1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Give it a chance, give it a chance, give it 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: a chance. Good morning, give it a chance, give it 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: a chance, give it a chance, give it a chance. 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, Give it a you want to give it 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: a chance, give it a chance, give it a chance. 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: Just give it a. 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Poo. 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 3: Happy New Year, Happy New Year, to case first and 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 3: foremost right in front of me, face, okay face, and 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 3: to all you little tiny omars out there, answers, omars, a. 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: Tiny chancers, omars, whatever you consider yourself. 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: That's true, right however you identify, that's true. 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: If you like this podcast, but your team, Kevin, you're 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: an omar. And if you like this podcast and you're in, 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: you're a team Casey, you're a tiny chancer. 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: Okay. 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: And I want division in this country. 18 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, listen, things have been going too smoothly. We 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 3: do need some more division in this country. I feel like, 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: and it's cool that you were the voice to point 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: that out. 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: I think that's what. 23 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, one brave man. 24 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: Do you have any revolutions for this? 25 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: Near revolutions? I feel like if I gave you the 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: honest answer to that question, it's so I roll inducing. 27 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to spare. Well, whatever you asked you asked, 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: I try. I try. I try to. You know, if 29 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 3: you're in a day at a time, you don't need 30 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: resolutions because every New Year's Day is just another day, 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: and you can resolve to try to do a little 32 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: bit different or better every day. And I feel like 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: when I get on the clock with like binding things 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: like a resolution for a year, I tend to get 35 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: in trouble with that kind of thinking. So you know, 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: day to time. I made that up daya time. I'd 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: never heard that day time right now. Actually, when I 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: said it to you, data time, data time, mostly data time, 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: and it's like it was data and goonies or it 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: was data and I think data was Oh oh, he 41 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: was in both, thinking of he was in both two 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: different people because goonies had a data as well. Goonies 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: had a data as well. Data say data. 44 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: But then I call those people data. 45 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: You say data like I have to. 46 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: Back up my data. I have to I have to 47 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: back up my data, right. 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: Like you know, everything's just a data collecting mission. But 49 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: also I say that about when I'm collecting dada as 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: from my own little private Idaho. 51 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: Data is like the art form, right. 52 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, I think, yeah, it was. It was a movement, right, 53 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 3: kind of like Kookie cookie Ship, like cookie Ship. 54 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: Actually that helps us with our transition into this episode 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: cookie Ship. 56 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: I always want to help you transition. 57 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: And do you know how many revolutions I have? 58 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: How many revolutions do you have? 59 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: New Year's revolutions? 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: Not? Yeah, we got it, controversi controvers controversy. 61 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 3: Are we doing the Beatles? Yeah? Wow, New Year's Strength. 62 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to do. 63 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to come out the gate with boxing gloves 64 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: on because it's Boxing Day. 65 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: And yep. 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: I did a little research. I was trying to find 67 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: a group, like a band or artist that is beloved 68 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: but has a song that people don't like. And this 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: one came up a lot, so I decided, let's tackle it, 70 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: Let's give it a chancers. 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: This one came up a lot in your research. The 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: revelation Revelation Revolution nine by the Beatles came up a 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: lot in your research. Is like a song by I mean, 74 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: and there is no more classic band than the Beatles. 75 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: That's the mountaintop. So I like this. I like this 76 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: a lot. There's no one and especially now that Chalome done, 77 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: is you know Dylan Reclamation Project you know, everybody's been 78 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: out on Dylan for fifty sixty years. I'm like the 79 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: only bibs burs. I don't even like him, So I 80 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: think now it's really beatles are the only thing that's left. 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: By the way, shout out to Shalomy for I haven't 82 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: seen it, but he looks his nose looks great. It 83 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: looks a lot like Bob. 84 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 85 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, one little factoid before we transition. I'm so sorry, 86 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: but I do now that we're because this is like 87 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: a kind of post Golden Globes, pre Oscar pod too. 88 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: I did want to point out that Shalomy does use 89 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 3: this is this is the magic of movies. The Leonard 90 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 3: Bernstein knows that what's his name used in the film 91 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: that he directed last year. Yeah, so his playbook, Bradley Coop, 92 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 3: brad Bradley, Bradley Coop's fake nose is now Shalomether's fake nose. 93 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: But permanent. 94 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: It's real. 95 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: But they had it in, they put it in, they 96 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: had it in. 97 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 98 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so just I was going to donate my nose. 99 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: I was actually going to donate my nose science. But 100 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: for movies, science and movies. 101 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 3: They you should because this indicates there's a shortage. It's 102 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: the same nose for these two guys. But now we'll 103 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 3: go back to everyone's favorite Liverpudlians. 104 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: And I just want to say that I would I 105 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: probably listened to this song maybe once in my life. 106 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: It's a song that you you once you hear it once, 107 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: you kind of skip. But I'm excited to listen to it. 108 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: It's long, so I also I also feel like it's 109 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: okay if we don't listen to the whole thing, but 110 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: maybe we'll get in trouble for like, as a podcast 111 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: for skipping. We've done it before, but it's usually been 112 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: like with when there's like. 113 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: Twenty or thirty seconds. Yeah, yeah, I feel like I 114 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: feel like it is potentially in poor faith with our 115 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: trusted listeners if we say we're gonna give this a 116 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: chance and then listen to ninety seconds of it. 117 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: All right here? We got revolution number nine. 118 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: About it? 119 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, yes, exciting. 120 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: Nine, number nine. The music has started. 121 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: Number nine. 122 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: Remember the piano is nice. I forgot about that. 123 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: Sounds like a Beatles thing. Number nine. 124 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: This must have been really crazy in nineteen sixty eight. 125 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: Number nine. I mean, I'm guessing it's the first. It's 126 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: definitely it's like a backwards looping tape experiment thing that's 127 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: taking cues from things more like John Cage and stuff 128 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: like that. Experimental what the heck's. 129 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: Called savant garde? 130 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: Compose your avant garde composed. 131 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: Your yes, yes, Charles, Charles Ivy. 132 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: I just learned something right now? Is he burlives brother? 133 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: I don't. 134 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: I don't. 135 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: I just want to let the chances know to says. 136 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: What's awesome about this experiment is I hope you go 137 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: home and do this or after you listen to this 138 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: or while it's a really truly crazy thing to try 139 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: to listen to and speak during as well. 140 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, I keep dipping the volume because 141 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: it's so chaotic, Like I hope you're like, like you're 142 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: you're pulling a uh. 143 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: I hope that they're doing like a. 144 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: Pink Floyd with the Dark Side of the movie Wizard 145 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: of oz. 146 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: Oh, Wizard of oz right right right, Well, also you 147 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: can do that for Pink Floyd and the show oz 148 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: on HBO. 149 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: So I like this because I think, like, right, like 150 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: this is maybe another first where where bands were I mean, 151 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: they were very experimental always but I think sometimes, you know, 152 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: in the studio, you do some things that you know 153 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: you might fall in love with that is not going 154 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: to make it to the record, and they were like, 155 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: or you know, this is the white album, We're putting 156 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: everything on it. 157 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: Let's throw this on. 158 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I do think this is that period at 159 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: a time where they're, God, it's really kitchen sink stuff. 160 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: It's I really think this is like where like Paul's 161 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: in one room doing like Lady Madonna, John's in another 162 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 3: room just like splicing tape together with you know, George 163 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: or whoever was the assistant Glenn Johns or however those 164 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: people were like the assistant engineers. And I do love 165 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: the idea of yeah, like this does create a kind 166 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: of model for this becomes a feature of like every 167 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: capital I important or album that is straining for the 168 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: sort of like label of importance. Nine nine has like 169 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: some kind of nod to this or iterates from this. 170 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: The thing, of course about this period of time it's 171 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: kind of nuts, is that whoever's doing this is literally 172 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: I don't know if John was literally on the floor 173 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: splicing tape together. I have a sense he might have 174 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: been involved, But there's probably somebody else's job that was. Yeah. 175 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: What's interesting is like in the books, you do learn 176 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: about a lot of like the technicians, Like if you 177 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: if you kind of watch a Beatles documentary or read 178 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: a book, they do give flowers to a lot of 179 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: the people from behind. Obviously, George Martin is the number 180 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: one producer that gets gets shouted out, and he's you know, 181 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: definitely that fifth Yatt, But there are other technicians that 182 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: they kept along and that they that they utilize that 183 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: you kind of hear about. 184 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: Are they a household name? 185 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: No, but it's for the or it was a It's 186 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: amazing that. 187 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: That they would even consider mentioning these people. 188 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: But I guess it's also because there's a there's a 189 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: fan base that wants to know everyone involved. 190 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: I guess that changes it too. 191 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: Totally. Every single morsel of it has been poured over, historicized, mythologized, 192 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: and I think the appetite apparently seems to be endless 193 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: and inexhaustible because we're gonna get four four Beatles movies 194 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: in the next however, many is that your Oh? Yeah, 195 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: what's his name? Sam Mendes That director Shawn Mendez. Shawn Mendez, 196 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: the director who has tendencies. Let's just say that, No, 197 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 3: Shawn Mendes is directing a Four Beatles Movies with Harrison Dickinson. 198 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: Is that that person's name George Harrison. So Sean Menez 199 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: is directing George Harrison The Beatles Movies. 200 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: What the news is? 201 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? And then John and Paul are being played by 202 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,359 Speaker 3: the Menendez brothers. 203 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: John Paul the Pope. John Paul John Paul. 204 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: Is being played by each Menendez brother half of the 205 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: movie each. 206 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: Sewn men brothers. 207 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: Yes, Sean Menandez brothers are directing Four Beatles Movies. 208 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: This conversation is as abstract as the music we're listening to. 209 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: And I think that's so. 210 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: I think that's great. This is the experimental episode of 211 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 3: Give It a Chancy. I mean, I really do hope 212 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: people sit and listen to this. What's happening right now 213 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: is like in my left channel, there's like a really fast, 214 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: like almost drill drone, single note guitar thing. 215 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: That's me. It's not the song, that's me. 216 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 3: That's case. I feel like a glitch happening that was you. 217 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you can't do that. That's not fair. 218 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 3: I really looked with my mind. Oh it told me 219 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: my internet connection is unstable people, so lets see what happens. 220 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna shut my VID off so you'll just see 221 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: my name. Now there's a choir. 222 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 4: Oh, I like this, Sjohn's voice, laughing some like laser beams. 223 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 3: It's funny. It's like the oral equivalent of the last 224 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 3: Scotson scene of two thousand and one Space, you know 225 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 3: what I mean? Like everything like that also came a 226 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: shorthand for something that has been endlessly replicated that like 227 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: everything everywhere, all at once, streaming at you. No, And 228 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: I think what you were saying before about the personnel 229 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: stuff too, it's funny because I do think like they 230 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 3: were a party to like cultural history, those people because 231 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: like and facilitating it, because it is kind of nuts. 232 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: If you, I know, there's nothing new that can be 233 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: said about this stuff. But if you look at like 234 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: the White Album is nineteen sixty eight, We're listening to 235 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: you right now, which is an eight and a half 236 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: minute abstract tape collage by the most famous singer in 237 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: the world, basically is happening six years removed from them, 238 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: like playing clubs in Hamburg covering like Elvis songs or whatever. 239 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: The leap. It's almost impossible to overstate the speed at 240 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: which this moved and the degree to which the leap 241 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: was like you know, not to not to but too 242 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 3: fine a point on it, but revolutionary. And I'm your host, 243 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: Gaisy Gaze. 244 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm sure it's probably talked about, but 245 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: I think I think that the the the studio as 246 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: an instrument is something that gets brought up sometimes with 247 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: the Beatles, and this is an example of how, like, 248 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, the music was changing so much and artists 249 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: were like living in the studio and doing so much more. Obviously, 250 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, Brian Wilson is a huge of ones on 251 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: this as well, and so it was a chance for 252 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: them to put their hands on something other than a 253 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: guitar or a piano. It was like actual tape and 254 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: reversing things and distortion and all that stuff. 255 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: Now does that make a good song? Right? 256 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: That's what we're trying to talk about today, right, Like, 257 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: and I would say that my chances are on this. 258 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: Aside from that, it's. 259 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: I love that you're trying to give this a chance 260 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: in the midst of total chaos. I definitely can't even 261 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: think about the chance till sixteen seconds from now. But please, 262 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 3: this is awesome. 263 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: You're an Olynthian or about to end our listening session. 264 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's done. 265 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: So I would say that my chancer is that, aside 266 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: from it being like an experimental song for its time, 267 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: my other chance is it's on the white album, right, 268 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: and we mentioned that briefly, but it's like on a 269 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: double album. I think you're allowed to throw some extras on, 270 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: especially if you're sort of saying that this is a 271 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: texture for this album, that this is just like, this 272 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: is something else that we did that is embodies they 273 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: not only the time of nineteen sixty eight, because obviously 274 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: the whole country was changing so much that. 275 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: The world, Yeah, the Western world for sure. 276 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was like you know, it's it's sort 277 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: of drugs and things like that as well. 278 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: It's like it really in some ways. 279 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: My chance is that that's more indicative of the time 280 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: than and you know, you know, Savory Trouble or Honey 281 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: Pie for sure is not indicative of the time. That's 282 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: like a throwback, you know, but I will skip this 283 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: for the rest. 284 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: Of my life. That's my chance. 285 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 3: An anty chance, Yeah, I understand. I feel like, how 286 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: many times does one need to listen to that to 287 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: I mean, on the one hand, if you are a 288 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: it really does depend on what you are looking for. 289 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: And again, this is like we talk about subjectivity all 290 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: the time on this podcast, because I think you can't 291 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: talk about entertainment or art without like centering it in subjectivity. 292 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: Like one person's nickelback is another person's Beatles, and one 293 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: person's Beatles is another person's. Like it's so funny. I 294 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: think about this, like, so this isn't this is the 295 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: most famous music act of all time and to that point, 296 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: of all time, right, and they are this is an 297 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: experimental piece of music, rightight? By this act, I wonder 298 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: what an actual like like lifelong avant garde experimental. I 299 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: would love to read that and research that, Like what 300 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: did these people, these composers think of this, because I 301 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: think about something like AFX twin right, that guy Richard James, 302 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: is that his name? And like when Radiohead takes this 303 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: turn around, okay, computer kid a And one of the 304 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: things and Radiohead is thought of is they're not the Beatles, 305 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: but they might be the most critically acclaimed band of 306 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: the last twenty five years. Roundly, they're pretty, they're up 307 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 3: there top two or three. When they were making that music. 308 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: One of the things Tommy York would always talk about 309 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: was that band was Afex Twin, and I feel like 310 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 3: what was so funny was Richard james Is asked about 311 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: it at some point, like, oh, what do you think 312 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: about kid A or whatever, and He's like, I don't 313 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: really think anything about it. It's kind of like garbage. 314 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: It's not very good. And that indicates like even the 315 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: coolest thing in the world, there's people who are actually 316 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: maybe you can make the argument Aphex Twin had been 317 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 3: like living in that style of presentation or a version 318 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 3: of it for his whole development, and so he was like, 319 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: this is a bunch of like educated kids from Oxford 320 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: with guitars trying to like make blips and bloops music. 321 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 3: It's and so the context is everything, and with respect 322 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: to like the chance or not a chance, Like what 323 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: do you want from a song? I don't want this 324 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 3: the way I want the other revolution. I listen to 325 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: that song over and over again. It's a perfect song, 326 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: but you're. 327 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: Still right, like the point of view or like the 328 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: listener it like you know, decides always the listener decides 329 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: how they feel about the work of art, right, But 330 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: it depends on whose. 331 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: Lens your listener. 332 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so for instance, like if the Backstreet Boys 333 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: put out a song, like an experimental song like this, 334 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: which is a good parallel because. 335 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: You know the I almost called them the BC Beatles Boys. 336 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: They I mean, actually the BC Boys is an example 337 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: of this where these like eighty it morons that like, 338 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: we're definitely capable and came from like the right you 339 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: know mindset of going from like already from punk to 340 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: hip hop, started to make you know, more jazzy experimental 341 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: albums later on and push limits. So that's a good 342 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: example of it. But if they really was like a 343 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: pop group, right, because when they started it was like 344 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: she Loves You. It was like this real bubblegum pop 345 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: to do this, if the lenses someone like Philip Glass 346 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: or you know, Charles Ives or right, like, that person's 347 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: probably like, why, why is in sync you know making 348 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: this kind of music Like that's you know, like that's 349 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: probably what they were thinking, or maybe they go, this 350 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: is so fun. I think it's really fun that what 351 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: I thought was bubble gum. The same how we feel 352 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: about Bacie Boys, right, Like, which is which is, and 353 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: I I like the early BC Boys stuff too. Some 354 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: of it doesn't age as well, but it's more so 355 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: actually their antics off stage that didn't totally. Yeah, a 356 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: lot of those rhymes and stuff are still fun for 357 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: what it is, but I like that they took this 358 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: experimental path. I think Radio haads another good comp so 359 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: it's ultimately I do think that if these avant garde 360 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: composers are as open minded as they sure, they would 361 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: have an open mind towards this totally. 362 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 3: And I think that there's probably two schools. I bet 363 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: there were people who were probably endlessly thrilled without knowing this, 364 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: like Gospel Oak knowing it. I'm pretty sure if we 365 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 3: did the research, I bet there were people in those 366 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: avancarde communities also who like John. The thing about culture 367 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: at that moment, too, is it was like everything was 368 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: bleeding into everything else. I'm not going to turn this 369 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: into like a D list D rate sixties. You can 370 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: find all this stuff better places than this podcast, but 371 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: I just mean like it was at that moment everything 372 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 3: was like sloshing around into one another. And John is 373 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 3: with Yoko Ono, it was like a you know, a 374 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 3: claimed avant garde artist and I'm sure he was meeting 375 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: all of these people through that relationship. I'm also sure 376 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 3: whoever the fuck the Beatles wanted to meet in nineteen 377 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: sixty seven eight, whether you were an avant garde or 378 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: artist or like a head of state, they probably could 379 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 3: meet them. And all of this stuff is becoming like internalized, 380 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: and it's kind of like mirroring whatever's happening in like 381 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: experimental film and even like certain writing poetry, certain things 382 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 3: that are and I think that it's you know, there 383 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: is this thing where everything's kind of like bleeding in 384 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: and out. So it's like I would imagine that there 385 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: was some population in those avant garde communities that was 386 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: thrilled that like the biggest thing in the world had 387 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 3: on its double record, which, by the way, another casual 388 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 3: thing the Beatles are kind of credited with inventing, is 389 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 3: like a double album sort of loosely conceptual or whatever 390 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 3: by you know, which then becomes like a staple of 391 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: rock music and beyond moving forward. But it feels like 392 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 3: I'm sure there were some people that were like the 393 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 3: coolest thing in the world is that these like bubblegum, 394 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 3: these guys that were this bubblegum pop act that are 395 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 3: now mirroring the culture as the culture mirrors them is 396 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: putting like an eight and a half minute tape experiment 397 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 3: on their double album. And then I'm sure there were 398 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: other more provincial gatekeepy people that were like, you know, 399 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 3: we don't want those people sullying our you know, the 400 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: purity or sanctity of our And I understand arguments from 401 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 3: both sides of that, but also at the end of 402 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 3: the day, it's like I would think that I'm and 403 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: I guarantee it did. I'm sure that Revolution nine got 404 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 3: some amount of people to check out some of the 405 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: music and art movements we're talking about who would have 406 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 3: never been interested in that before. 407 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: You know, it is really interesting a song like this 408 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: because it is such a tent pole and it's it 409 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: goes both ways, right, Because I was I did like 410 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: a yoga class the other day and there was this 411 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: like nice ambient I know flex and actually actually literal flex. 412 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: There was this ambient music playing and I was like, oh, 413 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: I don't have no idea what this is. I love it. 414 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: I like love I don't know what it is. I 415 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: should listen to this more. It feels great and it 416 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: was just also the right place at the right time, 417 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: but that if you track it back far enough, there's 418 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: like moments in this song that probably influenced the mold. 419 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: The other things are brought it to such a forefront 420 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: that ambient music probably took off to a certain degree eventually, 421 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: But then it also pushes you backwards. So it's like, 422 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: can it connects yoga elevator ambient music to those you know, 423 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: those avant garde musicians of the past, right and like 424 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: all the Pink Floyd's and radioheads in between. Like it's 425 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: I think that it's really interesting. But I will say, though, 426 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: if I'm trying to really be like treat this one 427 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: song as like the the whole thing, and if it's 428 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: totally like here's the Beatles and played that song, I'd 429 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: be like, this band is doing something. 430 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: But they suck butt well, but they suck. But they said, 431 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: but what? 432 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: And I just want to briefly say because it's important 433 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: when I when things like this. It's like Mookie Wilson 434 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty six on the Mets when he was 435 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 3: talking about that at bat in the tenth inning where he. 436 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: Kept wearing the shirt. 437 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: Today too, I have to wear it's a Wally Backman shirt. 438 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, but Mookie did say he was going The Bible 439 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: says thou shalt not pass without offering, and that's what 440 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: his thought process was. I'm not going to be holding 441 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 3: the bat. I'm going to swing the bat whatever, and 442 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 3: however this works out, I'm not going to be the 443 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: guy holding the bat at the end of this. You 444 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 3: know this it bat And I bring that up to say, 445 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: I can't believe how long I've taken a get to 446 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: what we're about to get to. So excited. I just 447 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: want to say that when you said you were in 448 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: the yoga class and the song hit you and it 449 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: must have been the right place at the right time, 450 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 3: what I thought was, do you know maybe this is 451 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: for a future episode? You know, somebody goes, I must 452 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: have been the right place, but it must have been 453 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 3: the wrong time. And if you don't know that song, 454 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 3: then I'm glad I just spent ninety full seconds of 455 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 3: this episode. 456 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 2: What is it? 457 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 3: Wait? 458 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: What song is it? 459 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: That must have been the right please? But I thought 460 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 3: it was the wrong time. Anyway, this is not I. 461 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: Think you're singing. You're making it sound too good. What 462 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: song is? Oh? 463 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: Thank you? Oh, it's the one that goes It must 464 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: have been the right place, but it must have been 465 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 3: the wrong time. How does that sound? 466 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: Sounds like a Dave Matthews band? 467 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 3: Like does this look like aphext One? Oh? 468 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: Is that aphex One that sings it? 469 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: That does? 470 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 3: Know? 471 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: It does look like that video? 472 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: Though, all right, look, I'm sorry, so forget about what 473 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 3: I was just saying. I just wanted to talk about 474 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: the yoga a little bit more in the right place 475 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 3: in the wrong time, and I want to talk about 476 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 3: Mookie Wilson in the Bible. But now let's get back 477 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: on track with Revolution number nine and sucks. But so 478 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: for me, yes, if someone presented and I think what 479 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: you're doing is important because it even it's been evidenced 480 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: in this episode, it is almost impossible to speak, at 481 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: least for me, it's almost impossible to speak like objectively 482 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 3: about the Beatles, not even that the Beatles are like 483 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 3: my favorite band or something, but I almost think, like, 484 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 3: there's kind of no, they're perfectly rated. There's no way 485 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: to under like, you can't overseell what this music meant 486 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 3: to like it's it's it's the band that sailed ten 487 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 3: million ships. Like everything you could. 488 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: It's like it's like being like, oh, I like I 489 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: like plants, but I hate. 490 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: That seed right totally. 491 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: It like it made the it made the plants, like 492 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: it made so much. 493 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 3: I think that's accurate and but but at the same time, 494 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: you can you need to have some kind of like 495 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 3: critical apparatus and objectivity to drop in on like any 496 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: anything that exists in culture. Nothing's above reproach or a both, 497 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 3: not even reproach above critical analysis, certainly not them. And yeah, 498 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 3: what I think what's interesting is when I'm thinking about 499 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 3: giving this a chance from a critical perspective, I think 500 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: one of the reasons maybe I just kind of unlocked 501 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: this for myself. I keep coming back to whatever the 502 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: avant garde community may have thought about it, is that 503 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: I do wonder if one of the things is like, 504 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 3: maybe this is too heady and not musical either, But 505 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: if one of the things is like, you know, it's 506 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 3: like it's a privileged rock star sitting on the floor 507 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 3: of a studio with some guy working for him, cutting 508 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 3: up a bunch of bullshit and being like it's art. Now, 509 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 3: I'm already going to contradict myself because part of me 510 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 3: feels like well, what else is art? Isn't art exactly 511 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: what I just described, whether the person whatever, the material 512 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 3: conditions of the artist. But of course the difference between 513 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 3: some person making this music in Berlin or this collage 514 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 3: is not really music in Berlin in nineteen sixty three 515 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 3: and John Lennon is that John Lennon knew fifty million 516 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 3: people or whatever would hear this? Yes, And so yeah, 517 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 3: there is something to be said about like walking into 518 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 3: that like to. But the other side of that is 519 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 3: to be in the position that John Lennon was in 520 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 3: and be like, this is how I want to spend 521 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: eight minutes of my band's record is to me kind 522 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: of a foundational thing for the entirety of what I've 523 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: built my life around thinking about, like music and culture. 524 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 3: So I suppose keep being pulled away on the level 525 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: of what we do on this podcast. It's the biggest 526 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,239 Speaker 3: thing to say about this song critically, is Is it 527 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 3: even a song like one eight seven seven Cars for 528 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: Kids is more legibly a song by a factor of 529 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: exponents than this. And so if I'm going to like 530 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 3: give a chance to if I'm going to find basis 531 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: to critique this on the level of is it oh, 532 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 3: is it a good or bad song? I would say 533 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: that the question is like is this even a song? 534 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: And even further is this even music? And then the 535 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 3: second layer of criticism would be and as what it 536 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: is purported to be, how does it hold up as 537 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 3: like a piece of avant garde tapage? You know what 538 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: I mean? 539 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: No, I I definitely I will say that I one 540 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: hundred percent will tell you that that that it is 541 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: a song because going back to John Cage, she's got 542 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: that uh it's like four minutes and thirty three seconds 543 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: and it's and it's and he actually has like sheet 544 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: music for it and it's all rests. It's like yes, right, 545 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: And I think what he's trying to tell you is 546 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: that this is the music can even be silence, right, 547 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: and so that in that sense, music can also just 548 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: be U you know, eight minutes of suck butt and 549 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: that's and if it's and I think if it's on 550 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: a recording, if it's on if it's on an album, 551 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: I kind of think it's a song. 552 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: But what you are describing and this is part of 553 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 3: what I think I know shocker with the Beatles, this 554 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: is the challenge. And I love that you picked up 555 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: this particular gauntlet. I think it's like, what you just 556 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: did is kind of it roots it in. Why I 557 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: end up giving it a chance is because it's that's 558 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 3: the art experiment. They actually turned a pop group's you know, 559 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: number one record on a multinational corporation you know whatever 560 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: at EMI or whatever at that point into like a 561 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: site for a philosophical art experiment, which is what even 562 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: is a song? What even is music? And they did 563 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: it as arguably the upper end most, upper endth percentile 564 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: avatars of capital s song, the Church of song. Maybe 565 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: no bigger one of the things about the Beatles, it's 566 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 3: probably under reported to a degree or under if there is, 567 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: if that exists, perhaps at least at their genesis and 568 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 3: even throughout no greater collection of music fans as a band, like, 569 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: they were so voracious about all that they were internalizing 570 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: and and and what's the word synthesizing, And I think 571 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: this proves to this indicates the expansion of that both 572 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 3: in what their appetites were and then also in what 573 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: their their excrement to be, you know what I mean, excreciu. 574 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, no, I think you're right. And they gave 575 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: such a beautiful homework assignment. You're finally right. They gave 576 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: a homework assignment to their fans to be like, play 577 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: this backwards and listen to it, and it's like all 578 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: like it's almost like I can't remember when the Paul's dead, right, 579 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: That's what it is. Paul's dead, and I know that 580 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: they on this record. I think is is a green. 581 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: Ass onion where he says like, here's another clue. 582 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, and I think maybe this 583 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: was more of it. 584 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 1: And it really is such a weird album because you know, 585 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: it's got this, it's got Revolution number nine, but it's 586 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: also got like you know, it's. 587 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 3: Got blackbirds, Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has Goofy Goofy Ship, 588 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: some of the most beautiful stuff they've ever recorded, simple, simple, forward, beautiful, 589 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 3: and then honestly some of the coolest John stuff to me, like, 590 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 3: uh feel so lonely, want to die, like these songs 591 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: that are just like bracing and fucking crazy. It balanced 592 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 3: against peak Paul sweetness, melodic genius stuff, George coming on 593 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 3: and then this kind of shit plus like weird Goofy nonsense. 594 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 3: It is a really prismatic experience and weirdly it is 595 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 3: the record of theirs. Weirdly, it is the record of theirs. 596 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: I end up going back to the most often, Like 597 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 3: when I put a Beatles record on, it's it was 598 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: at a time revolver. It is for the last like 599 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 3: fifteen years probably most. I mean maybe this happens once 600 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 3: a year, but I go through a like, oh, I 601 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 3: want to listen to the White album, which checks out, 602 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 3: because that's how I am with like a kid a 603 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 3: A Ghost is born by Wilco. It's always like the 604 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: record after the record somehow is the one that I'm like, 605 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 3: what were they doing there? And that tends to be 606 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. You know, maybe that's 607 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 3: something for me to bring up with mine therapist, and 608 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 3: I'd like to bring her in right now. 609 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: It's me Janet. I've always liked this record too. 610 00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: I've always liked. 611 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: I've always been my like one of my number like 612 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: it's always in the top three spot for me is 613 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: Happiness is a Warm Gun because I think it's every 614 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: Beatles song in one. It's got like, it's got something 615 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: for every fan. 616 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,239 Speaker 3: It's perfect, It's perfect. You ever hear the Breeders cover it? 617 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I know that cool. 618 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 3: We wouldn't have to give that a chance, people because 619 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: verdict send say says thumbs up. 620 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: Janet. 621 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: It Also, you know White album also has that offspring 622 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: song why No Now, why don't You get a job? 623 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: Love that? Love that? Yeah? Yeah yeah. 624 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: So long story, short, insumacious. Before we fully summarize, I 625 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: do want to say that interesting to cap it at 626 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: eight minutes and thirty seconds, right, because this could be 627 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: they could have dropped a ten minute forty minute song 628 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: or like a like, honestly, you get the idea of 629 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: the whole thing at like three minutes. 630 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: You kind of get the idea like yeah, seventy five 631 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 3: seconds maybe even yeah, yeah, but yes. 632 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: I mean there's some nice moments like that. 633 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: You know, the choir comes in, I love the piano 634 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: at the beginning, there's like a there was a couple 635 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: of things that I was listening to that was different 636 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: this time, and you know there I can understand why 637 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: they might want to make it somewhere between you know, 638 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: three and five, but eight is pretty wild. But that's 639 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: also maybe they're them flexing like to be like this 640 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: is not like the same, you know, because they have 641 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: they have songs that could go up to like five minutes. Sure, 642 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's not being like look, look, look if you 643 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: this is a long this is a long tune. 644 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah you're gonna and if I and and it's it's 645 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 3: it's a it's a kind of a staring contest with 646 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: the audience too, like you're where Yeah, you're kind of 647 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 3: inviting them to engage in on these terms. And I 648 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 3: think what you're You're right, And the thing I would 649 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 3: ultimately another as we land this, I would a chance 650 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 3: has to be given to the fact that like I 651 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 3: don't know, I've I haven't listened to this all the 652 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 3: way through probably in ten years, like actively, not as 653 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 3: like in the background, and there was it's like where's Waldo. 654 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 3: You'll hear different thing, You'll like be like straining for 655 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 3: different things every time. Yeah, yeah, yoga. So I just 656 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 3: want to say that at the end of the day, 657 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 3: I give this a chance. 658 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, same same as I. This was almost an Octopus's 659 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: Garden episode. At LISTA wanted me to do that and 660 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: she was like, you get to talk about Ringo all 661 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: that stuff, and I was like, I think that didn't 662 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: about Ringo at all. There's a version on the anthology. 663 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: I think of this and it has like a drum. 664 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's a. 665 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: Turning off your mind. 666 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: Relax and float downstream. 667 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: Right, that's a better run. 668 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's kind of a versions. Yeah, that's sort 669 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 3: of a more that's like a capitalist son it is 670 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 3: it is. 671 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: Anyway, there's a version where Ringo plays a really dope 672 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: beat on it. 673 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 2: And that's all I want to say about that. 674 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 3: Nice Ringo. Shout us out next time you're doing your 675 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: own pod and everybody chance out. 676 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: Ye