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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Kremlin spokesman Dimitri Paskoff says Trump's

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Speaker 1: foreign policy largely coincides with our vision. Really, I'm shocked.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. The

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Project z own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk's actual motives for hanging around the Capitol constantly.

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Speaker 2: Owen, Molly, We're gonna have a special excerpt from our

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel with former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, and he's

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Speaker 2: going to tell us all about why Trump's economic moves

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Speaker 2: are going to go very very badly form.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk to Wisconsin Democrat Chair Ben Wickler about

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Speaker 1: democratic messaging.

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Speaker 3: But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, Elon is now saying we need to withdraw

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Speaker 2: from not just NATO but the UN as well. I say,

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Speaker 2: why the fuck should we care what he thinks?

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Speaker 1: Oh? No, well, look, I mean should we care? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: We should not care. But here's the thing, and I

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Speaker 1: think this is pretty relevant and important. Donald Trump seems

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Speaker 1: if we don't want obviously for the for America to

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Speaker 1: leave NATO. It has been you know, especially because like

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Speaker 1: NATO is paying more of their you know, the security money,

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Speaker 1: I mean Trump's complaints, they're actually doing what Trump is

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Speaker 1: asking them to do. So for Trump to leave now

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Speaker 1: would just mean that he just wants to which again,

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Speaker 1: as we've seen, he's very mercurial and he behaves in

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Speaker 1: would not make any sense and it would not make

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Speaker 1: maybe why they would. And also I want to add,

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Speaker 1: like at this point, after the Friday's Lens meeting, we've

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Speaker 1: really seen a lot of anti American sentiment out of

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Speaker 3: So the idea that now they would leave.

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Speaker 1: This what is arguably the most successful treaty in modern

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Speaker 3: I hope they don't.

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Speaker 1: Again, this is like where we put someone in as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. So the one thing that is giving

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Speaker 2: me a little hope in this week of extreme fuckery

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Speaker 2: is Trump is getting a little bit of pushback from

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Speaker 2: the normal sick Offhance's party, like Senator Jim Langford about

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Speaker 2: the way he treated Zelenski.

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Speaker 1: There clearly are a few people in the Senate, and

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Speaker 1: they are Mitch McConnell, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and James

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Speaker 1: does that mean that all of Trum's cabinet nominees have

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Speaker 1: combination of the two has given Donald Trump basically a

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Speaker 1: Zelensky is rightly concerned that Putin has violated every single

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Speaker 1: agreement he's ever signed and can't be trusted again. That

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Speaker 1: remember that after that Oval Office meeting, we saw there's

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Speaker 1: they sort of COVID lockdowns were worse than COVID in

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Speaker 1: this is so pathetic. I'm asking for the most pathetic

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Speaker 2: it happened on Friday night. He called social Security a

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you pay into it and you get

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Speaker 1: But Elon Musk has it absolutely in his crosshairs, and

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Speaker 1: Just not thinking clearly and taking a chainsaw to the

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Speaker 1: federal government. And also on stage, I have a late

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Speaker 1: the staunch leadership of one Robert F.

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Speaker 1: So this week the FDA can from the cancelation of

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Speaker 1: question the motives behind the decision. I think it's worth

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Speaker 1: Measles which was eradicated but is now back because of

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Speaker 1: you'll remember that Elon has cut these funding grants and

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Speaker 1: or canceling twice now a meeting of the flu vaccine. Look,

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Speaker 1: we if we get the flu, it will be no

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Speaker 1: the blood will be on the hands of Robert F.

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Speaker 1: look at what happened in American Samoa.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Smiley. One of the things I think gets us

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Speaker 2: accountable for much of his fuckery, and that is held

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Speaker 2: an example of him taking the seized boxes back to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Trump is taking those boxes back to Florida. Someday

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Speaker 1: they'll be part of the Trump Presidential Library, which will

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Speaker 1: be in a McDonald's. I actually think that the big

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Speaker 1: problem with this sort of resistance to Trump is in

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Speaker 3: Wealthy white man get away with it.

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Speaker 1: They always have, and I take no pleasure in reporting

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Speaker 1: that they may always get away with that. This may

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Speaker 1: be how it is in this country, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: history of white men getting away with unimaginable things. Look,

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Speaker 1: no one is going to rescue us. Voters are going

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and

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Speaker 1: the host of the Enemy's List. Welcome back to Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, Only.

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Speaker 4: John Fast Happy Sunday as we record this to you.

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Speaker 3: Happy Monday.

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Speaker 4: Monday as y'all and the listening audience listen to this.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you're driving to work and Rick and I

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Speaker 1: are here to make sense of it all.

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Speaker 3: Richard's man in the world.

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Speaker 1: Bathrooms in public parks because he needs that tax cut.

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Speaker 4: Discuss Look all of this bs about wave, fraud, waste,

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Speaker 4: and abuse Elon Musk from the federal tax cut that

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Speaker 4: he will receive if the White if the if the

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Speaker 4: House passes their tax bill. They claim they found about

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Speaker 4: and it's really like sixty or something less than that,

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Speaker 4: probably even lower than that.

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Speaker 3: A lot of bitest stuff that was expired along, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, contracts have already led all that stuff. Anyway, let's

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Speaker 4: say they found two hundred billion dollars. Elon Musk will

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Speaker 4: looking for fraud, waste, and abuse, maybe we shouldn't pass

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Speaker 4: a tax cut for dickheads.

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Speaker 1: Yes, fraud, wasted abuse. So you're the richest man in

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Speaker 1: the world. Okay, not a little, but by a lot. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you have billions of dollars, You have multiple children by many, many.

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Speaker 4: There were eight of us in a little microscopically sized

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Speaker 4: I think you just said something interesting that I think

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Speaker 4: He doesn't like anything that is regulatory towards any of

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Speaker 4: his massive corporate interests. With Musk being the biggest titty

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Speaker 4: he has received more money from the federal government from

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Speaker 3: Yes, so let's just talk about it. This weekend.

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Speaker 3: And stopping having them too.

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Speaker 1: More coming, right, I mean they want to cut eight

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is pretty fascinating. So look, you and I

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Speaker 1: Carville says the best thing Democrats can do is nothing. Now,

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Speaker 4: What happened in twenty seventeen and eighteen is that people

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Speaker 4: That is a simple construct. Look, I love James, but

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Speaker 1: Well, what about during the cabinet meeting when Elon was like,

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Speaker 3: Like the world would be on.

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Speaker 4: The whole thing is such hot garbage. And again I

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Well, if we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: And he also cuts things he doesn't like. I think

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Speaker 4: Right, So when he goes out and says, well, AI

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Speaker 3: Nobody's getting any checks.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I watch c SPAN because

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Speaker 4: My fiance's favorite sweatshirt is se Span and chill.

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Speaker 1: So I was watching the hearing of the There's a person,

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Speaker 3: You know, this is the cabinet.

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Speaker 1: This is the administration for the billionaires, by the billionaires,

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Speaker 4: Well, they are very wealthy, and yet they are also

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Speaker 4: a proof point that just being a billionaire doesn't make

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Speaker 4: They do live in a different world Molly. They don't

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Speaker 4: I have said this now probably forty eight different ways.

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Speaker 4: And I know and you know what's going on right now?

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Speaker 1: But it's also a lie, right like what we saw.

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Speaker 1: needed to be. It didn't help anyone.

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Speaker 4: The hard fact underneath all of this Molly is they

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Speaker 4: don't care. Everyone in that room, with a couple of

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Speaker 4: the idiot exceptions, knew what they were doing. The White

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Speaker 4: House planned this, they knew the harm it would cause,

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Speaker 4: America's reputation in the world, and they didn't care because

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Speaker 4: that's what Trump wanted from them. They are not about

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Speaker 4: America or their constitutional oath. They are about making that

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Speaker 4: more unhappy.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 1: I actually think, and I love you, but I actually

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Speaker 1: think you're wrong. People have been saying this that they

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Speaker 1: planned it, but I don't think they planned it. I

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Speaker 1: think everyone told Zelensky how to behave the same way

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Speaker 1: that they told maccrone, the same way that they told

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Speaker 1: kier how to behave. Right, they said, this is what

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Speaker 1: you do. You go in there, you suck up to him.

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Speaker 1: I think Zelensky has always been very obstreperous, and remember

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Speaker 1: we had reporting that he had been very tough with

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Speaker 1: Biden too, right, he felt he could kind of boss

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Speaker 1: Biden around.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to add that again.

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Speaker 1: I think what they did was appalling, But I'm just saying, like,

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Speaker 1: I think Zelensky went in there and was like, I

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Speaker 1: want a security guarantee and sort of thought he could

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Speaker 1: get it. And then JD. Vance was like, I'll out

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Speaker 1: Trump Trump and let's go. People want to at all

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Speaker 1: times give Donald Trump more credit than he probably deserves.

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Speaker 4: I will say this, there was no scenario where Zelensky

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Speaker 4: walked in that office and there's another reporting about the

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Speaker 4: White House staff like this is going to be great.

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Speaker 4: We've got in said they knew what was coming, they

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Speaker 4: planned this.

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Speaker 1: But they wanted to sign this deal. I mean they

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Speaker 1: thought they were making a deal.

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Speaker 4: You know what. I have a theory of the case

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Speaker 4: on the deal that they don't give a fuck about

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Speaker 4: the deal. The deal was an excuse for them to

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Speaker 4: blow this up. Because if you want to go and

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Speaker 4: get the same quantity of rare minerals, we'll go to

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Speaker 4: make a deal in Chile or Ecuador or Argentina. It

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Speaker 4: was a lot of stuff closer to home less problematic.

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Speaker 4: This was always an excuse, not a reason.

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Speaker 1: In my view, certainly possible. Thank you, Rick Wilson every time.

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Speaker 4: I'll see you next week. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Ben Wickler is the chairperson of the Wisconsin Democrats. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back too Fast Politics.

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Speaker 3: Ben.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Milli, it's great to be back with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you here because I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: a lot about the way in which Democrats engage with

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Speaker 1: normal people. And you are in Wisconsin and you have

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Speaker 1: had great success and then also a band cycle with

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Speaker 1: interacting with normal people on the ground in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: So we first kind of get us up to speed.

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Speaker 1: What's Wisconsin like right now and what are you looking at.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting because Wisconsin is the first state that

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Speaker 5: actually has a state wide election in this new Trump era.

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Speaker 5: Last fall, we had the highest turnout in the country,

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Speaker 5: and that's because Republican turnout rose everywhere. Wisconsin was one

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Speaker 5: of the few states where Democratic turnout went up also,

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Speaker 5: and so we had more Democratic voters for Harris than

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Speaker 5: we did for Biden in most counties, rural areas, suburbs, cities.

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Speaker 5: We had more young people voted for Harris than for

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Speaker 5: Biden in Wisconsin. It's just that there's even more turnout

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Speaker 5: on the Republican side. So there's a kind of a

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Speaker 5: fever pitch of energy here. And now on April first,

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Speaker 5: we have a state Supreme Court election, and we're getting

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Speaker 5: our first taste of what politics is like in this

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Speaker 5: new Trump era. And what we're seeing is on our side.

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Speaker 5: After a kind of period of grieving and somewhat like

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Speaker 5: curling up pine fetal position among Democrats, people are back

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Speaker 5: out knocking on doors in the snow, and on the

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Speaker 5: Republican side, Elon Musk is now personally flooding the zone

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Speaker 5: with millions of dollars of his money to like Brad Shimmel,

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Speaker 5: who's the maga can it for State Supreme Court against

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Speaker 5: Susan Crawford, who's the kind of like common sense, fair

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Speaker 5: minded judge who's running for Supreme Court that we're supporting,

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Speaker 5: And it feels like a proxy for the national site,

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Speaker 5: like are we going to have laws in this country

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Speaker 5: or we're going to have judges who actually the out

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Speaker 5: pay attention to what the constitution says? Will the public

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Speaker 5: get to choose who our leaders are or will this

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Speaker 5: basically a Trump Musk plutocracy or kleptocracy or whatever kind

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Speaker 5: of autography if you want to call it.

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Speaker 1: So Mosk has donated a lot to the race and

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Speaker 1: then also has a pack, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's doing it all through his own vehicle. So

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Speaker 5: he has super called building America's future that I think

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Speaker 5: is like two point six million so far at two

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Speaker 5: million through America Pack.

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Speaker 4: I might have those reverse.

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Speaker 5: He added one of another million dollars in tv ads yesterday.

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Speaker 5: At the moment we're recording this, and it doesn't seem

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Speaker 5: like it's stopping. He tweeted about the race three times yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Who is over two hundred and thirty million. I still

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Speaker 5: call it Twitter Twitter followers. He's frenetically attacking social security

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Speaker 5: and healthcare and trying to freeze cancer research and all

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Speaker 5: that stuff. At the same time, he has enough time

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Speaker 5: to try to buy the judiciary by trying to install

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Speaker 5: Brad Schimmel, the mega judge in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: One of the things about Trump was that he was

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Speaker 1: not very focused on elections that weren't his, and he

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Speaker 1: got people out for this twenty twenty four election in

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Speaker 1: ways we hadn't seen, perhaps because they just were sort

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Speaker 1: of these low frequency voters who maybe had never voted

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Speaker 1: or weren't planning on voting, but voted for him.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Elon can get.

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Speaker 1: Those people out for a judge election.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's exactly the question. So Brad Schimmel is the

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Speaker 5: former Republican attorney general in the state. He's been part

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Speaker 5: of the kind of mega wing of politics for a while.

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Speaker 5: He's very clear that his goal is not to persuade people.

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Speaker 5: It's to turn out hardcore Republican voters, to turn out

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Speaker 5: Trump supporters who might vote. And on our side, Susan

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Speaker 5: Crawford the kind of judge the people across the political

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Speaker 5: spectrum used to vote for it. Now there's still some

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Speaker 5: slice of kind of moderate Republicans who are horrified by

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Speaker 5: especially by what they're seeing now with must just like

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Speaker 5: defunding medical research and.

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Speaker 3: The NIH Fund, yeah.

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Speaker 5: And iah, Yeah, huge cuts to universities in Wisconsin that like,

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Speaker 5: so many people here are directly affected by this. We

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Speaker 5: just got a breaking newslayer today that the VA had

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Speaker 5: laid off disabled veterans who were working on buying veterans

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Speaker 5: benefits in Wisconsin. That's happening in real time today. And

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Speaker 5: so that guy coming in and buying the State Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court that repels people too. And on our side, like

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Speaker 5: we have to just make sure that anyone who doesn't

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Speaker 5: like what they're seeing from DC turns out and votes

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Speaker 5: for Susan Crawford to make sure that the State Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court doesn't become a rubber stamp for this kind of

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Speaker 5: internal coup that's operating nationally. The other big fight on

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Speaker 5: this is and this is sort of feeded from the

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Speaker 5: national spotlight, but we had an abortion ban here for

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Speaker 5: four hundred and fifty one days. It was written in

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Speaker 5: eighteen forty nine, before modern medicine. Brad Schimmel like talked

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Speaker 5: about how there's nothing wrong with that law and there's

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Speaker 5: no constitutional right to abortion in our state. This is

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Speaker 5: something that's going to be decided by the state Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: There was actually a case when Red Shimbal was Attorney general.

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Speaker 5: He went after Planned Parenthood and Planned Parenthood hired as

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Speaker 5: its lawyer Susan Crawford. There's a case in Wisconsin called

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Speaker 5: the Plan Parentood versus Brad Shimmel. And that question also

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Speaker 5: one of the big defining questions in this in the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court race, which is will people vote for freedom

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Speaker 5: in this moment as they did in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: And if you look at the Republican ads, they're just

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Speaker 5: driving fear. It's like fear of crime, crime, crime, crime,

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Speaker 5: fear for fear. And Jimble doesn't have a great record

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Speaker 5: on that either, but his but that's the that's the card.

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Speaker 1: That's yes, what does it look like on the ground

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Speaker 1: when you talk to people, I mean Trump is sort

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Speaker 1: of starting to dip in the polls. Elon is very

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Speaker 1: unpopular polling wise. But is there a disconnect, Like Elon

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Speaker 1: is doing these ads against this Wisconsin judge. Do people

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Speaker 1: understand that it's Elon? Is it a proxy battle for

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Speaker 1: Elon popularity or is it proxy battle for Trump popul.

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 5: So it's starting to become a proxy for muss Trump popularity.

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Speaker 5: Elon's ads don't mention Elon smartly Smartly, Yeah, It is

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Speaker 5: essentially our job to make sure that people know that

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Speaker 5: Musk actually has a lawsuit in Wisconsin courts around Tesla,

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Speaker 5: so he also is trying to get as always his

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Speaker 5: own bag. But so often when you're like talking to people,

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Speaker 5: they're just starting to tune into the fact there is

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Speaker 5: an election Aprile first, these typically have much lower turnout

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Speaker 5: than November elections, and they're seeing all these ads and

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Speaker 5: then explaining that this is Musk who is trying to

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Speaker 5: buy the Supreme Court to remove an each check on

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Speaker 5: his power. That is highly motivating to a ton of people.

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Speaker 5: And so that's we have this for this month. We

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Speaker 5: have this opportunity with our thousands of volunteers knocking on

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Speaker 5: doors with you know, all the kinds of communication we

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Speaker 5: can do to kind of democrats and moderates and people

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Speaker 5: who just care about the American experiment and systim of

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Speaker 5: government like that's that is a super motivating message. There

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Speaker 5: are also some mega super fans of Musk, like no question,

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Speaker 5: and then there's a kind of broader electorate that is

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Speaker 5: generally dismayed about what's happening, but it's trying to make

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Speaker 5: that of it all and different messages are probably going

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Speaker 5: to move different people. But it's possible, I think over

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Speaker 5: this month that this becomes a kind of referendum on

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Speaker 5: what Musk and Trump are doing in a way that

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Speaker 5: affects the national conversation. Because if given that we're being

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Speaker 5: outspent now by Musk and Trump, like if we can

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Speaker 5: defeat them in this moment, and I think the polls

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Speaker 5: are getting more back soon that this is like a

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Speaker 5: pretty tight race. If we defeat them, then that shows

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Speaker 5: that Musk is not politically vulnerable. If we defeat Musk

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Speaker 5: and Trump and bad shimmele in this moment, If Susan

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Speaker 5: Crawford gets the tie breaking vote on the Wisconsin State

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court, that shows that operation Musk is not politically

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Speaker 5: and vulnerable, that there's actual price to be paid for this.

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Speaker 5: And what we need most of all nationally now is

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Speaker 5: for Democrats to feel the boldness to fight back and

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Speaker 5: for Republicans to realize that they're tying themselves to a

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Speaker 5: sinking ship if they if they back everything Musk is doing,

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Speaker 5: Republicans to fear general election political consequences instead of just

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Speaker 5: primary challenges funded by Musk from their right. My goal

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Speaker 5: is that we support Susan Crawford to win an election

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Speaker 5: for democracy and freedom and fairness and justice, and also

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Speaker 5: shatter this idea that Musk is operating with total political

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Speaker 5: impunity and put some energy into the much broader public

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Speaker 5: that doesn't want to feel in us stopping their Social

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Speaker 5: Security payments and firing the people who administer veterans benefits.

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Speaker 1: Do you see on the ground, I mean, like what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. It's five weeks into this shit show and

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Speaker 1: already you know, they've slashed the federal government.

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Speaker 3: They're talking about doing more. You know, you're seeing veterans.

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Speaker 1: Laid off, Like do you see people like this story

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Speaker 1: in the Washington Post about the woman who did it

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Speaker 1: voted for Trump because she thought he was going to

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Speaker 1: give her free IVF and then she got fired.

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Speaker 3: I mean, are you seeing that kind of thing in

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Speaker 3: Wisconsin or not yet?

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Speaker 5: It's starting to spread pretty rapidly, fascinatingly week by week.

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Speaker 5: This reminds me of this time in twenty twenty when

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Speaker 5: the COVID pandemic had started. People paying a lot of

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Speaker 5: attention were like hair and fire about it. The general

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Speaker 5: public hadn't woken up, and then it started affecting more

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Speaker 5: and more daily life to let up endit everything. And

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Speaker 5: right now it feels like it's starting to reach that

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Speaker 5: kind of proportion. It's a shockwave that hits different places

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Speaker 5: at different moments. I can see the kind of energy

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Speaker 5: on the ground is explosive. We're having more volunteers showing

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Speaker 5: up for our door knocking than we did in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty three, which was a record breaking year for us.

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Speaker 5: Right now, as we're recording this, my mom is at

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Speaker 5: a protest at a Tesla supercharging station a couple of

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Speaker 5: miles from here, with signs about Musk and Brad Shimmel

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Speaker 5: and saying about for Susan Crawford that she made. There

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Speaker 5: is a real sense, I think among Democrats across the

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Speaker 5: country and people disaffected from the GOP that we're in

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Speaker 5: an emergency moment and we have to figure out what

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Speaker 5: to do. And the Supreme Court race in Wisconsin gives

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Speaker 5: people a thing to do in a way that we're

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Speaker 5: starting to see really bubble up. And this is not

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Speaker 5: at all a slam dunk, like this is not a

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Speaker 5: sure thing race. We're facing just a wall of the

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Speaker 5: right wing machine. So this is kind of all hands

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Speaker 5: on deck moment here.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to a senator yesterday who was saying

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Speaker 1: that he had had this call in town hall and

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Speaker 1: they had had thirty six thousand people and their state

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Speaker 1: barely has thirty six thousand people, like that's something like

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Speaker 1: five percent of the state. And I said, what do

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Speaker 1: you know? Are they angry are there? And he said,

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Speaker 1: the overwhelming feeling they have is fear.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe that there's a real fear that the

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Speaker 5: things that people have counted on, that their planes will

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Speaker 5: land safely, that their food will be inspected, that they'll

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Speaker 5: be able to get medicine if they're sick, that these things,

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Speaker 5: the pillars that undergird this the basics of life, are

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Speaker 5: being kicked out from under them by the richest people

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Speaker 5: in the world for their own benefit, and no one

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Speaker 5: knows how far this is going to go. There are

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Speaker 5: rumors flying that Musk and Trump have a plan, and

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Speaker 5: I think it's worth saying that the Republican Party has

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Speaker 5: a plan because this is all Musk executing that have

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Speaker 5: the total support of the entire Respublican Senate. Caucust is

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Speaker 5: not just one dude.

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Speaker 3: This was their wish lists.

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Speaker 5: They're planning to fire half of the people who work

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Speaker 5: for the Social Security Administration. It's like a hundred twenty

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Speaker 5: thousand people, and we'd go to Social Security offices to

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Speaker 5: work out problems with their benefits. If nobody's there when

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Speaker 5: they show up, like people are going to die.

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Speaker 3: That's the point.

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Speaker 5: That's it. It comes back to people's lives. This chainsaw

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Speaker 5: is not being applied to acronym agencies that do nothing.

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Speaker 5: It's being applied to people's lives, to people. Nobody voted

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Speaker 5: for this, nobody asking for this. This is a fringe extreme,

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Speaker 5: you know, neo tech, monarchist like nightmare that's being imposed

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Speaker 5: on the country without the country's consent, and a way

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Speaker 5: to fight back that actually says something does something, It

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Speaker 5: means something is something people are grief for because the

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Speaker 5: antidote of fear is to realize that you actually have power,

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Speaker 5: and this fight is a place where people have power.

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Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, what happened was that every election after

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen that was a low turnout election quote unquote,

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Speaker 1: even though they had higher turnout than historically they might have,

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Speaker 1: every single one, you know, Republicans just got shell act right,

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Speaker 1: every special every you know, because they were just so

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Speaker 1: you know, informed, voters were furious and even like you

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Speaker 1: look at that polling right that Biden voters, you know,

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Speaker 1: he did much better among people who read newspapers, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, so, are you worried that Elon's money

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Speaker 1: has closed the gap? I mean that it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be the same, or do you still think hope

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Speaker 1: that there could be?

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Speaker 4: I think there is hope here. There really is hope.

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Speaker 5: And the reason is exactly what you're saying, that that

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Speaker 5: people who are paying attention, who are the people who

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Speaker 5: generally vote in Supreme Court races, see what's being done

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Speaker 5: to them, to families across the state. They see that

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Speaker 5: the world's richest man is trying to defeat Susan Crawford

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Speaker 5: so he can have his personal bagman cast the deciding

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Speaker 5: vote in Wisconsin's Apreme Court. And for people that are

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Speaker 5: paying attention, there's there's a sense of urgency about voting.

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Speaker 5: And the question mark is whether, if you're listening right now,

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Speaker 5: can you volunteer for enough shifts, if you're in Wisconsin

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Speaker 5: and you bring enough friends to the polls to outrace

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Speaker 5: the impact of Elon Musk's millions. And I think there's

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Speaker 5: reason to believe the answer is yes. This is I

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Speaker 5: think a race that is within our power to win.

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Speaker 5: But I think what I want to say, with a

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Speaker 5: big blinking set of red lights around it, is we

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Speaker 5: should not expect the kind of landslide that we had

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty three. We won that by eleven percentage points.

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Speaker 5: Don't think that this will take care of itself because

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Speaker 5: of asymmetric inversion and engagement exactly like, think of this

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Speaker 5: as a job to be done. This is work that

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Speaker 5: we have to do to make sure that that every

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Speaker 5: friend and neighbor are that every kid who's away for college,

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Speaker 5: that they all know that this is a must vote

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Speaker 5: election and that they act accordingly.

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Speaker 1: So I was in DC for a day and a

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Speaker 1: half I made it back hoof and the big dinner

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Speaker 1: party conversation in DC is what should democrats be doing?

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Speaker 1: I think of you as like your ability to or

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Speaker 1: rate has elevated you. I'm sorry to tell you, so

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Speaker 1: what should it takes? I take no pleasure in saying

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Speaker 1: this to you because I know how. But what is

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Speaker 1: the message that Democrats should be doing? And are they doing.

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Speaker 3: A good enough job? And what would you like to

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Speaker 3: see them do? If not?

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Speaker 5: So, when democrats are communicating, they're often doing a good job.

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Speaker 5: To me, the volume of communication needs to go up

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Speaker 5: as high as we can crank it because right now

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Speaker 5: the other side that Trump and Musk are narrating this

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Speaker 5: moment and they want to make this about the ravel rising,

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Speaker 5: you know, pirates trying to mess up the deep state,

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Speaker 5: as opposed to the reality that this is the richest

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Speaker 5: people in the world, far right extremists who are attacking

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Speaker 5: working people across the country, no matter you know what

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Speaker 5: they look like, or where they live, or who they

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Speaker 5: voted for. If you're somebody who doesn't have billions of

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Speaker 5: dollars that are going to multiply if you get a

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Speaker 5: giant tax cut, they're stealing from you. To benefit themselves,

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Speaker 5: and these attacks on the on the government do nothing

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Speaker 5: to help.

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Speaker 3: This is this is a rich taking from the poor.

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Speaker 5: Rich taking from the middle class, from the poor, even

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Speaker 5: from you know, if you're a small business owner and

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Speaker 5: suddenly the small business administration is gutted, like, this is

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Speaker 5: not good for you either. This is a tiny group

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Speaker 5: of people at the expense of everybody else, and they're

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Speaker 5: breaking every rule and every law to be able to

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Speaker 5: do it. But the key thing is to communicate about

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Speaker 5: the impact on people's lives and to make the people

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Speaker 5: who are affected the heroes. Make the people who just

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Speaker 5: want to keep the forest from burning down, or the

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Speaker 5: people who want to make sure plans land safely, or

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Speaker 5: that we get the next cancer research breakthrough, or just

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Speaker 5: people who get Social Security texture who rely on Medicaid

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Speaker 5: because your kids have disabilities. In Wisconsin, thirty percent of

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Speaker 5: rural kids are born covered by Medicaid, you know, any

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Speaker 5: of the things Republicans try to paint it as this

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Speaker 5: is a broad bust attack on just about everyone. So

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Speaker 5: to me, the job one is to put the affected people,

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Speaker 5: regular folks across this country, working people front and center

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Speaker 5: in the communication tie back what they're doing constantly to

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Speaker 5: who it hurts and what their motive is, which is

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Speaker 5: to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else, and

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Speaker 5: do that through massive on every platform and channel and

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Speaker 5: every state volume of communication. The kinds of town halls

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Speaker 5: that Democrats are doing to their great credit, that are

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Speaker 5: getting attacked by people, and the act that is showing

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Speaker 5: up Republicans downhalls, that's exactly the right move. The second

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Speaker 5: thing I think for all of us is to lift

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Speaker 5: up people that are doing this well. So when when

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Speaker 5: Democrats are communicating really effectively, let's make it go viral.

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Speaker 5: When people are fighting back against the GOP, exposing something

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Speaker 5: the Republicans are doing, when they're championing laws that can

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Speaker 5: actually help to protect people. When you have Susan Crawford

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Speaker 5: who's standing up like a David against this goliath of

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Speaker 5: beingland Musk, let's make sure that they become heroes in

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Speaker 5: the eyes of the public, that people find out about

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Speaker 5: what they're doing. To be able to get the hope

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Speaker 5: that comes for knowing that there actually are people fighting back.

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Speaker 5: I think often we can slip into just being frustrated

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Speaker 5: that we're not saying things we want to happen. But

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Speaker 5: the most powerful force in behavior modification is positive reinforcement.

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Speaker 5: You want to make it great for people to do

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Speaker 5: the right thing and great things. And there are Democrats

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Speaker 5: doing great stuff. Let's lift them up. And then the

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Speaker 5: third thing is to win elections. It's to channel all

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Speaker 5: this energy and fury and rage and fear that people

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Speaker 5: have into elections where they're volunteering, they're donating. By the way,

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Speaker 5: wisdoms dot organ slash volunteer with them that org slash

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Speaker 5: donate or Crawford for wi dot dot com. I can

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Speaker 5: chip in to help Susan Crawford by actually getting involved

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Speaker 5: in elections and winning. We show that Republicans have made

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Speaker 5: themselves politically toxic, and I think politicians pay attention to

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Speaker 5: what happens in actual electoral outcomes even more than than

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Speaker 5: polls or campaign contributions. A lot of people, a lot

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Speaker 5: of Republicans right now, are just trying to figure out

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Speaker 5: where the wind is blowing. And there are people who's

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Speaker 5: incentive is to convince them that their biggest political risk

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Speaker 5: for them is to not follow along with everything Musk

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Speaker 5: and Trump try to do. They need to see vividly

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Speaker 5: in electoral results that their jobs, their political careers are

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Speaker 5: on the line, and that this will very quickly become

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Speaker 5: a career ending mistake to just go along with this

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Speaker 5: assault on the foundations of American democracy and freedom in

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Speaker 5: the middle class. And if we can send that message electorally,

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Speaker 5: that creates the conditions for Democrats to sweep in. There's

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Speaker 5: thirty four governor's races in twenty twenty six, you know,

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Speaker 5: to this November, there's chances to flip legislative chambers across

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Speaker 5: the country. There's the House majority. If we have a

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Speaker 5: twenty ten like cycle, we win the Senate majority in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty six as well twenty ten in reverse, and

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Speaker 5: like with Republicans start realizing that they're sowing the wind

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Speaker 5: and about to reap the whirlwind, then they might start

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Speaker 5: cracking and actually, you know, back pedaling on the constant support.

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Speaker 5: And if they don't, they're going to lose their jobs

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Speaker 5: very soon. We need to accelerate that process, and to

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Speaker 5: do it, races like Wisconsin Supreme Court race and New

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Speaker 5: York's twenty six US House special election in Florida's first

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Speaker 5: and six congrationial district special elections give us a chance

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Speaker 5: to paint a giant warning sign on the canvas of

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Speaker 5: American politics.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Ben, Thank.

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Speaker 5: You Ben, Thanks to your listeners for helping with Susan Crawford.

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Speaker 2: And now we have a special excerpt from our YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: It's a fantastic interview Molly did with former Labor Secretary

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Speaker 2: Robert Reich. If you want to hear the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: please head to our brand new YouTube channel, where we're

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Speaker 2: dropping three videos every single week of interviews that you

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Speaker 2: won't hear on Fast Politics.

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Speaker 6: Well, hello, Ollie's awfully gotten nice to do this again,

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Speaker 6: and also good to see you.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you and very you know, just delighted.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about where we are

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Speaker 1: sort of. You know, this is like an incredible, strange,

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Speaker 1: transformative moment for labor. Can we talk about this?

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, it's it's strange and transformative for everything, but

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Speaker 6: absolutely for American workers, for labor. It is particularly weird

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Speaker 6: because here the president, who remember, was elected partly because

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Speaker 6: he was going to be the voice, you know, your voice,

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Speaker 6: the voice of working people who have been they've been

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Speaker 6: shafted over the last it's not just the last ten years,

880
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Speaker 6: twenty years, it's really forty years. I mean, the median

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Speaker 6: wage in America of the typical worker, particularly the worker

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Speaker 6: without a college degree, and that's you know, that's sixty

883
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Speaker 6: percent of the workforce has barely moved adjusted for inflation. So,

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Speaker 6: you know, you've got a lot of people out there

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Speaker 6: who are justifiably frustrated, angry, feel like they've been working hard,

886
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Speaker 6: haven't been you know, haven't been doing as well as

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Speaker 6: they thought they should be doing. And we're promised to

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Speaker 6: be doing the kind of you know, the social contract

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Speaker 6: of America is basically that if you played by the

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Speaker 6: rules and you work hard, you're supposed to be doing

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Speaker 6: better and better as the economy does better. But these

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Speaker 6: people have not. And Donald Trump said he would do

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Speaker 6: great things for them, man, as he promised in Trump

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Speaker 6: you know number one one, Yeah, point zero. Well, he

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Speaker 6: didn't do much for them then, and he's doing even

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Speaker 6: less for them now.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I was listening to that

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Speaker 1: hearing for Lori Chaves Dreamer.

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Speaker 3: She's up for appointment.

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Speaker 1: As maybe the Labor Secretary. Does that send right to you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, she is, And then Republicans are not completely

902
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Speaker 6: sure she is with them because she actually was a

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Speaker 6: backer of the pro Act, the act that gives labor

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Speaker 6: unions and workers more power to form unions.

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Speaker 1: And the pro Act I want you to talk about

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Speaker 1: because it's like there's been so much, so much of

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Speaker 1: this sort of undergirth of a lot of trump Ism

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Speaker 1: two point zero is this sort of federalist society Project

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five kind of ideological framework that a lot

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Speaker 1: of it is has been funded by the Koch brothers, right,

911
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: this sort of anti you know, right to work laws,

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Speaker 1: so you know, and of course right to work laws

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Speaker 1: are anti union laws.

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Speaker 3: So talk to me.

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Speaker 1: About kind of where Republicans find themselves because Trump one

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Speaker 1: a plurality of the kind of voters who usually go

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Speaker 1: with Democrats, and those voters were promised that they would

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Speaker 1: be you know, that he would help them, and all

919
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Speaker 1: of this sort of ideological work that has gone into

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Speaker 1: Trump two point zero is to crush them.

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Speaker 6: Make it make sense, Molly, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, and Democrats have not been screaming from the

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Speaker 6: top of the rafters, from from every rooftop that in fact,

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Speaker 6: the Trump administration, the Trump regime is not a pro worker,

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Speaker 6: it's not pro labor. The people who are at the

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Speaker 6: top of the Trump regime. I'm going to use the

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Speaker 6: word regime rather than an administration. You know, they have

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Speaker 6: a long history of being anti worker, anti labor. I mean,

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Speaker 6: look at Elon Musk. Elon Musk is one of the

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Speaker 6: most anti labor CEOs in America. He has crushed people,

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Speaker 6: He's fired people illegally who have wanted to form unions.

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Speaker 6: He's done it again and again. He's got twenty two

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Speaker 6: labor charges against him pending in the National Labor Relations

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Speaker 6: Board right now. And the board can't do anything about

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Speaker 6: it because why because the chairman of the board was

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Speaker 6: fired by truck and that means that the board is

937
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Speaker 6: basically defanged. It can't work. But you have other people

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Speaker 6: in the administration, in the regime who are also very

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Speaker 6: anti worker, very anti labor. What they have done and

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Speaker 6: what they had, the Koch brothers and I mean all

941
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Speaker 6: of the people, the billionaires who have been supporting Trump.

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Speaker 6: The way they've made so much money. One way is

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Speaker 6: to suppress wages, to push wages down, to basically threaten

944
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Speaker 6: workers that if they are trying to form a union

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Speaker 6: or trying to get better wages, they're going to be fired.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I think a lot about

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Speaker 1: when I think about the Biden administration, which I feel

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Speaker 1: like people voters didn't understand because they were not spoken

949
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Speaker 1: to about it at all. In fact, Biden world kind

950
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Speaker 1: of hit it. But it's why so many rich people

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Speaker 1: were so angry at the administration. And that is Lena

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Speaker 1: Khan an anti trust So will you do like a

953
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Speaker 1: minute or two on the sort of real fulsome antitrust

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Speaker 1: legislation that the Biden administration tried to enact. And I

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Speaker 1: would add their inability to message that to voters and

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Speaker 1: to explain to them why that was good for them, Well, that's.

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Speaker 6: A great tragedy, actually, I mean, the good news is

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Speaker 6: that during the Biden administration there was a resurrection of

959
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Speaker 6: antitrust law in America. Lena Khan at the Federal Trade Commission,

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Speaker 6: a chair put in there by Joe Biden. Also at

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Speaker 6: the Anti Trust Division of the Justice Department, an anti

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Speaker 6: trust system Attorney General Jonathan Cantor put in by the

963
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Speaker 6: Biden administration, who and both of them, Cantor and linikon

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Speaker 6: the strongest most aggressive use of antitrust law we've seen

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Speaker 6: in this country in fifty years. And it's appropriate because

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Speaker 6: the whole industrial landscape, the entire economy has become much

967
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Speaker 6: more concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer big corporations.

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Speaker 6: They're using mergers and acquisitions and all sort of tactics

969
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Speaker 6: to basically increase their market power. This is bad for America.

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Speaker 6: It's bad for consumers. It means that workers have less

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Speaker 6: a choice of whom to work for. It means that

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Speaker 6: workers have less bargaining strength and bargaining ability because these

973
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Speaker 6: giant companies have much more bargaining strength because they're so big.

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Speaker 6: And they also, these giant companies have a lot of

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Speaker 6: political power, which they wouldn't have if anti trust were

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Speaker 6: actually once again as it used to be a real

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Speaker 6: part of the American political system. So you've got this sad.

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Speaker 6: I say, it's sad molly because the Biden administration Joe Biden,

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Speaker 6: you know, bless his heart, he was you know, I'm

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Speaker 6: going to use the past tense because he's no longer president.

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Speaker 6: He was a strong union person, He walk the picket lines.

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Speaker 6: He's the first Democratic president in thirty five, no, forty

983
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Speaker 6: five years to staff his White House without any Wall streeters.

984
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Speaker 6: I mean, with economists who were not from Wall Street

985
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Speaker 6: who really understand that the goal of the economy is

986
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Speaker 6: to help people get better wages, better working conditions, improve

987
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Speaker 6: the quality of the life of most people in this country.

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Speaker 6: But Joe Biden didn't get credit because he sadly could

989
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Speaker 6: not communicate effectively what he was doing. And that's I

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Speaker 6: don't know. I mean, historians will have to figure out

991
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 6: exactly why that was the case. But it is a

992
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 6: tragedy because as a result of that, people didn't know.

993
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Speaker 6: Most workers didn't know what he was doing. Most people

994
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Speaker 6: didn't know that he was breaking with years of Democrats

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Speaker 6: who were not as nearly as strong on labor, or

996
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Speaker 6: as on anti trust, or on investments in infrastructure and

997
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Speaker 6: all sorts of things that people need. So it's a tragedy.

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Speaker 4: No moment, Rick Wilson, while we jogged fast.

999
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Speaker 1: It was a week filled with fuckery, so it should

1000
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Speaker 1: be no problem finding one.

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00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 4: This week was basically fuck mus I mean.

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Speaker 3: Jess, he is so happy with that.

1003
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Speaker 4: I was. I have rarely seen a week more chuck

1004
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Speaker 4: full of fuckery. So my pinnacle of fuck mountain this

1005
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 4: week was Marker Review. And I will say I could

1006
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Speaker 4: admit this because I'm a man. I was a huge

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Speaker 4: supporter Marco. I helped push Marco from the very beginning

1008
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Speaker 4: when he's running. It's Charlie cristin Florida supported as presidential campaign,

1009
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Speaker 4: did a super pack for a bunch of wealthy Silicon

1010
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Speaker 4: Valley guys for his presidential campaign couch, and that little

1011
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 4: fuck sitting on that couch proves the point that if

1012
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Speaker 4: this was Cuba in the nineteen fifties, he'd be asking

1013
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: to polish Castro's shoes. This is a guy who absolutely

1014
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: knew what he was doing in there. He took his

1015
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 4: entire reputation for the last twenty years of being someone

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Speaker 4: who advocates for liberty and against dictatorship, and he burned

1017
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Speaker 4: it to the ground. And you could see his soul

1018
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 4: withering inside his pitiful little frame in that room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thoughts in prayers Marco.

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Speaker 1: You know it is interesting that he always looks like

1021
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: the little guy in the big chair. My moment of

1022
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Speaker 1: fuckery is Donald Trump crypto king?

1023
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 4: Oh?

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00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: Yes, Crypto Reserve will elevate the critical industry. Yes, won't

1025
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: someone pour one out for Crypto.

1026
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 4: Those struggling crypto guys.

1027
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Speaker 1: After years of corrupt attacks by the Biden administration, Why

1028
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: does the Biden administration hate cryptos so much? And by

1029
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: corrupt a taxi means no regulation whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: Correct, Actually, that's centrue. There's a little regulation, but not

1031
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Speaker 3: nearly as much as it deserved.

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Speaker 1: He's going to make a crypto strategic perserve because even

1033
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Speaker 1: though we can't afford park rangers to keep bathrooms open,

1034
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: we can't afford cancer research, we can't afford FDA, we

1035
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: can't afford the FAA, which keeps you safe in the air,

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Speaker 1: we can afford to buy lots of crypto and g

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Speaker 1: I hope everyone's least favorite.

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Speaker 3: David Sachs is making a lot of money on this.

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Speaker 4: Because he is the cryptos are and he will he's

1040
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 4: in crypto, but he's also the cryptos are.

1041
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: He's both an investor and a person who will marry money.

1042
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: That could go wrong with that.

1043
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Speaker 3: But also, what are the odds that a person and

1044
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration would both work in a company involved

1045
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Speaker 3: with something and also work with it on the government side.

1046
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Speaker 3: What are the odds? One and twenty percent a billion percent.

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Speaker 1: If it smells like deep, deep, deep corruption, it is in.

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Speaker 4: Fact probably deep corruption.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Welcome to our Banana Republican.

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