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Speaker 2: Now, release slowly again, deep in heale, hold release, repeating

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Speaker 2: internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I

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Speaker 2: am deeply well. I I am deeply well. I am

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Speaker 2: deeply wow.

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Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown. And this is the Deeply Well Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on

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Speaker 3: your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative,

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Speaker 3: and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care.

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Speaker 3: This is where we heal, this is where we transcend.

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Speaker 4: In today's episode, I am so excited.

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Speaker 3: Well. First things first, Hey, y'all, it's Debbie, Debbie Brown.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here with you. And if

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Speaker 3: you're watching on YouTube, you kind of see me in

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Speaker 3: my very stylish, humongous sling across my arm. So I

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Speaker 3: will have some updates for you on some of those

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Speaker 3: things that are happening with me very very soon.

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Speaker 4: But I am so excited to have you back here,

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Speaker 4: and I'm just.

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Speaker 1: So excited for this episode.

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Speaker 3: We are really climbing into some new terrain in this episode,

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Speaker 3: and I am joined by a very dear friend, and

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Speaker 3: I think that the timing couldn't be more perfect.

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Speaker 4: So, without further ado, I would love today.

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Speaker 3: To share with you that I am having a special

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Speaker 3: my dear friend, Lee Harris. Lee is a globally acclaimed

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Speaker 3: energy intuitive channeler, author and musician. His grounded practical teachings

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Speaker 3: is the author of The Future Human and several other titles.

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Speaker 3: He leads a vibrant online community that reaches one million

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Speaker 3: aspects of living, loving, and awakening. His new book was

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Speaker 3: of Living and Being on Earth by Lee Harris and

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Speaker 3: Regina Meredith. This book presents a series of profound conversation

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Speaker 3: Through her insightful and thought provoking questions, Regina draws out

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Speaker 3: illuminating and inspiring perspectives on the evolution of the human mind, body,

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Speaker 4: Welcome to this show.

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Speaker 5: Lead good friend, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: So happy to have you here. And you just you've

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Speaker 3: been on a whirlwind. You have been touring all over

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Speaker 5: I'm good, Actually, I'm good. It's been a big year.

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Speaker 5: But it's I had this really strong feeling that it

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Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, I have so many questions

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Speaker 5: So spiritually, if I look at it through a spiritual

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Speaker 3: And I do feel I feel so prepared.

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Speaker 3: Well, your most recent book, The Future Human, which you

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Speaker 5: We're just in a different position, in a different vantage point.

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00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 5: It's our job to give you our advantage point when

440
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 5: you want it, and it's your job to take that

441
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 5: advantage point and see how much of that advantage point

442
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 5: you and all your fellow brothers and sisters here are

443
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 5: capable of embodying on Earth, breaking out of some of

444
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 5: the chains that we've been in, or some of the

445
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 5: false beliefs we've been given that keep us small and

446
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 5: that keep us restricted. So, yeah, that's that's the best

447
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 5: way I guess I could describe who they have told

448
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 5: me that they are. And then over the years there's

449
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 5: been lots of details, particularly in the conversations with disease books,

450
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 5: they go into some of the details of why I

451
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 5: have an alignment with them, who they've been, all of

452
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 5: that stuff, and I don't remember a lot of it,

453
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 5: to be honest, because I don't retain I don't retain

454
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 5: the channeled information unless I retain certain principles and certain themes,

455
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 5: but don't. I don't remember sentences or paragraphs or Yeah.

456
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Speaker 4: I love that.

457
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: I really love that you said that we can over

458
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: kind of what was the term you like da tofy, Yeah, like, yeah,

459
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: when we're in communion with spirit or in communion with

460
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: guides or ancestors sometimes, Yeah, I've never heard anyone say that,

461
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: but I witness it a lot. Whereas when I'm in

462
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: communication it really does feel like collaborative process and not

463
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: so much like you're speaking to me. Okay, And this

464
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: is what makes me worthy is that I'm hearing the thing.

465
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 3: That's how it comes across sometimes.

466
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 5: And I don't know where that came from, Debbie, because

467
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 5: you know, I think because of doing this work now

468
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 5: since my late twenties, I was a massive self growth

469
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 5: and spirituality student, Like from the age of sixteen. That

470
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 5: was where my passion went, and I was studying and

471
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 5: I was learning, but I didn't It was only when

472
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 5: I started teaching that I would see this kind of

473
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 5: phenomenon of people giving their power away, either to me

474
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 5: or to disease, and I would be Oh, I was

475
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 5: a little confused by it, and I thought, well, what

476
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 5: is this phenomenon? And I think it's a couple of

477
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 5: couple of reasons I've come up with, and I'm sure

478
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 5: there are many reasons. There's always many reasons. One I

479
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 5: think is religious programming. I think we all grew up

480
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 5: with this idea of you know, God and Jesus are

481
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 5: here and we are down here, and we have this

482
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 5: separate and I never quite felt the truth of that,

483
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: and I never felt God or Jesus would want that

484
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: for us. I felt like that was a man made

485
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: construction and set of rules, which you know, it's There

486
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 5: are many people who've said that before there was government,

487
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 5: there was church, and that church was often used to

488
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 5: control people, which is a shame because it takes away

489
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 5: the beautiful essence of so many of those teachings and

490
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 5: those energies and what they really truly stand for. So

491
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 5: I think that's part one, and then I think part

492
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 5: two is for those of us, myself included, who weren't

493
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 5: raised with spirituality, we go into a world that we

494
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 5: think we know nothing about, and we've been trained to

495
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 5: trust the teacher or the authority figure. So at first

496
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 5: we come in and we're like, well, I know nothing,

497
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 5: so I'm just going to absolutely believe everything you say.

498
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 5: And I think that's why so many of us have

499
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 5: those dodgy experiences with healers that we need to have.

500
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: Along the way.

501
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 5: You're you're like, what the hell just happened to me

502
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 5: at this reiki healer's house. And it's not that reiki

503
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 5: is the problem. It's that you got with a healer

504
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 5: who isn't very aligned with you, or is just not

505
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 5: very aligned in their work.

506
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 4: I doubt yourself.

507
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 5: Because you don't quite You've not got to the point

508
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 5: of recognizing that everything is human too. And I think

509
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 5: that was a big teaching for me, meeting a few

510
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 5: spiritual teachers who really disappointed me in the early years.

511
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 5: You know, people who'd written some of my most beloved books,

512
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 5: and then I would see the way they spoke to

513
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 5: people backstage, and I'd be like, how are these two

514
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 5: things together? So you know, our humanity is always in us,

515
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 5: but so too is our spirituality. And I think luckily

516
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 5: more kids are being raised these days with people holding

517
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 5: space for them to explore their spirit and explore their soul.

518
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 5: But in my generation that wasn't really there. It was

519
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 5: a very rule based society. And so I think when

520
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 5: you then go into spirituality, you give your power away

521
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 5: because you think, well, I know nothing right, so I'll

522
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 5: just believe whatever I'm told. And I think that's where

523
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 5: some of the guru culture can come in. And some

524
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 5: people need a guru because it's what they want, that

525
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: level of codependent relationship, and that maybe is the best

526
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 5: thing for them, but it doesn't work for everybody. We're

527
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 5: all different.

528
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Speaker 4: This conversation is not at all going where I thought

529
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: it would go.

530
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: And I'm so excited and thrilled about this because what

531
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: everything that you just said is so important to say.

532
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: I think now more than ever, it's something I think

533
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: and say or try to address on this show, and

534
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: it's it's so it's just cannot be over said. It's

535
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: so real and it's funny. It resonates in so many

536
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: ways with what you're saying. But one of the ways

537
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: it's it's it has come to me personally. That is

538
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: always so interesting to me. And I'm so curious about

539
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: your experience because your community especially is just so global

540
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: and so vast. People get upset with me. Sometimes in

541
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: my life, I've had the experience that I don't act

542
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: above and it is the strangest, most confusing experience when

543
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: people are projecting on you that they want you to

544
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: be their authority figure, and or then you'll get things

545
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: of like oh, you're so humble, or you're so this.

546
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: It's like, no, I just that's not a responsibility. I'm

547
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 3: here to fulfill. I don't want to be anyone's authority figure.

548
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to be in codependence. I want to

549
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: do my work. I want to share my work, and

550
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: if my work touches you, I pray that you use

551
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: it in the way that's necessary and useful and you

552
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: create your work. But this idea, I think, I think

553
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: that is something that is so deeply human and so prevalent,

554
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: and that many people don't fully understand how they'll trade

555
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: the codependence with their family or the co dependence with

556
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: their relationship to now have codependence with quote unquote spiritual

557
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: community or religious community, or have codependence with the person

558
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: that you're obsessed with on Instagram or YouTube, or the

559
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: person that you know you go to their events or

560
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: their retreats or they'ir this, And it's like, we're all

561
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: missing the point if we allow that. As a teacher,

562
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: you're missing the point and you are feeding ego if

563
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: you allow that, if you allow people to put you

564
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: in that position and you start to play that role,

565
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: and you're missing the point, if you're connecting to the work,

566
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: because it's always about how do you bring God back

567
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: inside of your own body? How do you bring God

568
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: back inside of your own life. I am not here

569
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: to be a shepherd. I'm here to create and to

570
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: be love and to live my integrity, to be an example, surely,

571
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: but not to be everyone's parent and everyone's permission and

572
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: giver or everyone's you know, reflection for the way they need.

573
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: To be seen.

574
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: And I think that's just important and for anyone listening,

575
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: you know, if you are in the place where you

576
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: are really.

577
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: Needing that from someone.

578
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: I think that's okay to be in a season of that,

579
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: but recognize, you know, you're in a season where you

580
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: might you might feel like you want an example of

581
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: better parenting that perhaps you didn't receive, or a better

582
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: experience of someone. But the work is incomplete until you're

583
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: in sovereignty, until you have opened your connection to the

584
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: divine and are able to trust yourself and your choices.

585
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 5: Beautifully said yeah, Beautifully said, yeah. I mean lots of

586
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 5: things you said ping for me in my in my

587
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 5: own life experience. And I think I'll go back a

588
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 5: little bit when I first because because channeling wasn't something

589
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 5: I was a fan of, and it wasn't something I

590
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 5: was looking to do. I loved self growth. That was

591
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 5: my jam, you know, And so channeling to me was

592
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 5: something I thought was a little odd, if I'm honest,

593
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 5: And then when it happened to me, I didn't find

594
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 5: it odd that it had happened to me at all,

595
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 5: but I found I was like, Oh God, how's this

596
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 5: going to go if I'm public about this? How many

597
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 5: people are going to disconnect from me because of this?

598
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 5: How many people are going to judge me? And it

599
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 5: did happen. I lost a few friends, you know, who

600
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 5: were like friends who I couldn't understand why this new

601
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: thing that I was doing was so challenging for them.

602
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 5: But when I went into the channeling world and I

603
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 5: was taken to a few different channeling conferences as a speaker,

604
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 5: I was shocked how many people were how do I

605
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 5: put it? It felt like they were feeding on the

606
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 5: good vibrations from the channel and then they'd go away

607
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 5: and they'd need to come back again a week later

608
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 5: to feed again because they weren't taking any actual nutrition

609
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 5: from it. They weren't taking them nutrition into their body

610
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 5: and letting it push into the part of them that

611
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 5: maybe needed to look at their codependency instead. This became

612
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 5: the new codependent relationship. This is how I feel good.

613
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 5: It almost became like a drug for some people. And

614
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 5: I would see that and I would think, oh, I mean,

615
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 5: there is definitely a feeling of expansiveness that comes from channeling,

616
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 5: but if you're if you're using it right, you'll get

617
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 5: that at first. But then it will ask you to

618
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 5: look at some areas in your life, or it will

619
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 5: put a few things in front of you that you

620
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 5: can then tweak and refine, And so I think the

621
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 5: difference is, you know, I'm going back to what you're

622
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 5: saying about codependency, and I think sometimes spirituality, or looking

623
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 5: up to some other soothing figure or authority figure, we

624
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 5: put them in that position and we deny ourselves ever

625
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 5: becoming that position. But the truth is we're actually here

626
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: to learn.

627
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: Right.

628
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 5: The reason I so admire so many of my friends,

629
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 5: and I've always had friends who are older than me,

630
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: like twenty years older than me thirty, because I loved

631
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 5: like they knew things, they embodied something that I wasn't

632
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 5: capable of. And still to this day, you know, I

633
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 5: love my friends who are way wiser than I am

634
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 5: in certain areas that I'll never be, but I do

635
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 5: recognize that I learn a bit more just by being

636
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 5: in their orbit. So I think spirituality is an osmosis engine.

637
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 5: It should be something that you immerse yourself in to

638
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 5: become more of it, not to become a transactional customer

639
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 5: of the person that you have. You know you don't

640
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 5: want to. For me, it just isn't a lifelong Okay,

641
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 5: I'm going to be a lifelong student of this one person.

642
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 5: But that's me, and I come from a much more

643
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 5: multi dimensional viewpoint. I don't want to take away from

644
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 5: certain people for whom the Guru was their deepening with

645
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 5: spirituality for a decade or because there are different paths,

646
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 5: But for me it was much more. There's so much

647
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 5: going on here. Yeah, I don't want to get into

648
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 5: a transactional, codependent situation, and that just never felt true

649
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 5: to me.

650
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah God, it's just this is necessary

651
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: and important.

652
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything that you.

653
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Said deeply, Well.

654
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: I believe in reverence for your teachers, right, I believe

655
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: in the sacredness of what that relationship between teacher and

656
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Speaker 3: student is, the relationship I have with many of my teachers,

657
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 3: the relationship students have with me like that is an

658
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: important relationship, especially in this work. But having reverence and

659
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: gratitude for your teacher and the places you were able

660
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: to go because they shared learning with you, knowledge, wisdom,

661
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 3: and wanting to worship the teacher, those are are very

662
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: very different things. Very there should be respect, There should

663
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: be a certain pride taken in the years that you

664
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: are a student, in the fact that your whole life

665
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 3: you'll be a student of something or various things always.

666
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: But when it comes to now, you're exerting the effort

667
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: to worship a teacher, to bypass yourself or to please,

668
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 3: or to whatever kind of transaction or exchange that becomes.

669
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Speaker 4: That's dangerous. It's very dangerous.

670
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 5: And you know who I think it's even more dangerous for,

671
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 5: and we don't talk about this enough, is the teacher.

672
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 5: And I have seen I have seen people walk themselves

673
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 5: off a cliff because they've allowed worship. And you watch

674
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 5: it happen and you're like, oh God, this isn't going

675
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 5: to go well for you. You shouldn't feed on that energy.

676
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 5: That energy is not yours to feed on. It's not clean,

677
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 5: it's not nutritious, it's dangerous. It's going to inflate you.

678
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 5: So whatever wound you have of inadequacy or I'm not

679
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 5: an but our self worth issues are our self worth

680
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 5: issues to deal with as human beings. We can't take

681
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 5: an area of our life where you know, we are

682
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: perhaps appreciated and use that as a place to hide

683
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: in and not deal with your self worth issues. So

684
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 5: you see a lot of people, a lot of people

685
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 5: in that dynamic. And it because I've been close to

686
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 5: a couple of people who have let's say, abused that

687
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 5: worship energy. I got to see it very young, and

688
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 5: it was a great warning to me. And I'm you

689
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 5: know what, I've noticed. I don't really look online anymore

690
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 5: over the last few years. I've kind of backed away

691
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 5: from looking at comments and things, which is great for

692
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 5: me now, But I used to notice there would be

693
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 5: certain teachers around whom worship culture would happen. And once

694
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 5: someone pointed this out to me and asked me a

695
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: question about it, and I said, well, they're allowing it

696
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 5: because you do. You don't have worshipers around you if

697
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 5: you're paying attention noticing that's happening and smashing it down

698
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 5: and stopping it because it's not good for them or

699
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 5: for you. It actually creates a distance. But you see

700
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 5: it out there, and then something you said earlier that

701
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 5: just on a personal level. One of the things I

702
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 5: didn't really expect about doing this work publicly, and especially

703
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 5: as it's grown, is how people change toward you in

704
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 5: their behavior because of their perception of you. Either that

705
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 5: you know. I wonder if i've sometimes I remember emails

706
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 5: would come to the website and I would you know

707
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 5: this was you know, going back years, I don't see

708
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 5: the emails really anymore unless it's something I really have

709
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 5: to see, And they would say things like, Oh, I

710
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 5: would love to just go on holiday with you for

711
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 5: a week and we could just talk about energy the

712
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 5: whole time, And I remember thinking, yeah, I'm not going

713
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: to talk about energy the whole time. Like that is

714
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 5: my work and that is a huge, vitally important part

715
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 5: of who I am. But there are other sides of

716
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 5: me that you don't actually know that might piss you off,

717
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 5: like and so the thing that I've learned, especially in

718
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 5: recent years is projection that we all have on each

719
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: other is a weird thing. When you do a thing

720
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 5: that's visible because either the person knows your work and

721
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 5: therefore has an idea about you, or has an attachment

722
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,959
Speaker 5: to how you're going to respond to them, or vice

723
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 5: versa that you have to deal with. Or there's the

724
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 5: other flip, which is someone doesn't know what the hell

725
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 5: you do, but someone at a party happens to tell them, oh,

726
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 5: they've got a big YouTube following, and then all of

727
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 5: a sudden, it's someone who wants to have a conversation

728
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 5: with someone who's got you get immersed in all this stuff.

729
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 5: That's just kind of a little bit. Now I'm better,

730
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 5: But I went through several years of like, oh my god,

731
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 5: what this is weird? Like, yeah, you get entangled in

732
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 5: people projections around success or notoriety or and I had

733
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 5: a few very famous friends in my younger years, and

734
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 5: I would witness this happen with them, and I would

735
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 5: always be like, oh wow, how odd. And now I

736
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 5: you know, I have my own more microcosmic experiences of it.

737
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 5: But it's funny what we what we do to each

738
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: other in the way that we don't come in clean

739
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 5: and unattached. We come in with all kinds of ideas,

740
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 5: and you often have to go, okay, am I in

741
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 5: front of a person who is with me and who

742
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 5: is present and we're in complete, honest, energetic relay with

743
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 5: each other? Or am I in front of a person

744
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 5: who I can't reach they don't want to reach me,

745
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: but they've got some idea about what's going on here.

746
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 5: And I mean that doesn't just happen because of doing

747
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 5: public work. I mean that happens in every.

748
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: Area of life.

749
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 5: So that's why it's such a joy, isn't it. When

750
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 5: you're with someone you can just flow yeah, and it's like,

751
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 5: oh cool, we're not worried about what we each have

752
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 5: or what we each do. We're just human to human

753
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 5: in this moment that those those pure friendships and connections

754
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 5: and sometimes strangers are just the best.

755
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, so much. And what you said, Oh my god,

756
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 4: so much.

757
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: One of the things too, that that you pointed out

758
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: that I think is important for people to hear, especially

759
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: if anyone is listening that is on this path. You know,

760
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: you are a healer, a teacher. You are being used.

761
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 4: Something you said. When you notice it, it.

762
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: Is so important that you step in and cut that

763
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: off because you are the one that is creating the

764
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: path forward of how you will be perceived. To some extent,

765
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: a lot is out of our control, but to how

766
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: you're going to navigate that energy and that movement as

767
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: it moves. And it's like, yeah, I think I remember.

768
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 3: I once had this experience where someone and we hadn't

769
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: even worked together in this sense, like I hadn't, I

770
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: hadn't done anyone on one work with them, but they

771
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: had consumed some things I had done and had reached

772
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: out and were just like really upset and really emotional,

773
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: and they're like, but you are my healer. You are

774
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: my healer, and I had to be, you know, very

775
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: direct and say I am a healer. That's between me

776
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: and God. I am a healer. Yes, I am not

777
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: your healer. You are your healer. You are your healer.

778
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: I am not your healer. I am a healer, you know.

779
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: And everything I touch and work on can channel that.

780
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 4: But you don't own that. You don't own me.

781
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: You haven't even gotten my consent for that. You are

782
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: projecting a mothering you would like to receive from me,

783
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: you know. And wow, there's so many dimensions and dynamics

784
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: that you know, we can go down with that kind

785
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: of an example, but it's important. And I think an

786
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: experience that I've had and me and you talk like

787
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: we'd be talking, so we we're always kind of in

788
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: the nuance of some of what that experience is like.

789
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: But you know, another thing that I think is interesting,

790
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 3: and I don't know how much you get this, but

791
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 3: when people connect to you deeply or something you're sharing

792
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: that it's just God and it's just invoking in you,

793
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: you know, like I don't know where it lands and

794
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: where it goes, but I trust that it goes where

795
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: it needs to. People project on you their value system,

796
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: their success system. So something I get a lot from

797
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 3: people who only know of me. Perhaps what I share

798
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: on Instagram, which is not a lot, is oh my God,

799
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: like I love this, So how do we scale this?

800
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: So how do we do this? Or you should be

801
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: here or you should be that? And I'm like, that's

802
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: not my dream, right Like the fame to me is

803
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: a burden. That's not my dream. I have no desire

804
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: to scale this and to anything that's mainstream, corporate, bigger,

805
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: founder of this and exit d da da da, this

806
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: many people. That's not at all anything I want to do,

807
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: you know. But the way people can hold you and

808
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: kind of see a projection of what they want your

809
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: purpose to be or how they want it to be

810
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: manifest so that it can align with what they identify

811
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: as valuable. I feel that I am always my whole

812
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: life have been very consciously and intentionally sidestepping all of

813
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: that and saying, sure, I get it. You think I

814
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 3: should be this and I should make everything my face

815
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: or my name. That's not how I want to do it,

816
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: and that's not how God's telling me to do it,

817
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: even if I could do it that way.

818
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 5: I love that you're bringing this up because we can

819
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 5: take this away from the example of the work that

820
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 5: we do in the world, and we can bring it

821
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 5: right back to all of us as human beings. Where

822
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 5: you know you are with a friend and the friend

823
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 5: has your best interests at heart, and there's something they're

824
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 5: like cheering you on about and they're so happy you're

825
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 5: doing it, and all of a sudden, you do a

826
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 5: complete three sixteen you go the other way, and that

827
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 5: friend will still cheer you on. And then there are

828
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 5: other friends who were your friend because they were kind

829
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 5: of invested that you were going that way. They didn't

830
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 5: really care so much about you or even understand what

831
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 5: you really wanted or needed, but they were living in

832
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 5: a reality in their own mind that they're in relationship

833
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 5: with you, but they're not really there in relationship with

834
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 5: the aspect of you that suits what they need and want,

835
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 5: which is very different. Right, And I'm going through I

836
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 5: think in my personal life in the last two three years,

837
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 5: I've gone through a lot of that. I've gone through

838
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 5: a lot of Oh, this is a transactional relationship. You

839
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 5: don't see it, you're just in it. But I'm seeing

840
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 5: it really clearly now and I didn't before. And that's

841
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 5: because I was a vibrational match to it before. And

842
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 5: then I had a couple of major discernment lessons in

843
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 5: my life in the last couple of years that were

844
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 5: really tough, but were really like an awakening around who

845
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 5: can I trust? Am I trusting myself enough? Can I

846
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: deepen how to trust myself?

847
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: Ah?

848
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 5: These are the people I can trust. And I see

849
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 5: how these people might need or want something from me,

850
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 5: And some of that's been to do with the work,

851
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 5: and some of that's been just personal life. So I

852
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 5: think the comes a point where you get clearer about

853
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 5: the people that you know love you for you, and

854
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 5: you know those people because you feel completely relaxed when

855
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: you're with them and they've seen you through all ups

856
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 5: and downs. And either you'll meet incredibly non attached, wise, loving,

857
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 5: compassionate people who can do that next week when they

858
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 5: meet you for the first time ever. And then you

859
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 5: have those certain friends in your life. They're in it

860
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 5: for you as a soul, not you as an identity,

861
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 5: because our identity changes all the time as we go

862
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 5: through our life. Our soul doesn't, but our identity shifts

863
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 5: and changes and grows. So when we think of projection,

864
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 5: projection that other people put onto us. They're actually trapped

865
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 5: in their own identity, in their own way of seeing things,

866
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 5: and they're just trying to put us into a part

867
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 5: in their play that we may or may not fit.

868
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 5: So we can't blame them for that. But what we

869
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 5: can do is go, oh, wow, I just put myself

870
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Speaker 5: in that part for that person for two years, and

871
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Speaker 5: now I've come out feeling a little bit of resentment. Okay,

872
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 5: I'd better forgive myself. I'd better forgive them, and I'll

873
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Speaker 5: move on and I won't I won't let myself fit

874
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Speaker 5: in that box next time. And I mean think we

875
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Speaker 5: all do it because, like you said, we learn it

876
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 5: in childhood. It's a survival strategy. So we're all kind

877
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Speaker 5: of undoing ourselves and reinventing ourselves as we go. But

878
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Speaker 5: I love that you the example you gave of it

879
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 5: through work. Isn't that so true of who we are

880
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 5: as humans every day? And us too, Like you know,

881
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 5: we have to catch ourselves in our own minds or

882
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 5: feelings when we get activated by a certain person or

883
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 5: a certain thing, and it's like, oh, is this pure

884
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 5: in me? Or is this coming from some kind of wound?

885
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 5: Or compensation. Yeah, that's been another interesting just for me personally,

886
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Speaker 5: just kind of keeping my eye very closely on all

887
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Speaker 5: of that the last few years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love the way that you said that our identity

890
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Speaker 3: is always changing, but our soul isn't. Like that's incredibly

891
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: powerful and just the visualization of that of like that

892
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Speaker 3: deeper core, right, Like that is the constant, that is

893
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Speaker 3: the oven that's always on. But we do get the

894
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Speaker 3: opportunity to elevate in our identities and to constantly be

895
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Speaker 3: kind of reviewing what contracts we think we've signed with,

896
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Speaker 3: who we are and how we need to present or be.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And as you say that, I just feel cool

898
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Speaker 5: to say something. You and I have spoken about some

899
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Speaker 5: of the very difficult relationships we've had in our past,

900
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Speaker 5: you know, relationships that we were in that weren't very

901
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Speaker 5: We weren't honoring ourselves by being in them because they

902
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Speaker 5: weren't honoring us, right, Yeah, And I think there is

903
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Speaker 5: something too recognizing that when we go down those paths

904
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Speaker 5: we're not making a mistake. We might come out of

905
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Speaker 5: them and go, oh my god, why did I do that? Well,

906
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Speaker 5: we did it to learn like if we if we

907
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Speaker 5: if we stayed in something that we then reflect was

908
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Speaker 5: either damaging or difficult for us. We will we will

909
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Speaker 5: really remember that lesson. Sure, we may repeat it in

910
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Speaker 5: more subtle ways a few times just to kind of

911
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Speaker 5: really test our discernment, but the soul is the essence

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Speaker 5: of who we are. And let's say one of your

913
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Speaker 5: lessons or my lessons was to come in and learn

914
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Speaker 5: about discernment. Well, guess how we're going to learn discernment.

915
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Speaker 4: Sadly, masterclass.

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Speaker 5: We are not going to just be like, oh, I

917
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Speaker 5: can see you know. We're gonna no matter how intuitive

918
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 5: you are, your human lessons are your human lessons, and

919
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Speaker 5: we all have blind spots for reasons, because those are

920
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Speaker 5: areas that we're supposed to develop our seeing. So, like

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Speaker 5: everyone else in it, I don't always feel that, you know,

922
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Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, you know, I can have the woe

923
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Speaker 5: as me. I can have the I can have the upset,

924
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Speaker 5: I can have all those feelings and things. But I

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Speaker 5: think the difference for me now at this age versus

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Speaker 5: in my twenties, when I would have just been fully

927
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Speaker 5: immersed in victimhood or whatever I was feeling at the

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Speaker 5: time without as much awareness as I'll have now I'm like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 5: this is this is a learning period.

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Speaker 4: Ouch.

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Speaker 5: I need to look I need to be as graceful

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Speaker 5: and kind to myself right now because I'm in a

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Speaker 5: learning period. Whereas if I go back to my twenties,

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Speaker 5: when I had a lot more self attack and a

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Speaker 5: lot more self judgment, and I think, really self hatred

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Speaker 5: was what was underneath some of that for me. When I,

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Speaker 5: you know, look back on it now in a way

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Speaker 5: I would never behave toward myself. Now, I go, oh,

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Speaker 5: I see, I had to walk into some of those things.

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Speaker 5: And so I say that because I think, especially in

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Speaker 5: spirituality or self growth culture, there can be this goal

942
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Speaker 5: of well I need to be ascended or I need

943
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Speaker 5: to be healed, and I'm like, well, life will Life

944
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Speaker 5: will do that for us. But until we die, we

945
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Speaker 5: don't know what our healing is. Until we pass over.

946
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Speaker 5: Now we don't actually, well we don't, right, And even

947
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Speaker 5: in your deathbed, will you be able to look back?

948
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Speaker 5: And no, the game continues, like we are. We are

949
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Speaker 5: alive in the game right now and it's continuing. So

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Speaker 5: I think sometimes we have this this perception that we

951
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Speaker 5: can judge ourselves and we can't really and we shouldn't.

952
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Speaker 5: But equally, if you are recovering from something really difficult,

953
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Speaker 5: try not to judge yourself because that is not the

954
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Speaker 5: time that you want to be pointing the finger at

955
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Speaker 5: yourself as why did I get myself into this?

956
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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 5: No, no, let the wounds heal. This is the time

958
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Speaker 5: for the sling to do its work. This is not

959
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 5: the time to go how did this happen to the shoulder?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: No, this happened to the shoulder for a reason. And

962
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Speaker 5: there's a learning and now we're recovering. And sorry to

963
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Speaker 5: use you.

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Speaker 4: I'm a living example tell the people.

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Speaker 5: So. Yeah, but that for me is the truth that

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Speaker 5: I that I couldn't embody in my twenties. I was

967
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Speaker 5: too hard on myself and too caught up in let's

968
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Speaker 5: call it self growth success culture, which doesn't even it's

969
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 5: not even a thing. But you know, the people who

970
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Speaker 5: taught me, that was kind of how they saw it

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Speaker 5: at the time. And I think that was more the

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Speaker 5: culture twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Oh my gosh, everything that you

974
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Speaker 3: just said was so powerful, so powerful and so important. Yeah,

975
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Speaker 3: and I think and that culture is still that culture

976
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Speaker 3: that you're talking about it is alive and well in

977
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Speaker 3: course culture, and all the people that are selling quote

978
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Speaker 3: unquote ascension based on monetary abundance. I think that's that's

979
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Speaker 3: how I perceive it and see it, But it is.

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Speaker 4: It's all those other layers. It is like all of

981
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Speaker 4: those all of those other layers that was really really powerful.

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Speaker 3: Your latest book, The Future Human, is available absolutely everywhere Audible, Amazon,

983
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 3: Barnes and Noble, all the places. And your latest album,

984
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: though I do recommend that everyone kind of goes back

985
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Speaker 3: into the archives. Your latest album, Medicine Mantras Volume two,

986
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 3: just released in this last year, So I think that

987
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Speaker 3: is just the beautiful chance, an opportunity for people to

988
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Speaker 3: kind of begin their deep dive into your work and

989
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Speaker 3: into your community. As I close out every episode, I

990
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Speaker 3: love to share with everyone a little bit of soul work.

991
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Speaker 3: And so what that could be for you to the

992
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Speaker 3: audience is anything like a journal prompt, a thought starter,

993
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: a somatic practice, but something that those who are resonating

994
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: with this episode can use to integrate even deeper into

995
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Speaker 3: the things that we have been talking about.

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Speaker 5: What I feel cool to do, and I do this

997
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 5: on my tour and every tour stop is to invite

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00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 5: everyone listening and watching to grab a pen and paper,

999
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 5: or if you prefer to type, pull up a document

1000
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 5: on your screen or on your phone, and write the

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Speaker 5: sentence what does my soul want to tell me today?

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00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 5: Question mark? What does my soul want to tell me today?

1003
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 5: Question mark? And then give yourself one, two, three, four,

1004
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 5: five minutes to see what words come through for you.

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Speaker 5: And for some of you, there may be no words.

1006
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 5: Sometimes people don't get words, but most of the time

1007
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 5: people get words, and it might be a sentence, it

1008
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Speaker 5: might be a paragraph, but it's a really powerful connect

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00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 5: with the voice of our higher self, our soul that

1010
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 5: everyone can do. And I that's something I like to

1011
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 5: share because I believe that the reason channels channelers who

1012
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 5: do it publicly like I do. I think the point

1013
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 5: of our existence is to spread it through osmosis, not

1014
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 5: that everyone has to become a channel the way that

1015
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 5: it looks like I'm doing it publicly, But for our lives,

1016
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 5: it's so powerful to connect with your soul, your higher self,

1017
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 5: your guides, and it's something all of us can do.

1018
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 5: So what does my soul want to tell me today?

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Speaker 5: And give yourself two three minutes to let the answer.

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Speaker 3: Come, I love that, I love that. I love that,

1021
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,479
Speaker 3: and do it again and again and again.

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Speaker 5: You can do it every day, and then you can

1023
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 5: start asking other questions. So when I channel for myself

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00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 5: and I do it on my iPhone because I you know,

1025
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Speaker 5: it's usually with me, I use the notes app, I

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00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 5: write the date at the top, and I'll normally have

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Speaker 5: a few questions. There might be some things going on

1028
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 5: in my life I want to ask about, or things

1029
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 5: in the world, but I'll always start with the question

1030
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 5: how am I doing? Question mark? How am I doing?

1031
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 5: Question mark? And that gives them an opportunity to tell

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00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 5: me something that I'm not going fishing for, you know,

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00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 5: or that I haven't got my eye on. And so

1034
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 5: I get initially this frave of oh oh interesting, or

1035
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 5: to see things differently, and then I'll ask my questions.

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Speaker 5: So you could be as simple as how am I doing?

1037
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 5: But the reason for people who've never done it before,

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00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 5: I use a sentence like what does my soul want

1039
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 5: to tell me today? Is it bypasses the idea you

1040
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 5: have to meet your guides. Not everyone's going to meet

1041
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 5: their guides. I didn't go looking for them. It just

1042
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 5: happened to me, But your guides aren't the only useful

1043
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 5: source of information. Your own wisdom is, the wisdom of

1044
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 5: your friends and loved ones, is the wisdom of nature,

1045
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 5: the wisdom of animals, and the wisdom of our own

1046
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 5: higher self and soul connection which we all have and

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00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 5: can access.

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Speaker 4: That is so good, y'all have fun with that.

1049
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Speaker 3: Start to see what happens in your life after you

1050
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: bring this powerful activity in.

1051
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: That might be my favorite soul work we've had on

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Speaker 3: this show. Thank you very much for that. Scroll down

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Speaker 3: in the show notes of this episode if you're listening

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Speaker 3: on Apple or Spotify or YouTube, and you will see

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Speaker 3: links on all the ways to get connected to Lee.

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Speaker 3: There will be a connection a link to his website,

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00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: to his Instagram, to his tour, and of course to

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Speaker 3: the latest book that is available absolutely everywhere, The Future

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Speaker 3: Human with the amazing Miss Meredith, with the amazing Regina Meredith, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Lee, Thank you so.

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Speaker 5: Much, Thank you, my friends. Delightful to be with you always.

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Speaker 3: Catch everyone next episode. Please, if you get an opportunity,

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Speaker 3: listen to your favorite shows.