WEBVTT - Stolen w/ Celia Weston 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:28.080 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Done Done, Hi, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.960 and Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.879 I'm Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger. We talk SVU 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:39.720 week talk crimes. We have guests, celebs. It's really a 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.480 jam packed, amazing podcast and we love that you listen 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.040 to it. What's that bitch? I have not been in 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.920 the country for over three weeks. 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:49.440 I'm back. I'm back in New York. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.879 Had an aggressive cab driver and I feel right at 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:53.680 home where I belong. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.000 I like it. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:57.600 But he had the worst toenails I'd ever seen, and 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:58.680 it might haunt me forever. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.920 I'm sorry, How did you see your cab driver's toenails? Well, 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.680 he put my bag in the car, obviously my bag 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:06.319 is and he was wearing a man and he was 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.240 wearing a mandle. He was wearing a mandles and it 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.800 was like some of the it was the worst. It was. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.040 It's gonna haunt me forever. I can't I really can't 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:19.000 handle a bad toe. I really really can't, Like, I 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:19.440 just like. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.880 Put on a clog, sir, what are you doing? Yeah, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:23.640 it's like a nylon. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.559 I don't know. It was crumbling in front of my eyes. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.640 My husband gets pedicures like regularly, and he is like, 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.680 I can't believe I never did these, Like I feel 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.240 like I'm walking on a cloud and it really has 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.200 improved things. He's got good feet now. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.480 Yeah, it's nice that men have learned, like, I don't know, 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:42.720 just get your feet done. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.280 Yeah, yeah, we have to look at them so fucking 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.680 get it together. It's like the least you could fucking do, 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:53.800 like nose hair and fucking toes. Just do it. Yeah, 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:54.560 I agree. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.760 I also say something horrific in London and I don't 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.640 know if you want to be horrified to or not, 0:01:58.680 --> 0:01:59.840 but it's gonna live in my mind. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.720 See, I want to know it's not that bad. Okay. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.800 Basically it was unfortunately a man on the street with 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.359 his laying down with his butt fully out covered fully 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.920 and shit everywhere, smeared shit, and there was like a 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:13.799 crowd around him. 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.000 So I went ooh, I wonder what's going on? 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.000 And then I saw him and then a woman was 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.600 helping him, but I was like, this will not leave me. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.640 So those are the things that wow, can we put 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.840 like a pickup in where I go. Okay, if you're 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.639 one of those people that got offended at that thing, 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.320 Lisa said a few episodes ago, yeah, LEAs fast forward 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.240 because that's another poop con and I don't even like 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.880 poop humor. But nothing of this fun. You're not laughing, 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.960 You're just telling me the story. But it is wild. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.840 I was like in Lapland, in the pure forest in 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:46.919 the Arctic, and that wasn't the first thing I told 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.280 any of our listeners. All I said was there was 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.440 shit in an ugly toe. That's like what I came 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:51.960 back from. 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.600 Literally, you were on the trip of a lifetime for 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.040 ten days dream trip, and you're like, oh, I saw 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.080 a guy covered in shit in London. First thing first reported. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:06.200 My friend got married in a beautiful ceremony. But that's 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.040 what I said because I also was like an amazing 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.079 crew in production and I was obsessed with everyone and 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.160 I can't wait to see them all again. But the 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.280 first story I told you was like the one person 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.320 I didn't get along. Yeah, it's like not a good 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:16.760 brain time. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.880 I was like, yeah, was it? It sounded amazing. Well, 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.160 this one fucking bitch. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.040 But even that's fun, you know, like we experienced that 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:27.200 on about threat party once. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:28.720 It is fun to have a common enemy. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.400 Yeah, you know, yeah, it keeps the tension off of 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.520 everyone else because no one's gonna hate each other more 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:34.200 than that bitch. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.920 So it's like nice, Yes, for sure, a common enemy 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:38.480 can be fun. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.520 Yeah, what did I miss? Your child turned one? You know, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.320 my child says you don't like Oliver. He's like locked 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.880 in the cupboard like Cinderella cleaning already. 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.080 A little nugget, my little smiley nugget. Oscar turned one. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.200 I made it to a year. Yeah, I'm excited. We're 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.280 having a little birthday party for him this weekend, joint 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.440 with another one year old. So it's like a little party. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.000 Because Rosie's birthday was so recently, it's like I just 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.160 can't get involved in another full solo party. I needed 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.040 someone else to share the work with me. So joint 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.960 party this weekend the day I land from New York. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.840 It's just gonna be great. I can't wait. Yeah, you guys, 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:15.080 so Kara is meeting. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.159 Well it's not for me, but we will both be 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.840 in New York together this weekend, so we will probably 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.000 go live. We'll go live, and this is in the past, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.640 so you'll you will have maybe seen us live together 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:26.240 in New York. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.320 We are in the time machine. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.360 Is so annoying and now it's even more annoying, and 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.440 we're so happy to be at the Wundry family. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:37.960 But it has made the time machine even more aggressive. Yeah, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.840 it has made it hard. Yeah. But well, like speaking 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.359 of the time machine, I just want to touch on 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:47.880 this very briefly because it is annoying. But this is 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.839 time machine, so this will have the old news. But 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.440 the Amber heard verdict and Johnny Depp verdict just came 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.880 out moments before we were recording this podcast, and she 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.279 got found guilty and it's just, I mean not guilty 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.520 because it's not a criminal trial, it's a civil trial. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.240 She has to pay, she has to pay. She got 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.200 asked to pay him ten million and then three million, 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.919 and he has to pay her two million. So I 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.160 don't even know if this bitch has eleven million dollars. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.400 I also feel as though she I think they have 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.200 been in a mutually abusive relationship. That's my opinion from 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.440 what I've gathered. But I also think people are acting 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.480 like she completely invented all of her abuse, and I 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.040 don't think that that's true, And I think that that's 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:31.080 misogyny at its best. So and also bots have been 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.359 taking over the Internet supporting Johnny Depp, like there have 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:35.680 been troll farms in job. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.080 But people have loved Johnny Depp for years because like they, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.360 I mean, people have Johnny Depp. There's a man with 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.520 Johnny Depp tattoos all over his back of all the 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.479 different characters he's played, you know what I mean, Like, yeah. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.119 I just I've never realized he had such a deep 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.520 fan base. But I also think that right now the 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.400 world is on fucking fire in so many different ways 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.760 that this is like the case that everybody feels like 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.760 they can joke about. Talked about this on Hysteria today, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.160 but like everybody feels like this is like, oh, this 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:05.920 is two celebrities that are just like seeing each other 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:07.720 for money. This is like the funny thing, like the 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.560 punchline news story that we can talk about, and it 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.600 just feels like she's getting Monica Lewinski, that's all. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.840 Yeah, I mean, I also do think she's a crazy 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.200 bitch like I do. Sure, And so to me, I'm 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.440 just pissed because also, like what you said with the bots, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.640 it's like in cell like bait, it's cat NAPTI in cells. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.320 To them to have a false accusation out there, to 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.120 have one woman lie, it's like this is all they 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.880 need forever and ever. So that's why I'm mad at Emberhurd, 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.760 because it's like, you're gonna make it harder for fucking everybody, 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:41.520 any women to come forward anymore. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.080 Now people have to be scared about civil trials. And 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.360 I also think he was abusive to her. You don't, 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:47.159 I don't know. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.240 I've been not paying attention because I've been so like 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.760 bummed about what this is gonna do for like victims 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:54.760 to come for decades. 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.000 Yeah, it's a bummer. It's a real bummer. And this 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.440 is civil luckily it's not criminal. But like he sued 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.560 her for defamation over something that she wrote in an 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.520 op ed. That's what the whole case was about. She 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:08.600 wrote and said I'm a victim of domestic violence. She 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.240 did not name him like nothing, and he started this 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.560 whole lawsuit that brought in so much more dirt about 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.880 him that he defamed himself. Like now there's all this 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.400 shit everybody knows, Like he's got old managers and old 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.880 agents saying, this fucking guy orders a case of wine 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.080 to his house every day. He's got a staff of 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.760 forty people, and like they all are on eggshells around 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.880 him because he's a psycho, Like he shows up late 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.760 to set, he punched someone on a set. I mean, 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.360 like he's not He's no angel, fucking Johnny Dutch. No, 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:39.040 I don't think so. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.800 But you're totally right because I've only just been on 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.960 the internet, like just Twitter, Instagram, and yeah, I did 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:46.440 not hear or see any of that. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:47.400 Yeah, the. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:53.800 Amber being like a dumb bitch, I understand, like calling 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.600 someone that's a victim of abuse like a crazy bitch 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.440 might be seen as bad, but also crazy bitches could 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.320 get attacked, do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.800 that's the whole idea of like perfect and imperfect victims 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.240 that's annoying, where it's like all these people that might 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.600 lie or have records or do other things can still 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:10.200 be abused. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.200 People in jail get raped all the time. So I 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.120 like my moments of being a crazy bitch. Yeah, I've 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.160 been a crazy bitch in some moments of my life. 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.400 You know, I don't know if I trust her in 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.640 terms of like I don't know what I let her 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:22.400 borrow a top. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.120 I don't know. Yeah, on the Amber Heard trust scale, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:26.640 it's like I let her borrow a top. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.320 I don't think i'd let her watch my kids. But 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.640 you know, yeah, and she's allowed to be a crazy bitch. 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.679 I mean that's at the end of the day, you know, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.600 and she could still be someone that deserves empathy. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:41.160 And justice and justice in a fair trial. Yeah, it's all. 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.760 And what's wild is like everybody's making money on this, 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.400 Like right wing websites are like post spending all this 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.760 money to push their Amber Herd Johnny Depp shit on 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.960 Facebook and also like Etsy people are making like you know, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.480 like justice for Johnny shit, and like YouTube people are 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.520 completely pivoting their content. They're like, Okay, no makeup to 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.560 toial today. Instead, I'm just gonna give my hot take 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.240 on the Depth Herd trial. Like everybody's just trying and 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.280 they're getting thousands and thousands of hits. Like everybody's just 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.200 like obsessed with this shit right now. So I just 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.040 figured we had to address it. But it feels like 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.200 it's misogyny, but I also think it was a mutually 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.080 abusive relationship and that she's not completely innocent, but that 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:20.960 she has been a victim in my opinion. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.640 Yeah, I just seem scared what this will do forever, 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.000 Like I'm just so annoyed to sit at any comedy 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.600 club ever again and this topic come up, Like I know, 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:30.640 but it's just like. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.840 Me, so I hear exactly what you're saying. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.160 Well, because even so I just went on Instagram obviously 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.320 it's a tick and I'm addicted, and it was Whitney 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.160 Cummings Live with Tiffany Hattish and she was saying the 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:43.960 craziest shit. I was like, I have to log off 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.560 because I also caught it in the middle. But Whitney 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.880 was pretty much saying like, you need to think twice 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.800 before you come forward, because then your name is going 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.160 to be associated with this person forever. And you need 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.160 to pick your battles and anytime you get abused, you 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.640 better write it down, send an email, tele friend, because 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.240 that's what you need. And it sucks, but you need 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.040 evidence and you need to realize if it's worth it 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.120 or not to come forward because of your name, and 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.000 you'll always be attached to this person. And I was like, 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.719 oh my god, like, shit's about I just like I 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.600 don't know. Yeah, I'm just nervous for everybody else forever, 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.760 and it's always like one step forward, eighty steps back constantly. Yeah, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.280 because even like years ago, I got into an argument 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:26.880 with a bunch of comics and they were talking about 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:28.960 the few women that light about Bill O'Reilly. I was like, 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.400 but didn't dozens of them tell the truth? 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:31.800 Yeah? 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.040 I'm like, why is that not more worrisome to you? 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.680 But that's because they're all rapists, so they're like nervous. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.800 But I don't know, so it might be something I 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.240 skip in terms of being super invested in. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.640 Oh yeah, I mean, and no one will talk about 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.600 it in two days. I just feel like this woman's 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.800 life is probably like gonna be you know, who knows. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.560 Maybe she'll sell a book and that'll be the money 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.920 she has to pay Johnny Depp, who knows. But on 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.760 Hysterio today, after we talked about this fucking train wreck 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.680 for a while, we also did our sanity. They do 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.280 a thing called Sanity Corner, and I talked about All 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.160 Stars seven, which is bringing me a lot of joy 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.319 right now. You just got back and you were able 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.760 to because Lisa has not. Lisa has not quite negotiated 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.920 the world of a VPN, so when she's abroad, she 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.240 doesn't have the access to all of her Famously, she 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.240 thought of VPN was a stick, so you know, like 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.560 we definitely have to give her a little So she 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.440 hasn't been able to tune into what I am finding 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.880 to be a delightful fucking season of television. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.319 Oh yeah, I mean I'm only in the first episode, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.080 but obviously already cried when Shaikule and Naomi Campbell had 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.560 the moment. Naomi Campbell's eyes turned wet and I was 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.640 like a puddle. And then Jada's crying is she good 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.760 enough or not? And that's actually where I pause to 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.280 get onto our lovely little zoom recording. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.440 It's just everybody is excellent. It's like, you know, we 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.840 watch these seasons and there's like three or four fillers 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.720 at the beginning, and you're like, Okay, let's get to 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.199 when we get to the compety, like you're not really 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.120 gonna be that competitive, and like everybody's good. Everybody has 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.800 their own strengths. No one goes home, so there's not 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.560 really a lot of like caddy bitchiness. They all love 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.560 each other, They're all awesome, like fucking Raja rules Like 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:08.640 I don't know, I don't even know. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.560 Raja's always been to my number one fashion queen, and 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.120 I'm just glad she finally gets the chance to. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.559 Like, I just think she's so slady beautiful, even in confessional, 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.360 I'm like, you're gorgeous, like and the like I want. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.360 This isn't a spoiler, but last night on the episode, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.720 there was just a voiceover where Raja's coming down the 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.800 runway and it's her own voiceover going, fuck, I look good. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.000 I was like, yeah, you're right, Like my husband, I 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.360 just started like cracking up. It was so funny. But yeah, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.400 everybody's great. I love Jinks. I don't know. I don't 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.000 know who I'm going for. I think I'm going for 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.079 either Raja or Jinks. And I think that's just because 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.160 they haven't they're they're farther back for me, like they're 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:47.760 more classic. But like, I don't know. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.640 I think everyone thinks Shinx is gonna win, so we'll see, 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.160 but I do want it would be fun if either 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.000 Trinity or Monette took it just to yeah, settle the score. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.640 Shay are like also amazing competitors, Like they're really well 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.240 Shaye to me. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.120 I mean, I'm only one in but like her confessionals 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.480 are so funny and so like snappy into the point 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.439 and clever, and I'm like, I cannot believe we get 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.520 to talk to her, Like, I know, it is really 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.080 shocking that Shay has taken a love for us, because 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:16.320 I don't know if we're worthy of it. 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:17.280 I'm not sure. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.720 No, But what I watched in the UK, they're drag 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:25.080 races on Netflix. I just rewatched five, six, seven and eight, 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.160 like you know, while I was in bed. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh so. 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.280 One of my favorite things in life are people doing 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.640 impressions of me, and like especially non Americans because the 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:39.000 accents are so good. But my friend Emma did the 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.439 best impression of me. She's like, your stories are always 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.480 one eye open, it's just you going, I don't know 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:44.480 if I'm gonna make my fly. 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:51.040 We'll see I made my fly. Yeah, like your bed 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.040 ones were you know, there's a little bit of eyeliner 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.160 on there and one eyes open. They're so funny. And 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.240 then one of the nights in Finland. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.640 I shared a room with a DT, an Indian comic 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.480 who's incredible, and but I sleep with a laptop. And 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.920 then she the next morning got up and she's like, 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.240 you need help. She's like, you're fucking sick. BoJack Horseman 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.160 the saddest episodes. I go, what are you talking about? 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.160 She goes, when Sarah Lynne dies, that's what you're sleeping to, 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.280 just the most tragic episodes of television. I'm like, I 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:21.840 don't know, and she goes, you know, I woke up 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:23.040 in the middle of the night and she's like, I 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.920 slowly closed your laptop so quietly, and she said that 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:28.880 I woke up, Like what's going on? 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.520 Like I fully woke up that I needed the laptop. 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.040 And she's like, laptop is your noise machine? Like for 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.800 my children, yes, Like they need a white noise machine, 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.240 and that's your white noise machine. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.200 So those are like the twos. Oh I had caviar pasta. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.800 Now I'm like, have you eaten anything good? But when 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:46.320 I'm back in. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.360 La, well, well we're going to San Diego. Fuck. I 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.920 fucking I want bells bagels so bad. I guess I'm 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.280 a saying I'll tell you the soft mic. It's kind 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.440 of boring. What'd you have? No, tell me no. I 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.600 just tried this new place that's in our neighborhood that's 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.920 been saying it was going to open for like two years. 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:03.600 I think you know what I'm talking about. I don't 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.880 want drug front or not. Well it's not a drug front, 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.840 but they need to work out some kinks. I'm gonna 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.280 go back in a few months when the kinks are 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.920 worked out. What's the kink they've been It's a place 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.080 that serves slices. They give you a buzzer. I'm like, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.920 I shouldn't have to wait for a butt, Like heat 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.600 it up and give it to me, like Saborro has 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.280 mastered this, Like give me the piece. And then I 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.200 got a pizza bagel that was just like eh, But 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.360 like I am going to try it again in a 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.080 few months. I just feel like it's cute and like 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:29.920 they have a great salad. I know that's like not 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.560 really a selling point for like a full pizza place, 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.120 but like, yeah, we can cut this. This is like 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:35.960 a review of a local of a local. I don't 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.400 think it's that bad. I don't think it's boring. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.920 I think people need to know about bagels and slices 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.680 that were into and not into. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:44.360 I had. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.040 I had for the first time reindeer reindeer tongue. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.880 Oh my mo. I definitely haven't had anything remotely cool. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:52.360 But like, that's amazing. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.560 A lot of white fish. I mean I went fishing. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.600 I fully, like helped a fisherman like nets in the 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.720 lake on his little boat, and I was like pulling 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.920 fish and he was bopping them on the head like unconscious, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:05.880 and like some of them were still flopping in this 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:07.800 bucket and in the water, and like I thought I'd 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.160 have feelings for them, like I am a compassionate person 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.880 that does like animals. I felt nothing for these fish. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.040 They were flopping for air. It's not a p you're 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.920 not interested. I bled a fish out, he held it, 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.240 and I stabbed it in its neck as blood poured out, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:23.240 and I felt nothing. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.560 You went full yellow jackets over in Finland. Huh. 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.040 I did well because it's like I either Paris Hilton 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.760 and go I don't know, or I fucking act respectful 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.760 and do the job with these fishermen where it's like 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.520 this is this guy's had this fishing company since nineteen 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.080 eighty seven, you know, what I mean. Like, so to me, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.680 I was like, I'm just gonna do what they do. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.760 I'm not gonna like be offensive. But then I also 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.120 had to question, like what's wrong with I felt that 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.120 they were looking at me different. 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.440 I mean, I'm a pescytarian. I don't know. Fish don't 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.880 make any noise. It's not like they're like no like 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.040 as you you know, like you no just swarming around. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:16:59.760 But it felt great. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.680 It was just like grabbing these fish with my bare 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.840 hands as they flipped and flopped in my hand. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.200 I mean it was like it was I challenge. Cannot 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.399 wait to like fucking crash in a plane with you, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.280 and you keep us alive by catching fish with your 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.680 bare hands. It's gonna be amazing. Yeah. I'm gonna get 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.960 a knife soon. Yeah fuck yeah, just don't forget to 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.840 put it in your check luggage. My fucking crazy dad 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.680 always goes through security with a knife on his belt 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:24.840 and forgets. Oh my god. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.000 There was a little dog training at the airport today 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.920 learning how to be a drug dog. But it kept 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.119 harassing people that like might have just had lunch, you know, 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.560 cause it was a job that was training. And I 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:36.640 was like, you're like panicking a lot of people right now, 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.200 can you take your puppy away? Like this old couple 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:40.200 was having a heart attack. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:41.240 Oh my god. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.879 Watch the old couple just had so much coke strapped 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.360 to the inside of their shirts. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.480 No, but one of the other comedians I was with 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.200 the park Rangers gifted her an axe. But she's also 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.280 like from South Africa, not a citizen like all of 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.760 these things, and with an axe, and she did get 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.200 held in customs for a while. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:58.960 Oh my god because of the axe. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.040 I didn't ask cause I didn't want to message her 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:02.520 just in case they were going to use her phone, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:03.520 like I didn't know how deep. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:04.000 It was going to go. 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.399 I was like yeah, I was like, we can't message 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:07.560 her about the acts. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:14.199 You thought so many steps ahead. I love it. Okay, 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.159 a massive intro because we haven't caught up in a 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.679 long time, because you haven't seen so we're going to 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:21.240 be in New York. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.560 So next week's intro is going to be even more 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.520 exciting because it's going to be stories about us being RecA. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.360 Yes and going to see our friend Allison Levey show, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.760 which we have plugged a million times, which I believe. Well, 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.520 actually it was extended so I believe it's playing the 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.520 whole second half of June. If you're in New York 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.080 and you haven't gotten tickets to Oh God, an Hour 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.240 about Abortion at the Cherry Lane, please go get them. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:44.840 You guys don't want to miss it. We're seeing it 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.760 this week and we're so excited. A couple more little 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.439 pluggy plugs. I am going to be a guest on 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.480 another Exactly Right podcast called parent Footprint, which is a 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.560 podcast about parenting. If you're interested. The host is doctor 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.119 Dan and he is is really charming and lovely to 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.040 listen to. And we just talked about parenting and stuff 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:06.640 and we had a great time. And that comes out 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.360 on June sixteenth, if you're interested on the Exactly Right Network. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:12.520 And then, guys, you know, I'm gonna tell you we 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:18.040 are coming to Minnesota. Minneapolis this weekend, the nineteenth of June. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.679 It's Father's Day, but it's in the afternoon. Take a 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.720 break from your dad or your husband, or whoever is 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.040 the father figure in your life and come see us 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.280 at the I don't know, it's the Minneapolis Comedy Festival 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:28.880 all It's. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.920 A venue a little too big for us. It's gonna 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:31.359 be a problem. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.919 We really need you guys, We really need Minneapolis to 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.080 like turn out because you know, they booked us in 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.080 something that I think was a little ambitious. Where they 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:40.320 did it book us in a place that was the 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.080 ambitious was Chicago. And we are almost sold out. We 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.280 are very likely going to be sold out on the 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.639 twentieth by the time this episode comes out, but I 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.520 believe there's still a few tickets left for the twenty 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.760 first that's a Tuesday of June twenty first of June. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.280 Come see us at Zanies Downtown. And yeah, our bio 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.720 has all on Instagram, has all of or that's messed up. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.000 Live dot com actually is where you can find all 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:05.080 of our tickets in my hometown. Bitch. Also, this is 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:06.760 old news, but new news. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:11.159 But we did get reports from a costume department person 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.800 from Law and Order SVU or no she works she 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:14.560 made it was. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.520 A friend of hers who worked there. Like, so the listeners, 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.119 why don't ask your friend? Well, a listener asked their 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.119 friend who works in the costume department, Like, is there 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.240 anything to this whole purple thing? I listened to this 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.800 podcast where they're obsessed with the fact that everyone's always 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.119 wearing purple, and we know it's the color of domestic violence, 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.919 and there's all these other theories everyone has. And the 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.399 woman that wrote back from a costume department was like, 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.880 literally no, like there's nothing to that. Like a lot 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.960 of times, because it's so dark where they shoot, certain 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.000 colors like teal or red will show up as purple, 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.119 but it's not a conscious thing that they're doing, and 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.280 it's not about domestic violence. I guess that's just a 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.359 coincidence and we're all colorblind. I don't really know, but 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:58.520 that's that on that I don't know the costume Tea Hunty, Yes, Hunty. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.680 Did you see the video of Gigi Hadid and Emma 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.359 Chamberlain on the red carpet of the met gala talking 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.560 like two gay men from like two years ago? 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.119 No, it's like pretty funny. 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.000 It's she's just like, oh my god, I saw you 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.880 and you slay. She goes, is slay major, sligh, You're 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.280 a major. So I did see this. I did see this. 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:18.920 I don't think I knew it was Emmer Chamberlin, but 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.480 I saw I saw the Gigi doing that. 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.600 That way, we have oh my god, Cravis the wedding, 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.359 I mean we have to go. I don't know what 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.119 to do, but do you have any thoughts on the 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:28.919 Cravis wedding. 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.119 I don't know what it is, but I'm happy for 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.159 those two when I see their posts. I'm like the 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.720 Kardashians in general, I'm like enough, but like those two. 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.199 And Corney's always been the most boring one to me. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.000 And she looks like she seems like she's dead to 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:45.800 me all the time, like her eyes are dead, her 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.199 voice is dead, and she seems a little bit more 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.680 alive with Travis, and so I like that. I want 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.800 them to live and be alive together. 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:58.639 I watched his architectural digest on YouTube, and I always 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.800 love when celebrities think things that are very regular only 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:03.000 special to them. 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.080 So he was like, yeah, we're just so. 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.920 In love and we really go all out on Christmas 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.760 and our birthdays. And I was like, yeah, that's like 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.120 a very normal thing to do to just like get 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.040 your partner a nice gift on holiday and. 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.880 Tell me you're going all out on Flag Day, bitch, 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:19.160 I want to do something different. 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.720 So then he goes, yeah, she was holding this candle 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:23.520 and was like, you gave this to me three years ago. 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.359 And he's like we're just so connected, and I'm like, 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.560 you're just so cut off from the regular world, like 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.879 you're truly a regular couple. But it seems sweet and 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.760 they like their kids, all like each other. I just 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.320 wish the best for them. Yeah, yeah, but I don't 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.359 care about that card oct Oh. I do have fucking gossip, 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:39.760 but I don't know. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:41.919 If it's mine, it's hell. And he seems like a 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.240 good guy because I saw him doing a makeup tutorial 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.000 with like his teen child and I thought that was 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.239 really sweet, Like she was doing a tattoo cover up 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:50.639 on him and he was like her model, and I 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.879 thought that was really cute. So I think he seems 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.600 like a good guy. Anyway, let's start this. We could 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.399 talk about God, we have to start. We have to 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.400 be like we have to literally be like Race Chaser, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.880 where we start a separate podcast called hot Goss where 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:03.679 we just talk about other shit that doesn't have to 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:04.840 do with drag, right, you know what I mean? Like 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:06.720 they do a podcast, Why would you like talk about 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.840 their own shit? Yeah? Kay, I have to do. Yeah. 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:11.000 From Sex and the City, just like that. Chay is 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:13.240 on the cover of a magazine Saw I see that. 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:17.040 Saw all the fashion. Chay is back in the fucking site. Guys, babies, 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.120 all right, let's start this episode. We've got a good 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:26.359 one for you, guys. Don't move a muscle, Okay, So 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:31.919 we are covering today Stolen Season three, episode three. Exciting. 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:35.440 This is a wow, very close to nine to eleven episode. 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.680 I just realized the air date is ten twelve, two 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.119 thousand and one. And okay. The episode opens in a 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:44.600 grocery store and this new mom is like carding her 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:46.840 baby along with her, and she asks the stock boy 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.919 like where's the baby formula? And then she leaves the 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:51.760 cart with the baby in it at the top of 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.080 the aisle. And I don't really have a problem with that. 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:56.240 It's just there's no reason for it. Like she walks 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.679 over to a place where there's so much space to 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.680 park a grocery cart and starts loading up formula into 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:03.159 her arms, and it's like, it's not like it was 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.000 a weird corner where you couldn't fit the stroller. So 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.760 she leaves it at the top of the aisle. And 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:10.720 I get it that this is a cold open of 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:12.840 a television show and we have a tragedy to get to. 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:14.639 But it just seemed weird to me. And then she 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.639 gets all this formula and she starts walking back to 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.679 the cart and done, done, the baby is gone. She's like, Emma, 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:23.159 she starts, she drops all the formula, starts screaming, my baby. 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.960 Someone stole my baby, and then we cut to Benson 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.360 and Stabler on the scene getting the run down from 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.280 a uniform cop. The baby is six weeks old. It's 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:36.200 very young. Emma dera check. And Stabler's immediately blaming the mom, 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.000 and I know I kind of did as well, but 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.520 he was like, you know, one second solid takes, but 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.080 mine was just like, logistically, I really don't have a 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.119 problem with leaving a baby for two seconds, but I 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.359 guess someone could take them, and that's what this episode 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:54.600 is proving. And Stabler's like, oh no, sorry. I wrote 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:56.600 a note where I was like, okay, Stabler, you never 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.600 answered a call from Live while you were watching Dicky 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.240 at a supermarket like ease up. And then they're searching 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:05.119 the whole store and the mom has checked all the 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:06.639 other babies that were in the store and none of 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.720 them are her baby. And then a uniform shows up 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:10.800 and is like the Motor Vehicle office down the Street 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:12.800 just found something in the ladies room, and it's like, 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:14.960 this is the second episode we've done recently where SVU 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.320 likes to act like the DMV is helpful, Like I 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.360 just cannot believe that the DMV is like, hey, we've 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.320 we found some clothes in your case, like right as 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:24.639 it's unfolding, but you know, we love a good fiction. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.360 So in the bathroom of the Motor Vehicle office, they 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.600 find baby's clothes and I drop her and some capsules 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.639 which and Live identifies the drug as librium and she 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:37.920 thinks that they just like watered it down and gave 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.200 it to the baby to be quiet. And they also 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.400 find a baby's pink bow with a lock of hair 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:45.720 cut off, and it's like, you can just remove the bow, 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.040 like most babies have pretty short hair and it's not 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.000 going to really give away the gender or the sex. 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:55.280 Excuse me, like it's weird. So anyway, yeah, like you 0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:57.160 could just take the bow out. I get the bow 0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:00.560 as an identifying thing. They're like, so there's the creepy 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:02.760 like little lock of baby hair that's being sort of 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.600 passed around and you know it's that's the credits, and 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.359 we're like, where's this fucking baby. This is stressful. So 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.160 back at the store, the mom Michelle is like, how 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.159 could this happen? And I looked her up because she 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.359 looked so familiar to me. And her name is Carrie 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:22.760 Green and she was in Goonies, she was in Summer Rental, 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.560 and she was in the movie Lucas, which are were 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.400 like big movies that came out for me, like around 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.919 the same time. Like I remember watching Lucas all the time. 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.280 It was with one of the Cory's I think is 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.800 in Lucas. I think Corey Haim is in Lucas. And 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.359 she just had a few years of being a teen 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.000 queen in movies and now she just like doesn't act anymore. 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.400 But she that this SV I think was her last 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.879 thing that she did. But I just thought that was 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:50.600 interesting that I thought I recognized her, and it's from 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.919 her being a literal eighteen year old. And so they're like, 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.920 is anyone do you have you noticed anyone watching you? 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.600 Have you noticed anyone paying attention to the baby? Weirdly? 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.760 And she's like, stop girling me, and she's blaming herself 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.919 and she's really freaking out. And then her husband Tony 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:06.640 gets there. 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.520 So I really hate when the people are like, stop 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:11.720 asking me questions and go get my baby. It's like 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.000 they have to ask you some questions. 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:14.000 Like they have to. 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.119 It's such a trope of like why are you wasting 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:21.560 your time talking to me? And it's like the one witness, Yeah, 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.360 the one person who was there, we gotta ask. 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:28.520 You questions completely. Her husband Tony gets there and her husband. 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.520 This is actually a jam packed episode of SV I 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:32.640 mean at Sex and the City. 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:34.399 It's like one of the only guys I didn't click on, 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:35.000 so tell me. 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.919 He is the guy that tells Samantha she needs to 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:43.000 trim her bush and she gets offended and then she's like, honestly, 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.720 it's like a jungle down there. And then she like 0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:49.000 shaves his bush and he goes, wow, my dick looks huge. 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.080 And so I think they fought in the cab, like 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:56.280 for a cab. But yeah, one of Samantha's conquests. 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.879 Got this guy. I there's another Sex in the City 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:00.960 down the line that I'm gonna note too. That's why 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:04.560 I said it was Jampack. Okay, yeah yeah yeah. So 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.960 he's like, well, good thing you're here. Stabler's like, we 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:11.600 need your help. Calming your wife down, and the guy's like, yeah, 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.520 story of my life. She's apparently been having a tough 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.520 time because being a mom is hard, but these guys 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:19.680 are like, I wish you would just chill out. And 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.840 the husband reveals that this is the first time Michelle 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:24.760 has been out of the house with Emma, so yeah, 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:27.840 six weeks she's been stuck in the house with a newborn, 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.919 and Stabler is trying to tell the husband that his 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:34.760 wife is probably going through some postpartum depression and he's like, yeah, whatever, 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:36.680 if I thought she'd hurt the baby, i'd take her away. 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.680 But that's like, also very much not the point. And 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.520 I think this is another way where sv is ahead 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.280 of its time, Like this is two thousand and one, 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:45.640 We're talking about postpartum depression on a network show. I 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:47.200 don't really think that they were doing that a lot 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:51.200 at that point, So bravo to SVU. And in the 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:54.520 next scene, they're downloading Craigan and it seems like they're 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:56.959 talking about Michelle, like how Michelle could be the one 0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.560 who got rid of her baby in a postpartum depression 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:03.200 fuel break of some sort, and Craigan's like, would she 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.120 have been rational enough to plant the clothes, and Stabler's like, 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:07.880 I can't rule it out, and it's like, actually, yes, 0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.440 you can rule it out. The stock boy saw her 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.680 with the baby right there, and then was there two 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.600 seconds later when she was screaming. That's hardly a window 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:17.960 of time to plant baby clothes at a DMV office 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.080 down the street. So I really think you can rule 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.800 that shit out right now, But I digress. Craigan thinks 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:25.920 it could just have also been someone desperate for a 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.400 baby who just grabbed the baby, and he tells Stabler 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:29.920 go back to the mom and figure it out. And 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:33.040 then Stabler tries to you know, commiserate parent to parent 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.760 with Michelle about how hard it is, and Michelle agrees. 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:37.880 She's like it is hard, but she's like, I'm so 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:39.920 blessed to have Emma and I love her so much. 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.040 Like there's absolutely no confession, no breakdown happening here for Michelle. 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.040 Now they've got some kind of mobile unit that's happening 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.000 that they brought to be right outside the grocery store, 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.720 and they're sending out all these apbs for Emma all 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.720 over the place, and Munch is like, all we found 0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.880 was a woman with a suitcase in her shopping cart, 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.120 and they're like, go check the and it's like, why 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:03.480 was this not the very first move before we accuse 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.800 the sad mom? Why did we not go straight to 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.560 the grocery store security tapes. But anyway, Finn's with the 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.040 security guard and he goes, someone's watching this all day 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.080 and the guy goes, this is not a Vegas casino, 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.800 and I thought that was funny. Like, no, nobody's like 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:20.120 watching the grocery store security cameras like a hawk to 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:24.400 see if anyone's stealing cucumbers. So they see a woman 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.360 swoop by Michelle's cart grab the baby on tape, but 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:30.800 they can't see her face. It's like from behind, and 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.480 that obviously clears Michelle. And then they get another camera 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.440 angle on the exit and they see this lady wheeling 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.000 a suitcase out of the store. So it's like, yeah, 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.320 the baby is in there. I guess. I don't know 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.000 how she went to the DMV office to drug the baby. 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.400 I don't know. It's a little bit confusing of an episode. 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:49.920 It's only season three. I don't know if they've got 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.120 the well oiled machine happening yet. But and now we're 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.760 back in the SVU mobile home, and Craigan's like, all right, 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:57.640 let's rule out the mom for the moment, and it's 0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.400 like maybe forever. And then they found the show where 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:02.400 this lady bought the suitcase and she paid with a 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.880 credit card under the name Susan Young and she works 0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.720 at social services. So now we've tracked down Susan Young 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:10.240 in a park and she's like, yeah, my purse was 0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.800 stolen this morning and from the substance of youth center 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.200 where I work, and they show her a pic of 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:18.240 the person walking out of the store with a suitcase, 0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:21.120 and she's like, uh, Alicia, And she's like, Alicia's one 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.280 of my clients. She's a crack addict and she was 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.800 doing really well. She'd stopped using since she got pregnant. 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.120 She had the baby last week and it was stillborn. 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.920 And so they're like, do you know where she lives? 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.400 And she's like, of course, I do this as SVU. 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:34.440 I have her address memorized. And so now we're at 0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:38.600 Alisha's apartment, which looks kind of nice, and so they think, Wow, 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:40.600 she's got a job, or she's got a sugar daddy, 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.040 you know, And then Stabler's like she's back on the pipe. 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.920 After he finds you know, her like little box of 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:51.080 drug paraphernalia, and then Live finds a stack of hundreds 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.120 in the closet, so it's like thousands and thousands of dollars. 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.040 And Alisha comes home, sees the cops and makes a 0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:59.960 run for it, so they run down the stairs after her. 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:01.920 They grab her. They demand to know where the baby is. 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.840 She says she gave Emma away. She had to. She 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.760 promised them a baby and her baby died and they're like, 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:09.680 who did you promise the baby to, and she's like 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.720 a lawyer, Mark Sandford, I gave the baby to him 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:17.520 in Chelsea. So now the detectives bust into this brownstone 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:21.200 in Chelsea where they hear a baby crying. They go upstairs. 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:22.840 A woman comes to the door and she's on the 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.760 phone with someone saying the police are here. But then 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:28.760 she tells them, oh, I was on the phone with 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:30.880 the police, and Olivia's like, really, let me check your 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:32.960 phone and she did not dial nine one one last, 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.160 So the woman is lying she was calling someone else 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.680 and she's like, I just take care of the babies. 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.200 And then they find this nursery filled with cribs. And 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.120 by the way, this brownstone has nothing in it. It's 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.560 like very sparse, empty brownstone except for like a room 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.800 full of cribs and a woman taking care of them. 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.400 So that definitely like she doesn't even get to sit 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:52.840 down at work. Yeah there's not one extra chair. 0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:55.400 Yeah, I don't even know if there's like a microwave 0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:57.160 to her to make a little ramen. Like this place 0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:01.479 is very empty, and she's like, all these babies were 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.320 given up for adoption. This is just kind of like 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.680 a way station and before they head off to their 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.840 new place, and this is all on the up and up, 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.520 and Elliott goes around looking at all the babies and 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.280 then he IDs Emma from a photo and they arrest 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:19.200 the caretaker woman for kidnapping. So now at the hospital, 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.719 Elliott and Olivia are downloading Daddy Craigan and they're like 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.200 two girls, one boy is what we found. They're in 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.800 excellent health while taken care of. The brownstone was rented 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:34.040 to Adoptions Incorporated, very creative, and Mark Sanford signed the lease. 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.239 Someone named Mark Sanford, so they don't know who. So 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.520 like for somebody who is maybe doing something illegal, this 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.040 man's not really covering up very much like everything's under 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:44.520 his name. Everyone knows his name. It's just Mark Sandford, 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:46.920 and they don't really know who these other two but 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.959 babies belong to, but they're going to find out. So 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.440 Michelle and Tony get Emma back, and it's a very 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.120 rare happy ending for anyone on Law and Order SVU 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.240 and Tony, you know, side talks to Stabler and goes 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.960 Michelle's going to see a doctor. Oh wow, postpartum depression 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:06.480 advocate Elliott Stabler everyone, he's done it. And now Munch 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.480 and Finn are interrogating the caretaker and she's like, I'm 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.960 an RN. I was hired to look after the babies. 0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:14.080 And they're like, you didn't think this empty brownstone was 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.480 kind of weird and she's like, they're just chilling there 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.000 before their adopted parents get them. This is all fine. 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:23.480 Dog Mister Sandford is a saint, she says. And they're like, okay, 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:25.600 that's very cute. Now give him up or you're an accessory, 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.520 and she's like, okay, his office is in Quegardens. So 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.239 she's very loyal for about two seconds and then she 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.920 gives him right up, as she should well. Also, she 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.359 thinks that nothing is wrong. Why not give him up, 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.919 you know what I mean, like, exactly, bring him in here, 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.680 clear everything up. This is all normal. Yeah, So they 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:46.040 catch him, this guy Sandford, leaving his house with his 0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:49.239 briefcase and like a filebox put that he's putting into 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.920 his car, and he immediately is a lawyer, so he's like, 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.160 I'm not talking to anyone without my lawyer. So they 0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:58.080 arrest him for kidnapping. And this actor is named Bruce Altman. 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.560 He has a one hundred and eleven credits. I've seen him. 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.160 He was a very big character on Mister Robot, and 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.440 he's also been in Orange as the New Black, and 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.640 this is his only SVU, but he's been on seven 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:12.560 episodes of Original Recipe as well. So I just thought 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:13.839 that felt like he was one of these you see 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:17.200 him everywhere kind of guys. So he's now talking in 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.759 interrogation with his lawyer and he's like, I've never put 0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:22.400 an abducted child up for adoption. And his lawyer is 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:26.520 our old pal Josh Peis aka Hank Abraham, but in 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.440 this episode he's Robert Sorenson, so he plays He does 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:32.120 three episodes as Sorensen and then he does seven episodes 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.200 of sv You later as Hank Abraham, and I think 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:35.680 he looks better with gray hair. 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.080 Oh yeah, you like a better gray daddie like him 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.440 as a brunette here was very off putting to me. 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.920 Yeah, yeah, he looked weird and young, and yeah, so 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:47.320 many men just age. They look better at the age. 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.840 And so he's like, listen, Alicia gave a baby to 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.239 me two years ago. She hit me up again when 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.680 she was pregnant again. I had no reason to believe 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:57.840 that the baby wasn't hers, Like, I've had one successful 0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:01.160 adoption with her. And they're like, oh yeah, and then 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.520 you also like load her up with cash that she'll 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.200 give you her babies or whatever. And he's like, that's 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.000 for expenses and medical fees. And they're like, he gets 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.040 a very nominal fee from the parents, a very modest fee, 0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.319 and it's like twenty thousand dollars per couple. So this 0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:18.080 man is getting paid. And then Cabot's watching this all 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.680 go down across the one way glass as usual, and 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.800 she's like, I don't know, guys, kidnapping is a stretch. 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.160 We can't prove he knew what Alicia did. And if 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:28.239 you prove he sold Emma. It's grand larceny. And Craigin's like, 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:30.520 this is a person, not a lexus. What are you 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.400 talking about? And Cabot's like, look, we can hold him 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.279 for six days on the kidnapping, can you make a 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.359 case in that time? So off we go to try 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.280 to make that happen. Finn and Munch are to quote 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:45.160 Craig and surfing the web and they're on Sanford's website 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.040 that looks like a Craigslist for adoption. It's like, here's 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.080 a little blue eyed girl that just wants to make 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.720 you her mommy or whatever. It's weird, and Finn asks 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.880 Munch if he's ever considered adoption, and Munch goes, the 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:58.719 kindest thing I could ever do for a kid is 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.960 not adopt. So I love that Munch is proudly child free. 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:06.920 Love that for him. Finn is running down Sanford's history, 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.359 and Munch has a ledger of Sanford's and reads out 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.120 all these babies' birthdays and I don't know why, he's 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.840 just like reading birthdays out loud, and one is a 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:19.000 baby boy born January second, nineteen eighty nine, and that 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.960 piques Craigan's interest and Craigan's like, how do I find 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.720 out this baby's name? They figure out the corresponding page 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.719 and he's like Steven Talmadge, and Craigan looks like he 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.040 just struck gold, and Munch and Finn are just like, 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.040 nothing's registering for us here. Craig's like, we don't know 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.520 what you're talking about. So Craigan takes off, and of 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.560 course this is an old case of Kragan's where he 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:42.400 remembers the missing baby's birthday exactly, and he's at a diner. 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:44.520 It's a diner in the title card. It looks like 0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.120 much more of like a dark sort of restaurant bar, 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:50.640 but they're calling it a diner, and he's giving Munch 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.000 and therefore us the viewers the rundown. He's talking about 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.400 how in eighty nine, a woman named Jennifer Talmadge was 0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.719 found murdered in her apartment. Her four week old son, 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.680 Stephen was taken from there and never found. Both the 0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:03.720 case of the mom and the child are still open, 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:08.040 and his old buddy, Max Greevy was the cop on 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:10.799 the case and he worked it really hard until he 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:12.920 was murdered on the job in ninety one. And so 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:15.239 now Munch is like, wow, this case has been kicking 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:17.880 your ass for twelve years. And Craigan's like, I just 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.200 know Stephen is still alive and this is a huge 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:24.280 lead after twelve years. And he's like, yeah, Jennifer Talmage's 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.359 parents call used to call me once a year on 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.759 Steven's birthday for updates, but the call stopped three years ago. 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.719 So he's like, Munch, I really need your help with 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.200 the case. And Munch is like, oh yeah, yeah, all right. 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:38.440 So Craigan shows up at a front door and when 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.000 it opens, the woman goes, oh, my lord. She is 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.440 so happy to see Captain Craigan. And this is an 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:47.200 actress named Celia Weston, who you've seen in everything, I 0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:49.520 think most recently she was on the Thing about Pam 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:54.040 on NBC with Rene Zawegger. And their house is really 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.880 big and old and like handcrafted. Look it's like a 0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:58.759 cool sort of like it looks like it would be 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:02.520 in like Vermont, like Massachusetts or something, but it's probably 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.560 in up Hudson River Valley, New York or something. And 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.239 so they bring Craigan upstairs to show him Steven's room 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.040 and they're like, we celebrate all his birthdays. We buy 0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:14.080 him presents every Christmas. And the room is like a 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.799 full toy store store, like they've never lost hope. They've 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.839 got this whole room with like bikes and all kinds 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.800 of great shit for Steven, like should he ever reappear? 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.200 So now in this holding cell, Craigan and Cabot are 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.840 talking to Stanford and his lawyer again, and Craigan is 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.360 very antsy. He's like, you killed Jennifer and you sold Steven, 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:34.839 and Cabot is like, let me offer you a deal 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:36.799 if you cooperate, and Craigan's like, the deal's good for 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:40.799 ten seconds, and the lawyer's like you're bluffing, and Craigan's like, nah, 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:42.360 I'm gonna nail your ass to the wall. And then 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:44.560 he bounces out of there, and Stanford and the lawyer 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.719 look kind of concerned, but it's like they barely gave 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.640 them a second to consider a deal. And then Cabot 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.080 chases Craig Craigan out and is like what the fuck, dude, 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.640 Like I could have used that kidnapping charge as leverage 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:56.840 if you just hadn't gone all macho cop on me, 0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:00.640 Like what the hell, and Cabot's like you're too close 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.520 to this case. And he's like, damn right, So this 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:07.759 is a Craigan episode. This is a damn Floric heavy episode. 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:11.799 So Munch is working the case and he's looked at 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.400 the file and he's like most interviews just said Jennifer 0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.560 was a great person. No leads. There was only one 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.120 set of prints at the scene and there are no 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:23.239 matches in you know, Cotis or whatever does fingerprints. And 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:27.280 Craigan checks in with Elliott and Olivia on the other babies. 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.879 They're all set to join their new homes. Sandford did 0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.600 everything by the book. The parents consented to the adoption, 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.480 all the paperwork is good, like he's everything's on the 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.040 up and up. They do find out that Sandford is 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.480 triple dipping. He basically tells three families he's got a 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:43.440 baby for them, and then he tells two of the 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.800 families the mom changed her mind and keeps the money. 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:48.439 And that's thirty thousand dollars per couple. So he's making 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.200 ninety k per baby. And this is in two thousand 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:53.960 and one, and it is fucked up, Like, I do 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.040 have a friend going through the adoption process right now, 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.000 and it is really crazy because you pour a ton 0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:00.560 of money into it, and then you have like literally 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:04.799 no insurance like it can just so, yeah, he's shady. 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.440 He's not putting up. I don't think he's kidnapping babies 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.240 or killing people per se, but he is shady for sure, 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:13.799 And it just sucks that there's already no insurance for 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.040 parents that are trying to adopt in the adoption world, 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:20.880 and then to have lawyers be greedy and dishonest, is 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.400 it's like an extra hurdle to becoming a parent for 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:27.799 these people. It just sucks. So they find out that 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.160 none of these parents snitch on him because they don't 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.600 want to get blackballed by other baby brokers, and it's 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.520 just really fucked how the whole adoption system is even working. 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:42.200 But Thinn finds Sandford's old phone records, and Craigan's like, 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.640 all right, everybody dig in, just like handing out thick 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:48.759 ass folders of phone numbers to everybody, and Munch is like, well, 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.960 there was something about Jennifer's roommate Rebecca in the file 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:55.200 where Greevy was supposed to file up with him but 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.520 then never did, and so Munch hends that heads out 0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:02.160 to Westchester County to talk to Rebecca, this roommate. This 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.640 seems insane that you would not talk to her college roommate. 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:08.960 And she said that Jennifer had one boyfriend, a guy 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:11.680 named Rob, and Rebecca knew he was trouble when he 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:13.400 walked in. I'm not allowed to sing that, but I 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.560 think you guys know what I'm saying. And she had 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:19.200 seen him walking around campus with another girl, so she 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.080 knew he was a two timer, but she was like, 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.640 jen was naive. He was her first. They went out 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:26.920 for two weeks before he broke up with her, and 0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:28.600 then they're like, did he give a reason? And she goes, 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:32.960 guys never do, okay, and then she says, did you 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.919 know she was pregnant. She's like yeah, she couldn't really 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.560 hide it, and she knew Rob was the father and 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.480 she tells them, yeah, his name was Rob Cook. So 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.360 this woman has all this fucking information and has just 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.200 been sitting there for twelve years just knowing who the 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:48.560 father of this murdered woman's baby is. And they definitely 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.200 would have found out who the father was in the 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.440 first investigation, Like they would have figured that out somehow, emails, 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.640 phone calls, like they would have figured out who impregnated her, 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.239 because he would have been a suspect. So it's really, well, 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:00.560 they only dated for time two weeks. 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:06.200 Yeah, so if she's pregnant nine months later, it's like, yeah, 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:08.320 they should have talked to the roommate, but it wasn't. 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.080 Like and the roommate is the only one that knows 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:12.160 about Rob. I don't know. It just doesn't seem like 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:15.160 two weeks. They only dated two weeks. I know, but 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.319 you're in college and you're like, you've got like a 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.000 but I don't know. I just feel like you wouldn't 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.120 only one, not one friend would know that. Like a 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:23.680 bunch of my friends would know. If I was dating 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.040 someone for two weeks, or even if I hooked up 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:26.799 with someone one night, a bunch of my friends would know. 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:32.200 Probably I don't know, but I just think that this 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:34.680 something about who the paternity of a father would have 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:36.920 come up in the investigation, and it's just kind of strange. 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:40.960 But Rebecca said, oh yeah. They're like, oh, did she 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:42.960 ever let the father know? And Rebecca goes, yes, she 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:46.680 sent him a letter. So now Munch and Cragan journey 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:49.400 back to the Burbs, where they find Rob Cook playing 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:53.560 catch with his sons on a grassy lawn. It's very Pleasantville. 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:59.000 And the actor is David Aaron Baker who's playing the father. 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:01.640 And he's been on Anther SPU called Infected. I don't 0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:03.920 recall that right away who he was or what that 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.400 episode is, but he's a law and order he's a 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:10.600 dick Wolf standby. He's been on Original Recipe, Criminal Incent, 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:14.200 Trial by Jury, and two svus. So this man is 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.000 in Dick Wolf's rolodex. And he was also in an 0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:20.120 episode of Sex and the City as Ted in an 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.440 episode called Secret Sex. And he's a sports doctor who 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.839 Miranda fucks, and he likes spanking videos. But you knew 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:29.560 that right, Yes, I do remember him. I just remember 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.200 her punching him by accident. I just remember that part. 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:35.319 I don't know if I remember the spanking videos. So 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.680 they want to see a birth certificate for his son 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.640 because his son is around the age that Steven Talmadge 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:44.600 would be. And Rob Cook says, my wife has it. 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:46.799 My ex wife. She's in Maya Pak and we were 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.880 recently divorced. And they tell him this is about Jennifer. 0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:54.120 Her son disappeared, and we think you're the father. So 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:59.200 now they are in interrogation with him, and he's like, yeah, 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:00.680 I read about Jennifer. We were in the paper. I 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.800 didn't think the child was mine. We only slept together 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:04.719 like one time. And it's like, I guess you don't 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:07.200 know how pregnancy works, and Munch does back me up 0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:09.879 on that, and he's like, yeah, it just takes one time. 0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:13.880 So again, completely to me, unbelievable that they would not 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:15.359 have talked to this man. But I guess you're right. 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:17.040 It has been nine months and they only dated for 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:20.680 a short amount of time. But he tells just to me, 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.919 they're saying that this man, Max Greeby, worked this case 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.080 for years like it was his own child, and so 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.120 I'm like, yeah, he should have talked to the roommate. 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:28.080 He's a dumb bitch. 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:32.440 But in terms of like lots of people know or 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.279 like who it was, it seems like she didn't have 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.600 friends and was naive, and yeah, that makes sense to me, 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:41.280 but yeah, yeah, yeah, the roommate. 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:43.360 Of it all does not make sense. But like, and 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.360 if I were the roommate, I would have gone to 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.000 the police and been like, did you guys ever talk 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:48.799 to Rob Cook, Like, did you talk to the father 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.480 of the baby, like if my friend from college got murdered. 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.000 But it also seemed like their friendship was weird because 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:55.680 they were like, were you guys close? And she's like, 0:45:55.800 --> 0:46:01.640 we were roommates. It was weird. So he's like, listen, 0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.800 Jennifer was a rebound girl for me, Like I was 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.279 on the ounce with my girlfriend Linda. I did not 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.279 kill Jennifer. I did not know she was pregnant. I 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.200 never got a letter. He's like, I broke up with 0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:14.480 Jennifer because Linda told me she was pregnant. And this 0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.600 guy has clearly never even glanced at a condom. And 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:19.920 he says, we got married as soon as the semester 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.799 was over. And that's Brandon, our son, and that kind 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.040 of explains why he has this baby that's similar age 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.480 to the missing boy. So now we're with Melinda, who 0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:32.400 is swabbing the son Brandon, while his mom, Linda is like, 0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:34.920 do we have to all do this? Like this is 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.600 you know, she's that woman who's very much like against 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:41.520 finding out who killed someone. And then she bickers with 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.480 Rob about why how he couldn't keep it in his 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.000 pants and Rob is like, we were kids, Like you 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.040 need to let go of this thing that happened twelve 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:51.279 years ago. And then Linda refuses the swab and wants 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.800 an attorney, and then they threaten her with a contempt charge, 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:57.640 so she just does it. So back at the precinct, well, 0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.839 she has like a killer line hold on. She goes, 0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:04.000 I do have contempt for this or something? Yeah, I 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:08.319 have plenty of contempt for this. Yeah I thought was fun. Yeah. 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:10.120 I looked her up and was like, oh, she seems 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:11.680 like a kind of like a good play is a 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.600 good bitch? Like who is she? And I don't think 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.719 she's really done much more acting. But back at the precinct, 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:19.960 the DNA has proven that Brandon is the son of 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:22.440 Linda and Rob and has nothing to do with Jennifer. 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:28.280 And then Finn finds something Steven Talmuch's adoption papers signed 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:32.160 by his mother, and then so that's a twist. We 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:34.840 did not know that Jennifer was even considering giving her 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.000 baby up for adoption, and now they're like, now it 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.239 looks like they're signed, and that's what was given to Sanford. 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.600 So Craigan's talking to Jennifer's parents and they're like, no way, 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:47.359 it's impossible Jennifer had considered adoption early on, but had 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:51.760 changed her mind when we offered her financial support emotional support, 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.359 said we would watch Stephen while she so she could 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.719 finish school, like kind of, you know, a perfect parental 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:01.920 reaction to a young pregnancy. So when they show the 0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:03.920 adoption papers to the parents, the parents were like, that 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.640 is not her signature. There's no way in how my 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.400 parents know what my signature looks like do you think 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:11.400 your parents know what your signature looks like, Lisa, No, yeah, 0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:13.640 they would never be able to be like that's not it. 0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:16.400 They would have to for sure bring out a passport, 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:18.840 which is what they do. They get Jennifer's passport to 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.279 prove that this is not her signature, not even close. 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:26.239 Back in a holding cell with Sanford, Craigan shows him 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.759 the forged signature and tells him like, you're fucked, Like 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:32.200 this is not a legal adoption, and he's like, I 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.120 did not forge this signature, and Cabot's like, yeah, you're 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.760 actually just a criminal who defrauds couples desperate for babies, 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:39.319 so a jury will buy that you did do this, 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:42.600 so you're definitely screwed. And he nods to his lawyer 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.920 like all right, let's make a deal, and Cabot's like, okay, 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.200 here's what's on the table. No jail time, and you 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:51.600 pay back all the couples you defrauded. And Craigan adds, 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.880 and you give me Stephen Talmadge. And he says, Okay, 0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:56.920 a woman came to me with a baby claiming to 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.440 be his mother. She had the original birth certificate. I 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:01.239 had no idea she was a fake. And then I 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:04.160 saw Jennifer's pick in the paper. But I couldn't risk 0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:05.880 go And they're like, but you couldn't risk going to 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:07.680 the police because you're a dirt bag and a criminal, 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:11.319 and he was like, yeah, pretty much. So like you 0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:13.520 could have left him at a firehouse or something, but 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:15.880 instead you like put him up for adoption when he 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:18.080 had family out there and you just wanted money. So 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:23.600 it's pretty fucked up. Cragan demands the adopted family's information. 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:26.200 So now again we're in the burbs. This is a 0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:29.799 very in and out of the city episode. Craigan rings 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:32.480 the doorbell and we're at the little sign on the 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:34.640 door says like, welcome to the Blake's. So we're at 0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:37.200 the Blake's house and inside there's like a bunch of 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:40.279 boys in baseball uniforms, because apparently that's what everyone's doing 0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:44.399 out there, is playing baseball, America's pastime. And the mom 0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:48.799 comes downstairs and is like, boys, Tyler, go outside with 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.600 your friends and welcomes the cops in because I guess 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:55.600 in this universe everyone loves the cops. And Craigan looks 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.040 at Tyler like they share a look when he leaves, 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:00.360 and so like, yeah, this is clearly Steven. And the 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.680 mom confirms that Tyler was adopted by Mark Sandford, and 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.840 after they tell her, she is really really upset. She's like, 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:08.520 what am I going to tell my husband? What am 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:10.840 I going to tell Tyler? And then we see that 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:13.520 Tyler's standing outside the kitchen and he's listening to this 0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:15.840 whole thing, and he looks like his entire world just 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:20.080 blew up, because it basically did. And she calls for 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:22.319 Tyler to come into the kitchen and he's like, I'm 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:25.200 not going, and they're like, you're not in any trouble, 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.560 and his parents are like, we'll go together. His mom says, 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:32.040 we'll go together. So it's just really sad because this 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.359 kid just seems like he's living a nice little life 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:37.160 and now these cops blow in to ruin everything, and 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:40.640 so now we've got Craigan and Rob Cook are looking 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:44.000 at Tyler through the one way glass and he's confirming 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:47.200 to Rob like, yes, Tyler is your biological son. And 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:50.520 Craigan's like, he's had a good life. They raised him 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:53.160 as their own child. And Rob's like, but I'm his father. 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:56.040 He belongs with me. I never would have abandoned him. 0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.080 And I just I sort of hate this guy. Even 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:00.759 though they try to act like all the sides are 0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:02.880 right on this one. I don't like this man. I 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:03.480 hate him too. 0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:05.400 And there is a good point later on the stand 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.799 where I'm like, Okay, good point, but like let him 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.560 live with his parents and then you can see him 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:13.320 when you want and you can hang out and be 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.120 a part of his life and grow a relationship. But 0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:19.680 just like, steal this kid from his life is insane. 0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:22.120 Yea his friends, his home is like I hate this 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:23.640 man too, especially like. 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.319 The age of twelve, like twelve to eighteen, Like those 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.960 years are so like itself to have no relationship. It's 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:30.840 so selfish. 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:33.200 It's like he's not thinking of the kid at all. 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:34.440 He's thinking of himself. 0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:37.040 No, because it's like I don't know. I'm judging that 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:38.879 they're all in New York suburbs. It's not like anyone 0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:41.760 lives across the country or anything. You could definitely arrange 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:44.880 some kind of visitation schedule where you like build a relationship, 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:46.480 like you're saying it's crazy, Yeah, go. 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:49.000 To medieval times, go to his games. Yeah, the boys 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:50.600 do play dates. Like you could be a part of 0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:52.719 his life. You don't have to snatch him as your own. 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:55.560 I hate him and just like and also the two 0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.359 v one aspect of moving in with two brothers is 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:04.359 so like fucked up too. So Craigan is explaining what's 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:08.160 going on to Tyler Slash Steven's adoptive parents, and they're like, 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:10.520 we didn't do anything wrong, like he's our son, we've 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.560 raised him. And Craigan says, yeah, but Tyler's father never 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.759 consented to the adoption, so it's nullified like that. It's 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:20.200 just that's it. And they're really really sad, and they're like, 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.200 you can't take him away from us. He's only ever 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:24.440 known our home and us as his family. How can 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:27.919 you do this to us? And like, honestly, Craigan, I'm 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.120 just mad that your old pal Greevy didn't do enough 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:31.640 to find out like who the dad was, because this 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:36.520 all could have been avoided. But Cragan, I know. Craigan 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:39.319 and Cabot are walking, so you bet you're ass. They're 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.000 talking and Cabot's saying she can't find him a foster 0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:43.759 home this late, so she's gonna have to put him 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.400 in a shelter, which Craigan calls a hell hole, and 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:49.080 he's like, why can't he just go with his maternal grandparents, 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:51.920 who have a right of natural guardianship, and Cabot's like, 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:54.560 the law does not give automatic custody to grandparents, and 0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:56.680 then Craigan like flips out on Alex and is like, 0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:58.840 don't think about the law, think about the kid, and 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:00.719 she's like, don't you think I am. It's like very 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:03.239 tense with Craigan and Cabot, as it has been the 0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:07.600 whole episode, and you know, Cabot's like, everybody wants a 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:09.719 piece of Tyler right now. Maybe the best place is 0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:12.319 for him to be somewhere neutral, and Craigan's like, tell 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.160 that to his grandparents, and I also don't think some 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:16.879 more neutral is like a shelter that Craigan describes as 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:21.440 really shitty and horrible. But the grandparents are now talking 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:24.319 to Cragan and they're really upset and they're like, we 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:26.319 lost our daughter and now you're saying we can't have 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:29.520 our grandson. And Craigan's like, not unless a judge says 0:53:29.560 --> 0:53:32.600 you can, but you can apply for temporary custody. And 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:36.600 he breaks the news that Tyler's biological dad, Rob is 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:39.120 also probably going to claim his parental rights and that 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:42.680 his rights supersede yours, and they're just like so sad. 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.000 They're like, Jennifer was our only child. This is like 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:49.920 our only you know, family, and she's the grandmother is 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.000 pissed at Craigan for giving them hope and then taking 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:56.839 it away. So now Tyler's talking to Cragan. They're having 0:53:56.880 --> 0:54:00.440 like a sweet little outdoor moment, and he's like what 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.120 happens to me now? And he's like, you'll be in 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:06.480 a temporary home until the judge decides, and he's like, 0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:08.160 I just want to go home to my parents, Like 0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:10.759 to the Blake's like, I don't really want any of 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:12.759 this to be happening, and he's like, I don't care 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:14.640 that the adoption was illegal. My parents loved me and 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:17.520 they've always been good to me, and Craigan's like, I 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:19.160 didn't want to take you away from your family, but 0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:21.240 I was just doing my job. I was just following 0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:23.520 the law. But my job is also to protect you. 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:26.680 Do you understand? And Tyler's like okay, but like I'm 0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:29.840 still I'm still annoyed. And then Craigan tells him that 0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:33.040 his maternal grandparents want to meet him, so right before 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:35.719 they go in, Tyler's like, do I have to hug them? 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.120 And I'm like, good instinct, Tyler, old people do smell 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:40.759 very weird. And so then they open the door and 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:44.080 the grandparents are standing right there and they're like it's 0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:46.520 like a very sweet moment, Like their eyes are welled 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:49.560 up with tears, and the grandmother calls him Steven and 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:51.920 he's like, my name is Tyler, and they're like okay, 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:55.120 hello Tyler, and it's just really emotional and the parent 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:58.080 grandparents are crying and Tyler's like, please don't cry, Like yeah, 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:02.000 really good acting. Yeah. The poor kid is like has 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:04.719 so many adults. He's carrying the emotions of so many 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.640 adults right now, like these grandparents and all these people, 0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:10.160 and it's just like a lot for a twelve year old. 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:15.640 So Cabot knocks on Cragan's door. They basically make up. 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:19.040 They start to plain ice and work together, and Tyler 0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:21.480 is going to need a lag guardian, Cabot says, and 0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.359 she's like, what if I volunteer? And Craigan's like, yeah, 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:26.920 but the law favors the biological parents, which is true, 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:29.440 and then Cabot says, the law also says that the 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:31.640 kid is old enough and mature enough to decide who 0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:35.240 he wants to live with, and so if I'm his attorney, 0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:37.200 I'll fight for what he wants, which is to live 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:40.720 with the Blakes. So now dun Dune, we're in court 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:44.400 and Huang is testifying that Tyler is an articulate, intelligent 0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:47.640 twelve year old, well adjusted, good at school, lots of friends. 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:50.239 He is definitely the product of a happy home. And 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:53.040 he says, They're like, oh, would you recommend him going 0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:55.560 to live with his biological dad right now? And he's like, 0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:59.200 actually no, that would be basically like him waking up 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.640 and hearing that his parents had died in a car crash, 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:04.200 Like it would be a sudden traumatic loss, and that 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.880 could lead at this age, with this kind of trauma, 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:09.600 it could lead to behavior problems, depression, a lot of 0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:12.400 you know, bad things down the line, and Huang is like, 0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:14.399 I do not recommend at all that he go live 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.839 with his biodad. And next on the stand, Missus Blake, 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:20.120 the adoptive mother, is on the stand showing a photo 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.799 album of Tyler's milestones, like, you know, talking about his 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:26.760 first birthday. We had one hundred people. It's like very sweet, 0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.040 and he's she says, he's the center of our lives. 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:31.320 He gets love. We don't have a lot of money, 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.240 but he does not want for anything, and she's terrified 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.480 of losing him and says, please don't punish us for 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:41.799 someone else's crime. So now Rob's lawyer cross examines and 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.520 is like, but can you imagine how Rob feels losing 0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:46.719 all those years? And it's like no, because he has 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:48.799 two other sons and he was literally walking around in 0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:51.920 his twenties jizzing and every woman on campus and it 0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:53.839 doesn't really seem like he cares too. He knocked up. 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:56.880 And then he says, well, if your child was lost 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:58.960 but taken in by a family and raised well and 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.160 then you found him when you want him back, is 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:02.600 that what you meant by the good point, Lisa. 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:05.000 Yeah, yeah, but now that you say it out loud, 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:06.439 he wasn't trying to find him. 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:10.080 Yeah, you didn't know he existed. Yes, but so it's 0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:12.920 a little bits a different situation. Yeah, but so she 0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:14.799 has to say yes to that question, even though it's 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:17.680 killing her the mom she's like, yes, I would want 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:21.120 him back, and so it's very sad. And then Rob 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.360 is on the stand being like, listen, I'm rich. I 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.800 can provide for him. He'll have brothers his own age. 0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:29.600 I don't know why that matters. Tyler is my flesh 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:32.560 and blood, which I just find that like very arrogant, 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:35.160 like just that you feel like because he's your like 0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:38.280 he's your flesh and blood, but like it was like 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:41.840 from a relationship you didn't even care about, Like you didn't. 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:44.760 It doesn't sound like you cared when she was murdered 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:46.560 that much either, like you just saw the pick in 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:49.520 the paper, like I don't know. And he's like he 0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:52.160 admits that these adoptive parents did just as good of 0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:54.000 a job as he could have done, and he's like, 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:56.200 it's imagine how hard it is for me to put 0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:57.920 them through this, Like he's kind of making it all 0:57:57.920 --> 0:57:59.880 about him. I just do not like this man, and 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:02.000 it's and then I wrote in my notes the same 0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:04.200 thing as what you were saying, Lisa, like have visitation, 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:06.640 let him stay in the life he's used to and 0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:10.000 you just finished a bitter custody battle with your ex. 0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:14.120 That's what Cabot asks him, and then she goes, what 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.520 if your wife had won sole custody like she was 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:18.440 suing you for and you weren't able to see your 0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:21.000 kids whenever you wanted, And he goes, yeah, it would 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:23.600 crush me. And then he apologizes to the Blakes on 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:26.160 the stand. Why doesn't the kid get to decide? 0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:28.560 It's like that's annoying to me too, Like, yeah, if 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:30.880 you're claiming to care about the kid and he doesn't 0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:32.520 want to go with you, why don't you just leave 0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:37.360 it at that? It's like about this guy, Yeah, yeah, 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:39.800 because I think the grandparents would be chill. 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:41.640 I think the grandparents would just be happy to. 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.080 Be in the in his life and not like, yes, 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:46.520 you must move into this room, Like I think they 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:47.280 would be chill. 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:51.920 So it's just this guy who's doing this all. Yeah, 0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:55.600 I hate I just hate this situation. It's terrible. So 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:58.800 in Craigan's office. Cabot says, this case is ripping her 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:01.360 guts out because it's all good people. Again, cab It, 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.480 I don't really think that Rob is a great person. 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:09.280 And Elliott and Olivia walk in and explain that all 0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:12.000 of Sanford's adoptions have been legit. There are no stolen 0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:14.040 babies that they can find, so this does seem like 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:15.920 even though this man is a crook, he's not like 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:18.720 a kidnapper. And then Olivia's got a nice little piece 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:22.360 of scoop. She's like, you know what, Linda, Rob's ex wife, 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:25.120 gave birth to her son a month after Jennifer gave birth, 0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:29.480 and her hospital roommate was a client of Sanford's, and 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:33.600 she said that she recommended Linda to Sandford. How do 0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:36.360 they know this? I don't know how Olivia would have 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:40.720 possibly tracked down the hospital roommate of Linda and that 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:43.439 she remembered what she said to her twelve years ago. 0:59:43.560 --> 0:59:47.440 But that's what's happened, I guess. And they compared the 0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:50.280 signature on the adoption papers to Linda's signature on the 0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:54.040 DNA release forms, and Craigan's like, let's get Linda in here. 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:57.880 So something's going on. The next scene is very classically 0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:01.600 lit dark interrogation scene. Linda looks like she's truly sitting 1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:04.800 under like one of those old timey solitary swinging light bulbs, 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:06.800 and she's like, why do I care if my ex 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:08.880 gets to keep his love child. She's very cocky and 1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:13.120 she's very bitchy, and Craigan accuses her of intercepting the 1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:15.560 letter that Jennifer sent informing Rob that he is the 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:18.880 father of her baby, and they say, why did you 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:21.320 ask about an adoption attorney? And she goes, I knew 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:23.760 Rob was cheating, and I didn't know he'd propose, so 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:26.200 I just like wanted to have my options of maybe, 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:30.000 you know, getting rid of this baby. Even though Rob says, 1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:34.720 I broke up with Jennifer because you know, Linda was pregnant. 1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:39.320 So the timeline of this doesn't really work out because 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:42.240 she had her baby a month after Jennifer, and if 1:00:42.320 --> 1:00:45.720 Jennifer was pregnant in that two weeks, that means Linda 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:48.120 couldn't have been pregnant already. They've only been together for 1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:52.040 two weeks, so Linda, this is just impossible. This timeline 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:54.960 Linda was in two weeks. No, they were together for 1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:57.560 two weeks, right, and then they broke up because Linda goes, 1:00:57.600 --> 1:01:00.760 I'm pregnant. That's impossible. Her baby's a month younger than 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:06.760 Linda than Jennifer's. Could she have given birth early? Uh oh, yeah, 1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:08.680 I guess it's possible. You're right. I guess it's possible. 1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:11.560 Jennifer gave birth like a month or two early or something. Yeah, 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:15.000 that's possible. Okay. I thought I was about to write 1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:20.320 into IMGB with a strip continuity problem. But anyway, so 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:21.960 it is all confusing this end. 1:01:22.080 --> 1:01:23.880 Yeah, I mean, I love the twists in turns of 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:26.200 it all, but it is confusing. 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:31.240 Yeah. So Jennifer's signature is on these adoption papers. They 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:33.960 show it to her and they're like, this is your handwriting. 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:38.760 We compared it to you know this other signature, Like 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:41.640 this is yours. So they go, you got the letter, 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:45.160 you went to see Jennifer. Something happened and Jennifer was dead, 1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:47.560 so you impersonated her and you took her baby to 1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:50.400 Mark Sandford. Craigan goes, just tell me you didn't mean 1:01:50.440 --> 1:01:52.440 to kill her, and I can help you, and she goes, 1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:56.480 I want a lawyer. So guilty as fuck that's exactly 1:01:56.480 --> 1:02:00.840 what happened. Crazy twist, you know. But that's another reason 1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:03.520 why it's so insane that this guy, Oh, he worked 1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:05.360 this case to the bone. He worked it. Like it's 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:07.040 like that you didn't talk to the roommate who would 1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:08.320 have told you about Rob and you would have found 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.080 out that there was another woman and there was like 1:02:10.160 --> 1:02:13.480 other like either one of them could have been you know, suspects. 1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:17.280 So yeah, it's like Craig and your friends sucked. Yeah, 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:19.640 And it's also very much me being like I could 1:02:19.640 --> 1:02:21.960 be a cop. I've watched a lot of SVU, so 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:24.280 who knows how it was really going back in that 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:28.360 uh in real life, even though this isn't real. So 1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:30.600 back in court, the judge is like, yeah, this is 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:33.160 a very different kind of case for me. Most of 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:35.959 the time, nobody wants the kid, and now everybody wants 1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:37.920 this kid. I like, she's it's rare to see so 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:42.080 many people pulling to get one kid, and so she 1:02:42.840 --> 1:02:43.640 talks to everybody. 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:47.040 She's like, I was explaining this episode to someone I 1:02:47.040 --> 1:02:50.400 wish I remembered, but they were like, what's it about 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:50.960 this kid? 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:53.640 What does this kid have to offer? What's so great 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:57.640 about this fucking kid. Yeah, they said he's popular and good, 1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:00.400 makes good grades. Maybe he's like a sweet little boy knows. 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:05.680 So the judge is like, Rob, you're good, Blake's you're good. 1:03:06.000 --> 1:03:09.840 But the law recognizes the biological rights of the parent, 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:15.360 so she awards custody to Rob Cook. So Cabot was 1:03:15.400 --> 1:03:17.440 just full of shit when she said that the court 1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:21.600 lets Tyler decide. That's just like not true, Like, well, 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:24.440 I think the judge gets to overset anything. I guess. 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:26.840 I don't know. It's fucked up. The judge is fucked 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:30.840 like yeah, like I think that there also should have 1:03:30.880 --> 1:03:32.680 been a part where Tyler took the stand to tell 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:35.280 the judge what he wanted. But also I don't know, 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:38.440 Like I am a CASA, so it's my responsibility to 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:41.040 write a letter. I write a report to a judge 1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:44.440 like every six months, saying this is what she wants, 1:03:45.000 --> 1:03:47.200 and if it was something like this, it's like usually 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:49.360 I feel like what I've seen in family court is 1:03:49.400 --> 1:03:52.480 like the judge takes into account what the child wants, 1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:55.280 especially if they're of an age where they can decide. Obviously, 1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:56.680 an eight year old might be like I want to 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:58.240 go live with my grandma, because she doesn't lets me 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:00.680 do whatever, you know, But like a twelve year old 1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:03.320 can say, this is where I want to be, so 1:04:03.360 --> 1:04:05.320 it's it is. It's kind of surprising to me. This 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:10.200 verdict also not covered at any point. Now he has 1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:12.920 to live with the two sons of his mother's killer, 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:17.040 whoa like, are you kidding me? He has to just 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:19.400 be there with his two brothers and be like, hey, 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:21.520 so remember when your mom killed my mom and then 1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:23.800 it ruined my whole fucking life because I got adopted 1:04:23.840 --> 1:04:25.320 and then I had to come back to you guys, 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:28.200 Like this would not pass. Like to me, this would 1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:31.080 not pass like home screening or psychological screening. If that 1:04:31.160 --> 1:04:34.919 woman was on trial for the murder or like ended 1:04:34.960 --> 1:04:38.840 up getting arrested, like getting convicted, this would be considered 1:04:38.960 --> 1:04:42.000 I think, like psychologically unwell circumstances. 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:45.000 No, I hope mister Cook comes to his senses. 1:04:45.560 --> 1:04:48.880 Yeah, So the Blakes are crushed when the judge reads 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:53.600 the verdict and the uh tyler runs to them and 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:57.640 hugs them. The grandparents look sad, everyone is bummed. It's 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:00.600 not nice, it's not great. And then Cab walking out 1:05:00.640 --> 1:05:03.200 with Craigan and she's like, I really prefer Pop prosecuting. 1:05:03.240 --> 1:05:04.960 At least then I know who the bad guy is. 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:08.080 And Rob and the Blakes are standing on the courthouse 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:10.400 steps and they're at least talking, so it sounds like 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:13.200 everyone's going to have a relationship with Tyler, whether or 1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:15.760 not he's living under anyone's roof. They're all it's not 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:18.080 like Rob is saying, Okay, say go bye to your parents. 1:05:18.120 --> 1:05:21.080 You're never going to see them again. And Craigan and 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:25.360 Tyler like share this sort of sad look and it 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:27.280 kind of looks like Tyler's like, what's up, dude, I 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:30.120 thought you were gonna help me, and like that's like 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:32.840 the look kind of and then they just that's it 1:05:32.920 --> 1:05:35.560 and it's very sad. And then that is dick Wolf. 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:39.400 Maybe there'll be an episode where Tyler kills Craigan. Yes, 1:05:40.720 --> 1:05:42.440 And are they going to let him go by Tyler? 1:05:42.560 --> 1:05:45.280 Are they going to start forcing Steven upon him? I 1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:47.920 think Tyler. I think Tyler for sure, because it's not 1:05:47.960 --> 1:05:50.479 like Rob named him that, you know, like his dead 1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:52.360 mom named him that. I think the grandparents would be 1:05:52.400 --> 1:05:54.240 the only ones holding on to Steven. 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:56.680 But yeah, that's that. 1:05:56.640 --> 1:05:59.760 A good episode for season three, like to have that 1:05:59.840 --> 1:06:02.960 much any twists and turns and fun stuff. 1:06:03.560 --> 1:06:08.080 Yeah, it's a great episode. Yeah, totally right. And I 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:10.120 know nothing about the crime that this is based on, 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:12.439 and I like to do that on purpose. I leave 1:06:12.480 --> 1:06:15.320 my Lisa crimes. I like to keep myself virginal for 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:32.680 those it's fucking sick dude, We'll be right back. Oh right. 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:37.600 This is mostly based on a crime a murder, bad 1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:41.360 bad man named John Robinson, and of course he was 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:43.960 seen as the ideal family man. I mean, all these 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:47.520 articles are just like. He coached his four children's various 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:51.360 sports teams in the Kansas City area Sunday school teacher 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:54.960 volunteered as a scout master. He you know, he loved 1:06:55.000 --> 1:06:57.840 to mow his grass and grill burgers. People are like, 1:06:57.880 --> 1:07:01.800 he smiled, he laughed, he told stories, good handshake, congenial 1:07:01.880 --> 1:07:02.439 type of guy. 1:07:02.600 --> 1:07:04.960 This is like literally also the description of BTK. 1:07:05.560 --> 1:07:11.480 Yeah, immaculate yard, elaborate decorations for holidays, which obviously made 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:14.040 him the most perfect con man manipulator of all time. 1:07:15.120 --> 1:07:17.800 Do not trust anyone with a well manicured lawn that 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:20.640 is a murderer waiting to happen. Any dude who's like 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:24.040 I love my lawn. That's a killer. Check his shed. 1:07:24.920 --> 1:07:27.680 So he actually went to prison in nineteen eighty seven 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:29.919 for fraud and then he got out in nineteen ninety three. 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:31.840 And then in June. 1:07:31.600 --> 1:07:35.040 Two thousand is when authorities uncovered bodies of multiple women 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:37.760 in Beryl's Dexter style on his farm and in a 1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:38.560 storage locker. 1:07:38.640 --> 1:07:43.360 Baryl Girls. That season helped me up. Girls. That season 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:44.400 was really fucked up. 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:47.160 It was scary because people are like, oh, after the 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:50.200 Trinity Killer, Dexter was bad, and it's like, no, it's not. 1:07:50.360 --> 1:07:53.360 I mean it had season five is still good. 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:56.840 Well Julia Styles, because Julia Styles is like a living victim, 1:07:57.000 --> 1:08:00.160 like The Trinity Killer didn't really have living victims, and 1:08:00.280 --> 1:08:02.800 it was Johnny Lee Miller. I don't know. 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:05.080 I thought it was good in the barrel of it all, 1:08:05.120 --> 1:08:07.800 and just like having a group of men get together 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:10.560 to murder together, It's just like it was scary and 1:08:10.640 --> 1:08:12.520 believable and like, oh. 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:14.520 So yeah. 1:08:14.560 --> 1:08:17.639 So then there was barrels and one of the women 1:08:17.840 --> 1:08:20.320 this is how it all ties together, was found that 1:08:20.400 --> 1:08:22.559 she had a baby girl at the time of her murder, 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:28.200 and the baby was alive and now a teenager living 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:35.240 with john Robinson's brother no an investigator who worked the case, 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:37.519 Rick Ross, said he was one of the most dangerous 1:08:37.560 --> 1:08:39.800 criminals that he had ever encountered, and he said that 1:08:39.840 --> 1:08:40.879 to ABC News. 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:42.840 So this is a done done. 1:08:42.760 --> 1:08:46.280 To like the Max, and now we'll travel back in 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:50.439 time and learn about this case. So this fucker was 1:08:50.479 --> 1:08:53.080 married in nineteen sixty four and he married a woman 1:08:53.160 --> 1:08:56.200 named Nancy Joe Lynch and he started working at Chicago 1:08:56.280 --> 1:09:00.840 Hospital and Nancy Joe then eventually managed the trailer park 1:09:00.880 --> 1:09:03.439 where they ended up living, which I think was helpful 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:05.360 to him to get away with stuff, but I don't know. 1:09:05.960 --> 1:09:10.000 So in nineteen eighty four, Robinson put up a help 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:12.400 wanted ad in the paper for a sales rep job 1:09:12.439 --> 1:09:15.559 and hired nineteen year old Paula Godfrey and let her 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:18.200 know that she would be traveling to Texas for some training, 1:09:18.640 --> 1:09:22.240 and she disappeared. And the training was for screen printing. 1:09:22.840 --> 1:09:24.920 So I guess in the eighties screen printing you had 1:09:24.920 --> 1:09:26.960 to leave the state like you couldn't learn how to 1:09:27.000 --> 1:09:32.760 screen print. So Godfrey's father confronted Robinson, who said he 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:35.240 didn't know what he was talking about. But then right 1:09:35.320 --> 1:09:38.839 after that interaction, letters signed by his daughter started arriving 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:41.880 saying she was safe and fine. So then in nineteen 1:09:41.880 --> 1:09:44.960 eighty four, around Christmas time, he then started an organization 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:49.840 called Kansas City Outreach Program to help down trodden women. 1:09:50.200 --> 1:09:52.759 Is that a word we still use today? Down trodden? 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:56.800 I don't know sad sad women with no luck. So 1:09:57.479 --> 1:10:00.840 he went to Silver Hospitals and social workers and told 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:04.200 them about his program that he's starting. And Karen Gaddis 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:06.880 is a former social worker, and she said that he 1:10:06.920 --> 1:10:09.559 explained the program worked with young pregnant women or women 1:10:09.600 --> 1:10:12.080 with newborns to help them get them back on their 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:14.920 feet in a place to live. And after Christmas he 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:17.880 called and said, guess what, I got a girl. I 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:20.240 got a girl from the women's shelter in Kansas City 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:22.559 and he met with her and she agreed to go 1:10:22.600 --> 1:10:26.879 into his program. So that woman, her name is Lisa Stassy, 1:10:27.400 --> 1:10:30.200 and she was nineteen years old at the time. And 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.280 there's another social worker named Sharon Turner Jackson. 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:34.599 So her and. 1:10:34.720 --> 1:10:37.960 Gaddis both were like, yeah, we were definitely suspicious of 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:40.720 his desire to find needy white women with children right 1:10:40.760 --> 1:10:45.200 before Christmas, like the night before Christmas. So they definitely 1:10:45.200 --> 1:10:48.200 were like, Okay, this is weird, but I guess not 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:53.080 weird enough. And it seemed like Lisa and John connected. 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:56.400 So he put up Lisa and her four month old daughter, 1:10:56.400 --> 1:10:59.719 Tiffany up at the Roadway Inn hotel, and he promised 1:10:59.720 --> 1:11:02.040 her to help her get to Texas to train for 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:05.240 the silk screening job, like everyone wanted a silk screen 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:09.880 Like I don't understand. So he also offered her eight 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:12.760 hundred dollars a month for living expenses and promised to 1:11:12.800 --> 1:11:15.720 find her a babysitter. And so he really promised her 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:17.880 a lot of stuff that obviously got her excited to 1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:21.599 like come stay. So then cut to one day, Sassy's 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:24.120 family got a call from Lisa and she was hysterically 1:11:24.160 --> 1:11:26.280 crying and she was telling them that she had to 1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:29.040 sign four pieces of paper and they're like, don't sign anything, 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:31.719 don't do it, and she said here, they come now, 1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:33.519 and she hung up and that was the last time 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:35.559 that her family ever heard from her. But then they 1:11:35.600 --> 1:11:38.200 received a letter that was supposedly from Lisa, but they 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:41.839 knew it was fucking weird because she sucked it typing 1:11:41.880 --> 1:11:43.840 and she wouldn't have typed a letter. They're like, she 1:11:43.880 --> 1:11:47.760 wouldn't This isn't her And I think computers were like pretty. 1:11:47.560 --> 1:11:48.760 Rare in the eighties, so I don't know. 1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:51.040 Yeah, So that was eighty four and now it's eighty 1:11:51.080 --> 1:11:54.600 seven and it's time for like his fraud charges in 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:57.480 prison time and we'll get into more details. 1:11:57.080 --> 1:11:57.679 About the fraud. 1:11:58.080 --> 1:12:00.840 So but right before his arrest, another woman in her 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:05.000 mid twenties disappeared named Catherine Clampett. So that's what happened 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:07.280 right before he got into jail. Now he's in prison, 1:12:07.600 --> 1:12:12.680 right and he starts a relationship with the prison librarian 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:15.479 named Beverly Bonner, who is married to the prison doctor. 1:12:16.080 --> 1:12:18.880 So he's just like this master manipulator. So he starts 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:21.800 dating the librarian. And once he left prison, Bonner left 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:24.760 the prison divorced her husband to be with Robinson. But 1:12:24.880 --> 1:12:28.160 also it's like where is Nancy Joe? They are still married, 1:12:28.400 --> 1:12:31.799 So he's still married to Nancy Joe. He is having 1:12:31.800 --> 1:12:34.920 this like affair with this prison librarian he met in 1:12:34.960 --> 1:12:38.559 prison while being a criminal, and also had this other 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:42.240 relationship right before with this woman named Catherine, and also 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:48.440 is helping single women. Okay, whatever, So Bonner went missing. Obviously, 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:52.640 like is anyone surprised Bonner is missing, but he continued 1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:56.559 to collect her monthly alimony checks and then continue to. 1:12:56.600 --> 1:12:57.840 Sought out other women. 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:01.040 The authority is like, once all the bodies are found, 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:04.320 think that Bonner was died in nineteen ninety four, but 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:06.360 they can't really be sure. 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:07.080 Now. 1:13:07.280 --> 1:13:11.519 Then the Internet happened and he got five computers, and 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:14.080 he had a ton of aliases, and he started searching 1:13:14.160 --> 1:13:17.960 for sex in the BDSM community. So he was this 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:22.240 balding grandfather but also was advertising himself as a sadist 1:13:22.360 --> 1:13:26.000 looking for love slaves. And his wife, Nancy was just 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:28.240 like in the next room, typing away. Like while he 1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:30.479 was typing away searching for victims, she was just living 1:13:30.560 --> 1:13:34.280 her life, like not really suspicious at all, like kind 1:13:34.360 --> 1:13:37.200 of you know whatever, didn't care where this money was 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:40.800 coming from. From all these checks, he's stealing whatever. Yeah, 1:13:40.800 --> 1:13:42.680 like how'd you get these five computers? We live in 1:13:42.680 --> 1:13:47.760 a trailer part. So in nineteen ninety seven he met 1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:52.040 Isabella Luika and she was a young Polish immigrant and 1:13:52.160 --> 1:13:52.719 art student. 1:13:53.160 --> 1:13:55.760 Do I hear another screen printing coming on? Okay? But 1:13:56.560 --> 1:13:58.240 a young Polish immigrant art student. 1:13:58.320 --> 1:14:00.760 She was living in Indiana and he just was trying 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:02.519 to convince her to come to Kansas and to be 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:07.280 his submissive, and she disappears as well, and he like, 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:09.559 basically he had this whole thing where he's like, I'm rich, 1:14:09.720 --> 1:14:12.000 I travel a lot, I'll take care of everything. Just 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:15.320 come be my slave and I'll pay for everything. And okay, 1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:18.240 so this is where it's like, I just don't I 1:14:18.320 --> 1:14:20.360 understand when you're desperate and you need help. But like 1:14:21.439 --> 1:14:24.080 he said, listen, you're gonna be so busy. I need 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:27.160 you to sign some blank pieces of paper. And it's like, 1:14:27.280 --> 1:14:29.040 wouldn't you not do that? 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:31.240 I don't know. It's like yeah, me question it. 1:14:31.280 --> 1:14:33.960 And you can't like think how you're gonna act in 1:14:34.000 --> 1:14:36.360 these fucked up situations, and maybe it's like, oh this 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:37.840 is too good to be true, like yeah, I get 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:39.559 like someone to help pay for me, and I get 1:14:39.600 --> 1:14:41.840 to work and like get fucked. I don't know, like 1:14:42.240 --> 1:14:45.280 hell yeah. But he would later obviously send these letters 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:47.960 to women's families, posing as them so the relatives didn't 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:48.840 think they had been killed. 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:52.439 This reminds me of at my school, I think maybe 1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:55.280 my elementary, my middle school. You were allowed to write 1:14:55.320 --> 1:14:57.720 the note yourself as long as your parents signed it 1:14:58.240 --> 1:15:00.240 like to get out of a homework or get out 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:02.600 of whatever, and I would go, Dad, can I have 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:05.479 your autograph? I would like pretend like I was collecting 1:15:05.520 --> 1:15:08.040 autographs of everyone in the family and then like write 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:11.479 a note above it. I was a con person. Anyway, 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:12.840 I think it only worked like one time. 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:17.280 No, that's sweet though, it's like definitely a little bit different. 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:20.960 And also like I understand that the times were different, 1:15:21.040 --> 1:15:23.880 so like we didn't have constant communication with our families, 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:26.600 but or these are different types of people. But like 1:15:26.680 --> 1:15:29.519 also just sending a letter would be strange, Like if 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:31.720 I'm used to talking to my child and suddenly I 1:15:31.720 --> 1:15:34.519 get just these letters without anything. But they had time 1:15:34.560 --> 1:15:36.640 to call, Like they had time to write but not call, 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:39.519 Like that would just be suspicious. Yeah, it would just 1:15:39.800 --> 1:15:42.759 not It's not normal. But like I said, they didn't. 1:15:43.080 --> 1:15:45.360 It's not like everyone had computers and phones at the time. 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:45.760 Right. 1:15:46.600 --> 1:15:48.400 So now it's nineteen ninety nine. 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:52.719 We're in Newport, Michigan, and Robinson scams someone named Suzette 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:54.800 Troughton who is twenty eight. 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:57.040 So he is he moving around the country with all 1:15:57.080 --> 1:16:00.879 this well she no, he's convincing people to come to Kansas. 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:01.640 Oh got it? 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:04.360 Okay, So he's from Illinois, he works in Chicago stuff. 1:16:04.360 --> 1:16:06.439 But then we're actually going to get to it. So 1:16:06.439 --> 1:16:09.240 he lived in Kansas, but he went back and forth 1:16:09.280 --> 1:16:11.720 and committed crimes in Kansas and Missouri and played a 1:16:11.760 --> 1:16:14.200 lot of jurisdiction games to continue to like. 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:15.519 Keep getting out of crimes. 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:19.639 Gotcha, And so he like played the system to keep 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:21.160 getting away with crimes. But then at the end it 1:16:21.160 --> 1:16:23.040 fucked him because he had to do two trials, one 1:16:23.080 --> 1:16:25.360 in Kansas and won in Missouri for all of his crimes. 1:16:25.400 --> 1:16:27.360 So he thought he was like being so slick, but 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:29.720 then he ended up getting fucked at the end. 1:16:29.920 --> 1:16:31.160 Okay because of it. 1:16:31.200 --> 1:16:34.000 But yeah, he lived in olith Kansas in this trailer 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:37.679 park that his wife managed, and then was convincing people 1:16:37.720 --> 1:16:41.320 off the internet to come to Kansas because he's rich 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:43.639 and he just needed help and he would pay for everything. 1:16:43.760 --> 1:16:45.240 Ted, gotcha? Okay? Cool. 1:16:45.360 --> 1:16:49.080 So for Susette, the scam was not b DSM six. 1:16:49.200 --> 1:16:52.120 It was he persuaded her to work as the caretaker 1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:54.680 for his fake elderly father. In reality, his dad had 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:57.519 been dead for a long long time. But what's so 1:16:57.640 --> 1:16:59.840 wild about this? She went out there and visited him 1:16:59.840 --> 1:17:02.840 to twice. The job seemed legit, so I don't know 1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:06.160 what fucking old man he found. He also showed her 1:17:06.160 --> 1:17:09.439 his mansion and guest house. Don't know what these things were, 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:12.200 how he did it whatever, Yeah, but he made it 1:17:12.240 --> 1:17:14.960 seem very legit, and she was gonna be making sixty 1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:17.360 two thousand dollars a year and she was super excited 1:17:17.360 --> 1:17:19.320 about it and to use the money to train to 1:17:19.360 --> 1:17:22.240 become a licensed nurse and then eventually and registered nurse. 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:24.559 He picked her up from the airport in a limo 1:17:25.560 --> 1:17:29.880 like it seemed legit, and then he you know, she 1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:31.920 was told that she'd be traveling for a month to 1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:35.599 start the job. And after she disappeared, her mother started 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:38.120 getting emails from her. But she knew something was off 1:17:38.840 --> 1:17:42.200 because everything was spelled right, and she goes, no, no, no, 1:17:42.280 --> 1:17:45.120 this is not my daughter because everything was spelled right, 1:17:45.160 --> 1:17:48.400 so she knew something was off. But then the spelling 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:51.000 games continued. But the things that she did spell wrong 1:17:51.080 --> 1:17:53.840 that was weird was her dog's names, and she would 1:17:53.840 --> 1:17:56.320 never spell her own dog's names wrong. She loved those 1:17:56.320 --> 1:18:00.519 fucking dogs. And so this disappearance is whenever kind of 1:18:00.560 --> 1:18:04.599 came crumbling down. So within days there was a task force. 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:06.280 Because the mom was like, these are not emails for 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:08.920 my daughter. She would like where are these dogs? She 1:18:08.920 --> 1:18:11.839 would not leave without the like you need to figure 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:15.920 shit out. So the authorities released the names and in 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:18.400 some cases photos of the women and the baby who 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:21.559 disappeared that might have been linked to Robinson. So just 1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:25.320 as a little recap, there's Paula Godfrey nineteen, reported missing 1:18:25.320 --> 1:18:28.519 in nineteen eighty four. We have Lisa Stassey nineteen and 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:31.120 her five month old daughter Tiffany in nineteen eighty five. 1:18:31.600 --> 1:18:34.880 We have Catherine Klampett twenty seven, reported missing in nineteen 1:18:34.920 --> 1:18:38.559 eighty seven, and then Isabella kay Luika twenty two, missing 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:40.840 in nineteen ninety nine, and all of the women were 1:18:40.840 --> 1:18:43.360 living or staying in Overland Park, Kansas at the time 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:47.639 they vanished. So then they found the dogs. They found 1:18:47.760 --> 1:18:52.360 Pica and Harry Susette's dogs abandoned at the trailer park 1:18:52.360 --> 1:18:56.920 where Robinson lived. So on March first, two thousand, they 1:18:56.960 --> 1:19:00.360 realized that like these abandoned dogs were found at the 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:04.000 the trailer park, and that's the same day that Susette disappeared. 1:19:04.760 --> 1:19:07.800 So they found one of the dogs adopted already with 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:09.960 a new family, and when they called him Pika, his 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:13.920 ears perked up and his tail started wagging, so he 1:19:14.400 --> 1:19:19.559 responded to his given name, so they knew something was 1:19:20.200 --> 1:19:22.879 they were close to something. I know it's a different spelling, 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:24.920 but it is the name of the disorder that the 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:27.120 kid gets when he licks the lead off the cars. 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:30.760 In the other episode of That's. 1:19:29.479 --> 1:19:32.560 So Funny, I was thinking Pika chew, I was saying, okay. 1:19:33.880 --> 1:19:36.400 So then they made Suzette's mom, Carolyn Trout, and a 1:19:36.439 --> 1:19:39.439 tape recorder. They made her like they didn't make it 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:42.400 for her, so they gave her this tape recorder to 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:46.760 call Robinson and to tell her like hey, you know, 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.160 to tell him like listen, where's my daughter. And he's like, 1:19:49.200 --> 1:19:52.880 don't worry, chill out. She left with someone else, Like 1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:55.160 it has you know, she she ditched me, I have 1:19:55.200 --> 1:19:57.960 no idea where she is. And Carolyn kept pushing him 1:19:57.960 --> 1:19:59.519 and was like, I think I need to report her 1:19:59.520 --> 1:20:01.920 to the authority and he's like, don't report her missing. 1:20:02.000 --> 1:20:03.479 I'm sure you'll hear from her soon. 1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:07.120 And like clockwork, letters started arriving to all the family 1:20:07.760 --> 1:20:10.280 right after the call, and again, they knew it wasn't 1:20:10.280 --> 1:20:13.760 her because the dogs names were not spelled correctly, and 1:20:13.840 --> 1:20:16.200 that's not what she would do. 1:20:16.400 --> 1:20:17.679 She was obsessed with those dogs. 1:20:18.479 --> 1:20:20.719 So they continued to follow him as he brought women 1:20:20.800 --> 1:20:23.160 in from all over the US to put up in hotels, 1:20:23.640 --> 1:20:26.639 and the investigators would rent the adjoining rooms and being 1:20:26.840 --> 1:20:29.280 and like pay attention to what's up, So you are 1:20:29.360 --> 1:20:31.599 right in terms of like he was bringing other women 1:20:31.880 --> 1:20:37.360 to Kansas. They also then went through his trash and 1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:40.280 found shredded documents and there was one that helped them 1:20:40.280 --> 1:20:43.679 locate a storage locker. It's like, how many other people 1:20:43.680 --> 1:20:46.320 were they going to watch him bring until something terrible happened? 1:20:46.360 --> 1:20:47.680 Like it is fucked up to just sit in a 1:20:47.680 --> 1:20:50.360 hotel room like terrorizing these women, I don't know. 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:51.599 So they had to make a move. 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:54.479 So after he was trying to lure down women from 1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:56.760 some farm, they decided they'd had enough and moved in 1:20:57.479 --> 1:21:00.839 and they arrested him at the Santa Barbara States Mobile 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:03.360 Home Park in olaf But I love that it's called 1:21:03.400 --> 1:21:06.880 Santa Barbara Estates. It's like making it sound like coastal 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:10.439 and this like this trajectory of this crime in this 1:21:10.600 --> 1:21:12.959 recap is like as confusing as the episode. 1:21:13.000 --> 1:21:15.640 Honestly, there's like so much happening. Yeah. 1:21:16.520 --> 1:21:19.640 So June two thousand, he is held and charged with 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:23.240 aggravated sexual battery of two out of town women and 1:21:23.240 --> 1:21:26.280 stealing five hundred dollars worth of sex toys from one 1:21:26.320 --> 1:21:29.920 of the women. So two women that he met in 1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:34.200 local hotels for some sado masochistic sex, but he ended 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:37.000 up assaulting and robbing them, and so he was arrested 1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:41.600 on Friday, and they spent the weekend making all the discoveries. 1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:43.559 So he was bringing in these women. 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:46.400 The cops had this room they were watching, and still 1:21:46.439 --> 1:21:48.800 these women got assaulted. That's what's so fucked up that 1:21:48.840 --> 1:21:52.639 the cops just kind of like used live women as 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:55.240 bait without them knowing that they were bait. Like it's 1:21:55.240 --> 1:22:00.519 fucked up. Yeah, but so you would just use rollins. Yes, 1:22:02.200 --> 1:22:06.760 So because of the investigations starting whatever, So Friday, he's 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:09.719 arrested for harassing these two women, assaulting them, and robbing 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:12.439 them of all of their sex choice. And during the 1:22:12.479 --> 1:22:16.840 weekend they started like a full hardcore investigation and they 1:22:16.880 --> 1:22:20.840 needed to find evidence. So his farm was fifty seven 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:25.759 miles south of Kansas City, and some hardworking cadaver dogs 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:29.200 smelled some stuff around the trash and police found barrels 1:22:29.240 --> 1:22:32.200 and blood started pouring out of the barrel and once 1:22:32.240 --> 1:22:35.640 they looked in, that's where they found Suzette Trappin the 1:22:35.680 --> 1:22:39.759 second barrel was Isabella Luiica. Now in the storage locker 1:22:40.000 --> 1:22:45.200 that was in Raymore, Missouri, was fifty four miles northeast 1:22:45.240 --> 1:22:47.760 of where he lived, and there were three more barrels there. 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:51.599 And the manager of the storage unit was interviewed by 1:22:51.600 --> 1:22:54.160 the New York Times, and you know, they were like, yeah, 1:22:54.160 --> 1:22:56.479 he would pay his rent on time, often in person, 1:22:56.560 --> 1:23:00.120 and then in quotes he would run through here, I 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:03.160 guess to check on his bones. And I just thought 1:23:03.160 --> 1:23:07.639 that was, oh my god, he would run through here, 1:23:07.760 --> 1:23:12.000 I guess to check on his bones, maybe just like 1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:12.799 the word bones. 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:16.040 But it just made me kind of like, I mean, 1:23:16.120 --> 1:23:18.479 I think it's also a very funny quote from a 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:21.680 person not who does not comprehend that this is like 1:23:21.720 --> 1:23:24.080 a serial killer. Yeah. 1:23:26.000 --> 1:23:28.400 So then some of the women they found in there, 1:23:28.560 --> 1:23:31.479 they didn't even know we're missing. So that's like Bonner, 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:34.120 who is the prison library, and they found they found 1:23:34.160 --> 1:23:36.920 a mother daughter duo named Sheila and Debbie Faith. 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:38.320 The duo had not. 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:41.479 Been seen or heard from since nineteen ninety four, and 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:44.400 Debbie had cerebral palsy and used a wheelchair. So he 1:23:44.479 --> 1:23:47.679 really like went after people that like really couldn't get away. 1:23:48.720 --> 1:23:50.920 He convinced them to come out because they were living 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:52.880 off of only one thousand dollars a month from the 1:23:52.880 --> 1:23:55.439 government and food stamps, and they were in a really 1:23:55.479 --> 1:23:58.040 desperate situation. So we moved them to Kansas and then 1:23:58.080 --> 1:24:00.880 got her a po box and then continue to collect 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:03.599 her government checks for years and pulled in over eighty 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:07.480 thousand dollars in their checks over all of the years. 1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:08.840 So he's like a con man. 1:24:08.920 --> 1:24:11.000 It's basically like I think we talked about this with 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:14.599 other killers or serial killers, like they don't want to kill, 1:24:15.520 --> 1:24:18.160 or maybe they do. It's like it's just a necessary 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:20.000 thing they have to do to get what they want, 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:22.240 you know. It's like, well, yeah, she was making too 1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:24.559 much noise, so I had to kill her. She was annoying. 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:26.720 So that's what this guy. It's like, it's not even 1:24:26.760 --> 1:24:28.719 about the murder. Maybe it is, but it is about 1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:31.000 like I want that money, so you have to die. 1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:35.320 Yeah, So was he like sexually assaulting them, Like, how 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:38.200 is he murdering them? Like, oh, I'll tell you about that. 1:24:38.200 --> 1:24:41.360 Oh well, some of them he was meeting up to 1:24:41.520 --> 1:24:44.880 have sex with, right, Like and Bonner he had that 1:24:44.920 --> 1:24:48.400 relationship with. Yeah, And I don't know what he did 1:24:48.439 --> 1:24:51.080 to the other women's It doesn't explicitly say that there 1:24:51.200 --> 1:24:54.479 was like any sort of rape and stuff. Yeah, that's 1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:57.600 not like what he's known for, right, Right, So the 1:24:57.640 --> 1:25:00.400 evidence started to pile at this point. There were seats 1:25:00.439 --> 1:25:03.639 from the roadway in from like nineteen eighty five, where 1:25:03.680 --> 1:25:06.799 Lisa Stassey's name was on the receipt of staying there. 1:25:07.560 --> 1:25:11.040 They found these blank letters with the signature of his victims. 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:14.080 So he was charged with five murders in June two 1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:16.479 thousand and he was held on a five million dollar bond, 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:19.599 and then his defense attorney would be a great SVU 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:22.800 character in terms of like evil. A direct quote from 1:25:22.800 --> 1:25:26.479 The New York Times from Robinson's lawyer Byron Cirilla was, 1:25:26.960 --> 1:25:28.960 I resent the fact that people are now claiming that 1:25:29.000 --> 1:25:32.200 mister Robinson, either directly or indirectly, as a serial killer. 1:25:32.240 --> 1:25:34.679 And it's like, okay, you resent that he killed people? 1:25:34.720 --> 1:25:37.320 Like it's just such a crazy out of touch quote 1:25:37.320 --> 1:25:37.479 to me. 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:39.880 Even if you are you killed more than two people, 1:25:39.920 --> 1:25:42.559 you're a serial killer. I mean, like that's just the 1:25:42.640 --> 1:25:44.479 fact multiple barrels. 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:48.760 Yeah, I wonder if that Deck season Dexter was like 1:25:48.880 --> 1:25:51.400 kind of inspired by this. To be honest, I would 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:54.519 want to hit up on some of the writers and 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:56.000 find out or I guess. 1:25:56.320 --> 1:25:59.040 I guess a lot of people can hold people in barrels. 1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:01.559 But this is just so interesting that this man just 1:26:01.600 --> 1:26:03.800 goes by John Robinson. He doesn't have a middle name, 1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:06.240 which most of these people do, most serial killers do, 1:26:06.479 --> 1:26:10.080 and he was never given a name or anything. But 1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:12.240 I think that's like you usually get a name when 1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:13.920 they can't find you for a long time. 1:26:14.120 --> 1:26:16.720 And maybe he was, but he was killing for a 1:26:16.760 --> 1:26:18.439 long time, but they weren't even looking for him. 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:20.479 But they weren't even connect it. It wasn't like they 1:26:20.520 --> 1:26:22.679 were like, oh, we're looking for the Green River killer 1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:24.519 because we just keep finding all these bodies in the 1:26:24.520 --> 1:26:26.320 Green River. It was like they found him and then 1:26:26.360 --> 1:26:27.479 they found all his bodies. 1:26:27.800 --> 1:26:31.040 Yeah, which is scary because that means how many fucking 1:26:31.439 --> 1:26:34.960 how many like Richard Ramirez style without any like actual 1:26:35.000 --> 1:26:37.000 patterns and different things are there, you know. 1:26:37.920 --> 1:26:40.360 But Richard was a creep out and about. 1:26:39.960 --> 1:26:42.479 Like people knew he was shady like this, Like this 1:26:42.560 --> 1:26:44.720 guy was like, oh yeah, he's so funny, grilled a 1:26:44.760 --> 1:26:45.960 lot his long looked great. 1:26:46.120 --> 1:26:48.479 Yeah, that's scary, like the guys that have like the 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:52.639 mask on of like me Joe, Yeah yeah. 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:55.479 And for just I mean, obviously he like compiled a 1:26:55.520 --> 1:26:58.280 lot of money, but like to kill a mother daughter 1:26:58.360 --> 1:27:03.160 for one thousand dollars a month just like pretty fucked up. Yeah, 1:27:03.400 --> 1:27:08.880 pretty fucked up. So he's a ruthless motherfucker who used 1:27:08.880 --> 1:27:12.000 whatever promised would work as a lure. Like that's the thing. 1:27:12.000 --> 1:27:14.599 He didn't have an MO. It was like come work 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:18.679 for me, or yeah, come fuck me, or you know. Also, 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:21.920 they connected to him to four people who had gone missing. 1:27:21.960 --> 1:27:23.800 I mean, there's just like a lot of different connections 1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:26.559 and I just don't know what's going on. But July 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:29.760 two thousand, Morrison, who prosecuted the case in Kansas, added 1:27:29.800 --> 1:27:34.160 an aggravated interference with parental custody charge involving and carrying 1:27:34.160 --> 1:27:37.679 away of the baby of Tiffany's Stassy. So Tiffany, Lisa's 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:40.879 daughter from the eighties, was adopted by a Midwestern family 1:27:40.920 --> 1:27:42.920 and at the time of this article living with them, 1:27:43.360 --> 1:27:46.240 and that couple though, was Robinson's brother, so is Donald 1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:49.719 Robinson and his wife. So the police received a tip 1:27:50.000 --> 1:27:52.559 that the adoption had to do with the brother and stuff. 1:27:52.640 --> 1:27:55.599 So that's why they finally went and got DNA samples 1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:58.120 from the family and it was confirmed that the fifteen 1:27:58.200 --> 1:28:01.240 year old was Tiffany. Don't know who tipped off the 1:28:01.280 --> 1:28:04.640 police or in any way, but somebody did and it 1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:09.599 is Tiffany. So her adopted uncle and family member killed 1:28:09.640 --> 1:28:12.880 her fucking mom and gave her to the brother. So 1:28:13.000 --> 1:28:15.960 like they were at fucking family parties and hanging out, 1:28:16.000 --> 1:28:19.200 like she's this little kid hanging out with her uncle John. 1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:21.920 She didn't see him a lot because you know, they 1:28:21.920 --> 1:28:23.360 were in Illinois. 1:28:23.640 --> 1:28:25.439 But that is so fucked. 1:28:26.120 --> 1:28:28.120 She said that she didn't know the truth about John, 1:28:28.160 --> 1:28:30.120 but said she always felt weird around him, with an 1:28:30.160 --> 1:28:33.719 off putting feeling in the gut of her stomach. But John, 1:28:33.920 --> 1:28:36.240 the thing is, he brought fake documents to the couple 1:28:36.280 --> 1:28:39.000 and helped facilitate it and had a certificate of adoption, 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:40.280 but it was not a legal adoption. 1:28:41.000 --> 1:28:43.559 But he had all of this ready, so is he. 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:44.880 It's really wild. 1:28:45.360 --> 1:28:46.960 And they do believe that the brother and his wife 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:49.639 were victims of John Robinson too and were not at 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:52.559 all in on the crime. And Tiffany says that she 1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:55.439 actually remembers her mom crying when she found out, going 1:28:55.479 --> 1:28:57.559 what did John do? How could he do this to us? 1:28:58.080 --> 1:29:00.960 So it is pretty clear that they were trying to 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:03.800 have a kid and they couldn't. And I think John 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:05.400 was like, I'm going to get my brother a kid. 1:29:06.240 --> 1:29:07.519 I think that's what happened. 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:09.479 So like he thought he was doing Oh so do 1:29:09.520 --> 1:29:12.479 you think he took Lisa on purpose? For Tiffany, it 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:14.479 wasn't like oops, I killed this woman that has a kid. 1:29:14.520 --> 1:29:15.759 Now I got to get rid of the kid. 1:29:16.120 --> 1:29:18.519 No, that's why those social workers thought it was shady 1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:21.040 that right before Christmas he was looking to help single 1:29:21.080 --> 1:29:22.920 moms and like young like. 1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:28.479 Women my kids Christmas shopping for his brother. Yeah, that's 1:29:28.520 --> 1:29:31.160 what it was. That's fucked. Oh my god. 1:29:31.160 --> 1:29:32.680 So it was the guys of like, oh, I have 1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:34.680 this program and then it's like, oh, look I have 1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:35.240 this baby. 1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:36.040 Here are the forms. 1:29:36.240 --> 1:29:38.280 And then he also did take money from his brother, 1:29:38.800 --> 1:29:41.320 like his brother owed him fees for this adoption, PA, 1:29:41.560 --> 1:29:45.280 like this fake adoption that was not legal. Wow, Like 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:49.880 no basement for this guy, No, not at all. So 1:29:49.920 --> 1:29:53.599 the trials started in two thousand and two in Kansas. Morrison, 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:56.240 the prosecutor said that there was over twenty three thousand 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:58.959 pages of police reports and more than one hundred witnesses. 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:03.360 Where were those witnesses before? As just rolling the barrels around? 1:30:03.520 --> 1:30:09.400 I like, what so, Kara. They discovered eighteen hammers on 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:12.960 his property and it was concluded from the autopsies that 1:30:13.000 --> 1:30:16.200 he killed his victims with a hammer, but the technicians 1:30:16.200 --> 1:30:20.480 were not able to connect the specific hammer to the murders. 1:30:21.000 --> 1:30:24.920 Yikes, that's brutal, brutal. It took the jury less than 1:30:24.920 --> 1:30:27.559 a day to deliver a guilty verdict. On October twenty ninth, 1:30:27.640 --> 1:30:30.919 two thousand and two, he was sentenced to death. January 1:30:30.920 --> 1:30:33.799 two thousand and three, Won jurer of the death sentence, 1:30:33.840 --> 1:30:36.040 told ABC News that since he was such a good 1:30:36.120 --> 1:30:38.759 con man, like even from jail, he conned Beverly Bonner 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:41.400 and like, they were afraid to give him life because 1:30:41.439 --> 1:30:43.680 the same thing could happen, and so it was the 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:49.439 only appropriate thing was death because he, like you said, 1:30:49.439 --> 1:30:54.400 has no basement ceiling. No, Yeah, so more twists, like 1:30:54.439 --> 1:30:57.160 I said, since he committed crimes in Kansas and Missouri. 1:30:57.439 --> 1:30:59.760 Once that trial wrapped, they sent him to Missouri for 1:30:59.760 --> 1:31:02.879 an another one, and with all his scams and crimes, 1:31:02.920 --> 1:31:06.120 he played jurisdiction games, like I said, so this like 1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:08.559 screwed him, which I kind of like. In Missouri, the 1:31:08.560 --> 1:31:11.080 authorities offered him a deal where if he pled guilty 1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:13.320 and then gave infoo where the remains of the three 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:15.920 women who had not been found yet, And so the 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:20.040 plea happened and they like he like never gave any 1:31:20.120 --> 1:31:23.160 info at all, but they took so like what did 1:31:23.160 --> 1:31:23.720 they earn if? 1:31:24.000 --> 1:31:25.720 Yeah, well I give him a deal if he's not 1:31:25.760 --> 1:31:27.720 even going to give you the names or where they are. 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:31.240 But a plea deal went through and he still did 1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:31.799 not cooper. 1:31:31.880 --> 1:31:34.120 Also, he was probably like what is it? What deal 1:31:34.240 --> 1:31:36.920 could possibly be good for me? When I am already 1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:41.360 getting the death penalty in Kansas? Maybe yeah, but like 1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:43.880 Missouri can't really really threaten me now because I'm going 1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:45.479 to die in this other state. I don't know. 1:31:45.640 --> 1:31:48.960 But also like fucking I mean, we're asking someone to 1:31:49.080 --> 1:31:51.679 like not be a piece of shit when yeah, really 1:31:51.680 --> 1:31:52.320 a piece of shit. 1:31:52.560 --> 1:31:53.280 Yeah. 1:31:53.320 --> 1:31:56.080 He is now in his late seventies on death row 1:31:56.080 --> 1:32:00.240 in Kansas at the El Dorado Correctional Facility and is 1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:04.479 appealing his death sentence. Now updates on Tiffany's stassy. So 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:06.720 she was sixteen, you know, when she found out the 1:32:06.720 --> 1:32:10.519 truth about her life. So Tiffany was raised as Heather. 1:32:11.120 --> 1:32:13.479 So Heather's biological father wanted to meet her, but she 1:32:13.520 --> 1:32:15.519 was confused and scared and said she didn't want to 1:32:15.520 --> 1:32:18.160 meet him. But she did become really close to her 1:32:18.200 --> 1:32:22.280 maternal grandmother, who is Pat Sylvester, who passed away in 1:32:22.320 --> 1:32:27.120 twenty eighteen. Since the adoption was not legal, the Robinson's 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:29.920 actually legally adopted her when she was eighteen, and she 1:32:30.040 --> 1:32:32.479 decided to keep the given name that she got Heather, 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:36.720 and she liked her parents, so she stayed there. As 1:32:36.720 --> 1:32:40.120 of twenty twenty, she is thirty five. She married a 1:32:40.160 --> 1:32:43.280 man and is a proud mother of some boys. And 1:32:43.360 --> 1:32:46.639 she is also now looking to connect with her biological father, Carl. 1:32:46.760 --> 1:32:48.720 She can't find him, and she's tried really hard and 1:32:48.760 --> 1:32:50.760 wants to make amends and move forward. She just wasn't 1:32:50.800 --> 1:32:54.160 ready at the time of finding out, and she also 1:32:54.240 --> 1:32:57.720 still hoping to hopefully find Lisa's remains one day to 1:32:57.800 --> 1:32:58.880 properly bury her mother. 1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:07.519 Oh my god, that's intense. Yeah, and that is that. Yeah, 1:33:07.640 --> 1:33:11.080 that is the case of John Robinson. Oh my gosh, 1:33:11.120 --> 1:33:14.679 thank you for all of that research. I'm so surprised 1:33:14.680 --> 1:33:16.880 I haven't heard of this man, especially because I know 1:33:16.960 --> 1:33:18.960 about the barrel murders from Dexter. 1:33:19.400 --> 1:33:22.520 Yeah. I don't know why we don't know more about him, 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:27.000 because it is also like salacious, you know what I mean. Yeah, 1:33:27.040 --> 1:33:31.520 there wasn't even that much like articles about him or pieces, 1:33:31.600 --> 1:33:31.800 you know. 1:33:31.920 --> 1:33:34.280 It was just like a couple of giant newspapers. And 1:33:34.280 --> 1:33:36.160 it's like I can kind of see why someone like 1:33:36.240 --> 1:33:37.760 him would be able to get away with it in 1:33:37.800 --> 1:33:40.439 the eighties. But then it's like in the nineties, it's 1:33:40.479 --> 1:33:43.240 so funny that he like embraced technology because it's like, dude, 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:45.400 the only reason you're not busted is because there's no 1:33:45.439 --> 1:33:46.960 way to trace you. And now you're just hop you 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:49.160 have five computers now and you're just gonna let people 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:52.000 like make a full trail. But maybe people didn't really 1:33:52.040 --> 1:33:55.200 know yet, like that your computer stores everything forever. 1:33:55.600 --> 1:33:57.640 And if there's more, if you want more. There is 1:33:57.680 --> 1:34:01.160 a twenty twenty like there's a twenty twenty eight. Ooh okay, 1:34:01.400 --> 1:34:03.680 good time and they talk to Heather and stop. So 1:34:04.960 --> 1:34:07.920 he's fucked though he's probably one of the worst people 1:34:07.960 --> 1:34:12.240 we've talked about, and we talk about terrible people. Yeah, 1:34:12.800 --> 1:34:14.960 well now we you know, we do have a legend. 1:34:15.280 --> 1:34:18.200 We have a true fucking legend coming onto our show. 1:34:18.320 --> 1:34:22.639 So get your fucking panties out of a twist. Untwist 1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:32.439 those panties and get ready, guys. Today's guest has an 1:34:32.479 --> 1:34:35.760 IMDb resume like you wouldn't believe. We are talking the 1:34:35.800 --> 1:34:40.040 talented mister Ripley, snowfalling on Caesar's American Horse Story, Modern Family, 1:34:40.120 --> 1:34:42.920 and Aliza Trigger classic How to Lose a Guy in 1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:46.400 Ten Days? You guys know her today as Margaret Talmadge. 1:34:46.640 --> 1:34:50.360 Please enjoy our chat with legendary Celia Weston. 1:34:51.000 --> 1:34:52.360 Well before us. 1:34:52.400 --> 1:34:54.920 View, I do want to touch on How to Lose 1:34:54.920 --> 1:35:00.520 a Guy in Ten Days, my ultimate favorite movie, and 1:35:00.560 --> 1:35:03.679 my parents were from Russia, but we learned bullshit from 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:04.320 that movie. 1:35:04.680 --> 1:35:05.759 We play all the time. 1:35:06.200 --> 1:35:09.439 Such an iconic scene and I was wondering if there 1:35:09.439 --> 1:35:11.880 were memories if you get stopped on the street and 1:35:12.320 --> 1:35:14.719 if people think of you when they play bullshit now forever, 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:15.960 like we do as a family. 1:35:16.400 --> 1:35:20.800 Everyone knows that film. It has never not played and 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:23.759 I don't think. I don't think there's been a day 1:35:23.920 --> 1:35:26.840 since it's released that it was allowed to play on 1:35:26.920 --> 1:35:31.360 television that it hasn't. And I know I watched it 1:35:31.400 --> 1:35:33.479 this past week, you know, I can't. 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:33.960 Get enough of it. 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:37.880 But one day, some time ago now, I was going 1:35:37.920 --> 1:35:42.439 to a screening on Houston Street, the Far East theater 1:35:42.520 --> 1:35:45.759 there that has some multiplex and they have special screenings 1:35:45.800 --> 1:35:49.680 there sometimes, And as usual, I was early and I 1:35:49.720 --> 1:35:53.280 haven't looked down at the box office, and I thought 1:35:53.320 --> 1:35:57.439 I saw a familiar figure and I just kind of 1:35:58.040 --> 1:36:01.639 walked towards it, and it was Matthew mcck just deciding 1:36:01.720 --> 1:36:03.640 if he wanted to see a film. You know, he 1:36:03.720 --> 1:36:07.160 has some time to kill, and so I just walked 1:36:07.240 --> 1:36:12.400 up behind him and I said, it's your mom, and 1:36:12.520 --> 1:36:14.880 he turned around and we had a nice big hug 1:36:15.040 --> 1:36:19.680 and I said, that film, my gosh, it's just been 1:36:19.720 --> 1:36:20.879 a cash cow. 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:24.120 And he said, the gift that keeps on giving. 1:36:25.360 --> 1:36:27.519 I thought, yeah, I bet your gift package is a 1:36:27.640 --> 1:36:28.800 little bit bigger than mine. 1:36:28.840 --> 1:36:30.880 Yeah, but I'm not complaining. 1:36:32.280 --> 1:36:34.639 I love it. That's so funny. I love you going 1:36:34.720 --> 1:36:36.880 up to Matthew mcconey on the street for a hug. 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:41.479 That's so fun. And then we interviewed the actor Daniel 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:45.200 Sunjata on our podcast a few weeks ago, and he 1:36:45.400 --> 1:36:47.719 mentioned this show Echoes. And then when I was looking 1:36:47.840 --> 1:36:49.320 up what you've been up to, I saw you're going 1:36:49.400 --> 1:36:52.160 to be an Echoes and it looks amazing. What can 1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:54.000 you tell us about that project? 1:36:54.720 --> 1:36:57.120 Well, you probably know a lot more about it than 1:36:57.160 --> 1:36:59.160 I do, but I did have it in my notes 1:36:59.200 --> 1:37:00.840 because I loved doing it. 1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:02.040 I loved my part. 1:37:02.120 --> 1:37:06.760 The writing was beautiful, and we worked with women directors 1:37:06.800 --> 1:37:09.160 and I'm sorry we still have to make that distinction, 1:37:09.320 --> 1:37:14.719 but and women, I second ads and that was thrilling. 1:37:15.439 --> 1:37:19.160 The costume designer was wonderful and helped so much in 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:22.439 making distinctive my character. 1:37:22.800 --> 1:37:26.400 Because you know, I'm I'm not lit. I don't have 1:37:26.479 --> 1:37:27.600 the Internet. 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:29.960 Or mart phone, so I can't keep checking in for 1:37:30.040 --> 1:37:33.200 these things. But if you know when it's airing, tell me. 1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:35.880 Oh, we would love to know. I don't know. I'm 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:37.880 not sure, but it sounds like it's going to be 1:37:38.000 --> 1:37:41.559 one of those Netflix bingeable shows that everybody's obsessed with. 1:37:41.920 --> 1:37:43.800 To me, of course, I don't have Netflix. 1:37:44.040 --> 1:37:47.040 Yeah, well, so let me ask you. I mean, I 1:37:47.160 --> 1:37:50.080 waste most of my life on my cell phone, computer, laptop. 1:37:50.160 --> 1:37:51.280 So what are you are you reading? 1:37:51.360 --> 1:37:53.840 What do you do with your lovely days that you're 1:37:53.840 --> 1:37:55.439 not sucked in by a cell phone? 1:37:56.040 --> 1:38:01.679 Well, I text and I'm addicted to television and it's 1:38:01.720 --> 1:38:05.280 an occupational hazard, so I have no shame about it. 1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:09.240 Well, let's let's dive into your Let's dive into this 1:38:09.320 --> 1:38:12.680 episode Stolen that you are a main character in. I 1:38:12.720 --> 1:38:15.960 know it is from many many years ago, season three 1:38:16.120 --> 1:38:19.080 of SVU, so when they were a little baby show 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:22.240 before they became the juggernaut that they are now. And 1:38:22.960 --> 1:38:24.599 I don't know if you remember, but like you know, 1:38:24.720 --> 1:38:28.800 you your character Captain Cragan comes to see you after 1:38:28.840 --> 1:38:31.479 many many years of your daughter's murder case, like kind 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:34.360 of going cold. And I've never seen anybody happier to 1:38:34.360 --> 1:38:37.600 see Captain Craigan. You're like, it's Captain Craigan. I was 1:38:37.680 --> 1:38:41.360 just wondering if you liked working with Dan Fluorrek. We 1:38:41.479 --> 1:38:43.160 got to speak to him on our podcast and we 1:38:43.200 --> 1:38:45.679 love him, and we had a lot of scenes with him. 1:38:46.080 --> 1:38:49.320 Yes, I think he's very appealing. Obviously that shows from 1:38:50.040 --> 1:38:53.479 his endurance on the series. I tell you what I remember, 1:38:53.880 --> 1:38:56.880 especially was what a beautiful home we were in. And 1:38:56.920 --> 1:39:00.719 I have no idea where that is in New York? 1:39:01.000 --> 1:39:02.479 Is that does that exist? 1:39:03.400 --> 1:39:07.799 It's like a just after turn of the century, beautiful 1:39:07.920 --> 1:39:10.639 construction and craftsmanship and all these homes. 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:13.360 Do you know where we shot it? 1:39:15.360 --> 1:39:17.120 You know, they just drove me there. 1:39:17.200 --> 1:39:17.519 I know. 1:39:17.560 --> 1:39:20.439 That's what all the actors say. We're always like, where 1:39:20.439 --> 1:39:22.160 were you in that scene? And they go, we just 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:24.240 get in a van and then we're in a new place, 1:39:24.400 --> 1:39:25.040 like we don't. 1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:26.040 Know, we're in a trailer. 1:39:26.240 --> 1:39:27.200 Yeah, you know. 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:28.920 Don't call us, We'll call you. 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:33.920 And but it was beautiful and I was happy for 1:39:34.000 --> 1:39:36.639 them to at least have that having lost their daughter. 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:39.479 Yeah, that was a beautiful I. 1:39:39.439 --> 1:39:43.720 Do remember this scene, the last scene for us in 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:49.200 Captain Craigan's office, when our grandson is being introduced to 1:39:49.280 --> 1:39:54.240 us for the first time since his abduction, and we're 1:39:54.240 --> 1:39:57.200 in Craigan's office and the door open send boys brought 1:39:57.200 --> 1:40:00.360 into us, And I do remember how impactful that was. 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:02.759 And that it was short and sweet. 1:40:02.840 --> 1:40:05.160 I don't even know if we had lines, but I 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:09.479 do remember I had this amount of time to live 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:13.679 everything that she was really feeling and was gratified that 1:40:13.680 --> 1:40:14.599 that did happen. 1:40:14.960 --> 1:40:16.080 I felt as an actor. 1:40:16.640 --> 1:40:21.160 But then to see it, to see actual a real 1:40:21.840 --> 1:40:24.400 flood of actually. 1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:27.519 Dropping dripping with a like a shadow as they came 1:40:27.600 --> 1:40:31.479 down on that all right, that you know you want 1:40:31.520 --> 1:40:34.880 to have the real emotion but then also have real 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:36.639 water works with a shadow. 1:40:37.320 --> 1:40:40.559 Yeah, I was. I actually noticed that. I was. I 1:40:40.560 --> 1:40:43.080 thought that scene was so emotional and really powerful, and 1:40:43.120 --> 1:40:45.439 I was like, how did these actors get their eyes 1:40:45.479 --> 1:40:48.960 to like fill up with tears and then only let 1:40:49.040 --> 1:40:51.720 like one or two juicy tears fall like at a 1:40:51.760 --> 1:40:55.439 certain time, Like it's really it was really impressive. I 1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:57.120 don't know. Do you, like, what do you usually do? 1:40:57.120 --> 1:40:58.680 Do you are you good at crying on cue? Do 1:40:58.720 --> 1:41:01.120 you usually think of something super sad in your life? 1:41:01.240 --> 1:41:03.400 Or you know, you just live it and you have 1:41:03.479 --> 1:41:07.760 ways to get yourself there. But I do remember in 1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:12.200 working on Ang Lee's film Ride with the Devil. It 1:41:12.240 --> 1:41:15.240 was a Civil War era film and I was a 1:41:15.760 --> 1:41:17.880 widowed farm wife. 1:41:18.320 --> 1:41:20.240 I won't make you go through the whole story. 1:41:20.760 --> 1:41:26.560 But a battle between union soldiers and renegades non soldiers 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:30.599 happens in my home and there's a big shootout with 1:41:30.640 --> 1:41:34.360 my young daughter's life and jeopardy and mine, And so 1:41:35.920 --> 1:41:39.719 I remember aang asking me, you know, I was crying 1:41:39.800 --> 1:41:43.320 because of the circumstances, but I remember him asking me 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:48.120 for a tear on on like a word, and while 1:41:48.720 --> 1:41:51.439 I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna do this shucker, And 1:41:51.520 --> 1:41:55.439 I did. And they didn't use that shot in the 1:41:55.479 --> 1:41:58.360 scene at all, but no, I know, but you know, 1:41:58.520 --> 1:42:00.599 I was glad I could deliver the goods. 1:42:01.560 --> 1:42:04.400 Well, back to SVU, do you have an opinion on 1:42:04.520 --> 1:42:06.680 what should have happened to your grandson? 1:42:07.760 --> 1:42:08.599 What did happen? 1:42:09.720 --> 1:42:10.800 They sent him with his. 1:42:10.840 --> 1:42:14.760 Biological father d Yeah, we didn't know about or the 1:42:14.840 --> 1:42:17.360 biological dad didn't know he existed. So they took him 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:21.080 from his adoptive parents and gave him to the biological 1:42:21.200 --> 1:42:23.680 dat And we were pissed. 1:42:25.040 --> 1:42:25.719 I see that. 1:42:28.160 --> 1:42:30.719 I guess we just felt just knowing he was alive 1:42:30.800 --> 1:42:34.600 and could be in our lives somehow was what my 1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:39.160 takeaway on it. So and then best and those I 1:42:39.400 --> 1:42:42.679 do remember being in the court scene because I remember 1:42:42.760 --> 1:42:45.840 Stephanie Marsh coming over and introducing herself to me. We 1:42:45.880 --> 1:42:48.559 didn't have anything to do but reaction shots in the gallery, 1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:51.160 you know, in the court scene. But she came over 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:54.960 and introduced herself, and I thought she was just charming. 1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:56.599 I'm sorry, that's all. 1:42:56.479 --> 1:43:00.800 I took away from No, that's totally fine. We were 1:43:00.880 --> 1:43:05.040 just like, let him visit his grandparents and let him 1:43:05.040 --> 1:43:07.360 stay with his adopted parents. We had lots of thoughts, 1:43:07.400 --> 1:43:09.960 you know, but that's our job. And have you always 1:43:10.040 --> 1:43:15.320 lived in New York, well, bless your hearts as Southern gal. 1:43:16.560 --> 1:43:19.559 No, I've been here since drama school, since college. 1:43:20.080 --> 1:43:23.320 Do you tend to just book a lot of Southern roles, 1:43:23.320 --> 1:43:26.240 because I mean, I'm sure you have, like you've gone 1:43:26.280 --> 1:43:28.639 to drama school. I'm sure you can like hide your accent. 1:43:28.720 --> 1:43:31.080 But do you think it's just like something about you 1:43:31.080 --> 1:43:33.840 you just book all these roles as a Southern lady or. 1:43:34.439 --> 1:43:37.200 I know that I bring an authenticity to it, and 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:41.840 I take a lot of pride in that, because there's 1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:46.400 nothing more heinous to a Southerner than the lack of. 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:49.640 That and rendering a Southern persona. 1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:54.320 And I have a very good ear so I'm happy 1:43:54.320 --> 1:43:58.760 to be able to delineate pretty specifically between who's from 1:43:58.800 --> 1:44:03.800 where and they're level of education, their economics of their 1:44:03.840 --> 1:44:06.960 lives and things like that. It always just depends on 1:44:07.000 --> 1:44:09.600 the writing, you know, and the role as you guys know, 1:44:09.760 --> 1:44:11.000 That's what draw. 1:44:10.920 --> 1:44:12.720 Is one of my big story. 1:44:12.720 --> 1:44:15.599 I was gonna tell you to tell Celia about seeing 1:44:15.680 --> 1:44:16.840 Palms in the movie theater. 1:44:17.400 --> 1:44:21.000 Oh yes, I saw Poems in the movie theater with 1:44:21.080 --> 1:44:24.439 my new baby, Like I had like a two month 1:44:24.439 --> 1:44:26.760 old baby with me, and I took her to see 1:44:26.760 --> 1:44:29.680 Palms with some friends, and I just like loved that 1:44:29.800 --> 1:44:32.040 movie so much, and I guess I kind of wanted 1:44:32.040 --> 1:44:34.840 to know what it sounds like. You really appreciated the 1:44:34.880 --> 1:44:37.439 experience on echoes of having all these female directors, and 1:44:37.439 --> 1:44:39.800 I was wondering, like about your experience on Palms with 1:44:39.880 --> 1:44:44.120 this like powerhouse of actresses and a mostly female cast. 1:44:44.680 --> 1:44:47.280 Oh yes, it was wonderful. It's a third film I've 1:44:47.320 --> 1:44:48.519 done with Diane Keaton. 1:44:49.520 --> 1:44:53.960 On the other two she directed, and I just admired 1:44:54.040 --> 1:44:57.680 her so much. Of course, the location was outside of Atlanta, 1:44:57.760 --> 1:45:00.439 and it was incumbent upon us to make out a 1:45:00.439 --> 1:45:01.160 Southern character. 1:45:01.200 --> 1:45:02.960 But I love that. 1:45:03.280 --> 1:45:06.880 I mean, I knew that woman like mother's milk, you 1:45:06.960 --> 1:45:12.480 know that all of this superficiality of being so welcoming 1:45:12.520 --> 1:45:16.120 and gracious and yet underneath just this is my world 1:45:16.200 --> 1:45:20.840 and you're just maybe in it, but conscribe or get out, 1:45:22.120 --> 1:45:27.560 all couched in that solemn nicety and welcoming. 1:45:29.200 --> 1:45:31.120 So I loved that role that I got to be 1:45:31.200 --> 1:45:31.719 the villain. 1:45:33.160 --> 1:45:36.760 I was wondering, You've played so many characters in so 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:39.400 many different roles. Is there is there ever like a 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:42.240 Is there ever like a role that you're like, well, 1:45:42.240 --> 1:45:44.200 I wish I got cast as that like a like 1:45:44.479 --> 1:45:45.639 something you're dying to play. 1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:49.600 Oh my gosh, let's start over and just talk about that. 1:45:50.960 --> 1:45:56.920 It's a cruel world. Yes, that has definitely happened. And 1:45:57.000 --> 1:45:57.519 I've had. 1:45:57.439 --> 1:46:02.639 Letters, you know, more than one actually from directors after 1:46:03.479 --> 1:46:06.000 did something did not go my way saying, you know, 1:46:06.880 --> 1:46:08.799 maybe we should have done this together. 1:46:09.200 --> 1:46:12.240 Ooh, like letters of regret. That must feel good. 1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:13.760 I'm saying, that must go good. 1:46:13.880 --> 1:46:14.719 Yeah, it does. 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:17.320 I mean it's not like I have thirty on a 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:21.880 wall somewhere, but when it happens, you go, well, yeah, 1:46:21.920 --> 1:46:22.280 me too. 1:46:22.400 --> 1:46:26.720 By way, if you came back to a law and 1:46:26.840 --> 1:46:30.160 order franchise or you know, specifically s view would you 1:46:30.160 --> 1:46:32.120 what kind of character would you like to play? 1:46:32.360 --> 1:46:33.320 Have you played a killer? 1:46:33.880 --> 1:46:35.000 Have I played a killer? 1:46:35.080 --> 1:46:38.160 We need you back as like, oh killer, No one 1:46:38.160 --> 1:46:39.919 would suspect are you gay? 1:46:40.880 --> 1:46:41.920 Oh my gosh. 1:46:42.040 --> 1:46:46.679 I probably have to play it in a caller here 1:46:46.760 --> 1:46:52.400 and embraces and canes, just to do the actually take 1:46:52.439 --> 1:46:56.120 a person out without if it's just mashing some pills 1:46:56.120 --> 1:46:57.360 and putting it in a drink. 1:46:58.000 --> 1:46:59.160 Yeah, I think I could do that. 1:46:59.280 --> 1:47:01.559 Oh yeah, I mean they don't. They don't show a 1:47:01.600 --> 1:47:03.880 lot of murders in action on us. For you, we 1:47:04.000 --> 1:47:06.600 usually just find a body, you know, that's true. So 1:47:06.760 --> 1:47:07.960 I think we could easily. 1:47:09.040 --> 1:47:09.200 Yeah. 1:47:09.240 --> 1:47:12.320 I can imagine telling detectives like please leave my house 1:47:12.320 --> 1:47:14.719 without a warrant, you know, family. 1:47:14.840 --> 1:47:18.439 I can see that in my fantasy. This has been 1:47:18.560 --> 1:47:20.640 so wonderful. I don't know if you have anything like 1:47:20.720 --> 1:47:23.880 to add about, you know, an interaction with iced tea 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:27.040 or something, but you don't. You don't have to if 1:47:27.080 --> 1:47:27.400 you don't. 1:47:27.840 --> 1:47:31.040 We had so little interaction with the actual cast. You 1:47:31.080 --> 1:47:34.240 know just what I said, because Dan Floord came to 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:39.559 our house and then we're in the courtroom as supernumeraries 1:47:39.760 --> 1:47:44.200 and with cutting to reaction shots. We weren't ever you know, 1:47:44.280 --> 1:47:48.599 being interrogated in a room or those juicy things and 1:47:48.640 --> 1:47:52.599 where they're trying to get our fingerprints on a coke 1:47:52.720 --> 1:47:54.280 can or that stuff. 1:47:55.400 --> 1:47:57.400 Get to do that, didn't get a coke out of it? 1:47:57.640 --> 1:48:01.679 No, no, yeah, we need you back on the show. 1:48:02.000 --> 1:48:04.160 That'll be my request. 1:48:08.600 --> 1:48:09.479 What an icon. 1:48:09.760 --> 1:48:13.160 And obviously love a lady that stays in New York, 1:48:13.720 --> 1:48:16.240 Like I feel like all the coolest actresses we talked 1:48:16.320 --> 1:48:17.240 to are always like. 1:48:17.600 --> 1:48:20.960 She's just like a Southern actress, like swishing around New 1:48:21.040 --> 1:48:24.680 York being like hello, Matthew McConaughey, it's mega mama. I 1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:25.200 love that. 1:48:25.520 --> 1:48:28.280 Like, yeah, so accomplished. We really get to talk to 1:48:28.320 --> 1:48:30.240 the best. I was watching Old Drag Race, like I 1:48:30.240 --> 1:48:33.200 set up top and like Dennis O'Hare was a judge, 1:48:33.240 --> 1:48:34.639 and I'm like, we fucking talked to him. 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:37.720 Yeah, it's kind of wild, yeah, yeah yeah. 1:48:37.760 --> 1:48:40.360 And then our friend Joel Kinbooster was like, oh, I'm 1:48:40.400 --> 1:48:42.599 shocked that you were able to get him, and I'm like, honey, 1:48:42.640 --> 1:48:45.960 have you seen who else we get Dennis o hair 1:48:46.000 --> 1:48:47.920 should be so lucky. 1:48:48.040 --> 1:48:51.280 No, we loved him. Oh my god, he was a dream. 1:48:51.640 --> 1:48:54.639 This was a twisted one. Yeah, the real life case 1:48:54.720 --> 1:48:57.840 was super twisted. The case in the episode was just 1:48:57.920 --> 1:49:01.559 kind of one of those classic SVU like more like 1:49:02.000 --> 1:49:04.920 morality quandaries that they give you, like what's the right 1:49:05.000 --> 1:49:07.479 move here? You know, I didn't really think what happened 1:49:07.479 --> 1:49:09.280 in the episode was the right move, but whatever. 1:49:09.880 --> 1:49:09.960 No. 1:49:10.280 --> 1:49:13.000 I but yeah, they should have given the boys. 1:49:13.479 --> 1:49:15.160 They should He should have been able to stay with 1:49:15.200 --> 1:49:19.120 his adoptive family and just like visit his highlation. Yeah, 1:49:19.160 --> 1:49:20.960 and then he could have like a big fun family. 1:49:21.040 --> 1:49:22.960 But like what the fuck just being like nope, you're 1:49:23.040 --> 1:49:25.519 out of there. I hate that dad, and I only 1:49:25.520 --> 1:49:27.000 think of him as the sex and the city guy 1:49:27.000 --> 1:49:28.680 who likes to be spanked, so I can't even take 1:49:28.760 --> 1:49:31.479 him seriously as a father. I'm like, go home and 1:49:31.479 --> 1:49:36.200 watch your sick o porn, sir. But yeah, the crime 1:49:36.400 --> 1:49:37.120 was upsetting. 1:49:37.840 --> 1:49:41.680 Yeah, I mean these kind of crimes I feel like, 1:49:41.760 --> 1:49:44.519 don't really happen anymore where someone like is able to 1:49:44.560 --> 1:49:48.320 go untraced, like luring people across the country because like 1:49:48.360 --> 1:49:50.400 they I mean, he started to have like email, right, 1:49:50.400 --> 1:49:51.719 and that's kind of how he got busted. 1:49:52.080 --> 1:49:55.000 Yeah, and also and it's also twisted and you I 1:49:55.000 --> 1:49:58.519 think you do jokes about this right about like said 1:49:58.560 --> 1:50:01.439 Bundy having a girlfriend, Yeah, quiet girl, Like I also 1:50:01.560 --> 1:50:03.759 this man had a wife as he's just like luring 1:50:03.760 --> 1:50:04.799 women to their deaths. 1:50:05.040 --> 1:50:07.799 I mean, Fritzel had his own daughter in the basement 1:50:07.880 --> 1:50:09.840 and his mom and his wife had no idea her 1:50:09.840 --> 1:50:13.760 mom like it's it's really I wonder if it's like 1:50:14.880 --> 1:50:17.000 they know but they can't face it, or they really 1:50:17.000 --> 1:50:19.200 don't know. I mean, like when you hear the Green 1:50:19.280 --> 1:50:21.720 River killer's wife talk about him, she's like he was 1:50:21.760 --> 1:50:25.360 a perfect husband. And this man murdered. I think he's 1:50:25.520 --> 1:50:27.280 one of the most prolific serial killers of all time. 1:50:27.320 --> 1:50:31.920 He murdered like upwards of fifty women and mostly sex workers, 1:50:32.160 --> 1:50:35.040 and he just had this wife who was like, he 1:50:35.120 --> 1:50:37.360 was the best husband. And actually when he was married 1:50:37.360 --> 1:50:41.080 to her, the killings went down. I don't know, I 1:50:41.160 --> 1:50:43.760 don't know. That's fucked, Like it. 1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:46.080 Is fucked, and that he is not more known, like 1:50:46.160 --> 1:50:48.000 the fact we didn't know more about him when he 1:50:48.080 --> 1:50:50.679 like inspired Dexter episodes too. 1:50:51.120 --> 1:50:54.439 Yeah, with all these yeah, how some of these things. 1:50:54.520 --> 1:50:58.120 It's it's interesting because It's like it's like how we 1:50:58.200 --> 1:51:01.680 talked about how the the shark eyed guy who kill 1:51:01.720 --> 1:51:04.040 all all his kids, Like I forgot the name of 1:51:04.120 --> 1:51:08.040 that Wes Marcus Weston, Like that was buried by the 1:51:08.040 --> 1:51:10.560 the case of Scott Peterson, or like right now, I 1:51:10.600 --> 1:51:12.559 feel like the only reason we're paying attention to Amberherd 1:51:12.560 --> 1:51:14.880 and Johnny Depp is because there's like not really anything else. 1:51:15.120 --> 1:51:16.920 There's like nothing else going on in the news to 1:51:17.000 --> 1:51:20.479 like rival it that. You know that, So there's just 1:51:20.520 --> 1:51:23.920 these certain crimes that dip like that pediatrician that molested 1:51:23.960 --> 1:51:26.000 all those children. Why is that not Why is that 1:51:26.040 --> 1:51:29.080 not something we all know about? You know, Like it's crazy, 1:51:29.160 --> 1:51:31.760 like you're looking up that shit in like Delaware newspapers 1:51:31.760 --> 1:51:34.479 that that's it. Like it's crazy what gets national attention, 1:51:34.560 --> 1:51:35.080 is all I'm saying. 1:51:35.160 --> 1:51:38.240 Yeah, Well, after talking about Dexter, I was like, wait, 1:51:38.320 --> 1:51:40.799 are we promised to season two for New Blood? 1:51:40.800 --> 1:51:44.120 And I don't think we are. I think that they'll 1:51:44.160 --> 1:51:45.120 do it right. 1:51:45.439 --> 1:51:48.439 I want it. I want some ghost stuff. I want it. 1:51:48.840 --> 1:51:50.640 I just want Michael Seahall working, you know. 1:51:50.720 --> 1:51:53.040 I beg him. I believe in his talent, and I 1:51:53.200 --> 1:51:55.160 just I want him really well, and that could be 1:51:55.200 --> 1:51:56.720 part of the problem is he might have something else 1:51:56.760 --> 1:51:58.880 going on. I mean, it's kind of hit it hinges 1:51:58.880 --> 1:51:59.240 on him. 1:52:00.200 --> 1:52:00.840 You don't think that. 1:52:00.800 --> 1:52:03.519 There's a possible like HBO show in development with that 1:52:03.520 --> 1:52:05.920 guy now, because I would have known about it. I'm 1:52:05.920 --> 1:52:09.000 a big fan. Okay, she's just got Google alerts for 1:52:09.080 --> 1:52:09.760 Michael C. Hall. 1:52:10.600 --> 1:52:12.040 No, I'm gonna look it up right now if he 1:52:12.080 --> 1:52:14.800 has anything in pre production. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, 1:52:14.880 --> 1:52:16.800 but I feel like I would have known if he 1:52:16.840 --> 1:52:22.280 has an upcoming project, yeah, upcoming projects one? All right, 1:52:22.880 --> 1:52:27.160 he's in the Gettysburg address. Okay, maybe that was about 1:52:27.200 --> 1:52:30.240 Lincoln's getty Burgh. Okay, so he's in something not interesting 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:34.240 that sucks. Oh, Jason Alexander's in it. Good for him. 1:52:36.000 --> 1:52:40.280 It's just like a historical movie starring a bunch of 1:52:40.280 --> 1:52:42.759 people that we consider to be washed up. I guess. Okay, 1:52:43.960 --> 1:52:46.360 let's see. So I don't know what we've learned from 1:52:46.400 --> 1:52:49.479 this episode is you should let twelve year olds decide 1:52:49.479 --> 1:52:53.480 if they want to live with their fucking mom's murderers 1:52:53.520 --> 1:52:56.759 sons or not, and also wear a condom. 1:52:56.840 --> 1:53:01.800 You fucking loose dicked lunatics in college, pericondom abortions about 1:53:01.800 --> 1:53:03.880 to be illegal, stop willing ill Yeah. 1:53:03.920 --> 1:53:05.920 Actually, so there's someone who's. 1:53:05.640 --> 1:53:08.320 Been really trying hard to lure me on Instagram, and 1:53:08.360 --> 1:53:10.360 I had a couple of drunk nights in Finland that 1:53:10.439 --> 1:53:13.240 I was like, all right, I'll talk to you. But 1:53:13.800 --> 1:53:16.120 and I've complained about this in the past, the like 1:53:16.320 --> 1:53:20.439 quickness that people want to come inside strangers is shocking 1:53:20.520 --> 1:53:24.080 to me, even like on tender like third messages are 1:53:24.120 --> 1:53:25.880 like can I come inside you? And it's like you 1:53:25.920 --> 1:53:28.120 don't even know my last name. That's insane to me. Yeah, 1:53:28.160 --> 1:53:31.080 that's insane. That's insane that you're with message that you're 1:53:31.120 --> 1:53:33.320 willing to just like jizz so freely. Yeah, maybe I 1:53:33.320 --> 1:53:38.400 could take some screenshots. Wow, I just don't understand it. 1:53:38.720 --> 1:53:41.320 I just don't understand if the risk involved is really 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:45.120 worth it to stop jizzing in people, stop being loose 1:53:45.160 --> 1:53:49.280 in college, take responsibility. Yeah, stop marrying women that are 1:53:49.320 --> 1:53:50.120 clear killers. 1:53:50.280 --> 1:53:54.120 I mean, yeah, be sexually free, but don't you know, 1:53:54.760 --> 1:53:58.760 don't fucking uh. And also yeah, I don't know. I 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:01.120 feel like this taught me like a little bit more 1:54:01.160 --> 1:54:04.400 about the adoption process and how difficult it is, which 1:54:04.439 --> 1:54:07.040 actually leads us into what would sister peg do? Oh wow, 1:54:07.080 --> 1:54:08.840 look at you. Well, I really didn't even mean to 1:54:08.880 --> 1:54:11.040 do that, but I know, but that was impressive. You 1:54:12.439 --> 1:54:15.320 could be on the view honestly with that kind of transition. 1:54:17.160 --> 1:54:18.080 Have you better watch it? 1:54:18.640 --> 1:54:20.559 Oh my god, we haven't seen each other forever. Megan 1:54:20.640 --> 1:54:23.360 McCain's book was such a flop. That flop, bitch, I 1:54:23.479 --> 1:54:25.800 was so funny you saw about this. She sold three 1:54:25.840 --> 1:54:29.639 hundred and twenty two copies of the book like lejo yes, 1:54:29.760 --> 1:54:32.160 And so then she went to her dad's grave and 1:54:32.160 --> 1:54:34.080 put the book in front of his grave to help 1:54:34.120 --> 1:54:36.680 try to sell it. And then I saw a clip 1:54:36.720 --> 1:54:40.200 online that I reposted that was like someone cut all 1:54:40.240 --> 1:54:43.440 of the time. She goes my father, my father, my father, 1:54:43.720 --> 1:54:45.560 my father, And it was over six minutes long. 1:54:45.720 --> 1:54:49.720 Like everything is on the back of her father, of 1:54:49.760 --> 1:54:51.960 her living off of John McCain's name. 1:54:52.000 --> 1:54:52.280 Wow. 1:54:52.280 --> 1:54:53.000 And I don't even know. 1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:55.480 If he was that well liked. It's like, you're moderately liked. 1:54:55.520 --> 1:54:57.040 Father is who you're name dropping. 1:54:57.160 --> 1:55:00.360 I don't like Lisa, that is a floppy yaw. Oh nah, 1:55:00.680 --> 1:55:03.160 Like I could sell three hundred books. 1:55:03.520 --> 1:55:07.480 Oh yeah, I mean just your summer camp friends alone. Yeah, yeah, 1:55:07.520 --> 1:55:09.400 you'd be able to sell a thousand books. 1:55:09.840 --> 1:55:14.160 Well, and our listeners, my summer camp friends, my mom group, yeah, like, 1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:15.960 and then I take it to the That's messed up people. 1:55:15.960 --> 1:55:18.120 I bet you guys buy a few copies. I don't know, like, 1:55:18.240 --> 1:55:22.880 but that's wow. Well listen three, I'm actually going to 1:55:22.960 --> 1:55:25.720 talk about a book that you should Actually this isn't 1:55:25.720 --> 1:55:27.520 a book, never mine. I'm going to talk about an 1:55:27.600 --> 1:55:30.160 article that you should read, not a book. Are what 1:55:30.160 --> 1:55:32.880 would Sister Peg do? Segment? Guys, this is every week 1:55:32.920 --> 1:55:36.000 we tell you an organization, we point you to an article, 1:55:36.000 --> 1:55:38.200 a book, some kind of resource that can help flesh 1:55:38.240 --> 1:55:40.760 out what we talked about on today's episode, and we 1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:42.720 wanted to point you towards this article that's called This 1:55:42.800 --> 1:55:45.760 is What Nobody Tells You About Adoption by Andrea Ross. 1:55:46.240 --> 1:55:48.640 It was for the Huffington Post and as an adopted 1:55:48.720 --> 1:55:51.120 child herself, Ross discusses the types of trauma that a 1:55:51.200 --> 1:55:54.040 child can experience when their adoptive parents don't have the 1:55:54.040 --> 1:55:56.320 tools to help them navigate not only the life they 1:55:56.400 --> 1:55:59.560 brought into, but the questions surrounding their heritage, and she 1:55:59.640 --> 1:56:02.440 wants to to reframe the narrative around adoption, which has 1:56:02.520 --> 1:56:06.080 also been centered around a harmful myth that children have 1:56:06.160 --> 1:56:10.120 been like quote unquote rescued or saved, and offer a 1:56:10.120 --> 1:56:12.240 more nuanced perspective that can be helpful for those who 1:56:12.280 --> 1:56:14.120 are raising adopted children. And I have friends who are 1:56:14.160 --> 1:56:15.760 in that process right now, so I know that this 1:56:16.080 --> 1:56:19.160 affects a lot of people, and it's really oh, it's 1:56:19.200 --> 1:56:20.760 like very heavy on a lot of sides, and I 1:56:20.800 --> 1:56:23.880 think this is a great article that will give you 1:56:23.920 --> 1:56:26.400 more infos. So it is in our show notes. I 1:56:26.400 --> 1:56:27.880 can't really read it out to you right now because 1:56:27.920 --> 1:56:30.160 it involves a lot of backslashes and numbers, but check 1:56:30.160 --> 1:56:31.640 out our show notes for a link to that, and 1:56:31.720 --> 1:56:35.480 as always in our Instagram stories called WWSPD. 1:56:36.240 --> 1:56:39.200 Yeah, thank you all for always getting involved and learning 1:56:39.240 --> 1:56:43.120 about things. 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