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Speaker 2: And now your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 3: Today is Tuesday, April eighth, twenty twenty five, and we
Speaker 3: are sixteen days away from the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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Speaker 3: Nick Harris. Brian brought us Tommy yarsh Votch Lombardy with
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Speaker 4: Glad you're with us.
Speaker 3: All right, gentlemen, we're just over two weeks out. Thirty
Speaker 3: visits are now in the rearview mirror. There's been a
Speaker 3: lot of reported names kind of circling around Cowboys camp
Speaker 3: and who they've been talking to. Brian, let's get right
Speaker 3: into it. What does the list and some of the names.
Speaker 4: Mean to you?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the thirty visits are always important because
Speaker 5: this is really the first opportunity for Jerry and Steven.
Speaker 5: They do go to the combine, they do see the workouts.
Speaker 5: They are a part of all that, but they're not
Speaker 5: part of all the interviews and stuff like that. So
Speaker 5: the thirty visits are the opportunity for Jerry and Steven
Speaker 5: to kind of sit down with these kids and have
Speaker 5: a little bit of an understanding of maybe how what
Speaker 5: makes them tick. One of my favorite things is when
Speaker 5: these kids get pictures with Jerry in his office. I
Speaker 5: think that's the neatest thing in the world. And whether
Speaker 5: they get selected here or not, it's something they'll always remember.
Speaker 5: Just having a few moments with him is always something
Speaker 5: kind of fun. But yeah, it's a good opportunity, and
Speaker 5: then it also allows them to kind of maybe go
Speaker 5: into a little more in depth. You know, at the combine,
Speaker 5: you have a limited amount of time you could talk
Speaker 5: to these people and maybe you want to put them
Speaker 5: on board, Maybe you want to put them in a
Speaker 5: group setting. You know, maybe you want to have some
Speaker 5: of your own players meet with them, you know, with
Speaker 5: a Dak Prescott and others to come over and say
Speaker 5: hello and get an opportunity. So it's still about fact finding,
Speaker 5: and it's just done more on a personal level. And so,
Speaker 5: you know, those things are always important because when you
Speaker 5: when it comes down to it, the familiarity that Jerry
Speaker 5: and Steven have with these players, I think goes a
Speaker 5: long way to seeing who gets drafted.
Speaker 4: What do you think, Nick, Just based off of the
Speaker 4: names that you've seen out.
Speaker 6: There, Yeah, we can run through the names just Yeah,
Speaker 6: with fifteen of the thirty have been reported, we can
Speaker 6: go with Ohio State running back travy On Henderson, Ohio
Speaker 6: State receiver in Mecha Buca, Ohio State running back, when
Speaker 6: Shawn Judkins, Texas offensive lineman, Kelvin Banks, Texas defensive tackle,
Speaker 6: Alfred Collins, Texas safety, Andrew mccooba, Virginia Tech running back
Speaker 6: by shille Tutton Ole, miss defensive tackle, Walls for Nolan,
Speaker 6: Texas A and M defensive and Shamar Stewart Tennessee defensive
Speaker 6: en James Pierce Junior Missouri wide receiver Luther burd In
Speaker 6: the third, East Carolina corner Savon Revel which I've learned
Speaker 6: Savan courtesy of Tommy across from me. It's Savon very
Speaker 6: very strange, Arizona offensive line and Jonas Sava and Naia
Speaker 6: Arizona White wide receiver, Teteroa McMillan, and North Carolina running
Speaker 6: back of Marion Hampton. But yeah, from the names, I
Speaker 6: mean you're you're looking at the cowboys taking a look
Speaker 6: at multiple different positions in these first couple of rounds.
Speaker 6: Like all of those guys that I mentioned are guys
Speaker 6: you would take on either Day one or Day two,
Speaker 6: and uh, the majority are our first round type options.
Speaker 6: I mean you look at uh, you look at Shamar Stewart.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think that's gonna be a guy
Speaker 6: that Sarah forty four. You look at a Marion Hampton,
Speaker 6: that's probably not a guy that's Sarah at forty four.
Speaker 6: Ashon GenZ was one of the Dallas Day guys that
Speaker 6: they brought in. That's not gonna be a guy that's
Speaker 6: Sarah forty four. And then there's a lot of second
Speaker 6: round options. You know, Trevion Henderson is a mecha buga
Speaker 6: gonna slide, you know. Is that a guy you would
Speaker 6: hope would be there? Tuttan is going to be there
Speaker 6: in round two, round three. Uh, Savon Revel that's another
Speaker 6: guy we've talked a lot about there. Keeping their options
Speaker 6: open as far as position groups on these first two days,
Speaker 6: and I think they're just kind of kind of pick
Speaker 6: how the board falls, and you know, Schottenheimer talked about
Speaker 6: it at the league meetings last week in Florida. He's like,
Speaker 6: we're trying to set up set ourselves up in a
Speaker 6: position where we can take the best player available. And
Speaker 6: you know, they're they're looking at multiple different position groups.
Speaker 6: And you know, that would make sense to a certain
Speaker 6: extent because I think on the first two days they
Speaker 6: have to come away with a receiver in a corner.
Speaker 7: Nevertheless, but the board might fall that way.
Speaker 8: But I'll say this though, right, what about this safety?
Speaker 8: Like like that's the that's that one blinking light that's
Speaker 8: just on there. Like we we we've been talking about
Speaker 8: running backs for months. Yeah, wiree receivers, one tax, you know, linebacker,
Speaker 8: you know we what that one safety mean? You know,
Speaker 8: what's he doing there?
Speaker 5: And is there other saft Andrew mccob be doing And
Speaker 5: is there other safeties that we don't know about that
Speaker 5: they're potentially looking at too. Yeah, you know, having some
Speaker 5: guys that they brought in, you know, it was like
Speaker 5: what fifteen other names potentially that they could have brought
Speaker 5: in then, and maybe there's other safeties there. I think
Speaker 5: it's a fascinating question.
Speaker 8: Having having five running backs mean all right, so we
Speaker 8: running back business. Whether it's early or whether.
Speaker 7: They were last year too, they loved a lot of us.
Speaker 8: But look that that that means we're in the running
Speaker 8: back business. We're in the wide receiver business. But they
Speaker 8: may not be in the safety business. But they're in
Speaker 8: Andrew mccooba business.
Speaker 9: What that means?
Speaker 8: So now, so now I just want to ask, sure, Tommy,
Speaker 8: Now I want to ask where you take this guy.
Speaker 8: We have a general idea about where all these guys go.
Speaker 8: But when I see mox, I see nonsense like have
Speaker 8: him in the third he's he's he's safety one for me.
Speaker 8: The cowboys ain't gotta bleed what I believe. But he
Speaker 8: could go forty four, he could go third or something
Speaker 8: like that.
Speaker 9: Where does he go?
Speaker 5: Tom So?
Speaker 10: Two things?
Speaker 11: One, you know, thirty visits are just to clarify it's
Speaker 11: not always necessarily an indicator of interest, right, It's it's
Speaker 11: a lot of guys that there are.
Speaker 10: Interesting, but not necessarily. They obviously can't pick all thirty guys.
Speaker 11: Sure, so that's something to remember. But you do bring
Speaker 11: up a good point because mc cuba is an interesting one.
Speaker 11: My question to the group would be would you play
Speaker 11: mccouba Nickel.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's something I wanted to bring up too.
Speaker 11: I would really think about it, because if that's the case,
Speaker 11: then I think you make a case for him in
Speaker 11: the second round.
Speaker 10: I think he's got the coverability to play Nickel.
Speaker 5: I think he's the second round player regardless of where
Speaker 5: you're playing. So I don't see any I don't see
Speaker 5: any real real weakness to his game. People will talk
Speaker 5: about his six footies one eighty six. But I'm watching
Speaker 5: I'm watching some tape the other night and he happens
Speaker 5: to show up. I'm watching A and M or something.
Speaker 5: I'm watching somebody, and he just keeps showing up, showing up,
Speaker 5: showing up. Then you watch the playoff games, he's showing up,
Speaker 5: showing up, showing up. So you know, to me, I think, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think me personally, I think he have to take
Speaker 5: him at forty four. If you want this player, you
Speaker 5: have to I don't think he gets to in the
Speaker 5: third round. I mean, and there's some good safeties on
Speaker 5: the on the board, but you look at all the
Speaker 5: things that he can do and we all know that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you talk about if you're if you're talking about playing
Speaker 5: Mitt Nickel. You're telling me right there, you think he
Speaker 5: can cover. You think that he's one of the best
Speaker 5: guys when it comes to carrying routes all over the field.
Speaker 5: You know that if you think that, you got to
Speaker 5: take this guy at forty four. If that's the case.
Speaker 3: And I think he's great in coverage too. When you
Speaker 3: look at his ability and his strong suits, coverage, change
Speaker 3: of direction, football IQ, all of that stuff jumps off
Speaker 3: the page. It's really the size and it's the tackling
Speaker 3: that I kind of had a little bit of a
Speaker 3: question mark over. I think the tackling was mostly just
Speaker 3: misstackles at times when he's trying to be over aggressive pff.
Speaker 3: Adam logged his thirteen miss tackles this past year, which
Speaker 3: that's a significant number. But you're trying to play downhill
Speaker 3: and you're trying to do too much. I think moving
Speaker 3: him to Nickel will be fine. I think it would
Speaker 3: be fine. I think he'd be fine as a safety
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 7: He's not the longest in the world.
Speaker 6: I mean, his wingspan is more so in the negative
Speaker 6: negative category. He is an undersized safety quote unquote. It
Speaker 6: would make sense. I would like to see. I would
Speaker 6: like to see the idea of him getting brought up
Speaker 6: to a Nickel position.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think for tackling concerns. Go watch the Michigan tape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I saw him against Georgia Arkansas where he
Speaker 3: really he struggled against Arkansas.
Speaker 11: He does miss but it's because in terms of tackling,
Speaker 11: flying at you because he wants to take your head off.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And if that's what we got, I'm okay, you're
Speaker 10: fine with that. I'm good with that.
Speaker 4: You kind of have that, and Donovan Wilson already do
Speaker 4: you do.
Speaker 5: But if we're talking about playing with you that Donovan
Speaker 5: Wilson covers, we're.
Speaker 10: Talking about it.
Speaker 11: If we're talking about Nickel, then then that's fine.
Speaker 4: What's wrong with Jacksonville.
Speaker 8: Ain't wrong with Jacksonville, just not here or not Hell.
Speaker 8: He can go to the in and that was where
Speaker 8: if you want to go. But I think Ivanrew mccoob
Speaker 8: is on his team. I don't know if I share
Speaker 8: the idea with the Table that he's a possible Nickel guy.
Speaker 8: I don't know if I would like him at full time.
Speaker 8: And I think he'll be a cool sometimes nickel. I
Speaker 8: like when he's just kind of floating around just looking
Speaker 8: looking for nonsense, and the ball just kind of flows
Speaker 8: to him. I think that's kind of where he's at
Speaker 8: his best.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: Sure, if you want to put him in there to
Speaker 8: kind of you know, because he's not the biggest guy
Speaker 8: in the world, you want to put him in nickel
Speaker 8: to kind of help him out a little bit.
Speaker 9: I mean, that's cool. But just when he was floating and.
Speaker 8: Roaming and just doing all types of different things, that's
Speaker 8: why I like him the best.
Speaker 9: He get picks down and he gets picks back.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. He's a pick getting guy.
Speaker 8: So I wouldn't want to just leave him there. To
Speaker 8: my DONOVD Wilson point, uh we look, man shouts that
Speaker 8: Donald Wilson man. You know he's he's he's got fans.
Speaker 8: I'm a fan of him also. But if there was
Speaker 8: a glaring wart in his game, it'll be coveraged. So
Speaker 8: I would have to wonder, we got a new DC
Speaker 8: up in here, brand new staff up here. I want
Speaker 8: if they looked at that and said, hey, and if
Speaker 8: Andrew mccoob is here, if you had to pick between
Speaker 8: who's the better safety guy, I think they would probably
Speaker 8: pick mccooby, but we got dudes on his team that
Speaker 8: I think better.
Speaker 10: I would real quick.
Speaker 11: I would argue that playing mccooba at nickel would give
Speaker 11: him a chance to cover more of the field I
Speaker 11: think than if you put him in safety, sure could
Speaker 11: and that that that would be in terms of taking
Speaker 11: the ball away and flying all over the place. I
Speaker 11: think that would be a better spot for him, kind
Speaker 11: of like how he's sort of lined up there sure
Speaker 11: in that clip.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're no, no problem, if you're going to
Speaker 5: draft a Nickel, just draft Harriston. Yeah, yeah, that's what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. I mean, if you're if you're if you're
Speaker 5: going into this with the plan of spending a pick
Speaker 5: on a Nickel in forty four, and I understand what
Speaker 5: you're saying about the safe you and I agree. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think this kid's a hell of a player. I think,
Speaker 5: you know. I was asked on Twitter this morning, like
Speaker 5: the value of the most undervalued player, and I was
Speaker 5: thinking about him, and I was thinking about my my
Speaker 5: l s U tight end Mason Taylor. Taylor, let's think
Speaker 5: about those two guys. I mean, you don't nearly hear
Speaker 5: enough about both those guys, and Macooba might be the
Speaker 5: most undervalue if you had to, if you had a
Speaker 5: Nick Mcooba, say Amos or Henderson ole.
Speaker 7: Miss at forty four? Yeah, I go Henderson.
Speaker 5: Is it just because of the absolute need a running back? Uh?
Speaker 7: No, Henderson's my RB two.
Speaker 6: I think the guy that can play all three downs,
Speaker 6: he's going to be a captain for you, He's going
Speaker 6: to play a long time.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 6: And he's still relatively low on mileage. I'm I'm a
Speaker 6: big Henderson guy.
Speaker 3: You guys, I would put what did you do at twelve? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a good question.
Speaker 5: You took well, I took the wider receiver out of it.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, So I gave you, I gave.
Speaker 5: You, I gave you Macouba, I gave you Amos the
Speaker 5: corner from ole Miss, and I gave you the running
Speaker 5: back from Ohio State.
Speaker 10: To take Henderson too.
Speaker 8: I'm taking the safety in that situation. I think I
Speaker 8: think safety is rare, and I think safeties that get
Speaker 8: picks can be rare. And I think he has a
Speaker 8: really good feel to get picks. I think when you
Speaker 8: find a dude that can get now, there's a ton
Speaker 8: of running backs here, and Nick Harris put it on
Speaker 8: my mind a long time ago, like, hey man, some
Speaker 8: running backs in the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth year
Speaker 8: al like, And when he said that, we just started
Speaker 8: watching film and I'm with him. There's a ton of
Speaker 8: running backs here. But I think when you have a safety,
Speaker 8: that can really change what defense looks like like that,
Speaker 8: I'm going with a safety plus.
Speaker 9: Just on my board, I just got in the highest.
Speaker 3: I have Amos as the highest out of those three,
Speaker 3: but it's not by much.
Speaker 4: They're all in the same area.
Speaker 9: Little moto.
Speaker 5: Okay, the question now I want to ask you guys
Speaker 5: then about that running back. Do you think Dallas with No.
Speaker 5: Four right now is they can't go day three to
Speaker 5: get a running back. I agree they have to have
Speaker 5: a running back in the first three rounds. Now you
Speaker 5: say that.
Speaker 9: They saying that last year. No they no, no.
Speaker 10: No, no, no.
Speaker 5: We learned our life. Yeah, we learned our lesson here.
Speaker 5: We have no other comparison. We can't use Rico dowdell as.
Speaker 5: Oh he's not as good as Rico Daddele. You know
Speaker 5: that's the thing.
Speaker 13: To me.
Speaker 5: I think Dallas is kind of painting themselves in a
Speaker 5: corner here, So for running back, and I think they
Speaker 5: have to do it by the time the third round hits.
Speaker 3: You don't think they would try to do that with
Speaker 3: a guy like Williams or Sanders, the guys that are
Speaker 3: in the building. If they can do that for Rico Dawdle,
Speaker 3: they could definitely say that.
Speaker 5: For if they do that, then then if they do that,
Speaker 5: then man, I don't. I can't. The only thing you've
Speaker 5: improved the running game here. The only thing you in
Speaker 5: my opinion, is the coaches. That's the thing that's helped
Speaker 5: you in the running game. You don't have a running
Speaker 5: back here, in my opinion, you don't.
Speaker 8: Would they be willing to take the running back earlier
Speaker 8: than they want to take the running back prior to
Speaker 8: the run happening?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 8: And I can just cross references with the Hampton News
Speaker 8: going on right now. What if we say your guy
Speaker 8: running back at forty four, but Hanton goes first round,
Speaker 8: Henderson goes first round, Johnson goes first round. So now
Speaker 8: we're like, all right, second round, do we want to
Speaker 8: take Harvey here? Do we reach for running back or
Speaker 8: do we go something else and wait for running back
Speaker 8: in round three? Are the Cowboys gonna have to.
Speaker 5: Be the only reason I wouldn't consider running back at
Speaker 5: forty four is that they're all gone. Sure, that's the
Speaker 5: only But to me, if one of those guys, if
Speaker 5: his guy Henderson's there, Johnson Hampton won though, then what
Speaker 5: do they do? See that's the problem that that's where
Speaker 5: you go Mancuba or somebody like that. Yeah, but see
Speaker 5: to me, Yeah, to me, I just like I said,
Speaker 5: I think they've painted themselves in a corner in my
Speaker 5: opinion that by the third round, because you and I
Speaker 5: have had this discussion before about guys that can carry
Speaker 5: the load, could be the featured guy. Can you get
Speaker 5: that guy in the fifth round? Do you see or
Speaker 5: you see guys? See, I don't think they've set them
Speaker 5: up to have a back that could split time. If
Speaker 5: you still had Rico Dawdle here here and took a
Speaker 5: fifth round guy, I kind of feel like you got okay,
Speaker 5: You're okay there.
Speaker 6: The thing about the running back position that I think
Speaker 6: is fascinating when it comes to this team is you
Speaker 6: have you have your third down guy, you have your
Speaker 6: receiving you have your past protecting guy.
Speaker 7: And Javonte Williams. Yeah, I think that's comfortable.
Speaker 6: You just need to get your early down guy, get
Speaker 6: your guy that can open up the game for five
Speaker 6: six yards of carry on those you know, opening carries
Speaker 6: of drives and sustained drives and get drives going. There
Speaker 6: were so many times last year where I think I
Speaker 6: brought it up on the show. Beginning of the game,
Speaker 6: hand off, Rigo, daddle two yards and it just you
Speaker 6: stall the drive before it even gets started. Sure, I
Speaker 6: still feel like there are some complimentary guys that you
Speaker 6: could throw in in the later rounds. I'm not saying
Speaker 6: that's my preference. I'm just saying, don't be surprised if
Speaker 6: we get to day three and a running back hasn't
Speaker 6: been picked yet, because I think there could be some
Speaker 6: guys that are there on day three. You look at
Speaker 6: all the Us Brooks or a Kyle Mnung guy or
Speaker 6: a Jarquez Hunter. I mean, these are guys that I
Speaker 6: think could be early down type guys that would that
Speaker 6: would make sense team.
Speaker 5: I would agree with you if you had a fourth
Speaker 5: round pick, yeah, if they, if they somehow somehow hook
Speaker 5: or crook of four from somebody, yeah, or another three,
Speaker 5: I'm with you on that. But if they if they
Speaker 5: if they sit there and wait from the third to
Speaker 5: all the way the fifth, watch these running backs come
Speaker 5: off that board. We saw it last year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we saw.
Speaker 5: The same thing last year. People are gonna see value
Speaker 5: and it's a good group of running backs, don't get
Speaker 5: me wrong. I just think that they've kind of painted
Speaker 5: themselves in a corner that if they with the players.
Speaker 5: And I like what you're saying about Williams. I mean,
Speaker 5: you're right about the catching and the blocking and stuff
Speaker 5: like that, but I just want a guy that maybe
Speaker 5: I want a guy that could do all and Henderson
Speaker 5: is that guy. You give me the opportunity to draft Hereerson,
Speaker 5: then I ain't worried about Williams and Sanders and those
Speaker 5: other guys so much.
Speaker 3: While we're kind of on the topic of conversation, and
Speaker 3: not to derail the running back convo, but we were
Speaker 3: talking safety. We're talking secondary and thirty round visits. Chavon
Speaker 3: Revel Junior East Carolina. I know there's some injury history there,
Speaker 3: but give me a little bit of a scouting report
Speaker 3: on Revel and because I don't believe we've really dove
Speaker 3: into what he could bring the corner in the draft.
Speaker 3: Corner position. A lot of people believe.
Speaker 5: That well, depending on where you if you have Hunter,
Speaker 5: you know, there's people to have Hunters travel Warner, and
Speaker 5: there's people that have him as a wide receiver.
Speaker 6: But Ahead and Nick, Yeah, I think the one thing
Speaker 6: that's fascinating about Revel is he only has one year
Speaker 6: of starting experience and he's going to be coming off
Speaker 6: of this torn ACL as well, so there's going to
Speaker 6: have to be a little bit of an adjustment period.
Speaker 6: I coming up from the American Conference into the NFL,
Speaker 6: and if you were to be drafted to this team,
Speaker 6: he would need to be stepping into a role immediately
Speaker 6: to start potentially at week one. That's that I think
Speaker 6: would give me a little bit of concern. But you
Speaker 6: talk about being physically gifted, He's probably the most physically
Speaker 6: gifted defensive back in this class, and I think that's
Speaker 6: going to give him some versatility at the next level too,
Speaker 6: whether that be in a man scheme, zone scheme. Being
Speaker 6: able to play inside. I think he has that ability
Speaker 6: to But I would place this guy on the outside.
Speaker 6: He's explosive, he's physical, he can tackle, he plays to
Speaker 6: his size, he's got ball skills, he can return pick sixes.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you had a guy like him and
Speaker 6: a fully healthy Trayvon Diggs and a fully healthy On Bland,
Speaker 6: this would be a turnover machine of a secondary. But
Speaker 6: the thing that would worry me about Revel for this
Speaker 6: team is what does that look like from week one
Speaker 6: to week eight of his rookie season. And granted, you're
Speaker 6: not drafting a player for the first eight weeks of
Speaker 6: his career. You're drafting him for the first four years,
Speaker 6: and what that looks like, but man, you do need
Speaker 6: help at corner in the first eight weeks that can
Speaker 6: provide immediate help. I'm not sure if you can bank
Speaker 6: on Revel being ready to go to do that. But
Speaker 6: his ACL surgery was done by doctor Dan Cooper. He's
Speaker 6: the team physician here for the Cowboys. The Cowboys have
Speaker 6: just as much info on this guy and his injury
Speaker 6: than anybody else. He tours ACL in October, it's gonna
Speaker 6: be close for him to get fully cleared before training camp.
Speaker 6: That's what doctor Cooper did send out in a memo
Speaker 6: in February to teams, is that he will be ready
Speaker 6: to go. But they also said that about Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 6: last year, and he was not ready to go. He
Speaker 6: didn't make it until halfway through the season, so I
Speaker 6: think there would be a little bit of holding your
Speaker 6: breath with this guy. But if he comes back fully
Speaker 6: healthy and he's ready to go by training camp, I
Speaker 6: think this would be an awesome pick. I have him
Speaker 6: at the top of the third because of the injury
Speaker 6: and because I don't know what that's going to look
Speaker 6: like one hundred percent, especially the corner spot. Tearing your
Speaker 6: ACLS A corner is so tough, and you rarely see
Speaker 6: guys come back and be one hundred percent off of that.
Speaker 6: That's that's the only reason why if I didn't if
Speaker 6: he didn't have this knee injury, i'd probably have a
Speaker 6: first round grade on him.
Speaker 3: And you're making the jump, like you said, from the
Speaker 3: American to the NFL. It's not like you're already at
Speaker 3: the NFL with already established.
Speaker 7: With only one year of starting experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so's there's a lot of question mark there. Where
Speaker 4: do you see him?
Speaker 8: This would be fantastic if the Cowboys can find a
Speaker 8: way to work a little bit of voodoo magic and
Speaker 8: just get him in the second round somewhere four. I
Speaker 8: just want everybody to panic about that knee and just
Speaker 8: let him fall and if you can get him at
Speaker 8: forty four, then cool. And he got all the things
Speaker 8: that cowboys love in the corners. He tall, long, can run, tackling,
Speaker 8: all this kind of stuff. And you know there's this
Speaker 8: one thing going around all the competition that he played against.
Speaker 9: That's cool. Man.
Speaker 8: Watch Michigan, Watch Michigan, and he looked just as good
Speaker 8: as Michigan as he did first as State twice.
Speaker 3: Well in the UTSA tape, there were two guys drafted
Speaker 3: out of that UTSA team in twenty three.
Speaker 4: I mean there's guys there that he's played against.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he could play. He's a cornerback three for me
Speaker 9: behind Hunter and Baron Tommy.
Speaker 10: I think these two guys nailed it.
Speaker 11: You know, especially with the fact that Dallas and specifically
Speaker 11: Matt Eberflus, you look at the corners that he's had
Speaker 11: in the past. You think about Jalen Johnson, Tyreek Stevenson
Speaker 11: in Chicago. He likes those bigger, longer armed corners who
Speaker 11: can take the ball away. And Dallas when it's been
Speaker 11: at his best. When you saw when dan Quinn was
Speaker 11: here with Deron Bland and Trayvon Diggs fully healthy, they
Speaker 11: take the ball away and Savon Revel can can do
Speaker 11: that for you when he's fully healthy. I think that
Speaker 11: I share the concern with Nick of okay, can you
Speaker 11: come back and be what you were after an ACL tear,
Speaker 11: especially when you are going to be borderline able to
Speaker 11: participate in training camp according to doctor Cooper, and you're
Speaker 11: going to be expected to be thrust kind of into
Speaker 11: the fire here with this cornerback room. Because then the
Speaker 11: question Dallas has to ask themselves is, Okay, if you
Speaker 11: want to give Revel a runway, does that mean that
Speaker 11: you trust Kyrie Elam enough to start week one for
Speaker 11: you opposite of Deron Bland. And if you do, then
Speaker 11: there's your answer. But that's that's the big question that
Speaker 11: looms there. And I don't know if I would. I
Speaker 11: think I would.
Speaker 10: I would want to start Revel over him, But do
Speaker 10: you have the option? That's the question.
Speaker 11: I like the player a lot, and I think that
Speaker 11: if he's able to come back fully healthy and the
Speaker 11: medicals check out, which, like Nick mentioned, the Cowboys are
Speaker 11: going to have a better inside track on that than
Speaker 11: anybody else, then I wouldn't mind the pick at forty
Speaker 11: four at all.
Speaker 5: Brian, you said he's the best corner. I think he
Speaker 5: is if you don't include Hunter over there. But I
Speaker 5: have Hunter at wide receiver, so I think this guy
Speaker 5: and I understand what Nick's talking about there, and you know,
Speaker 5: but my corner, my my first round corners, they've all
Speaker 5: got questions, but every one of them are damn good
Speaker 5: football players. Revelle, Baron Morrison, they're all really really good players.
Speaker 5: And you know, and I know they're talking about with
Speaker 5: you know, we've we've heard, we've kind of gone back
Speaker 5: and forth about the whole Will Johnson thing of you know,
Speaker 5: with from Michigan and stuff like that, and you know,
Speaker 5: if it all checks out, we'll see. But you know,
Speaker 5: and that's that's my only problem really with with Johnson
Speaker 5: is that I've got three corners of him. But those
Speaker 5: corners all have some questions about him. But I know
Speaker 5: one thing. All three of those guys, when you watch
Speaker 5: their tape, they make plays and that's something that a
Speaker 5: lot of cornerbacks in this league don't do. But those kids,
Speaker 5: I think you could plug those kids in and they'll
Speaker 5: go make place for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of question marks around those thirty visit
Speaker 3: guys will continue to give you some scatting reports as
Speaker 3: those names trickle in over the next.
Speaker 4: Couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: Tom wants to know who do you think is the
Speaker 3: most underrated player in this twenty twenty five NFL Draft class.
Speaker 7: Don't come to me first, right at you.
Speaker 8: R J Harvey back UCF Man. The reason I put
Speaker 8: him here. I've been talking about him for a while. Man,
Speaker 8: he's a He is a running back that's in this
Speaker 8: group of backs. Just for me on my board, we
Speaker 8: always talk about jent T Hampton, you know, Johnson Henderson.
Speaker 8: I think you could take him in round two and
Speaker 8: get you a bell cow type guy, big play, runs, hard,
Speaker 8: catches the ball. Well, y'all work in that block and man,
Speaker 8: but that's a common thing about a lot of these
Speaker 8: running backs in this in this damn class.
Speaker 9: But balanced vision.
Speaker 12: R J.
Speaker 8: Harvey is the last guy in round two running back
Speaker 8: wise that I would look at and say, I would
Speaker 8: give that, you know, give him the ball twenty two
Speaker 8: times and feel decent about it. But the reason why
Speaker 8: I feel like he's the underrated guy because I don't
Speaker 8: think people talk about Harvey like that.
Speaker 9: I don't. I don't think they talk about him in
Speaker 9: a Round two type fashion.
Speaker 5: I think rape breaks, tackles and stuff like that that
Speaker 5: he gets credit for that he.
Speaker 9: Woops as Brown brought us in.
Speaker 8: And honestly, I think people got third round grades on
Speaker 8: him just by nature of what running back is and
Speaker 8: what this running back class is.
Speaker 9: But if you take RJ.
Speaker 8: Harvey in about five years, you're gonna look at him like, man,
Speaker 8: why won't we talking about Jr?
Speaker 6: The thing about him in five years? He's gonna be
Speaker 6: thirty years old in five years, And that's I think
Speaker 6: that's the one concern because but I'm with you, I'm
Speaker 6: with you.
Speaker 7: I'm a big R. J. Harvey guy.
Speaker 6: I think that's just probably where the concern stems from,
Speaker 6: is that he's already had an acl taar and that
Speaker 6: he's going to be twenty close to twenty five when
Speaker 6: his rookie season starts.
Speaker 8: Then let's not give him that second country. Some of
Speaker 8: these teams shod to do that.
Speaker 4: Part well, and that's why people would have him in
Speaker 4: the third.
Speaker 9: If that's the case, right, then that means they're going.
Speaker 3: To take a first or a second round player. I
Speaker 3: know he's a damn good player.
Speaker 9: That's not so.
Speaker 8: Mike Mayock would say, teams suck at drafting. And if
Speaker 8: he's a dude, and if he's on the board, he
Speaker 8: may be twenty five.
Speaker 9: I get it.
Speaker 8: But uh, you know, running backs, we typically don't want
Speaker 8: to hold on to them very long anyways.
Speaker 4: You know, get a playmaker and run with it, take.
Speaker 8: Him and just celebration, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 8: the Cowboys taking Hampton at twelve, So there's no need
Speaker 8: to worry about this.
Speaker 10: That's fair. I didn't know we had mel on the
Speaker 10: show What's Up Time?
Speaker 5: That should bother you, by the way talk about it. No, No,
Speaker 5: it should bother you in the fact that mel Kiper's
Speaker 5: usually right about this thing. If you're a kids taking
Speaker 5: a running back at twelve other than genty, you should
Speaker 5: worry about milk Kuiper because he has not wavered from this.
Speaker 5: In his last I played three mock drafts.
Speaker 4: And he hasn't.
Speaker 3: He's not alone now he was alone initially, Now he's
Speaker 3: not alone. There's a couple other guys on that yeah
Speaker 3: train too. Who's your most underrated?
Speaker 11: Tommy Olu off of me Ola Dejo, UCLA linebacker, edge hybrid.
Speaker 11: This was a guy that Nick Kyle and I had
Speaker 11: the chance to talk to at the Senior Bowl, and
Speaker 11: he's really only scratching the surface I think of what
Speaker 11: he can do. We kind of started off playing linebacker
Speaker 11: and UCLA moved him to the edge and he had
Speaker 11: a pretty solid season. You can look at me and say,
Speaker 11: Tom who only had four and a half secks, That's fine.
Speaker 11: He's built like a demi god and he's going to
Speaker 11: only grow from here when he gets to the NFL
Speaker 11: and gets more polished. You gotta love what he's able
Speaker 11: to do one on one. He looked great at the
Speaker 11: Senior Bowl and one on one reps just so twitchy.
Speaker 11: You look at that move that he just made there
Speaker 11: on the screen, and there's a lot to like with
Speaker 11: with what he can do. He had fourteen tackles for
Speaker 11: loss last year, fifty seven total tackles. This is a
Speaker 11: versatile guy that you can play in a lot of
Speaker 11: different spots in your defense, and you've got so much
Speaker 11: room to grow.
Speaker 10: With him that I think you can.
Speaker 11: You can really take a chance on this guy early,
Speaker 11: develop him, and he can be a staple of somebody's
Speaker 11: defense going forward.
Speaker 8: Time, let me ask you a question, sir, And I'm
Speaker 8: only saying this to you because you just picked him.
Speaker 8: I'm not making you a part of this fight. I
Speaker 8: just want to know what you think fight.
Speaker 9: What's differ?
Speaker 8: No, know, I'm not fighting time, I'm fighting the world.
Speaker 8: What's the difference between him and Mike kil wiives? Because
Speaker 8: it sounded like you just described MIKEL Williams fantastic rundown
Speaker 8: dude got some room to grow, good sized athlete, boy
Speaker 8: all this x y Z boy probably got a little
Speaker 8: room to develop as a pass rush. But boy, once
Speaker 8: he learned ble, he gonna be ready to go. What's
Speaker 8: the difference?
Speaker 9: Time?
Speaker 11: I think Oladejo has only just started playing it because
Speaker 11: they only just moved him to edge, whereas Williams has
Speaker 11: been there. If I'm not mistaking his whole career, I
Speaker 11: think Williams has the d as a run defender right now,
Speaker 11: and I think the his build is better suited for it,
Speaker 11: but I think that Oladjo just has so much more
Speaker 11: room to grow that spot where they tried him at linebackers.
Speaker 10: So much and it just didn't work.
Speaker 11: So Williams, I think he's got the running run defense
Speaker 11: part of it down, and I think his next step
Speaker 11: is getting after the quarterback, which I think he's further
Speaker 11: along in the process. And so you look and look
Speaker 11: at Oladjo and say, Okay, maybe we need some more
Speaker 11: time to get this guy up to speed. But I
Speaker 11: think that that overall, I think he's he's Olda Dejo's twitchier,
Speaker 11: and I think that's gonna benefit him long term.
Speaker 4: Michael Williams is a little bit I think I think
Speaker 4: I touched on.
Speaker 9: Sorry, Tom, this ain't me fighting you. That's fighting the world.
Speaker 5: You can we can.
Speaker 8: I think I'm not fighting you this Amy fight. I
Speaker 8: think olda Dejo is a much better run guy right now.
Speaker 8: I think he has a much better feel for Mikel's
Speaker 8: bigger but he has a much better feel for rundown stuff.
Speaker 8: And then, like Michael is probably gonna do begap things
Speaker 8: sometimes in old Dejo won't. I think Old Dajoe's a
Speaker 8: much better pass rusher right now. I think he projects
Speaker 8: to be a much better pass rusher right now. That's
Speaker 8: why I got Mike kill on the third That's why
Speaker 8: I got old the days were ranked over him.
Speaker 9: I'm not fighting you, but I've.
Speaker 8: Been fighting people on the internet for the past couple
Speaker 8: of weeks, and your breakdown was perfect.
Speaker 9: It was perfect. It was exactly how I would break.
Speaker 5: The compliment sandwich get raised.
Speaker 7: I'm about to get this.
Speaker 9: I'm not fighting time.
Speaker 8: But I was like, man, that show sounded like Michael
Speaker 8: Williams is damn third round here that we described that
Speaker 8: show sound like Michael. I just wanted to just hear
Speaker 8: you describe the time.
Speaker 10: That's fine, that's fine. Part of the show is having
Speaker 10: disagreements and talking about all that's fine.
Speaker 9: I agree with you, But I day show is a dude.
Speaker 5: I could say he's actually thanking you for presenting the
Speaker 5: way you did well.
Speaker 10: I think you.
Speaker 11: Could say, if we're having the argument of Okay, they've
Speaker 11: gotten you a couple of times with that in the
Speaker 11: last right, the last one was much funnier. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 11: I think you could say, okay, they're they're kind of
Speaker 11: in the same in the same situation of there you're
Speaker 11: you're kind of banking on.
Speaker 10: Okay, what is the ceiling?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 10: We've had the conversation in the past of floor guys
Speaker 10: and ceiling guys.
Speaker 11: I think Williams's floor is a lot higher than Oladajo's
Speaker 11: right now, because of what he gives you with his
Speaker 11: size and what he's able to produce thus far. I
Speaker 11: think Oladjo is not as far along as a pass
Speaker 11: rusher than what Williams is. That's not to say that
Speaker 11: Williams's borderline and elite pass rusher. I just think he's
Speaker 11: further along since Oladja is still kind of grasping the
Speaker 11: edge position. And I think that ola Dajo is still
Speaker 11: behind a little bit too in the run support. But
Speaker 11: I think that his experience as a linebacker is what
Speaker 11: can give him more room to grow in that department
Speaker 11: against Williams.
Speaker 10: I hope that all makes sense.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: I'm angry because I think Michael will run down the
Speaker 8: middle of people and I think Bindi is hell.
Speaker 9: But it's all good.
Speaker 4: It is a little bit different.
Speaker 3: You're you're saying that the ceiling is similar for both,
Speaker 3: but the floor is much higher for will.
Speaker 11: No, no, no, no, no, I think I think I think
Speaker 11: Michael Williams' ceiling is higher. Okay, that's not to say
Speaker 11: Oladejo's ceiling isn't high, But I think Williams' size and
Speaker 11: what he's already established and where he is in his
Speaker 11: progression is further along, and I think that he is
Speaker 11: the higher ceiling.
Speaker 6: Okay, y'all are gonna hate me, but I couldn't just
Speaker 6: pick one guy.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna start with.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna start with KAYLEB Rodgers, offensive lineman out of
Speaker 6: Texas Tech. This is a guy that I think is versatile.
Speaker 6: I think he could play four of the five offensive
Speaker 6: line spots.
Speaker 7: He's a unit.
Speaker 6: He's played forty two hundred career snaps at Texas Tech.
Speaker 6: He's got a violent punch.
Speaker 7: I like his feet.
Speaker 6: I think he could clean up his feet work, but
Speaker 6: I like where his feet are coming from. Sometimes he
Speaker 6: can like over commit on athletic edge rushers and give
Speaker 6: them a little bit too much breathing room. But I
Speaker 6: still think this is a guy that is going to
Speaker 6: be a offensive lineman in this league for a long time.
Speaker 7: Senior Bowl guy.
Speaker 6: I know a lot of people up at Texas Tech
Speaker 6: and they just rave about this guy's character as well.
Speaker 6: You see him playing left guard in this In this cutup,
Speaker 6: you see him playing right tackle, left tackle, right guard.
Speaker 6: I mean he's a guy that can come in and
Speaker 6: play pretty much any spot. This is a Day two
Speaker 6: type talent for me. Really impressive guy. And the second
Speaker 6: guy I have to give. Did y'all know usin Neckler's
Speaker 6: in this running back class?
Speaker 5: What tell me you're about to say Trevor at.
Speaker 6: No, No, no, no, it's a land Larison out of UC Davis.
Speaker 6: This guy at twenty four hundred yards last year in
Speaker 6: twenty four combined between rushing and receiving, it's a lot
Speaker 6: of yards. This is a guy that could be a
Speaker 6: three down back. Early down physicality, he can get into
Speaker 6: the second level, and he's got a crazy receiving ability
Speaker 6: you talk about, this is the guy you can line
Speaker 6: up in the slot at times in the game too.
Speaker 6: He had sixty two receptions in twenty twenty four. He
Speaker 6: could be deployed out wide. I would like to see
Speaker 6: a little bit more wiggle in twitch, but what he
Speaker 6: brings in the pass catching department, the route tree that
Speaker 6: he has coming out of the backfield. This is a
Speaker 6: major sleeper in this class. I think at the running
Speaker 6: back position. This is the guy that is not being
Speaker 6: talked about enough. Six foot two fifteen can run a
Speaker 6: four to four five. He's gonna have a jump in
Speaker 6: competition from the Big West. But so did Austin Ecklers.
Speaker 6: And that's the spirit of the conversation.
Speaker 10: What's his name?
Speaker 6: He's got great pass protection? Lan Larison la n first name,
Speaker 6: last name, la r I s O N. I have
Speaker 6: a fourth round grade on this guy.
Speaker 8: Okay, five hundred people, because me and me and Brown
Speaker 8: are like like two ten and you keep bringing the
Speaker 8: people I've never even heard.
Speaker 7: Go watch this guy and come back to me or
Speaker 7: throw us in the group.
Speaker 9: Chat.
Speaker 7: If y'all don't want to bring him.
Speaker 5: Up, can you tell me who the players you have
Speaker 5: around him in the fourth round?
Speaker 7: I have him, I have him with the running backs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have him above Jarquest Hunter ToJ Brooks. I
Speaker 6: have him right behind Ollie Gordon. I have him above
Speaker 6: Jaden Blue, I have him above Trevor at In. I
Speaker 6: have him above Brichard Smith, Leaquent Allen uh Uc Davis Davis.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's big West is the Big West is bad.
Speaker 9: He is bad football.
Speaker 6: Under the RAI good team, They're a really good team,
Speaker 6: their top ten, top fifteen in the country last year,
Speaker 6: and he had a fifteen hundred rushing yards and eight hundred.
Speaker 5: Receivers, which is measurables.
Speaker 6: Six foot two fifteen run a four to four to
Speaker 6: five as combine. This is one of the most athletic
Speaker 6: guys in this class. In my opinion, this is gonna
Speaker 6: be a guy we're gonna still be talking about two
Speaker 6: three years from now.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 8: See Nick watches seventh round players first and then he works.
Speaker 7: Honestly, I just got to be as it was.
Speaker 5: Did you that's because of his combine stuff.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I actually watched this guy back in February. I brought
Speaker 6: him up early on one of the early shows. The
Speaker 6: the reason I watched this guy is because, like sometimes
Speaker 6: I get bored watching film and I'm like, let me
Speaker 6: go find a guy that has like crazy stats and
Speaker 6: see if there's like any NFL traits to back it.
Speaker 6: And I saw him and I was like, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: he's got NFL traits to back it. And then he
Speaker 6: went to the combine and he had an awesome day,
Speaker 6: awesome week with the combine. I love this guy. Guy
Speaker 6: that's gonna be It's gonna be a sleeper on day three.
Speaker 4: I've got five hundred and fourteen prospects in this magazine
Speaker 4: and he didn't even he wasn't even on one.
Speaker 3: That's what fift I've got. I've got to get a
Speaker 3: five to fifteen. We're gonna send out a revised, edited edition.
Speaker 3: We're going to get him in there. That's under the radar.
Speaker 7: Good call, Yeah, it's very under the All right, what
Speaker 7: you got, Brian?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I answered the question with Mason Taylor at tight end.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's getting enough recognition. But I think
Speaker 5: I mentioned the name Trevor atn from Georgia, and I
Speaker 5: mentioned this is because of his He's not the biggest
Speaker 5: guy at five to nine and one ninety eight, but
Speaker 5: he's super loose in the vision and the sharp cuts,
Speaker 5: the instant acceleration. You know, he does a really nice
Speaker 5: job of catching the football well. He's got very natural hands.
Speaker 5: He plays well with the ball in his hands. I
Speaker 5: think that he could take like good gains and make
Speaker 5: him into great gains with the way he runs the football.
Speaker 5: But he makes good decisions. He's physical, physical. He hasn't
Speaker 5: had a bunch of carries during his career. But he's
Speaker 5: made up with what he's had, and I think he's
Speaker 5: good on the blitz pickup stuff. But like say, don't
Speaker 5: let the lack of high throw throw you off here.
Speaker 5: He really does do a good job in that are
Speaker 5: and I respect how he's able to make defenders miss
Speaker 5: and bounce around until he finds daylight and he can
Speaker 5: be a weapon out of the backfield. So Travis, it's
Speaker 5: gonna be Trevor atn from Georgia a transfer from Florida
Speaker 5: is one of my guys. I don't think it's getting
Speaker 5: enough credit.
Speaker 11: You want to see his vision, you want to see
Speaker 11: his best tape, go watch him play Texas both times
Speaker 11: he torched Texas, and Texas is one of the better
Speaker 11: run defenses in college football this past year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good play had great production throughout his time at Georgia.
Speaker 3: Two lots of lots of good to talk about there
Speaker 3: real quick.
Speaker 11: Just because I'm seeing some discussion in the comments and
Speaker 11: maybe I was confusing it. If I was, I apologize
Speaker 11: to the Williams Oladaijo debate. I think Williams has a
Speaker 11: higher floor and ceiling. Just to clarify, yeah, I don't
Speaker 11: know if I made that clear. No, he said, to
Speaker 11: make sure. Yeah, you're saying he's a better player. Yeah,
Speaker 11: pretty much. Uh yeah, I'll throw.
Speaker 4: A name in it.
Speaker 10: But I still think old is dang good.
Speaker 4: They don't like your you and the comments.
Speaker 10: Why you're saying it.
Speaker 3: Johnny Walker Junior edge out of Missouri did not give
Speaker 3: Oh wait, no, this is this is a prospect. I
Speaker 3: would have thought it was a twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 3: It's a prospect Johnny Walker Junior one because he's got
Speaker 3: a great name for the Cowboys, specifically to be a
Speaker 3: possible draft pick. But he was a Shrine Bowl guy
Speaker 3: who had a ton of production at the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 3: Had eight and a half sacks, including eight or nine
Speaker 3: and a half sacks in twenty twenty four with Missouri,
Speaker 3: including eight and a half over his final seven games.
Speaker 3: He finished with twelve and a half tackles for loss.
Speaker 3: Yet he did not get an invite to the scouting combine.
Speaker 3: He was left off the list.
Speaker 4: I liked his tape.
Speaker 3: I thought he was a vertical edge rusher or a
Speaker 3: versatile edge rusher that can stand up or put a
Speaker 3: hand in the ground.
Speaker 4: He can do a little bit of both. He's got
Speaker 4: good first step.
Speaker 3: Quickness, packs a punch upon first contact, upper body strength
Speaker 3: to get blockers off balance. Initially, only thing that I
Speaker 3: kind of knocked was he doesn't have a ton of
Speaker 3: pass rush moves to kind of go with kind of
Speaker 3: straightforward pass rusher. And then at the same time, he's
Speaker 3: a little bit smaller. He's a bit of a tweener.
Speaker 3: Two hundred and forty six pounds is what he ranked
Speaker 3: at the Shrine Bowl. So I think he's a good
Speaker 3: player off the edge. I think I would take him
Speaker 3: probably early day three, But some people don't even have
Speaker 3: them on the board because I don't know who do
Speaker 3: you have around on your poor let me get to
Speaker 3: my edge rushers.
Speaker 4: I have him around.
Speaker 3: Some of these other guys like Saveon Jones from LSU,
Speaker 3: Hugh Robinson from Alabama, Baron Surrell, Texas, Jordan Birch, Oregon,
Speaker 3: guys like that, or a kind of right right around
Speaker 3: the fourth round for you, then fifth round, fifth round.
Speaker 3: If he sneaks up into.
Speaker 4: The fourth it's because of the production, that's what it is.
Speaker 4: And he had a great Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 3: I thought he He ended up having two sacks multi
Speaker 3: sack performance against Alabama, and Iowa had two Sacks in
Speaker 3: the Shrine Bowl at AT and T Stadium. I was
Speaker 3: kind of I was intrigued why he didn't get an
Speaker 3: invite to Indy. I was wondering why that was the case.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if there was an off the field thing.
Speaker 4: I didn't find anything, So I.
Speaker 6: Think that may have benefited him because I worry about
Speaker 6: his link a little bit. That's why you see him
Speaker 6: on stand up rushes a lot on these cliffs. He's
Speaker 6: gonna have to go to a scheme that can really
Speaker 6: you know, hide realize the hide that deficiency from him.
Speaker 6: Trying to think about like a pass rush heavy scheme
Speaker 6: that since five rushers, I mean, he would have to
Speaker 6: be on the on the field with a five rush
Speaker 6: set in my opinion, but I still think he's still
Speaker 6: sand down. Yeah, that's that's where he would have to
Speaker 6: go to a scheme that can that can work, that
Speaker 6: can work that sense. I I would stand him up
Speaker 6: just because that's what he's got experience doing. But there's
Speaker 6: not a lot of teams of the NFL.
Speaker 17: That do that.
Speaker 4: Stu so just kind of wrong time kind of guy.
Speaker 6: Not necessarily. I think there's a role for this guy.
Speaker 6: He just has to land in the right system. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I do think there's a role for this guy. He's
Speaker 6: got land in the right system.
Speaker 7: If you have production, I think the system could be.
Speaker 4: Here in the SEC.
Speaker 3: I think you can have some success anywhere. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: way that he dominated at the end of the year
Speaker 3: in the SEC schedule. All right, let's try and fit
Speaker 3: in one more Twitter on the twenty question. We've only
Speaker 3: gotten the one so far. Hyeah too, what was the
Speaker 3: second one?
Speaker 17: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was all one question?
Speaker 3: You know, this one's kind of fun, Brian, I mentioned
Speaker 3: this before the break before we came back. Ac wants
Speaker 3: to know what a pin throw is. Let's define this
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 5: A pin throw is when you fake like you're mad
Speaker 5: when the guy got pecked, but you're really happy inside.
Speaker 5: So you have to show the room that you're like,
Speaker 5: oh damn, I can't believe we lost that guy, but
Speaker 5: inside you're kind of like excited that it happened, that
Speaker 5: he's gone, that he's gone.
Speaker 3: So you're saying a fake pinthrow because he said that.
Speaker 3: You and I have different definitions, and I that's my that's.
Speaker 5: My definition of pin throw. I'm damn see, I would
Speaker 5: call that, but in real life, I'm kind of happy
Speaker 5: because we didn't take the guy.
Speaker 3: See, I would call that like a fake pin throw,
Speaker 3: whereas a pin throws where you actually are up.
Speaker 4: My pen throw is.
Speaker 5: When I throw my pin, it's usually because they're happy
Speaker 5: the guy is gone.
Speaker 10: So there. What does that mean? You're fake? Pan throw?
Speaker 12: Is?
Speaker 5: Is it actually? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Whatevers?
Speaker 5: If I if I, if I drop like an F bomb,
Speaker 5: then then.
Speaker 4: You know that we lost a guy, and I like,
Speaker 4: you hit the table whatever.
Speaker 6: A pin throw is for Bryan's When Will Johnson and
Speaker 6: Michael Williams get drafted, yeah, but if.
Speaker 5: They go before they get picked before, then I'll just
Speaker 5: go I can't believe that happened.
Speaker 9: Pin throw darn.
Speaker 4: Okay, good enough now that we're.
Speaker 10: Clearly I'm gonna throw twelve pins if.
Speaker 3: If he goes to Dallas, yeah, you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: go buy a pack if and then throw it.
Speaker 8: If Michael gives a Dallas, I'm just gonna lean back
Speaker 8: in my chair and huff and puff and act like yeah,
Speaker 8: I'll tell you why. He'll fit perfectly up in here.
Speaker 8: But if he goes to Carolina or something, give me
Speaker 8: a pen that's crazy.
Speaker 9: That's crazy. I like Mikey though, man, he just you know,
Speaker 9: just Matt as well.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get in a heap of trouble if Mikel
Speaker 3: Williams ends up being the pick.
Speaker 6: If it's my draft weekend, Bill Johnson or James Pearce,
Speaker 6: we're gonna have a lot of discussing to do at
Speaker 6: this table, let me tell you.
Speaker 3: And this is the clip they're gonna take, and it's
Speaker 3: gonna be Nick talking about it, and then it's gonna
Speaker 3: cut to me kind of smiling half heartedly at the camera.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 3: When we come back here on the Draft Show, Uh,
Speaker 3: we've got some We talked about the thirty visit guys
Speaker 3: a little bit. I want to hit another name out
Speaker 3: of the thirty visits.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then I also want to hit perfect fit.
Speaker 3: That was a question mark around who could be a
Speaker 3: perfect fit for the Dallas Cowboys. But I don't want
Speaker 3: to do first round guys. I want to talk about
Speaker 3: guys later on in the draft who you feel like
Speaker 3: can be that fit for Dallas.
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Speaker 4: All Right talked about perfect fit. What are you gonna?
Speaker 4: Are you gonna try and continue twitter on the twenty here?
Speaker 9: No, Cale, I just got no what do you want?
Speaker 4: I just felt like a hand on my back and
Speaker 4: I'm like, here we go. You remember that thing I
Speaker 4: sent in the rundown.
Speaker 8: Me and Nick here saying something very important on the break,
Speaker 8: and I just wanted to make sure everybody heard it right.
Speaker 9: I don't hate, no hate is a strong word.
Speaker 8: I may only hate two or three players, right it
Speaker 8: just I may hate your drafted you know, like for example,
Speaker 8: Sean Opman I didn't think was very good at all.
Speaker 9: Man, I don't want to draft Sean open at all.
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: I would draft Mike kill Williams. We just disagree where
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. So I don't want about
Speaker 8: to go around say, oh, man, I hate my here wives.
Speaker 8: When we go out and do some good and preseason,
Speaker 8: get a little tackle something, I would love to have him,
Speaker 8: just not as high as the Cowboy as are draft
Speaker 8: of my bad cotgo, do.
Speaker 4: You have anything before you move on?
Speaker 9: They hate when I do that. Cow Man, I ain't
Speaker 9: coming back next year.
Speaker 4: I love the fact that he's in this back chair
Speaker 4: and he just put his hand on my back.
Speaker 10: I can hold on.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 9: We feel yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: Charles Davis and a couple of the NFL network analysts
Speaker 3: put out a Cowboys perfect fit. There were a couple
Speaker 3: different elements of this, but it's from NFL dot Com
Speaker 3: and his perfect fit for the Cowboys was later on
Speaker 3: in the draft, he brought up Kyle Mnungai, the running
Speaker 3: back out of Rutgers, kind of an interesting out of
Speaker 3: left field sort of player. We've talked about him on
Speaker 3: the show. I think we're all kind of fans of him.
Speaker 3: Where he would end up being selected probably early Day
Speaker 3: three or right around there. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: it kind of stokes the question of what other positions
Speaker 3: in this draft. Are there a perfect fit quote unquote
Speaker 3: with the Cowboys? And you can't do anything in the
Speaker 3: first round because people could say genty R, people could
Speaker 3: say Tedoroa McMillan or whatever it may be. Outside of
Speaker 3: the first round, where's your perfect fit for the Cowboys?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: At first, I do want to start just with a
Speaker 6: brief scouting report on Manga. I mean, this is one
Speaker 6: of the Tommy Kin attests. This is one of the
Speaker 6: running backs I enjoyed watching during the Sea more than
Speaker 6: any last year. I love Kyle Mannung guy. Oh, I
Speaker 6: do have a couple of concerns. Well, I'll start with
Speaker 6: the strings. He's a downhill guy. He can get out
Speaker 6: and have outside a zone running success too. He's got
Speaker 6: receiving ability. I think he's probably the second or third
Speaker 6: best pass protector in this class in my opinion. I
Speaker 6: got Trevon Henderson up there. I also have Dylan Samson
Speaker 6: up there as well, but he lacks speed to be
Speaker 6: like that explosive type weapon in the NFL, and that
Speaker 6: kind of proved itself at the combine. Zero fumbles in
Speaker 6: six hundred and sixty nine carries. There's a positive and
Speaker 6: there's a negative in that. The positive is that there
Speaker 6: zero fumbles. The negative is that there's six hundred and
Speaker 6: sixty nine carries. Yeah, he was a starter for three
Speaker 6: and a half years at Rutgers, but I mean, this
Speaker 6: guy's a dog and I don't know how long he'll
Speaker 6: last in the league. I don't know if he ends
Speaker 6: up finding a starting role in the league, but regardless,
Speaker 6: we're gonna have fun watching it. I understand where Charles
Speaker 6: Davis is coming from, because this is a guy who
Speaker 6: could be an early down type guy and kind of
Speaker 6: give you those hard earned yards because he falls forward,
Speaker 6: he's got contact balance, he's got these big thick thigh
Speaker 6: that fight forward for extra yardage. So I understand where
Speaker 6: Charles Davis is coming from. I personally, when I was
Speaker 6: looking at all of these backs and okay, who is
Speaker 6: the best, who is the best, compliment to Javonte Williams. Specifically,
Speaker 6: I had put down Caleb Johnson and I had put
Speaker 6: down by Shell Tutton out of Virginia Tech. Both of
Speaker 6: those guys I feel like can be those early down,
Speaker 6: home run speed type guys. I personally like Tutton a
Speaker 6: little bit more as a fit, just because he does
Speaker 6: have that athleticism and you need that home run hitter
Speaker 6: on this on this offense. But if we're going for
Speaker 6: another position, Maxwell Harrison I've claimed it so many times
Speaker 6: out of Kentucky at corner because I think he play nickel.
Speaker 7: I think he can play outside.
Speaker 6: He's got the speed to be able to kind of
Speaker 6: elevate the athleticism in that secondary room. I think he's
Speaker 6: He's a guy you bring in and he's gonna be
Speaker 6: a day one starter, and he can start for you
Speaker 6: in multiple spots. He can give you time for Trayvon
Speaker 6: Digs to get healthy. I really like Maxwell Harrison is
Speaker 6: probably the best fit in this class for this team.
Speaker 4: No, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: Can somebody tell me a little bit about Tutton. I
Speaker 3: don't think we've talked about him on the show.
Speaker 7: I don't mind.
Speaker 6: I just don't want to take anybody's well I don't
Speaker 6: mind watch y' y'all got it.
Speaker 7: Y'all got to go.
Speaker 8: Ahead, big speed, and you know, you know, watching Combine
Speaker 8: first and then watching him kind of made you go
Speaker 8: into it. But like, all right, you better be fast,
Speaker 8: and he is fast. He does kind of break away
Speaker 8: from those runs. But I was very impressed to see
Speaker 8: how heavy he ran, like the sense of gravity that
Speaker 8: he's not like a slashy type dude, just because he's fast,
Speaker 8: like he does finish runs and I was like, all right, cool, bet.
Speaker 8: I think if they threw the ball to him more,
Speaker 8: he'll catch more passes. So I mean maybe in the
Speaker 8: league there the only ward was he fumbling the ball.
Speaker 8: Man fumbling the ball years eight thumbers in two years. Man,
Speaker 8: that's tough. But I think that's because he's trying to
Speaker 8: run so tough. He's trying to whoop ass so bad
Speaker 8: that he's up fumbling the ball. But what is coaching for, man?
Speaker 8: Please just tap on the show, like keep that run
Speaker 8: thing that you're doing, that hard running that you're doing,
Speaker 8: and just just two hands, man, put the ball on it.
Speaker 8: But uh, Bay Show is a dude, man, you know,
Speaker 8: like you know, I was thinking fifth round, maybe but
Speaker 8: he may be a third.
Speaker 9: Round type guy.
Speaker 8: You know by the time we end up, you know,
Speaker 8: you know, the Cowboys end up looking at him, maybe
Speaker 8: a third round or we'll see. But base shows a
Speaker 8: dude and I like him that.
Speaker 7: I have him been the third RB seven for me.
Speaker 6: Played two seasons at North Carolina A and T so
Speaker 6: he's he's already experienced that jump in competition, which I
Speaker 6: think is in this specific era, in an IL era,
Speaker 6: you're starting to see these guys that already have that
Speaker 6: experience of the jump and leaping competition, and I think
Speaker 6: that helps their NFL progression and their NFL transition a
Speaker 6: lot more. And at Tutton, I think is going to
Speaker 6: be a perfect example of that. I think he's going
Speaker 6: to step into an offense and provide that home run speed,
Speaker 6: provide that physicality on early downs as soon as his
Speaker 6: rookie year. The only thing I worry about from a
Speaker 6: longevity standpoint is is will as body hold up. He's
Speaker 6: he is five foot eight and a half right around
Speaker 6: two hundred and five pounds, and he's a load. He's
Speaker 6: a bowling ball. But that's that's the only thing that
Speaker 6: I worry about. He battled an ankle spraying last season,
Speaker 6: but he didn't miss any games, so there's there's no
Speaker 6: injury history.
Speaker 7: But I just kind of worry about the buyo.
Speaker 5: Fifty four percent of his runs were considered breakaway runs.
Speaker 5: Love that this kid can separate. And another thing you
Speaker 5: need to know about him. Half the games this season
Speaker 5: he had seventy five yards after contact. As there's a
Speaker 5: couple of metric things you might need to know about
Speaker 5: this kid. He's a heck of a player totally.
Speaker 6: If you want any film nerds out there, go watch
Speaker 6: the Boston College tape from this guy last year. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you want to have some fun, let's go do that.
Speaker 3: Also, it's bacial toutin tootint facial tootin.
Speaker 7: Is how you say darn tutin right to tot yep.
Speaker 4: I mean, do you have anything that on there?
Speaker 7: You can take that headline by the way.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 11: In terms of best fit, yeah, uh give me Trey
Speaker 11: Harris from Old Miss I think that. You know, there's
Speaker 11: been so much talk about Ted McMillan at twelve in
Speaker 11: the first round for the Cowboys.
Speaker 10: Well, guys, what if Ted McMillan is off.
Speaker 11: The board at twelve or they don't like him, or
Speaker 11: they pass on him and they say, okay, we need
Speaker 11: another position here in the first round. We can wait
Speaker 11: till the second or the third to get a wide receiver.
Speaker 11: I think you look at in terms of just the
Speaker 11: X go up and get it. Guys in this class.
Speaker 11: Think Trey Harris is the second best guy in the
Speaker 11: class behind McMillan. Incredible fifty to fifty ball. He's six three,
Speaker 11: two hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 10: I believe he's sorry.
Speaker 11: I'm sorry, six two, two hundred and five pounds, thirty
Speaker 11: one seven eighths arms, nine fifth eight hands.
Speaker 10: You could say, oh, he runs a four five four forty. Well,
Speaker 10: you're not.
Speaker 11: Asking this guy to necessarily be a you know, a
Speaker 11: speed guy. You just want him to get open and
Speaker 11: to go up over a guy and get a fifty
Speaker 11: to fifty ball. And I think he can do that
Speaker 11: for You've got Seede Lamb who can be the gyat
Speaker 11: guy for you and burn guys down the field. And
Speaker 11: you've got a Cavante Turpin who looks like he'll get
Speaker 11: used more in a wide receiver role this year. Don't
Speaker 11: know how well, but if that's what you if you
Speaker 11: want speed there, you go feel like that for three years.
Speaker 11: Yeah right, I feel like he had just really well midair,
Speaker 11: strong hands to bring the ball in. He's got good
Speaker 11: burst off the line of scrimmage, so you know, like
Speaker 11: I said, not the best top end speed guy. He's
Speaker 11: got long strides, though he gets the job done. And
Speaker 11: then one of the other things that I like about
Speaker 11: him doesn't get talked a lot. He blocks really well
Speaker 11: outside for runners, so you can if you get you know,
Speaker 11: a guy like Trevion Henderson, who I think is another
Speaker 11: good fit for the Cowboys, you can get him outside,
Speaker 11: block and form so that he can hit those home
Speaker 11: run plays.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to go into like this, this guy
Speaker 5: might be a late third, but if you can grab
Speaker 5: a fourth, the extra fourth, or not the extra, but
Speaker 5: get a fourth back. Teddy Buchanan from Cal linebacker okay,
Speaker 5: fun six thirty three, and he's a you know, speaking
Speaker 5: of Cal Davis, Brian, there we go. I tried to
Speaker 5: I tried to out do you on this one. That
Speaker 5: the side, he's got great size for the position, Like
Speaker 5: I say, six two, two thirty three, he's got to
Speaker 5: pop to his game and he's taken on ball carrier
Speaker 5: as they stop in his tracks. This guy's a physical
Speaker 5: player surprise us. As a blitzer, he can close on
Speaker 5: the ball. There's a couple of snaps where he was
Speaker 5: able to run down cam Ward and force poor passes.
Speaker 5: If you watch the Miami game this year, he's a
Speaker 5: twitchy player and uh and I really like that about him.
Speaker 5: He plays light, uner his feet, lateral ability, covers some
Speaker 5: ground quickly.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 5: He He's one of those guys that is a really
Speaker 5: good finisher, makes big time impacts on ball, cares some
Speaker 5: range to his play. He could track a ball. He
Speaker 5: had a forty inch vertical jump at the combine and
Speaker 5: you can see some of that explosiveness in this game.
Speaker 5: So if you guys are hunting a linebacker right there,
Speaker 5: Teddy Buchanan from cal would be a guy that probably
Speaker 5: is going to be a third round guy if you
Speaker 5: could grab that extra Ford, maybe that's a guy you
Speaker 5: consider on day three.
Speaker 10: Awesome hair too, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he definitely does have some great hair. Did you
Speaker 4: have one?
Speaker 8: I mean I was just up here kicking which Austins
Speaker 8: I talked about too, but I add one to it. Yeah,
Speaker 8: Carson Schwessinger, that was Minela.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was gonna be go for it.
Speaker 8: I was sitting back daydreaming today think about him and
Speaker 8: overshowing today h go on my Twitter, I.
Speaker 9: Talked about it.
Speaker 8: But just just watching that dude do all the things
Speaker 8: that I like from linebackers, because I normally think that
Speaker 8: linebackers are either super athletic but they don't process really well,
Speaker 8: or they process their ass all but dy not fast.
Speaker 8: Oh Carson does it all man, So as a sideline
Speaker 8: sideline guy, covering guy backwards downhill, tackle it blissing sometimes
Speaker 8: with some sacks and all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, four sacks twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8: Sure, I'm like, man, give me, give me him, give
Speaker 8: me him perfect fit next to over Shan. Let him
Speaker 8: do mic things because the one thing that we was
Speaker 8: kind of worried about was the size, with him weighing
Speaker 8: in at like two forty forty two. Perfect here here, sir,
Speaker 8: so Carson swestron Man watching versus I would just just
Speaker 8: read and just get it snap of his fingers, like
Speaker 8: I'm thirty two years old, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So I saw Sean Lee for real, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying. I saw him with my eyes and I
Speaker 8: missed that super diagnosis, not just the instinct dude, that'll
Speaker 8: kind of flow his way into a play. But I've
Speaker 8: been watching film. I know what you're gonna run prior
Speaker 8: to you running it, and at the snap of my finger,
Speaker 8: I'm there. I want that back and down. It's so bad.
Speaker 8: So Carson Swessinger is a fantastic fifth You look good.
Speaker 6: For thirty two votch Hey appreciations. Dave four Ganzi, linebackers
Speaker 6: coach for the Cowboys. He was in attendance at the
Speaker 6: Carson Swashinger individual pro day worked him out, so the
Speaker 6: Cowboys do have context on this guy for sure.
Speaker 7: This would be second round option potentially.
Speaker 8: Now, Nick Harrison, in your opinion, what's more important sending
Speaker 8: a coach down there to talk to him or like
Speaker 8: this thirty visit take a picture with Jerry stuff going
Speaker 8: on right, like like that's something they want to keep
Speaker 8: in the backpacket quietly, or you're gonna send a coach
Speaker 8: down and we're not gonna make a big thing. Like
Speaker 8: what do you think is more impactful?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 7: I think it depends. I think in a situation.
Speaker 6: I think in a situation like this, it would probably
Speaker 6: be more impactful to have the guy on a thirty
Speaker 6: because if you if you have a linebacker, you want
Speaker 6: to get him to talk to the DC.
Speaker 7: You'd like to get him to talk to, you know,
Speaker 7: some multiple position coaches.
Speaker 6: Maybe even talk to Jerry and see how he operates
Speaker 6: against around other players for sure, because he's gonna have
Speaker 6: to be a leader in that defensive room. So I
Speaker 6: think in this specific case, maybe a thirty visit would
Speaker 6: be more important. But you look at a guy like
Speaker 6: Quincy Riley Corner out of Louisville, David Overstreet, the defensive
Speaker 6: backs coach, was in attendance at his pro day. It
Speaker 6: was probably more impactful for the position coach to be
Speaker 6: at his pro day rather than getting him in for
Speaker 6: a thirty.
Speaker 7: So I think it just kind of depends. It's any
Speaker 7: either a ward type.
Speaker 5: Of I ask you a real quick question about the thirty.
Speaker 5: Any word about Golden the wide received from Texas visiting.
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 7: No, No word on Golden as far as I know,
Speaker 7: he was not one of the thirties. Okay, that could be.
Speaker 6: That could be different, and I wouldn't I wouldn't put
Speaker 6: too much context into that because.
Speaker 7: They trust me.
Speaker 4: You got to limit that list.
Speaker 7: The Cowboys know about Matthew goldban Okeah yeah, trust me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Swessenger was mine. I think you had hit it
Speaker 4: right on the head.
Speaker 3: I actually compared him the Demo because a lot of
Speaker 3: his college tape remind me of Demo's tape sideline, the sideline,
Speaker 3: just always around the football. Yet ninety solo tackles his
Speaker 3: senior season next closest was on the leaderboard by fourteen,
Speaker 3: trailing by fourteen points in terms of solo tackles. Finished
Speaker 3: with one hundred and thirty six tackles, nine double digit
Speaker 3: tackle games, most by a linebacker for UCLA since Eric Kendricks.
Speaker 4: He was out there.
Speaker 6: So I'm going to be a cigo just for a second.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry for the Dallas Day was last Friday. And
Speaker 6: if you're watching the film right here on the UCLA
Speaker 6: versus Hawaii, Yeah, if you see that Hawaii quarterback, you're like, hey,
Speaker 6: he's not bad. He was at Dallas Day this last week.
Speaker 6: Brandon Sagar. He's a Highland Park grad and he's going
Speaker 6: to be a UDFA type option. Don't be surprised if
Speaker 6: the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: Take a UDFA quarterback.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you look, Graham Mertz out of Florida quarterbacks coach
Speaker 6: Steve shimcohe was in attendance for his pro day workout.
Speaker 6: They had a couple of guys in attendance for Dallas Day,
Speaker 6: Seth Henigan out of Memphis, He's a Denton Ryan product.
Speaker 6: And then Branden Schagar aka Sagar Bombs out of Highland Park.
Speaker 7: He was in attendance too.
Speaker 3: You and I got to cover him a little bit
Speaker 3: while he was there. Great kid, high school, great kid.
Speaker 4: I think he's got a connection with Babe Lofenberg, right.
Speaker 7: They both live in Highland Park.
Speaker 4: I think they're both around there. Yeah, that's fair, good point.
Speaker 7: Everybody in Highland Park knows each other.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like Beaumont, like everybody in Southeast Texas related somehow,
Speaker 6: it's the same thing in Highland Park.
Speaker 3: But since you took Swesssenger, I'll just throw out Trey
Speaker 3: Amos because we've already kind of touched on his scouting
Speaker 3: report and what we say. I think as a second
Speaker 3: round guy, I think he would be a perfect fit
Speaker 3: from a big corner outside kind of help you out
Speaker 3: a little bit with the current corner situation. I would
Speaker 3: take almost there at forty four and run with it.
Speaker 3: If that's the case, all right, that does it for
Speaker 3: us here. On the Draft Show. We'll be back on Thursday.
Speaker 3: As then we're two weeks out from the NFL Draft.
Speaker 3: It is coming up very very quickly for Nick Harris.
Speaker 3: Brian brought us Tommy Yarrish, Fox Lombardi with Jasmine Marshall
Speaker 3: in the back of Kyle Yeoman saying so long, We'll
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