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Speaker 1: he's been somebody we we treated like an idiot.

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Speaker 2: But he's always been white. We haven't seen him switching.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen like So I would like that. I

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Speaker 3: I think Tyler Perry can make that happen. Nicholas Cage,

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Speaker 3: Tyler Perry, I think, and.

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Speaker 4: I think together for evil.

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Speaker 3: I think I think two we can make it happen anyway.

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Speaker 1: Racist money, actually many turn stuff.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell me, so I creep. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 4: keep it on the download because no one else is

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Speaker 4: supposed to know. Welcome to Mama's and gentiles alike to

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Speaker 4: another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told.

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Speaker 1: Me the podcast What We Died, deep deep into the

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Speaker 1: pockets of black conspiracy theories, and.

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Speaker 4: We finally worked to prove that Andre three thousand has

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Speaker 4: lost a couple of those numbers is Andre twenty six

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Speaker 4: forty two? After that flute ship, my name is David

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Speaker 4: ford Man.

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Speaker 1: I don't like hearing it, but I'm like stick German.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that I exaggerated the number of the

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Speaker 4: amount of numbers he lost.

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Speaker 1: Because yeah, it's like it's like it's in like that twenty.

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Speaker 4: Three eighty nine. He's good, he's yeah, and I just

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Speaker 4: don't like flutes. That's nice.

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Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's still only lost a

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Speaker 4: But but it is you.

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Speaker 1: You just want that rap album, baby.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, someday, someday, I feel like a Trump presidency if

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Speaker 4: it pushes us to a new three thousand album. Finish

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Speaker 4: what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Saying, finish your sentence four days, four days. And you're like,

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Speaker 4: Oh man, I've already resigned to it.

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Speaker 1: Man, this man's not even in the Oval office again yet.

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Speaker 4: And you're like, I will be all right, We'll call

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Speaker 1: We can't. We can't delete or dally anymore than we

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Speaker 1: already have. Our guest today is in studio with us.

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Speaker 1: She's phenomenal, a dear friend, an artist, a comedian, a

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Speaker 2: To do it, but so much more.

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Speaker 1: She she's a she's a dear friend. We're so happy

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Speaker 1: she's here. Give it up for Sydney washing to everybody.

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Speaker 2: You know black man won an intro.

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Speaker 3: I mean, no credits, just she's a person's funny.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 1: We love all vibes over here.

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Speaker 2: So I have So you don't like the fluke, I'm not. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you're not here for the flu.

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Speaker 4: I don't have discerning a taste enough to understand how

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Speaker 2: I think, really, So that's a that's a that's a

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Speaker 4: That's what I said. It's you know, I'm not a

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Speaker 2: No, he's already expanded. Baby, he did it.

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Speaker 4: So he left us, you know, And I'm hurt, and

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Speaker 4: I'm just a bitter a yeah.

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Speaker 2: A bitter ax. He's doing better than you, babe. He's

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Speaker 1: The way you're going hard for this suggests to me

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Speaker 3: You But it's all about elevation. You have to elevate.

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Speaker 3: You have to be a taste maker. You can't be

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Speaker 3: doing what everybody else is doing because they're doing it.

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Speaker 3: If if everybody is on the train rapping for dollar bills,

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Speaker 2: I don't see flutes everywhere.

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Speaker 4: It implies that he's not competitive liked he's still rapping

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Speaker 2: We've moved on. We've done you moved on. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: don't like it because I don't have your ear for it.

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Speaker 4: That's what I said.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I just Christopher Columbus, your whole ship.

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Speaker 2: How does it feel feel a white man?

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Speaker 4: Yes, my shirt doesn't mean there's one in my world?

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Speaker 4: Why did you direct that? A means I was fired?

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Speaker 2: Was yere to dismantle this brotherhood?

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Speaker 1: And it's working.

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Speaker 4: In and of itself? What were united? We got pictures

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Speaker 4: on our shirt, stronger than we've ever been.

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Speaker 3: It hurts to see this like you Obviously, y'all are

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Speaker 2: I have to support it. So I think.

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Speaker 1: I think by whatever you're doing you mean talking to

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Speaker 1: niggas at the mall. Excuse me, man, you think you

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Speaker 4: It looks good Je Romero and them all. I don't

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Speaker 4: know the name.

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Speaker 2: Of how much it cost enough.

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Speaker 1: This don't come cheap, sweetheart. You're gonna want that podcast

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Speaker 1: to get at least a few more episodes than clearly,

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Speaker 4: I'm a bill Will Ferrell for this.

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Speaker 2: This is absolutely invoice andre As Well.

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Speaker 4: It feels like you were on my side and then

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Speaker 4: I lost it for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we enough, a goddamn enough. We have a conspiracy

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Speaker 1: that you brought. You brought to us. Uh no more

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Speaker 1: than than two hours ago. You said I have a conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: This is something I believe passionately. And we broadened that

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Speaker 1: conspiracy a little just to be able to open this

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Speaker 2: Me Tyler Perry is the devil.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and specifically Cecily Tyson died to get out of

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Speaker 3: her contract with him.

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Speaker 2: Wow, the new death row.

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Speaker 5: Okay, if you don't want me all addressed, hidden people

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Speaker 5: with your Yeah, that has a gun in it.

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Speaker 1: Listen, niggas down the stairs and they wheel chair.

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Speaker 3: Got Janet Jackson in a curly, wet and wavy crying.

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Speaker 2: So you're doing but that is another movie, that's all.

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Speaker 2: That's not.

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Speaker 1: Janet did multiple that's.

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Speaker 2: For that was for Colored Girls that I considered suicide.

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Speaker 1: That's but she did multiple Yes, Yeah, all the.

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Speaker 2: Day I think, why did I get married?

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Speaker 1: Well, I knew she did multiple. Why did I get married?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I think that's how you do it.

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Speaker 3: That's how you do You don't just do. If you

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Speaker 2: You can't.

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Speaker 1: But some people sober up to it to some extent,

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Speaker 4: Did you do more than one? Was it? Just like

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Speaker 4: I can do bad all by I.

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Speaker 1: Think she only did that. I can do bad, but

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Speaker 1: she did Idris it's another example. Yeah, I fucked around

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Speaker 3: Do Daddy's Little Girl. Yeah, that wasn't That wasn't terrible.

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Speaker 4: That was The issue is not the quality of the movie.

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Speaker 3: Really, that's it's not the quality. Yeah, I already I'm

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Speaker 4: I consume some of those movies like junk Food. It's

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 4: I'm cool with. You don't see them in the comedies,

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Speaker 1: Like morally corrupt or sort of like harmful.

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Speaker 4: The characters within the movie. Yeah, not more so than

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Speaker 2: You Are you? Are you all the way awake when

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Are you conscious?

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Speaker 4: It's like it's like, yeah, it's like, if you're feeling down,

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Speaker 2: If you're feeling down, you put on Tyler Perry.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of movies. Yeah, there's a couple of

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Speaker 2: Do You Have a Therapist? In between?

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Speaker 4: It's a movie.

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Speaker 2: Silent Perry Perry.

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Speaker 4: He says, Hello, I'm just saying it's a big there's

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Speaker 1: I know a few barbers who have like dipped in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm a well known bar.

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Speaker 3: People know me, but I still have to bartend on

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Speaker 2: I can't make everything ends me.

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Speaker 1: I also think where it gets complicated is to your point,

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Speaker 4: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like, did we see maximum Allen Payne potential?

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Speaker 4: He was everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in every six he was making. He

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now now the wigs. The wigs were not by

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Speaker 1: And everybody white was like, what are you talking?

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Speaker 2: Where is he? Is it the braids? Is it the braids?

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Speaker 3: But Glenn has done it all. She has proven herself,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the scary part, right is that?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Even that movie? I don't it's not a Tyler Perry production.

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Speaker 2: It's Lee Daniels, which is the cousin the cousin of

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Speaker 1: I think Lee Daniels is certainly Tyler Perry junior.

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Speaker 3: And he is first of all. We have to no,

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Speaker 3: let's not be anti black. These brothers have done.

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Speaker 2: Some good work.

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Speaker 3: There have been some things, I know, Dave, I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: Give me uh and maybe we should take the break.

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Speaker 1: This is a good way for us to go on break.

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Speaker 1: I think this will be fun. When we come back.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna unpack some projects that we think are defendable

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Speaker 1: for Tyler Perry and or Lee Daniels. We'll talk through

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Speaker 4: Ma Mama told me we are back discussing our favorite

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Speaker 4: Tyler Perry movies. Oh god, I don't know that that

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think what it should be is more this question.

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Speaker 1: I think we should be careful to remind ourselves which

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Speaker 1: that it's less about whether or not that we like them,

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna go first, Yeah, so precious that Okaylee Daniels.

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Speaker 2: That was probably the most controversial.

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Speaker 1: And that's Tyler Perry production.

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Speaker 3: Everybody was revolved, they had everybody, they had there.

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Speaker 1: Carrie showed up movie.

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Speaker 3: I watch it and I say, yes, this definitely gives

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Speaker 2: It's indie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is like it's it feels like low budget

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Speaker 2: Now. The masses, the.

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Speaker 3: Masses watching this, this this story from the book Push.

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Speaker 2: It was It was hard. It was so hard. And

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Speaker 3: Mother so well to the point where like, do like Monique?

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Speaker 2: Do we like her?

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Speaker 3: I almost think that people weren't on her side because

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Speaker 3: they almost thought you are that mother that was in

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Speaker 2: Your daughter like that. That's how That's how controversial the

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Speaker 3: That everybody was playing the role so well that you're like,

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Speaker 2: That was alarming. It was alarming.

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Speaker 3: And they threw on the beauty supply wig and they said, go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But she was great, incredible.

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Speaker 1: I love this as an answer because I similarly felt

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Speaker 3: Well, t I had a friend in it, Zosha, and

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Speaker 3: I was like, so there, I'm being honest, I'm there supporting,

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Speaker 2: It is somebody's story, so should we not?

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Speaker 1: But it's not somebody's story that, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like parts of this are somebody's story. The experience of

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Speaker 3: This is somebody's story. If you're listening and this is

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Speaker 1: If if you're listening and this is your story, please

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Speaker 3: I be on TikTok all day all night, that is

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Speaker 1: I guess, I guess less than me saying it's impossible

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Speaker 1: It doesn't belong to black people. It doesn't belong to

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about Monsters Ball?

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Speaker 1: WHOA?

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Speaker 2: What about that Holly.

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Speaker 3: Berry won it won, that won that award, won that

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Speaker 1: And this movie, it's worth noting Monsters Ball, you said,

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Speaker 3: I mean she is getting banged out by Billy Bob Thornton.

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Speaker 2: Did He's in it? He's in it.

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Speaker 1: It's actually, I think one of his first serious roles,

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Speaker 2: Honestly, he ate he ate he was in jail.

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Speaker 2: He was on death row. Baby. The way the art work,

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Speaker 4: He was on death row.

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Speaker 1: And they never told us why either.

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Speaker 2: He did not know. They're just like, yeah, he.

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Speaker 1: He was acting up the leg it wa'.

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Speaker 2: Let was in it. Amazing.

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Speaker 3: Wow, alright, p shout out to him. I'm a him

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 2: Some people like to speak ill of the dead, not me.

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Speaker 1: Sydney came on here and so far his only defended

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Speaker 4: But yo, whoa.

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Speaker 2: Cameras dead ass?

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Speaker 3: Couldn't be like, no, sare you? You've been dragging Bax

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Speaker 2: Dark skinned mind you, that's my style.

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Speaker 1: You, on the other hand, are selling your people out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I I enjoyed the rawness of it again,

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Speaker 3: Like if this was like an eight twenty four production,

449
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: we'd be like, yeah.

450
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: Well, I think it did get all the love, right.

451
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: It's another example of one I think it won. Well,

452
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: she won the Oscar for it, certainly. I think it's

453
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Speaker 1: just like a lot of films where we sober up

454
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Speaker 1: to what the fuck we watched three years ago?

455
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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean saying it won then,

456
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: but it wouldn't It wouldn't hold up right now.

457
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: Crash won the Oscar for Best Picture and is now

458
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Speaker 1: like people laugh at the idea that Crash was now.

459
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: I didn't like the invisible cloak. He tried to cheat me.

460
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Speaker 4: You don't.

461
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, hold up, they're dragging Crash.

462
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

463
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: The people don't like Crashing. Come because it starred Ludacris, that.

464
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: He was in Fast Furious.

465
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 4: They loved that, guys.

466
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Luda didn't do a fine job.

467
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Speaker 1: I'm saying that you don't give a Ludacris film best picture.

468
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: Then Tate was in it.

469
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: They had everybody your name Mama and Crash talking about

470
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Speaker 3: Sandra Bullock. Yeah, the patient queen, you know who, Samuel Bullock, you.

471
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: Know, the only other type of movie that does movies

472
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Speaker 1: like that where everybody's in it is like them shitty

473
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: movies where it's like Valentine's dad.

474
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Speaker 4: Came.

475
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: Ryan Philippe was in it. Yeah, it was too many.

476
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: Big names for you to be managing a good story,

477
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: so then you just play.

478
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 3: It was like in a in a cheesy way, they

479
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: were making their points. Yeah, but then we found out

480
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: that people who wrote it were white. So that's what

481
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 3: that's what fucked us up. That's what it was, which.

482
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Speaker 4: Is why you pick lud and then you look at

483
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Speaker 4: it as a whole. Yeah, it did just that, No,

484
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: just what you thought they would do.

485
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So so Monsters Ball is a defendable for you.

486
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: Precious is a defendable.

487
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Speaker 2: For I wasn't.

488
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: I wasn't mad at the movie Holly Berry winning the

489
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: Oscar for it. I was like, damn, why we gotta

490
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: be down and out to win? But they do that

491
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: for everybody either you got it.

492
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: What's her name? Charlista ron? She she had to get

493
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: ugly and murder niggas, like you know.

494
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Speaker 1: I think the only difference is they can also escape

495
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: through like musicals.

496
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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? That?

497
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: Like Chicago? What's the la one that they no no no.

498
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: Although A Star is Born is another good example. It's

499
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Speaker 1: not quite it is a musical to some extent, but

500
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: the one where they're la la land uh. Those they

501
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: can be joyful, they can be not like look like shit.

502
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: And when Leonardo DiCaprio was in Everything, they didn't give

503
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: him that award until he got raped by bear.

504
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 2: So you know what, maybe the Academy is just doing

505
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: everybody wrong. Actually it's one for one.

506
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 4: It's like that.

507
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: That's what you think happened with that bear.

508
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: That's what I saw what it looks.

509
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: Am I wrong? When they said when they said would

510
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Speaker 3: you rather be trapped in the forest with a bear

511
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Speaker 3: or a man?

512
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, which bear?

513
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 3: Because I bear in the movie with you.

514
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 4: He's gonna take it.

515
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: That bear got him. I remember just learning what the

516
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: premise of that movie was and thinking, damn, this is

517
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Speaker 1: give this man the award, and.

518
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: They did, and they did.

519
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Speaker 3: He I think he he read the script and said,

520
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: you know what, it's time.

521
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: It's time.

522
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: Now I got a lock in. He said, Goro to

523
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: death in Titanic, right, this is a different it's a

524
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: different type of death.

525
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: I'm not dying I'm not dying, I'm living Jack Jack.

526
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Speaker 1: Her sweet voice.

527
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Speaker 4: Okay, here's what I said. Okay, here we go, and

528
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: looking at the full Tyler Perry filmography.

529
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Speaker 1: Well okay, and it's worth noting she only defended Lee, didn't. Yeah,

530
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: she brought nothing to the table for Tyler. Tyler so

531
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Speaker 1: far as indefensible for you?

532
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: Is that true?

533
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: Why did I get married? I fucked with that heavy.

534
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: I thought that was valid and into.

535
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: And mah two.

536
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know if we need this, but

537
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: I heard it was doing a Why Why did I

538
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: get married?

539
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: Three? And that's why Sisily was like.

540
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 4: And then she died.

541
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Speaker 3: Oh.

542
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: She was like, I'm tired.

543
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: Because Tyler said I paid Cecily a million dollars for

544
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: one day of work, and she was like, wait, why

545
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: are you telling them about my business? Because he was

546
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: trying to let her know, Hey, you're gonna have to

547
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: work some other day.

548
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: We got more and we got for you.

549
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: That million was an advance. Yeah, you got work to do.

550
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: I dad, throw we gotta shoot season forty of Sisters?

551
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: Who are we going to hell? But Tyler, it's only

552
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: been out three years? Olena, how wish he was back? Yeah?

553
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: I think that, uh, I'll take why did I get married?

554
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 4: Just in the idea of just a romantic comedy. I

555
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: don't think it detracts anything from art or the conversation

556
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: or anything like that, Okay, because I do think that,

557
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: like when we're talking about him as a whole and

558
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: like his output, I don't think it needs to be

559
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: He doesn't have to be a twenty four to be

560
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 4: worthy of existing in the space, you know what I mean?

561
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's always been my issue with it, right,

562
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: is it's not that I'm expecting him to be.

563
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 4: And we're he isn't even the right word. I just mean, like,

564
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be bad that style. But I

565
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: guess that's my point is I don't need it to

566
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: be some high art. I just needed to hold itself

567
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 4: to some standard.

568
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

569
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: That?

570
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: Like Adam Sandler movies. I don't like all of them.

571
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't like honestly most of them, but every single

572
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: one of them, I go, Oh, Adam really thought this

573
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: was funny, do you know what I mean? He really

574
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: believed in like whatever this configuration of funny people and

575
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: jokes was, and he put it out believing that it

576
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: was going to serve an audience, whereas like Tyler, I

577
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: don't think gives a fuck, but it does.

578
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: Degrees in what he does. No, I don't. I don't

579
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: mean that. Some of the stuff is like definitely just

580
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: put together and rushed out. But some of them you

581
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: could tell. It's like he wanted this to be a

582
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 4: good film, right, Like he wanted to yeah, and it

583
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 4: served his audience.

584
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that that that's the violence, is to

585
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: put out the rush shit knowing you had more potential

586
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: for a quality film even as you see it, right, like,

587
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: even if it's not objectively quality, you knew, like, all

588
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: right when I put this out, I stand on that.

589
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: If what if Tyler Perry is ahead of the curve

590
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: and he said, these audiences they're pretty bad, So what

591
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: are we spending.

592
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: Years together and throw it out there. They don't watch it.

593
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna pay money, they're gonna go.

594
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: Well, you look at it that way, and honestly, Genie, right,

595
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 4: if you look at it that way, well.

596
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: It's just like comedians right now, stand up comedians posting clips.

597
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: You're like, that joke's not done, that needs some tags. Whatever.

598
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: It's like, what are we waiting for put it And

599
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: sometimes the stuff that's the most unfinished gets the most

600
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: viral moments. So that Tyler Perry is, oh.

601
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Speaker 1: Want to know you want to stand up while you

602
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: say it, let's go with your hand on your heart?

603
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: What the fuck is about that? Stand up?

604
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 3: Comedians took a note from Tyler Perry and they say

605
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: put it out.

606
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: But I think that's what where I start to go, like, yeah,

607
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: but that is a greater destruction of the world, right, yes,

608
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: because I do think the deterioration of art is like

609
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: a fundamental reflection of like what's happening in the larger

610
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: world around.

611
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: Us doesn't necessarily mean good.

612
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: Still, No, he's an innovator for sure, Like he really

613
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: broke ground on some vile, vile ship.

614
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: Like yeah, and that's.

615
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: Yet what we know how it's done. You're like, oh, sir,

616
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: how much? Tell me what the prescription is.

617
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: But but even even the idea that you have, like

618
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Speaker 1: all these shoots happening constantly on this large property that

619
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Speaker 1: you're not doing multiple takes on that you're not even

620
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: fucking like you know, you're not there, Sidney, what.

621
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Speaker 2: Do we what game are we playing? I just want

622
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: to hear a fact.

623
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: That's the whole boy.

624
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not allowed to see it because they're doing

625
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: crazy ship with these these people whose lives that will

626
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: never come.

627
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: Back, these people, black people. Don't you say, these people.

628
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: These dumb dumbs trapped in a cave.

629
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Speaker 2: I can't now. Your hairline is nice.

630
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: Don't push you back, Alan fucking Pain.

631
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: You don't mean if you If you love Alan so much,

632
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 3: I want you to get his tattoo, Get a tattoo,

633
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: Alan Allen.

634
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: I just miss him.

635
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: He's alive. Is he find him on Instagram?

636
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: I bet he got a different instrugra.

637
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: He said that Pain fucked him up.

638
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: I bet it's at Alan Tyler Payne dot.

639
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: There was a there was a new movie recently, not recently,

640
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: but like earlier this year that Tyler Perry made with

641
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Speaker 3: Kelly Rowland Mia Coppola.

642
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: And I watched it. Yeah, I watched it. Was it terrible?

643
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 4: No?

644
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: Was it amazing?

645
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: No?

646
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: But I enjoyed it.

647
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, and that sometimes we just need something

648
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: that we could put our eyes on, take us out

649
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: of the moment.

650
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: But again, I think the point is less that he

651
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: can't do it. I don't think my suggestion is everything

652
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: he's ever made has been a violent violation Daddy's little girls.

653
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: I like, I was like, oh, that's cool.

654
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: It's not I'm not offended by this.

655
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: It just is you just you want to do things

656
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: that you want things made that and offend you.

657
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, i want there to be a standard

658
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: of quality so that we're not getting clips of a

659
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: dude getting punched in the face and spinning a full

660
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: three sixty and saying as he falls down. I'm saying

661
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: I want the I want a billionaire who owns literally

662
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: half of Atlanta to invest in quality wigs and that

663
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: not to be part of the conversation. I want to

664
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: explore the world beyond mister Brown.

665
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 2: Cant everything that he's saying right now.

666
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: I want a real story that you believe in every time,

667
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: because you have the resources and frankly, you present to

668
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: us to be this healer of our community. So put

669
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: the effort in to show us that love every single time.

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Speaker 3: So once you say once all that done is Tyler

671
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Speaker 3: Langston will be right on that motherfucking lot.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's trying to tell you. Get your money.

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Speaker 1: When buddy, when I run out, I'll come be a slave.

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Speaker 2: A part of it.

675
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: Slave away with me.

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00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: This is really just it's ending pro Tyler Perry, which

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Speaker 2: is that's how you know it.

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Speaker 1: No, I want to be clear. I'm I could not

679
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: be more anti Tyler Perry. You too are pro Tyler Perry.

680
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: For me, I am the exact opposite. I think he's

681
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Speaker 1: the worst.

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00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: I'm pro.

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Speaker 3: You know, we should be able to be as messy

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00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: and ridiculous and unprofessional as everybody else in his business,

685
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: and we're not. We're not allowed to and Tyler Perry

686
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 3: is doing that and so therefore.

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Speaker 2: But he's what he But it.

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00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: Also is like bad because, like you said, there's so

689
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Speaker 3: many people who are trapped in this circle of Perry production.

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Speaker 1: I just dream of a day when we don't have

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Speaker 1: to hold ourselves to the standard of the worst white person.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say white. Now you said white, Well it

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Speaker 2: was I said the industry. I said, I said the industry.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we are. You almost said Jewish.

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Speaker 4: With you.

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Speaker 2: I did not say that.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is we always have to do black excellence,

698
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: black excellence. We gotta have autocrests, we gotta we've got

699
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Speaker 3: to go to school for we have to be so

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00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: about this life and it's just like that's that's not

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Speaker 3: how art is made.

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Speaker 2: All the time. We didn't go to n y U,

703
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Speaker 2: we didn't go to Juilliard.

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Speaker 3: So that means that the way we conduct you know,

705
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Speaker 3: acting and comedy or whatever is not up to standard.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I'm not suggesting even for a second

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Speaker 1: that there needs to be a standardization of quality. I'm

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Speaker 1: not suggesting that there needs to be a standardization of

709
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Speaker 1: this industry. But I do think that like this breaks

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Speaker 1: down to questions of human decency. For me, this is

711
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: this is not just oh, I made the best movie

712
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Speaker 1: I could make, and if you like it, you like it.

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Speaker 1: If you don't, you don't. I've seen plenty of those movies,

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Speaker 1: and we can argue all day about which one souls are.

715
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Speaker 1: But there's nothing he's putting in on sisters. Do you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: Oh Yo, when I tell you the be Et Bandits.

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Speaker 3: Is gonna be a you, I want to be a part.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be a party.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: Someone to make sure you untagged.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna be mad.

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Speaker 2: They are, they will ride at down. But that's what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I get it that I understand that.

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Speaker 2: Even better.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that he's trying his best on all

728
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Speaker 1: of these things. And I think we gotta be honest

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Speaker 1: about that, Dave. I think that what are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: Is it like a ratios thing, like what do you

731
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Speaker 1: think is good to bad?

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Speaker 4: Ratio is tell me?

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Speaker 2: Let us know what you right now, right now? Hold

734
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Speaker 2: on what is good for you movie? Right now?

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Speaker 4: Show? No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, that's that feels that that's complicating the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because you want to you want to keep your jobs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to play this nasty little.

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Speaker 3: To hold me if I wouldn't do what I did

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Speaker 3: right now?

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Speaker 1: Who that's not the point of this conversation.

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Speaker 2: A good try, sister, I can't even. They won't even

743
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Speaker 2: see me a script. I can't even.

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Speaker 1: I think if we're talking ratio of what I think

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Speaker 1: he offers up good to bad, I think it's ninety

746
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Speaker 1: percent bad and ten percent good.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Did you like Vampire

748
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Speaker 2: and Brooklyn?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was a good movie.

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Speaker 2: It was a good movie. No, what is good?

751
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 4: Not that?

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Speaker 2: Why wasn't it good? Eddie Murphy was in it?

753
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Speaker 1: Angela basis, Yeah, Eddie Murphy is in a female It.

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00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: Was yo, yo, you think it's a good movie.

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00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: Excuse me, you think it's a.

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00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: Good movie, iconic, legendary, No no, no, boo boo.

757
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play this game where we swerve around

758
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: it because a bunch of people we like are.

759
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: In butter Scotch behavior. Boom off the stage. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I loved it. There's a lot of movie lynn context. Also,

761
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: it's bonsering.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy. But it's not a great movie, thank you.

763
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Speaker 4: And that's fine, that's okay. That's kind of how it

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Speaker 4: is with the Tyler Perry stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's a good evil good who what's in his coffee?

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00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: Myth?

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00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: This is myth like behavior. This whole episode has been

768
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Speaker 1: brought to you by.

769
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: How dare you here?

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Speaker 3: You text me an hour before the podcast and I

771
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: brought my my sisterly love here to save the pod.

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00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 3: And now you said, I'm on met brothers. Where's where brothers?

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00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: It is? He has that it literally exists sides.

774
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: Now that's the problem.

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00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 4: You don't even know how thorough this man is. There's

776
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Speaker 4: an auntie.

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00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: I'm hurting.

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00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm hurting you have this man made all the stuff

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00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: and you I heard being like, it's already it could

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Speaker 1: be subjective, no.

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00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: Stop, how it is him being the devil to me

782
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: does come down to more than content or anything. I

783
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 4: think it's the way that he runs the ship that's

784
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 4: that is the thing that I think that regardless of

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00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 4: whether or not you enjoy it or you don't enjoy it,

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00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: that is the sinister read that we can all agree on, right,

787
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: And that's the problem with Tyler.

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00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: He's saving insane amounts of money it's fit to hoard

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00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: for himself by not paying people what they're worth and

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00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: not unionizing. And more than that, he then even saves

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00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: more and more money by forcing people to work hours

792
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: that are far beyond reason to stay sort of like

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00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: insular inside of this fucking dome that it's It feels

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00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: like we would be irresponsible to walk away from this

795
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: episode and say that Tyler Perry is like a good guy.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say, if we if Dave Langston

797
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: and me die, we did not commit.

798
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: We did not kill ourselves. We did on his podcast.

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00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: If they find my body on Tyler Perry's studios, I

800
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: did kill myself.

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00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 4: Anywhere else?

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00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: How is this show down?

803
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's paid attention.

804
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: Because everybody.

805
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: Going crazy were just saying.

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00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: No, they've never listened to a single episode, mister James,

807
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: iHeart is never plugged in the end phones. Well, I

808
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: think we did it. I think we're I think we've

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00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: concluded our all our positions on Tyler Perry, and they

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00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: do seem vast and in a little diverse. We we

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Speaker 1: have varying sort of scales of what we considered to

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00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: be evil about him.

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00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: Is that Yeah, it's just crazy.

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Speaker 3: We said all this stuff, and it's like we in

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Speaker 3: this industry do we want to work?

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00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, I got a good feeling, I'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean our good brother here English teacher abbit.

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Speaker 3: I mean you you like doings on ab before me,

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Speaker 3: light skin, sweet, I don't know what we.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry about.

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Speaker 2: That's true. There leaving woman to find for herself, holding

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Speaker 2: on his legs as he's trying.

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Speaker 1: To leave the house.

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00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm ready, tell me.

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00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: Give her a call Sydney. Before you, before you go

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Speaker 1: on down to the compound, will you tell us, uh,

827
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Speaker 1: will you tell us some cool ship you got.

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Speaker 3: Going on new, brand new podcast. Well it's remixed, but

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Speaker 3: it's called mess. It's with me and your fabe Marie

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Speaker 3: Foston on my Heart Big Money Players Network, and we

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Speaker 3: just came out and I'm very excited to be a

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Speaker 3: part of the family. And obviously I'm on Instagram. Please

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Speaker 3: follow me. In order for me to get the promo

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Speaker 3: and the brand deals that I deserve, I.

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Speaker 2: Need more follow so follow me.

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Speaker 3: I think that's just did I should be doing something

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Speaker 3: with hair or makeup or you know. If the lesbians

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00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: follow this, I'm sure they don't, but if you do,

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Speaker 3: please follow me.

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Speaker 2: Just sid b W.

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Speaker 4: We have some lesbians to come out.

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Speaker 1: We've had a few.

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Speaker 4: Three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's always uh, it's a girl and then her her

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Speaker 1: much more more masculine.

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Speaker 2: Watch your mouth, friend, watch your.

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Speaker 1: Mouth, masculine presenting girlfriend who who is less happy to

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Speaker 1: be there. It's usually the Yeah, it's like a small

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Speaker 1: girl with glasses and he was very nice, very nice,

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Speaker 1: very excited, and then a masculine presenting lady behind the

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Speaker 1: camera being like, y'all was y'all was cool.

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Speaker 4: But I have seen a couple of times where it

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Speaker 4: was a masculine lady and she put her small lady

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Speaker 4: on oh nice, Oh yeah, I don't remember the shot

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Speaker 4: to that couple in d C.

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Speaker 2: So it's only so it's only one couple of show coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, usually do better.

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00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: What can we do?

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Speaker 2: What we talk about saved the podcast.

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00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 3: I don't think you know, you understand they were looking

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Speaker 3: for to be seen and that was me.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank god, good job. Hell yeah, And uh, you

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Speaker 1: can follow me at Langston Kerman and we're still on

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Speaker 1: the start to Steal tour. We want you to come

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Speaker 1: out to the next couple of shows.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We We've got uh Seattle, We've got Portland. We and Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's all the ones that I think we're probably gonna have.

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Speaker 4: I think that's it should be all right.

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00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, anyway, and if you want to send us

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00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: your own drops, your own conspiracy theories, if you want

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Speaker 1: to tell us what Tyler Perry does for you, send

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