Speaker 1: Three two one, It's time for the b a qa
Speaker 1: A the v a qa wou suy the b a
Speaker 1: qa with Manda, the ba qa and Tiffin A the
Speaker 1: bka qa A. Oh thank you, Brandi's for helping me
Speaker 1: with that. I kind of feel like you're one of those.
Speaker 1: Now you're just like a recurring guest on Brown Ambition
Speaker 1: and our audience, BA fam we have I feel like
Speaker 1: a third sister co host. Well, Branda's Daniel is back
Speaker 1: in the stew with us because the gems that she
Speaker 1: is able to drop y'all are just unlimited. And now
Speaker 1: that we are brand new best friends, I have invited
Speaker 1: her again to the BA couch to take some of
Speaker 1: y'all's questions. Yes, if you have not yet listened to
Speaker 1: the OG episode with Branda Daniels, what are you waiting for?
Speaker 1: Please go? She is the founder of Harlem Fashion Row.
Speaker 1: She has an credible book, a beautiful work of art
Speaker 1: and a labor of love, Love Love, a labor of
Speaker 1: love called Fashion in Color Volume one, and there will
Speaker 1: be more. So go get yours now that you can
Speaker 1: pick up. Also check out Brandess Daniels on IG Brandess Daniel. Sorry,
Speaker 1: adding an s to your name as you do if
Speaker 1: you're black, it's Kroger's not Kroger. We know Brandon's Daniel
Speaker 1: on Ig. Check out her podcast Fashion in Color and
Speaker 1: all the incredible work that she does. But when we
Speaker 1: set aside all that normal stuff that you do when
Speaker 1: you're interviewing someone fantastic on the show, which is typically
Speaker 1: like talk about how brilliant they are and all the
Speaker 1: brilliant things they've achieved, we kind of cut through all
Speaker 1: that bs when it comes to brown ambition because we
Speaker 1: want to get to the sauce. We want to understand
Speaker 1: the recipe. How did you get to where you are?
Speaker 1: And one of the gems that you dropped or little
Speaker 1: nuggets you dropped in our first episode, Brandess, was that
Speaker 1: you had sort of been thinking when you started hf
Speaker 1: R that it may be a nonprofit, and I want
Speaker 1: to hear a little bit of background on how you decided, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not a nonprofit, it's a business. And then
Speaker 1: we're going to take a question from VIAQA because it's
Speaker 1: very in line with I think the same crossroads that
Speaker 1: you were at with HFR.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mandy, I feel like when we say we want
Speaker 2: to do something to help other people, we assume that
Speaker 2: it has to be a nonprofit.
Speaker 3: And so my original thought.
Speaker 2: Was, I want to make sure that we're supporting black designers,
Speaker 2: that we're putting them out there, so it needs to
Speaker 2: be a nonprofit. And I was working with a business
Speaker 2: coach at the time, and he kept challenging me on this.
Speaker 2: He kept saying, why do you want a nonprofit?
Speaker 3: Why why could this business not be a business with
Speaker 3: a purpose? Why can't you just do good and still
Speaker 3: make a profit.
Speaker 2: Because brand is when you build a successful business. What
Speaker 2: that does is it helps our community. You're able to
Speaker 2: hire people like that is also given back in a
Speaker 2: different type of way. And so I, after years of
Speaker 2: fighting it, finally decided, Okay, this is going to be
Speaker 2: a business. And honestly, it was one of the best
Speaker 2: decisions I could have made. I eventually did start a nonprofit,
Speaker 2: but I'm so happy that I said h and far
Speaker 2: up as a business first. And why is that, you know,
Speaker 2: because I think that a I wouldn't have had as
Speaker 2: much space to really explore my ideas. When you have
Speaker 2: a nonprofit, there is a board that everything needs to
Speaker 2: be approved through. I was able to try a lot
Speaker 2: of things out and quit a lot of things through.
Speaker 3: Harlem's fashion role.
Speaker 2: I also personally needed the skill of really building a business,
Speaker 2: So we built H ANDFR from basically like five hundred
Speaker 2: dollars to a few million dollars business. And the skill
Speaker 2: set that you get from that process of actually building
Speaker 2: a profitable business can then benefit you if you want
Speaker 2: to later go and start a nonprofit. I just feel
Speaker 2: like I would have looked at a nonprofit very differently.
Speaker 2: For example, when we launched our nonprofit, our first donation
Speaker 2: was a million dollar donation from Vogue in the CFDA.
Speaker 1: Because of the relationships you built with your business.
Speaker 2: With the business, but also I was I understood what
Speaker 2: it what it looked like right, how.
Speaker 3: To manage a million dollars through the business.
Speaker 2: And because brands saw the level of work that we
Speaker 2: were doing, they trusted us to give us.
Speaker 1: That level of donation, and so sometimes.
Speaker 2: It allowed me to think a lot bigger about you know.
Speaker 2: Our next donation was five hundred thousand from Gap Inc.
Speaker 2: And then they donated another five hundred thousand. So I
Speaker 2: feel like building the business home to prepare my mindset
Speaker 2: for what it would take to actually run a nonprofit.
Speaker 1: Oof okay, I'm so so glad that one of our
Speaker 1: BA fans submitted this question. I feel like we've been
Speaker 1: we never want to answer questions that we don't feel
Speaker 1: like we can't give like a big, juicy, you know, good,
Speaker 1: substantial answer to. And the reality is that Tiff and
Speaker 1: I don't have nonprofits. So when I got this question
Speaker 1: from Patricia, Hi, Patricia Gosh, I hope that it's not
Speaker 1: too late. You did send this question this year, so
Speaker 1: why don't that you're listening. If not, I'm gonna find
Speaker 1: your email and I will make sure you know which
Speaker 1: episode we answered it on. But Patricia has a business question,
Speaker 1: and I think you're the perfect perfect guest to answer it.
Speaker 1: So let me jump on into Patricia's question. Okay, Patricia says,
Speaker 1: I've been listening to Brent Ambition, and y'all have started
Speaker 1: to discuss, or you have been discussing the pros and
Speaker 1: cons of starting a nonprofit. I just started a non
Speaker 1: organization in January, but after listening to your podcast, I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if I should have started a for profit instead.
Speaker 1: I am still in the process of setting up the business.
Speaker 1: I've established a line of credit and a credit card
Speaker 1: in the business's name. My question is can I change
Speaker 1: from a nonprofit to a for profit organization? Should I?
Speaker 1: What are the pros and cons? Thank you Patricia. Okay, so,
Speaker 1: having some regrets about going the nonprofit route versus the
Speaker 1: for profit route, but we don't know too much about
Speaker 1: what kind of business she has or anything like that,
Speaker 1: So feel free to, you know, to riff on that.
Speaker 3: I feel like she knows the answer.
Speaker 2: I think that she knows the answer that it should
Speaker 2: be a business whatever it is that she's doing. And
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that when you set
Speaker 2: your nonprofit up, you have to set it up as
Speaker 2: a business first and then you get your five oh
Speaker 2: one C three.
Speaker 3: So I don't think that it's going to be that.
Speaker 2: Big of a challenge for you to go from a
Speaker 2: and I could be wrong on this, but I don't
Speaker 2: think it's going to be that much of a challenge
Speaker 2: for you to for you to go from a nonprofit
Speaker 2: to a to a for profit business, especially if you've
Speaker 2: only been doing this for a year. I would highly recommend, though,
Speaker 2: to speak to a nonprofit specialist, maybe also speak to
Speaker 2: a tax accountant to find out like if there is
Speaker 2: anything there but your business is already set up, because
Speaker 2: you have to do that in order to build out
Speaker 2: the nonprofit. I think my question would be too, why
Speaker 2: a nonprofit and not a business? Is it that you
Speaker 2: know most of the people who you're going to be
Speaker 2: getting revenue from that they want to have give you
Speaker 2: tax deductible dollars because that could be it Sometimes like
Speaker 2: she's wanting to work more with kind of like the
Speaker 2: nonprofit arms of companies, and so she wants them to
Speaker 2: be able to give her that that tax.
Speaker 3: They want to be able to get that tax right off.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why she's thinking about a nonprofit.
Speaker 1: She wants that five hundred k from gapping.
Speaker 3: But you know what, like really it's it's it's it's managing.
Speaker 2: That, but you know, we give most of it away.
Speaker 2: I also think what does she want personally? That's really important.
Speaker 2: What type of autonomy does she want? Because with nonprofit dollars,
Speaker 2: you really have to be really transparent on every dollar
Speaker 2: that you spend that comes from a brand. And sometimes
Speaker 2: you might want to spend money on things that you
Speaker 2: test out. You might want to do some beta testing, and.
Speaker 3: A company like just a company, gives you a lot
Speaker 3: more flexibility.
Speaker 1: Then you get to be like a It's almost like
Speaker 1: you get that space as a startup founder to be
Speaker 1: you know that old adage of like we built this
Speaker 1: in a garage, just like you know, you think of
Speaker 1: the old vision of an entrepreneur and you know, bringing
Speaker 1: that to the modern age. You really can be you
Speaker 1: alone with your ideas, trying some things, maybe not spending
Speaker 1: money like what the you know, investing in certain things
Speaker 1: and investing in certain ideas early without the feedback of
Speaker 1: It's great to have advisors, right and to have thought partners,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you have to learn to like trust your
Speaker 1: own voice, you know, before you're ready to get that
Speaker 1: advice from other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And one of the things that my coach said
Speaker 2: to me, he said, brand is if you build a
Speaker 2: successful business, the nonprofit will be so much easier to run.
Speaker 3: And he was so right about that.
Speaker 2: So the gap relationship came from the business relationship. The
Speaker 2: Vogue and CFDA donation came from the business relationship. So
Speaker 2: I was able to take everything that I had done
Speaker 2: in business and use that credibility for the nonprofit.
Speaker 1: So talk to me about when you knew, Okay, I've
Speaker 1: reached a certain level with Harlem Fashion, Row and do
Speaker 1: we mention the book Fashion in Color. You can get
Speaker 1: that right now wherever books are sold.
Speaker 2: Which got away, part of the proceeds from the Fashion
Speaker 2: and Color book goes through a nonprofit Icon three sixty.
Speaker 1: I read that and HBCUs get part of the profits
Speaker 1: as well. Is that right? Incredible? Everything is in alignment? Okay,
Speaker 1: you just feel good with It's some of those things
Speaker 1: you buy that you're like, I feel good about, like, actually,
Speaker 1: this book will do good for me and for others.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Absolutely Okay. So when did you realize, okay,
Speaker 1: Harlem Fashion Row is doing well enough and at this
Speaker 1: point where it feels okay to start a nonprofit arm
Speaker 1: And then how did that execution happen?
Speaker 2: I started it in the middle of the pandemic, and
Speaker 2: I started it because designers were calling me and saying
Speaker 2: that they didn't think they would be able to stay
Speaker 2: in business.
Speaker 3: And from the HFR side, we didn't.
Speaker 2: Have the ability to write designers checks our business models
Speaker 2: and set up that way, and so because I wanted
Speaker 2: the ability to write checks, because that's mainly what Icon
Speaker 2: three sixty does is we give money to designers and
Speaker 2: to HBCU fashion departments.
Speaker 3: That is why we started the nonprofit.
Speaker 2: It was because we really wanted to be able to
Speaker 2: give money, give grants and give awards to designers and
Speaker 2: HBCU fashion departments.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: That process for me was working with a nonprofit specialist
Speaker 2: who helped me to fill out all the paperwork to
Speaker 2: get my father that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so where does one find a nonprofit specialist.
Speaker 3: If someone needs a nonprofit?
Speaker 2: The one that I worked with who was fantastic, her
Speaker 2: name is I can't think for her last name is Daphne,
Speaker 2: but I'm happy to share the person who I work with,
Speaker 2: DM me. I'll send you her information and.
Speaker 3: We work with her.
Speaker 2: She helped get all our paperwork together. We had to,
Speaker 2: you know, first we had to start the business because
Speaker 2: ICON three, when you're doing nonprofit, it has.
Speaker 3: To be a business first.
Speaker 2: So we had to start it as a business ICON
Speaker 2: three sixty and then you get the five oh one
Speaker 2: C three sits on the business God. So we got
Speaker 2: all of that done, and then we had to come
Speaker 2: up with our bylaws.
Speaker 3: I had to come up with the board.
Speaker 2: We had to come up with a mission statement, and
Speaker 2: you know kind of like what was.
Speaker 3: Our fiscal responsibility going to be?
Speaker 2: And how we were going to manage donation so that
Speaker 2: we can communicate.
Speaker 3: That to our donors. And then once we did that,
Speaker 3: we were we were rolling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then it's managed underneath the umbrella of HFR.
Speaker 1: So the staff you have.
Speaker 3: There totally separate.
Speaker 1: Oh, totally separate. Okay, So then you had are you
Speaker 1: who's the director of that program? Like? Did you have
Speaker 1: to find someone to manage those funds and make sure that,
Speaker 1: like you said, all of the fiscal responsibility, like the accountability,
Speaker 1: the accounting is ordered properly to the board and to donors.
Speaker 1: Did you hire a separate team for that?
Speaker 2: I had to hire a separate team. So we have
Speaker 2: a separate legal team for that. We have a separate
Speaker 2: accounting team for Icon three sixty. Matter of fact, they
Speaker 2: email me this morning because we're about to get do
Speaker 2: our self audit, and yeah, I have to have a
Speaker 2: totally separate team for Icon three sixty runs totally separate
Speaker 2: from h FAR.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Okay, I guess I always just thought, you know,
Speaker 1: just in my own ignorance that Okay, well, it's just
Speaker 1: you know, you have the big company and then the
Speaker 1: little over there. They're the people who do good over there.
Speaker 1: They sit over there and they manage those bad money.
Speaker 1: They that's fascinating a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of it's running a whole nother business.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, if you just want a business,
Speaker 2: to start a business, because an profit is not easier.
Speaker 3: It is not easy.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for because I've never done it.
Speaker 1: But I just have heard and I'm like, this doesn't
Speaker 1: This sounds just like they got the same personnel problems
Speaker 1: you still have, like management issues. Toxicity is running rampant
Speaker 1: in the nonprofit sector and they're getting away with it
Speaker 1: because we're a nonprofit. You're all here because you want
Speaker 1: to do good in the world, So I can treat
Speaker 1: you like garbage because I'm you know what do gooder like? Oh,
Speaker 1: I have such a beef with the nonprofit space, not yours,
Speaker 1: of course, I'm saying. And the fact that yes, and
Speaker 1: it also goes back to what you were saying about
Speaker 1: being a savvy business owner first running a business properly
Speaker 1: and you learn I mean, I don't want to put
Speaker 1: words in your mouth, but do you feel like you
Speaker 1: learned just management skills leadership skills that have served you
Speaker 1: now that you have ventured into the nonprofit space with
Speaker 1: Icon three sixty.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I even tail nonprofits because a lot of times
Speaker 2: they'll approach brand partnerships with a one page.
Speaker 3: Letter and they send this letter out and.
Speaker 2: They want people to give them, like fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: from this little letter that they have, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: you have to approach like we approach our donors in
Speaker 2: the same way as we approach our sponsorship partners for
Speaker 2: Harlan sbashi Row very similar. Like even though you're a nonprofit,
Speaker 2: your process still needs to be very business like. You
Speaker 2: need to send out a proper sponsorship proposal that's usually
Speaker 2: a ten page document showing photos and giving people a
Speaker 2: peek into like what you do and the impact that
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: It is very If you operate a nonprofit like a business,
Speaker 2: it will probably be really successful. But if you operate
Speaker 2: a nonprofit from kind of like a charity and you're
Speaker 2: expecting people to just like give you money, it's going
Speaker 2: to be really challenging for you to get the bigger dollars.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And also, I mean I just consider a nonprofit
Speaker 1: to be a business, Like it's just a business. Just
Speaker 1: what you do with the profits is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: You know, you give them away, but you still got
Speaker 1: to pay your staff, You still got to pay your
Speaker 1: operating expenses. Right, so it is it is legitimately a business. First,
Speaker 1: what advice would you have to someone who is maybe
Speaker 1: feeling like the and even describing how do you start
Speaker 1: a non nonprofit? When you start that, finding a board,
Speaker 1: like even making those connections seems like a much higher
Speaker 1: bar to meet than just starting a business, because any
Speaker 1: dumb dumb can just like buy an LLC. I did
Speaker 1: it on a Tuesday because I wanted to, Like, but
Speaker 1: really it's not that hard. But then to find a
Speaker 1: board and have, like you said, fiscal responsibility. How if
Speaker 1: someone does have a legitimate Okay, I'm ready for a nonprofit?
Speaker 1: What's your advice to reach out and start to build
Speaker 1: those relationships or take advantage of ones you may already
Speaker 1: have to put that board together?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always when you look at your board, you
Speaker 2: want to look at it and go, what does what
Speaker 2: does this nonprofit need?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So, okay, my nonprofit needs money? Okay, who can I
Speaker 2: put on the board that can connect me to money?
Speaker 2: My nonprofit needs like a legal specialist?
Speaker 3: Who can I put on the board.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's an attorney that you put on the board.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to do nonprofit events that
Speaker 2: attracts NBA players.
Speaker 3: Okay, who can I put on the board? Who has
Speaker 3: those relationships?
Speaker 2: So your board should be really really strategic and the way.
Speaker 2: We're actually in search of an executive director right now
Speaker 2: for Icon three sixty, so I haven't expanded our board yet.
Speaker 2: So my goal is to expand our board, but I
Speaker 2: don't have the bandwidth to manage those relationships.
Speaker 3: And when you have a board, you really need to
Speaker 3: be able to, you know.
Speaker 2: Manage those relationships, stay in communication with them, and so
Speaker 2: you need a great executive director to be able to
Speaker 2: do that. Or if this is like your main thing,
Speaker 2: you need to be the one to make sure that
Speaker 2: you're constantly like managing the relationships with the people that
Speaker 2: you have on your board.
Speaker 3: That piece is like so so so important.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you get into a place where your board might
Speaker 2: kick you out like you or or your board is
Speaker 2: doing things that are not in alignment with what your
Speaker 2: original vision was. So you just want to make sure that.
Speaker 3: You have the person in place who can really.
Speaker 2: Manage and cultivate those relationships with the board members before
Speaker 2: you bring people on. But everybody who was on that
Speaker 2: board should have a clear purpose.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say, well, they don't
Speaker 1: like they can leave, but you went right for that.
Speaker 1: They could kick you out like you give them power. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just saw that happen on open ai chat. Do
Speaker 1: you just got fired and rehired and all this crazy stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I wish we had you for more time.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like you're getting into more of the
Speaker 1: space of mentorship as well to entrepreneurs to businesswomen. Tell me,
Speaker 1: tell us be a fan about what you may have,
Speaker 1: even if it's not perfectly ready to your standard, which
Speaker 1: I know is very high. But what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that? And how do you know you're ready to
Speaker 1: sort of yeah, get more into that teacher side of
Speaker 1: what you do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Again, one of the questions I get all the time
Speaker 2: is about, like, how do I partner with brands like nonprofits?
Speaker 2: Want to know, how do we get a five hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars donation from a gaping you know? And I
Speaker 2: just through the years, you pick up all these skills
Speaker 2: and then you take them for granted.
Speaker 3: And I have.
Speaker 2: A speaking coach who I work with and He always
Speaker 2: tells me, brand is, you have so much to teach,
Speaker 2: why aren't you teaching more?
Speaker 3: And finally I was like, he's right, I'm going to
Speaker 3: start to teach more.
Speaker 2: And so I wrote a second book, Small Business Big Partnerships,
Speaker 2: to help nonprofits and businesses build partnerships with brands and
Speaker 2: and part of that is because that information you really
Speaker 2: can't find it anywhere.
Speaker 3: Nobody's really telling you. It's kind of like marketing agencies
Speaker 3: have that info and they don't really want to share it.
Speaker 2: But I always go back Mandy to like the Brandes's
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, and everything I do, I'm like,
Speaker 2: how do I serve her? What she needed was something
Speaker 2: that didn't cost, you know, one thousand dollars. She needed
Speaker 2: like a guide for somebody to tell her this is
Speaker 2: how you do it.
Speaker 3: And so I'm just in a place where I'm really
Speaker 3: ready to share. So I wrote this book.
Speaker 2: I'm also doing a lot more like just coaching and
Speaker 2: teaching on my personal social media, and.
Speaker 3: I haven't started to do one on one coaching yet.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I'm ready for that, but I
Speaker 2: am definitely excited about sharing, like all of the knowledge
Speaker 2: that I've gained over this time with other people.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe I'm getting older, Mandy, maybe it's age.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm about to say, like one on one coaching,
Speaker 1: you don't you don't actually have to do that at
Speaker 1: all if you don't want to. And in fact, I
Speaker 1: love it so much. I loved speaking to women in
Speaker 1: one on one. But I didn't want to make that
Speaker 1: my business model as a career coach. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to make it like I need to get more women
Speaker 1: to pay me to talk to me now. I want
Speaker 1: to create a business where I just get to do
Speaker 1: that all the time anyway, you know. So for me
Speaker 1: it was about basically set you created a book, for example,
Speaker 1: And for me it was like, okay, creating coaching materials,
Speaker 1: creating things that I'm going to say the same I'm
Speaker 1: going to say this in coaching sessions. But how can
Speaker 1: I copy paste exactly what I'm going to say to
Speaker 1: like ninety percent of people who want, like our conversation
Speaker 1: will be these sort of basics. Let me like put
Speaker 1: that out, create it, sell that, you know, as a
Speaker 1: one off to anyone who just wants to pick that
Speaker 1: up and go about their way. But if you want me,
Speaker 1: like Tiffany says Sauce sold Separately, like I want to
Speaker 1: create a space. So I had my Mandy money Maker's
Speaker 1: community for that, where you know, I pop in and
Speaker 1: we have group coaching all the time, and if I
Speaker 1: have free time, I'll hop on Slack and answer questions
Speaker 1: there and just like be able to pour in on
Speaker 1: my own time. And it just feels I don't know,
Speaker 1: it feels better that way. And yeah, but I mean again,
Speaker 1: I feel like whenever I give advice to or just
Speaker 1: give my ideas, I feel like to add the caveat
Speaker 1: of like that's what's worked for me.
Speaker 3: Well, now look now we're Bessie. So I was papping
Speaker 3: into what's working for you because maybe it'll work for
Speaker 3: me as well.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm very very excited whatever, and this is a
Speaker 1: thing and for people like us who want to have
Speaker 1: it perfect and you know, do it to a high,
Speaker 1: high level. I also love to hear that you're giving
Speaker 1: yourself space to figure it out.
Speaker 3: Absolutely know I am.
Speaker 1: I did one hundred something free coaching calls before I
Speaker 1: decided what my business was even going to be. I
Speaker 1: was like, can I can I talk to people?
Speaker 3: Do I like it?
Speaker 1: Do they like it. Am I doing something, you know,
Speaker 1: and then to figure it out the next thing and
Speaker 1: figured out the next thing. And yeah, I just think
Speaker 1: too many of us are expecting to have this perfect
Speaker 1: roadmap and sometimes and I like to hear that you too,
Speaker 1: just give yourself space to play, just play.
Speaker 2: Like I say, everything's in beda, everything's in beta, so
Speaker 2: it takes the pressure off. There are two things I
Speaker 2: always tell on myself, brand is, everything's in beta and
Speaker 2: then let's just see what happens do it.
Speaker 3: Let's just see what happens. Maybe it work, maybe it don't.
Speaker 3: But it takes all the pressure off.
Speaker 1: That's my philosophy for life. That's why I'm not that
Speaker 1: little spitfire at Thanksgiving dinner table that's always going to
Speaker 1: cause a ruckus. I'm like, let's just ask that question
Speaker 1: and see what what chaos can I bring? I have Like,
Speaker 1: it's basically like how a toddler operates, if you think
Speaker 1: about it. Oh, brand Is Daniel, thank you so so
Speaker 1: so so much for being so incredibly generous with your time,
Speaker 1: your wisdom, your thoughts. Be a fan, please please run
Speaker 1: and go follow brain As on all platforms. Check out
Speaker 1: her incredible podcast, which you can see on YouTube called
Speaker 1: Fashion and Color. You can also listen to it where
Speaker 1: you're listening to brand Ambition. Why not have a little
Speaker 1: companion show right, have a little like We can whichever
Speaker 1: one you want to do first. We can be the appetizer,
Speaker 1: she can be the entree. Whatever. But brandis I cannot
Speaker 1: wait to follow more of what you do. And I
Speaker 1: just thank you again for the generosity much.
Speaker 3: For having me. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Bye.