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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie with you,
Speaker 2: and we're going to raise the author of Financial Alchemy,
Speaker 2: twelve Months of Magic and Manifestation. She's been a seven
Speaker 2: figure spiritual, life and business coach for nearly thirty years.
Speaker 2: Is known as a leading expert on money manifestation. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about that. Blending mysticism and modern neuroscience to create
Speaker 2: her own coaching methodology. She has guided tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of entrepreneurs, artists, healers, and humanitarians to heal the rift
Speaker 2: between heart, spirit and money.
Speaker 1: We're going to.
Speaker 2: Back on Coast to Coast last with me about five
Speaker 2: years ago, wasn't it. Yeah, well, welcome back.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you for having me back.
Speaker 2: How did you get involved in so much money?
Speaker 3: It was not intentional. And to refer back to your
Speaker 3: beautiful guest before me, doctor talking about magic. I needed
Speaker 3: to bring magic to the part of my life that
Speaker 3: was the most mundane, that felt the most heavy, the
Speaker 3: most unmagical, to bring some life into some love to
Speaker 3: this part of life that desperately needs it. So the
Speaker 3: quick answer is I failed at everything everybody else was teaching,
Speaker 3: and I had my Ivy League degree, and I had
Speaker 3: half a dozen coaching certifications, and I had celebrity clients
Speaker 3: and testimonials and marketing, and I was doing everything right.
Speaker 3: And I was living in Los Angeles twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: struggling to make one hundred dollars a month. Outsaid, that's
Speaker 3: I hope you're impressed, because to take everything I had
Speaker 3: going for me and to be struggling to make one
Speaker 3: hundred dollars a month in Los Angeles is quite a feat.
Speaker 3: And I hope nobody else tries to repate that. And
Speaker 3: it was just I was doing. I was doing everything
Speaker 3: I was supposed to do. In fact, I was not
Speaker 3: only not making money, but I was taking classes that
Speaker 3: were telling me to do the same things that I
Speaker 3: was already doing. And I had a really dark night
Speaker 3: of the soul where I had tried everything. In my
Speaker 3: last gasp of hope, seven clints in a row said
Speaker 3: they would hire me, and none of them showed up
Speaker 3: and none of them paid, and I just had nothing
Speaker 3: left to do and I could not see how I
Speaker 3: was going to survive. And it just felt cruel that
Speaker 3: I got good results. I had a talent, but I
Speaker 3: couldn't make a living at it. And that's the thing
Speaker 3: about money is money is life and death, which is
Speaker 3: why we had so much energy around it and so
Speaker 3: much fear around it. And I despaired, and I was really,
Speaker 3: really lucky that I was working with a coach, which
Speaker 3: honestly makes no sense that I was working with a
Speaker 3: coach when I couldn't even pay rent, but it saved
Speaker 3: my life at that time, because after failing at everything,
Speaker 3: I had the vision boards and the mantras and the
Speaker 3: millionaire mindset, and I had all my friends in LA
Speaker 3: waving their hands changing my money. DNA were a real
Speaker 3: spiritual group out here, and nothing was shifting. And my
Speaker 3: coach looked at me and he said, Margana, if your
Speaker 3: money was a person, who would your money be. And
Speaker 3: that was my big AHA moment because in that moment,
Speaker 3: I saw my money instantly, and he was this big, scary, dirty,
Speaker 3: violent biker dude. Nothing wrong with bikers, but this one
Speaker 3: was bad and he wanted to harm me. And suddenly
Speaker 3: my entire financial life made perfect sense. I was protecting
Speaker 3: myself from exactly what I wanted and needed, and it
Speaker 3: didn't matter what I was doing consciously. It's like doctor
Speaker 3: Rayton was talking about the delicacy of a little bubble,
Speaker 3: and no matter what I did, that little doubt, that
Speaker 3: piece of unworthiness, that there was something wrong with me
Speaker 3: to take people's money, that I might be harming them,
Speaker 3: that I wasn't worthy, that money causes fights like it
Speaker 3: did in my family, and that it got in the
Speaker 3: way of love, would burst that bubble and I would
Speaker 3: have so much shame and fear and anxiety around money
Speaker 3: that I'd be pushing people away who actually wanted to
Speaker 3: hire me. But I didn't know any of that until
Speaker 3: I saw this person, and I saw how dangerous and
Speaker 3: mean and harmful he was. And I didn't see it
Speaker 3: until I made him a person. We can talk about
Speaker 3: money forever, and it's an abstract concept and it's interesting
Speaker 3: and we can theorize, but when you make it a
Speaker 3: flesh and blood person, it becomes very, very real, and
Speaker 3: we see things that are in our subconscious becomes visible
Speaker 3: to us, and then we can do something with it
Speaker 3: because we're speaking in the language of the subconscious. So
Speaker 3: I had to get rid of the biker again. He
Speaker 3: was poking and bursting that bubble so no matter what
Speaker 3: I was doing consciously, I had this counterintention that I
Speaker 3: had to keep him far away from me. So I
Speaker 3: was pushing money away and I didn't know it because
Speaker 3: it was dangerous. And I didn't know that I felt
Speaker 3: that way about money until I made it a person.
Speaker 3: So I had to get rid of the money monster,
Speaker 3: which created a new problem because I live in LA
Speaker 3: and now I've rejected my relationship with money. So I
Speaker 3: had to think to myself, who could I want in
Speaker 3: my life so much that I'd be willing to have
Speaker 3: this person in my life even if it's money. And
Speaker 3: out of my mind's eye just arose this sweet, handsome, romantic, gentle,
Speaker 3: safe loving guy because that's my flavor, and he wanted
Speaker 3: to be with me and he wanted to woo me
Speaker 3: and he was safe, and that's really really important.
Speaker 2: Did he just enter your life?
Speaker 3: He just he entered my imagination.
Speaker 2: Oh you created him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagined him. He was my new relationship with money.
Speaker 3: He wasn't physical, but he felt real and he was
Speaker 3: so cute and loving and sweet. That is like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I want this imaginary person and I'm willing to have
Speaker 3: a relationship with money because he happens to come in
Speaker 3: this package that is safe and loving, and he wants
Speaker 3: to be with me. Honestly, when I talk about relationship
Speaker 3: with money, it's really never ever about money. Money is
Speaker 3: the symptom. It's really relationship with life. But money is
Speaker 3: that area of life that is the big limitter.
Speaker 2: Well here's an example. Yes, we're talking about Elon Musk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's changing the name of Twitter to x.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He spent forty four billion dollars in money, some of
Speaker 2: it borrowed, of course, yeah, some of it is, but
Speaker 2: he still owes it. He's on the hook for it
Speaker 2: to buy Twitter. Who would do that? Who would have
Speaker 2: an affair with money like that? To do something like that?
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because I've coached billionaires and surprise, they're human.
Speaker 2: Are they happy people?
Speaker 3: Very often not, because their drama just shows up differently.
Speaker 3: Remember when I talked about money getting in the way
Speaker 3: of love. That is a harm and experience on both extremes.
Speaker 3: And who could imagine that the world's richest person is
Speaker 3: so insecure.
Speaker 2: I remember my first job in television, Yeah, two dollars
Speaker 2: an hour back in nineteen sixty nine, two dollars an
Speaker 2: hour and I'm trying to figure out and I'm still
Speaker 2: going to school at that time. But I couldn't live
Speaker 2: on that today. But I was happy. I still am, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean I was. I was still happy doing
Speaker 2: what I was doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, money becomes a problem when it stops us from
Speaker 3: doing what we think we need to do or be
Speaker 3: or have. And the reason I focus on money besides
Speaker 3: having my own very weird journey after failing at everybody
Speaker 3: else's stuff, I did this and overnight four people hired
Speaker 3: me for double what I'd ever charged before, and that
Speaker 3: started me on this journey. But the reason, the real
Speaker 3: reason I focus on money instead of just life itself,
Speaker 3: is because money is the number one excuse we humans
Speaker 3: get for everything we can't have, do, or be. But
Speaker 3: we can also see that you can have all the
Speaker 3: money in the world and you're still a human being.
Speaker 3: And there are other monsters besides money that usually show
Speaker 3: up when money is no longer the problem.
Speaker 2: So it could be diseases, could be anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's our relationship with life. Is this world
Speaker 3: a safe place for us? Are we wanted?
Speaker 2: Now? Would you rather have money than not? Of course everybody.
Speaker 3: Would, I would think, But we're at war with it.
Speaker 3: That's that's the ironic thing. If, for example, like I
Speaker 3: loved I loved the Tony Bennett song that you played
Speaker 3: as we entered, and I was just feeling like, Wow,
Speaker 3: how would it feel for you, George, if money, if
Speaker 3: your relationship with money felt like that song, how yummy
Speaker 3: would that be?
Speaker 2: Maybe it does.
Speaker 3: I would believe it. I would believe that. But what
Speaker 3: if I said to you, for example, you get in
Speaker 3: the way of everything I want, and you cause wars
Speaker 3: and you cause fights, and you're unfair and you're evil,
Speaker 3: and I wish you didn't exist, but I want more
Speaker 3: of you in my life. How would you feel about
Speaker 3: that relationship if that's what I was saying to you
Speaker 3: all the time, Well.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a really great relationship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the bubble bursting is we want it,
Speaker 3: but we resent it. We need it, but we don't
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 2: I admire people who make money and help other people.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, because there's no friction that way, or there's
Speaker 3: less friction. And that's the place that the block comes from,
Speaker 3: is when we're going in two directions at the same time.
Speaker 3: It makes me think of the hero card, the chariot
Speaker 3: where the driver has a black horse and the white horse,
Speaker 3: and the trick is getting both vehicles going in the
Speaker 3: same direction, or both horses going in the same direction.
Speaker 3: If you've got one going, I don't want to have
Speaker 3: this relationship and you have the other saying I want
Speaker 3: to pursue you, You're never going to go anywhere, and
Speaker 3: you're going to be stuck. And that's where human beings
Speaker 3: get is we want and we don't want at the
Speaker 3: same time, because fundamentally we're driven by safety and self protection.
Speaker 3: That's the prime directive, and that's a good thing. But
Speaker 3: then if money is dangerous to us because it brings
Speaker 3: up a lot of scary things about our ability to
Speaker 3: survive and deeper issues. Money represents am I lovable? Am
Speaker 3: I worthy? Am I safe? Am I powerful? That is
Speaker 3: what money measures in our civilization. So any of your
Speaker 3: wounds about not being lovable, not being worthy, not being safe,
Speaker 3: not being powerful, are going to show up in your
Speaker 3: face in money drama to get your attention, ideally so
Speaker 3: that you can heal it. But while we're still in
Speaker 3: the pain and we're unconscious of it because we don't
Speaker 3: really know what our relationship with money is We're going
Speaker 3: to keep pushing it away, and the drama just gets
Speaker 3: louder and louder and louder to get our attention.
Speaker 2: Who would you say comes to you for assistance and help?
Speaker 2: What kind of person.
Speaker 3: I get? The most interesting people who are brilliant and
Speaker 3: want to save the world and are getting stuck I have.
Speaker 2: They're good people.
Speaker 3: Generally, we're very good people. I don't think sociopaths have
Speaker 3: a lot of trouble making money. They have trouble with relationship.
Speaker 3: But the world savers and the sensitive people, they have
Speaker 3: a lot more conflict with money, and they're doing all
Speaker 3: the right stuff and they're not getting either they're not
Speaker 3: getting paid what they deserve to be paid, or there's
Speaker 3: drama coming up that is making money the bad guy
Speaker 3: in their life.
Speaker 2: How many people though we're gonna are in a job
Speaker 2: that they're stuck because it pays them well, but they
Speaker 2: hate it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's another version of a monster. It isn't just
Speaker 3: not having money. It's if your relationship with money is
Speaker 3: keeping you in a prison, getting in the way of
Speaker 3: the legacy and the lifestyle and the love you want
Speaker 3: to experience, then that's a toxic relationship. With money, and
Speaker 3: it's even worse because you need it, So that would
Speaker 3: be a monster that I would want to get rid of,
Speaker 3: so that then you can have a really loving partnership
Speaker 3: with money who wants what you want. And then you
Speaker 3: can look at the situation together as a team and
Speaker 3: see what you couldn't see through your fear based eyes.
Speaker 2: And how did you come upon this yourself because you
Speaker 2: trained yourself well.
Speaker 3: I had my initial experience twenty years ago with my
Speaker 3: own coach, and I had instant results. And then I
Speaker 3: started getting all these clients and I wasn't marketing this
Speaker 3: money thing at all, but I kept noticing clients had
Speaker 3: money anxiety, money challenges, so I tried it out on them.
Speaker 3: And to be totally truthful, I failed in the beginning.
Speaker 3: What because I didn't know what needed to happen to
Speaker 3: make the change happen. How deep you want to go
Speaker 3: into the root cause behind the money problem, because it's
Speaker 3: never really about money. You want to go as deep
Speaker 3: as you can into anything that has ever made you
Speaker 3: feel unsafe, unworthy and loved or powerless. The real the
Speaker 3: vulnerability of human existence. Again, it's relationship with life, but
Speaker 3: we can measure it in money. That's what's so useful
Speaker 3: about money. When my client, Leslie makes one point two
Speaker 3: million dollars a day after I coached her on a
Speaker 3: house that she'd been trying to sell for years, and
Speaker 3: nobody had even.
Speaker 2: Looked at per years, what change that.
Speaker 3: She had been working. She saw me speak up in
Speaker 3: Sun Valley and she purchased my money, got its own
Speaker 3: study program, and she had some immediate breakthroughs with that,
Speaker 3: slaying her monster, having a new money honey. And then
Speaker 3: I coached her because I noticed something in her life,
Speaker 3: experience and history that would take it a little deeper
Speaker 3: to get at a deeper monster than she could go
Speaker 3: to herself. And when she saw what it was and
Speaker 3: rejected it, chose herself and rejected the monster. She got
Speaker 3: a call from somebody wanted to look at the house,
Speaker 3: and it closed two days later. And that's happened more
Speaker 3: times than I can count. I get emails daily of
Speaker 3: people who have these unlikely occurrences. I love the Arthur C.
Speaker 3: Clark quote. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Speaker 3: I can't predict or really explain it, but I have seen.
Speaker 3: I've developed patterns and theories because I've coached so many
Speaker 3: thousands of people over so long, And the first one
Speaker 3: is I believe that change happens at the speed of safety,
Speaker 3: and if change isn't happening, something isn't safe. So you're
Speaker 3: not wrong, and you're not a failure, and you're certainly
Speaker 3: not a self saboteur. You are protecting yourself from a threat,
Speaker 3: and it's a real threat. Is it just isn't what
Speaker 3: you think it is because they're subconscious, which is where
Speaker 3: we have all of our attitudes and beliefs and where
Speaker 3: all of our actions come from. Is there repository of symbols,
Speaker 3: So money is a symbol of these deeper life issues.
Speaker 2: What does manifestation mean to you?
Speaker 3: Manifestation to me is when you take action, then you
Speaker 3: get a result, but it's not a straight line. You
Speaker 3: take an action in this direction and then the result
Speaker 3: comes over there. And when you've been applying action for
Speaker 3: a period of time and you haven't gotten results, and
Speaker 3: you feel like you're a loser, and you make a
Speaker 3: small inner shift, and then suddenly it all pours in
Speaker 3: all at once. I now have a theory that I
Speaker 3: developed earlier this year that all that work that you
Speaker 3: did wasn't wasted. It was just building up and building
Speaker 3: up and building up. But it was against this wall
Speaker 3: of safety that you built up to protect yourself from
Speaker 3: what you think you want. And as soon as it
Speaker 3: becomes safe, it's all that pent up energy gets to
Speaker 3: pour in and that's when the results come in, and
Speaker 3: they're just so much bigger than you anticipated, and they
Speaker 3: happen really fast when it's safe.
Speaker 2: What if money really isn't the cause of it is,
Speaker 2: but it's the individual?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, could you repeat that question?
Speaker 2: What if money isn't the cause for all this anguish,
Speaker 2: but it's the individual who does it, He creates it himself.
Speaker 3: I absolutely believe that to be the case. I think
Speaker 3: that life hands us three spiritual teachers to get our
Speaker 3: attention for our evolution, and they are money, love, and health.
Speaker 3: And money just gets our attention louder and faster than
Speaker 3: anything else. So I think we have these unresolved wounds
Speaker 3: because we're having a human experience and we want to
Speaker 3: find out what it's like to be vulnerable so that
Speaker 3: we can heal from it and help others.
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