Speaker 1: Yeah, you're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor
Speaker 1: Josie Horshak. Hi.
Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome to in the Vets Office. I am your host,
Speaker 2: doctor Josie, and I am here with missus Shannonella.
Speaker 3: Hello. Hello, how are you? I'm doing great? How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm excited.
Speaker 4: I feel like every week we get to catch up
Speaker 4: and find out what crazy thing happened to you.
Speaker 3: This week in the Vets Office. And I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is yet.
Speaker 4: This week I'm kind of scared because you have a
Speaker 4: funny look on your face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were sitting here.
Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder if this is a little
Speaker 2: TMI for the audience, but you know, it really happened,
Speaker 2: so I feel like I got to share it. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is not this past week. This is actually I
Speaker 2: probably was a year into practice. So I was a
Speaker 2: baby VET okay, and we had the cutest little Cavey
Speaker 2: King Cavalier.
Speaker 3: Oh they're so sweet, They're adorable.
Speaker 2: And this sweet little angel was crying every time she
Speaker 2: was trying to go poop. And we went to I
Speaker 2: went to express for anal glands and for the life
Speaker 2: of me, could not get them to express and so
Speaker 2: I had my mentor and friend. He is a veterinarian,
Speaker 2: he's probably about seven years older than me, and I said, hey,
Speaker 2: you need to come check this out, like something's not
Speaker 2: right here. And he's like, sometimes they get impacted and
Speaker 2: we have to sedate them and express them. I'm like, great,
Speaker 2: so we'll sedate her. You're like, oh great, I'm like perfect,
Speaker 2: let's do it. So I sedate her and go to
Speaker 2: express for anal glands and still cannot get them to express.
Speaker 2: And so doctor Williams is his name. He comes out
Speaker 2: and he says, okay, well i'll help you. I'll show
Speaker 2: you how to do this. And he's, you know, doing
Speaker 2: the thing, and he says, hey, come here, I want
Speaker 2: to show you, like I want you to see exactly
Speaker 2: what I'm doing so you can replicate it in the future.
Speaker 4: Warming I'm like, I'm so nervous as to what is
Speaker 4: going on here, yep.
Speaker 2: And I am getting a bird's eye view. I mean
Speaker 2: I'm in there looking.
Speaker 3: Oh, and you're right in the area. Okay.
Speaker 2: And then he's you know, trying to express them. And
Speaker 2: there was like kind of like a plug and the
Speaker 2: plug came out. Oh no, and the anal plan expressed
Speaker 2: and I went all over my face, into my mouth,
Speaker 2: into my.
Speaker 3: Eyes and I.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I've recovered from that. This was
Speaker 2: about seven years ago and I still have PTSD. The
Speaker 2: best part is that there was security footage because we
Speaker 2: have cameras in the hospital, so the whole team.
Speaker 3: Watched it back. It is like, actually, very hilarious.
Speaker 2: I'll probably have to post it on my Instagram and
Speaker 2: we're gonna need a copy of that video. I'm spitting
Speaker 2: on the floor. I'm like throwing up in the sink.
Speaker 2: They're like, doctor Josie, what do you need. I'm like,
Speaker 2: call me an uber. And so I got an uber
Speaker 2: and I went home and I showered and I really
Speaker 2: wanted to have a glass of wine, but it was
Speaker 2: like nine in the morning, and so drank water.
Speaker 3: Went back to work. Oh wow, I have no words
Speaker 3: of moment. And you still after that moment, you were like,
Speaker 3: this is the path for me?
Speaker 2: It was like and that was a testing time, I
Speaker 2: will say, but yeah, I was like, hey, this is
Speaker 2: part of the.
Speaker 3: Job, part of the job, part of the job. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you I felt really bad for my uber driver? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I do not smell goods that I can.
Speaker 4: I can't talk about it. No, I'm like, I like
Speaker 4: my nose right now? Do you now since you've learned
Speaker 4: your lesson whenever?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, have anyone coming in there? Oh we're teaching.
Speaker 3: You're like, let's not look over top of the area.
Speaker 2: Like put your face shield on, yeah, put your goggles.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I was debtimately a learning experience for sure, and a
Speaker 2: rite of passage as a baby vet.
Speaker 4: So when you finally got home and thought about having
Speaker 4: your glass of wine, right, how many times did you
Speaker 4: have to shower to get that smell?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Ok, so I walk in We were in downtown Chicago.
Speaker 2: I walk into my apartment. My husband works from home,
Speaker 2: and he's like, wow, what's going on? And I was like,
Speaker 2: do not come close to me. I took off all
Speaker 2: my clothes, like right at the front door, ran to
Speaker 2: the shower. I probably had to shower like three times,
Speaker 2: like wash my hair and my face and brush my teeth.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was, oh, brush your teeth. It was a journey.
Speaker 4: Oh no, yeah, because I mean, regular shampoo is not
Speaker 4: going to get that smell out, and no regular soap. No.
Speaker 2: I threw my I threw my clothes away my top. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, burn it.
Speaker 3: Did you go back to work right after I did?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? I oh that day?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ran home, ubered home downtown Chicago, changed, showered
Speaker 2: two to three times, brush my teeth, got back in
Speaker 2: the uber, and went back to work.
Speaker 3: Okay, did the same mover driver pick you up? Did
Speaker 3: you wait for you or no? God? No, he was
Speaker 3: like that girl was stinky. Like if I ever see
Speaker 3: Josie pop up? Yeah, stop picking her up?
Speaker 4: Yah? Wow?
Speaker 3: And did you get a raise?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No raise, no raise?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: But it is funny.
Speaker 2: So the camera footage shows all of my nurses just
Speaker 2: like dying, laughing, and I'm like, you traders.
Speaker 3: No one tried to help you.
Speaker 2: I mean they were like what, like you just don't
Speaker 2: even know what to do at that point. So half
Speaker 2: of them are just like giggling in the corner. And
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't blame them. It was pretty funny.
Speaker 3: But and did you stay working there for? Is that
Speaker 3: where you Yeah? That's where I was prior to moving
Speaker 3: to Nashville.
Speaker 4: How I don't know if I could have returned back
Speaker 4: to the seating the crime.
Speaker 2: If you're listening to this, doctor Williams, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for that learning moment.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: All right, we are going to have more learning moments
Speaker 4: right now because some of our listeners have some questions
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're going to do some listener question and answers
Speaker 3: of the week. All right, let's see what we got. Hi,
Speaker 3: doctor Josie, Sometimes my dog eats grass, and I was
Speaker 3: wondering if this is normal or something I should be
Speaker 3: concerned about. Please let me know what.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 3: The grass eaters.
Speaker 2: Yes, I get asked this question for sure on a
Speaker 2: weekly basis. And it's a myth that dogs are carnivores.
Speaker 2: They're omnivores just like us. They require protein and and
Speaker 2: they're greens, and so I don't get worked up about
Speaker 2: dogs eating grass here and there. It's pretty normal for
Speaker 2: them to want to forge. So if your dog is
Speaker 2: like munching on a blade like a cow, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I will say, if they're rushing outside scarfing down tons
Speaker 2: of grass, sometimes that can mean they have an upset stomach.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's not a myth. That is not a myth.
Speaker 2: So if they ever really hurt tummy and they're running
Speaker 2: outside and they're just like ravenously eating grass and then
Speaker 2: throwing up afterwards. You know, if it's a one and done, okay,
Speaker 2: let's keep an eye on it. But if that's consistently happening,
Speaker 2: you should talk to your vet.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: But my German shepherd will go for a walk and
Speaker 2: he'll like, we chewing on a blade of grass the
Speaker 2: whole time, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, you know what, he just likes his greens.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: My French bulldog she used to do that all the time,
Speaker 4: and I would laugh because she would just take like
Speaker 4: one big chunk of grass and just sit there and
Speaker 4: enjoy it. She could, But are We have a German
Speaker 4: Shepherd mix and she will play for hours and get
Speaker 4: really worked up.
Speaker 3: And then she just devours grass and throws up. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, but she doesn't do it all the time,
Speaker 4: but I always get so worried and I'm like, is
Speaker 4: something wrong with her?
Speaker 3: But she's also like panting and now she's vomiting. I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is not this is not great. Yeah, I think it.
Speaker 2: Obviously they can't tell us, but my guess is that
Speaker 2: they're tummy's hurting. There's like an acid build up in there.
Speaker 2: Grass is very non acidic, so it kind of can
Speaker 2: coate the tummy, and so they're probably trying to help
Speaker 2: with that acid build up and then ultimately they end
Speaker 2: up throwing it up.
Speaker 3: So it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 2: But if it is a consistent like, hey, this is
Speaker 2: happening multiple times a week, certainly it's happening every single day.
Speaker 3: Talk to your mutinarian for sure. Cool. All right, good
Speaker 3: to know. That is our last question for the week.
Speaker 2: But for the listeners out there, if you have any
Speaker 2: questions that you'd like for us to address, you can
Speaker 2: click the link in our show notes.
Speaker 3: And feel free to record. No questions are off limit.
Speaker 4: Yes, and in those questions, I always love hearing what
Speaker 4: people are up to because I feel like there's so
Speaker 4: many different things that people are worried about that you
Speaker 4: don't want.
Speaker 3: To call your vet about. Now you can just ask
Speaker 3: doctor Josie exactly, so one stop shop. Absolutely all right,
Speaker 3: I'm excited. Who is our guest today on the show?
Speaker 2: I'm super excited today in the VETS office, we have
Speaker 2: Catherine Hurley Doll coming in and she is the executive
Speaker 2: director here at Wags and Walks in Nashville. It is,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, the most well known and respected dog
Speaker 2: rescue in the area. It's actually where I adopted my
Speaker 2: big German shepherd, Oakley from, and Catherine is a friend
Speaker 2: of mine. I actually when I moved here during the pandemic,
Speaker 2: I wanted to be involved in a rescue. I'm really
Speaker 2: passionate about it, and I had heard a lot about
Speaker 2: wags and walks and what better way to introduce yourself
Speaker 2: to someone than to slide into their DMS.
Speaker 3: So yes, very Kelsey Ballerini, Chase stokes of you.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right to the source. Yes, So I DMed
Speaker 2: her on Instagram, just letting her know. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: a veterinarian, I'm new to the area, I want to
Speaker 2: be involved, and we became fast friends from there. We've
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time working with sick animals together.
Speaker 2: But I don't think I realized what a force she was.
Speaker 2: She is birthing puppies in her bathroom. She will go
Speaker 2: to Alabama at the drop of a hat to rescue
Speaker 2: dogs from death row. She's going into extreme hoarding situations
Speaker 2: to extract animals, and really has just dedicated her life
Speaker 2: to saving dogs that most people wouldn't even think about
Speaker 2: giving a second chance. So if you have not checked
Speaker 2: out Wags and Walks, Like, I truly have to limit
Speaker 2: myself from looking at all of.
Speaker 4: The beautiful rescues that they have because I would take
Speaker 4: them all home. We have a farm now, and like
Speaker 4: they would all be at my house because the dogs
Speaker 4: that they the time they put into them, and just
Speaker 4: how sweet they are, and the great events that they
Speaker 4: put on are so awesome. So I'm excited to get
Speaker 4: to know her better too, because I haven't actually spent
Speaker 4: much time talking to her before.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she's lovely and I think a really great
Speaker 2: thing for listeners too, Like a big takeaway will be
Speaker 2: what to expect when you're adopting, because I have so
Speaker 2: many patients that are rescues, and I think it's important
Speaker 2: for own to be prepared when rescuing. It's a beautiful thing,
Speaker 2: but there's good things to know before you do it.
Speaker 3: So here we go. Hi, Catherine, Welcome to in the
Speaker 3: VETS Office. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited
Speaker 3: for you to be here today.
Speaker 2: And all of our listeners know that this podcast is
Speaker 2: BYOD Bring your Own Dog, and we also have the
Speaker 2: one and only mister Jacks joining us today.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about Jacks. Jax is the
Speaker 1: love of my life. He's my first dog. We have four.
Speaker 1: As you know, Jax came from Pontiac, Michigan, close to
Speaker 1: my hometown. His origin story is probably my favorite of
Speaker 1: all of my dogs. We were as nineteen year olds,
Speaker 1: you know, do on Craigslist just searching for dogs.
Speaker 3: Craigslist was like it was a place.
Speaker 1: It was it back in the day, back in the day,
Speaker 1: and we had just gotten into fostering, so I grew
Speaker 1: up with breeder dogs like Shitsu's small poodles, nothing in
Speaker 1: the realm of a pit. And me and Rejeeve my
Speaker 1: now husband then boyfriend, and one of our friends saw
Speaker 1: a photo of him in a Craigslist ad and he
Speaker 1: was being held by his neck with his one of
Speaker 1: his siblings, and you could see the police crawling across
Speaker 1: their face. And it was like ten pm and Pontiac,
Speaker 1: Michigan is really not anywhere I should be.
Speaker 3: And my mom was like, yeah, go go get them.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: And we drove there and knocked on the house. It
Speaker 1: had no electricity, and the guy was nice. He didn't
Speaker 1: try to murder you. He did not okay, And you
Speaker 1: could just hear puppies like screaming. So we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: how many do you have? And he was like I
Speaker 1: am eight or so. So I was like, well, if
Speaker 1: I give you one hundred dollars now, will you not
Speaker 1: sell any of them? And like we'll come back for
Speaker 1: the rest. And you know, again, I do not condone
Speaker 1: buying dogs off of Craigslist.
Speaker 3: Right again, this is pre rescue.
Speaker 1: And we got his whole litter, adopted all of them
Speaker 1: out and he was the last one to find a
Speaker 1: home and regieve from day one was like, this is
Speaker 1: my dog.
Speaker 3: This is my dog.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, we can't. We're moving to LA
Speaker 1: And my favorite joke of it is I called him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we can keep him under one circumstance
Speaker 1: and he's like anything. I'm like, we're changing his name
Speaker 1: from Away from Jack's. He was named after Jack from
Speaker 1: VANDR Pump Rules. My sister named him and I did.
Speaker 2: Not like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Regie was like, no, we're keeping him and
Speaker 1: his name is Jacks.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, You're like fine, and then we
Speaker 3: loaded up into a U haul a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Later and off to LA. You went where we went
Speaker 2: I'm lucky enough to know Jax. He's one of my
Speaker 2: patients and Regieve loves this dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrifying. It's very scary for me. Amazing.
Speaker 1: He's eight now and we talk about him being eight
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: So many owners do that. I'll find myself doing that,
Speaker 2: like my three year old healthy dog. I'm like, when
Speaker 2: the time comes, I don't know and I'm like, what
Speaker 2: am I doing?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: It's so unhealthy. It is.
Speaker 1: It's called anticipatory grief.
Speaker 3: Okay, see, there you go.
Speaker 1: My therapist told me about it and that we both
Speaker 1: really suffer from it. That we just think about him
Speaker 1: not being with us way more than that is healthy.
Speaker 2: Well as his terinarian, I can tell you he's extremely healthy.
Speaker 2: He really is, and he's going to live forever. So
Speaker 2: it's great genetic We're gonna throw that anticipatory grief out
Speaker 2: the window. Okay, tell us a little bit about Wags
Speaker 2: and Walks and what you guys do.
Speaker 1: Wags and Walks is a five o' and C three
Speaker 1: nonprofit where a dog rescue. It started in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: which is where I worked for four years, and Rejeev's
Speaker 1: job took us to Nashville. The plan was not to
Speaker 1: open a second branch. It was the opposite of whatever
Speaker 1: that can be. And he just kept joking, like you're
Speaker 1: gonna do it, You're gonna do it. And the more
Speaker 1: I was visiting shelters and then getting farther away from
Speaker 1: being hands on with dogs, it started to.
Speaker 3: Creep into my mind.
Speaker 1: And then we found a piple, a black Piple, and
Speaker 1: all of for puppies, brought them home with like no hesitation,
Speaker 1: got them vetting, got them adopted out. And that was
Speaker 1: kind of my first dose of like, oh, like I
Speaker 1: was my first foster, Like we did it, Like.
Speaker 3: I could do that again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it grew from there, and now we're almost
Speaker 1: five years old and have our first adoption center and
Speaker 1: an incredible staff, and you know, we take a ton
Speaker 1: of pride in everything that we've built in regards to
Speaker 1: the foster program, the medical program, and it's become a
Speaker 1: big staple in the Nashville community.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is such a big staple. I feel like
Speaker 2: everyone in Nashville knows about it, especially if you're involved
Speaker 2: in any way or just even a dog lover. And
Speaker 2: I can really speak to the medical side of things.
Speaker 2: I've worked with a lot of rescues, and WAGS is
Speaker 2: far and away one of the if not the best
Speaker 2: rescue as far as really seeking top care medical treatment,
Speaker 2: and that is not inexpensive, but you guys really go
Speaker 2: the distance and you make sure that these pets are
Speaker 2: well vetted and healthy, and if they're not entirely healthy,
Speaker 2: like being completely transparent with the adopters on what they're getting.
Speaker 3: So I think it's pretty amazing that you should be
Speaker 3: very proud, Thank you, welcome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's so much of what WAGS has
Speaker 1: been built upon has been why people hesitate to adopt
Speaker 1: and how do we rework that in a way that
Speaker 1: it can be for everyone. Medical is certainly a huge
Speaker 1: part of that is people are like, well, how do
Speaker 1: I know? And the answer is, if you go to
Speaker 1: a shelter, you're not really gonna know. Yeah, And that's no,
Speaker 1: that's to no credit of you know, the shelter not
Speaker 1: doing their best. Right when you're so limited on resources
Speaker 1: and staff and funding, what else are they going to do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they'll and they'll be honest with you that
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we you know, we don't know. This
Speaker 1: dog's knees are great, right, So I think it's been
Speaker 1: a huge point of pride for the staff of just
Speaker 1: like getting feedback from fosters and you know that dog's
Speaker 1: drinking a lot of water. It's like, oh, well, maybe
Speaker 1: a kidney issue. Yeah, yeah, you know the dog we
Speaker 1: sent to you the other day. Now we have a
Speaker 1: great four heart murmur and you know, but there's a
Speaker 1: ton of people out there that with the information, they'll
Speaker 1: still make the decision to adopt.
Speaker 3: You just want them to have all the information, exactly
Speaker 3: the full picture.
Speaker 2: I think that brings me to a really interesting point,
Speaker 2: and so many of my clients are interested in adopting,
Speaker 2: but I think it's important when you're looking at a
Speaker 2: rescue to.
Speaker 3: Make sure it checks a couple of boxes.
Speaker 2: I would say, in my experience, not all rescues aren't
Speaker 2: created equal. What do you think, what does wags do?
Speaker 2: That kind of sets you guys apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question, I think, stemming off of
Speaker 1: the medical side, giving people clear expectations and being as
Speaker 1: transparent as possible from both the medical, behavioral and the
Speaker 1: take home of that dog. So most of our dogs
Speaker 1: are in foster homes, which means we can then have
Speaker 1: a conversation with you if you're applying to adopt a
Speaker 1: dog and you have children, and I can say, hey,
Speaker 1: this dog is living with three kids and they're doing great,
Speaker 1: or I can say I do not think this.
Speaker 3: Dog will be a good fit for children. Like it's
Speaker 3: on both.
Speaker 1: Sides of it, and so I think the transparency on
Speaker 1: that has been so helpful for making quality matches and
Speaker 1: lifelong matches because the return rate for a lot of
Speaker 1: rescues is where they struggle is you want to get
Speaker 1: that dog out the door and you want to get
Speaker 1: them forever home. But there are so many wonderful people,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that they're the perfect match for
Speaker 1: a lot of dogs. So learning more about the dog
Speaker 1: and being able to make that match, I think is
Speaker 1: what's been really successful for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's interesting. Having three rescues of myself, I has
Speaker 2: really been an eye opener. And I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people when they adopt dogs, they think, Okay, here
Speaker 2: I go, I've got my dog. We're going to hit
Speaker 2: up the dog park, We're going to go for a run,
Speaker 2: we're going to go to a patio. And sure, there's
Speaker 2: like the occasional few that can do that, but the
Speaker 2: reality is that the majority. That's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 2: You have a new adopter, what sort of advice would
Speaker 2: you give them?
Speaker 1: Yes, so we preached the three three three rule that
Speaker 1: means three days, three weeks, three months. So the expectations
Speaker 1: of that dog throughout that process is very different. So
Speaker 1: when you're bringing that dog home, you know, like you
Speaker 1: just said, the word dog park is like very triggered.
Speaker 3: Right now, our eyes are twitching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going to the you know, twelve South Farmers Market.
Speaker 1: I'm like, please don't do that. I think what's most
Speaker 1: helpful to have people grasp what the three three through
Speaker 1: role really means of a dog decompressing into your lifestyle
Speaker 1: is by the time that this dog is in your home,
Speaker 1: especially if you're adopting an adult dog, that they have
Speaker 1: either been surrendered by their family, which is traumatizing, or
Speaker 1: they were astray and you know who knows what that entailed.
Speaker 1: Now they're in a shelter that's loud and overcrowded, they're
Speaker 1: getting poked and prodded with needles, they're getting behavior assessments
Speaker 1: that are very stressful, and then they're there for however
Speaker 1: long where they're getting out of the can for very
Speaker 1: minimal amount of time because against shelters are underfunded and understaffed.
Speaker 1: Right then they're coming to the rescue, so we're already
Speaker 1: on like three or four transitions. So say they stay
Speaker 1: at Wags for three days until they find a foster, Well,
Speaker 1: then they're going to go to foster, and then they're
Speaker 1: going to settle and they're going to like really start
Speaker 1: to learn how to be a dog, find their routine,
Speaker 1: and then they're going to go to you adopt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that is just so much for a dog to
Speaker 1: have to respond to. And so the expectation that they're
Speaker 1: going to come into your life seamlessly is everyone's I
Speaker 1: think biggest hiccup is like, you need to get out
Speaker 1: of your own way. I realize that it's going to
Speaker 1: take some time. So again that three days, three weeks,
Speaker 1: three months, if you follow those rules and just keeping
Speaker 1: their world small, is in the long run so much
Speaker 1: better for them and so much better for the adopter.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit what you mean
Speaker 2: by what can you expect it? Three days, three weeks
Speaker 2: and then three months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's the expectation for the dog and what
Speaker 1: you should be doing is the adopter.
Speaker 3: So that three day rule is like keep.
Speaker 1: Their world tiny, hand feeding them, getting them on a
Speaker 1: crate schedule, and just letting them decompress to their surroundings
Speaker 1: and to your neighborhood. Something is even like going on
Speaker 1: the same routine for your walk. Just give them some
Speaker 1: structure and consistency. Keep that throughout that three weeks, and
Speaker 1: that's where it's like, you know, if your mother in
Speaker 1: law wants to come over, or you want to have
Speaker 1: a play date with one of your dog friends. Again,
Speaker 1: just little by little introducing them and exposing them to
Speaker 1: new situations and scenarios. And then it's really that three
Speaker 1: month where you start to really see their true personality
Speaker 1: come out and then adjust to that. You know, and
Speaker 1: again I say it all the time, get out of
Speaker 1: your own way for expectations of what these dogs are
Speaker 1: going to be right, and what's in your head is
Speaker 1: rarely what ends up being the dog in front of
Speaker 1: you and being okay with that, and then adjusting to
Speaker 1: what they need and whether that's you know, they do
Speaker 1: need a create schedule because they're an anxious dog, or hey,
Speaker 1: I have that rare jam of a dog that is
Speaker 1: going to be good in a dog park and if
Speaker 1: they're not like that's okay, you know, advocate and do
Speaker 1: what's best for the dog that's in front of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I from personal experience, you know, I have Oakley,
Speaker 2: who's a Wags alum and he was actually one of
Speaker 2: the dogs that Catherine rescued from Alabama, and he fits
Speaker 2: that role perfectly. At three months, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's you're obsessed with your ball still, but like you're
Speaker 2: kind of decompressing, Like here's your personality and I can
Speaker 2: see you're a lover, but you still won't really let
Speaker 2: me petch you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And now we're a year in and he like won't
Speaker 2: get off my lap. But I mean it's just like
Speaker 2: it takes a really long time. I mean, the PTSD
Speaker 2: is real for these animals, and you really have to,
Speaker 2: like you said, get out of your own way, sit back,
Speaker 2: let them decompress in their their own timeline. And it's
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. I think with like each month and
Speaker 2: each year that goes by, you like get to know
Speaker 2: them and they they really start to let their guards down.
Speaker 1: And even on like the flip side of Oakley, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we was a like ball driven like prey drive like
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 3: And you had to be like pump the braids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then there's the other dogs that are really
Speaker 1: nervous and they're shy, and we have this like desire
Speaker 1: to baby that right, and I deeply understand that desire.
Speaker 1: It is not helpful to that dog, right, you know
Speaker 1: that can Now we're going to resource guard mom because
Speaker 1: Mom's my safe space, right, and that structure though challenging.
Speaker 1: I just sent my dog to a tweak board and
Speaker 1: train and just trying to like get him back on track.
Speaker 1: And because Moose is so squishy and soft and sweet,
Speaker 1: it's so easy to be like, oh, I'll let you
Speaker 1: in the couch, I'll let you in the bad I'll
Speaker 1: let you do what, literally whatever you want because I
Speaker 1: love you. But like you got to show love in
Speaker 1: different ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little tough love goes a long way. I
Speaker 2: preach that structure. They want structure, Yeah, they thrive off
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: And it's so interesting that like humans just we really
Speaker 1: struggle with with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah really do we're suckers? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, like I say, we're like grandparents, like we just
Speaker 1: even though like the parenting should be stricter, I want
Speaker 1: to always act like the grandparents.
Speaker 3: I'm like, let it be a free for all.
Speaker 2: No bedtime, whatever snacks you want. Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 2: One thing that I hear my clients say a lot
Speaker 2: is and I actually one time had a situation where
Speaker 2: people will say, gosh, I want to adopt, but it's
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of prerequisites, and I got denied.
Speaker 2: I actually once when I was in Chicago, got tonight
Speaker 2: because I didn't have a fence in my backyard. And
Speaker 2: people get really frustrated with that. What do you say
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: I understand both sides of it. I've been on both
Speaker 1: sides of it as well. I think I would have
Speaker 1: been turned down to adopt Jacks because of my age and.
Speaker 3: Like, what do you mean You're moving to LA in
Speaker 3: three weeks? Like how is it hit? I'm like, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'll figure it out though.
Speaker 1: So I understand that a lot of rescues are either
Speaker 1: volunteer run and they're so fearful of like putting a
Speaker 1: dog in a situation that's not going to be good
Speaker 1: for them. And I get that, But if the end
Speaker 1: goal is that adoption is the standard, know then people
Speaker 1: we want people to stop buying dogs, then again, we
Speaker 1: have to get out of our own way, right, So
Speaker 1: I think WAX isn't a good job at balancing that
Speaker 1: and having our adoption program be thorough but not judgmental
Speaker 1: or having too many barriers. So when we ask you,
Speaker 1: you know, how many kids you have and how old
Speaker 1: are they and what's your schedule, it's not to be
Speaker 1: like finding reasons to not give you a dog. It's
Speaker 1: to find the best dog that we can matchmake you with. Yes,
Speaker 1: So I think finding rescues if you're you know, someone
Speaker 1: from the public, look into their policies, look into their process,
Speaker 1: and try to be open minded that if you don't
Speaker 1: have a great experience and you do feel like the backyard,
Speaker 1: that's something that like just it's also expensive, you know,
Speaker 1: like there are people that can be great dog owners,
Speaker 1: but like putting up a ten thousand dollars fence or
Speaker 1: their ha doesn't let them like is not the reason
Speaker 1: right that they shouldn't be able to have a dog.
Speaker 1: And then it's on the rescue to find you the
Speaker 1: right dog, right, you know, like no, I'm I going
Speaker 1: to maybe give you.
Speaker 3: Like a husky, probably not.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about why I'm not going to
Speaker 1: give you a husky, yeah, and just finding dogs that
Speaker 1: fit lifestyles. And I think our option team crushes it
Speaker 1: with that. I think I think it's it's fun for
Speaker 1: them to be able to get on the phone and
Speaker 1: hear about people and.
Speaker 2: And then the right the perfect match that's going to
Speaker 2: be a life, lifelong match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully, hopefully.
Speaker 2: Another thing that a lot of my clients will say is, oh, gosh,
Speaker 2: like I I really want to rescue. It seems so wonderful,
Speaker 2: but I'm really looking for this particular breed like a
Speaker 2: Golden Retriever or a husky and and or my husband
Speaker 2: has allergies. I'm looking for something that doesn't shed. So
Speaker 2: what do you say to that? Yeah, we joke about
Speaker 2: it internally a lot, like it's hard. You know, people
Speaker 2: are like, I want the great trained, potty trained seven
Speaker 2: pound Maltese that does not shed, and we're like, okay,
Speaker 2: like you and the rest of the world. Right that
Speaker 2: being said, I think the state of rescue now in
Speaker 2: particularly in the South, those dogs are like not very
Speaker 2: few invar between anymore. So I think it's the keyest
Speaker 2: patience And I mean me and you both know, the
Speaker 2: hypoergenic thing like has gotten a little bit out of
Speaker 2: hand with like the cross breeding of the doodles. That
Speaker 2: if you're going to breed a Bernice Mountain dog in
Speaker 2: a poodle like that does not mean your puppy is
Speaker 2: going to be hYP don't from these breeders. That being said,
Speaker 2: I do understand that there are people that want dogs
Speaker 2: that look a certain way or you know, are on
Speaker 2: the lower shedding side of things. And with the doodle craze,
Speaker 2: we're now seeing the come down of that. And that
Speaker 2: means there's so many of them in shelters. Over the
Speaker 2: last couple of months, we've taken in well over fifty.
Speaker 2: That is insane.
Speaker 3: It's insane.
Speaker 1: And we're one rescue, right, Like, we're not even just
Speaker 1: the one rescue in Nashville, Like, there's so many rescues everywhere.
Speaker 3: And I have.
Speaker 1: Friends that work in shelters and rescues across the United States.
Speaker 1: They're saying the same thing. So it's okay if you
Speaker 1: want a certain breed, but please know that there's to
Speaker 1: be rested. They are out there, puppies adults. Last week
Speaker 1: we had two standard poodles surrendered and I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: going on? And they're good dogs, you know. So it's just, yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone can find the dog that they want rescue.
Speaker 2: And I think what you just said is they are
Speaker 2: good dogs. I think people think, well, gosh, why are
Speaker 2: they in a rescue, like what did they do?
Speaker 3: Or why did their owner give them up?
Speaker 2: And a lot of times it's just whether it's financial
Speaker 2: or medical. Like people, it doesn't mean that there's anything
Speaker 2: wrong with the dog. It can be the circumstance of
Speaker 2: their previous owner. And so, yeah, I personally think there's
Speaker 2: they are the best and they deserve that second chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the misconception that dogs are in shelters
Speaker 1: because of behavior or anything that they've done is largely false.
Speaker 3: The average age of a shelter dog.
Speaker 1: Oh, excuse you, come here, he says, I own this set.
Speaker 3: Now Jack's come he says, this is Mavid's office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the idea that dogs are in shelters
Speaker 1: because of behavior is largely false. It's mostly due to
Speaker 1: life circumstances of the person and also just that they're
Speaker 1: old dogs or discarded and damaged. And the average age
Speaker 1: of a shelter dog is under one years old. And
Speaker 1: so whether you're looking for a puppy, a one year
Speaker 1: old a three year old, they're probably not in the shelter.
Speaker 1: And also they have to go through a behavioral assessment
Speaker 1: at the shelter to be on the adoption floor. Right, So,
Speaker 1: even though rescues have more resources to learn more about
Speaker 1: the dog, if you're seeing a dog at the shelter.
Speaker 3: It's because it's yeah, it's a friendly dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not for every single person, but overall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you know, clearly there are pure breads in rescue,
Speaker 1: so many, but I would say a large majority of
Speaker 1: them are pitbulls or do have piple in them.
Speaker 2: And you know, pit bulls get a really bad rap.
Speaker 2: I know you're an advocate for them. What what do
Speaker 2: you say to that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be a seven day podcast of live
Speaker 1: streaming consciousness for me. But I mean, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the one thing is is the identifying even of what
Speaker 1: a piple is and like what that even means. And
Speaker 1: there was a study done where you know, if you
Speaker 1: were to show people a picture of ten Golden retrievers,
Speaker 1: everyone's going to be able to identify the golden retriever
Speaker 1: and the DNA test is going to match, right, like
Speaker 1: you know what the golden looks like you know what
Speaker 1: a French bulldog looks like a pug et, cetera. But
Speaker 1: then when you're showing people, hey, these are x amount
Speaker 1: of pippules labeled in shelters and showing people the photos,
Speaker 1: they're so misidentified across the board.
Speaker 3: So if you can't.
Speaker 1: Even visually say what a piple is, they're like how
Speaker 1: then it gets so convoluted when you're talking about bites
Speaker 1: and aggressiveness and this, Yeah, because everything can almost be
Speaker 1: a pit bull, right, like anything with a blocky head
Speaker 1: and short hair, right, and.
Speaker 3: Really alters the statistics.
Speaker 1: Greatly to the point that they become irrelevant, right, And
Speaker 1: you know, and then you even go into like economic
Speaker 1: status of like what's even getting reported, right, So like
Speaker 1: two people that are wealthy and they're burn a doodle
Speaker 1: bite someone that's not getting reported. That's not going to
Speaker 1: make any headlines. It's not interestingly enough, Like the narrative
Speaker 1: is that pipples are bad right now, So that's that's
Speaker 1: a whole thing on its own of even be able
Speaker 1: to identify them. And then even on the flip side,
Speaker 1: you know, we have so many adopters that love wisdom,
Speaker 1: panels and embark and these things and then they're adopting
Speaker 1: dogs that don't look like a pity at all, right,
Speaker 1: and then their DNA tests come back and they're like
Speaker 1: forty percent American Staffshire Terrier.
Speaker 3: Like, would you have adopted that dog?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: If I told you it was, like, hopefully the.
Speaker 1: Answer is yes, but realistically the answer might be no. Right,
Speaker 1: So I am not naive enough to think that every
Speaker 1: single person's going to want to pipple. Like there are
Speaker 1: certain breeds and types of dogs, like I like big dogs.
Speaker 1: I probably ever own a Shitzu. Probably not right, But
Speaker 1: get out of your own way, right, don't let your
Speaker 1: own biases prevent you from an opportunity of finding a
Speaker 1: really wonderful match. Yeah, that's why I always encourage fostering.
Speaker 1: There are tons of people that will foster a pity,
Speaker 1: but like say, they won't adopt one, and then the
Speaker 1: conversion rate.
Speaker 3: To foster fails.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh see, yeah, and you know, just at
Speaker 1: minimum offering what they offer us, and that's unconditional love
Speaker 1: and an open heart. And I just I go to
Speaker 1: shelters very very often, and it's just the correlation's really
Speaker 1: not there, right, not even from my own personal experiences.
Speaker 1: I truly dive into the research and the stats of
Speaker 1: like what's going on, and they're wonderful family dogs.
Speaker 2: Right, And yeah, well I can tell you from having
Speaker 2: I have a lot of experience for against the bulls
Speaker 2: at the clinic, and I would take them over the
Speaker 2: tiny little chihuahua that's trying to eat me alive every
Speaker 2: single day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's so fascinating that, like I never
Speaker 1: want to then breed by us another groups of course,
Speaker 1: but then like just I own a chuaha, so oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a big shuahua up there. But like cattle dogs
Speaker 1: for example, you know, like you don't hear cattle dog slander,
Speaker 1: you know, we always joke about that, and the restue
Speaker 1: of like yeah, the statistics of them being able to
Speaker 1: like nip your kids if they're not getting enough mental
Speaker 1: stimulation is so much higher, I know. And then you
Speaker 1: want to talk about some breeds that were like are
Speaker 1: still truly bred for certain things, right that you know,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a pit bull and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what was happening in the eighteen hundreds, l eighteen hundreds
Speaker 1: to now is like they're not that's so convoluted in
Speaker 1: their DNA, But like it's not for a border Collie,
Speaker 1: right and your two year old and a border Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's trying to like herd him into the Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 1: It's again like just take dogs on face value of
Speaker 1: the behavior that they're showing you, yeah, and and make
Speaker 1: your decision based off of that. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: every piple is perfect, but yeah, most of them are.
Speaker 2: They're big, squishy babies are okay, last not least. This
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with rescue. This is just something
Speaker 2: that as your friend, I have noticed. And then I
Speaker 2: love that you do. Your ability to narrate dogs. Oh yes,
Speaker 2: like what they're thinking and how they talk is amazing.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You're sure you like the big bullies like Bubba.
Speaker 1: Yes, so Boba dishes Baba and he is very strong,
Speaker 1: but he's very sweet. He's going to come give you keyss. Yes,
Speaker 1: yeah I have. I have a lot of different voices.
Speaker 2: It's so amazing and it like fits them perfectly. So
Speaker 2: Catherine will call me and be like, Okay, I went
Speaker 2: to this house and we met this dog and he
Speaker 2: was like, how you doing it? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can just like see him right now.
Speaker 1: It's so bad when It's in the background of so
Speaker 1: many shelter videos and like I just see can hear myself?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, please mute that.
Speaker 3: There's like this. Yeah, it's usually the big old pities
Speaker 3: that I like to do it. Which, oh, but does
Speaker 3: your widow dogs to you? You can't do a way
Speaker 3: a bit of dat.
Speaker 2: It's so amazing. Do your four dogs at home have
Speaker 2: their own voice?
Speaker 4: That? Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, like hear be Hery has no eyebrows.
Speaker 2: Hue is a very large English bulldog with no eyes.
Speaker 3: So he's mad.
Speaker 1: Jeeve is better because he has like a deep broken
Speaker 1: British accent for him. Yeah that's good, yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see it and move. She's a little bit
Speaker 1: more like I'm just a little slow. I don't think
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 3: And JoJo's mad.
Speaker 1: Jojoy's controls everything and she's a little feisty.
Speaker 3: And there's Jack and there's the perfect one.
Speaker 2: He's rolling around on the ground right now. For all
Speaker 2: of you that can't see us, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, well thank you.
Speaker 1: I don't think everyone would agree with you on that perspective, but.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I love it when you say that to me. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can see this dog and now I get it. Well,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming in rescue. I know
Speaker 2: to you is very near and dear to your heart,
Speaker 2: and it is also to me. So I think it's
Speaker 2: really important to create awareness and most importantly for all
Speaker 2: the listeners out there that want to adopt, just no
Speaker 2: what to expect and a lot of times getting out
Speaker 2: of our own way and just kind of letting them
Speaker 2: come into their own I think it's so important. So
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming in and giving us your expert advice.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me and giving a platform to
Speaker 1: talk about why adoption should be the only option and
Speaker 1: how there's just millions of wonderful dogs looking for their home.
Speaker 4: You're so welcome, so awesome to have Katherine Harley Dall
Speaker 4: on the podcast. And if you're listening and you are
Speaker 4: interested in Wags and Walks, do not forget to go
Speaker 4: follow them on social media at Wags and Walks Nashville,
Speaker 4: and I promise you will be highly entertained and there's
Speaker 4: so much great content on there and it just really
Speaker 4: gives you an inside look at what the work that
Speaker 4: they do.
Speaker 3: So definitely go check them out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's certainly my favorite account that I follow
Speaker 2: me too.
Speaker 3: It can be very.
Speaker 2: Dangerous, Yeah, for sure, adopt them all. But yeah, they're wonderful,
Speaker 2: so definitely give them a like. They're often fundraising too
Speaker 2: for a lot of sick animals, so check them out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just really helpful too because we have a
Speaker 4: rescue at home and so many questions and answers in
Speaker 4: that interview just I wish I had have had before
Speaker 4: I actually had a rescue at home.
Speaker 3: So super helpful. Good, that's the point. Now we get
Speaker 3: to the fun part here we go, all right? Next
Speaker 3: up we have paw and order.
Speaker 2: Number one on the list this week is I, as
Speaker 2: a pet owner, would never walk my dog on a
Speaker 2: retractable leash.
Speaker 3: They are the bane of my existence.
Speaker 2: I think I speak for every veterinarian and dog trainer
Speaker 2: and medical animal professional out there when I say this.
Speaker 2: They just do not allow you to have any control
Speaker 2: over your pet at all. That dreaded lock button. Inevitably
Speaker 2: you're either locked up or it's not working, and then
Speaker 2: the next thing you know, your dog is jumping on someone,
Speaker 2: they're sniffing in other dogs, but you just you really
Speaker 2: have no control. So I recommend throwing it in the
Speaker 2: trash can, getting on Amazon and getting a regular four
Speaker 2: six foot leash. Your pet will not know the difference.
Speaker 2: They will be just as happy, and you will have
Speaker 2: exponentially more control as a pet owner. So no more
Speaker 2: retractable leashes, please, I beg you please.
Speaker 4: I'm not even a vet, but like when I'm walking
Speaker 4: my dog down the street and someone comes towards me
Speaker 4: on a retractable leash, I'm like, oh, no, yeah, because
Speaker 4: like we're gonna get tangled.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, you're gonna get tangled. And it seems
Speaker 2: like a great idea. You're like, yes, my dog has
Speaker 2: a little bit of freedom, but they're not off leash.
Speaker 2: But really, it ultimately ends up your dog's walking you
Speaker 2: and you're not walking your dog, and.
Speaker 4: That's not fun for anyone. Maybe it's because I had
Speaker 4: horses growing up like you. I want to have control
Speaker 4: of you. Yeah, exactly, walking a horse on our retractable leish.
Speaker 3: No, I would not be good.
Speaker 4: Okay, So no retractable leishes, guys, Yes, what's next.
Speaker 2: Next on the list we have? I would never leave
Speaker 2: my small dog outside unattended. Really, I probably wouldn't leave
Speaker 2: any of my dogs outside unattended for a long period
Speaker 2: of time, but especially the small ones. I had a
Speaker 2: patient who was scheduled to come in for her dental
Speaker 2: procedure last week and mom called me and said I
Speaker 2: have to cancel. And I said, oh no, what happened?
Speaker 2: And she said, Sophie got beat up by a raccoon
Speaker 2: in the yard. So the wildlife is real. It is
Speaker 2: the wild West out there. We have, especially here in Nashville, coyotes, bobcats, raccoons,
Speaker 2: and even hawks. They will target our small dogs.
Speaker 4: I'm picturing the movie The Proposal with Sandra Bullock and
Speaker 4: Pine Meddles with the little white dog.
Speaker 2: That gets picked up. So, yeah, that is not a joke. No,
Speaker 2: that's not just Hollywood. It happened.
Speaker 3: It happens. I will say.
Speaker 2: They're making these I don't know if they're cute or scary,
Speaker 2: maybe a combination of both. They're making these little harnesses
Speaker 2: with spikes on them. Oh my god, for you to
Speaker 2: put onto your little dog. So if you are going
Speaker 2: to leave them outside or you're worried about it, strap
Speaker 2: them up, get them up in their gear because predators
Speaker 2: are real.
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, please.
Speaker 4: Don't buy spiky outfits for your thought about it, Like
Speaker 4: my little chunky Chihuahua and a spike veest, I might
Speaker 4: have to get one.
Speaker 2: That is amazing all right, Last, but not least, I
Speaker 2: would never not keep my pets on flea, tick and
Speaker 2: heartworm prevention all year round. I'm going to do a
Speaker 2: whole episode on this. But the weather is crazy all
Speaker 2: across the country. Mosquitoes are not just out in the summertime,
Speaker 2: and all it takes is one mosquito bite for our
Speaker 2: pets to get heartworm disease, right, So I see them
Speaker 2: end up with heartworm disease all year round, So prevention
Speaker 2: is really important. And then I always say this sounds crazy,
Speaker 2: but fleas are very smart. They know when it's going
Speaker 2: to be really hot. They know and it's going to
Speaker 2: be really cold, and they will hitch a ride on us,
Speaker 2: and then they will hang out on our pets, particularly cats.
Speaker 2: Fleas love cats.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Our cat has had fleas before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was in like the period of time
Speaker 4: when we missed, yes, the preventatives.
Speaker 3: So and people don't you don't think about it.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, it's cold out, there's no fleas or
Speaker 2: mosquitos or ticks.
Speaker 3: But telling you those fleas.
Speaker 2: They have a high IQ and they're coming in on
Speaker 2: your on your jackets and your shoes, and then you've
Speaker 2: got fleas inside and it's all whole thing.
Speaker 3: So keep them on prevention all year round because humans
Speaker 3: you can get flea bites too, Yes, and they suck.
Speaker 3: I've had it. It's not fun. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm excited for that episode because I feel like
Speaker 4: I have so many questions for you about fleas and
Speaker 4: tics and all that kind of stuff. So if you
Speaker 4: also have a bunch of questions that you would like
Speaker 4: to ask doctor Josie, you can do that in our
Speaker 4: show notes. There's a link in there that you guys
Speaker 4: can send in your questions and we will get to them.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna send one in because I have questions
Speaker 4: about ticks. Yeah I need to ask you.
Speaker 2: So yes, okay, yes, send them in all your questions
Speaker 2: anything about anything generally wellness, we're sick, and then feel
Speaker 2: free to message me on Instagram and give me a follow.
Speaker 2: My Instagram handle is doctor Josie Vet. And then of
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Speaker 2: to your podcasts and subscribe.
Speaker 4: All right, we'll see you guys next time in the
Speaker 4: vet's office, school,