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Speaker 1: Hi, welcome in. I'm dougta leave. This is all ball. Um. Look,

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Speaker 1: I could go into everything that's happening in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: like Lebron James get into a scuffle as Isaiah Stewart. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll go into that for a second, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: get to what I think is a fabulous two part

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Speaker 1: Way to hear his background and some of the things

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Speaker 1: be very very interesting, um, in regards to the I

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Speaker 1: Steward lost his mind, but he lost his fucking mind.

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Speaker 1: And and you'll you'll get this from people who didn't

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Speaker 1: play basketball. Really, is that what Lebron James hit him

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Speaker 1: what happened. They got caught kind of hand fighting, and

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Speaker 1: the guy Isaiah, grabbed his arm and when he shook

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Speaker 1: is to happen to hit him in the face. So

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Speaker 1: he got thrown out of the game. Now, the NBA

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Speaker 1: like it'd be double jeopardy to kick him out of

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Speaker 1: going to give you to use for those people. They're

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Speaker 1: I mean, my friend, Well, you can use that people

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Speaker 1: Those are civilians right where you have a kind of

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Speaker 1: a master class in what you're doing. All right, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know why is as Stewart lost his mind

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Speaker 1: I don't think Lebron in any way intend to hit him, um,

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Speaker 1: but I also think that that if you're Lebron, you

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Speaker 1: been a long year so far. It's not going to

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Speaker 1: watching your team play. Joe buddhas are famously started the

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Speaker 1: Let's find out, Um, Joe, I look, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: but that is that like a I don't know you

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Speaker 1: but it is my pod. But the change in basketball

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Speaker 1: no specs or anything on it. So the word is

426
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Speaker 1: intense detailed. I mean, but what what I like about

427
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: a Doug is he backed his He backed up his his.

428
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: I guess his style with research. I mean, the guys prepared,

429
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's one thing when dudes come

430
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: in and they're just like all out of control and

431
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: they're yelling at this guy, and you know, guys are like,

432
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: what does he talking about? Even watched the film? I

433
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: mean if if he said something, he researched it. You know,

434
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: he's so smart. Um, everything that he demanded from a

435
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: basketball piece, he did himself. So he's the one watching

436
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: film too. It wasn't like, you know, you guys all

437
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: watch film and don't miss don't do this, don't do that.

438
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: He just knew. So you knew when you were doing

439
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 1: something for coach Night that he was going to know

440
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: what you were supposed to be doing. But he knows

441
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: the right answer because it's not he's he's not aloof

442
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: to anything. So it was an amazing experience just in

443
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: terms of how to run if I left basketball and

444
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: going into business, which of course many of his players

445
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: and coaches have. It's just a lesson out look. You

446
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 1: have to from top to bottom. Intense. It was very intense,

447
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: now was it. Some days I wanted to get the

448
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: hell out of there because it was intense. He give

449
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: me out of here, you know, But I think it

450
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: made my other times, you know, better. But he was.

451
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: He was incredible. Yeah, I mean really, you know, there's

452
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: there's a lot to coach Night, and yes there's been

453
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: some things, of course over the years, but I mean

454
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: his preparation for for the games and just his he

455
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: knew everything about me by the time I was done

456
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: with their I mean, you know how hard it is.

457
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 1: I became at twenty one years old. I got a

458
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: full time assistant job at Wyoming. You don't do that

459
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: without Coach Night, you know. So this is a guy

460
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: that like he sticks, he's loyal to what he to,

461
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 1: what he says he's gonna do. But let me tell

462
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: you that the ride is rocky along the way. It's

463
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: not easy, you know, I mean, it's it's there were

464
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: days when I was like, I don't know if I

465
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Speaker 1: could take it. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports

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469
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: Could he exist in today's world? Like and and and

470
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: part of it is it's a lot like the well,

471
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: Jordan's couldn't shoot threes, so he wouldn't be the same. Like, look,

472
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: do you not think Michael Jordan would evolve, you know,

473
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: in two thousands? Right? But like if if Brook Lopez

474
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: can become a three point shooter, I'm pretty sure Michael

475
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: Jordan can become a three point shooter, right right? But

476
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: but could Bob Knight evolved to two thousand one? Oh boy?

477
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: You know, he's so true to who he was unless

478
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: he evolved, Yeah, I don't think so, you know what

479
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean? And I think that you know, just what

480
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: you see happening today of people talking about you know,

481
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: I guess unsafe or not unsafe, but whoever, workplace issues

482
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm trying to find the word whatever,

483
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: like a too intense workplace issue, verbal beratings, you know,

484
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: things like that. I mean, if you work for coach Knight,

485
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: if somebody you know said he you know and touch

486
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: anyone or anything like that. But it was just constant

487
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: mental strain, you know, of of doing that. So I

488
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: think in today's world that would have been it would

489
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: have been a topic of discussion. Could he have done it?

490
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: He's smart enough to you know what I mean. The

491
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: guy's a genius, So it mean it's not he's not

492
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: going to figure out how to do it. So the answer,

493
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: you'd have to tone it, tone it down a little bit.

494
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: I also think, and again you tell me if I'm wrong,

495
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: because you lived, I would tell you that he got

496
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: into TV fifteen years too late. Had he got into

497
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: TV in two thousands, like right when it ended it Indiana,

498
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: or or a couple of years before that, he might

499
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: have been the greatest TV commentator ever. And I say

500
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: that because at that point in time, he was so

501
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: incredibly popular, right and he was not he was he

502
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: was polarizing, but it was but he also and and

503
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure you experienced this there, it was a charm

504
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: to him. There's a humor to him, right, I mean,

505
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: he would be messing with you and like you kind

506
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: of get it, but I just like, look, he's not

507
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: He would never have the likability of Vitale, but he

508
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: could have been the Simon Cow of college basketball. The

509
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: problem was, by the time it ended a Texas Tech,

510
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he loved it anymore, you know, and

511
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: he was he had just between the travel and trying

512
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: to teach people things that he felt to be way

513
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: below his level of acumen. Like it was just too late.

514
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: But I do think that if it was like late nineties,

515
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he was an incredibly popular and

516
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: engaging figure. I think the TV thing happened too late.

517
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: And I think that because that's what people remember, what

518
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: they saw last of them. And then the chair throwing

519
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: always comes up that there's a huge chunk of his

520
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: career that is never discussed now among the all time grades,

521
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: and he's absolutely among the all time grades, no question. Yeah,

522
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: the TV thing when he did that, he was like, Yeah,

523
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: his heart wasn't in that you could tell, but his

524
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know from his insight as as a

525
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: TV guy yourself with me is insight into what he

526
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: could do would be crazy. You know, well, I mean

527
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: it's like like Majari's Like sitting next to Majari's was

528
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: like it was like a cheap code, Like I think

529
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: I know a lot about basketball. He no, you know

530
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen yours? You know, you know, and then

531
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: like like ohly ship that he's happing, right, I mean,

532
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: and uh uh but Majaried's you know again kind of

533
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: like those guys didn't want to take cues. Here. Here's

534
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: my favorite coach Night TV story. Okay, so he remember

535
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: he quit midyear and his and his son took over,

536
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: and so he comes up. He said ESPN ESPN guys

537
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: were doing backflips over him and his like first night

538
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: doing Studio West Virginia's playing they had Joe Alexander and

539
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: so and Joe played great, and he's like Joe, Joe,

540
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, So he said, it's okay. So he goes,

541
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, Joexander is the best college best player I've

542
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: seen this year, right, So you know, I mean we

543
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: blow it up where at ESPN, We put it everywhere

544
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: like Josder coach best college basketball player. So I call Pat,

545
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, Pat, what is your dad? Doing like I

546
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: love Joe Alexander. He the best college basketball player right,

547
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: like he goes, did you actually hear what he said?

548
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: I was like, he said, he's the best college basketball

549
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: player in the country. Like no, he said, he's the

550
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: best college basketball player he's seen. Its like he didn't

551
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: ever watched any fucking tape he watched tape on our team, Okay,

552
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: and he didn't. He wasn't at that point time, wasn't

553
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: watching anybody else. And he can only tell you from

554
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: the and then you know, when you're coaching against people

555
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: that wasn't anybody who blew him away, and so literally,

556
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: jos and it was the best college basketball player he

557
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: had seen that year. It wasn't a lie. It was

558
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: really what he thought. I believe that for sure. Coaches.

559
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: One of my favorite stories with him is many. But

560
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: we were getting ready to play Duke in the Final

561
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: four and we're going through the Scounder report and he

562
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: kept calling Christian Layn or Latiner and finally walked over

563
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: to one of us, as I said, surely, he asked

564
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: to know what the guy's name. I mean, you know,

565
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: Christian Layton was one of the top guys in the country,

566
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: but just just that he had to call him latin er.

567
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: You know during the thing, I was like, who's latin?

568
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: That was the That was the phone game, right, that

569
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: was when he slammed down the phone. That was the

570
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: same tournament, right yeah. And of course he's coaching against

571
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: Chefku was his his point guard. What was that? What

572
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: was that like for you? What? What are your memberies

573
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: in that game? That game? Well, that whole tournament was

574
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: in a magical run. You know, we we really we

575
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: had I mean, you know remember those two teams. My

576
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: my last two years there. I think we lost six

577
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: games or something total in two years. You know, we're

578
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: number one of the country. Alan Henderson doesn't tear his

579
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: a c L. And in my last year there, we

580
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: probably got We lost to Kansas in the final late.

581
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: But that Duke final four game was you know, yeah,

582
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: just the tension and the preparation for we had just

583
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: beat the crap out of U c l A. And

584
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: that right was like at least and listen, so we

585
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: had some tickets and I was like a partial blake ballboy.

586
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: That team, that U c l A team was unbelievable.

587
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Tracy Murray and Don McLean domin clean all time lean

588
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: score at the PAC ten history right and Tracey m

589
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: and I mean they had like twelve pros on that

590
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: team and that game was at the Pit in New Mexico, Albuquerque. Yeah,

591
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: and we had just beaten Shock and Analyst, you you know,

592
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: the game before, so you know, and and I remember

593
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: coaches preparation to this day for Shock of of flashing

594
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Matt Nover who you know, people know him as Ricky

595
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: row and Blue Chips, but Matt was a great player

596
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: for UH, for coach, and he would flash Matt to

597
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: the high post. And he kept saying in the shoot around,

598
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: Shaquille is not going to come out because they were

599
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: to sit in the two three zone and Matt had

600
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: like twenty you know, which is matt average is like eight, right,

601
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: So he was just him and Alan Henderson were knocking

602
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: down elbow jump shots all day long. Right. So yeah,

603
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: I remember those games bybically. The Duke game was amazing,

604
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the preparation was so intense, This

605
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: tension was intense. Obviously, a new coach playing against coach

606
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: k was you know a big thing for him. And

607
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: you know they had early they had Grant Hill and

608
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 1: they had a good team and it was a hell

609
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: of a game, but just felt it felt a little

610
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: bit short, and they went on to beat Michigan, you know,

611
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: and that I think that was the I know that

612
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: the game. Whoever called the time, I don't remember when.

613
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: That was North Carolina, so that was in Minnesota. That

614
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: was in Minnesota, right, And the fourth team in the

615
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: Final four Cincinnati, Yeah, yeah, with with Nick van Exel

616
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: and Corey Blunt and those guys, no question, and Arthur

617
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: Long Art Long was that the guy Long was on

618
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: that team. Not yet he punched the police horse. That's

619
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: what I like. I remember scouting for that game whenever

620
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: the oh you know what he played? We played Cincinnati

621
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: when when I was at Wyoming because Joeb and uh

622
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: Joby right and Huggins were buddies, so they came out.

623
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: Tuggins actually came to uh Laramie, which we couldn't believe

624
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: he did that. And I remember saying to someone, don't

625
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: mess with that guy. He punched a police horse. Yeah, like,

626
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: so imagine what will do to you? So you get

627
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: done as a student and then how did how did

628
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: you join Joe? Did you go through coach night? It

629
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: was a job like how did it? How did it

630
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: take place? So Job was assistant at Indiana when I

631
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: was a freshman, and I started helping with his recruiting

632
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: and move back to we were talking about before. That

633
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: was back when we you know, opened up Tom kinchel

634
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: Skis uh you know report and the mail and then

635
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: we do the all the different report Bob Gibbons, all them,

636
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, all the guys you remember real well. And

637
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: I would start organizing them for Joe being a different way.

638
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: So I was like creating new recruiting cheats. So he

639
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: and I hit it off. As you know, when a

640
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: coach finds a manager that does good stuff, they used

641
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: the hell out of him. You know how that goes.

642
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: So it's all day. So it um Job and I

643
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: got to know each other. He went to Miami, Ohio

644
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: for my sophomore junior, senior year and then when I graduated,

645
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: he got the job at Wyoming. So I remember the story.

646
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: You know what you do is you go into you

647
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: talk to Mary Ann coaches as a secretary and say

648
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to coach night. So you know,

649
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: you wait like a month to talk to Mary L

650
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: and say, hey, coach, coach wants to talk to you now,

651
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: So you go up to his office. He had like

652
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: a little manager's office downstairs. To go up to the office,

653
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there, nervous as hell, and I said, hey, coach,

654
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: at you know, obviously I'm trying to get a coaching

655
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: job after this, and I just want to know if

656
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: I you to use you as a resident reference. And

657
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: everybody'd say, yeah, you know, he just too completely blew

658
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: it off. Um maybe four days before graduation. I had

659
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: no idea what I was gonna do. I ended up

660
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: getting a degree in English literature because I liked it.

661
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't want to teach. I just I

662
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: figured it was a good base in case I uh,

663
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: in case I coach and I had thrown me out

664
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: of practice a couple of times where I started to

665
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: go register for the l S A t to see

666
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: to go to law school, and I figured my coaching

667
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: career was was doomed. But I got a phone call

668
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: maybe four or five days before graduation, was like Monday

669
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: or Tuesday from upstairs and Mary Anne said, come upstairs, coach,

670
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: and I put me on the phone with job and

671
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: he said, what are you doing? And I said, well,

672
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a job, and he said, I'd like

673
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: for you to come out and I said, well, I'd

674
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: love to interview and have a chance to come out there.

675
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: He goes, no, I want you to come out work.

676
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: So it was like a ten second I'm done. I

677
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: got hired. I walked back downstairs. I said, that'd be great.

678
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: I am going to Wyoming. I'm I'm from Detroit. I

679
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: went to school Indiana. I have no idea what the

680
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: hell Laramie, Wyoming is or why I'm going there. But

681
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: at the same time, I went home and I packed

682
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: up my ship and I skipped graduation and I moved

683
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: to Laramie, Wyoming. So, yeah, I was, I was, I'm

684
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: a young guy from my age. So I just your one.

685
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: How much? How much are you making? That was? I

686
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: was restricted earnings? Remember that? So it was twelve thousand

687
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: plus four Yeah, six six sixteen grand at home? Is

688
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: where I'm from Detroit? Yeah, so you go home? Oh no, no,

689
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: So I went home to Bluemingtain. I never went to Detroit.

690
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: I just went to my place in Blooming Stuff. What

691
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: kind of car um? So I have a I have

692
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: an interesting story that a manager from Kentucky gave me

693
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: an idea to do a barn storming tour when I

694
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: was a senior UM and so I approached coach Night

695
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: with it and uh or before the season, and he

696
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: threw me out of the gym, told me never to

697
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: come back, and then realized it was a pretty good idea,

698
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: called me back the next day and said, Okay, here's

699
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. I don't want to hear a

700
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: word about it until the season is over. If I do,

701
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: you're out of here and sober, and you can do it.

702
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: But um, you're gonna split the money six ways with

703
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: the players, four players and then myself and Marty Polio

704
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: who's his dad. Mike Polio was the ad uh He

705
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: was the head coach at Eastern Kentucky for a while

706
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: and then assisted a d in Louisville. So we organized

707
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: a nine game barn storming tour after the season. And

708
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: this will tell you about my car. So I, um,

709
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: I went nuts with it. And you know that team

710
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: was all time winning his team in Indiana history. So

711
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: you know we had Calbert Cheney. So first game is

712
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: at Evansville at Robert Stadium where he's where he's front

713
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: from Calberts from and you know, I had like three

714
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: T shirts, two for styles. You know, I was a

715
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: five star guy, right, So I ran the canteen at

716
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: five star, which is even better because I knew how

717
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: to make all the money from the stuff. So we

718
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: sold Doug nine thousand seats for that first game UM

719
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: in Roberts Stadium, and I walked out of there that

720
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: night with a check for eighty five thousand dollars in

721
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: ticket sales, and we sold out every T shirt. So

722
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: they were like, and I had autographed pictures of the

723
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: guys and we sold all those outs like four for

724
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: ten bucks or one for whatever it was. I don't

725
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: even remember. So I walked in and I remember my

726
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: current wife's sister was helping me. Uh she's my girl,

727
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: my girlfriend at the time. Sister said, hey, can you

728
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: come help me sell these teachers? As she rides in

729
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: the car with me Evansville, no change, like to give

730
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: anyone no place to put the money. I was like

731
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: stuffing money into my briefcase. Long story short, we played

732
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: nine games and we made almost a quarter million dollars

733
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: uh in nine games that we all split. So I

734
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: had a car, had a new Ford Explorer in cash

735
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: they bore in small bills. Absolutely. I used to meeting

736
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: the guys, right, so I'm so worried that Calbert wouldn't

737
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: show up for the next game. Chris Reynolds and all

738
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: those guys are go ahead. So um, okay, So you

739
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 1: got a brand new car, you packed car, brand new draft.

740
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: I take you drove to Laramie. Oh no, no, I

741
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: think I shipped the car to Larry. I don't remember

742
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: what I did. Yeah, we I flew and then shipped

743
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: it at the time, Why did you drive? I don't

744
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: know what I was doing at the time, but I

745
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: had that car. I definitely had that Explorer. Um Laramie

746
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Wyoming mm hmm. The early nineties, yeah, yeah, described Oh boy, yeah,

747
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: I was, you know, coming from Michigan and in Indiana.

748
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: It was the only thing anybody kne about Wyoming basketball

749
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: was Fennis Denboo. Yeah, that's even the Sailors. Yeah, you know,

750
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: Kenny Sailors. They say invent at the jump shot, right, Yeah,

751
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: the picture and debo and other than that. What was

752
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: what was ninety three Laramie Wyoming like for a kid

753
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: from Detroit via Bloomington, it was tough. Yeah, I mean,

754
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: thank god, I love basketball. The people were super nice,

755
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: super duper nice. So you know, it was like I

756
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: had no issue with that. I mean, Laramie is the university,

757
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: is the city, right, So to put it this way,

758
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: about six months I had a place a friend of mine,

759
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Greg Smith, who owned the two restaurants in town. That's it.

760
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: And every day I would go there for dinner and

761
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: he had my dinner like ready for me at the bar.

762
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: So that was it. And six months after I got there,

763
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I was out on I was out on a ranch

764
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: helping brand cattle, and I was like, yeah, so the

765
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: funny story. I remember the old white Kse Swiss shoes

766
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: that were like the real nice white was it. I

767
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: showed up to brand cattle and case Swiss shoes. They

768
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: were like, uh, those aren't gonna work. So it was cool.

769
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look that I was so excited. You know

770
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: how young coaches are. I didn't give a ship where

771
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: I was. You know, I was like I just want

772
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: to work, um, but it was cool. I actually got

773
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: married shortly after that, so I dragged my wife to

774
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: larry me Wyoming with an NBA degree and she actually

775
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: worked for the Wyoming Technical Institute which is an automotive school.

776
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: There's only you know, there's not that many jobs in town.

777
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: So she she she bit the bullet with me. But look,

778
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: we drive down to Fort Columns on the weekends, we went,

779
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, to Boulder. We we we we made the

780
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: most of it. But it was great. I mean that

781
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: we we had the largest crowd in school history my

782
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: second year there against b Yu. You know when they

783
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: had some of those good teams. We had a good team.

784
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: We have we have THEO Ratmuth right, So that was

785
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: we inherited THEO, which which helped us out. What was

786
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: He's like the original rim protector and and I mean

787
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: there's a guy whose game would translate incredibly well now

788
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: and obviously with the six years they went to the

789
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: NBA finals with him. What was what was THEO like?

790
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: And and so is Joe be running motion? What was

791
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: how was he coaching? Yeah, yeah, the most same, same

792
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: exact thing. So we tried. The only thing is we

793
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: realized and I realized now that you can't run motion

794
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: without players like Indiana, you know, so we had to

795
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: start re recruiting players. Yeah, we had a bad motion group.

796
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: We it in. We put in Dug entries right, which

797
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: were like quick hitters off the motion and it would

798
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: go into motion. So we had to put in entries.

799
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: And we did have out of bounced plays because if

800
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: we had no out of bounce plays with our guys,

801
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: we would have been maybe scoring in the wrong basket.

802
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: So you know, it would have been a little bit

803
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: of chass. But we we we feel it was amazing,

804
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: you know when we we had him for two years

805
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: and our defense is like top five of the country,

806
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: and you know, we thought it was our coaching. And

807
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: then when he left, we went to like three hundred

808
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: in the country because you see, he was he and

809
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: heal would have learned two threes today for sure. And

810
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: if Deal would have made threes, he would have played,

811
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: you know, he played a long time anyways, But we

812
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: had we did. We ran motion, We tried to run it,

813
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: but we had to make some adjustments on that, and

814
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: then we had to retool our recruiting, and you know,

815
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: really it's it's you know, getting a guy recruiting to Laramie.

816
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: So after my second year there, both the other assistants left,

817
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: so I got promoted to the to recruit. After two seasons.

818
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: On twenty three, I'm on the road. It's not easy

819
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: recruiting kids to Laramie. You know, it's just a difficult.

820
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: You know, we were planting people on the corner of

821
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: the street and you go stand there, and then we

822
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: drive into town and way and said, oh yeah, there's

823
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: the track team, and you know, you have to pull

824
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: out some smoke and mirrors. But the people were really great,

825
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: and the fan support is obviously very good up there

826
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: when you're winning. Plus you're playing an altitude right, which

827
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: playing out people think Denver's high. It's it's two thousand

828
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: feet higher than Denver. Right. Have you seen what they

829
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, they redid the arena. It is really nice.

830
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't. I haven't been in there. They

831
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: did a really good job, it is. They changed it

832
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: so it's not the old roundhouse like it was, adjusted

833
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: the seats and it's like a true basketball arena. It's

834
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of spectacle. It's really good what they've done.

835
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: They just got to get it going again because that

836
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: is a incredible fan base when they're good. Right, you

837
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: got the guy, you have the guy in the barrel. Yeah, absolutely,

838
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I hate to say it, but they

839
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: don't really have any if if if the Polkes as

840
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: they call them, are winning, they're going to the game.

841
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: You know, you'll get people drive from Gillette, which is

842
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: like five hours. I mean, it doesn't matter where. It's

843
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: only show in town, only showing the state. Yeah, so

844
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: what what we went? We had? We had. We were

845
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: there four years. We we my second and third year,

846
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: we had really good years. And then Paul Wrote, who

847
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: was John Madden's offensive coordinator, was the A D. He

848
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: was a friend of Buzz Kirpius, who was the academic

849
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: advisor who you might remember from the season on the

850
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Brain Books at IU. So that's how the job connection came.

851
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: We got a new A D my fourth year there,

852
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: and that was it. You know, he just didn't groove

853
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: with job, and we weren't. We were five hundred, you know,

854
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: we weren't really turning it over. And uh, you know

855
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: we got fired after that, after my fourth season at Wyoming.

856
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: So that was how did it come to be that

857
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: you kind of winning your own thing. You didn't keep

858
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, show up the convention or go with another

859
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: night guy, right, you know, go with dockets or whatever.

860
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: How did it come to be that you did your

861
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: own thing. I was gonna go with Dan to Bowling Green. Right.

862
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: Dan was at Bowling Green and we had talked about it,

863
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: and he made a statement to me one day. He said,

864
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: you know you'd come to Bowling Green, but let me

865
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: ask you a question. You know, he'd known me since

866
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: I was a kid, since I've got to eye you.

867
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: And I said what He said, you really want to

868
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: be an assistant at Bowling Green And I said, not really,

869
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: you know. So anyways, I went back to uh, so,

870
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: so Andy Miller, who's you know, the agent Andy Miller?

871
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: Who's who? So? Andy grew up with Lawrence Frank. Lawrence

872
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: Frank and I went to college together. So during college

873
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: Andy would come stay with us at at I use

874
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: so I've known him since I was nineteen years old.

875
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: So he called me and said, hey, in between coaching jobs,

876
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: you want to work some guys out. And I said, well,

877
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, because you know, you get

878
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: fired in March, and you get paid through whatever at

879
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: the end of the summer, and then you know that

880
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: next couple of months is what you decide what you

881
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: want to do. So I wasn't gonna go with Dan.

882
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: I started thinking maybe I don't want to. So Andy said, hey,

883
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: let's do this. So right away I said, sure, whatever,

884
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: I'll do it. And I had always had a background

885
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: and strength and conditioning and nutrition. So I've you know,

886
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: not only myself stay in shape and him into it,

887
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: but I've studied it. I had my c scs, you know,

888
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: Certified Strength Conditioning coach stuff. So they just started sending me.

889
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: So the first trip I took was to the University

890
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: of Nebraska, and I said, sure, I'll do it. And

891
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: he goes, all right, we need to go to Nebraska.

892
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: There's this kid Toronto lou who are we're going to

893
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: sign and we need to get him on and Trician plan.

894
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: We need to get him started working out. He's gonna

895
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: leave school. So I said, okay, So I get on

896
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: a plane to link in Nebraska. No idea what I'm doing.

897
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: You know, I remember like packing, uh, like MYO plex

898
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: e a S shakes, you know, the remember the old shakes. Yeah,

899
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: And I just went and I started training tie And

900
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: I didn't even really know what training was, you know,

901
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: because in college basketball even today, you know, we have

902
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: fifty guys every year, forty that are preparing for the

903
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: draft and many of them will tell us, we've never

904
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: done workouts like that before, you know, because most of

905
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: the stuff in college it's getting better, but a lot

906
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: of it is more team oriented, and and you know

907
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: you're coming off curles and you're you know you're doing

908
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: stuff you're gonna do in the in the offense, whereas

909
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: you know what we're doing is we're expanding guys games.

910
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: So I had to learn a lot. But yeah, I

911
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: started training tie and then the guy Andy was working for,

912
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: Eric Fleischer, sent me out to New York and I

913
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: did a camp for Stefan Markburry and at the camp

914
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: was eighteen year old al Harrington Um and I started

915
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: to training out and so maybe two weeks later and

916
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: called me back, he said, hey, we got I have

917
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: moved back to Bloomington. Because I said, okay, while I'm

918
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: in transit here, I want to go back, right. I

919
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: don't want to get I wasn't excited to stay in Larry.

920
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: But I went back to Bloomington's and the next thing

921
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: I knew, they said, we're gonna send you to hron

922
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: and Al to training for the draft. And so this

923
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: was in after my my year there. I said, cool,

924
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: send them so, I mean they stayed. Both of those

925
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: guys lived in my basement for a long time, you know.

926
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: And I didn't have a facility, so I used the

927
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: Eye Youth Facility, So I was using the rec center there,

928
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: the hyper building. Coach Knight let me use the assembly

929
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: hall sometimes, and I just started training him and I

930
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: just started spending all day with them, and I just started, uh,

931
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: you know Charles Jones, remember Charles the scorer from Long

932
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: Island University. Course he lived in there. Yeah, so these

933
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: are stuff all Tyrone Lou crossed me up when they

934
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: beat us at our place, like right right, these are

935
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: this is this is my these are all names, and

936
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: like yep, yeah, you know all those guys. Yeah. So

937
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: they just came to Bloomington's and I had a little

938
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: training business and Lemington and I started working them out

939
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: and I would just spend my whole day with my

940
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: lift them. I teach him how to eat, I take

941
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: him to the grocery store. I was cooking for him

942
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: in my kitchen. My wife was like, who are all

943
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: these people living in my house? I said, deal with

944
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: it right now. And then when I did, Doug Is,

945
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I had my camp background said

946
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: why don't I run? I told Eric Fleisher, I said,

947
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, he had KG, he had Chauncey m a

948
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: bunch of other guys that he had still when to

949
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: run their summer camps. Like I could run their camps.

950
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: I can make these guys some money. So I made

951
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: a little business where I was training them but then

952
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: supplementing my income with because no one knew what the

953
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: charge training. I mean, it wasn't the same. So I

954
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: was running their summer camps. So that's what I did.

955
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: I just said, you know what, I kind of like this,

956
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I ran the Kevin Garnett fan club, right,

957
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: So all of his fan mail would come to my

958
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: condo in Bloomington's boxes and boxes and boxes, and I

959
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: would stay up all night and I would enter all

960
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: the names into a label sheet, remember like on a

961
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: word processor, it wasn't like today. And I would print

962
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: out the labels and I made up this um. I

963
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: made up this page that said, you know, Kevin Garnut

964
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: Fan Club, autographed picture newsletter, blah blah blah, and I

965
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: would mail them all back. So every night I would

966
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: just do as much as I could, so I fell

967
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: asleep I started going to my mailbox and just opening

968
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: up the mailbox. They're just like thirty envelopes, forty envelopes,

969
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: just twenty bucks, twenty bucks, twenty bucks. I was like,

970
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: what is going So I just did it. I just

971
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: started doing that. I said, you know what, I'm gonna

972
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: stay away from coaching for a little bit and see

973
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: if I can give this thing a run. I love

974
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: the training piece of it because I just love spending

975
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: the time with the guys and I loved, you know,

976
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: pushing them every day. So so I don't want to like,

977
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: I know again, it's like your business, but what's the

978
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: what's the process of I'm fascinating. But for example, eating, Okay,

979
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: So I'm I grew up in South in California and

980
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: Marvin Murnovisch was was like the guru, uh so, and

981
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: and lots of people had mixed feelings about Marv because, um,

982
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: those of us who loved and got to no Marv

983
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: like he was awesome, but he's not for everybody, and

984
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: he's I'm not sure if there's an Asperger's there's something

985
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: socially that was a little different. But um, he was

986
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: the first one to tell me like, okay, you need

987
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: to read this book about the zone diet, okay, and

988
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: you need to understand that like basically everything you're taught

989
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: in school about nutrition is wrong, and complex carbohydrates are

990
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: like eating candy bars, right, And this is what you

991
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: need to do and with this, and if you want

992
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: to do it, if you want to want to make it,

993
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: and I will tell you on equivocally the change in

994
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: my body changing my diet was earth shattering, Okay, But

995
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: I was looked at like I was looning tunes at

996
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: the time, right this you know you're eating nuts and avocados, right,

997
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: You're like, uh mono unsaturated fats nobody thought about. So

998
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: he was way ahead of this time. He all, so,

999
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: and I just my first basketball injury ever was four

1000
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: and a half months ago. I tore my a c L.

1001
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: And what he had taught me then and I'm experienced

1002
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: now is like a lot of what he did, balance bands, pilates,

1003
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: stuff was all things that he took from rehab. Because

1004
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: the idea was like when you rehab, you rehab that

1005
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: whole body, that whole area. But then when people train,

1006
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: they train you know, the bigger muscles. And he was like,

1007
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: this doesn't make any sense. You have to train the

1008
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: whole body to kind of work together as one. And

1009
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: so many of the things, the balance things that people

1010
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: have done now in the last fifteen years. Years ago,

1011
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: he was the one doing it using Russian techniques as well.

1012
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: And again we were seeing as looning to So this

1013
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: is late nineties and your training guys, and you have

1014
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: a background of nutrition. Are you still a high carb guy?

1015
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: Did you go to proteins? Like what was your approach

1016
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: for diet going back then? Harry Sears. Zone was my

1017
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: first book that we went through what you just said.

1018
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: We put the guys, we explained to them how your fat,

1019
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: your fat intake will open up the passages to burn energy,

1020
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: make your body more efficient. So Mars a little bit

1021
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: ahead of me, but very similar to what you're saying.

1022
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: We changed the way they were eating based on that

1023
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: Zone diet. And I don't know that. I think I

1024
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: maybe over the years have kind of like tweaked it

1025
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: a little bit from as more stuff came out. But

1026
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: that was the first I used to pull quotes from

1027
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: that book and give it to the guys, you know,

1028
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: and and really and and that was like the charts

1029
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: in that book we used it to go on so

1030
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: it made a huge as you know that I'm like

1031
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: these guys like they don't want to eat good, but

1032
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: then as soon as they do and they feel so good,

1033
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: they're like, I'll do that, you know, because they just

1034
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: feel so good. So we we took a very zone

1035
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: diet approach to what we were doing with all my players.

1036
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: And I was able to I was able to put

1037
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: them in a because we were making it in my house.

1038
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: We were ordering stuff. I had restaurants that were making

1039
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: it for him. So we really controlled those. You know,

1040
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: we only have five guys or four guys, it's easy

1041
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: to do um, but yeah, very much. So we changed

1042
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: the way they here's here's here's it going. So my dad,

1043
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: so Marv was like, Bob, he needs to have egg

1044
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: whites in his shake every morning, so I'm never forget

1045
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: like I got. Probably the first month that I was

1046
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: that I was trying this, my mom or dad would

1047
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: cook eggs and then take the yoke out, and then

1048
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: at some point I was I was telling him like,

1049
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't you know, like I drink

1050
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: it for I don't care. I actually like the taste

1051
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: of protein powder and whatever but um, like the egg white,

1052
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: the thickness. He's like, what are you talking about. I'm like, well,

1053
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, after you cook the egg white and take

1054
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: the guys like no, you know, you just back the

1055
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: egg like oh oh oh my god. We were pretty

1056
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: gross actually, to think about what you're saying, you put

1057
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I'm like, look, I'll eat anything, but Jesus

1058
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: cooked egg white. The milk stake was not good. It

1059
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: was not not not good. So I do I do understand,

1060
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: Like I can totally kind of picture this, okay, so um, yeah,

1061
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: the zone thing was amazing. Yeah, that was a great,

1062
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: great revelation. I think that book was a big one. Well,

1063
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean chain sports really, I mean

1064
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: it just it just did because if you remember, like

1065
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: when you're in college, but early on when you're coaching,

1066
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: you go night before a game and dudes are cardbloading.

1067
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: Everybody just pasta pasta pasta and I get to note

1068
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: the name and it's just like pastas, Like, coach, I

1069
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: don't need I don't need posta. Is it a diet?

1070
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: Are you? Is it a Jewish thing? It's like milk coaches.

1071
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: I was trying to explain to John McLoud Like, Coach,

1072
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: that's like eating a candy bar. Would would you on

1073
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: me eating candy bars the night before a game? He's like,

1074
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? This is what marathon runners.

1075
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: I was like, Coach, it's it's the wrong thing for you.

1076
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: You're glass index spikes up right and then you come

1077
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: down just like a sugar load, like you you need

1078
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: we need quality fats, coach, we need, we need salads,

1079
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: we need avocade, we need I need. I need chicken breasts.

1080
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: So so like the only way I could do it

1081
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: on the road with Notre Dame was I would get

1082
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: I would eat chicken breasts um usually and you know

1083
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: I had eat eggs, but they all they had like

1084
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: full eggs. I wanted egg whites whatever. Like I was

1085
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: the biggest pain in the ass ever because I'm just

1086
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: sitting here going like no, this is wrong. And then

1087
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: I get to and then and then we just get lifting.

1088
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: And so I finished high school. I was nineteen because

1089
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: I stayed back. So I'm nineteen years old and I

1090
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: get Notre Dame and I'm a hunter and sixty pounds.

1091
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: But I've been training with Mark and so I'm flying

1092
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: around and the strength coaches basically used the football strength program.

1093
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: And this is ninety five, right, this is when Creating

1094
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: first kind of came at first came on the market.

1095
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: So they're like giving us gator load and Creating and

1096
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: they're giving us gator load because my body fat was

1097
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: below with the calibers was below four and they were

1098
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: like worried about cramping, so had a pound Gator loads whatever.

1099
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, I was so that that And

1100
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: I know it's not real muscle weight with the CREA team,

1101
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: but I was just jet. So I went from I

1102
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: arrived Notre Dame in August und sixty pounds player, first

1103
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: game in November, I'm a hundred seventy seven pounds, right,

1104
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: and and I mean I'm I'm freaking diesel, but I'm

1105
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: not moving as well. Right, I'm not shoot. I can't

1106
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: shoot because I'm so. I just I got to where

1107
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: I love the weight room but like too much. And

1108
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: um okay. So then with your training with the weight training,

1109
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: where's that background come from? Because as you said, like

1110
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: though you studied it, you also are in English Lit major.

1111
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: So you're working out Tyler and al Harrington, but you're

1112
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: lifting with them. How did you, how did you get

1113
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: to what you wanted to work on with their bodies? Well,

1114
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: I became a fitness freak myself, so I used to come.

1115
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: I taught step aerobics. When the rebox Step first came out,

1116
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: I was one of the first guys to do spinning classes. UM.

1117
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: I had tie and those guys on bikes before spinning

1118
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: was spinning. UM. I came out to l A and

1119
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: work with Billy Blanks with TIBO for a long time

1120
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: with with his daughter Shelley, and um, it was just

1121
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: really a fitness craze for me. You know, I'm a

1122
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: trathlete now, so I've I've done twenty iron Man's that

1123
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: I continue to do them, and I'm just into it,

1124
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: always been into it personally. So what I was doing

1125
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: is I was kind of experimenting on myself UM as

1126
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: a young trainer and then taking it to them. But

1127
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, like the Tybo movements. As corny as it

1128
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: might sound, I mean those kind of though. That's what

1129
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: you're talking. It's control, its core strength, your hips. People

1130
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: talk about his hips are tight, his his gluts are weak.

1131
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: Where we knew that before I was having these guys

1132
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: do on the rebox step because I knew from doing class.

1133
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: When you do like me up ten times times, your

1134
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: butt starts burning, right, and it's just that different kind

1135
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: of burn. So we were doing you know, even to

1136
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: this day, different guys like Kyle Lowry does mostly polates.

1137
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't even do a ton of weight

1138
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: thing because you know his body size and his type.

1139
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: So back then I felt like I was way ahead

1140
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: of the game, like saying, Okay, we're gonna do isometric holds. Um.

1141
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: I had these guys working on their balance. I had them,

1142
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, even in the in the rebox, like the classes.

1143
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: With the music, you get a little you know, you

1144
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: get a little rhythm. It's movement patterns, you know. So

1145
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: we were Arnie Kandor who if you know Arnie who

1146
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: was with the Pistons for such a long time. He's

1147
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: a physical therapist who was with them throughout the all

1148
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: the years and now he's independent in Colorado. But I

1149
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: mean maybe Arnie was with Detroit maybe twenty five years

1150
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: throughout the Great days. He was the first guy that

1151
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: I ever studied under and learned from that was all

1152
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: about movement patterns, like really about movement. Even for me

1153
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: as a runner, when I had issues, he would get

1154
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: me in and like do these strange exercise where I

1155
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: was just kind of moving my arms and getting my

1156
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: body like like what am I doing? He's like, you know,

1157
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: you're finding your center of gravity and you're engaging your muscles.

1158
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: And so we got away from all that pumping iron

1159
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, early, and I'll tell you we you know,

1160
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: we we swiched. We switched to the Kaiser machines early

1161
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: because the air power right, and guys didn't like a

1162
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: lot of guys didn't like it because they want to

1163
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: go drive iron and they don't feel like they're doing anything.

1164
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: But you know, so from back from the late nineties,

1165
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: I was much with Mark. You know, we were doing

1166
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: single leg holes. We were doing you know a lot

1167
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: of work on unstable platforms to get the stabilizer muscles firing.

1168
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: And again I was I did it all with the guys, right,

1169
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: So I was doing the workouts with them and I

1170
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: was feeling my body get different ways, and and then

1171
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: doing additional studying. So we got some guys do need

1172
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: to put on strength, right, I mean that's just that's

1173
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: just a part of it. But there's other guys and

1174
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: you have to combine it with it's look, if you

1175
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: look at basketball today especially, but even in the it's

1176
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: all about speed and movement now, right, So you've got

1177
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean you've got guys like, uh, I'm watching some

1178
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: of the rookies in the NBA. I mean it's so skinny,

1179
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: but they're getting there because they can get to where

1180
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: they need to go, and it's there's not a lot

1181
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: of bumping and all that kind of stuff. So it's

1182
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: it's really very much on the same I'm on the

1183
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: same page and always have been with that whole body control.

1184
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to train my guys like dancers, you know,

1185
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: that was what I would tell them all the time.

1186
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: You remember Willie Gould, the wide receiver, did ballet right

1187
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: for the first time, we were doing yoga, you know.

1188
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: I had Chauncey Billips doing yoga and two thousand two

1189
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: or one or two, you know, and now it's like, oh,

1190
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: he does yoga. It's like I first started doing when

1191
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: I was the ESPN. I did a campaign with p

1192
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: ninety X and they had in the ninety minute yoga

1193
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: and I would do it like on I had little

1194
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: my kids really little at the time, and I would

1195
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: do it in the basement. Um, like on a Friday night,

1196
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: I would go to everybody go to sleep, and I

1197
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: go and do do the yoga. And I was like, God,

1198
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: why didn't I do this when I was a basketball player?

1199
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: Like this is sure, Yeah, this is my whole. I

1200
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: can literally my whole. Every muscle is firing, every single one. Right,

1201
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: it's all about change. There's no and there's no impact.

1202
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: It's like and I was, it was, I was, it

1203
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: was blown away by it. All right. That's the end

1204
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: of part one. The Doug Gotlip Show, by the way,

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00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,600
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Speaker 1: Serious x M two seventeen and two oh three. Stay

1209
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: tuned for part two. We'll probably take a day in

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: between and then we'll drop it. And that's more how

1211
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: he formulated moving to Vegas starting his own thing, what

1212
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: some of the discussions about diet are in terms of

1213
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: diet and exercise, and how ye, where where did his

1214
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: knowledge come from? You'll love it. That's for next time.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottie. This is all ball