WEBVTT - Welcome Home Marc 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.640 Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:11.840 Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode number 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.320 one hundred and seven of the Native Lampod. Seven that 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.040 really matter because I joined then, but everybody else you 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.600 can count the first one hundred. Let us neither here 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.120 nor there. We're gonna give you all things. We're gonna 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.040 break them down, politics, culture, and we are your hosts. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.960 My name is Bocari Sellers. That is Angela Rye. That's 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.960 Andrew Gillham, and then Tiffany Cross is with us as well. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:36.839 Welcome home, y'all. How you feeling what's going on? 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.040 Welcome home. I'm so glad Andrews Mike is off during 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:41.720 his cross talk. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:46.480 That is amazing, Broke, I had to trade myself start 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:48.840 putting mute and keep cross talking. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.360 I do that too, just so you know you're not alone. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.960 I do that too. So today we have so much 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:58.520 to get into. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.120 We are joined by Mark Lamont Hill, who is our 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:07.360 good friend, our brother, an author, a tremendous international rights 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.520 expert and focuses very much on his work in Palestine. 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.040 But we have a great conversation with him coming up 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:13.440 for you all. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:13.760 Today. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.880 I got some other lighthearted moments, but I'm gonna guil 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:20.399 to my co hosts on their topics. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:25.520 I just jump. I was just listening. All right, you're. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.720 Still a co host even when you host him. Bruh, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:28.400 my bad. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.440 I was just trying to move things along. Y'all don't 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.200 always get that we got to get to them toime. 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:33.679 Well, let me pick up what you put down. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.800 I'll pick up what you put down, which is simply say, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:41.000 because we have Mark who is so dexterious when it 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:42.680 comes to topics and who to talk to and how 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.640 to talk to them, I'm very, very curious to get 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.960 his take on a few things. One, how we deal 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:55.640 with celebrities and other influencers who we sometimes put it 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.720 a disadvantage by recruiting them into issues that they may 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.600 not be ready for prime time for us. I'd like 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.080 to hear some of his thoughts on how we not 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:08.200 how we grow the followship without losing the integrity and 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:09.280 the seriousness of the work. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.200 So first, let me just say I have to step 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.720 out for a second, so you'll miss me for part 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.280 of the show. And I'm sad because I think I'm 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.640 going to miss the time when Mark is here, so 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.680 shout out to Mark. But I will get to experience 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.680 the Mark conversation like the audience does. I'm looking forward 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.120 to listening to that. And normally I like to yield 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.959 my time to viewer questions, but we did not get 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.720 any viewer questions this week. So I'm really excited just 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.600 to weigh in and jump in on what my co 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.240 hosts are talking about this week. And a reminder to 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.440 our viewers, please be sure to send in your questions comments, 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.640 even if it's a disagreement, because we like to hear 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:43.880 from you. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.840 We say welcome home with they thought we were off 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.120 this week. If so, they like, We'll wait. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.399 Over there trying to get those marshmallows for those candy insha. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:56.280 Breakfast. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.000 They were like, we went like marshmallows on our Yeah. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.360 I think honestly, when I go back and look at 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.600 the comments, I don't know if tiff has a fan 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.960 club or she has bots or whatever, but it's overwhelmingly 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.239 I could be like, yeah, I enjoy spending my time 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:12.280 with my kids this week. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.120 Well, Tiffany said, I'm like. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:22.800 Hey, Tiffany said, the Bitchies stands what with millions with millions? 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:24.480 So I do want to talk about uh. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.280 I wanted to talk about the Ranking County jail because 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.760 this shit bothered my spirit for the entire week. What 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:34.239 happened in Mississippi to an intellectually disabled man who was 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.200 in that jail. The story came out. Shout out to 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.000 our independent journalist and our local journalists who've been covering 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.920 those stories. But Ranking County Jail in Mississippi, it just 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.880 made me want to say Mississippi, Jesus. But we'll get 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.200 to that as we go through. This store is extremely sad, 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.560 and let's kick off the show. Let's have a good 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.520 time today. Where y'all want to start? I think we 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.200 should started in Nigeria. 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.920 Could we could start in Nigeria? But also I know 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.040 Andrew wants to talk to Mark about that. 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:03.560 I yeah, we didn't. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.240 I didn't say this, and we didn't have a production 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.680 call like normal. I really think we should talk about 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.480 this Trump and Donnie situation too, And I got again, 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.680 I got some lighter hearted things, but I really want 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:13.880 to talk about. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:14.360 What went there. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.159 We're picking up, Let's go down, because I know you 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.839 had my Donnie sitting there and the lights look bright. 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.880 But let's talk about what happened in that in that uh, 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.680 in that over office, meaning where there was a lot 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.880 of disrespect and a lot of a lot of wit 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.880 and a lot of things that happened that most people 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.000 probably didn't even pay attention to because we were moving 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:32.920 so fast last week. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:34.200 It is a Friday night, you know. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.520 Okay, so then let's roll this clip because this one 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.760 in particular has been troubling my soul. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.200 Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist? 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:50.120 I've spoken about That's okay, Okay, it's easier than explaining it. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.400 That don't so you know. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.719 I don't know, y'all. I grew up with an activist daddy. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.559 It could just be that I'm hyper sensitive to these things. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.920 But I really felt triggered by Donald Trump giving him 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.360 permission to call him a fascist and then patent the dude. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.120 I just really didn't like. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.279 That, and it felt it felt staged in a way 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.880 that really did not feel good. If you all didn't see, 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.360 Mumdannie was on with Kristen Welker on Meet the Press. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.400 She asked him if if he still thinks, I don't know, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.400 if we have that clip, if he still thinks that 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.039 Donald Trump is a fascist, and he affirms that he does. 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.920 Do you think that President Trump is a fascist? 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.360 And after President Trump said that, I said, yes, and 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.479 so you do. And that's something that I've said in 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.440 the past I say today. And I think what I 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.520 appreciated about the conversation that I had with the President 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.919 was that we were not shy about the places of 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.799 disagreement about the politics that has brought us to this moment. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.080 And we also wanted to focus on what it could 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.599 look like to deliver on a shared analysis of an 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.200 affordability crisis for New Yorkers. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:00.440 And so what I am troubled by in particular is 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.320 I do think that folks have to do what they 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.040 have to do to meet the needs of their constituents. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.320 When you're an executive, you have to meet with all 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.480 types of folks who don't necessarily agree with you and 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:16.520 may end up wanting to cause you harm. But I 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.640 don't like us making light of fascism. And I want 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.559 to bring your attention to the fact that just last 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:29.400 week before this meeting took place, Donald Trump was calling 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.679 for the death of members of Congress who put together 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.240 a social media clip that feels like an ad where 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.919 all of them are veterans have served in the military 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:45.120 in some way, and they talked about and urged military 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.719 personnel to not take illegal orders. It's something that in 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:55.680 ordinary circumstance, ordinary circumstances, a commander in chief right would 0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:01.800 agree with military personnel not taking illegal orders. This commander 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.479 in chief calls for the death of those members of 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:11.600 Congress who said don't follow unlawful orders. The very next day, 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.640 mayor mayor elect, Mam Donnie is meeting with Donald Trump. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.680 He's being padded to say it's okay to call him 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.560 a fascion, goes on meet the press and calls him 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:21.960 a fascist. But fascism is anything to play with. So 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.280 I just want to put that out there. That's something 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:25.360 that was bothering myself. 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.280 Who are you suggesting is planned with fashion? 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:28.360 Like? 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:29.280 Who's taking it lightly? 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.840 That's what I'm oh, I'm so sorry. Let me try again. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.920 So when Donnie met with Donald Trump, when they did 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.280 the press conference after the meeting, Donald Trump. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.640 Is yeah, yeah, I know, I'm look. 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.000 I guess I'm saying specifically, though, who are you saying 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:47.000 was treating fashion like? 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.400 Is Trump the one you're saying was treating fashion? 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.640 He probably is, But what I'm saying is when you're 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.000 when you're playing it looks like you're playing foot seat 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.520 with the fascist, when it looks like you're sitting there 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:57.920 engaging in a way. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.160 You're saying, Donnie, it looked to you like man, Donnie 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:02.400 was playing foot See. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.080 What I'm saying is, Mom, Donnie looked like they were 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:06.760 buddy buddy. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:07.800 It looked very chummy. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.240 You looked there about the optics basically looked unseerious and 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.080 maybe a little playful for the moment that we are, 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:15.680 you know what was happening that day? 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.640 I mean, also, can I just give can I give 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.200 like a fifty thousand foot view context real quick? Before 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.280 before y'all jump back into the discussion, many people need 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.680 to realize that the Mayor of New York and Andrew 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.760 probably speaks to this better than anybody. The Mayor of 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.320 New York is a very unique position because one of 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.160 the things that the mayor actually has to get from 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:40.080 this White House is a top seity, top secret security clearance. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.719 And so by having that top secret security clearance, he 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.520 has to go through in order to actually serve his constituents, 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.640 he has to go through this White House. And that's 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.199 one of the reasons that the meeting actually happened. He 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.360 actually had to go there and perverbiably kiss the ring 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.920 so that Donald Trump would have his And that's unfortunate. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.680 Now you're playing with people's lives literally, but so that 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.120 Donald Trump would not because they said that this would 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.240 be a big issue for his Department of Justice whether 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.360 or not Mam Donnie was able to complete the security 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.839 vet and actually get his top secret security clearer. So 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.000 I just wanted to say that there there was an 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.720 overarching purpose for the mayor elect to be there. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:20.560 Uh. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.040 And the optics were what they were, So I'll let 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.080 y'all chime in from there, but I wanted our listeners 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:26.600 to understand what that purpose was. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:28.400 Yeah, but Cary, you're right. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:33.120 I mean the relationship with New York and the federal government, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:38.080 largely in the counter terrorism space, policing and counter terrorism 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:43.960 space is significant, to put it mildly, and the city 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.400 of New York depends heavily on those dollars coming through 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.480 to keep its hell near military you know, uh size 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:56.120 police department and other counter terrorism you know forces you 0:09:56.120 --> 0:10:00.800 know up tip top top notch. Answer to your original point, 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:06.360 you know, these are tough, right, because Trump and his 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.920 little sidekick, I'm so glad Vance wouldn't nowhere to be found, 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:16.040 because you know, from international leaders to national leaders here 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.760 in the country to governors. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.640 I haven't seen many sit downs with mayors. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.720 This may have been the first I observed in this 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.880 second administration under Trump. You know, they have a pension 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.480 for really getting quite froggy in those meetings. They work 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.840 to the embarrassment of the people who they who they 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:43.280 don't like. They you remember how they treated Zelensky when 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:44.960 he came to the White House. I mean it was 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:49.720 a full fledged you know battle Royale with with little 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:54.040 Mickey mouse man Advance, you know, playing you know, get them, go, 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.600 get them, go, get them, you know roll. So it's 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.600 a difficult thing to choreograph. What I felt about it 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:05.439 was me meme Donnie did not actually have to say 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.400 many flattering things about Trump. Trump kind of went out 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.400 of his way flattering this guy. You know, he's a 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.840 good guy. Would you feel safe in New York if 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.760 if he were I would feel safe absolutely, And we're 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:19.559 going to make sure. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:20.160 That he's successful. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.720 So it actually turned in a direction that I didn't 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.400 fully participate anticipate, but I also did not expect it 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.520 to be a bad meeting, publicly facing meeting for them, because, 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.240 in the truth of the spirit, mem Donnie came in 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:39.360 basically the winner. Trump has been licking his wounds all week, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.480 getting set back after setback, and he kind of needed 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:47.280 to gravitate to some to some winner energy. And I 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.079 think I think, I think the Mayor elect really kind 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.280 of walked away the winner out of that. Meaning, if 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.000 I were being politically cynical and analytical about it, I 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.720 would say he kind of walked away not having had 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.720 to contradict himself, not having had to flatter the president, 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.080 but to simply stay in his lane and say, any 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.120 we look forward to working together on anything that improves 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.000 the lives and affordability of everyday New Yorkers. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.640 That's not a bad giveaway for a meeting with Donald Trump. 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.560 I hear you, Andrew. I agree with what you're saying. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.240 I'll say part of my frustration with this whole thing 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.880 was the attention paid to it, the attention paid to 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.680 this question when Kristen Welker asked him on Meet the 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.920 Press one. This is precisely why you don't hear people, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.480 you know, talking every week's like, oh my god, did 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.240 you hear what happened on Meet the Press? Because they 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.760 ask questions that most people are not focused on. They 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.000 traffic and inside the beltwig gossip and want to pit 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.760 this person against that person. When the mayor, the incoming 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.680 mayor was asked, does he think Donald Trump is a fascist? 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.080 In the Oval Office? He answered yes. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.360 You hear him say yes to the reporter, even after 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.000 Donald Trump saying, oh, you don't have to answer, and 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.520 he says yes. When Kristin Welker has him, he said yes. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.400 Of all of the things that they could have spent 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:13.400 time discussing, this seems the most trivial to me, quite honest. However, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:19.480 I do struggle as well with the imagery of being 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.720 in the space with Donald Trump. I didn't walk away 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.800 with that impression from Mandanie. I do think even as 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.959 Trump has turned the Oval Office in the White House 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.760 into you know, waffle house. 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.719 Meet, that was disrespectful. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.079 I like, he's. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:50.360 But he's disrespectful to the White House. And I applaud 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.679 people who can conduct themselves with a level of professionalism 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.120 in decorum in the face of toddlers who find that, 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.600 you know, incapable and find themselves in caple of doing that, 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.199 and he does that routinely as the president of the 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.040 United States. So I actually appreciate it that he looked 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.199 like the adult in the situation. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:09.560 I didn't receive. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.040 It like he was being friendly or with fascism, or 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.840 taking it lightly or playing foot seet with him. I 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:19.320 don't receive him as someone who is a coward either. 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.960 Like I think, as I've said before, I think Donald 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:27.040 Trump is, you know, the beach in this situation, most situations, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.360 I think macdani looked like an adult, and of everything 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.720 happening in New York. I just think of the politics 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:38.120 of this situation, this tiny thing that beltleyh media has 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.480 tried to make into a thing like ooh, look at 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.200 this thing with Trump and Mandanni. It just doesn't seem 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.000 as important to what most people are experiencing. But I 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.880 think your point, Angela maybe a larger one about people 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:55.320 normalizing what's happening, or people treating this president as though 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.960 he's a normal president when he's anything but So I 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:03.120 think my takeaway is I would focus me. I want 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.320 to focus on what you talked about, of him calling 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.200 Democrats seditionists, of him threatening death, and people are just 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.800 kind of going about like well, President posted on social 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.120 media that you know, these democrats would be killed as 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.880 though that's normal, like we have to meet it with outrage. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.880 I don't think that's necessarily Mundanni's position, but I do 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.400 decry that that should be the media's position and the 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.480 fact that they're asking about ooh, but he said jo 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.160 Mama was ugly and stupid shit like that. You do 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.680 feel like, why don't you ask about the real things 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.360 happening in this country that actual people? 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.400 And they got it, yes, and that is I think 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.880 they both delivered on that point. The theater of it all, 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.080 like even you know where he was standing. Again, I 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.080 didn't even like the fact that Donald Trump hadded him. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.280 If I heard Trump's statement to him differently, I think 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.280 I heard him say it's okay, you can go ahead 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.000 and say yes, and then Mendanni said yes. 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.200 Then when they look at the transcript, that's what it says. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.920 But to your point, started though not to say he 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.280 wasn't backing away he was. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.760 I'm not even suggested on this, Yeah, I'm not suggesting 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:09.080 he was. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.680 Donald Trump intervened to tell him it's okay to call 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.080 me a fascist, right, and I think that is also 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:17.240 something worth noting. 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:18.240 To me. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.600 That is a big deal because it goes right to 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.600 the point of what he said about those members of Congress. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.880 That is what fascists do. They call for the death 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:31.080 of their political enemies. They persecute and prosecute their political enemies. 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.400 Now here's the part that blows my mind. And I'm 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.520 sure you guys are probably tired of talking about this too. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:42.320 But on the day before the meeting as well, the 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:49.080 House Representatives takes a vote House Resolution fifty eight eighty 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:53.240 six Democrats vote with one hundred and ninety nine Republicans 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.960 to condemn socialism. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:58.520 I didn't even see that. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.800 Yes, they can go and the Republicans for forty five 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:07.160 days and they give back to DC, given all Americans 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:08.720 are going through and they wanted to talk about some 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:09.520 damn socialisms. 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.280 But I want to be clear about why they took 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.480 this vote. Mam Donnie was meeting with Donald Trump the 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.520 next day. So my issue is, like I'm mad at 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:18.800 everybody right now, y'all. 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.639 But guess what, Donald Trump took the wins out of 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.480 that sale and a whole bunch of other sales, but 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.160 through his conduct. 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.640 In that meeting, I mean his over effusive. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.760 Yeah, I just want to say he everything that they've 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:37.199 done Republicans. They spent millions calling this guy everything but 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.720 a child of God. In New York at least the 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.320 fonic is running for what governor, and she put a 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.840 bunch of money, you know, against them, trying to paint 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.320 everybody as mandonna and Trump by his full what I 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.960 felt was a full throw, a throttle endorsement of the man. 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.879 We're gonna make him successful. No, I don't mean he's that. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.240 It was a campaign. You say, a lot of things 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.639 joined the campaign, right. He basically toot the wins out 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.719 of the sale of any ad that Republicans can cut 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.399 against Democrats and the mid term based on their mayor, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:14.520 Mam Donnie's embrace goes torpedo because we can simply put 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.879 up Trump embracing him with a full bear hug. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.879 I guess all I'm saying is it is rich to me. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.200 And it was actually the day of his arrival that 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:33.240 they could condemn socialism. Where is the goddamn vote condemning fascism? Seriously, 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.360 this man identifies as a democratic socialist. He was clear 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.359 about it, even in the press or after the meeting 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.040 was over, so that what we're privy to the public 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.960 statement that we're privy to. He says, I'm a democratic socialist. 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.639 You know, I've basically hitched my wagon too affordability issues. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.359 That's something we agreed on in this meeting. 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.720 These people are so tone deaf in the House of Representatives. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.960 I'm specifically speaking to the eighty six Democrats, including Democratic leadership, 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.359 that you think it is more important to do to 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:08.640 condemn socialism than fascism. And again he said the day 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.800 before that he wanted to call for it to be 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.360 prosecuted for treason and that is punishable by my dad. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:16.879 What are we talking about? 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.240 I would just say it's all kind of kabooki theater, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.440 like it's simple, you know, like it's who cares about? 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.640 To me, these votes have no real tangible consequence. There 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.440 is no what does it do? Like, what is this 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.520 so you condemned social Let's say they took a vote 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:36.080 on condemning fascism. Again, this is all performative outrage to 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.879 me about something these like just the same way that 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:40.719 it's these invented culture wars. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:42.720 So even if they had taken. 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.400 A vote and everybody in in Congress and the Upper 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.919 Chamber and the lower tamper. Yes, we condemned fascism or 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.320 we condemned socialism. Okay, who gives a shit? What exactly 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.480 are you guys, like, what specific policies are you implementing 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.760 or are you fighting that's going to have a direct 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.760 tangible impact on the American people? And so far all 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:02.399 of the things that they are pushing seem to have 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.800 an adverse impact on the American people. 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:05.600 Which is I think. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.560 I think that's why the mayor was refreshing. He this 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.160 man came to advocate for his people. 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:13.400 He talked about affordable housing. 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.160 He talked about turning those buildings that are in New 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.280 York that are vacant with with with these high ass 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.320 rent prices into residential I mean, he was actually this 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.520 was the refreshing part of him, is that this man 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:27.119 was meeting a. 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.560 Trump gave him permission or not, of course if he's not. 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.320 Agree No, I was just I was saying that I 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:38.280 kind of agree with you about the theater at the moment. 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.919 And sometimes sometimes we get caught up. And that's what 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.080 Trump does extremely well. He creates TV, he creates imagery 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.399 because he knows that we will chase that it's like 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.080