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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stepan

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Speaker 1: Never told your protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: another segment of activists around the world. And before we start, though,

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Speaker 1: because we are going to talk about legacies and like

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Speaker 1: kind of a family tree and just people you look

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Speaker 1: up to. We've talked about legacies before, things that we

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Speaker 1: remember that we hope to leave behind. But is there

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Speaker 1: something that your mother or someone important in your life

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Speaker 1: who has either given you advice, said something, or did

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Speaker 1: something that you hope to carry not only in your life,

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Speaker 1: but to like pass it on. Yeah, yeah, I think. Um,

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Speaker 1: I was very very fortunate that I think I've told

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Speaker 1: the stream in brief before on the show. But I

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Speaker 1: won this award when I was in high school and

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Speaker 1: like it had really contributed to how you got where

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Speaker 1: she was just so sweet about it, and people told me, like,

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Speaker 1: educators at that young level normally don't get nominated, and

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Speaker 1: she told me that I was just like, but you

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Speaker 1: had such a big impact on my life. And I

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Speaker 1: who's very sentimental. He was a very like he had

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Speaker 1: a good way with words, he said, because I didn't

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Speaker 1: know what it's gonna say, and he was like, you

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Speaker 1: should say she's the architect of your dreams or whatever,

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Speaker 1: something very sweet and nice and sounded really good. Instead,

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Speaker 1: how I probably would have been in jail if not

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Speaker 1: But I came down and I talked to her afterwards,

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Speaker 1: like I really went that extra step to help you succeed. Right,

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Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, I think for me, I was

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Speaker 1: just remember it was nothing like a short statement, because

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Speaker 1: remember that people talk about because she was a significant person, um,

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Speaker 1: And she was a teacher at my high school. She

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Speaker 1: to whomever she had wronged. Essentially, it wasn't even a

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Speaker 1: Berta Caceres so Zenica Cases life has always been encompassed

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Speaker 1: Her mother helped found the Council of Popular Indigenous Organizations

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Speaker 1: throughout her life. During her activism, Betras was able to

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Speaker 1: the wildcarc of her Her activism and her work had

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Speaker 1: And when she was asked how she continues to be motivated,

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Speaker 1: with justice and truth as tenets of our struggle. When

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Speaker 1: I grow disappointed by the system of impunity, what strengthens

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Speaker 1: go on UM? Yes, and again, when she was asked

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