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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie with you,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to raise the author of Financial Alchemy,

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Speaker 2: twelve Months of Magic and Manifestation. She's been a seven

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Speaker 2: figure spiritual, life and business coach for nearly thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Is known as a leading expert on money manifestation. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk about that. Blending mysticism and modern neuroscience to create

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Speaker 2: her own coaching methodology. She has guided tens of thousands

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Speaker 2: of entrepreneurs, artists, healers, and humanitarians to heal the rift

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Speaker 2: between heart, spirit and money.

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Speaker 1: We're going to.

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Speaker 2: Back on Coast to Coast last with me about five

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Speaker 2: years ago, wasn't it. Yeah, well, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you for having me back.

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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in so much money?

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Speaker 3: It was not intentional. And to refer back to your

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Speaker 3: beautiful guest before me, doctor talking about magic. I needed

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Speaker 3: to bring magic to the part of my life that

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Speaker 3: was the most mundane, that felt the most heavy, the

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Speaker 3: most unmagical, to bring some life into some love to

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Speaker 3: this part of life that desperately needs it. So the

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Speaker 3: quick answer is I failed at everything everybody else was teaching,

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Speaker 3: and I had my Ivy League degree, and I had

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Speaker 3: half a dozen coaching certifications, and I had celebrity clients

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Speaker 3: and testimonials and marketing, and I was doing everything right.

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Speaker 3: And I was living in Los Angeles twenty years ago,

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Speaker 3: struggling to make one hundred dollars a month. Outsaid, that's

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Speaker 3: I hope you're impressed, because to take everything I had

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Speaker 3: going for me and to be struggling to make one

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars a month in Los Angeles is quite a feat.

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Speaker 3: And I hope nobody else tries to repate that. And

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Speaker 3: it was just I was doing. I was doing everything

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Speaker 3: I was supposed to do. In fact, I was not

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Speaker 3: only not making money, but I was taking classes that

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Speaker 3: were telling me to do the same things that I

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Speaker 3: was already doing. And I had a really dark night

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Speaker 3: of the soul where I had tried everything. In my

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Speaker 3: last gasp of hope, seven clints in a row said

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Speaker 3: they would hire me, and none of them showed up

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Speaker 3: and none of them paid, and I just had nothing

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Speaker 3: left to do and I could not see how I

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Speaker 3: was going to survive. And it just felt cruel that

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Speaker 3: I got good results. I had a talent, but I

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Speaker 3: couldn't make a living at it. And that's the thing

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Speaker 3: about money is money is life and death, which is

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Speaker 3: why we had so much energy around it and so

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Speaker 3: much fear around it. And I despaired, and I was really,

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Speaker 3: really lucky that I was working with a coach, which

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Speaker 3: honestly makes no sense that I was working with a

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Speaker 3: coach when I couldn't even pay rent, but it saved

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Speaker 3: my life at that time, because after failing at everything,

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Speaker 3: I had the vision boards and the mantras and the

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Speaker 3: millionaire mindset, and I had all my friends in LA

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Speaker 3: waving their hands changing my money. DNA were a real

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Speaker 3: spiritual group out here, and nothing was shifting. And my

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Speaker 3: coach looked at me and he said, Margana, if your

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Speaker 3: money was a person, who would your money be. And

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Speaker 3: that was my big AHA moment because in that moment,

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Speaker 3: I saw my money instantly, and he was this big, scary, dirty,

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Speaker 3: violent biker dude. Nothing wrong with bikers, but this one

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Speaker 3: was bad and he wanted to harm me. And suddenly

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Speaker 3: my entire financial life made perfect sense. I was protecting

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Speaker 3: myself from exactly what I wanted and needed, and it

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Speaker 3: didn't matter what I was doing consciously. It's like doctor

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Speaker 3: Rayton was talking about the delicacy of a little bubble,

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Speaker 3: and no matter what I did, that little doubt, that

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Speaker 3: piece of unworthiness, that there was something wrong with me

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Speaker 3: to take people's money, that I might be harming them,

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Speaker 3: that I wasn't worthy, that money causes fights like it

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Speaker 3: did in my family, and that it got in the

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Speaker 3: way of love, would burst that bubble and I would

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Speaker 3: have so much shame and fear and anxiety around money

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Speaker 3: that I'd be pushing people away who actually wanted to

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Speaker 3: hire me. But I didn't know any of that until

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Speaker 3: I saw this person, and I saw how dangerous and

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Speaker 3: mean and harmful he was. And I didn't see it

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Speaker 3: until I made him a person. We can talk about

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Speaker 3: money forever, and it's an abstract concept and it's interesting

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Speaker 3: and we can theorize, but when you make it a

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Speaker 3: we see things that are in our subconscious becomes visible

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Speaker 3: to us, and then we can do something with it

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Speaker 3: because we're speaking in the language of the subconscious. So

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Speaker 3: I had to get rid of the biker again. He

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Speaker 3: was poking and bursting that bubble so no matter what

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Speaker 3: it was dangerous. And I didn't know that I felt

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Speaker 3: that way about money until I made it a person.

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Speaker 3: So I had to get rid of the money monster,

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Speaker 3: which created a new problem because I live in LA

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Speaker 3: and now I've rejected my relationship with money. So I

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Speaker 3: had to think to myself, who could I want in

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Speaker 3: this person in my life even if it's money. And

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Speaker 3: out of my mind's eye just arose this sweet, handsome, romantic, gentle,

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Speaker 3: safe loving guy because that's my flavor, and he wanted

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Speaker 3: and he was safe, and that's really really important.

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Speaker 2: Did he just enter your life?

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Speaker 3: He just he entered my imagination.

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Speaker 2: Oh you created him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagined him. He was my new relationship with money.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't physical, but he felt real and he was

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Speaker 3: so cute and loving and sweet. That is like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I want this imaginary person and I'm willing to have

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Speaker 3: this package that is safe and loving, and he wants

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Speaker 3: to be with me. Honestly, when I talk about relationship

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Speaker 3: with money, it's really never ever about money. Money is

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Speaker 3: the symptom. It's really relationship with life. But money is

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Speaker 3: that area of life that is the big limitter.

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Speaker 2: Well here's an example. Yes, we're talking about Elon Musk. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he's changing the name of Twitter to x.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He spent forty four billion dollars in money, some of

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Speaker 2: it borrowed, of course, yeah, some of it is, but

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Speaker 2: he still owes it. He's on the hook for it

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Speaker 2: to buy Twitter. Who would do that? Who would have

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Speaker 2: an affair with money like that? To do something like that?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because I've coached billionaires and surprise, they're human.

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Speaker 2: Are they happy people?

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Speaker 3: Very often not, because their drama just shows up differently.

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Speaker 3: Remember when I talked about money getting in the way

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Speaker 3: of love. That is a harm and experience on both extremes.

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Speaker 3: And who could imagine that the world's richest person is

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Speaker 2: I remember my first job in television, Yeah, two dollars

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Speaker 2: going to school at that time. But I couldn't live

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Speaker 2: on that today. But I was happy. I still am, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I mean I was. I was still happy doing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, money becomes a problem when it stops us from

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Speaker 3: or have. And the reason I focus on money besides

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Speaker 3: having my own very weird journey after failing at everybody

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Speaker 3: else's stuff, I did this and overnight four people hired

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Speaker 3: me for double what I'd ever charged before, and that

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Speaker 3: started me on this journey. But the reason, the real

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Speaker 3: reason I focus on money instead of just life itself,

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Speaker 3: is because money is the number one excuse we humans

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Speaker 3: get for everything we can't have, do, or be. But

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Speaker 3: we can also see that you can have all the

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Speaker 3: money in the world and you're still a human being.

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Speaker 3: And there are other monsters besides money that usually show

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Speaker 2: So it could be diseases, could be anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's our relationship with life. Is this world

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Speaker 2: Now? Would you rather have money than not? Of course everybody.

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Speaker 3: Would, I would think, But we're at war with it.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the ironic thing. If, for example, like I

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Speaker 3: loved I loved the Tony Bennett song that you played

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Speaker 3: as we entered, and I was just feeling like, Wow,

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Speaker 3: how would it feel for you, George, if money, if

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Speaker 3: your relationship with money felt like that song, how yummy

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Speaker 3: would that be?

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Speaker 2: Maybe it does.

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Speaker 3: I would believe it. I would believe that. But what

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Speaker 3: if I said to you, for example, you get in

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Speaker 3: the way of everything I want, and you cause wars

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Speaker 3: and you cause fights, and you're unfair and you're evil,

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Speaker 3: and I wish you didn't exist, but I want more

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Speaker 3: of you in my life. How would you feel about

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Speaker 3: that relationship if that's what I was saying to you

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Speaker 3: all the time, Well.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a really great relationship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the bubble bursting is we want it,

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Speaker 3: but we resent it. We need it, but we don't

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Speaker 2: I admire people who make money and help other people.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, because there's no friction that way, or there's

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Speaker 3: less friction. And that's the place that the block comes from,

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Speaker 3: is when we're going in two directions at the same time.

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Speaker 3: It makes me think of the hero card, the chariot

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Speaker 3: and the trick is getting both vehicles going in the

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Speaker 3: If you've got one going, I don't want to have

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Speaker 3: to pursue you, You're never going to go anywhere, and

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Speaker 3: you're going to be stuck. And that's where human beings

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Speaker 3: same time, because fundamentally we're driven by safety and self protection.

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Speaker 3: That's the prime directive, and that's a good thing. But

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Speaker 3: then if money is dangerous to us because it brings

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Speaker 3: up a lot of scary things about our ability to

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Speaker 3: survive and deeper issues. Money represents am I lovable? Am

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Speaker 3: I worthy? Am I safe? Am I powerful? That is

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Speaker 3: what money measures in our civilization. So any of your

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Speaker 3: wounds about not being lovable, not being worthy, not being safe,

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Speaker 3: not being powerful, are going to show up in your

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Speaker 3: face in money drama to get your attention, ideally so

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Speaker 3: that you can heal it. But while we're still in

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Speaker 3: really know what our relationship with money is We're going

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Speaker 3: to keep pushing it away, and the drama just gets

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Speaker 3: louder and louder and louder to get our attention.

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Speaker 2: Who would you say comes to you for assistance and help?

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Speaker 2: What kind of person.

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Speaker 3: I get? The most interesting people who are brilliant and

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Speaker 3: want to save the world and are getting stuck I have.

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Speaker 2: They're good people.

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Speaker 3: Generally, we're very good people. I don't think sociopaths have

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Speaker 3: a lot of trouble making money. They have trouble with relationship.

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Speaker 3: But the world savers and the sensitive people, they have

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Speaker 3: a lot more conflict with money, and they're doing all

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Speaker 3: getting paid what they deserve to be paid, or there's

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Speaker 2: How many people though we're gonna are in a job

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Speaker 2: that they're stuck because it pays them well, but they

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Speaker 3: Well, that's another version of a monster. It isn't just

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Speaker 3: it's even worse because you need it, So that would

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Speaker 2: And how did you come upon this yourself because you

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Speaker 3: I had my initial experience twenty years ago with my

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Speaker 3: vulnerability of human existence. Again, it's relationship with life, but

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Speaker 3: we can measure it in money. That's what's so useful

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Speaker 3: She had been working. She saw me speak up in

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Speaker 3: people who have these unlikely occurrences. I love the Arthur C.

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Speaker 3: I can't predict or really explain it, but I have seen.

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Speaker 3: I've developed patterns and theories because I've coached so many

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Speaker 3: So money is a symbol of these deeper life issues.

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Speaker 3: Manifestation to me is when you take action, then you

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Speaker 3: developed earlier this year that all that work that you

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Speaker 2: What if money really isn't the cause of it is,

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Speaker 2: What if money isn't the cause for all this anguish,

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Speaker 3: attention for our evolution, and they are money, love, and health.

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Speaker 3: And money just gets our attention louder and faster than

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Speaker 3: anything else. So I think we have these unresolved wounds

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