WEBVTT - Tyler Perry is the Devil!! (with Sydnee Washington) RE-RELEASE 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:05.080 Nicholas Cage has been been every version of a person 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.320 in Hollywood. He's been a joke, he's been a fraud, 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.280 he's been somebody we we treated like an idiot. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.000 But he's always been white. We haven't seen him switching. 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:25.520 We haven't seen like So I would like that. I 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:26.560 would like that quite a bit. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.720 I think Tyler Perry can make that happen. Nicholas Cage, 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:35.040 Tyler Perry, I think, and. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.920 I think together for evil. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:51.200 I think I think two we can make it happen anyway. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:01:02.000 Racist money, actually many turn stuff. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:09.679 I can't tell me, so I creep. Yeah, I just 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.679 keep it on the download because no one else is 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.640 supposed to know. Welcome to Mama's and gentiles alike to 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.680 another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.880 Me the podcast What We Died, deep deep into the 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.759 pockets of black conspiracy theories, and. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.800 We finally worked to prove that Andre three thousand has 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:35.200 lost a couple of those numbers is Andre twenty six 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.559 forty two? After that flute ship, my name is David 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:38.240 ford Man. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.399 I don't like hearing it, but I'm like stick German. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.840 Yeah, I think that I exaggerated the number of the 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.320 amount of numbers he lost. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:50.480 Because yeah, it's like it's like it's in like that twenty. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.320 Three eighty nine. He's good, he's yeah, and I just 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:55.520 don't like flutes. That's nice. 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.000 I think he's I think he's still only lost a 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:58.680 few points. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:00.440 But but it is you. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.640 You just want that rap album, baby. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.720 Yeah, someday, someday, I feel like a Trump presidency if 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:12.120 it pushes us to a new three thousand album. Finish 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:14.640 what I'm. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:22.320 Saying, finish your sentence four days, four days. And you're like, 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:23.440 this ain't so bad. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.440 Oh man, I've already resigned to it. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.679 Man, this man's not even in the Oval office again yet. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.960 And you're like, I will be all right, We'll call 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:32.280 the bright side. 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.160 We can't. We can't delete or dally anymore than we 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.440 already have. Our guest today is in studio with us. 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:46.040 She's phenomenal, a dear friend, an artist, a comedian, a 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:47.720 a a unit. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.040 To do it, but so much more. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.280 She she's a she's a dear friend. We're so happy 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:03.120 she's here. Give it up for Sydney washing to everybody. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.760 You know black man won an intro. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:13.960 I mean, no credits, just she's a person's funny. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:16.280 Thank you. I appreciate y'all. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:17.959 We love all vibes over here. 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:24.880 So I have So you don't like the fluke, I'm not. Uh, 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.119 you're not here for the flu. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.600 I don't have discerning a taste enough to understand how 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:30.040 good it is. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.480 I think, really, So that's a that's a that's a 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:33.960 you thing. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.520 That's what I said. It's you know, I'm not a 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.440 flu guy. It doesn't mean he's not expanded. 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:41.560 No, he's already expanded. Baby, he did it. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:50.120 So he left us, you know, And I'm hurt, and 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:55.040 I'm just a bitter a yeah. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.880 A bitter ax. He's doing better than you, babe. He's 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:57.480 working hard. 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.880 The way you're going hard for this suggests to me 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:01.960 that you did like the flute album that. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:08.560 You But it's all about elevation. You have to elevate. 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.240 You have to be a taste maker. You can't be 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.880 doing what everybody else is doing because they're doing it. 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:13.600 You understand. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:18.359 If if everybody is on the train rapping for dollar bills, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.560 Andre is like, no, no, no, I don't want to 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.000 be associated without flutes. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:23.359 I don't see flutes everywhere. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:30.000 It implies that he's not competitive liked he's still rapping 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.719 better than all the people for dollars. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.960 We've moved on. We've done you moved on. Yes, I 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.159 don't like it because I don't have your ear for it. 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:40.400 That's what I said. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.000 You know what, I just Christopher Columbus, your whole ship. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.960 How does it feel feel a white man? 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:57.320 Yes, my shirt doesn't mean there's one in my world? 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.919 Why did you direct that? A means I was fired? 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:06.760 Was yere to dismantle this brotherhood? 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:08.240 And it's working. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.839 In and of itself? What were united? We got pictures 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.400 on our shirt, stronger than we've ever been. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.880 It hurts to see this like you Obviously, y'all are 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.719 really good at whatever you're doing, and. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.359 I have to support it. So I think. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.200 I think by whatever you're doing you mean talking to 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:34.640 niggas at the mall. Excuse me, man, you think you 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.800 could pull this off and he could shut out? 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.960 It looks good Je Romero and them all. I don't 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:41.679 know the name. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.440 Of how much it cost enough. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.479 This don't come cheap, sweetheart. You're gonna want that podcast 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.160 to get at least a few more episodes than clearly, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.040 if I want to start buying shirts. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.400 I'm a bill Will Ferrell for this. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.320 This is absolutely invoice andre As Well. 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.000 It feels like you were on my side and then 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.240 I lost it for a little bit. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:12.040 Okay, we enough, a goddamn enough. We have a conspiracy 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.320 that you brought. You brought to us. Uh no more 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.040 than than two hours ago. You said I have a conspiracy. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.240 This is something I believe passionately. And we broadened that 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.800 conspiracy a little just to be able to open this 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.360 conversation up. But you said, my mama told. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:33.000 Me Tyler Perry is the devil. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:41.160 Absolutely, and specifically Cecily Tyson died to get out of 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:42.360 her contract with him. 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.520 Wow, the new death row. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:59.400 Okay, if you don't want me all addressed, hidden people 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.200 with your Yeah, that has a gun in it. 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.120 Listen, niggas down the stairs and they wheel chair. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.560 Got Janet Jackson in a curly, wet and wavy crying. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.200 That a good cry though about her husband on the 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:20.840 down load. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.760 So you're doing but that is another movie, that's all. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:25.160 That's not. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.640 Janet did multiple that's. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:32.400 For that was for Colored Girls that I considered suicide. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.840 That's but she did multiple Yes, Yeah, all the. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:40.080 Day I think, why did I get married? 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.800 Well, I knew she did multiple. Why did I get married? 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.880 I didn't know that. She then also extended into like 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:47.960 the multi verse of Tyler Perry. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.040 Yes, that's you know what I mean. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:51.600 I think that's how you do it. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.080 That's how you do You don't just do. If you 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.800 do one thing, you're bad. That means you're not useful. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:59.320 You can't. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.680 But some people sober up to it to some extent, 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.360 Like Taraji did one. She's not going back to talk. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:07.880 Did you do more than one? Was it? Just like 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:08.960 I can do bad all by I. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:10.280 Think she only did that. I can do bad, but 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.400 all by myself. I could be wrong. But even if 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.760 she did Idris it's another example. Yeah, I fucked around 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.400 over here for a second, but I'm not. 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.560 Do Daddy's Little Girl. Yeah, that wasn't That wasn't terrible. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.520 That was The issue is not the quality of the movie. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:26.800 Some of them I really like. 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.880 Really, that's it's not the quality. Yeah, I already I'm 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:31.920 gonna already say. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:37.280 I consume some of those movies like junk Food. It's 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:41.240 just like it's not there's no yeah yeah yeah, in 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.680 small doses though, it feels good, you know what I mean, 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.280 Like it's just like there's no major problems. It's just 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.600 rich black people running around. Oh that's interesting. That's like 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:53.240 I like that. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:53.520 You. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.760 I'm cool with. You don't see them in the comedies, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.599 not in the ones where it's like but you. You 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.240 don't see them in any way. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.640 Like morally corrupt or sort of like harmful. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.280 The characters within the movie. Yeah, not more so than 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.319 like I see anybody in any other movie, Like I 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:14.840 don't are. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.880 You Are you? Are you all the way awake when 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:17.400 you're watching this? 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:19.280 Yeah? 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:20.600 Are you conscious? 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.720 It's like it's like, yeah, it's like, if you're feeling down, 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:25.920 you just watch like a funny, happy movie. 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.640 If you're feeling down, you put on Tyler Perry. 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:30.599 There's a couple of movies. Yeah, there's a couple of 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.280 movies Watch. 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.480 Do You Have a Therapist? In between? 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:36.559 It's a movie. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.000 Silent Perry Perry. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:51.040 He says, Hello, I'm just saying it's a big there's 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.400 a big market for it. The reason I think He's 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:57.200 the Devil is not the actual movie. WHOA, Okay, I 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:02.320 think it's the U the labor practices to really kind 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:07.120 of get to me, okay, like not being union and 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.760 stuff like that in an industry where like the standard 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.160 is to work unions, so it's like you're already putting 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.600 the people work with you like a little bit of 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.640 a disadvantage, right, And then it's like so it's like 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.440 you build this thing that is massive and does give 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.400 a lot of jobs, and that's very important, but you 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.080 make it so that these people are tied to you 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:35.040 in a way. Yeah, if you were getting if you 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.000 were allowing people to bounce over here and here and 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.480 here and get money and that was cool, then it 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.400 makes sense. But now it feels like if you're keeping 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.400 a stable it feels like you're not allowing people to grow. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:52.680 I know a few barbers who have like dipped in 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.240 and out of like the Tyler Perry space, and all 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.600 of them sort of like in a weird way, it 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.160 gets sort of like, uh, like, no, I'm not going 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.560 back over there or over there. I gotta really be 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.760 down to be over there, because that's you. You're working 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.679 crazy hours, you're sort of being manipulated in this space. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.559 And then I think they're they're expecting a commitment that 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.439 you can't like back out of easy, you. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.559 Know, because it's like again, it's that thing about like exposure. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.720 You're like, well, I'm in this, so this is actually 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.319 going to help me. And then after a couple of 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.040 rounds of it, you're like, wait, I'm still a bartender. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.400 Yeah, I mean I'm a well known bar. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.400 People know me, but I still have to bartend on 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:40.720 the side because I can't. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:42.960 I can't make everything ends me. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.560 I also think where it gets complicated is to your point, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.079 the stink that it puts on you once you do 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.760 become a little bit of a Tyler Perry person, you. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:53.120 Know what I mean? 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.439 Like, did we see maximum Allen Payne potential? 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:02.760 Wow? This is you? You was just the third time, 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.600 second time we talked about Alan paid the week. You 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:07.120 know what I mean? 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.719 You mean you mean Jason's lyric, the Alan Paine. He 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.000 was a great He was in everything. 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.760 He was everything. 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:22.400 Yeah, he was in every six he was making. He 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:27.360 was lot that curl pattern. We don't see that kind 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:28.240 of curl pattern, and. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.280 It was he was. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.800 He was a clearly black man with a natural curl. 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:37.160 This nigga had it all. 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.200 You would have I would have bet the house. Yeah, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:41.080 I would have bet the house. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.800 And he and he sunk his fucking ship over there. 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.959 What happened. Do you know what I mean, give us 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.959 back Alan Payne, Tyler Perry or what. 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.080 Oh wait was it was it Tyler Perry? 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.400 Or that it was just like Alan Payne had got 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.160 type cast so many times were like we didn't seen 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:02.840 this song and dance. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.560 But that is a difficult thing, right if you get 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.240 typecast that much. Yeah, but you don't grow to a 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.440 level where it's unanimous that people know you're that you 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.679 kind of can't work in that forever. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.000 But I'll challenge you all. I will challenge you on 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.679 this because because on the flip look at bokem woodbind 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.400 who came who went through it had like this heightened 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.440 moment where he was sort of typecast as this like 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.520 crazy eyed villain and ship, but then took a break 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.280 and came back, came back chubby and now has had 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.120 a whole new career. Do you know what I mean? 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:47.360 As older he was, he did Fargo, which was amazing. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.720 Yeah, they said, and they said that was the best 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:51.520 part of the movie. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.280 Listen, bokem Woodbine is the best. But he never went 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.360 over there. And That's what I'm saying is that maybe 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.400 there's a world where Alan Payne finds his true detective moment. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.360 We got to put him in the A twenty four. 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.520 I think some people, or once you get in mainstream, 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.199 you have that opportunity to do all things like bad 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.960 good things that you're like, why are you even a 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.760 part of this? But certain specifically black people, once you 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.160 get into that little corner, that's it. 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:26.800 That's all you have. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:33.320 Like Glenn Close, she was in Deliverance. I'm coughing because 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.960 I can't even catch I can't even breathe. The work 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.800 that she did in that movie one, I was like, Oh, 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:40.960 She's like, I've done everything that I need to do. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:46.960 I have ascended to the point of let's play, let's 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:47.480 have fun. 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.360 She's like, I'll learn some patois. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:54.440 Yeah, now now the wigs. The wigs were not by 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.920 Tyler Perry in that movie. Glenn Close almost was like, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.680 is she by Rachel? She was giving Rachel jose All 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:06.040 a run for her funness? I'm gonna say that on air. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.760 As somebody who has not seen the movie, I assure 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:09.560 you she is not. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:10.800 She is. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.040 I looked at all them clips y'all were posting, and 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.360 I was sober when I you know what I mean. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:16.920 Like y'all were. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.320 Y'all were enthralled, so you were bought into the whole 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.720 experience as somebody who did not experience it. I was like, 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.560 this looks insane. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:30.400 No, she said nappy pussy on in the movie, and 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.880 I said, We're gone. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:35.880 She's gone, She's like, but they were. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.960 Every everybody black was like, she's got to win a 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.200 Golden Globe for this. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.480 And everybody white was like, what are you talking? 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:45.800 Is she unwell? 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:46.880 Is her? 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.360 Where is he? Is it the braids? Is it the braids? 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.880 That's what the white people were saying with Glenn. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.880 But Glenn has done it all. She has proven herself, 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.160 so she can do it. But once you get into 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.720 the I feel like Tyler Perry Rome, it's kind of 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:03.240 wrapped up. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.760 And I think that's the scary part, right is that? 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:06.360 Is that? 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.200 Even that movie? I don't it's not a Tyler Perry production. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.680 It's Lee Daniels, which is the cousin the cousin of 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:12.320 Tyler Perry. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.000 I think there, I think, and I don't disagree with you. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.800 I think Lee Daniels is certainly Tyler Perry junior. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.280 Yes, he would love to. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.320 Be Tyler Perry in some former fashion that said, I 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.680 think Lee Daniels still they let Lee Daniels do too much, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.040 you know what I mean, in the legitimate spaces where 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.240 they gave him oscars and nominations. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.640 And he is first of all. We have to no, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.680 let's not be anti black. These brothers have done. 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:40.200 Some good work. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.080 There have been some things, I know, Dave, I'm sorry 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.520 they have done. Really, they've been some pieces where you're like, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:47.520 you know what this is? 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.600 Give me uh and maybe we should take the break. 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.320 This is a good way for us to go on break. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.880 I think this will be fun. When we come back. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.680 We're gonna unpack some projects that we think are defendable 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:05.560 for Tyler Perry and or Lee Daniels. We'll talk through 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.000 the ones that we think are truly defendable, and we'll 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.439 talk about why. But we'll come back and we'll be 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.120 back with more Sydney Washington and more. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:24.920 Ma Mama told me we are back discussing our favorite 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.439 Tyler Perry movies. Oh god, I don't know that that 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.720 was the assignment at all. Had to tweak it because 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.400 your parameters weren't working. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.879 Okay, I think what it should be is more this question. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:45.000 If we're talking about these figures as evil rights, as 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:50.399 sort of spawn of Satans, as is sort of implied here. 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:55.440 I think we should be careful to remind ourselves which 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:00.800 pieces at least hold some value for the greater good society, 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.320 that it's less about whether or not that we like them, 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.080 and more do they actually benefit the larger world around us? 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:15.480 And I'm gonna go first, Yeah, so precious that Okaylee Daniels. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.000 That was probably the most controversial. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:19.600 And that's Tyler Perry production. 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:26.240 Everybody was revolved, they had everybody, they had there. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.560 Carrie showed up movie. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.159 I watch it and I say, yes, this definitely gives 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:34.680 sun Dance this gift. 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:35.680 It's indie. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.560 Yes, this is like it's it feels like low budget 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.120 but in such an artistic way that I'm like, I 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:43.160 can appreciate this. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.280 Now. The masses, the. 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:51.840 Masses watching this, this this story from the book Push. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:55.159 It was It was hard. It was so hard. And 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.320 that and Monique playing that. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.440 Mother so well to the point where like, do like Monique? 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:02.720 Do we like her? 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.280 I almost think that people weren't on her side because 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.840 they almost thought you are that mother that was in 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:10.280 you were touching. 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:15.720 Your daughter like that. That's how That's how controversial the 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:16.240 movie was. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.840 That everybody was playing the role so well that you're like, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:25.399 this might be their real lives. Riah carry Riah carry 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.679 rough Draft, Mariah Carey. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.119 That was alarming. It was alarming. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:35.120 And they threw on the beauty supply wig and they said, go, yeah, 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.080 a little bit of concealer. 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.280 But she was great, incredible. 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.520 I love this as an answer because I similarly felt 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.760 all of those things in seeing the film in theaters. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:50.160 You went in theater theater and I had my sisters 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.080 with me. I swear to God, because I was like, 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.120 this is gonna be like a beautiful film of empowerment 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.280 for for them to see, like this big girl who 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.080 overcomes and like figures out a way to move forward. 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:10.680 You didn't read the book and truly was just haunted 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.359 by the experience, And so I asked this because I 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.080 agree with you. I felt all those things. But how 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:22.360 much of that was just a weird stacking of awful 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.400 on top of awful and not really a human experience 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:27.480 to make us better? 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:33.199 Well, t I had a friend in it, Zosha, and 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:33.840 I think this. 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:35.919 Was her first big role. She killed it. 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:42.280 I was like, so there, I'm being honest, I'm there supporting, 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.360 I enjoy, right, But then. 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.280 It is somebody's story, so should we not? 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:55.680 But it's not somebody's story that, you know what I mean? 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.520 Like parts of this are somebody's story. The experience of 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.360 abuse is somebody's story. The experience of you know, being 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.840 overweight and like the challenges of being poor is somebody's story. 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.760 The experience of getting AIDS is somebody's story. But all 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.320 of those combined into this single person, you know what 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.520 I mean, Like it was just this shit. 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:21.040 You don't think all that stuff can happen. Yes, I'm sure. 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.680 This is somebody's story. If you're listening and this is 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:24.879 your story, I need you. 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.720 If if you're listening and this is your story, please 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:39.480 stop listening to this. Go seek help now, because you 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.879 have so much going on that you don't have time 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.760 to dilly or dally with podcasts. Truly, this is that's 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.919 She was pregnant and didn't know she was pregnant. She 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.080 was being assaulted by her mama and or daddy. She 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.199 was Mariah Carey was trying to or was trying to 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.960 save her, but then they had Yes, Yes. 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.639 I be on TikTok all day all night, that is 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.920 somebody's story. The way people be just diarrhea of the mouth, 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.320 just telling their business, they mama business, they cousin's cousins, 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.440 and bad after bad after bad. I mean, I don't 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.240 even turn on the TV no more because people are 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.000 telling us our problems. 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:24.600 I guess, I guess less than me saying it's impossible 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.280