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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor

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Speaker 1: Josie Horshak. Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome to in the Vets Office. I am your host,

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Speaker 2: doctor Josie, and I am here with missus Shannonella.

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Speaker 3: Hello. Hello, how are you? I'm doing great? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: I feel like every week we get to catch up

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Speaker 4: and find out what crazy thing happened to you.

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Speaker 3: This week in the Vets Office. And I don't know

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Speaker 3: what it is yet.

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Speaker 4: This week I'm kind of scared because you have a

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Speaker 4: funny look on your face.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were sitting here.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder if this is a little

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Speaker 2: TMI for the audience, but you know, it really happened,

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Speaker 2: so I feel like I got to share it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is not this past week. This is actually I

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Speaker 2: probably was a year into practice. So I was a

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Speaker 2: baby VET okay, and we had the cutest little Cavey

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Speaker 2: King Cavalier.

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Speaker 3: Oh they're so sweet, They're adorable.

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Speaker 2: And this sweet little angel was crying every time she

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Speaker 2: was trying to go poop. And we went to I

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Speaker 2: went to express for anal glands and for the life

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Speaker 2: of me, could not get them to express and so

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Speaker 2: I had my mentor and friend. He is a veterinarian,

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Speaker 2: he's probably about seven years older than me, and I said, hey,

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Speaker 2: you need to come check this out, like something's not

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Speaker 2: right here. And he's like, sometimes they get impacted and

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Speaker 2: we have to sedate them and express them. I'm like, great,

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Speaker 2: so we'll sedate her. You're like, oh great, I'm like perfect,

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Speaker 2: let's do it. So I sedate her and go to

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Speaker 2: express for anal glands and still cannot get them to express.

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Speaker 2: And so doctor Williams is his name. He comes out

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Speaker 2: and he says, okay, well i'll help you. I'll show

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Speaker 2: you how to do this. And he's, you know, doing

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Speaker 2: the thing, and he says, hey, come here, I want

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Speaker 2: to show you, like I want you to see exactly

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Speaker 2: what I'm doing so you can replicate it in the future.

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Speaker 4: Warming I'm like, I'm so nervous as to what is

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Speaker 2: And I am getting a bird's eye view. I mean

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Speaker 3: Oh, and you're right in the area. Okay.

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Speaker 2: And then he's you know, trying to express them. And

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Speaker 2: there was like kind of like a plug and the

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Speaker 2: and I went all over my face, into my mouth,

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Speaker 3: Eyes and I.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I've recovered from that. This was

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Speaker 2: about seven years ago and I still have PTSD. The

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Speaker 2: best part is that there was security footage because we

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Speaker 3: Watched it back. It is like, actually, very hilarious.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably have to post it on my Instagram and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna need a copy of that video. I'm spitting

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Speaker 2: on the floor. I'm like throwing up in the sink.

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Speaker 2: They're like, doctor Josie, what do you need. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: call me an uber. And so I got an uber

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Speaker 3: Went back to work. Oh wow, I have no words

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Speaker 3: of moment. And you still after that moment, you were like,

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Speaker 2: It was like and that was a testing time, I

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Speaker 3: Job, part of the job, part of the job. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you I felt really bad for my uber driver? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like I do not smell goods that I can.

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Speaker 4: I can't talk about it. No, I'm like, I like

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Speaker 4: my nose right now? Do you now since you've learned

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, have anyone coming in there? Oh we're teaching.

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Speaker 3: You're like, let's not look over top of the area.

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Speaker 2: Like put your face shield on, yeah, put your goggles.

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Speaker 2: I was debtimately a learning experience for sure, and a

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Speaker 4: So when you finally got home and thought about having

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Speaker 4: Oh no, yeah, because I mean, regular shampoo is not

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Speaker 2: I threw my I threw my clothes away my top. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Okay, did the same mover driver pick you up? Did

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Speaker 3: you wait for you or no? God? No, he was

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Speaker 3: like that girl was stinky. Like if I ever see

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Speaker 3: And did you get a raise?

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Speaker 2: So the camera footage shows all of my nurses just

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Speaker 2: If you're listening to this, doctor Williams, thank you so

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Speaker 3: of the week. All right, let's see what we got. Hi,

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Speaker 3: doctor Josie, Sometimes my dog eats grass, and I was

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Speaker 3: The grass eaters.

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Speaker 2: They're omnivores just like us. They require protein and and

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Speaker 2: So if they ever really hurt tummy and they're running

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Speaker 3: Like, you know what, he just likes his greens.

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Speaker 3: And then she just devours grass and throws up. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and in those questions, I always love hearing what

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Speaker 4: many different things that people are worried about that you

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Speaker 3: To call your vet about. Now you can just ask

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Speaker 3: doctor Josie exactly, so one stop shop. Absolutely all right,

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Speaker 3: I'm excited. Who is our guest today on the show?

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Speaker 2: I'm super excited today in the VETS office, we have

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Speaker 2: Catherine Hurley Doll coming in and she is the executive

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, the most well known and respected dog

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Speaker 2: rescue in the area. It's actually where I adopted my

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Speaker 2: of mine. I actually when I moved here during the pandemic,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to be involved in a rescue. I'm really

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Speaker 2: passionate about it, and I had heard a lot about

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Speaker 2: wags and walks and what better way to introduce yourself

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Speaker 2: to someone than to slide into their DMS.

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Speaker 3: So yes, very Kelsey Ballerini, Chase stokes of you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right to the source. Yes, So I DMed

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Speaker 2: her on Instagram, just letting her know. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: be involved, and we became fast friends from there. We've

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Speaker 2: But I don't think I realized what a force she was.

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Speaker 2: She is birthing puppies in her bathroom. She will go

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Speaker 2: dogs from death row. She's going into extreme hoarding situations

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Speaker 2: giving a second chance. So if you have not checked

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Speaker 2: out Wags and Walks, Like, I truly have to limit

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about Jacks. Jax is the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is such a big staple. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's so much of what WAGS has

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Speaker 1: take some time. So again that three days, three weeks,

440
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: three months, if you follow those rules and just keeping

441
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,400
Speaker 1: their world small, is in the long run so much

442
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,719
Speaker 1: better for them and so much better for the adopter.

443
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit what you mean

444
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,639
Speaker 2: by what can you expect it? Three days, three weeks

445
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 2: and then three months.

446
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's the expectation for the dog and what

447
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 1: you should be doing is the adopter.

448
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,360
Speaker 3: So that three day rule is like keep.

449
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 1: Their world tiny, hand feeding them, getting them on a

450
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 1: crate schedule, and just letting them decompress to their surroundings

451
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 1: and to your neighborhood. Something is even like going on

452
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 1: the same routine for your walk. Just give them some

453
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 1: structure and consistency. Keep that throughout that three weeks, and

454
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 1: that's where it's like, you know, if your mother in

455
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 1: law wants to come over, or you want to have

456
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: a play date with one of your dog friends. Again,

457
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: just little by little introducing them and exposing them to

458
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 1: new situations and scenarios. And then it's really that three

459
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 1: month where you start to really see their true personality

460
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 1: come out and then adjust to that. You know, and

461
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 1: again I say it all the time, get out of

462
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 1: your own way for expectations of what these dogs are

463
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: going to be right, and what's in your head is

464
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: rarely what ends up being the dog in front of

465
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 1: you and being okay with that, and then adjusting to

466
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 1: what they need and whether that's you know, they do

467
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: need a create schedule because they're an anxious dog, or hey,

468
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: I have that rare jam of a dog that is

469
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: going to be good in a dog park and if

470
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 1: they're not like that's okay, you know, advocate and do

471
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: what's best for the dog that's in front of you.

472
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I from personal experience, you know, I have Oakley,

473
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 2: who's a Wags alum and he was actually one of

474
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 2: the dogs that Catherine rescued from Alabama, and he fits

475
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: that role perfectly. At three months, I was like, Okay,

476
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 2: here's you're obsessed with your ball still, but like you're

477
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: kind of decompressing, Like here's your personality and I can

478
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 2: see you're a lover, but you still won't really let

479
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 2: me petch you.

480
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

481
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 2: And now we're a year in and he like won't

482
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 2: get off my lap. But I mean it's just like

483
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: it takes a really long time. I mean, the PTSD

484
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: is real for these animals, and you really have to,

485
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 2: like you said, get out of your own way, sit back,

486
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 2: let them decompress in their their own timeline. And it's

487
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. I think with like each month and

488
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: each year that goes by, you like get to know

489
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: them and they they really start to let their guards down.

490
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Speaker 1: And even on like the flip side of Oakley, it's like, Okay,

491
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: we was a like ball driven like prey drive like

492
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: let's go.

493
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 3: And you had to be like pump the braids.

494
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then there's the other dogs that are really

495
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: nervous and they're shy, and we have this like desire

496
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: to baby that right, and I deeply understand that desire.

497
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: It is not helpful to that dog, right, you know

498
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: that can Now we're going to resource guard mom because

499
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: Mom's my safe space, right, and that structure though challenging.

500
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: I just sent my dog to a tweak board and

501
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: train and just trying to like get him back on track.

502
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: And because Moose is so squishy and soft and sweet,

503
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 1: it's so easy to be like, oh, I'll let you

504
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: in the couch, I'll let you in the bad I'll

505
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: let you do what, literally whatever you want because I

506
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: love you. But like you got to show love in

507
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: different ways.

508
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little tough love goes a long way. I

509
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: preach that structure. They want structure, Yeah, they thrive off

510
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: of it.

511
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Speaker 1: And it's so interesting that like humans just we really

512
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: struggle with with that.

513
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah really do we're suckers? Yeah?

514
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Speaker 1: Well, like I say, we're like grandparents, like we just

515
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: even though like the parenting should be stricter, I want

516
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: to always act like the grandparents.

517
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 3: I'm like, let it be a free for all.

518
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: No bedtime, whatever snacks you want. Yeah, that's very true.

519
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: One thing that I hear my clients say a lot

520
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: is and I actually one time had a situation where

521
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: people will say, gosh, I want to adopt, but it's

522
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of prerequisites, and I got denied.

523
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: I actually once when I was in Chicago, got tonight

524
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: because I didn't have a fence in my backyard. And

525
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: people get really frustrated with that. What do you say

526
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: to that.

527
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: I understand both sides of it. I've been on both

528
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: sides of it as well. I think I would have

529
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: been turned down to adopt Jacks because of my age and.

530
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Speaker 3: Like, what do you mean You're moving to LA in

531
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: three weeks? Like how is it hit? I'm like, I

532
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: don't know. I'll figure it out though.

533
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: So I understand that a lot of rescues are either

534
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: volunteer run and they're so fearful of like putting a

535
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Speaker 1: dog in a situation that's not going to be good

536
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: for them. And I get that, But if the end

537
00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: goal is that adoption is the standard, know then people

538
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: we want people to stop buying dogs, then again, we

539
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: have to get out of our own way, right, So

540
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: I think WAX isn't a good job at balancing that

541
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: and having our adoption program be thorough but not judgmental

542
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: or having too many barriers. So when we ask you,

543
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, how many kids you have and how old

544
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: are they and what's your schedule, it's not to be

545
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: like finding reasons to not give you a dog. It's

546
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: to find the best dog that we can matchmake you with. Yes,

547
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: So I think finding rescues if you're you know, someone

548
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: from the public, look into their policies, look into their process,

549
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: and try to be open minded that if you don't

550
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: have a great experience and you do feel like the backyard,

551
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: that's something that like just it's also expensive, you know,

552
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: like there are people that can be great dog owners,

553
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: but like putting up a ten thousand dollars fence or

554
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: their ha doesn't let them like is not the reason

555
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: right that they shouldn't be able to have a dog.

556
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: And then it's on the rescue to find you the

557
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: right dog, right, you know, like no, I'm I going

558
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: to maybe give you.

559
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: Like a husky, probably not.

560
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about why I'm not going to

561
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: give you a husky, yeah, and just finding dogs that

562
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: fit lifestyles. And I think our option team crushes it

563
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: with that. I think I think it's it's fun for

564
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: them to be able to get on the phone and

565
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: hear about people and.

566
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: And then the right the perfect match that's going to

567
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: be a life, lifelong match.

568
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully, hopefully.

569
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Speaker 2: Another thing that a lot of my clients will say is, oh, gosh,

570
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: like I I really want to rescue. It seems so wonderful,

571
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: but I'm really looking for this particular breed like a

572
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: Golden Retriever or a husky and and or my husband

573
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: has allergies. I'm looking for something that doesn't shed. So

574
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: what do you say to that? Yeah, we joke about

575
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: it internally a lot, like it's hard. You know, people

576
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: are like, I want the great trained, potty trained seven

577
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: pound Maltese that does not shed, and we're like, okay,

578
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: like you and the rest of the world. Right that

579
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: being said, I think the state of rescue now in

580
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 2: particularly in the South, those dogs are like not very

581
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: few invar between anymore. So I think it's the keyest

582
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: patience And I mean me and you both know, the

583
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 2: hypoergenic thing like has gotten a little bit out of

584
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: hand with like the cross breeding of the doodles. That

585
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: if you're going to breed a Bernice Mountain dog in

586
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: a poodle like that does not mean your puppy is

587
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: going to be hYP don't from these breeders. That being said,

588
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: I do understand that there are people that want dogs

589
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: that look a certain way or you know, are on

590
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: the lower shedding side of things. And with the doodle craze,

591
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: we're now seeing the come down of that. And that

592
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: means there's so many of them in shelters. Over the

593
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: last couple of months, we've taken in well over fifty.

594
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: That is insane.

595
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: It's insane.

596
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Speaker 1: And we're one rescue, right, Like, we're not even just

597
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: the one rescue in Nashville, Like, there's so many rescues everywhere.

598
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: And I have.

599
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: Friends that work in shelters and rescues across the United States.

600
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: They're saying the same thing. So it's okay if you

601
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: want a certain breed, but please know that there's to

602
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: be rested. They are out there, puppies adults. Last week

603
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: we had two standard poodles surrendered and I'm like, what's

604
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: going on? And they're good dogs, you know. So it's just, yeah,

605
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: everyone can find the dog that they want rescue.

606
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: And I think what you just said is they are

607
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: good dogs. I think people think, well, gosh, why are

608
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: they in a rescue, like what did they do?

609
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: Or why did their owner give them up?

610
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: And a lot of times it's just whether it's financial

611
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: or medical. Like people, it doesn't mean that there's anything

612
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: wrong with the dog. It can be the circumstance of

613
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: their previous owner. And so, yeah, I personally think there's

614
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: they are the best and they deserve that second chance.

615
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the misconception that dogs are in shelters

616
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: because of behavior or anything that they've done is largely false.

617
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: The average age of a shelter dog.

618
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Oh, excuse you, come here, he says, I own this set.

619
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Speaker 3: Now Jack's come he says, this is Mavid's office.

620
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the idea that dogs are in shelters

621
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: because of behavior is largely false. It's mostly due to

622
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: life circumstances of the person and also just that they're

623
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: old dogs or discarded and damaged. And the average age

624
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: of a shelter dog is under one years old. And

625
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: so whether you're looking for a puppy, a one year

626
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: old a three year old, they're probably not in the shelter.

627
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: And also they have to go through a behavioral assessment

628
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: at the shelter to be on the adoption floor. Right, So,

629
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: even though rescues have more resources to learn more about

630
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: the dog, if you're seeing a dog at the shelter.

631
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: It's because it's yeah, it's a friendly dog.

632
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not for every single person, but overall. Yeah,

633
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: So you know, clearly there are pure breads in rescue,

634
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: so many, but I would say a large majority of

635
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: them are pitbulls or do have piple in them.

636
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: And you know, pit bulls get a really bad rap.

637
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: I know you're an advocate for them. What what do

638
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: you say to that?

639
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be a seven day podcast of live

640
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: streaming consciousness for me. But I mean, yeah, I think

641
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: the one thing is is the identifying even of what

642
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: a piple is and like what that even means. And

643
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: there was a study done where you know, if you

644
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: were to show people a picture of ten Golden retrievers,

645
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: everyone's going to be able to identify the golden retriever

646
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: and the DNA test is going to match, right, like

647
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: you know what the golden looks like you know what

648
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: a French bulldog looks like a pug et, cetera. But

649
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: then when you're showing people, hey, these are x amount

650
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: of pippules labeled in shelters and showing people the photos,

651
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: they're so misidentified across the board.

652
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: So if you can't.

653
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Even visually say what a piple is, they're like how

654
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: then it gets so convoluted when you're talking about bites

655
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: and aggressiveness and this, Yeah, because everything can almost be

656
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: a pit bull, right, like anything with a blocky head

657
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: and short hair, right, and.

658
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: Really alters the statistics.

659
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: Greatly to the point that they become irrelevant, right, And

660
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, and then you even go into like economic

661
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: status of like what's even getting reported, right, So like

662
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: two people that are wealthy and they're burn a doodle

663
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: bite someone that's not getting reported. That's not going to

664
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: make any headlines. It's not interestingly enough, Like the narrative

665
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: is that pipples are bad right now, So that's that's

666
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: a whole thing on its own of even be able

667
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: to identify them. And then even on the flip side,

668
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, we have so many adopters that love wisdom,

669
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: panels and embark and these things and then they're adopting

670
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: dogs that don't look like a pity at all, right,

671
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: and then their DNA tests come back and they're like

672
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: forty percent American Staffshire Terrier.

673
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: Like, would you have adopted that dog?

674
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 4: Right?

675
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: If I told you it was, like, hopefully the.

676
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: Answer is yes, but realistically the answer might be no. Right,

677
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: So I am not naive enough to think that every

678
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: single person's going to want to pipple. Like there are

679
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: certain breeds and types of dogs, like I like big dogs.

680
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: I probably ever own a Shitzu. Probably not right, But

681
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: get out of your own way, right, don't let your

682
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: own biases prevent you from an opportunity of finding a

683
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: really wonderful match. Yeah, that's why I always encourage fostering.

684
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: There are tons of people that will foster a pity,

685
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: but like say, they won't adopt one, and then the

686
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: conversion rate.

687
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: To foster fails.

688
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: You're like, oh see, yeah, and you know, just at

689
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: minimum offering what they offer us, and that's unconditional love

690
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: and an open heart. And I just I go to

691
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: shelters very very often, and it's just the correlation's really

692
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: not there, right, not even from my own personal experiences.

693
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: I truly dive into the research and the stats of

694
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: like what's going on, and they're wonderful family dogs.

695
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: Right, And yeah, well I can tell you from having

696
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: I have a lot of experience for against the bulls

697
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: at the clinic, and I would take them over the

698
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: tiny little chihuahua that's trying to eat me alive every

699
00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: single day.

700
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's so fascinating that, like I never

701
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: want to then breed by us another groups of course,

702
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: but then like just I own a chuaha, so oh,

703
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm a big shuahua up there. But like cattle dogs

704
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: for example, you know, like you don't hear cattle dog slander,

705
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, we always joke about that, and the restue

706
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: of like yeah, the statistics of them being able to

707
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: like nip your kids if they're not getting enough mental

708
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: stimulation is so much higher, I know. And then you

709
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: want to talk about some breeds that were like are

710
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: still truly bred for certain things, right that you know,

711
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a pit bull and it's like, well,

712
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: what was happening in the eighteen hundreds, l eighteen hundreds

713
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: to now is like they're not that's so convoluted in

714
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: their DNA, But like it's not for a border Collie,

715
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: right and your two year old and a border Yeah.

716
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: He's trying to like herd him into the Yeah, it's uh.

717
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: It's again like just take dogs on face value of

718
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: the behavior that they're showing you, yeah, and and make

719
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: your decision based off of that. And I'm not saying

720
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: every piple is perfect, but yeah, most of them are.

721
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: They're big, squishy babies are okay, last not least. This

722
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with rescue. This is just something

723
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: that as your friend, I have noticed. And then I

724
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: love that you do. Your ability to narrate dogs. Oh yes,

725
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: like what they're thinking and how they talk is amazing.

726
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: Thank you.

727
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 2: You're sure you like the big bullies like Bubba.

728
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: Yes, so Boba dishes Baba and he is very strong,

729
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: but he's very sweet. He's going to come give you keyss. Yes,

730
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: yeah I have. I have a lot of different voices.

731
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: It's so amazing and it like fits them perfectly. So

732
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: Catherine will call me and be like, Okay, I went

733
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: to this house and we met this dog and he

734
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: was like, how you doing it? And I'm like, oh,

735
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: I can just like see him right now.

736
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: It's so bad when It's in the background of so

737
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: many shelter videos and like I just see can hear myself?

738
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, please mute that.

739
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: There's like this. Yeah, it's usually the big old pities

740
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: that I like to do it. Which, oh, but does

741
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: your widow dogs to you? You can't do a way

742
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: a bit of dat.

743
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: It's so amazing. Do your four dogs at home have

744
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: their own voice?

745
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: That? Yes?

746
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, like hear be Hery has no eyebrows.

747
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: Hue is a very large English bulldog with no eyes.

748
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: So he's mad.

749
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: Jeeve is better because he has like a deep broken

750
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: British accent for him. Yeah that's good, yeah, right, yeah,

751
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: you can see it and move. She's a little bit

752
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: more like I'm just a little slow. I don't think

753
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: a lot.

754
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 3: And JoJo's mad.

755
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: Jojoy's controls everything and she's a little feisty.

756
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: And there's Jack and there's the perfect one.

757
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: He's rolling around on the ground right now. For all

758
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: of you that can't see us, that's amazing.

759
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: Well, well thank you.

760
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: I don't think everyone would agree with you on that perspective, but.

761
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

762
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: I love it when you say that to me. I'm like, oh,

763
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: I can see this dog and now I get it. Well,

764
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming in rescue. I know

765
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: to you is very near and dear to your heart,

766
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: and it is also to me. So I think it's

767
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: really important to create awareness and most importantly for all

768
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: the listeners out there that want to adopt, just no

769
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: what to expect and a lot of times getting out

770
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: of our own way and just kind of letting them

771
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: come into their own I think it's so important. So

772
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming in and giving us your expert advice.

773
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me and giving a platform to

774
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: talk about why adoption should be the only option and

775
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: how there's just millions of wonderful dogs looking for their home.

776
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 4: You're so welcome, so awesome to have Katherine Harley Dall

777
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: on the podcast. And if you're listening and you are

778
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: interested in Wags and Walks, do not forget to go

779
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Speaker 4: follow them on social media at Wags and Walks Nashville,

780
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Speaker 4: and I promise you will be highly entertained and there's

781
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Speaker 4: so much great content on there and it just really

782
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 4: gives you an inside look at what the work that

783
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Speaker 4: they do.

784
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Speaker 3: So definitely go check them out.

785
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's certainly my favorite account that I follow

786
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Speaker 2: me too.

787
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: It can be very.

788
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Speaker 2: Dangerous, Yeah, for sure, adopt them all. But yeah, they're wonderful,

789
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: so definitely give them a like. They're often fundraising too

790
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: for a lot of sick animals, so check them out.

791
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just really helpful too because we have a

792
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 4: rescue at home and so many questions and answers in

793
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: that interview just I wish I had have had before

794
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 4: I actually had a rescue at home.

795
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 3: So super helpful. Good, that's the point. Now we get

796
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: to the fun part here we go, all right? Next

797
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: up we have paw and order.

798
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: Number one on the list this week is I, as

799
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: a pet owner, would never walk my dog on a

800
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: retractable leash.

801
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: They are the bane of my existence.

802
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: I think I speak for every veterinarian and dog trainer

803
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: and medical animal professional out there when I say this.

804
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: They just do not allow you to have any control

805
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: over your pet at all. That dreaded lock button. Inevitably

806
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: you're either locked up or it's not working, and then

807
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: the next thing you know, your dog is jumping on someone,

808
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: they're sniffing in other dogs, but you just you really

809
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: have no control. So I recommend throwing it in the

810
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: trash can, getting on Amazon and getting a regular four

811
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: six foot leash. Your pet will not know the difference.

812
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: They will be just as happy, and you will have

813
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: exponentially more control as a pet owner. So no more

814
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: retractable leashes, please, I beg you please.

815
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: I'm not even a vet, but like when I'm walking

816
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: my dog down the street and someone comes towards me

817
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: on a retractable leash, I'm like, oh, no, yeah, because

818
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: like we're gonna get tangled.

819
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, you're gonna get tangled. And it seems

820
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: like a great idea. You're like, yes, my dog has

821
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of freedom, but they're not off leash.

822
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: But really, it ultimately ends up your dog's walking you

823
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: and you're not walking your dog, and.

824
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: That's not fun for anyone. Maybe it's because I had

825
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: horses growing up like you. I want to have control

826
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 4: of you. Yeah, exactly, walking a horse on our retractable leish.

827
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: No, I would not be good.

828
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: Okay, So no retractable leishes, guys, Yes, what's next.

829
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: Next on the list we have? I would never leave

830
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: my small dog outside unattended. Really, I probably wouldn't leave

831
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: any of my dogs outside unattended for a long period

832
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: of time, but especially the small ones. I had a

833
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: patient who was scheduled to come in for her dental

834
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: procedure last week and mom called me and said I

835
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: have to cancel. And I said, oh no, what happened?

836
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 2: And she said, Sophie got beat up by a raccoon

837
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: in the yard. So the wildlife is real. It is

838
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: the wild West out there. We have, especially here in Nashville, coyotes, bobcats, raccoons,

839
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: and even hawks. They will target our small dogs.

840
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: I'm picturing the movie The Proposal with Sandra Bullock and

841
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: Pine Meddles with the little white dog.

842
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: That gets picked up. So, yeah, that is not a joke. No,

843
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: that's not just Hollywood. It happened.

844
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: It happens. I will say.

845
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: They're making these I don't know if they're cute or scary,

846
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: maybe a combination of both. They're making these little harnesses

847
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: with spikes on them. Oh my god, for you to

848
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: put onto your little dog. So if you are going

849
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: to leave them outside or you're worried about it, strap

850
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: them up, get them up in their gear because predators

851
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: are real.

852
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, please.

853
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: Don't buy spiky outfits for your thought about it, Like

854
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 4: my little chunky Chihuahua and a spike veest, I might

855
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: have to get one.

856
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: That is amazing all right, Last, but not least, I

857
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: would never not keep my pets on flea, tick and

858
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: heartworm prevention all year round. I'm going to do a

859
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: whole episode on this. But the weather is crazy all

860
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: across the country. Mosquitoes are not just out in the summertime,

861
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: and all it takes is one mosquito bite for our

862
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: pets to get heartworm disease, right, So I see them

863
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: end up with heartworm disease all year round, So prevention

864
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: is really important. And then I always say this sounds crazy,

865
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 2: but fleas are very smart. They know when it's going

866
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: to be really hot. They know and it's going to

867
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: be really cold, and they will hitch a ride on us,

868
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: and then they will hang out on our pets, particularly cats.

869
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: Fleas love cats.

870
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Our cat has had fleas before.

871
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was in like the period of time

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Speaker 4: when we missed, yes, the preventatives.

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Speaker 3: So and people don't you don't think about it.

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, it's cold out, there's no fleas or

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Speaker 2: mosquitos or ticks.

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Speaker 3: But telling you those fleas.

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Speaker 2: They have a high IQ and they're coming in on

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Speaker 2: your on your jackets and your shoes, and then you've

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Speaker 2: got fleas inside and it's all whole thing.

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Speaker 3: So keep them on prevention all year round because humans

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Speaker 3: you can get flea bites too, Yes, and they suck.

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Speaker 3: I've had it. It's not fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm excited for that episode because I feel like

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Speaker 4: I have so many questions for you about fleas and

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Speaker 4: tics and all that kind of stuff. So if you

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Speaker 4: also have a bunch of questions that you would like

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Speaker 4: to ask doctor Josie, you can do that in our

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Speaker 4: show notes. There's a link in there that you guys

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Speaker 4: can send in your questions and we will get to them.

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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna send one in because I have questions

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Speaker 4: about ticks. Yeah I need to ask you.

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Speaker 2: So yes, okay, yes, send them in all your questions

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Speaker 2: anything about anything generally wellness, we're sick, and then feel

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Speaker 2: free to message me on Instagram and give me a follow.

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Speaker 2: My Instagram handle is doctor Josie Vet. And then of

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Speaker 2: course be sure to like us anywhere that you listen

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Speaker 2: to your podcasts and subscribe.

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Speaker 4: All right, we'll see you guys next time in the

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Speaker 4: vet's office, school,