1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. Am Holly Fry and 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about the Heveliuses. This guy. Yeah. 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: I found it interesting that not a one of the 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: write ups I read even had a pause for a 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: moment of they would mention the age difference, but no 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: one would be like, yeah, that's a little bit messed up. Yeah, 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: they would be like they were thirty six years apart 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: in age, right, And I'm like, mm hmm, are we 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: going to acknowledge that that's a little that that's a 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: little weird, especially because she was a teenager. Yeah. I 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: feel like the last time this really came up on 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: the show was on the Stacanovite episode. Yeah, and we 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: had talked about their age difference and how young she was, 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: and a couple people got real mad about that, like 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: about that discussion, And it's like, yes, at other points 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: in history and in other parts of the world still, 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: including some parts of the United States, it still is 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: very common for people to get married really young. But 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: like that doesn't mean that it's normal really, right, Like 21 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: I tend to look at like the mean averages of 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: women's ages at marriage tables when I can, and like 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: the ones that I looked at when I was putting 24 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 1: this together all put the average marrying age for women 25 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: in Poland at that time, like twenty to twenty three. Yeah, 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: so she was squarely under that average. Sure, right, And 27 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: I think sometimes people will look instead at whether it 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: was legal, like what was the youngest legal age for 29 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: a person to legally get married, And a lot of 30 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: times that was way younger than the age that people 31 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: really did typically get married at, and people still saw 32 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: those really really like effectively child marriages as not typical 33 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: at best. Here's how it's my thinking on that. If 34 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: you have to invoke a law to be like is 35 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: this okay, Yeah, you're skirting some some you're right up 36 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: against like whether or not you should actually be doing that. Yeah, yeah, 37 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: that's just my opinion. Like we can put so much 38 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: context into things. The way that we think of childhood 39 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: and adolescence in the United States in the year twenty 40 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: twenty four is like really different from how societies viewed 41 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: childhood and adolescents hundreds of years ago. Yeah, but like 42 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: those of debservable power differences were still there even if 43 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: people thought of children and adolescents totally differently than how 44 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: we do now, even if there wasn't really a concept 45 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: of adolescence quite yet. Right, Well, and that definitely is 46 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: in play here, right, because we talked about like he 47 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: was famous already. Most I don't know if I should 48 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: say most, a lot of teenagers in the you know, 49 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: modern day, it's completely normal for them to be romantically 50 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: fixated in a parasocial way on a famous person. I 51 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: absolutely did this myself as a teenage. Almost everyone I 52 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: know had a crush on some famous person when they 53 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: were younger. Right, that's not unusual at all. But then 54 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: it's like if that teenager went and met that famous 55 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: person and said, I think you're great. I heard your 56 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: wife just died, even if that seems like they are 57 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: the pursuer, right, there's the onus at that point is 58 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: on the mature adult to go, like the adult, yeah that, yes, 59 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: that is true, and I really appreciate it. Maybe we 60 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: could reconnect again the years down the road. But like 61 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: it's not, it's just a little weird. Like I said, 62 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: they seemed like they were very, very happy together, and 63 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to like erase that or devalue that 64 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: in any way, but it is it started in a 65 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: very unusual way. Yeah, that you know was definitely like 66 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: right at the edge of social acceptability, and even writings 67 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: about it are kind of like, oh, this is crazy, 68 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: We're doing something crazy. So there's recognition that, like, it 69 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: wasn't maybe the most you know, it was not a 70 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: standard situation right at all. But I do like that, 71 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: you know, their whole story. I love this idea of 72 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: an astronomer that is independent enough to just be like, 73 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: I got money, I'll build a I'll build the conservatory. 74 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: That's cool. I love that part. And also we have 75 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: we didn't really get into this sort of pattern that 76 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: his life followed with both of his wives, where he 77 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to marry women who were like, yeah, 78 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: I can take on more than the average person. Yeah, 79 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: run the businesses. Like his first wife, Katerina was running 80 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: their businesses, which was right, not her job. Yeah, that 81 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: was not what she married into initially. Yeah, so he 82 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: was fortunate in that regard. Yeah, there are a lot 83 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: of scientists, like across the scientists for centuries who were 84 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: really only able to do their work because of women 85 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: in their lives, whether it was a wife or a 86 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: sister or a daughter with that person, not just like 87 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: keeping the household, doing things that were considered typical for women, 88 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: but like also taking the notes, doing the measurements, compiling data, 89 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: like all of this stuff, and sometimes those contributions aren't 90 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: actually noted anywhere unless you really really really read between 91 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: the lines, and sometimes not even then. So the acknowledgement here, 92 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: I like that we actually know more about her contributions. 93 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: Me too. And I there's one mention of her that 94 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: comes up in another write up that was like roughly 95 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: one hundred years later that is meant to be really 96 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: complimentary but manages to also be misogynist because it's like 97 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: she was one of the only women who was up 98 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: to the task of working alongside a man who was 99 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: an astronomer, and it's like, I know, you meant well here, dude. 100 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: But she also, as we said, was an outlier in 101 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: that she too was from a wealthy family, and yeah, 102 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: probably got more education than the average person. Like there 103 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: was definitely some circumstantial privilege and opportunity in her life 104 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: that most women would not have had. So it's easy 105 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: to say she was great and apparently everyone loved her. 106 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's telling that she and Edmund Halley were 107 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: buddies and they kept up a correspondence for a long time. 108 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: I think that's sweet. I like the idea that, you know, 109 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: they became good family friends, and I love all of that. 110 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: But I'm also like, oh, you don't want to make 111 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: it like she's the only woman that was ever capable 112 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: of it, Like we know otherwise, right. We talked about 113 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: Eustace the Monk this week. Sure did this is a 114 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: name that I stumbled across while doing the thing where 115 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out did anything happen on this 116 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: day in history that would be good Saturday Classic? And 117 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: there was a reference to Eustace the Monk being headed 118 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: at the Battle of Sandwich, and I thought that sounds interesting, 119 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: and I felt like this was the first time I 120 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: had ever heard of Eustace the Monk. That's not true, 121 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: because I also heard of Eustace the Monk years and 122 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: years ago when writing an episode about who the real 123 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Robin Hood is, which we're going to run as a 124 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: Saturday Classic. And then I not only did I forget 125 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: having come across the name Eustace the Monk, I forgot 126 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: I had written that whole episode happens to me all 127 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, yeah, I would have really been I 128 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: was very confident that it was an episode that predated 129 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: our time on the show. I knew it was an 130 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: episode that existed. No I wrote it. I wrote it 131 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: in something like twenty thirteen. Listen, after a decade, all 132 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: bets are off. Yeah, sure, it's not in our brains anymore. So. 133 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: A lot of this episode was very fun, and I 134 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: chose it because I thought it sounded fun, even though 135 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: sometimes pirates can be gruesomely violent. I was like, the 136 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: whole story of a monk that left the monastery to 137 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: become a pirate sounds like a potential source of a 138 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: lot of things that would be fun to talk about, 139 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: and it was. But then I also was like, oh, no, 140 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: I have to explain all of this dispute between England 141 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: and France and a bunch of royal drama, which is 142 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: just often not not my favorite, And in this case 143 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: it was one of those things where there were just 144 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: layers and layers and layers. I would think I had 145 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: gotten to the earliest thing that would needed to be explained, 146 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: and then I would realize there was some other earlier 147 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,479 Speaker 1: or adjacent thing that also needed to be explained, including 148 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: how Arthur wound up being fostered at French Court, and 149 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: that really was I was like, this is a whole other, 150 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: convoluted story. It's not actually related to this episode. If 151 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: I try to explain it, it's gonna be a whole 152 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: additional digression. So I had gotten through all that part 153 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: and I had moved on to the actual piracy stuff, 154 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: which was back to being generally more fun. But then 155 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: I was like, now wait, now I have to explain 156 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: the Magna Carta. It was not expecting to need to 157 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: explain the Magna Carta along with all of this English 158 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: and French royal disputes and warfare. Even with all that, 159 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: it was still fun, though I always crack up anytime 160 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: the story of Reynard the Fox is mentioned on the 161 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: show Huh, because this is the silliest name of all time. 162 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: It is very silly, Fox the Fox, Fox the Yeah, 163 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: which actually that would be a great name for a band, 164 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: Fox the Fox. I wonder if there is a band 165 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: called Fox the Fox. Surely there is. I also, in 166 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: thinking about Eustace, he reminds me so much of the 167 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Oh sure, sure, especially once it 168 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: gets into the magic, where it's like, if you took 169 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: all that out, you can be like, yeah, this is 170 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: a guy that had a wild life and it's like, 171 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: wait he did what now? Yeah? Yeah, So much of 172 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: the things they come up in the romance are just 173 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: like they're the kinds of things that happen all over 174 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: medieval literature, and so you know, there's just like we 175 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: talked about and kind of cracked up over in a 176 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: part that we had to get our act together and 177 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: get back to recording. There's just a lot of coarse humor, 178 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: including lots of farting. Some of it reminded me of 179 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: things like the Canterbury Tales and how like some of 180 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: the Canterbury Tales are pretty lude and that is the 181 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: case of some of the Eustace the Monk stuff. This, 182 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, it reminded me of so many different 183 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: things that we've talked about on the show before, or 184 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: that you know, I'd studied in college literature classes that 185 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: are still kind of hilarious and silly and maybe a 186 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: little juvenile in terms of the level of humor. Yeah, 187 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: I also have an association that is very silly. I 188 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: don't know that it would also ping with you. But 189 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: anytime we discuss the Battle of Sandwich, I think about 190 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: the Futurama episode where Fry gets worms from eating a 191 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: truck stop sandwich, right, and those worms make him very 192 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: smart and strong, and then through technological shrinking he's able 193 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: to go into his own and have a thing. But 194 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: the best part is the worm king, who says, you 195 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: think you can get rid of me, My family came 196 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: over on the sandwich. And that's what I think of 197 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: anytime there's any sandwich related battle mention. That is probably 198 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: the first time, the first thing I think of anytime 199 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: anyone mentions that entire show. Really not not Jurassic Bark, 200 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: which is one of the most painful things of all time. 201 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: That's like the runner up. Who is one or the 202 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: other of those two things? What an incredibly smart writer's room. Yeah, 203 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: and now there's new Futurama in case anybody didn't know, 204 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: I have not seen it on Hulus has a new 205 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: season of it. I'm always here for more Futurama all day, 206 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: every day. That entire voice. There are things that tres 207 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: McNeil does in her various characters that she does that 208 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: even now, watching the show years and years later from 209 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: when it first came out will just strike me in 210 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: a new way and tickle me to death, and I 211 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: will fall into fits of giggles, like I am a 212 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: seven year old and I love it. I love it. Yeah, 213 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: it's all for Futurama. My family came over on the sandwich. 214 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: That's all I got. This episode also reminded me of 215 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: how many years ago we talked about how it would 216 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: be cool if there was a website that you could 217 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: just put in a year and it would tell you 218 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: if England was at war with France. And then two 219 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: different listeners of the podcast each made websites to do 220 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: that very thing. I don't know if either of them 221 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: is still active, because I did not check before coming 222 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: in here. And this was many, many, many many years 223 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: ago at this point. But yeah, yeah, the many, many 224 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: centuries of warfare between England and France. Things that you 225 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: could explain forever in an episode about a pirate. Yeah, 226 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: that's you know, full of stuff that isn't one hundred 227 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: percent substantiatable. Yeah, which is a new word I maybe 228 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: just made up, But I think it's fine. I always 229 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: kind of love these because even if those things can't 230 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: be substantiated, what that document, that story does is tell 231 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: us a lot about the writer and perceived audience of 232 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: that work. Oh sure, And so that becomes historically significant 233 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: in its own way, where he's like, you know, you 234 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: know what I got to do to really make people 235 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: pay attention to this black magic? And then he talked 236 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: with the devil. Yeah, months in an underground chamber, talking 237 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: directly to the devil. Yeah. So he was incredibly infamous 238 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: during his lifetime and for a bit afterward. And I 239 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: don't know when he became less of a well known figure, 240 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: but I found a couple of things that had been 241 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: written in the nineteenth century that were like, Yeah, this 242 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: guy's really obscure now. He used to be so famous. 243 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how long he had been really obscure 244 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: now by that point, though, Those instances of people who 245 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: were once famous and are now obscure are also to 246 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: me just a good mental leveler of anxiety, because it 247 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: just reminds me that no matter what thing is going 248 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: on in my life or the world that I'm getting 249 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: very worked up over, people are going to forget it. 250 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: It's not that important. Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously we 251 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: want to fight Injustice still, but you know, like various 252 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: other little bickery things, it doesn't matter. It's all fine. 253 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: People will forget. I think he is a character in 254 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: a mobile version of an Assassin's Creed game that I 255 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: never played because it existed before I had been really 256 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: introduced to that whole franchise and is no longer something 257 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: that you can get or play anymore, because you know, 258 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: it was made to run on obsolete iPhones and is 259 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: no longer in the app store. Right, It's possible somebody 260 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: has made an emulator of it or something somewhere. I 261 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: didn't look that hard, but there was an Assassin's Creed 262 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: Pirates that Eustace the Monk is in. Yeah. Anyway, whatever's 263 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: happening on your weekend, there's video games involving pirates or 264 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: maybe actual pirates, hopefully only in a fun way, or 265 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, if you got to work. I hope everybody's 266 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: great to you. We will be back with a Saturday 267 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: Classic tomorrow, which I think is going to be that 268 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: episode on who the Real Robin Hood was that I 269 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: forgot I wrote, and then we'll be back with a 270 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: brand new episode on Monday. Stuff you Missed in History 271 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: Class is a production of iHeartRadio. 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