 4: some calls. Well, you have a you have a very

894
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: authoritative presence. That must be why he asks you. But Russ,

895
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: you know, averaged a triple double. Only other person to

896
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: do that is Oscar Robertson does everything on the court,

897
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 4: does what he needs to do on the court. And

898
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: also his artisticness when you look at his shoes, just

899
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 4: like when you look at Sabine's Mandalorian outfit. He's a

900
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 4: very artistic and fashionable person, which I feel like Sabine

901
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 4: is like a fashion icon within Star Wars. So that's

902
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 4: why I put Russell for your WNB equivalent. I put

903
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 4: Brionna Stewart.

904
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: You don't know.

905
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 4: Briona Stewart is everywhere, does everything, and also a bit

906
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 4: of a fashion icon Swiss army knife. So those are

907
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: my personal ones. Uh, And I will throw it to

908
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 4: the three of you now to think about yourself.

909
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor would be the logical next.

910
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, because they're the anti Edwards exact same.

911
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: There's a new documentary on Netflix. Court of Goal I

912
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 2: think it's called And they meet with Obama Obama to

913
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: speak with tam Usa before they go play in the

914
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: recent Parisian Olympics, and everyone's in reverence as in deference

915
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: to Obama, as you would think, not that Anthony Edwards isn't.

916
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: But he's just like, I don't know if you and

917
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: you guys have seen this, but he's like Josh and

918
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: Obama and Obama's like trying to send it back and

919
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: Anthey Edwards is like trash talking him like he's a

920
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: player on the.

921
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 5: Court and he's like, what are you talking about, bro?

922
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: And you're like, dude, that's Obama, what do you He.

923
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 5: Does not care.

924
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: And it's the beauty of Anthony Edwards and why he's

925
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: so incredible and he could be the best player in

926
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: the NBA and it looks like that might happen, but

927
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of work to do. He's like

928
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: a diamond in the rough. But he has that sort

929
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: of nature that like why why not? Why not me?

930
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: Why can't we do it all? And so you nailed

931
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: it with that. I wrote Katie for Hara. I also

932
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: wrote for my second David Robinson the Admiral David is kad.

933
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: I love Kittie obviously, I I think he's incredible, but

934
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: I think he does get a little more love. Like

935
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: most conversations I have, I hear like he's the greatest

936
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: scorer in the NBA easily, Like if if he's hot,

937
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: nobody can stop me. And you can't say about every person,

938
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: but David Robinson just held it down and Haarrah holds

939
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: everything down like you. It doesn't function without Haarra. There's

940
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: a reason they called him the Admiral obviously his dad,

941
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 2: but also what he was on the floor. And yeah,

942
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: I think that works really well. And then for Sabine,

943
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: I like the Russell westbrookpole. We're losing everyone by the way, right, Yeah.

944
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 4: Feeling and so remember everybody, Jac's fact check is after this,

945
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 4: so don't love. We're not going to lose you yet.

946
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we gave him a lot to do this time.

947
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: Fast, I'll be fast.

948
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 5: I go Dame Lillard for dans ability.

949
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: His uh, he was a he's clutch time Sabine shows

950
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: up in the clutch.

951
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 5: The only things that Damian Lillard can do and only

952
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 5: things that Sabine can do.

953
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 3: Oh, that might be the nicest thing you've ever said

954
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: to me, Taylor, And Okay, I didn't understand the assignment.

955
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: I only did picked one for Sabine. I didn't realize

956
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 3: we were picking ones for each other's character. I'm so sorry.

957
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: I apologize. Was that the assignment or did y'all just

958
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: go extra credit?

959
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 5: Extra credit?

960
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: Okay?

961
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: Okay, all right? So I like Damian Lillard. I like that,

962
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: you know his artistic side and the juxtaposition there. I'm

963
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: I'm I'm on, I'm in with that. I feel like

964
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: you guys are not going to agree with my choice

965
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 3: for Sabine, but I chose him because he is a

966
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 3: hero of mine. I'm going Steve Kerr. I think Steve

967
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 3: Kerr is I would vote for Steve Kerr for president. Frankly,

968
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: if I'm being honest, he is so inspiring. I mean

969
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 3: he was. First of all, if you know anything about

970
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 3: Steve Hurr's life, he overcame incredible like trauma, familial like

971
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 3: it's a really sad story. If you guys, if anyone

972
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 3: listening this is still listening, knows what I'm talking about.

973
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: He experienced some like really horrible stuff, tragedy in his family.

974
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: He was able to overcome that go on to be

975
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 3: an incredible player on the court leader off the court.

976
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: Now he's the cool I mean, he's like, he's so outspoken,

977
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: he's so strong in his convictions, and he isn't He

978
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 3: doesn't allow his position as like a head NBA coach

979
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 3: to keep him, like, to keep him from like speaking

980
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: out on what he thinks is important. He just d

981
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 3: gaf like he if he feels wrongly, and he does

982
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 3: feel strongly about a lot of socio political issues, he

983
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: is willing to go out there and speak on it

984
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: and doesn't let like, oh, oh, you know, I shouldn't

985
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: because that might upset people. He doesn't care. He's going

986
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: to talk about like injustices in the world. He's going

987
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 3: to call those things out and speak truth to power.

988
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: And I think that that kind of gives me sabine vibes.

989
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 4: I love that, and I love Steve Kerr. Stee fun fact.

990
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 4: Steve Kerr helped me perfect my free throw form when

991
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 4: I was in eighth grade because the Bulls used to

992
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 4: put all these basketball camps for US Chicago and he

993
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 4: saw me like I would make it. I was pretty

994
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: good at it, and he's like, hey, He's like bend

995
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: your knees a little more and bring your elbow up

996
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: this way, because he was getting me to get under

997
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 4: the ball more. The moment I did that, I was

998
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 4: like ninety percent from free throws, just from that one adjustment.

999
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 4: And I said, as an eighth creator. And I'm not

1000
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: taking credit for his coaching career, like you should be

1001
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 4: a coach someday. He's like he's like, oh no, like no, no, no, no, no,

1002
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 4: he was. He was very like, okay, no, no, I'm good.

1003
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 4: I'm good, and now look at him and now look

1004
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 4: at him, not look at him. So I love that.

1005
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: It's amazing.

1006
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, Vanessa, Well all right, so first off,

1007
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 9: I missed the whole thing that for me, Sabine is

1008
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 9: Alan Iverson, and I thank you so like I don't

1009
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 9: even know what to tell you, and you know I can't.

1010
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: Desmond Mason, uh he played for SuperSonics, Bucks and the Hornets, Milwaukee,

1011
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City, Thunder, the Kings, and Sacramento. He was an

1012
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: artist and a painter. I don't know, guys, that's a

1013
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: reach I'm going with Alan Iverson and I just can't.

1014
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: But and I thank you for that sure, And I

1015
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: mean you've got your signature move and it's you're you're amazing.

1016
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: So for some reason, Harah to me reminds me of

1017
00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: Kareem Abdul Jabbar. There's something, there's something in excessible with him,

1018
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's greater than what many of us could

1019
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: possibly fathom. Somehow there's a vibe that there's something else

1020
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: going on, and uh, I think Kareem got it done. Now. Granted,

1021
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: I grew up in Los Angeles dealing with the Lakers

1022
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: my entire life, and then initially I thought Ezra was

1023
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson because you know, he initially has that kind

1024
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, jolly vibes and obviously he's an

1025
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: incredible player, but I think the swagger of Michael Jordan

1026
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: is more Ezra for me. Yeah, I think No, I

1027
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: think I think Ezra slays in a way that he

1028
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: would have his own sneaker line eventually. So that's where

1029
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: I was going with that, And yeah, I thought then

1030
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you know who's Magic Johnson? Is

1031
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: zeb definitely a bit of a goofball but also amazing

1032
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: in his execution. And then for Freddy Lebron that's good.

1033
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I go Barkley on zeb.

1034
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love bron Well, that's that's not terrible.

1035
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: Te.

1036
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, that's not torible. I'll put you in

1037
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 4: my five.

1038
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 5: Let's see if we get two listeners still here.

1039
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you guys, maybe God bless, I think, or

1040
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 4: maybe underestimating our audience. I feel like a lot of

1041
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 4: our audience are sports fans. I agree.

1042
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know.

1043
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I love that, or we're just opening ourselves

1044
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 4: up to all demograph or sports fans. I mean I

1045
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 4: realized they're also Star Wars fans.

1046
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 3: There you go this then diagram. I think there's a

1047
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: lot of overlap, I believe.

1048
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: I think they just need to be there needs to be. Yeah,

1049
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 4: and there's just more in common. People might think I

1050
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 4: love those and I love Kareem because Kareem is such

1051
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 4: a fascinating person. Because you talk about somebody who at

1052
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: a very young age has two mentors were John Wooden

1053
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 4: and Bruce Lee, two of the greatest philosophical minds, and

1054
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 4: you see like you see that come out and what

1055
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 4: he talks about now he's he's also very much like

1056
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say when needs to be said, and also

1057
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 4: arguably the most unstoppable shot in NBA history the skyhook,

1058
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 4: you know which I'm gonna say, If Webbin Yana can

1059
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 4: come up with like a skyhook, he's also going to

1060
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 4: be pretty nasty to deal with. So that'll be a

1061
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 4: little sports analysis there. This Segon was a lot of fun. Look, everybody,

1062
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 4: we love our sports here and we'd like to incorporate

1063
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 4: stuff and we like to be all inclusive. And look,

1064
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 4: was this directly related to the episode? No, but also

1065
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 4: it kind of was when you think about the qualities

1066
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 4: of these athletes, maybe you can take that into the

1067
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 4: future episodes that we're going to rewatch. So I think,

1068
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 4: I don't. I can't promise it will be the last

1069
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: time we'll do something like this, because it probably won't be,

1070
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 4: but uh.

1071
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 7: I would.

1072
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: I would love to have some athletes on. We'll get

1073
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: some but.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we'll get some on. We'll get some on. I

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Speaker 4: know Julian Edelman. I know you also have a podcast

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Speaker 4: on the iHeart Network, So let's let's keep it all

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Speaker 4: in the family. And I saw you when you won

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Speaker 4: that Super Bowl. You posted this Rise of Edelman meme

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Speaker 4: on your Twitter when I was still on Twitter, so

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Speaker 4: I know you're a Star Wars fan, my man, So

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Speaker 4: you are welcome you anytime, and we will come to

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Speaker 4: our podcast as well.

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Speaker 3: So I love that you just expect that Julian Edelman

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Speaker 3: is listening to this. WoT of course, hey Julian, since

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Speaker 3: you're listening.

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Speaker 4: So AnyWho, Well, now, everybody, we come to the point

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Speaker 4: of the show. We've come to the point that I

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Speaker 4: think is our favorite part of the show. I know

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Speaker 4: it's a lot of your favorite part of the show.

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Speaker 4: It is time for fact check with our guy JC.

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Speaker 4: What do we got today?

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, you guys, I don't know.

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Speaker 11: People behind the scenes don't realize we we had a

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Speaker 11: little hiatus of recording and so you guys really came

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Speaker 11: out and made me dust the uh just the cof today.

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Speaker 11: So I'm going to try to get through this. I

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Speaker 11: apologize if I missed anything. All of our listeners can

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Speaker 11: be like, hey, they mentioned this and you did in

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Speaker 11: fact check that.

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Speaker 6: But I'm going to do my best here.

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Speaker 11: Vanessa, you mentioned Chopper at the beginning, going after that droid.

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Speaker 11: I just want to point out that is an R

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Speaker 11: four droid that he goes after R two, R three,

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Speaker 11: R four, R five. That is an R four droid.

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Speaker 11: You can tell by the dome, the pointed dome on

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Speaker 11: that Tia you mentioned the first time we discover a trader,

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Speaker 11: the first time we have a trader in our midst

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Speaker 11: and Star Wars rebels, I wasn't able to definitively confirm

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Speaker 11: that that's the first time. I did want to point

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Speaker 11: out that Brent Spiner from Data played Travis, which we

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Speaker 11: mentioned the first time he showed up in an earlier episode,

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Speaker 11: and Taylor, you were really upset by Travis because this

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Speaker 11: is the first time you had watched this.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to put your concerns.

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Speaker 11: At ease that at the conclusion of the Galactic Civil War,

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Speaker 11: after returning the Jedi, Travis was put on trial by

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Speaker 11: the New Republic and found guilty. If you want to

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Speaker 11: read more about that Star Wars Rise and Fall of

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Speaker 11: the Galactic Republic, which is a book that came out

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Speaker 11: in twenty twenty four. Anyway, he didn't get away with it,

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Speaker 11: so we can all sleep well tonight knowing that he

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Speaker 11: was punished for his misdeeds. John, you mentioned our Canis

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Speaker 11: Arcanis is a system and kind of a planet. There's

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Speaker 11: some ambiguity here and there's some retconning that happened. The

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Speaker 11: consensus is it's along the Carillion Run, which is a

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Speaker 11: hyperspace lane that people take from the core worlds out

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Speaker 11: to the outer rim. It's close to Tattooin goes crosses

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Speaker 11: by hut Space. There's also kind of two different spellings

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Speaker 11: if you want to get into the nitty gritty, there's

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Speaker 11: Arko Nis and Arka Nis. And this planet shows up

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Speaker 11: all over the Clone Wars and different novels and comic

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Speaker 11: books and all over the place. It's kind of a

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Speaker 11: go to I think that they name drop here and there.

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Speaker 11: Now here's the big one, Wizard of Oz and Star Wars.

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Speaker 11: I want to preface this by saying, which we've mentioned

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Speaker 11: in the past, Wizard of Oz and Star Wars are

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Speaker 11: perfect examples of Joseph Campbell's heroes Journey, which I'll go

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Speaker 11: into a little bit because I'm sure this is going

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Speaker 11: to be something that comes up and comes up over

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Speaker 11: and over throughout the podcast. But it's also just a

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Speaker 11: great chance to show how stories that humans tell over

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Speaker 11: the course of time interconnect.

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Speaker 6: But first, Wizard of Oz.

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Speaker 11: The main character in Wizard of Oz lives with her

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Speaker 11: aunt and uncle on a farm that sounds a little

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Speaker 11: bit familiar an orphan that lives on a farm. Dorothy

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Speaker 11: and Luke goes on an otherworldly journey. Luke goes through

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Speaker 11: mosse Iciley and Dorothy goes through a tornado. As John

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Speaker 11: pointed out, Luke goes on a journey with a tin

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Speaker 11: man C three po, a lion animal Chewbacca, and a

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Speaker 11: man with very little brains on solo.

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Speaker 6: Also a little.

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Speaker 11: Companion that can't really communicate directly, but plays a large

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Speaker 11: part R two D two. In Toto, they invade the

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Speaker 11: castle of an evil witch aka the Death Star and

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Speaker 11: Darth Vader who has magical powers. They dress up as

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Speaker 11: palace guards. In Wizard of Oz, which you know, Han

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Speaker 11: and Luke dress up as stormtroopers, there is a good

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Speaker 11: witch that helps the main character on their journey Obi

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Speaker 11: Wan Kenobi or Glinda, and the power rests within Dorothy

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Speaker 11: the entire time. In the Ruby Step Slippers or the

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Speaker 11: forest within Luke Skywalker. I also wanted to point out

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Speaker 11: another connection to the Wizard of Oz, which isn't directly

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Speaker 11: related to the hero's journey that the main characters take,

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Speaker 11: but Walter Merch, who was mentioned last in an earlier

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Speaker 11: episode of Pot of Rebellion when we were talking about

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Speaker 11: Ben Burt in The Wilhelm Scream. Walter Merch directed the

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Speaker 11: sequel in nineteen eighty five called Return to Oz. He

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Speaker 11: was fired by Disney while directing that movie. George Lucas

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Speaker 11: flew to London and vouched for Walter Murch, who was

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Speaker 11: his old time friend, and said that they needed to

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Speaker 11: rehire Walter, and George put himself up as collateral. If

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Speaker 11: there was a problem with the movie, George would go

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Speaker 11: in and finish the movie. Now, this is also nineteen

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Speaker 11: eighty five, right after Return of the Jedi, so George

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Speaker 11: Lucas was the guy. So there's another very direct connection

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Speaker 11: from Star Wars and George Lucas directly to the Wizard

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Speaker 11: of Oz. I'm going to go into this just a

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Speaker 11: little bit. There's so much online and great YouTube videos,

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Speaker 11: but just in case too long didn't read, I'm going

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Speaker 11: to take you guys through the hero's journey just a

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Speaker 11: little bit because I think it's something that's going to

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Speaker 11: continue to come up as we talk about Star Wars

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Speaker 11: and Inspas and things.

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Speaker 6: Because again, if you google.

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Speaker 11: Star Wars Wizard of Oz, there's a lot of articles

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Speaker 11: that say, oh, George Lucas ripped off Wizard of Oz,

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Speaker 11: You can say that about anything. The collect term is inspirational, right,

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Speaker 11: So stories The first example of the hero's journey is

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Speaker 11: the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is a Mesopotamian story, is

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Speaker 11: kind of the first credited thing to that. But also

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Speaker 11: there is stuff in Greek mythology, be Wolf, the Odyssey.

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Speaker 11: These are all examples of basically the same plot points

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Speaker 11: happening again and again and again. Hero's journey was first

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Speaker 11: kind of defined by Joseph Campbell in Hero with a

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Speaker 11: Thousand Faces, which we've talked about in the past. One

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Speaker 11: of the kind of backgrounds is Joseph Campbell wanted to

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Speaker 11: study the similarities behind different cultures. Typically, when you would

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Speaker 11: look at something from a sociological or an anthropological perspective,

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Speaker 11: you would always stuy the differences, right, What makes the

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Speaker 11: person from here different from the person from here is

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Speaker 11: these things right? Their composition of you know, these guys

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Speaker 11: were bigger, these guys were skinnier. Because of this and this,

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Speaker 11: Joseph Campbell wanted to study similarities, and so he looked

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Speaker 11: at the stories that different cultures told that were seemingly

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Speaker 11: not in connection with each other. So again, another Star

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Speaker 11: Wars connection is the virgin birth, which appears for Anakin

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Speaker 11: Skywalker and Star Wars episode one. When you see that,

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Speaker 11: immediately as we're watching that in the United States, we're

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Speaker 11: all like, oh, it's like Jesus and Christianity. But there

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Speaker 11: are examples of virgin births in Aztec and Egyptian and

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Speaker 11: all of these other cultures that were not necessarily connected

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Speaker 11: to Christianity at the time that that was happening. So

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Speaker 11: that's how communicate, and they couldn't communicate. Yeah, there's oceans

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Speaker 11: dividing these people. So at similar times humans were telling

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Speaker 11: similar stories. And the hero's journey is basically the pattern

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Speaker 11: in which Joseph Campbell found that people told these heroic stories,

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Speaker 11: which is a twelve kind of a twelve step thing

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Speaker 11: that I'm going to try to go through so quickly

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Speaker 11: because just in case going forward on this podcast, the

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Speaker 11: hero always goes lives in the ordinary world, gets a

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Speaker 11: call to adventure, refuses the call. So if we're looking

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Speaker 11: at Star Wars, call lives on this terrible farm that

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Speaker 11: he can't stand, gets a call to adventure. You know,

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Speaker 11: you must take the droids to Alderon. No, I can't

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Speaker 11: go to Alderon. I need to work here the farm.

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Speaker 11: And you know next season when he meets Obi meeting

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Speaker 11: the mentor, it's when he meets Obi Wan Kenobi crossing

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Speaker 11: the threshold. The famous example of that is when Luke

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Speaker 11: goes to the Cantina and sees this new magical world

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Speaker 11: for the first time, tests allies and enemies. That's the

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Speaker 11: trip to the Death Star where he and Han Solo bond,

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Speaker 11: they meet Princess Leah. That whole thing approach to the

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Speaker 11: innermost cave that is the most dangerous part of the journey.

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Speaker 11: You can point to the trash compactor scene there in

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Speaker 11: a New Hope, the Ordeal the hero face is a

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Speaker 11: major crisis or test. It forces them to confront their

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Speaker 11: deepest fears and weaknesses that can be looked at when

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Speaker 11: Obi Wan Kenobi dies and they have to battle the

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Speaker 11: tie fighters. Then there's reward. The hero overcorns the ordeal

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Speaker 11: and receives the award or gains valuable insight. That's where

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Speaker 11: kind of like Luke decides to go and is given

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Speaker 11: an X waying to battle against the Death Star, and

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Speaker 11: you see the Han bails on.

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Speaker 6: Them at that point the road back.

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Speaker 11: The hero begins their journey back to the ordinary world,

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Speaker 11: often facing new challenges. That's the attack on the Death Star,

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Speaker 11: Big Stark Lighter, his best friend from back home, dies

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Speaker 11: right then and there Resurrection. The hero faces the final

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Speaker 11: test challenge that tests their transformation and growth. Put the

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Speaker 11: target getting computer away, and then you know, learns like Dorothy,

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Speaker 11: the power to win the day is within use the

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Speaker 11: force Luke. The hero returns to the ordinary world carrying

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Speaker 11: a transport formative change. He knows he's going to become

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Speaker 11: a Jedi or knowledge it benefits them and others. So

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Speaker 11: you can apply those twelve steps almost. I mean, you

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Speaker 11: can apply those steps to Toy Story and Woody and

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Speaker 11: Buzz in a lot of ways, you know. So that's

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Speaker 11: going to happen over and over and over as we

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Speaker 11: talk about the things that were inspired by our similarities

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Speaker 11: to Star Wars. That was really long. If you're still

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Speaker 11: with me, Vanessa, you mentioned excuse me, Vanessa, you mentioned

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Speaker 11: Zeb's weapon. It's a bow rifle eighty seventy five. Part

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Speaker 11: of Lisok culture that is an electro staff and a blaster.

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Speaker 11: I was able to find no direct confirmation between Lander,

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Speaker 11: Lando the Puffer Pigs and the minds of Lothal. But

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Speaker 11: I don't think you know, Henry Gilroy and Dave Filoni

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Speaker 11: when they were writing this, I don't think there's any

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Speaker 11: such thing as coincidence. I think that there's probably intent there.

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Speaker 11: The amazing basketball discussion. I don't go deep on basketball

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Speaker 11: like you guys do, but when we took football or baseball,

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Speaker 11: I will be one hundred percent in on that. But

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Speaker 11: one thing that came up in that discussion is Taylor,

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Speaker 11: you called Harah the admiral or David Robinson, and I

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Speaker 11: left me thinking, why is Hara not an admiral? Like

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Speaker 11: she has been part of the rebellion since the inception,

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Speaker 11: but she's still a general even you know, post returned

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Speaker 11: to the Jedi, And what's the deal with that? It

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Speaker 11: seems a little messed up. So I did a little

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Speaker 11: looking into that, and apparently Haarrah commands a specific type

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Speaker 11: of craft. So Harah always stated general because she always

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Speaker 11: commanded a specific type of craft, so starfighters or something

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Speaker 11: like that. Admirals command a group of different types of craft,

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Speaker 11: So Harah probably wanted to stick with her crew and

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Speaker 11: get into the nitty gritty and keep her hands dirty

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Speaker 11: in a way that an admiral kind of has to

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Speaker 11: take one thousand mile macro view on everything. So Harra

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Speaker 11: doesn't need to be or people don't need to be

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Speaker 11: offended on Harr's behalf because it obviously was a personal

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Speaker 11: choice from Harah.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly why I want to bring that up. JS

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Speaker 2: also going to go back and watch Wicked immediately.

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Speaker 3: It's all amazing, well done.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you almost opened up a whole that discussion,

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Speaker 4: like a is someone keeping Harah from being an admiral?

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Speaker 4: Like do we need to get like Isabelle Wilkerson about

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Speaker 4: cass and hierarchy, Like maybe maybe you might have a

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Speaker 4: whole other sociological study. That was awesome As always, JC,

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Speaker 4: there's a reason why people gravitate towards the fact check,

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Speaker 4: including everybody here, and you never let us down. Thank

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Speaker 4: everybody for listen. If you're still with us, I think

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Speaker 4: you're still with us. And if it's only sports fans,

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Speaker 4: now you're gonna realize how big of Star Wars fans

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Speaker 4: you are. And if everybody stuck around then now, as

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Speaker 4: t allude to before, the ven diagram just became a

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Speaker 4: much much bigger circle. We're gonna be back next week

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Speaker 4: to talk about season one, Episode thirteen, Call to Action Again.

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Speaker 4: Three episodes left to season one. Things are really ramping

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Speaker 4: up and we are going to see a lot of action,

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Speaker 4: a lot of cool things, a lot of character expansion

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Speaker 4: as we get towards the end of the season, and

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Speaker 4: we got some other special guests. We're planning to cap

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Speaker 4: off season one, so stay tuned for that. In the meantime,

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Speaker 4: of great emails of cosplay fan art and questions, which

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Speaker 4: tell your friends, Hello, everybody. In the meantime, Send us away,

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Speaker 4: Taylor here.

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Speaker 4: Potter Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcast producer,

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Speaker 4: hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray, and John

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Speaker 4: Ley Brody executive producer and in house Star Wars guru

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Speaker 4: Our music was composed by Mikey Flash. Our cover art

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Speaker 4: this universe we love so much, and of course all

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