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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Stealer Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network here on a Monday, where Matt that's all

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Speaker 2: she wrote.

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Speaker 3: All she wrote season in the books, Seasons.

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Speaker 2: In the books. Yea, and now we have no football

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Speaker 2: until August time frame. But that's okay, obviously plenty to

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Speaker 2: get to. But we have kind of finally crossed the

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Speaker 2: finish line of this season. Super Bowl sixty in the books,

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Speaker 2: Seattle twenty nine, New England thirteen. But Matt didn't really

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Speaker 2: feel like a game that featured that many points, did it.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: We had a defensive score, a bunch of field goals,

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of punts, a lot of drives ending

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Speaker 3: with so to speak. Yeah, yeah, and defense are driven

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Speaker 3: and frankly it'll be overlooked. But New England's defense did

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Speaker 3: all they could.

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Speaker 2: You know, they played very well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean they really did. And I think that's the

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Speaker 2: it will get into all the different stuff here and

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Speaker 2: kind of just spend this first hour of the show

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Speaker 2: reacting to last night's Super Bowl. But that was kind

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Speaker 2: of my biggest takeaway is through the vast majority of

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Speaker 2: that game, certainly the first half and into the third quarter,

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Speaker 2: both defenses having their way. Yeah, both defensive fronts, like

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Speaker 2: we talked about, making life difficult on the opposition quarterback,

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Speaker 2: the opposition offense. But Seattle was able to do just

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Speaker 2: a little bit more, Kenneth Walker, Sam Darnold able to

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Speaker 2: do just a little bit more. They build that lead up, build,

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Speaker 2: that lead up, build, that lead up through field goals,

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden they score a touchdown

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Speaker 2: and it's like they put it away and New England

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Speaker 2: comes right back and scores a touchdown in three plays.

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Speaker 2: The offenses woke up a little bit, But for me,

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Speaker 2: that was kind of the overarching story was both of

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Speaker 2: those defensive fronts making it for you know, a very

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Speaker 2: difficult evening for the most part, for the opposition offenses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe my big picture takeaway is you can

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Speaker 3: still get really far in this league based off of

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Speaker 3: a defense. I mean, look at some of the best

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Speaker 3: defenses in the league. These are two of them. And

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Speaker 3: New England's played that way for six weeks, eight weeks

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Speaker 3: something like that, and they were never bad to all year.

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Speaker 3: Denver Houston are probably your next best defenses. They're still

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Speaker 3: in it. The Rams had a really good year defensively,

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Speaker 3: speaking of which I mean, how good do the Rams

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Speaker 3: look now? I mean in terms of they're the only

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Speaker 3: ones that can figure out this defense.

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Speaker 2: The only ones to score points on Seattle consists.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do think you don't you know, Darnold's fine,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know that you have to have Mahomes

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Speaker 3: or Allen or Lamar And if you have a defense

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Speaker 3: and you don't screw things up on offense, you can

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Speaker 3: still win with that formula in this league is my

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Speaker 3: my overriding thing. But that's probably good news for Steeler fans, that.

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Speaker 2: Is, if you want to localize it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at hey, listen, Patrick Mahomes has won

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Speaker 2: three MVP or three Super Bowl trophies in the last

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Speaker 2: handful of years. He's going to be a surefire, no doubt,

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Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer when he retires, and barring

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Speaker 2: something drastic, is already going to go down as one

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Speaker 2: of the best three best five quarterbacks of all time.

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Speaker 2: But you also look at the last two years. That's

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Speaker 2: not how the Eagles won the Super Bowl. That's not

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Speaker 2: how Seattle won the Super Bowl. It's not how the

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Speaker 2: Eagles won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: which isn't recent anymore, but it's still within the last decade.

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Speaker 2: So that long stretch of all the Super Bowls being

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Speaker 2: won by Brady and Manning and Roethlisberger in Breeze, there

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Speaker 2: was a real, a real time period there where like

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco was the lowest outlier and he was unbelievable

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Speaker 2: at that time and in that year. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying that that has flipped on its head, that that's

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Speaker 2: not saying that all of a sudden you can win

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Speaker 2: last night, but he was very good throughout the throughout

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. But man, maybe it's maybe that bar of

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Speaker 2: this is what you have to have at quarterback to

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Speaker 2: win a super Bowl that we've all thought over the

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Speaker 2: last fifteen twenty years. Maybe it's not quite to that extent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was kind of a hopeless feeling when

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Speaker 3: you didn't have that quarterback, Like, how on Earth am

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Speaker 3: I going to get a Lamar who hasn't even won

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Speaker 2: Like the Jimmy Garoppolos and the Jared Goffs and those

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Speaker 3: Then they get knocked down by Superman or whatever. Yes,

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Speaker 3: So I do think it's I don't say it's a

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Speaker 3: defensive driven league. I'm out ready to go there. But

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Speaker 3: the season defenses certainly shortened the gap between defense and

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Speaker 3: into the playoffs that I think. You know, the Eagles

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Speaker 3: were the best, you know team in this regard of

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Speaker 3: you build a great roster and insert the quarterback and

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Speaker 3: he makes plays, but he doesn't have to be the

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Speaker 3: driving force of it all. You can still be a

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Speaker 3: really dominant team in this league. I'm gonna stick with Arnold.

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Speaker 3: He played really really well against the Rams when needed

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Speaker 3: to be a shootout, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 2: Like four touchdown passes, yeah, three hundred some yards.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't think they get there without him playing

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Speaker 3: phenomenal football in a clutch game like that real quick.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of the Steelers' Super Bowl forty victory

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Speaker 2: over Seattle, Ben Roethlisberger's first Super Bowl where he wasn't

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Speaker 2: very good in that Super Bowl, right, and everybody remembers

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Speaker 2: that and brings that up all the time, but they

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Speaker 2: never talk about how good he was in the AFC

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Speaker 2: Championship game. And they don't win the AFC Championship Game

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Speaker 2: in Denver without Ben two weeks.

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Speaker 3: Real similar because I thought Donald early in the game.

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Speaker 3: I don't say he was pressing, but the Patriots were

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Speaker 3: breaking on the ball and look like they, Hey, if

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Speaker 3: everybody's got the jitters.

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Speaker 2: Christian gozalez Man and change things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So Donald was kind of squeaking by by

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Speaker 3: He didn't even have a Smith and Jigba in the game.

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean you take the offensive player of

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Speaker 2: And Jigbu didn't really do But when I have three

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Speaker 2: receptions for twenty four yards and huge in the locker

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do think that a huge thing Donald

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Speaker 3: did do well was sack avoidance. Yeah, I mean May

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Speaker 3: didn't and he was under a lot more pressure. Don't

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Speaker 3: get me wrong. It's not apples to apples, but the

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Speaker 3: ability to not take sacks not have negatives. And how

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Speaker 3: often do we talk about like sack differential and sacks

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Speaker 3: a quarterback stat and all those things, And hey, you

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Speaker 3: need to have at least this level of athletic to

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Speaker 2: That man, Milton Williams was horseshoes and hand grenades so

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Speaker 2: many times last night to be so frustrated. He was

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Speaker 2: so close to a big play on Donald two or

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Speaker 2: three times. And like you said, just enough mobility, just

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Speaker 2: the right side step, the right footwork at the exact

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Speaker 2: Seattle doesn't start pulling away. They don't even find the

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you can feel that Patriots like

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Speaker 2: and I I think you are absolutely correct in that,

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Speaker 2: especially in the third quarter out of out of halftime,

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Speaker 2: the Seattle offense started looking more comfortable. Sam Darnald started

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Speaker 2: during the elongated halftime that you get in the Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl of like, Sam, we gotta, we gotta use our

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Speaker 2: got to create a little bit more. It's not there.

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Speaker 2: Jsn's banged up, all these different things. We need to

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Speaker 2: take those four or five six yard scrambles and and

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Speaker 2: just live to to keep a drive going. Where at

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Speaker 2: the same time, Drake May wasn't able to kind of

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Speaker 3: I definitely get to the May in a second, But

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Speaker 3: earlier in Darnold's career, he would not have been able

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Speaker 3: to do that.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he would have been the guy taking the

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Speaker 3: when he shouldn't, or not playing within himself. And there's

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Speaker 3: definitely a level of maturity there that I'm sure will

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Speaker 3: come with May. And I kind of feel bad for

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Speaker 3: me because people are gonna give him a hard time, like, man.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna get ripped on the next few months.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And frankly, the whole playoff feel bad was good.

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Speaker 3: They were bad for him, They were bad for Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see hardly any adjustments from him. And frankly,

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Speaker 3: the offense around him I thought was bottom tier and

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Speaker 3: they played great defenses all through the playoffs, often in

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Speaker 3: horrible weather too. But he was not good last night,

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Speaker 3: but he was under pressure on fifty two percent of

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Speaker 3: his dropbacks. And for people to kind of give it

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Speaker 3: some perspective there, remember when Mahomes played Tampa and we're

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Speaker 3: like that poor guy's got no chance in the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl and he's just funny.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you say that, because that's exactly what I

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Speaker 2: was thinking. It reminded me of that Mahomes Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: against the Bucks, where he's like falling backwards trying to throw.

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Speaker 3: He was like parallel to the ground, I mean right.

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Speaker 2: And his receiver drops it in the end zone.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of feel smart because on Friday, on

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Speaker 3: multiple shows, I said, I think May's going to have

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Speaker 3: him a Homes like moment where he's either going to

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Speaker 3: get overwhelmed like he was against the Bucks, or this

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Speaker 3: future MVP stud is going to elevate as Mahomes so

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Speaker 3: often has, which is so hard to do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, why Patrick Mahomes is already yeah, three quarterback

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Speaker 3: I mean, the ten guys you're playing with aren't nearly

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Speaker 3: as good as the eleven you're playing against. It's not

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Speaker 3: even close. But the back of the pressure eight with

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Speaker 3: thing he was under. His pressure rate against was fifty

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Speaker 3: two percent that Mahomes Tampa game. It was only forty

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Speaker 3: two percent, So I mean it was still a lot worse,

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean he had very little chance. I mean,

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Speaker 3: was it a great showing. No. But I wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: No. And you know what, It's funny, I had a

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Speaker 2: feeling we would talk about that at some point today

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Speaker 2: because I think everyone knows you're a big Drake May believer. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: But he was there.

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Speaker 2: Matt, there's a reason one of the most well known

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Speaker 3: And my friends would laugh at me for how little

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Speaker 2: Know, right. You and I are not like our buddy

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Speaker 3: And with ten new head coaches and like twenty one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that even included a defensive score. You know,

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Speaker 2: You helped him a little. So he's like, I want

438
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Speaker 2: to put in fifty bucks into into a into a

439
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 2: sports thing. And he's like and just like, we'll bet

440
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 2: on some Russian ping pong, well you know what I mean, Like,

441
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,879
Speaker 2: and let's just see what we can do with that

442
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 2: fifty bucks. If we end up losing at all, great,

443
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: If we end up making money, great, you know who cares.

444
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 2: But like he's like, I'm bored.

445
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 3: Taking the bank here. This gives you a reason to

446
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 3: watch Russian ping pong.

447
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 2: Exactly right. And now five years later we have like

448
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 2: a little over two hundred dollars in that.

449
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 3: Account, so you've done well. It's gone from.

450
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: Fifty to like two hundred and ten. So it's not

451
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: some crazy but you know, we're we're.

452
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 3: I started my first because they were a sponsor, and

453
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 3: you got one hundred bucks free because they were a sponsor,

454
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 3: and I've never put money in and then they take

455
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 3: got a little bit out.

456
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: That's the way. That's the way to do it.

457
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 3: Like, okay, I guess I'm okay at this.

458
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: So we have those four bets. Down the stretch, he's

459
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: calling me like every twenty minutes and he's like, we

460
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 2: need to do something else. We meant to make a

461
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 2: live bet. Come on, we gotta we gotta chase this thing.

462
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: Come on, it's the last football game of the year.

463
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I still like our chances of of

464
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 2: a defense or special team touchdown, Like New England's gonna

465
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: have to start forcing things.

466
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can't protect. I mean scoop and score or

467
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 3: pick six. It's certainly possible. Too good return or a

468
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 3: good return guy too.

469
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so in that moment where Seattle got the

471
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Speaker 2: the it was it technically a pick six right because

472
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Speaker 2: that I don't know what they called it.

473
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: Technically never hit assumption.

474
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: Because it never hit the ground. Okay, but we went

475
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: from losing money and on that one play we made money.

476
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: I'm in the basement, like, yeah, my dad's calling me. Like,

477
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: but another name, Matt, speaking of special teams that deserves

478
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: a lot of credit today is Seahawks punter Michael Dixon.

479
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah he was a weapon last night. Field goal kicker too.

480
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: But but man Dixon, every every opportunity he had was

481
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: pinning New England deep and they were just failure to

482
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Speaker 2: launch the entire game almost.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought a big trend of the game is

484
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Speaker 3: when the Patriots would have a little bit of life,

485
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 3: it got squashed. And like that punt was one of them.

486
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Speaker 3: You know, every time it's like, okay, Smith and Jig

487
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 3: has been out for fifteen minutes, they're passing game, we

488
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: can cover these dudes. Gonzalez will lock down and then no,

489
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 3: you know, then you know, the Seattle does something big.

490
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: And I thought that particular punt exemplified that. But Dale

491
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 3: used to make fun of me, because even for fantasy reasons,

492
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Speaker 3: I don't even know who's every team's kickers and punters.

493
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: I just don't let alone long snappers. I mean I

494
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 3: would be really really bad considering what I do for

495
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Speaker 3: a living.

496
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Speaker 2: I think, especially where you could say sixty four kickers

497
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 2: and punters in the NFL, how many do you think

498
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 2: you and I could name half?

499
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Speaker 3: I mean even if he gave me every name and

500
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Speaker 3: like put the dots. This guy goes to the Texans,

501
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: this guy goes to the Chiefs, I'd still be really

502
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 3: bad at it. Yeah, I mean I think it's a

503
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: blind Yeah, get half and probably more kickers, some of

504
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: them been stuck for a while. But I've always been

505
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Speaker 3: bad at it. But I do know Dixon came out

506
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Speaker 3: of Texas. He was like a historically known punter even

507
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Speaker 3: as a prospect. I mean, like the biggest leg we've

508
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 3: ever seen. This guy should go. You know, what's too

509
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: early to draft a punter. Those conversations with his draft

510
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 3: were but a couple notes. First off, like if you

511
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Speaker 3: look at DVOA or EPA or any advanced stats or

512
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: any metric of special teams, which is basically only scouting,

513
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: I do special teams. I go to those sites and

514
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: see who's good, who's bad, and if we break it

515
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Speaker 3: down further, what categories they're at. Well, Seattle's number one.

516
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: Like when we broke down Rams Seattle, which really ended

517
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 3: up being the Super Bowl, Seattle was like one. Rams

518
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 3: were basically last. Patriots f are middle of the road,

519
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: but it's been a huge reason why Seattle is here.

520
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: You know, the hidden yardage stuff. I mean, we've talked

521
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: about like their explosive play differentials awesome, but there's a

522
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: lot of advanced stats, especially in the special teams world,

523
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: that really favors them too. Kicker made every kick. Now

524
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 3: they weren't the hardest kicks out there, and well there

525
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: wasn't a problem, but he made every kick. The punter

526
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Speaker 3: was incredible. There were two great punt returners in this game.

527
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Speaker 3: And to the Patriots credit, I don't know if you

528
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 3: have the box score in front of you, but we

529
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Speaker 3: know there were a lot of punts period in this game.

530
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Speaker 3: There was very very few punt return yardage. Oh. I mean,

531
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Speaker 3: both teams covered exceptional returners very very well in this game.

532
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't like New England was bad on teams,

533
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: but all these things matter, especially if you don't have

534
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Speaker 3: the Mahomes Alan Lamar guy, you know, like, you better

535
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 3: win in the margins, the hidden yardage, all those things

536
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Speaker 3: to be the Hoysti Lombardi.

537
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: It was huge for Seattle. Okay, so let's go Seattle first.

538
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: One kick return for twenty yards. Shaheed one kick return

539
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: for twenty yards. Two punt returns for a total of

540
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Speaker 2: sixteen yards, a ten yard return and a six yard return.

541
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Speaker 2: New England five kick returns. Obviously, because Seattle was scoring

542
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: more often for one hundred and forty one yards.

543
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Speaker 3: I didn't know the kick return numbers.

544
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Speaker 2: They had that long Travion Henderson thirty eight yard of

545
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: that kind of skewed that a little bit. But this

546
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Speaker 2: is the this is the real.

547
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: There's the kick kick or not.

548
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: Here's not to be punny. New England punt returns two.

549
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: For four yards. Yeah, and Jones is one of the

550
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: best out there. I mean, the guys are good returners.

551
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just another underrated aspect. There also was

552
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Speaker 3: not a lot of penalty poor play in that regard. Now,

553
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: I also think the rest put the hankies away a

554
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: little more in the Super Bowl too.

555
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Speaker 2: They did I kind of liked that, if I'm being honest.

556
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: I did do as long as it's not egregious and

557
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: people are dragging people down, say I mean the Graandma's

558
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: or whatever that don't usually tune in, don't want to

559
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: see why all these penalties?

560
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, there's already enough delays and enough elongated

561
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: breaks and halftimes and stuff in the Super Bowl. Right,

562
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: we don't need more. We don't need to pace being

563
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: slowed by a bunch of hankies on the turf. Totally

564
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: seven punts for Seattle, three hundred and thirty five yards

565
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: an average of fifty five. Wow, three of those seven

566
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Speaker 2: inside the twenty. And you know what, even though still

567
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: because again it's not like Seattle's offense. They were able

568
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Speaker 2: to do enough to matriculate the ball into scoring range

569
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: to get points. Yeah, but it's not like Seattle's offense

570
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: was a legion's better than New England's. No. Bryce Bringer,

571
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: the Patriots punter two eight punts three hundred in fifty

572
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: six yards an average of fifty five. As well, he had.

573
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: A great game.

574
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Speaker 2: Four of his eight we were inside the twenties. So

575
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean both punters doing their jobs.

576
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: Patriots Patriots defense of special teams played well enough to win.

577
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: They have no listen, it's a super Bowl, it's a

578
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: team game. They're all going to be devastated. But like,

579
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Speaker 2: those guys have no reason to hang their head. No,

580
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: they they absolutely do not. And I know we mentioned

581
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Speaker 2: his name, but Christian Gonzales might be towards the top

582
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Speaker 2: of that list. I thought player on the field, I

583
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: thought he was. I thought he was very good and

584
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: like directly took some points off the board for Seattle.

585
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Milton Williams as well.

586
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: Williams was great.

587
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: I mean they that's a legit group. Now, my one

588
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: criticism of the Patriots defense was you mentioned Kenneth Walker.

589
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: Their tackling was so so and they I'm sure their

590
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: time possession was bad. I didn't even look at the

591
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: box score, but I mean they were out there a bunch,

592
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: and they're always are jitters early in the games. But

593
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: their tackling was so so. And I'm not picking on him.

594
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: But this is another thing Dale and I have harped on. SPA.

595
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: Lane's easy to root for, don't get me wrong. You

596
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: know he's got the big neck and it was in

597
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: a meadhead and you know he's a banger and you.

598
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: Know body Layser's body on the line. It wasn't the

599
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: five star big school guy.

600
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: Remember when he hit Henry and yeah, that's great, but

601
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: Walker beat him to the edge every time, every time,

602
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 3: you know, I mean that's you gotta be able to run. Yeah,

603
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: and their linebackers aren't very fast.

604
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: No, and that is something that you highlighted on on Friday. Yeah,

605
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: twenty first downs for Seattle, eighteen for New England. Neither

606
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: team was great on possession downs. We didn't have a

607
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: single This was one of the prop bet things that

608
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: my wife was tracking for her company. Okay, the whole

609
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: time she was asking me, has there been a fourth

610
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: down attempt yet? I don't know it was there was

611
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: not a single.

612
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: One for you.

613
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: And two point conversion because that was another propect they

614
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: had work and there was one of those later on.

615
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: My wife had fallen asleep by that point, so I

616
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: had to I had texted her and I was like,

617
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: just so you know, for the morning, for your work,

618
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: there wasn't a two there was a two point conversion.

619
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Speaker 3: Desperation time. I wasn't on top of all of those things.

620
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: But four of sixteen for Seattle on third down six

621
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: of fifteen, so to New England. Slightly better, but neither

622
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: team great there. Yeah, here's the real difference though, matt

623
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: seventy one plays for Seattle to sixty seven for New England,

624
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: only a four play difference.

625
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: That's not massive, and I'm sure a lot of them

626
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: thore were garbage time.

627
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: Thirty over thirty three minutes of possession for Seattle, just

628
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: twenty six forty nine for New England.

629
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: What's yards per play?

630
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: Yards per play four point seven for Seattle, four point

631
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: nine for New England, although I'm sure some of the

632
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: fourth Summer skew that, Like the Patriots had two hundred

633
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: and fifty two passing yards, but two hundred and twenty

634
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: of them were in the fourth quarter. Yeah, you know that,

635
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: that's the real on paper. When people go back ten

636
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: years from now, fifteen years from now, and they're, oh, man,

637
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: you know, I remember here. You know, then the next

638
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: young Wesley and young Matthews coming through the pipeline. Like

639
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: I remember everyone talking about how much Drake May struggled

640
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: in that Super Bowl sixty. Let's go back and look

641
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: at it. You would say, Okay, twenty seven to forty

642
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: three two hundred and ninety five yards. Yeah, the turnovers

643
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: were bad, but he had two touchdown.

644
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: Passes backed five times.

645
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: But like, of his two hundred and ninety five passing yards,

646
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: eighty five percent of them came in the fourth quarter,

647
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: kind of in garbage time. So that to me, at

648
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: that time of possession, I think played a factor. Certainly

649
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: because New England's defense, I think there was a a

650
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: little bit of it. And you know this, it's almost

651
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: the human element thing of as that game was still

652
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: kind not really but still technically in the balance in

653
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: the fourth.

654
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Speaker 3: Quarter offense, pun pun, punt, p punt.

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Speaker 2: Eventually you get to moralize and it's like, all right,

656
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Speaker 2: we can only hold this damn off from breaking for

657
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Speaker 2: so long.

658
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: And their defense doesn't go nearly as many players deep

659
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: as Seattle's. Like Seattle plays seventeen guys or whatever. I mean, Hall,

660
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: who had two sacks, yeah, would have been the MVP.

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Speaker 2: He's a rotational guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. On an earlier podcast, I compared him to like

663
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Speaker 3: Alex Highsmith. I'm like, on most teams he would be

664
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Speaker 3: like a high Smith, but on this team he just

665
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: plays a lot, but not more than the guys in

666
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Speaker 3: front of him. You know, like he's really really good.

667
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: He sure is. Ernest Jones played very well. Yeah, Emon

668
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Worry was all over the place. I mean that whole

669
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: secondary was was was on point. DeMarcus Lawrence doesn't get

670
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Speaker 2: a sack, but I thought still played well. Was still

671
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: LENTI same with Leonard Williams. Was was very noticeable. I mean, yeah,

672
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Speaker 2: they work in guys like boy A Mafe that you mentioned.

673
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's an impressively deep group. That's

674
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Speaker 2: one of the things we'll talk about a little bit

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Speaker 2: more here when we do building a Champion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in hour number two, I don't understand.

677
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: That that that depth certainly certainly played out for Seattle.

678
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: Like I said, they were just kind of able to

679
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: chip away, chip away, chip away. You look up at

680
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: six nothing, you look up, it's nine nothing, it's twelve nothing.

681
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: In the game's not out of hand, but it starts

682
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: to feel like, all right, New England's really in trouble here,

683
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: and then those turnovers start creeping in, and it was

684
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Speaker 2: it was Cyanorius see you later. Now.

685
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Speaker 3: Scheme had a lot to do with it, and they're

686
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Speaker 3: an extremely well coached defense. But I bet if we

687
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Speaker 3: were drafting from a pool of Patriot offensive players and

688
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: Seattle defensive players. In the top fifteen, there might be

689
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: May Stevenson, Henry or Hendrickson, Henderson Diggs maybe maybe. I

690
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: mean at least ten of the fifteen or Seahawks, and

691
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Speaker 3: some of them aren't even starters. I mean, they just

692
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: have better play. I mean sometimes it just comes down

693
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: to that, like our players are way better than yours.

694
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: They and it wasn't as noticeable when Seattle had the ball,

695
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: but New England and the ball, our players were way better.

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Speaker 2: They were looking stumped throughout the course of that game

697
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: on offense. New England was certainly let's take our last

698
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Speaker 2: break here when we come back on the other side.

699
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Speaker 2: We got to talk a little bit more about Kenneth Walker,

700
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl MVP, and we got talk a little

701
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: bit more specifically about Sam Darnold and kind of just

702
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Speaker 2: what this means for his legacy, how this continues to

703
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: kind of, I think, change the perception of these quarterbacks

704
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Speaker 2: who get drafted highly and don't have a lot of

705
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: success and get written off right away. We'll do that

706
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Speaker 2: to close down.

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Speaker 3: The first He's going to get tarnished a little bit

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Speaker 3: and probably more than it should.

709
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And again, I mean everyone's going to repeat

710
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Speaker 2: his numbers over the postseason, which were not good.

711
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Speaker 3: They weren't.

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Speaker 2: But it's also I mean it's his second year in

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Speaker 2: the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is much around him?

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Speaker 2: He does is not very good, doesn't have much around

716
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: him on that offense, two good running backs, but than that.

717
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: Pass catchers and no line is problematic, and their whole

718
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: off season should be dedicated to those things.

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Speaker 2: If people want to sell Drake maystock, I'll go ahead

720
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Speaker 2: and buy it. No, I'm buying it because I think

721
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Speaker 2: he's now.

722
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Speaker 3: I may have sold its week eighteen prices.

723
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Speaker 2: That's right, we sold it all before the MVP ballots. Yeah,

724
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Speaker 2: we'll close down the first hour talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: more about Sam Darnold, Kenneth Walker. Some legacies now that

726
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Speaker 2: have changed on the Seattle sidelines after crowning themselves Super

727
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: Bowl sixty champions last night. We'll do that to close

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Speaker 2: down the first hour of the show. Williamson Steelers Nation

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Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: You are tuned about Drive on your twenty four to

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Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Super Bowls change legacies, Championships change legacies. Oh, yeah, yeah,

733
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: in any sport. We all know these sports are team sports,

734
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: and individual accolades still matter and all those things, but

735
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: it is the championships. It is the rings on the

736
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: finger that ultimately change you legacy that really cement the

737
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: whole goal is the parade, Matt, I understand that a

738
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Speaker 2: lot of times we are guilty when we talk about like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: who do you think was better? This is a pop

740
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: this was This was a popular this whole offseason in summer.

741
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: This was a popular Steelers fan, you know, sitting at

742
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: the bar, conversation Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger. Who's better?

743
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: Right?

744
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: And one of the things you immediately go to is

745
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: championships probably first.

746
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: It is the first thing on your mind, and then

747
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Speaker 3: you go from there.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you ask football fans, who's the greatest

749
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Speaker 2: quarterback of all time? Tom Brady, duh, why seven championships?

750
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Speaker 2: It's not because it's not because he threw for this

751
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: many yards or he is he did all this, and

752
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: that it all comes down to championships and resume. While

753
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: other things matter on that legacy, certainly that is number one, which.

754
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Speaker 3: Is massively unfair A lot of the time, a lot

755
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: of the time.

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00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but I also understand that when you are

757
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: splitting hairs between guys as great as Tom Brady and

758
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: Dan Marino, right, that's the difference.

759
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: That's a difference.

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00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you know between Drew Brees and Philip Rivers

761
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: that that goes a long, long way. It is not

762
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: the end all be all, because then we'd all be

763
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Speaker 2: saying that Nick Foles is a better quarterback than Dan Marino,

764
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 2: which which no one's saying Jalen Hurts is a better

765
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: quarterback than Dan Marino. No one's saying. No one's saying

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00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: Eli was as good as Peyton just because they have

767
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: the same amount of Super Bowl rings. But it obviously

768
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: plays a factor.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's a huge factor. But I also think it's

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00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: more determined and that's all the right word. But in

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00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: the like the NBA, you know, there's only five guys

772
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: on the field, I can I can give the ball

773
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: to Jordan with three seconds left, you know, like, and

774
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: for quarterbacks, yes, but if Will Campbell can't block for me, true,

775
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But for like, I would

776
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: think the most weight in the NBA legacy with championship.

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Speaker 2: I agree, because you're on you have the biggest piece of.

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00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: That pie, right, and you play it's a forty forty

779
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: eight minutes.

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00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: Or forty eight minute game. Lebron James is playing four

781
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: two minutes out of yeah, yeah, you know, Paul Skens

782
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: is pitching once every couple of games. Sidney Crosby's playing

783
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: a third of the game, you know, whereas Lebron and these.

784
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: Hairs comes up every nine exactly time, you still lose

785
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: exactly right.

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Speaker 2: But I do think for quarterbacks it's no one, uh

787
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: you know.

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00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: The quarterbacks are high in the list in terms of that.

789
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Speaker 2: When you talk about Rod Woodson and Revis and these guys,

790
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: no one really brings up. But they won a Super Bowl, you.

791
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 3: Know, like that's nice when their Hall of Fame ballt

792
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: comes up, but it doesn't keep them out.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's more. I feel like it's more

794
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: of a quarterback conversation, specifically in football, which.

795
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 3: Does make sense. They touched the ball every play most guy.

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00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, And that's what man last last night

797
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: I think changed it. I don't think. I know it

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00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: changed everything for Sam Darnold and again and kind of

799
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: a recurring theme, but I think this might be the

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00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: greatest example that we've seen of it. Yeah, we know

801
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: the Ryan Tannehill stories, the Geno Smith stories. You know,

802
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: we've even seen it to a lesser extent, guy like

803
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, things like that, But the kind of you know,

804
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: just because a quarterback comes into the NFL and quote

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00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: unquote fails at their first stop or maybe even their

806
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: second and several stops, right, doesn't mean that they are

807
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: spare parts. Doesn't mean that there's nothing there. And I

808
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: think Sam Darnold and what Seattle was able to do

809
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: aggressively going out and identifying him as we talked about

810
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the show, to kind of get

811
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: us out of this mushy middle, that's the guy that

812
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: can help take us over the top.

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Speaker 3: Because Gino was coming off a good year. He was

814
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: coming off a good ye know, it was terrible with

815
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: the Raiders, but he was really good with the last

816
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: couple of years. That was not an easy decision to

817
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: just be like, we're gonna move on from.

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00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: This guy, especially for the Sam Darnold that had the

819
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: proverbial this guy can't get you over the hump, he

820
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: can't win big games. He's good in the regular season,

821
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: but then in the big moments he sees ghosts. Right,

822
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: everybody remembers that.

823
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Speaker 3: He was really good for the like except for those

824
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: last two games. He was really bad.

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Speaker 2: Right against the Lions and the Rams when you needed

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Speaker 2: it most may He also led the league in turnovers

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Speaker 2: this year and this year exactly where I was going

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00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: the big story coming into the playoffs for Seattle. Let's

829
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Speaker 2: not forget it was obviously Sam Darnold and can he

830
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: do enough? But can he get the turnovers out of

831
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Speaker 2: his game where he led all players in the NFL

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00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: with twenty of them in the regular season and then

833
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: had zero in the postseason, not just in the Super Bowl,

834
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Speaker 2: in the postseason, and big shout out to you for

835
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 2: bringing this up. The Seattle Seahawks made history first Super

836
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: Bowl champion to win the Super Bowl without committing a

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Speaker 2: turnover in the entire postseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 2: Seattle played the Niners, play the Rams, and then the

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Speaker 2: Patriots three games not a single turnover, not an interception,

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Speaker 2: not a fumble, nothing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even if you were to buy it's still

843
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: three game stretch, you know, without ever turning the ball over.

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Speaker 2: Against the best teams, good defenses.

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Speaker 3: Games on the line. Yeah, high tense high intensity situations,

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00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: and frankly, I think coach Tomlin be pretty proud of

847
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: what we saw last night. No win the turnover battle,

848
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: don't turn the ball over, win on in the margins,

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Speaker 3: special teams, things like that, don't take negative plays, which

850
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: Darnold did well. We mentioned that earlier. His sack avoidance

851
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: was really really big too. And those aren't box scores numbers,

852
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: and play great defense and like some of those things

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00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: so whole true.

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00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: You know, yes they do. Yeah, as does run in

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00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: the football.

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00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And that's one distinct advantage that Seattle had on offense.

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Speaker 2: It's not like they were gashing the Patriots. Kenneth Walker

859
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: got tackled at or behind the line of scrimmage plenty

860
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: of times, but he had the couple explosives. If that,

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00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: if that holding penalty wouldn't have negated that touchdown, we'd

862
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: really be talking about about those explosives. But Kenneth Walker

863
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: Super Bowl MVP, now in line for a pretty big

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Speaker 2: payday this offseason two.

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Speaker 3: M Now I wonder if they'll franchise him. I haven't

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Speaker 3: heard any rumors that they will, but running backs aren't crazy.

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Speaker 3: Expanse of Breese Hall is also coming up. This year Walker,

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00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: he had some lev Bell moments.

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Speaker 2: You know, stop said that even mentioned I forget which

870
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: one actually said Lef Bell by name.

871
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had some of that. His acceleration, his long

872
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: speed is phenomenal. I don't know if they did it

873
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: on purpose, but this was a lot of talk in

874
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: the fantasy circles throughout the season was we're not going

875
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: to overwork him because we want to save the best

876
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 3: for last. Because they alsoid charbon ag Shure, who's a really,

877
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: really good player. But I don't think that's why they

878
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: did it. I think why they did it is Walker's

879
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: terrible in past protection.

880
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: And he's not great catching the ball the ball, which

881
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: is wild when you combine both of those things. He

882
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: just became the first running back since Terrell Davis to

883
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl MVP.

884
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah right right. I mean I heard it on a

885
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: podcast since the game, but I think he had like

886
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: two snaps of pass blocking like he was in the game.

887
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: Don't trust him in that regard.

888
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: He's very Derek Henry, although he doesn't look like Derek,

889
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: you know, so I wonder what that's worth. But there

890
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: aren't many better ball carriers on the planet right now.

891
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: No there are not. And you and I talked about

892
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: this last week. He was actually Pro Football Focus's highest

893
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: graded running back throughout the regular sea as a ball

894
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: as a ball carrier, yes, and so he I tell

895
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: you what I mean, he was a big factor in

896
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: their success. Twenty seven carries one hundred and thirty five

897
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: yards three explosive runs if you count it that way,

898
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting to see what they do with

899
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: him in the off seas.

900
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: He's a busiying to hit. The explosives are super key. Man,

901
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 3: keep I'm gonna drive that down. Listeners, roads, keep comlosives.

902
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: Keep coming back to that something that you've been harping

903
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: on since July August. But now, I mean, these were

904
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: the two best teams in the NFL throughout the seventeen

905
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: game regular season at hitting and limiting explosives one and

906
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: two in terms of differential Seahawks were plus forty, Patriots

907
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: were plus thirty nine.

908
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: Pretty good.

909
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: The Rams and the Broncos the other final fourteen we're

910
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: both in the top five. And Matt, I think that

911
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: was without without those Kenneth Walker explosive runs, particularly the

912
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: early ones. Yeah, it's not nine, nothing different. It's not

913
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: nine nothing at halftime, right right, it's three nothing or

914
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: six nothing, and it's not twelve nothing. It's six nothing

915
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: or nothing.

916
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 3: J Big goes out and you probably still aren't moving

917
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 3: the ball, well if you're the Patriots, but at least

918
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: you're a bounce away from being in that thing.

919
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: You know. Last funny West stat for you before we

920
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: close down the first hour here. I sent this to

921
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: our buddy Mike Pursuda because I know he would be

922
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: proud speak of Kenneth Walker fan Michigan State. Yeah, yes,

923
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 2: of course.

924
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

925
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: And with that, Michigan State became just the eleventh university

926
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: to produce both a NBA Finals MVP and a Super

927
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: Bowl MVA. Magic Magic was the was the one. They

928
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: became just the eleventh.

929
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: Kind of shocking.

930
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: You would think it would be more or less eleven. Well,

931
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: there's eleven now with Michigan State. Eleventh.

932
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: I guess that's not a crazy number. Michigan State, there

933
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: was only sixties given away so far.

934
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: True. And when you think a lot of them were

935
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: won by the same persons.

936
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: Won a couple of them. Michigan won a couple of them.

937
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Eleven schools, Michigan State Arizona, Miami, Cal, Kansas, Louisville,

938
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: u C l A, Florida State, Grambling State, Navy, and

939
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: the first who ever did it? The world champion West

940
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Virginia University Mountaineers. Yeah, baby, Jerry westn.

941
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: Chuck Callie stands.

942
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: Out there, certainly does it. Navy a little bit too.

943
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: But when you say about and Robinson.

944
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I wouldn't know the basketball on as well.

945
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: But some of them are obvious, like Magic Johnson's a

946
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: pretty pretty obvious. Kansas was Kansas was Wilt and sayersl Sayers,

947
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: So some of those are a little bit easier. Arizona

948
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: was the most recent one to do it before Michigan

949
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: State and with Nick Foles.

950
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: He didn't a Super Bowl?

951
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: Was it Gilsairs? Maybe you're right?

952
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: Their first Super Bowl was eighty five? Oh yeah it

953
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: was a great.

954
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: But you're right. So who was it? Who was the

955
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 2: Kansas Jayhawk that won Super Bowl MVP? It doesn't matter,

956
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: but but yeah, just eleven I texted at the pursuit

957
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: of this morning, I was like, double check this for me.

958
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: But I spent some time.

959
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: I'll never come up with.

960
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: Grambling was uh ce TV?

961
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: Oh?

962
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: John Riggins was the Kansas one.

963
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I would not come up with that one.

964
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew it was a I knew

965
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: it was a I knew it was a running back

966
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: grambling was Doug Williams.

967
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah I got that one. Yeah.

968
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: So uh, just a fun little kind of west side

969
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: stat for you for you there, but had to had

970
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: to run that one by our buddy Mike Persuda with

971
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: with with Kenneth Walker becoming the becoming the m v

972
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: P and making Michigan. So it's funny. I had in

973
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: my notes, did that hold cost Kenneth? Like, while I'm

974
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 2: taking notes throughout the game, did that hole just cost

975
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker the m v P. I think so though,

976
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: I think to like getting back to our Hall of

977
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: Fame conversation, you know, it'd be hard to give it

978
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: to a special teams guy. Now if there were no

979
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: touchdowns that were scored in that game.

980
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 3: I thought about Hall, I thought about Witherspoon, I thought

981
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: about Murphy. Felt like it should have been a defensive

982
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 3: player haul in two sacks. Yeah, I mean Walker home

983
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: almost had one hundred yards the.

984
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: First half, and I don't know if there was one

985
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: Seattle defensive player that really stood out as like a

986
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: von Miller type Super Bowl performance.

987
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: So that would have been my vote to.

988
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was certainly interesting though it was down

989
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: the stretch there it was like, all right, where's this

990
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: going to go? With Super Bowl MVP?

991
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: This is terrible. But I mean like, almost as soon

992
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: as the game ended, I was psyched to watch the

993
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: new Game of Thrones series. I'm not watching this postseason stuff,

994
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: so I didn't know who the MVP was till like

995
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: ten thirty this morning. I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess.

996
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 2: I stayed up just to wait because I wanted to

997
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: text Persuito that stat for the morning show hour in

998
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: the books, Another hour to go and hour number two

999
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: building a Champion? How did Seattle do it? What can

1000
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: the Steelers learn from it? We'll get to some of

1001
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 2: your tweets. We'll also take a look at our first

1002
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: post Super Bowl mock draft, Matt Williams. Oh yeah, all

1003
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: that more an hour number two here on the Drive

1004
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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network