Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage has been been every version of a person
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. He's been a joke, he's been a fraud,
Speaker 1: he's been somebody we we treated like an idiot.
Speaker 2: But he's always been white. We haven't seen him switching.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen like So I would like that. I
Speaker 1: would like that quite a bit.
Speaker 3: I think Tyler Perry can make that happen. Nicholas Cage,
Speaker 3: Tyler Perry, I think, and.
Speaker 4: I think together for evil.
Speaker 3: I think I think two we can make it happen anyway.
Speaker 1: Racist money, actually many turn stuff.
Speaker 4: I can't tell me, so I creep. Yeah, I just
Speaker 4: keep it on the download because no one else is
Speaker 4: supposed to know. Welcome to Mama's and gentiles alike to
Speaker 4: another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told.
Speaker 1: Me the podcast What We Died, deep deep into the
Speaker 1: pockets of black conspiracy theories, and.
Speaker 4: We finally worked to prove that Andre three thousand has
Speaker 4: lost a couple of those numbers is Andre twenty six
Speaker 4: forty two? After that flute ship, my name is David
Speaker 4: ford Man.
Speaker 1: I don't like hearing it, but I'm like stick German.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that I exaggerated the number of the
Speaker 4: amount of numbers he lost.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, it's like it's like it's in like that twenty.
Speaker 4: Three eighty nine. He's good, he's yeah, and I just
Speaker 4: don't like flutes. That's nice.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's still only lost a
Speaker 1: few points.
Speaker 4: But but it is you.
Speaker 1: You just want that rap album, baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, someday, someday, I feel like a Trump presidency if
Speaker 4: it pushes us to a new three thousand album. Finish
Speaker 4: what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, finish your sentence four days, four days. And you're like,
Speaker 1: this ain't so bad.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I've already resigned to it.
Speaker 1: Man, this man's not even in the Oval office again yet.
Speaker 4: And you're like, I will be all right, We'll call
Speaker 4: the bright side.
Speaker 1: We can't. We can't delete or dally anymore than we
Speaker 1: already have. Our guest today is in studio with us.
Speaker 1: She's phenomenal, a dear friend, an artist, a comedian, a
Speaker 1: a a unit.
Speaker 2: To do it, but so much more.
Speaker 1: She she's a she's a dear friend. We're so happy
Speaker 1: she's here. Give it up for Sydney washing to everybody.
Speaker 2: You know black man won an intro.
Speaker 3: I mean, no credits, just she's a person's funny.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: We love all vibes over here.
Speaker 2: So I have So you don't like the fluke, I'm not. Uh,
Speaker 2: you're not here for the flu.
Speaker 4: I don't have discerning a taste enough to understand how
Speaker 4: good it is.
Speaker 2: I think, really, So that's a that's a that's a
Speaker 2: you thing.
Speaker 4: That's what I said. It's you know, I'm not a
Speaker 4: flu guy. It doesn't mean he's not expanded.
Speaker 2: No, he's already expanded. Baby, he did it.
Speaker 4: So he left us, you know, And I'm hurt, and
Speaker 4: I'm just a bitter a yeah.
Speaker 2: A bitter ax. He's doing better than you, babe. He's
Speaker 2: working hard.
Speaker 1: The way you're going hard for this suggests to me
Speaker 1: that you did like the flute album that.
Speaker 3: You But it's all about elevation. You have to elevate.
Speaker 3: You have to be a taste maker. You can't be
Speaker 3: doing what everybody else is doing because they're doing it.
Speaker 2: You understand.
Speaker 3: If if everybody is on the train rapping for dollar bills,
Speaker 3: Andre is like, no, no, no, I don't want to
Speaker 3: be associated without flutes.
Speaker 2: I don't see flutes everywhere.
Speaker 4: It implies that he's not competitive liked he's still rapping
Speaker 4: better than all the people for dollars.
Speaker 2: We've moved on. We've done you moved on. Yes, I
Speaker 2: don't like it because I don't have your ear for it.
Speaker 4: That's what I said.
Speaker 2: You know what, I just Christopher Columbus, your whole ship.
Speaker 2: How does it feel feel a white man?
Speaker 4: Yes, my shirt doesn't mean there's one in my world?
Speaker 4: Why did you direct that? A means I was fired?
Speaker 2: Was yere to dismantle this brotherhood?
Speaker 1: And it's working.
Speaker 4: In and of itself? What were united? We got pictures
Speaker 4: on our shirt, stronger than we've ever been.
Speaker 3: It hurts to see this like you Obviously, y'all are
Speaker 3: really good at whatever you're doing, and.
Speaker 2: I have to support it. So I think.
Speaker 1: I think by whatever you're doing you mean talking to
Speaker 1: niggas at the mall. Excuse me, man, you think you
Speaker 1: could pull this off and he could shut out?
Speaker 4: It looks good Je Romero and them all. I don't
Speaker 4: know the name.
Speaker 2: Of how much it cost enough.
Speaker 1: This don't come cheap, sweetheart. You're gonna want that podcast
Speaker 1: to get at least a few more episodes than clearly,
Speaker 1: if I want to start buying shirts.
Speaker 4: I'm a bill Will Ferrell for this.
Speaker 2: This is absolutely invoice andre As Well.
Speaker 4: It feels like you were on my side and then
Speaker 4: I lost it for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Okay, we enough, a goddamn enough. We have a conspiracy
Speaker 1: that you brought. You brought to us. Uh no more
Speaker 1: than than two hours ago. You said I have a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: This is something I believe passionately. And we broadened that
Speaker 1: conspiracy a little just to be able to open this
Speaker 1: conversation up. But you said, my mama told.
Speaker 2: Me Tyler Perry is the devil.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and specifically Cecily Tyson died to get out of
Speaker 3: her contract with him.
Speaker 2: Wow, the new death row.
Speaker 5: Okay, if you don't want me all addressed, hidden people
Speaker 5: with your Yeah, that has a gun in it.
Speaker 1: Listen, niggas down the stairs and they wheel chair.
Speaker 3: Got Janet Jackson in a curly, wet and wavy crying.
Speaker 4: That a good cry though about her husband on the
Speaker 4: down load.
Speaker 2: So you're doing but that is another movie, that's all.
Speaker 2: That's not.
Speaker 1: Janet did multiple that's.
Speaker 2: For that was for Colored Girls that I considered suicide.
Speaker 1: That's but she did multiple Yes, Yeah, all the.
Speaker 2: Day I think, why did I get married?
Speaker 1: Well, I knew she did multiple. Why did I get married?
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. She then also extended into like
Speaker 1: the multi verse of Tyler Perry.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think that's how you do it.
Speaker 3: That's how you do You don't just do. If you
Speaker 3: do one thing, you're bad. That means you're not useful.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 1: But some people sober up to it to some extent,
Speaker 1: Like Taraji did one. She's not going back to talk.
Speaker 4: Did you do more than one? Was it? Just like
Speaker 4: I can do bad all by I.
Speaker 1: Think she only did that. I can do bad, but
Speaker 1: all by myself. I could be wrong. But even if
Speaker 1: she did Idris it's another example. Yeah, I fucked around
Speaker 1: over here for a second, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: Do Daddy's Little Girl. Yeah, that wasn't That wasn't terrible.
Speaker 4: That was The issue is not the quality of the movie.
Speaker 4: Some of them I really like.
Speaker 3: Really, that's it's not the quality. Yeah, I already I'm
Speaker 3: gonna already say.
Speaker 4: I consume some of those movies like junk Food. It's
Speaker 4: just like it's not there's no yeah yeah yeah, in
Speaker 4: small doses though, it feels good, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like it's just like there's no major problems. It's just
Speaker 4: rich black people running around. Oh that's interesting. That's like
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 4: I'm cool with. You don't see them in the comedies,
Speaker 4: not in the ones where it's like but you. You
Speaker 4: don't see them in any way.
Speaker 1: Like morally corrupt or sort of like harmful.
Speaker 4: The characters within the movie. Yeah, not more so than
Speaker 4: like I see anybody in any other movie, Like I
Speaker 4: don't are.
Speaker 2: You Are you? Are you all the way awake when
Speaker 2: you're watching this?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are you conscious?
Speaker 4: It's like it's like, yeah, it's like, if you're feeling down,
Speaker 4: you just watch like a funny, happy movie.
Speaker 2: If you're feeling down, you put on Tyler Perry.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of movies. Yeah, there's a couple of
Speaker 4: movies Watch.
Speaker 2: Do You Have a Therapist? In between?
Speaker 4: It's a movie.
Speaker 2: Silent Perry Perry.
Speaker 4: He says, Hello, I'm just saying it's a big there's
Speaker 4: a big market for it. The reason I think He's
Speaker 4: the Devil is not the actual movie. WHOA, Okay, I
Speaker 4: think it's the U the labor practices to really kind
Speaker 4: of get to me, okay, like not being union and
Speaker 4: stuff like that in an industry where like the standard
Speaker 4: is to work unions, so it's like you're already putting
Speaker 4: the people work with you like a little bit of
Speaker 4: a disadvantage, right, And then it's like so it's like
Speaker 4: you build this thing that is massive and does give
Speaker 4: a lot of jobs, and that's very important, but you
Speaker 4: make it so that these people are tied to you
Speaker 4: in a way. Yeah, if you were getting if you
Speaker 4: were allowing people to bounce over here and here and
Speaker 4: here and get money and that was cool, then it
Speaker 4: makes sense. But now it feels like if you're keeping
Speaker 4: a stable it feels like you're not allowing people to grow.
Speaker 1: I know a few barbers who have like dipped in
Speaker 1: and out of like the Tyler Perry space, and all
Speaker 1: of them sort of like in a weird way, it
Speaker 1: gets sort of like, uh, like, no, I'm not going
Speaker 1: back over there or over there. I gotta really be
Speaker 1: down to be over there, because that's you. You're working
Speaker 1: crazy hours, you're sort of being manipulated in this space.
Speaker 1: And then I think they're they're expecting a commitment that
Speaker 1: you can't like back out of easy, you.
Speaker 3: Know, because it's like again, it's that thing about like exposure.
Speaker 3: You're like, well, I'm in this, so this is actually
Speaker 3: going to help me. And then after a couple of
Speaker 3: rounds of it, you're like, wait, I'm still a bartender.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm a well known bar.
Speaker 3: People know me, but I still have to bartend on
Speaker 3: the side because I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't make everything ends me.
Speaker 1: I also think where it gets complicated is to your point,
Speaker 1: the stink that it puts on you once you do
Speaker 1: become a little bit of a Tyler Perry person, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, did we see maximum Allen Payne potential?
Speaker 4: Wow? This is you? You was just the third time,
Speaker 4: second time we talked about Alan paid the week. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: You mean you mean Jason's lyric, the Alan Paine. He
Speaker 3: was a great He was in everything.
Speaker 4: He was everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in every six he was making. He
Speaker 3: was lot that curl pattern. We don't see that kind
Speaker 3: of curl pattern, and.
Speaker 4: It was he was.
Speaker 1: He was a clearly black man with a natural curl.
Speaker 1: This nigga had it all.
Speaker 4: You would have I would have bet the house. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would have bet the house.
Speaker 1: And he and he sunk his fucking ship over there.
Speaker 1: What happened. Do you know what I mean, give us
Speaker 1: back Alan Payne, Tyler Perry or what.
Speaker 2: Oh wait was it was it Tyler Perry?
Speaker 3: Or that it was just like Alan Payne had got
Speaker 3: type cast so many times were like we didn't seen
Speaker 3: this song and dance.
Speaker 4: But that is a difficult thing, right if you get
Speaker 4: typecast that much. Yeah, but you don't grow to a
Speaker 4: level where it's unanimous that people know you're that you
Speaker 4: kind of can't work in that forever.
Speaker 1: But I'll challenge you all. I will challenge you on
Speaker 1: this because because on the flip look at bokem woodbind
Speaker 1: who came who went through it had like this heightened
Speaker 1: moment where he was sort of typecast as this like
Speaker 1: crazy eyed villain and ship, but then took a break
Speaker 1: and came back, came back chubby and now has had
Speaker 1: a whole new career. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: As older he was, he did Fargo, which was amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said, and they said that was the best
Speaker 3: part of the movie.
Speaker 1: Listen, bokem Woodbine is the best. But he never went
Speaker 1: over there. And That's what I'm saying is that maybe
Speaker 1: there's a world where Alan Payne finds his true detective moment.
Speaker 2: We got to put him in the A twenty four.
Speaker 3: I think some people, or once you get in mainstream,
Speaker 3: you have that opportunity to do all things like bad
Speaker 3: good things that you're like, why are you even a
Speaker 3: part of this? But certain specifically black people, once you
Speaker 3: get into that little corner, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's all you have.
Speaker 3: Like Glenn Close, she was in Deliverance. I'm coughing because
Speaker 3: I can't even catch I can't even breathe. The work
Speaker 3: that she did in that movie one, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: She's like, I've done everything that I need to do.
Speaker 3: I have ascended to the point of let's play, let's
Speaker 3: have fun.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'll learn some patois.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now now the wigs. The wigs were not by
Speaker 3: Tyler Perry in that movie. Glenn Close almost was like,
Speaker 3: is she by Rachel? She was giving Rachel jose All
Speaker 3: a run for her funness? I'm gonna say that on air.
Speaker 1: As somebody who has not seen the movie, I assure
Speaker 1: you she is not.
Speaker 2: She is.
Speaker 1: I looked at all them clips y'all were posting, and
Speaker 1: I was sober when I you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like y'all were.
Speaker 1: Y'all were enthralled, so you were bought into the whole
Speaker 1: experience as somebody who did not experience it. I was like,
Speaker 1: this looks insane.
Speaker 3: No, she said nappy pussy on in the movie, and
Speaker 3: I said, We're gone.
Speaker 2: She's gone, She's like, but they were.
Speaker 3: Every everybody black was like, she's got to win a
Speaker 3: Golden Globe for this.
Speaker 1: And everybody white was like, what are you talking?
Speaker 2: Is she unwell?
Speaker 3: Is her?
Speaker 2: Where is he? Is it the braids? Is it the braids?
Speaker 2: That's what the white people were saying with Glenn.
Speaker 3: But Glenn has done it all. She has proven herself,
Speaker 3: so she can do it. But once you get into
Speaker 3: the I feel like Tyler Perry Rome, it's kind of
Speaker 3: wrapped up.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the scary part, right is that?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 1: Even that movie? I don't it's not a Tyler Perry production.
Speaker 2: It's Lee Daniels, which is the cousin the cousin of
Speaker 2: Tyler Perry.
Speaker 1: I think there, I think, and I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I think Lee Daniels is certainly Tyler Perry junior.
Speaker 2: Yes, he would love to.
Speaker 1: Be Tyler Perry in some former fashion that said, I
Speaker 1: think Lee Daniels still they let Lee Daniels do too much,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, in the legitimate spaces where
Speaker 1: they gave him oscars and nominations.
Speaker 3: And he is first of all. We have to no,
Speaker 3: let's not be anti black. These brothers have done.
Speaker 2: Some good work.
Speaker 3: There have been some things, I know, Dave, I'm sorry
Speaker 3: they have done. Really, they've been some pieces where you're like,
Speaker 3: you know what this is?
Speaker 1: Give me uh and maybe we should take the break.
Speaker 1: This is a good way for us to go on break.
Speaker 1: I think this will be fun. When we come back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna unpack some projects that we think are defendable
Speaker 1: for Tyler Perry and or Lee Daniels. We'll talk through
Speaker 1: the ones that we think are truly defendable, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about why. But we'll come back and we'll be
Speaker 1: back with more Sydney Washington and more.
Speaker 4: Ma Mama told me we are back discussing our favorite
Speaker 4: Tyler Perry movies. Oh god, I don't know that that
Speaker 4: was the assignment at all. Had to tweak it because
Speaker 4: your parameters weren't working.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think what it should be is more this question.
Speaker 1: If we're talking about these figures as evil rights, as
Speaker 1: sort of spawn of Satans, as is sort of implied here.
Speaker 1: I think we should be careful to remind ourselves which
Speaker 1: pieces at least hold some value for the greater good society,
Speaker 1: that it's less about whether or not that we like them,
Speaker 1: and more do they actually benefit the larger world around us?
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna go first, Yeah, so precious that Okaylee Daniels.
Speaker 2: That was probably the most controversial.
Speaker 1: And that's Tyler Perry production.
Speaker 3: Everybody was revolved, they had everybody, they had there.
Speaker 1: Carrie showed up movie.
Speaker 3: I watch it and I say, yes, this definitely gives
Speaker 3: sun Dance this gift.
Speaker 2: It's indie.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is like it's it feels like low budget
Speaker 3: but in such an artistic way that I'm like, I
Speaker 3: can appreciate this.
Speaker 2: Now. The masses, the.
Speaker 3: Masses watching this, this this story from the book Push.
Speaker 2: It was It was hard. It was so hard. And
Speaker 2: that and Monique playing that.
Speaker 3: Mother so well to the point where like, do like Monique?
Speaker 2: Do we like her?
Speaker 3: I almost think that people weren't on her side because
Speaker 3: they almost thought you are that mother that was in
Speaker 3: you were touching.
Speaker 2: Your daughter like that. That's how That's how controversial the
Speaker 2: movie was.
Speaker 3: That everybody was playing the role so well that you're like,
Speaker 3: this might be their real lives. Riah carry Riah carry
Speaker 3: rough Draft, Mariah Carey.
Speaker 2: That was alarming. It was alarming.
Speaker 3: And they threw on the beauty supply wig and they said, go, yeah,
Speaker 3: a little bit of concealer.
Speaker 2: But she was great, incredible.
Speaker 1: I love this as an answer because I similarly felt
Speaker 1: all of those things in seeing the film in theaters.
Speaker 1: You went in theater theater and I had my sisters
Speaker 1: with me. I swear to God, because I was like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be like a beautiful film of empowerment
Speaker 1: for for them to see, like this big girl who
Speaker 1: overcomes and like figures out a way to move forward.
Speaker 1: You didn't read the book and truly was just haunted
Speaker 1: by the experience, And so I asked this because I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I felt all those things. But how
Speaker 1: much of that was just a weird stacking of awful
Speaker 1: on top of awful and not really a human experience
Speaker 1: to make us better?
Speaker 3: Well, t I had a friend in it, Zosha, and
Speaker 3: I think this.
Speaker 2: Was her first big role. She killed it.
Speaker 3: I was like, so there, I'm being honest, I'm there supporting,
Speaker 3: I enjoy, right, But then.
Speaker 2: It is somebody's story, so should we not?
Speaker 1: But it's not somebody's story that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like parts of this are somebody's story. The experience of
Speaker 1: abuse is somebody's story. The experience of you know, being
Speaker 1: overweight and like the challenges of being poor is somebody's story.
Speaker 1: The experience of getting AIDS is somebody's story. But all
Speaker 1: of those combined into this single person, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it was just this shit.
Speaker 2: You don't think all that stuff can happen. Yes, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: This is somebody's story. If you're listening and this is
Speaker 3: your story, I need you.
Speaker 1: If if you're listening and this is your story, please
Speaker 1: stop listening to this. Go seek help now, because you
Speaker 1: have so much going on that you don't have time
Speaker 1: to dilly or dally with podcasts. Truly, this is that's
Speaker 1: She was pregnant and didn't know she was pregnant. She
Speaker 1: was being assaulted by her mama and or daddy. She
Speaker 1: was Mariah Carey was trying to or was trying to
Speaker 1: save her, but then they had Yes, Yes.
Speaker 3: I be on TikTok all day all night, that is
Speaker 3: somebody's story. The way people be just diarrhea of the mouth,
Speaker 3: just telling their business, they mama business, they cousin's cousins,
Speaker 3: and bad after bad after bad. I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: even turn on the TV no more because people are
Speaker 3: telling us our problems.
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess less than me saying it's impossible
Speaker 1: for anybody to experience this. I'm saying, there's a point
Speaker 1: where it stops being any version of universal. Okay, it
Speaker 1: just starts being a singular, fucked up story that nobody.
Speaker 1: It doesn't belong to black people. It doesn't belong to
Speaker 1: brown people. That bitch's life sucks, Peerish says. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: And there's some people in this building that also have
Speaker 1: stories that are closer to like a universal experience. And
Speaker 1: I wonder about the act de porn. Even though for
Speaker 1: for me a person watching it, it worked, I was like,
Speaker 1: Holy shit, this this motherfucker's crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, what about Monsters Ball?
Speaker 1: WHOA?
Speaker 2: What about that Holly.
Speaker 3: Berry won it won, that won that award, won that
Speaker 3: Golden Ticket?
Speaker 1: And this movie, it's worth noting Monsters Ball, you said,
Speaker 1: is a Lee Daniels production. Yes, right, Okay, thoughts.
Speaker 3: I mean she is getting banged out by Billy Bob Thornton.
Speaker 3: Not a drop of makeup, not a comb going through
Speaker 3: the hair.
Speaker 2: Did He's in it? He's in it.
Speaker 1: It's actually, I think one of his first serious roles,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2: Honestly, he ate he ate he was in jail.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 2: He was on death row. Baby. The way the art work,
Speaker 2: it's always like.
Speaker 4: He was on death row.
Speaker 1: And they never told us why either.
Speaker 2: He did not know. They're just like, yeah, he.
Speaker 4: Did, so he was.
Speaker 1: He was acting up the leg it wa'.
Speaker 2: Let was in it. Amazing.
Speaker 3: Wow, alright, p shout out to him. I'm a him
Speaker 3: in real life and sweet sweet sweet guy. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: gave good tip to Okay, yeah, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 2: Some people like to speak ill of the dead, not me.
Speaker 1: Sydney came on here and so far his only defended
Speaker 1: white men.
Speaker 4: But yo, whoa.
Speaker 2: Cameras dead ass?
Speaker 3: Couldn't be like, no, sare you? You've been dragging Bax
Speaker 3: left and right, all.
Speaker 2: Dark skinned mind you, that's my style.
Speaker 1: You, on the other hand, are selling your people out.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I enjoyed the rawness of it again,
Speaker 3: Like if this was like an eight twenty four production,
Speaker 3: we'd be like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it did get all the love, right.
Speaker 1: It's another example of one I think it won. Well,
Speaker 1: she won the Oscar for it, certainly. I think it's
Speaker 1: just like a lot of films where we sober up
Speaker 1: to what the fuck we watched three years ago?
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean saying it won then,
Speaker 3: but it wouldn't It wouldn't hold up right now.
Speaker 1: Crash won the Oscar for Best Picture and is now
Speaker 1: like people laugh at the idea that Crash was now.
Speaker 2: I didn't like the invisible cloak. He tried to cheat me.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, hold up, they're dragging Crash.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The people don't like Crashing. Come because it starred Ludacris, that.
Speaker 2: He was in Fast Furious.
Speaker 4: They loved that, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Luda didn't do a fine job.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that you don't give a Ludacris film best picture.
Speaker 2: Then Tate was in it.
Speaker 3: They had everybody your name Mama and Crash talking about
Speaker 3: Sandra Bullock. Yeah, the patient queen, you know who, Samuel Bullock, you.
Speaker 1: Know, the only other type of movie that does movies
Speaker 1: like that where everybody's in it is like them shitty
Speaker 1: movies where it's like Valentine's dad.
Speaker 4: Came.
Speaker 3: Ryan Philippe was in it. Yeah, it was too many.
Speaker 1: Big names for you to be managing a good story,
Speaker 1: so then you just play.
Speaker 3: It was like in a in a cheesy way, they
Speaker 3: were making their points. Yeah, but then we found out
Speaker 3: that people who wrote it were white. So that's what
Speaker 3: that's what fucked us up. That's what it was, which.
Speaker 4: Is why you pick lud and then you look at
Speaker 4: it as a whole. Yeah, it did just that, No,
Speaker 4: just what you thought they would do.
Speaker 1: Okay, So so Monsters Ball is a defendable for you.
Speaker 1: Precious is a defendable.
Speaker 2: For I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I wasn't mad at the movie Holly Berry winning the
Speaker 3: Oscar for it. I was like, damn, why we gotta
Speaker 3: be down and out to win? But they do that
Speaker 3: for everybody either you got it.
Speaker 2: What's her name? Charlista ron? She she had to get
Speaker 2: ugly and murder niggas, like you know.
Speaker 1: I think the only difference is they can also escape
Speaker 1: through like musicals.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? That?
Speaker 1: Like Chicago? What's the la one that they no no no.
Speaker 1: Although A Star is Born is another good example. It's
Speaker 1: not quite it is a musical to some extent, but
Speaker 1: the one where they're la la land uh. Those they
Speaker 1: can be joyful, they can be not like look like shit.
Speaker 3: And when Leonardo DiCaprio was in Everything, they didn't give
Speaker 3: him that award until he got raped by bear.
Speaker 2: So you know what, maybe the Academy is just doing
Speaker 2: everybody wrong. Actually it's one for one.
Speaker 4: It's like that.
Speaker 1: That's what you think happened with that bear.
Speaker 2: That's what I saw what it looks.
Speaker 3: Am I wrong? When they said when they said would
Speaker 3: you rather be trapped in the forest with a bear
Speaker 3: or a man?
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, which bear?
Speaker 3: Because I bear in the movie with you.
Speaker 4: He's gonna take it.
Speaker 1: That bear got him. I remember just learning what the
Speaker 1: premise of that movie was and thinking, damn, this is
Speaker 1: give this man the award, and.
Speaker 2: They did, and they did.
Speaker 3: He I think he he read the script and said,
Speaker 3: you know what, it's time.
Speaker 2: It's time.
Speaker 3: Now I got a lock in. He said, Goro to
Speaker 3: death in Titanic, right, this is a different it's a
Speaker 3: different type of death.
Speaker 2: I'm not dying I'm not dying, I'm living Jack Jack.
Speaker 1: Her sweet voice.
Speaker 4: Okay, here's what I said. Okay, here we go, and
Speaker 4: looking at the full Tyler Perry filmography.
Speaker 1: Well okay, and it's worth noting she only defended Lee, didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she brought nothing to the table for Tyler. Tyler so
Speaker 1: far as indefensible for you?
Speaker 4: Is that true?
Speaker 3: Why did I get married? I fucked with that heavy.
Speaker 3: I thought that was valid and into.
Speaker 2: And mah two.
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know if we need this, but
Speaker 3: I heard it was doing a Why Why did I
Speaker 3: get married?
Speaker 2: Three? And that's why Sisily was like.
Speaker 4: And then she died.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: She was like, I'm tired.
Speaker 3: Because Tyler said I paid Cecily a million dollars for
Speaker 3: one day of work, and she was like, wait, why
Speaker 3: are you telling them about my business? Because he was
Speaker 3: trying to let her know, Hey, you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: work some other day.
Speaker 2: We got more and we got for you.
Speaker 1: That million was an advance. Yeah, you got work to do.
Speaker 4: I dad, throw we gotta shoot season forty of Sisters?
Speaker 2: Who are we going to hell? But Tyler, it's only
Speaker 2: been out three years? Olena, how wish he was back? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think that, uh, I'll take why did I get married?
Speaker 4: Just in the idea of just a romantic comedy. I
Speaker 4: don't think it detracts anything from art or the conversation
Speaker 4: or anything like that, Okay, because I do think that,
Speaker 4: like when we're talking about him as a whole and
Speaker 4: like his output, I don't think it needs to be
Speaker 4: He doesn't have to be a twenty four to be
Speaker 4: worthy of existing in the space, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's always been my issue with it, right,
Speaker 1: is it's not that I'm expecting him to be.
Speaker 4: And we're he isn't even the right word. I just mean, like,
Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be bad that style. But I
Speaker 4: guess that's my point is I don't need it to
Speaker 4: be some high art. I just needed to hold itself
Speaker 4: to some standard.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: Like Adam Sandler movies. I don't like all of them.
Speaker 1: I don't like honestly most of them, but every single
Speaker 1: one of them, I go, Oh, Adam really thought this
Speaker 1: was funny, do you know what I mean? He really
Speaker 1: believed in like whatever this configuration of funny people and
Speaker 1: jokes was, and he put it out believing that it
Speaker 1: was going to serve an audience, whereas like Tyler, I
Speaker 1: don't think gives a fuck, but it does.
Speaker 4: Degrees in what he does. No, I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: mean that. Some of the stuff is like definitely just
Speaker 4: put together and rushed out. But some of them you
Speaker 4: could tell. It's like he wanted this to be a
Speaker 4: good film, right, Like he wanted to yeah, and it
Speaker 4: served his audience.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that that that's the violence, is to
Speaker 1: put out the rush shit knowing you had more potential
Speaker 1: for a quality film even as you see it, right, like,
Speaker 1: even if it's not objectively quality, you knew, like, all
Speaker 1: right when I put this out, I stand on that.
Speaker 3: If what if Tyler Perry is ahead of the curve
Speaker 3: and he said, these audiences they're pretty bad, So what
Speaker 3: are we spending.
Speaker 2: Years together and throw it out there. They don't watch it.
Speaker 2: They're gonna pay money, they're gonna go.
Speaker 4: Well, you look at it that way, and honestly, Genie, right,
Speaker 4: if you look at it that way, well.
Speaker 3: It's just like comedians right now, stand up comedians posting clips.
Speaker 2: You're like, that joke's not done, that needs some tags. Whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like, what are we waiting for put it And
Speaker 3: sometimes the stuff that's the most unfinished gets the most
Speaker 3: viral moments. So that Tyler Perry is, oh.
Speaker 1: Want to know you want to stand up while you
Speaker 1: say it, let's go with your hand on your heart?
Speaker 2: What the fuck is about that? Stand up?
Speaker 3: Comedians took a note from Tyler Perry and they say
Speaker 3: put it out.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what where I start to go, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that is a greater destruction of the world, right, yes,
Speaker 1: because I do think the deterioration of art is like
Speaker 1: a fundamental reflection of like what's happening in the larger
Speaker 1: world around.
Speaker 4: Us doesn't necessarily mean good.
Speaker 1: Still, No, he's an innovator for sure, Like he really
Speaker 1: broke ground on some vile, vile ship.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, and that's.
Speaker 3: Yet what we know how it's done. You're like, oh, sir,
Speaker 3: how much? Tell me what the prescription is.
Speaker 1: But but even even the idea that you have, like
Speaker 1: all these shoots happening constantly on this large property that
Speaker 1: you're not doing multiple takes on that you're not even
Speaker 1: fucking like you know, you're not there, Sidney, what.
Speaker 2: Do we what game are we playing? I just want
Speaker 2: to hear a fact.
Speaker 4: That's the whole boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not allowed to see it because they're doing
Speaker 1: crazy ship with these these people whose lives that will
Speaker 1: never come.
Speaker 3: Back, these people, black people. Don't you say, these people.
Speaker 1: These dumb dumbs trapped in a cave.
Speaker 2: I can't now. Your hairline is nice.
Speaker 1: Don't push you back, Alan fucking Pain.
Speaker 3: You don't mean if you If you love Alan so much,
Speaker 3: I want you to get his tattoo, Get a tattoo,
Speaker 3: Alan Allen.
Speaker 1: I just miss him.
Speaker 2: He's alive. Is he find him on Instagram?
Speaker 1: I bet he got a different instrugra.
Speaker 2: He said that Pain fucked him up.
Speaker 1: I bet it's at Alan Tyler Payne dot.
Speaker 3: There was a there was a new movie recently, not recently,
Speaker 3: but like earlier this year that Tyler Perry made with
Speaker 3: Kelly Rowland Mia Coppola.
Speaker 2: And I watched it. Yeah, I watched it. Was it terrible?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Was it amazing?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, and that sometimes we just need something
Speaker 3: that we could put our eyes on, take us out
Speaker 3: of the moment.
Speaker 1: But again, I think the point is less that he
Speaker 1: can't do it. I don't think my suggestion is everything
Speaker 1: he's ever made has been a violent violation Daddy's little girls.
Speaker 2: I like, I was like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 1: It's not I'm not offended by this.
Speaker 3: It just is you just you want to do things
Speaker 3: that you want things made that and offend you.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, i want there to be a standard
Speaker 1: of quality so that we're not getting clips of a
Speaker 1: dude getting punched in the face and spinning a full
Speaker 1: three sixty and saying as he falls down. I'm saying
Speaker 1: I want the I want a billionaire who owns literally
Speaker 1: half of Atlanta to invest in quality wigs and that
Speaker 1: not to be part of the conversation. I want to
Speaker 1: explore the world beyond mister Brown.
Speaker 2: Cant everything that he's saying right now.
Speaker 1: I want a real story that you believe in every time,
Speaker 1: because you have the resources and frankly, you present to
Speaker 1: us to be this healer of our community. So put
Speaker 1: the effort in to show us that love every single time.
Speaker 3: So once you say once all that done is Tyler
Speaker 3: Langston will be right on that motherfucking lot.
Speaker 2: That's what he's trying to tell you. Get your money.
Speaker 1: When buddy, when I run out, I'll come be a slave.
Speaker 2: A part of it.
Speaker 1: Slave away with me.
Speaker 2: This is really just it's ending pro Tyler Perry, which
Speaker 2: is that's how you know it.
Speaker 1: No, I want to be clear. I'm I could not
Speaker 1: be more anti Tyler Perry. You too are pro Tyler Perry.
Speaker 1: For me, I am the exact opposite. I think he's
Speaker 1: the worst.
Speaker 2: I'm pro.
Speaker 3: You know, we should be able to be as messy
Speaker 3: and ridiculous and unprofessional as everybody else in his business,
Speaker 3: and we're not. We're not allowed to and Tyler Perry
Speaker 3: is doing that and so therefore.
Speaker 2: But he's what he But it.
Speaker 3: Also is like bad because, like you said, there's so
Speaker 3: many people who are trapped in this circle of Perry production.
Speaker 1: I just dream of a day when we don't have
Speaker 1: to hold ourselves to the standard of the worst white person.
Speaker 2: I didn't say white. Now you said white, Well it
Speaker 2: was I said the industry. I said, I said the industry.
Speaker 2: I feel like we are. You almost said Jewish.
Speaker 4: With you.
Speaker 2: I did not say that.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is we always have to do black excellence,
Speaker 3: black excellence. We gotta have autocrests, we gotta we've got
Speaker 3: to go to school for we have to be so
Speaker 3: about this life and it's just like that's that's not
Speaker 3: how art is made.
Speaker 2: All the time. We didn't go to n y U,
Speaker 2: we didn't go to Juilliard.
Speaker 3: So that means that the way we conduct you know,
Speaker 3: acting and comedy or whatever is not up to standard.
Speaker 1: No, I think I'm not suggesting even for a second
Speaker 1: that there needs to be a standardization of quality. I'm
Speaker 1: not suggesting that there needs to be a standardization of
Speaker 1: this industry. But I do think that like this breaks
Speaker 1: down to questions of human decency. For me, this is
Speaker 1: this is not just oh, I made the best movie
Speaker 1: I could make, and if you like it, you like it.
Speaker 1: If you don't, you don't. I've seen plenty of those movies,
Speaker 1: and we can argue all day about which one souls are.
Speaker 1: But there's nothing he's putting in on sisters. Do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Oh Yo, when I tell you the be Et Bandits.
Speaker 3: Is gonna be a you, I want to be a part.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a party.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: Someone to make sure you untagged.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna be mad.
Speaker 2: They are, they will ride at down. But that's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I get it that I understand that.
Speaker 2: Even better.
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's trying his best on all
Speaker 1: of these things. And I think we gotta be honest
Speaker 1: about that, Dave. I think that what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Is it like a ratios thing, like what do you
Speaker 1: think is good to bad?
Speaker 4: Ratio is tell me?
Speaker 2: Let us know what you right now, right now? Hold
Speaker 2: on what is good for you movie? Right now?
Speaker 4: Show? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, that's that feels that that's complicating the conversation.
Speaker 2: Okay, because you want to you want to keep your jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to play this nasty little.
Speaker 3: To hold me if I wouldn't do what I did
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 1: Who that's not the point of this conversation.
Speaker 2: A good try, sister, I can't even. They won't even
Speaker 2: see me a script. I can't even.
Speaker 1: I think if we're talking ratio of what I think
Speaker 1: he offers up good to bad, I think it's ninety
Speaker 1: percent bad and ten percent good.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Did you like Vampire
Speaker 2: and Brooklyn?
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a good movie.
Speaker 2: It was a good movie. No, what is good?
Speaker 4: Not that?
Speaker 2: Why wasn't it good? Eddie Murphy was in it?
Speaker 1: Angela basis, Yeah, Eddie Murphy is in a female It.
Speaker 2: Was yo, yo, you think it's a good movie.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, you think it's a.
Speaker 2: Good movie, iconic, legendary, No no, no, boo boo.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play this game where we swerve around
Speaker 1: it because a bunch of people we like are.
Speaker 2: In butter Scotch behavior. Boom off the stage. I love it.
Speaker 2: I loved it. There's a lot of movie lynn context. Also,
Speaker 2: it's bonsering.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. But it's not a great movie, thank you.
Speaker 4: And that's fine, that's okay. That's kind of how it
Speaker 4: is with the Tyler Perry stuff.
Speaker 2: That's a good evil good who what's in his coffee?
Speaker 4: Myth?
Speaker 1: This is myth like behavior. This whole episode has been
Speaker 1: brought to you by.
Speaker 2: How dare you here?
Speaker 3: You text me an hour before the podcast and I
Speaker 3: brought my my sisterly love here to save the pod.
Speaker 3: And now you said, I'm on met brothers. Where's where brothers?
Speaker 2: It is? He has that it literally exists sides.
Speaker 1: Now that's the problem.
Speaker 4: You don't even know how thorough this man is. There's
Speaker 4: an auntie.
Speaker 2: I'm hurting.
Speaker 1: I'm hurting you have this man made all the stuff
Speaker 1: and you I heard being like, it's already it could
Speaker 1: be subjective, no.
Speaker 4: Stop, how it is him being the devil to me
Speaker 4: does come down to more than content or anything. I
Speaker 4: think it's the way that he runs the ship that's
Speaker 4: that is the thing that I think that regardless of
Speaker 4: whether or not you enjoy it or you don't enjoy it,
Speaker 4: that is the sinister read that we can all agree on, right,
Speaker 4: And that's the problem with Tyler.
Speaker 1: He's saving insane amounts of money it's fit to hoard
Speaker 1: for himself by not paying people what they're worth and
Speaker 1: not unionizing. And more than that, he then even saves
Speaker 1: more and more money by forcing people to work hours
Speaker 1: that are far beyond reason to stay sort of like
Speaker 1: insular inside of this fucking dome that it's It feels
Speaker 1: like we would be irresponsible to walk away from this
Speaker 1: episode and say that Tyler Perry is like a good guy.
Speaker 3: I just want to say, if we if Dave Langston
Speaker 3: and me die, we did not commit.
Speaker 2: We did not kill ourselves. We did on his podcast.
Speaker 1: If they find my body on Tyler Perry's studios, I
Speaker 1: did kill myself.
Speaker 4: Anywhere else?
Speaker 2: How is this show down?
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's paid attention.
Speaker 2: Because everybody.
Speaker 4: Going crazy were just saying.
Speaker 1: No, they've never listened to a single episode, mister James,
Speaker 1: iHeart is never plugged in the end phones. Well, I
Speaker 1: think we did it. I think we're I think we've
Speaker 1: concluded our all our positions on Tyler Perry, and they
Speaker 1: do seem vast and in a little diverse. We we
Speaker 1: have varying sort of scales of what we considered to
Speaker 1: be evil about him.
Speaker 2: Is that Yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 3: We said all this stuff, and it's like we in
Speaker 3: this industry do we want to work?
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, I got a good feeling, I'll be okay.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean our good brother here English teacher abbit.
Speaker 3: I mean you you like doings on ab before me,
Speaker 3: light skin, sweet, I don't know what we.
Speaker 4: Don't worry about.
Speaker 2: That's true. There leaving woman to find for herself, holding
Speaker 2: on his legs as he's trying.
Speaker 1: To leave the house.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm ready, tell me.
Speaker 1: Give her a call Sydney. Before you, before you go
Speaker 1: on down to the compound, will you tell us, uh,
Speaker 1: will you tell us some cool ship you got.
Speaker 3: Going on new, brand new podcast. Well it's remixed, but
Speaker 3: it's called mess. It's with me and your fabe Marie
Speaker 3: Foston on my Heart Big Money Players Network, and we
Speaker 3: just came out and I'm very excited to be a
Speaker 3: part of the family. And obviously I'm on Instagram. Please
Speaker 3: follow me. In order for me to get the promo
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Speaker 2: Need more follow so follow me.
Speaker 3: I think that's just did I should be doing something
Speaker 3: with hair or makeup or you know. If the lesbians
Speaker 3: follow this, I'm sure they don't, but if you do,
Speaker 3: please follow me.
Speaker 2: Just sid b W.
Speaker 4: We have some lesbians to come out.
Speaker 1: We've had a few.
Speaker 4: Three.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's always uh, it's a girl and then her her
Speaker 1: much more more masculine.
Speaker 2: Watch your mouth, friend, watch your.
Speaker 1: Mouth, masculine presenting girlfriend who who is less happy to
Speaker 1: be there. It's usually the Yeah, it's like a small
Speaker 1: girl with glasses and he was very nice, very nice,
Speaker 1: very excited, and then a masculine presenting lady behind the
Speaker 1: camera being like, y'all was y'all was cool.
Speaker 4: But I have seen a couple of times where it
Speaker 4: was a masculine lady and she put her small lady
Speaker 4: on oh nice, Oh yeah, I don't remember the shot
Speaker 4: to that couple in d C.
Speaker 2: So it's only so it's only one couple of show coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, usually do better.
Speaker 4: What can we do?
Speaker 2: What we talk about saved the podcast.
Speaker 3: I don't think you know, you understand they were looking
Speaker 3: for to be seen and that was me.
Speaker 1: Oh thank god, good job. Hell yeah, And uh, you
Speaker 1: can follow me at Langston Kerman and we're still on
Speaker 1: the start to Steal tour. We want you to come
Speaker 1: out to the next couple of shows.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: We We've got uh Seattle, We've got Portland. We and Okay,
Speaker 1: that's all the ones that I think we're probably gonna have.
Speaker 4: I think that's it should be all right.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, anyway, and if you want to send us
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