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Speaker 1: My name is Bocari Sellers. That is Angela Rye. That's
Speaker 1: Andrew Gillham, and then Tiffany Cross is with us as well.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. How you feeling what's going on?
Speaker 2: Welcome home. I'm so glad Andrews Mike is off during
Speaker 2: his cross talk.
Speaker 3: That is amazing, Broke, I had to trade myself start
Speaker 3: putting mute and keep cross talking.
Speaker 4: I do that too, just so you know you're not alone.
Speaker 4: I do that too. So today we have so much
Speaker 4: to get into.
Speaker 2: We are joined by Mark Lamont Hill, who is our
Speaker 2: good friend, our brother, an author, a tremendous international rights
Speaker 2: expert and focuses very much on his work in Palestine.
Speaker 2: But we have a great conversation with him coming up
Speaker 2: for you all.
Speaker 4: Today.
Speaker 2: I got some other lighthearted moments, but I'm gonna guil
Speaker 2: to my co hosts on their topics.
Speaker 5: I just jump. I was just listening. All right, you're.
Speaker 6: Still a co host even when you host him. Bruh,
Speaker 6: my bad.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to move things along. Y'all don't
Speaker 2: always get that we got to get to them toime.
Speaker 6: Well, let me pick up what you put down.
Speaker 3: I'll pick up what you put down, which is simply say,
Speaker 3: because we have Mark who is so dexterious when it
Speaker 3: comes to topics and who to talk to and how
Speaker 3: to talk to them, I'm very, very curious to get
Speaker 3: his take on a few things. One, how we deal
Speaker 3: with celebrities and other influencers who we sometimes put it
Speaker 3: a disadvantage by recruiting them into issues that they may
Speaker 3: not be ready for prime time for us. I'd like
Speaker 3: to hear some of his thoughts on how we not
Speaker 3: how we grow the followship without losing the integrity and
Speaker 3: the seriousness of the work.
Speaker 7: So first, let me just say I have to step
Speaker 7: out for a second, so you'll miss me for part
Speaker 7: of the show. And I'm sad because I think I'm
Speaker 7: going to miss the time when Mark is here, so
Speaker 7: shout out to Mark. But I will get to experience
Speaker 7: the Mark conversation like the audience does. I'm looking forward
Speaker 7: to listening to that. And normally I like to yield
Speaker 7: my time to viewer questions, but we did not get
Speaker 7: any viewer questions this week. So I'm really excited just
Speaker 7: to weigh in and jump in on what my co
Speaker 7: hosts are talking about this week. And a reminder to
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Speaker 7: even if it's a disagreement, because we like to hear
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Speaker 6: We say welcome home with they thought we were off
Speaker 6: this week. If so, they like, We'll wait.
Speaker 1: Over there trying to get those marshmallows for those candy insha.
Speaker 6: Breakfast.
Speaker 4: They were like, we went like marshmallows on our Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think honestly, when I go back and look at
Speaker 1: the comments, I don't know if tiff has a fan
Speaker 1: club or she has bots or whatever, but it's overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: I could be like, yeah, I enjoy spending my time
Speaker 1: with my kids this week.
Speaker 5: Well, Tiffany said, I'm like.
Speaker 3: Hey, Tiffany said, the Bitchies stands what with millions with millions?
Speaker 5: So I do want to talk about uh.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the Ranking County jail because
Speaker 1: this shit bothered my spirit for the entire week. What
Speaker 1: happened in Mississippi to an intellectually disabled man who was
Speaker 1: in that jail. The story came out. Shout out to
Speaker 1: our independent journalist and our local journalists who've been covering
Speaker 1: those stories. But Ranking County Jail in Mississippi, it just
Speaker 1: made me want to say Mississippi, Jesus. But we'll get
Speaker 1: to that as we go through. This store is extremely sad,
Speaker 1: and let's kick off the show. Let's have a good
Speaker 1: time today. Where y'all want to start? I think we
Speaker 1: should started in Nigeria.
Speaker 2: Could we could start in Nigeria? But also I know
Speaker 2: Andrew wants to talk to Mark about that.
Speaker 4: I yeah, we didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't say this, and we didn't have a production
Speaker 2: call like normal. I really think we should talk about
Speaker 2: this Trump and Donnie situation too, And I got again,
Speaker 2: I got some lighter hearted things, but I really want
Speaker 2: to talk about.
Speaker 4: What went there.
Speaker 1: We're picking up, Let's go down, because I know you
Speaker 1: had my Donnie sitting there and the lights look bright.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about what happened in that in that uh,
Speaker 1: in that over office, meaning where there was a lot
Speaker 1: of disrespect and a lot of a lot of wit
Speaker 1: and a lot of things that happened that most people
Speaker 1: probably didn't even pay attention to because we were moving
Speaker 1: so fast last week.
Speaker 6: It is a Friday night, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, so then let's roll this clip because this one
Speaker 2: in particular has been troubling my soul.
Speaker 8: Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?
Speaker 9: I've spoken about That's okay, Okay, it's easier than explaining it.
Speaker 4: That don't so you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, y'all. I grew up with an activist daddy.
Speaker 2: It could just be that I'm hyper sensitive to these things.
Speaker 2: But I really felt triggered by Donald Trump giving him
Speaker 2: permission to call him a fascist and then patent the dude.
Speaker 4: I just really didn't like.
Speaker 2: That, and it felt it felt staged in a way
Speaker 2: that really did not feel good. If you all didn't see,
Speaker 2: Mumdannie was on with Kristen Welker on Meet the Press.
Speaker 2: She asked him if if he still thinks, I don't know,
Speaker 2: if we have that clip, if he still thinks that
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a fascist, and he affirms that he does.
Speaker 10: Do you think that President Trump is a fascist?
Speaker 9: And after President Trump said that, I said, yes, and
Speaker 9: so you do. And that's something that I've said in
Speaker 9: the past I say today. And I think what I
Speaker 9: appreciated about the conversation that I had with the President
Speaker 9: was that we were not shy about the places of
Speaker 9: disagreement about the politics that has brought us to this moment.
Speaker 9: And we also wanted to focus on what it could
Speaker 9: look like to deliver on a shared analysis of an
Speaker 9: affordability crisis for New Yorkers.
Speaker 2: And so what I am troubled by in particular is
Speaker 2: I do think that folks have to do what they
Speaker 2: have to do to meet the needs of their constituents.
Speaker 2: When you're an executive, you have to meet with all
Speaker 2: types of folks who don't necessarily agree with you and
Speaker 2: may end up wanting to cause you harm. But I
Speaker 2: don't like us making light of fascism. And I want
Speaker 2: to bring your attention to the fact that just last
Speaker 2: week before this meeting took place, Donald Trump was calling
Speaker 2: for the death of members of Congress who put together
Speaker 2: a social media clip that feels like an ad where
Speaker 2: all of them are veterans have served in the military
Speaker 2: in some way, and they talked about and urged military
Speaker 2: personnel to not take illegal orders. It's something that in
Speaker 2: ordinary circumstance, ordinary circumstances, a commander in chief right would
Speaker 2: agree with military personnel not taking illegal orders. This commander
Speaker 2: in chief calls for the death of those members of
Speaker 2: Congress who said don't follow unlawful orders. The very next day,
Speaker 2: mayor mayor elect, Mam Donnie is meeting with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: He's being padded to say it's okay to call him
Speaker 2: a fascion, goes on meet the press and calls him
Speaker 2: a fascist. But fascism is anything to play with. So
Speaker 2: I just want to put that out there. That's something
Speaker 2: that was bothering myself.
Speaker 11: Who are you suggesting is planned with fashion?
Speaker 12: Like?
Speaker 11: Who's taking it lightly?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm oh, I'm so sorry. Let me try again.
Speaker 2: So when Donnie met with Donald Trump, when they did
Speaker 2: the press conference after the meeting, Donald Trump.
Speaker 11: Is yeah, yeah, I know, I'm look.
Speaker 7: I guess I'm saying specifically, though, who are you saying
Speaker 7: was treating fashion like?
Speaker 11: Is Trump the one you're saying was treating fashion?
Speaker 2: He probably is, But what I'm saying is when you're
Speaker 2: when you're playing it looks like you're playing foot seat
Speaker 2: with the fascist, when it looks like you're sitting there
Speaker 2: engaging in a way.
Speaker 7: You're saying, Donnie, it looked to you like man, Donnie
Speaker 7: was playing foot See.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, Mom, Donnie looked like they were
Speaker 2: buddy buddy.
Speaker 4: It looked very chummy.
Speaker 3: You looked there about the optics basically looked unseerious and
Speaker 3: maybe a little playful for the moment that we are,
Speaker 3: you know what was happening that day?
Speaker 1: I mean, also, can I just give can I give
Speaker 1: like a fifty thousand foot view context real quick? Before
Speaker 1: before y'all jump back into the discussion, many people need
Speaker 1: to realize that the Mayor of New York and Andrew
Speaker 1: probably speaks to this better than anybody. The Mayor of
Speaker 1: New York is a very unique position because one of
Speaker 1: the things that the mayor actually has to get from
Speaker 1: this White House is a top seity, top secret security clearance.
Speaker 1: And so by having that top secret security clearance, he
Speaker 1: has to go through in order to actually serve his constituents,
Speaker 1: he has to go through this White House. And that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that the meeting actually happened. He
Speaker 1: actually had to go there and perverbiably kiss the ring
Speaker 1: so that Donald Trump would have his And that's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Now you're playing with people's lives literally, but so that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump would not because they said that this would
Speaker 1: be a big issue for his Department of Justice whether
Speaker 1: or not Mam Donnie was able to complete the security
Speaker 1: vet and actually get his top secret security clearer. So
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that there there was an
Speaker 1: overarching purpose for the mayor elect to be there.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And the optics were what they were, So I'll let
Speaker 1: y'all chime in from there, but I wanted our listeners
Speaker 1: to understand what that purpose was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but Cary, you're right.
Speaker 3: I mean the relationship with New York and the federal government,
Speaker 3: largely in the counter terrorism space, policing and counter terrorism
Speaker 3: space is significant, to put it mildly, and the city
Speaker 3: of New York depends heavily on those dollars coming through
Speaker 3: to keep its hell near military you know, uh size
Speaker 3: police department and other counter terrorism you know forces you
Speaker 3: know up tip top top notch. Answer to your original point,
Speaker 3: you know, these are tough, right, because Trump and his
Speaker 3: little sidekick, I'm so glad Vance wouldn't nowhere to be found,
Speaker 3: because you know, from international leaders to national leaders here
Speaker 3: in the country to governors.
Speaker 6: I haven't seen many sit downs with mayors.
Speaker 3: This may have been the first I observed in this
Speaker 3: second administration under Trump. You know, they have a pension
Speaker 3: for really getting quite froggy in those meetings. They work
Speaker 3: to the embarrassment of the people who they who they
Speaker 3: don't like. They you remember how they treated Zelensky when
Speaker 3: he came to the White House. I mean it was
Speaker 3: a full fledged you know battle Royale with with little
Speaker 3: Mickey mouse man Advance, you know, playing you know, get them, go,
Speaker 3: get them, go, get them, you know roll. So it's
Speaker 3: a difficult thing to choreograph. What I felt about it
Speaker 3: was me meme Donnie did not actually have to say
Speaker 3: many flattering things about Trump. Trump kind of went out
Speaker 3: of his way flattering this guy. You know, he's a
Speaker 3: good guy. Would you feel safe in New York if
Speaker 3: if he were I would feel safe absolutely, And we're
Speaker 3: going to make sure.
Speaker 6: That he's successful.
Speaker 3: So it actually turned in a direction that I didn't
Speaker 3: fully participate anticipate, but I also did not expect it
Speaker 3: to be a bad meeting, publicly facing meeting for them, because,
Speaker 3: in the truth of the spirit, mem Donnie came in
Speaker 3: basically the winner. Trump has been licking his wounds all week,
Speaker 3: getting set back after setback, and he kind of needed
Speaker 3: to gravitate to some to some winner energy. And I
Speaker 3: think I think, I think the Mayor elect really kind
Speaker 3: of walked away the winner out of that. Meaning, if
Speaker 3: I were being politically cynical and analytical about it, I
Speaker 3: would say he kind of walked away not having had
Speaker 3: to contradict himself, not having had to flatter the president,
Speaker 3: but to simply stay in his lane and say, any
Speaker 3: we look forward to working together on anything that improves
Speaker 3: the lives and affordability of everyday New Yorkers.
Speaker 6: That's not a bad giveaway for a meeting with Donald Trump.
Speaker 11: I hear you, Andrew. I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 7: I'll say part of my frustration with this whole thing
Speaker 7: was the attention paid to it, the attention paid to
Speaker 7: this question when Kristen Welker asked him on Meet the
Speaker 7: Press one. This is precisely why you don't hear people,
Speaker 7: you know, talking every week's like, oh my god, did
Speaker 7: you hear what happened on Meet the Press? Because they
Speaker 7: ask questions that most people are not focused on. They
Speaker 7: traffic and inside the beltwig gossip and want to pit
Speaker 7: this person against that person. When the mayor, the incoming
Speaker 7: mayor was asked, does he think Donald Trump is a fascist?
Speaker 11: In the Oval Office? He answered yes.
Speaker 7: You hear him say yes to the reporter, even after
Speaker 7: Donald Trump saying, oh, you don't have to answer, and
Speaker 7: he says yes. When Kristin Welker has him, he said yes.
Speaker 7: Of all of the things that they could have spent
Speaker 7: time discussing, this seems the most trivial to me, quite honest. However,
Speaker 7: I do struggle as well with the imagery of being
Speaker 7: in the space with Donald Trump. I didn't walk away
Speaker 7: with that impression from Mandanie. I do think even as
Speaker 7: Trump has turned the Oval Office in the White House
Speaker 7: into you know, waffle house.
Speaker 5: Meet, that was disrespectful.
Speaker 11: I like, he's.
Speaker 7: But he's disrespectful to the White House. And I applaud
Speaker 7: people who can conduct themselves with a level of professionalism
Speaker 7: in decorum in the face of toddlers who find that,
Speaker 7: you know, incapable and find themselves in caple of doing that,
Speaker 7: and he does that routinely as the president of the
Speaker 7: United States. So I actually appreciate it that he looked
Speaker 7: like the adult in the situation.
Speaker 11: I didn't receive.
Speaker 7: It like he was being friendly or with fascism, or
Speaker 7: taking it lightly or playing foot seet with him. I
Speaker 7: don't receive him as someone who is a coward either.
Speaker 7: Like I think, as I've said before, I think Donald
Speaker 7: Trump is, you know, the beach in this situation, most situations,
Speaker 7: I think macdani looked like an adult, and of everything
Speaker 7: happening in New York. I just think of the politics
Speaker 7: of this situation, this tiny thing that beltleyh media has
Speaker 7: tried to make into a thing like ooh, look at
Speaker 7: this thing with Trump and Mandanni. It just doesn't seem
Speaker 7: as important to what most people are experiencing. But I
Speaker 7: think your point, Angela maybe a larger one about people
Speaker 7: normalizing what's happening, or people treating this president as though
Speaker 7: he's a normal president when he's anything but So I
Speaker 7: think my takeaway is I would focus me. I want
Speaker 7: to focus on what you talked about, of him calling
Speaker 7: Democrats seditionists, of him threatening death, and people are just
Speaker 7: kind of going about like well, President posted on social
Speaker 7: media that you know, these democrats would be killed as
Speaker 7: though that's normal, like we have to meet it with outrage.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's necessarily Mundanni's position, but I do
Speaker 7: decry that that should be the media's position and the
Speaker 7: fact that they're asking about ooh, but he said jo
Speaker 7: Mama was ugly and stupid shit like that. You do
Speaker 7: feel like, why don't you ask about the real things
Speaker 7: happening in this country that actual people?
Speaker 2: And they got it, yes, and that is I think
Speaker 2: they both delivered on that point. The theater of it all,
Speaker 2: like even you know where he was standing. Again, I
Speaker 2: didn't even like the fact that Donald Trump hadded him.
Speaker 2: If I heard Trump's statement to him differently, I think
Speaker 2: I heard him say it's okay, you can go ahead
Speaker 2: and say yes, and then Mendanni said yes.
Speaker 4: Then when they look at the transcript, that's what it says.
Speaker 3: But to your point, started though not to say he
Speaker 3: wasn't backing away he was.
Speaker 4: I'm not even suggested on this, Yeah, I'm not suggesting
Speaker 4: he was.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump intervened to tell him it's okay to call
Speaker 2: me a fascist, right, and I think that is also
Speaker 2: something worth noting.
Speaker 11: To me.
Speaker 2: That is a big deal because it goes right to
Speaker 2: the point of what he said about those members of Congress.
Speaker 2: That is what fascists do. They call for the death
Speaker 2: of their political enemies. They persecute and prosecute their political enemies.
Speaker 2: Now here's the part that blows my mind. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure you guys are probably tired of talking about this too.
Speaker 2: But on the day before the meeting as well, the
Speaker 2: House Representatives takes a vote House Resolution fifty eight eighty
Speaker 2: six Democrats vote with one hundred and ninety nine Republicans
Speaker 2: to condemn socialism.
Speaker 5: I didn't even see that.
Speaker 3: Yes, they can go and the Republicans for forty five
Speaker 3: days and they give back to DC, given all Americans
Speaker 3: are going through and they wanted to talk about some
Speaker 3: damn socialisms.
Speaker 2: But I want to be clear about why they took
Speaker 2: this vote. Mam Donnie was meeting with Donald Trump the
Speaker 2: next day. So my issue is, like I'm mad at
Speaker 2: everybody right now, y'all.
Speaker 3: But guess what, Donald Trump took the wins out of
Speaker 3: that sale and a whole bunch of other sales, but
Speaker 3: through his conduct.
Speaker 6: In that meeting, I mean his over effusive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to say he everything that they've
Speaker 3: done Republicans. They spent millions calling this guy everything but
Speaker 3: a child of God. In New York at least the
Speaker 3: fonic is running for what governor, and she put a
Speaker 3: bunch of money, you know, against them, trying to paint
Speaker 3: everybody as mandonna and Trump by his full what I
Speaker 3: felt was a full throw, a throttle endorsement of the man.
Speaker 3: We're gonna make him successful. No, I don't mean he's that.
Speaker 3: It was a campaign. You say, a lot of things
Speaker 3: joined the campaign, right. He basically toot the wins out
Speaker 3: of the sale of any ad that Republicans can cut
Speaker 3: against Democrats and the mid term based on their mayor,
Speaker 3: Mam Donnie's embrace goes torpedo because we can simply put
Speaker 3: up Trump embracing him with a full bear hug.
Speaker 4: I guess all I'm saying is it is rich to me.
Speaker 2: And it was actually the day of his arrival that
Speaker 2: they could condemn socialism. Where is the goddamn vote condemning fascism? Seriously,
Speaker 2: this man identifies as a democratic socialist. He was clear
Speaker 2: about it, even in the press or after the meeting
Speaker 2: was over, so that what we're privy to the public
Speaker 2: statement that we're privy to. He says, I'm a democratic socialist.
Speaker 2: You know, I've basically hitched my wagon too affordability issues.
Speaker 4: That's something we agreed on in this meeting.
Speaker 2: These people are so tone deaf in the House of Representatives.
Speaker 2: I'm specifically speaking to the eighty six Democrats, including Democratic leadership,
Speaker 2: that you think it is more important to do to
Speaker 2: condemn socialism than fascism. And again he said the day
Speaker 2: before that he wanted to call for it to be
Speaker 2: prosecuted for treason and that is punishable by my dad.
Speaker 4: What are we talking about?
Speaker 7: I would just say it's all kind of kabooki theater,
Speaker 7: like it's simple, you know, like it's who cares about?
Speaker 7: To me, these votes have no real tangible consequence. There
Speaker 7: is no what does it do? Like, what is this
Speaker 7: so you condemned social Let's say they took a vote
Speaker 7: on condemning fascism. Again, this is all performative outrage to
Speaker 7: me about something these like just the same way that
Speaker 7: it's these invented culture wars.
Speaker 11: So even if they had taken.
Speaker 7: A vote and everybody in in Congress and the Upper
Speaker 7: Chamber and the lower tamper. Yes, we condemned fascism or
Speaker 7: we condemned socialism. Okay, who gives a shit? What exactly
Speaker 7: are you guys, like, what specific policies are you implementing
Speaker 7: or are you fighting that's going to have a direct
Speaker 7: tangible impact on the American people? And so far all
Speaker 7: of the things that they are pushing seem to have
Speaker 7: an adverse impact on the American people.
Speaker 11: Which is I think.
Speaker 3: I think that's why the mayor was refreshing. He this
Speaker 3: man came to advocate for his people.
Speaker 6: He talked about affordable housing.
Speaker 3: He talked about turning those buildings that are in New
Speaker 3: York that are vacant with with with these high ass
Speaker 3: rent prices into residential I mean, he was actually this
Speaker 3: was the refreshing part of him, is that this man
Speaker 3: was meeting a.
Speaker 11: Trump gave him permission or not, of course if he's not.
Speaker 1: Agree No, I was just I was saying that I
Speaker 1: kind of agree with you about the theater at the moment.
Speaker 1: And sometimes sometimes we get caught up. And that's what
Speaker 1: Trump does extremely well. He creates TV, he creates imagery
Speaker 1: because he knows that we will chase that it's like
Speaker 1: a cat when you have the little light in it.
Speaker 1: He knows that, he knows that the media will cover that.
Speaker 1: But one of the things we haven't talked about a lot,
Speaker 1: and one of the things that wasn't covered was something
Speaker 1: that jumped out to me from Rinkin County, Mississippi. I
Speaker 1: want to play that video first. Let me just say
Speaker 1: that if you I'm not a big fan of like
Speaker 1: black death porn, this isn't quite a death or a killing.
Speaker 1: But this is very, very hard to watch. So this
Speaker 1: is a trigger warning and not safe for work.
Speaker 13: All right.
Speaker 2: Say, my name is Larry, and I volunteered fish.
Speaker 6: My name Larry, and I volunteer to this.
Speaker 11: Whoa come home, Come home?
Speaker 1: Birthday to you?
Speaker 5: Half a birthday to you.
Speaker 1: So the video that you just saw there goes back
Speaker 1: to it's actually an older video. It just was released
Speaker 1: from the jail. It happened in October of twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: We're just seeing this. The gentleman's name was buck Halter.
Speaker 1: Larry Buckhlter was the black gentleman's name. I wanted to
Speaker 1: call his name out. The barry that you were referring
Speaker 1: to that you heard him refer to was individual who
Speaker 1: was the under sheriff at the jail. They had him
Speaker 1: singing Happy Birthday to him, They mocked him, and one
Speaker 1: of the things you saw was then putting him in
Speaker 1: an electric vest, which I didn't even know necessarily existed.
Speaker 1: I've been in a lot of jails, I ain't never
Speaker 1: seen that before, and using him as somewhat of a
Speaker 1: test dummy for it. It just came out. A lot
Speaker 1: of people have been examining the power of sheriffs. I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about that for just a brief moment
Speaker 1: as well, and why those elections are even more importantly.
Speaker 1: The New York Times, Local Investigations Fellowship, the Fund for
Speaker 1: Investigative Journalism, the Shop Patterson Foundation, the Pulitzer Center Mississippi
Speaker 1: Today all have contributed to exposing this, and so that
Speaker 1: when I saw it, it bothered me so bad. I
Speaker 1: immediately sent it to the group chat and just said,
Speaker 1: this goes back and ties into this theme. We've been
Speaker 1: talking about a black folk not getting their benefit of
Speaker 1: their humanity, and I wanted to just kind of get
Speaker 1: you all thoughts on the imagery you saw. Why does
Speaker 1: this keep happening and what do we have what is
Speaker 1: the what do we learn from this?
Speaker 7: When I see I didn't know that we were I'm
Speaker 7: seeing this Rob McCary, I didn't watch the video in
Speaker 7: the group chat, and so when I see things like that, sadly,
Speaker 7: it's not surprising to me. But what I've been confronting
Speaker 7: over and again is we've seen this type of despotism
Speaker 7: decorate our screens. We've seen our blood spatter decorate our screens.
Speaker 7: Bodycams have done nothing but give us a better view
Speaker 7: of violence, often white violence towards black body. And it
Speaker 7: really creates a wrinkle in time for me because for
Speaker 7: all the people who wonder how was enslavement able to happen,
Speaker 7: and we see physical violence against us, we see people
Speaker 7: defending the most atrocious things against black people, brown people,
Speaker 7: young girls, all of it. And for me, I think
Speaker 7: it wasn't that long ago, and the people who shackled us,
Speaker 7: abused us, berated us, oppressed us, suppressed us, their descendants
Speaker 7: are not that far removed. So to me it seems like, oh,
Speaker 7: I see how you all were not just okay with
Speaker 7: the brutalities of enslavement that we've still never really put
Speaker 7: in front of America's face. I see that you were
Speaker 7: not just okay with it, but you celebrated it. It
Speaker 7: was a joke to you. I hear them laughing at
Speaker 7: this man. They're treating him as though he's an invalid.
Speaker 7: They're talking to him as though he's a toddler. It's
Speaker 7: a level of cruelty that I don't think we can
Speaker 7: really wrap our minds around. I think we you have
Speaker 7: a unique uncanny ability for humanity in ways that others don't.
Speaker 7: So it's enraging. And you know, I am not promoting violence,
Speaker 7: and I'm not inciting violence. But I don't know how
Speaker 7: you meet those people in the middle. I don't know
Speaker 7: how you consider those folks your fellow countrymen who can
Speaker 7: treat you that way. I don't know what the other
Speaker 7: side of that looks like. So as we're confronted with people,
Speaker 7: because I can imagine who all those people in that
Speaker 7: video voted for, as we're confronted with those people who
Speaker 7: are now occupying the halls of Congress and perhaps arguably
Speaker 7: even the White House, I don't know that a revolution
Speaker 7: to overcome that is peaceful.
Speaker 6: You know, Tiffany, really poignant comments.
Speaker 3: I probably appreciated hearing them, you know, This video touches
Speaker 3: on some of the activities that were taking place in
Speaker 3: that jail, but some of the more I mean, some
Speaker 3: of the equally as insidious parts were the deputizing of
Speaker 3: other inmates to carry out retribution, beatings, whippings, to go
Speaker 3: beyond where Uh, shriffs may have limits, the deputies and
Speaker 3: and and jailers may have limits. They would have other
Speaker 3: other inmates that they would call trustees, and these trustees
Speaker 3: would then be admonished to then carry out this brutality
Speaker 3: on behalf and under the cover of these shriffs deputies
Speaker 3: inside the jail house.
Speaker 6: I would also.
Speaker 3: What Tiffany your comments, what what makes it more grotesque
Speaker 3: for me is to see the number of black shriff's
Speaker 3: deputies who then take on that same.
Speaker 14: Despicable disposition as enslavers.
Speaker 13: Right. They their their.
Speaker 3: Proximity to the power of being able to decide who
Speaker 3: gets pulled out and and handled, who gets you know,
Speaker 3: retribution paid to them? Uh, who do you who do
Speaker 3: you terrorize each night? And you've got black deputies on
Speaker 3: black inmates, and a political system there that is diverse
Speaker 3: in its representation that includes black elected officials. I don't
Speaker 3: know if the bus was to be higher or not,
Speaker 3: but I certainly feel like I said it higher for
Speaker 3: for other black folks who become the lynchers themselves.
Speaker 6: The whole, the whole piece of this thing is rank.
Speaker 6: I mean ranking is right. Of course, yes, yes, black.
Speaker 11: Black men beat family, but there are.
Speaker 6: Too many that we can't name check, right.
Speaker 3: And that's this, that's this really terrible spirit that says,
Speaker 3: if I'm not on the side of the abuse, there
Speaker 3: are only two sides here, the abused and then the
Speaker 3: abusers and then those who stay silent and do nothing.
Speaker 6: Who I who I?
Speaker 3: Who? I automatically put under the abuser side of the equation.
Speaker 3: But this was this whole system the reason why people
Speaker 3: a national audience is going to be, you know, rattled
Speaker 3: a bit by what they read from the New York Times,
Speaker 3: from Mississippi Today and the other contributing resources. But ain't
Speaker 3: nobody in Mississippi surprise today or rather to we go
Speaker 3: in this when the XO was a first drive, ain't
Speaker 3: nobody there surprised? And I would add to it a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of other states. But I don't want to
Speaker 3: offend nobody saying't gonna start name checking you know who
Speaker 3: you are? Those of you who who.
Speaker 6: And Tiffany what is understood need not be spoken?
Speaker 3: Right. There are plenty of other places that can be
Speaker 3: on the list that had didn't get this kind of
Speaker 3: in depth reporting which took place here, which I think
Speaker 3: is excellent at exposing. And now I'm looking for the accountability.
Speaker 3: But this is taking place in far too many places,
Speaker 3: and it is it doesn't raise an eyebera.
Speaker 1: The accountability part is the thing that we're not gonna
Speaker 1: get none of. Because this is why your Department of
Speaker 1: Justice and the Civil Rights Division is so important. This
Speaker 1: is why the work that Christen Clark did that's like
Speaker 1: systematically being erased, This was why the consent orders because
Speaker 1: it's not I mean, I'm suing the Alvin esk Glen
Speaker 1: attentions in that Richland County right now. I have a
Speaker 1: guy who was going through a mental health break that
Speaker 1: they put in the shoe that you weren't supposed to put
Speaker 1: him there. You're not supposed to put mentally ill people
Speaker 1: in the special housing unit. He died from dehydration. He
Speaker 1: died with rat bites on him. He was in feces
Speaker 1: drinking water. The water broke, so he lost forty two
Speaker 1: pounds like in a week. I mean, it's just but
Speaker 1: this is it's not just ranking, It's not just Richland County.
Speaker 1: I think the people sometimes and that you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about it in my car to action, But
Speaker 1: we forget about some of our loved ones. I mean
Speaker 1: this guy right here, I mean you look at him.
Speaker 1: I mean he had a family somewhere that had no idea.
Speaker 1: They're probably outraged right now looking back on what he
Speaker 1: went through because he probably wasn't even able to communicate
Speaker 1: it or afraid to communicate it. But those are our
Speaker 1: loved ones, and we have to take care of people
Speaker 1: who are in the shadow sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it talks about the retribution for those who spoke up.
Speaker 3: This is a no win situation. If you were in
Speaker 3: their crosshairs, you just had to bear it.
Speaker 1: Ye had been there in twenty eighteen, and I would
Speaker 1: dare say the same thing in twenty twenty five, Angela.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, you know, when I
Speaker 2: think about what they're doing to dismantle the Department of
Speaker 2: Justice and the kind of the safeguards that we were
Speaker 2: at least starting to build, because it's never been safe.
Speaker 2: The building that houses the Department of Justice is still
Speaker 2: named the j. Edgar Hoover Building, and so we have
Speaker 2: to be clear about the fact that it's never been
Speaker 2: there to protect us or represent our best interests. But
Speaker 2: I think, you know, when we consider what President Will
Speaker 2: Mama was trying to do, President Biden Harris to Biden
Speaker 2: Harris administration tried to do to stand up at least
Speaker 2: some accountability measures, all of those things are gone. Now
Speaker 2: there's no way to determine whether or not these officers,
Speaker 2: you know, committed past wrongs, whether or not they if
Speaker 2: they went moved to a different jurisdiction that they shouldn't
Speaker 2: be hired.
Speaker 4: That's gone.
Speaker 2: And you consider what, you know, what prisons have to
Speaker 2: do to ensure that they can qualify for federal dollars,
Speaker 2: all of the benchmarks that are supposed to be in place,
Speaker 2: to ensure that they're not overly punishing prisoners, which I mean,
Speaker 2: it's prison like. I don't really like any of them.
Speaker 2: I'm partially an abolitionist at least. I just don't get
Speaker 2: how we can watch this and turn a blind eye
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 5: And this is in prison.
Speaker 1: That's that's part of my point, Angela. In prison, this
Speaker 1: is jail. Yes, they're not even convicted or nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, yes, no.
Speaker 1: No, that's that just noo y'all, y'all took y'all, took
Speaker 1: y'all went down this journey with me because I've been
Speaker 1: praying about it and sending it to people and being like,
Speaker 1: did y'all see this? Because I just wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that I wasn't going crazy because it was. It
Speaker 1: was making me cry seeing that.
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Had to turn my head for sure.
Speaker 11: Can I ask you?
Speaker 14: I will say Jay Hoover should go down for a lot.
Speaker 5: Hoover should go down.
Speaker 6: He should go down for a lot.
Speaker 3: But I will say this, and this is this is
Speaker 3: this is just a restatement of history.
Speaker 6: JACKA.
Speaker 3: Hoover was horrible to our civil rights leaders and the
Speaker 3: type of surveillance that he.
Speaker 6: Is put in place.
Speaker 3: But what Jajo Hoover also was what was relentless against
Speaker 3: the FBI against the Ku Klux Klan, using the federal
Speaker 3: federal laws that allowed him to many ways chase them
Speaker 3: back into shadows and a lot of places and not
Speaker 3: a album full effect. But but I just wanted to
Speaker 3: balance out that that as he has the dubious designation
Speaker 3: as having been so cruel and and and and invasive
Speaker 3: to our civil rights leaders into black leaders and organizers.
Speaker 6: He also had a particular.
Speaker 3: Effect on pushing the ku Klux Klan out of a
Speaker 3: lot of black people's front yards, backyards and communities over
Speaker 3: that same period.
Speaker 11: It was he he was and his intention was.
Speaker 6: Opinions.
Speaker 14: Opinion was that his tenure at the f B.
Speaker 6: I also took very pointed.
Speaker 3: How do you say, uh enforcement and pushing uh back
Speaker 3: on the ku Klux Klan.
Speaker 5: Which I'm sorry they had a quick question, but can we.
Speaker 2: Get to the question just.
Speaker 7: Yeah, do you want to talk about this because I.
Speaker 2: Addresses I do not want to be in the business
Speaker 2: of finding no goddamn silver lining and know j Edgar,
Speaker 2: goddamn hold it's.
Speaker 6: Not a silver lin. It is not a silver lining. You.
Speaker 3: I simply wanted to sit next to one fact another facts.
Speaker 1: Okay, want your question, Timmy, you got you had a
Speaker 1: question about it. You're talking about were talking about there.
Speaker 5: He's not saying anything that's.
Speaker 11: There was no but it's a lot of context there.
Speaker 7: So let me just say, he's a horrible conversation, clearly
Speaker 7: answered your.
Speaker 4: Behind.
Speaker 11: Let me say something good.
Speaker 6: No, no, I wanted to say something good.
Speaker 11: Or the or the reasons.
Speaker 6: Okay, let me do that. That's a good point.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you listen there, if you allow me. The
Speaker 3: difference is I was attempting to point out that you
Speaker 3: would think the vilest of what we would have experienced
Speaker 3: as a people would have been in the thirties, forties, fifties,
Speaker 3: sixties in this country. And I'm saying, when you set
Speaker 3: that example next to what we are still experiencing, ranking
Speaker 3: and its officials, the sheriffs. I don't know if everybody
Speaker 3: got to read the New York Times. Deep God, but
Speaker 3: a lot of people are implicated here, A lot of
Speaker 3: systems are implicated here. And it happened not in the
Speaker 3: dark of night, but in the under the bright detoxifier
Speaker 3: of the sun, right the great revealer, right daylight, sunshine.
Speaker 3: And nobody is raising a I mean, like I said,
Speaker 3: it will play to a national audience because there's still
Speaker 3: people who can clutch their pearls about it. But where
Speaker 3: this stuff is going down, it causes no surprise, no shock,
Speaker 3: no anything to anybody. So I was simply the callousness
Speaker 3: of the past is only being uh, outdone by the
Speaker 3: callousness of today that even if if Hoo could prosecute
Speaker 3: the KKK, today the KKK appears to be welcomed in.
Speaker 6: Full for.
Speaker 1: You brought that around. You brought that around.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, But the contact.
Speaker 2: It was not just say TIF no, go ahead. I
Speaker 2: just want to have one point.
Speaker 7: No go ahead and say no, let's close that out
Speaker 7: because I my question has nothing to do with that.
Speaker 2: I just want to flag that as much as he
Speaker 2: some people may want to credit him for taking down
Speaker 2: the KKK, he also was a member of a fraternity
Speaker 2: called Kappa Alpha that essentially you know.
Speaker 6: Which they were, every campus.
Speaker 2: Which and that's not to be considered with Kapa Alpha
Speaker 2: PSI no, no.
Speaker 6: No Alpha.
Speaker 3: If you're in the South, you know what they don't.
Speaker 2: I want to be clear about what I'm saying. They
Speaker 2: want to be want to be probably still right now Confederates.
Speaker 1: So they got right here.
Speaker 4: There's that.
Speaker 2: So I think we should be clear at some point
Speaker 2: about why he is even attached to taking down the KKK.
Speaker 4: That is, I think it's simply.
Speaker 11: Okay, I agree that is a mini later. Let's because
Speaker 11: I'm not here.
Speaker 6: To defend him. I'm simply saying, when you compare.
Speaker 3: The age that we thought was a bygone era, it's
Speaker 3: not only not by gone, but it's back in spades.
Speaker 11: It's here, but cary.
Speaker 7: So my question for you is because we share a
Speaker 7: lot of spaces and you, I mean, I think the
Speaker 7: audience experiences a lot of your humor all the time.
Speaker 7: And you know, there are people who watch you on CNN,
Speaker 7: but a lot of people see you like joking around
Speaker 7: a lot. And what a lot of people don't know
Speaker 7: is probably every day, frequently you are arguing some sort
Speaker 7: of case and you won't really talk about it. You
Speaker 7: don't share a lot of details, but when it's over,
Speaker 7: you might say, oh, this happened, or you'll just drop
Speaker 7: a link in to some horrific event. A lot of
Speaker 7: times things that are happening to black women or black people.
Speaker 7: But there have been cases that you worked on involving
Speaker 7: black women too, And it's like, God, you were carrying
Speaker 7: all of this, Like none of us knew you so
Speaker 7: busy making jokes in the group chat or you know,
Speaker 7: being funny. We had no idea you were carrying all
Speaker 7: of this. So I just want the audience to know
Speaker 7: that about you, the kind of work that you do,
Speaker 7: and then my question to you about it is how
Speaker 7: do you manage what you do professionally? Because I know,
Speaker 7: and if you read Maccari's first book, like you are
Speaker 7: an emotional.
Speaker 1: I don't think I manage it well. I don't think
Speaker 1: I think that how do you manage it? Is a presumptive,
Speaker 1: you know kind of question. It's the question is rooted
Speaker 1: in presumption, because you know, I think we all struggle individually,
Speaker 1: usually under the cover of darkness. The challenge that I have, though,
Speaker 1: is that I have to be a husband and raise
Speaker 1: a family. So it's, you know, it's very difficult to
Speaker 1: go through your emotional roller coaster throughout the day and
Speaker 1: then have little people look up at you like why
Speaker 1: is Daddy in the corner crying and then having to
Speaker 1: explain to them state sanctioned violence, right, So you find
Speaker 1: other ways to cope. I drink too much tequila. I
Speaker 1: probably go outside too much and take my walks on
Speaker 1: the phone. But I got a good family and good
Speaker 1: and I got y'all. So as long as you know
Speaker 1: Andrew doesn't want to have conversations about Jayega Hoover on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner, and you're not bringing those damn room marshmallows
Speaker 1: on the sweet potatoes.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're gonna be all right.
Speaker 2: People might want to try mushrooms on sweet potato.
Speaker 4: That might actually be.
Speaker 1: Let's do this before we before we get to our
Speaker 1: call to action. Let's do one moment of celebration because
Speaker 1: all of our little nephew he get on their sometimes.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm going to sports ball Tiffany, Uh,
Speaker 1: all of our all of our little nephew shoulder saying,
Speaker 1: this's got his first win as a starting quarterback.
Speaker 5: And sometimes you do it. Don't make it easy. Plus
Speaker 5: roll the clip of shador.
Speaker 2: You don't throw no salt time it just let it
Speaker 2: be sweet, just and spring because.
Speaker 7: Excuse me, I was gonna say, obviously I know about it,
Speaker 7: but can you all please explain to the audience for
Speaker 7: those who don't, Okay.
Speaker 15: When it's crazy, it's amazing, you know, off of one
Speaker 15: week of practice. You know what I mean, this one
Speaker 15: week of practice, so imagine you know what a full
Speaker 15: off season looked like. It get dangerous, but it's just
Speaker 15: a one week of practice. So I'm just truly thankful.
Speaker 15: You know that everything happened.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to just say for lack of confidence.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I wanted to say and shout out to that confidence,
Speaker 2: the black boy joy. And also he deserves to be confident.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to say, tip, I know you're going
Speaker 2: to shador. Sanders is joined the Cleveland Browns. He's done
Speaker 2: something that no other rookie quarterback has done since nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety five.
Speaker 4: Against the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2: He had his first victory as a member of the team,
Speaker 2: and shout out to them twenty four to ten.
Speaker 4: And he should be confident. He had a good go.
Speaker 5: I'm with it.
Speaker 1: And the reason I let that ride is because when
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield or another white boy comes out there and
Speaker 1: acts the same way, they call that swag. And so
Speaker 1: I got to be able to be able to call
Speaker 1: it swag. But Monk's family, I can be like man
Speaker 1: that boy, that boy confidence is through the roof and
Speaker 1: it's all good. I'm happy for him, glad he got
Speaker 1: a victory to ques. The thing about the NFL, though,
Speaker 1: is you got to get more than just one. And
Speaker 1: he's always Jeers. He's gonna always be judged to his
Speaker 1: daddy standard because his daddy was one of the greatest
Speaker 1: to ever do it and his daddy would tell you
Speaker 1: about it. So cheers to the Sanders family. They gonna
Speaker 1: have a good things give.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 7: Can I man ask one question? I was gonna explain.
Speaker 7: Angela already explained it. She took what I wanted to say,
Speaker 7: so I just will follow us a question. We're well,
Speaker 7: I will explain this, but I'll allow somebody else to explain.
Speaker 7: He did not get recruited early in the process. He
Speaker 7: didn't get drafted.
Speaker 11: Early in the process. Why because we're talking about his car.
Speaker 5: I got a whole theory about that. I got a
Speaker 5: simple theory, really unpopular.
Speaker 4: Oh I want to hear this. Come on, KKK, let's
Speaker 4: keep it going today. Dad got there. Let's keep it going.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, just maybe the simple answer and the most
Speaker 1: obvious reason is the answer, which is he just ain't
Speaker 1: that good.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's definitely not my theory. My theory was going
Speaker 2: to be. You know, I think that Shadur had a
Speaker 2: really big college.
Speaker 4: Run with a lot of nil deals.
Speaker 2: As you all know, Nio became all right while he
Speaker 2: was in college. And I think that because of how
Speaker 2: much you know, confidence is attached to the Sanders brand,
Speaker 2: he was I think penalized by it, I mean penalized
Speaker 2: for it. I think in so many ways, you know, NFL.
Speaker 4: Owners, they can collude.
Speaker 2: To keep people out, they can collude to lift people
Speaker 2: up and keep them in when they're not that good
Speaker 2: be And I think that there was a very concerted
Speaker 2: effort to punish him, to teach that little black boy lesson.
Speaker 4: I don't have any facts. I just got a conspiracy
Speaker 4: theory too.
Speaker 2: It's based on history, right, Black af history, by the way,
Speaker 2: which is still on the New York Times.
Speaker 4: Bestsellers list, And I think that there's something to.
Speaker 2: That, like we have to be able to hold two things.
Speaker 2: This is a young man who has worked very hard
Speaker 2: throughout his entire life, throughout his college career, and I
Speaker 2: think is going to continue to work hard. Now. There
Speaker 2: are people who get drafted very high up all the
Speaker 2: time that they know they're attached to the brand because
Speaker 2: they know it's going to sell tickets. If for no
Speaker 2: other reason, I would have drafted the dude because it's
Speaker 2: gonna sell tickets, you know. And so I'm just being honest,
Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be good TV, it's gonna be entertainment.
Speaker 2: So I would do that just off of the strength
Speaker 2: of like whatever team ain't getting enough love right now,
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of them. You draft him because you
Speaker 2: want to make good TV. It's gonna be a good
Speaker 2: presser at the end. You're gonna go big on social,
Speaker 2: you're gonna go wide. So I think it's fascinating that
Speaker 2: we're talking about him being below average.
Speaker 4: Bakari. I definitely don't.
Speaker 1: And now I know what, And first of all, he's
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. Ain't nothing below average about him.
Speaker 4: I didn't NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: Well though a black NFL quarterback got drafted number one
Speaker 1: in the draft. Yeah, that's true, so by the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1: And so you know, he doesn't come in necessarily with
Speaker 1: the baggage. I've been a you know, a deemed a
Speaker 1: hater for a long time because South Carolina State used
Speaker 1: to whoop up on Jackson State.
Speaker 5: But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3: Because you might be closer to you might be close
Speaker 3: to me, at least to my opinion on it, I
Speaker 3: don't have a I don't have a trunk opinion.
Speaker 14: Just to say that, I just want to say, start they.
Speaker 3: Start pipelining these kids. They've got these quotients from middle school.
Speaker 3: You know where they are they are I mean no,
Speaker 3: across the country. I mean this thing is like a people.
Speaker 6: Bet on this stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but Alabama, Mississippi or all these places. Man,
Speaker 3: they're watching these kids. They can't make introduction, you know,
Speaker 3: they can't you know, approach them.
Speaker 6: But these scouts.
Speaker 3: Are they are they are collecting stats on these guys,
Speaker 3: visiting them middle school, hanging out, checking them out. And
Speaker 3: so the whole the whole recruiting piece to me, has
Speaker 3: become very scientific, very data driven. And then the sor
Speaker 3: the X factor, the thing that then makes the difference
Speaker 3: are some of I think what you know, what what
Speaker 3: what Angela's getting at? You know, is he overconfident? Is
Speaker 3: he a little too big version, what's his attitude? Does
Speaker 3: he play well with it? You know all these other
Speaker 3: things that they've ben factor in. They say, yeah, we can,
Speaker 3: we can go down on that, or we'll take a
Speaker 3: year and observe. So it could be you know, one,
Speaker 3: or it could be a mix of all of this stuff.
Speaker 5: Well this we're gonna get. Oh go ahead, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: let me.
Speaker 2: Just flag this really quick because again I know Tiff
Speaker 2: was going to raise this, but since you brought up
Speaker 2: the black quarterback that was drafted by the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 2: I think it prudent for me to acknowledge that my team,
Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks, which has an eight and three record,
Speaker 2: beat the Tennessee Titans, which has a losing record. They
Speaker 2: have won one game one in ten record with that
Speaker 2: black drafted quarterback.
Speaker 5: Boy, why are you shitting on him? He can't play
Speaker 5: all the positions. The boy is good.
Speaker 1: Now, The boy's good. He's just out there by himself. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we wanted to, We wanted to in this in this
Speaker 1: in this piece on a on a celebratory note. So
Speaker 1: shout out to the young man because he will. This
Speaker 1: is something you'll always remember. It's your first victory in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I know we got this interview with Mark
Speaker 1: Lamont Hill coming up, and I know that Tiff may
Speaker 1: have to scadado, but I did want to make sure
Speaker 1: that we could do something I want to do some
Speaker 1: call the actions if you if you didn't mind, because
Speaker 1: I think it's important that people.
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes people listen and they listen to mine.
Speaker 1: I don't know about y'all, but you know, our call
Speaker 1: to actions to kind of get people to go out
Speaker 1: there and do a little bit more of this holiday season,
Speaker 1: So TIF go ahead and start.
Speaker 11: Oh man, it's always me first.
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, I'm disappointed that I'm not going to be
Speaker 7: because i have to run. I'm on deadline, and I'm
Speaker 7: not going to be part of the Marklamont Hill situation.
Speaker 7: But I think you guys are probably going to get
Speaker 7: into Nigeria and what's happening there, So I just want
Speaker 7: to say to people, and I'm so mad I'm not
Speaker 7: going to be a part of the conversation, but I
Speaker 7: just want to put this in front of people that
Speaker 7: Western media has a habit of framing things that are
Speaker 7: not always accurate, and to present this as though it
Speaker 7: is a Christian genocide is not accurate, and Nigeria is
Speaker 7: just one of many examples.
Speaker 11: But if you.
Speaker 7: Just start to expand your news diet, but even just
Speaker 7: your reading diet and understanding the geopolitics and the history
Speaker 7: of Africa, you will note a lot of times what
Speaker 7: we see in Western media is a complete conflict to
Speaker 7: what the rest of the world is experiencing. And if
Speaker 7: you pay attention to these things, you will also know
Speaker 7: a very sharp shift in the global stage a very
Speaker 7: sharp shift in world superpowers and a very clear rise
Speaker 7: of the global south. So I just want to put
Speaker 7: that out there to the audience to please expand your
Speaker 7: news diet and don't just read the headlines, don't just
Speaker 7: read the stories. But like, spend weeks learning about this stuff,
Speaker 7: and that will become habit. You'll start learning more about
Speaker 7: it and disrupting this very white media.
Speaker 13: We're glad to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the rest of the CTAs after this
Speaker 1: interview with Mark Money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for.
Speaker 13: Letting me do that.
Speaker 11: I want to come back and don but thank you
Speaker 11: for letting.
Speaker 6: Me get nice.
Speaker 5: It's smart.
Speaker 4: He is confident, keep going.
Speaker 5: That's right. Nobody knows.
Speaker 1: Look, we get a we get a chance today to
Speaker 1: spend some time with our brother. We talked about him
Speaker 1: a few times on this show. He is a is
Speaker 1: a intellectual, he is brilliant, He is a professor, he
Speaker 1: is a writer. He is just an all around renaissance
Speaker 1: man of the culture, none other than Mark la my Hill.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, brother, How.
Speaker 6: Are you welcome home? Mark?
Speaker 13: Oh Man, I'm still happy to be here. I'm happy
Speaker 13: to be home.
Speaker 1: Can I just can I just say one thing before
Speaker 1: we started. I was I was looking for Mark's number
Speaker 1: earlier this year, and I called the number I had,
Speaker 1: and then I watched Mark on the show talk about
Speaker 1: how he changed numbers and only the people he wanted
Speaker 1: to have this number.
Speaker 6: I'm so glad you went.
Speaker 5: Brother.
Speaker 6: I thought you were gonna say strip Club answered, I said.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well I was on the outside of Mark circle,
Speaker 5: so I didn't get it. So I think Tiffany sent
Speaker 5: it to me involuntarily. But welcome home. Brother's glad glad.
Speaker 13: You I sent you the numbers. It was funny, is
Speaker 13: I said you, And I said, all, y'all a number,
Speaker 13: But I turned I was having a security issue that
Speaker 13: I was getting and so I did it like real
Speaker 13: suddenly in the middle of the night, I changed the
Speaker 13: number and I sent it, but it went green for
Speaker 13: most people. So like everybody I know thought that they
Speaker 13: got this because they didn't get the number, and I
Speaker 13: had to like show people. Look, I sent it to
Speaker 13: you back in January, so you you were definitely on
Speaker 13: the list. I'm gonna resentd it to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: What's going on, Auldre Pittman and you know, so you
Speaker 3: put me in touch with your old track college classmate.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Audi Doctor Pittman Price, shout out to
Speaker 3: her for sure.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you, Mark, so you know you
Speaker 2: are a multi platform You have a show on Al Jazeera.
Speaker 2: You are one of the hosts now of Joe Budden's podcasts.
Speaker 2: You have nice school on YouTube. You are trying to
Speaker 2: reach our people on every side, and I think we
Speaker 2: join you in that. But the most important question of
Speaker 2: this particular hour, doctor Mark lawan Hill, is are you
Speaker 2: an asshole?
Speaker 5: A hard hitting question?
Speaker 4: You know, I do what I can.
Speaker 2: Mark is going viral right now for shading Brian McKnight
Speaker 2: for calling him an asshole.
Speaker 4: And he had facts, So I have some facts too. Mark.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm happy to go down my list to see
Speaker 2: if it all checks out, but I'm willing to allow
Speaker 2: you a yay or nay right in this moment before
Speaker 2: I go down my list.
Speaker 13: I'm scared of any research Angels done because she's too thorough.
Speaker 13: But but second, I'm an asshole just on his face,
Speaker 13: I acknowledge it. I'm not a Brian McKnight genre asshole, uh,
Speaker 13: but I am. I'm like a smart ass, I'm like
Speaker 13: snarky I can tell you right, you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 13: that's why I fit in here.
Speaker 4: We all you know, I mean, we are using tricky
Speaker 4: words on us. Mark, that's you.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question though, because you're SOMTI,
Speaker 1: because you're so multi platform, how do you how do
Speaker 1: you prepared? Because I mean, it's different audiences and you
Speaker 1: have to be decently talented to meet each respect the audience.
Speaker 5: What is that?
Speaker 1: Because there are a lot of young people who listen
Speaker 1: to this show who want to be like you, who
Speaker 1: want to spend time on the forms. How do you
Speaker 1: prepare to meet those very very different audiences? Al Jazeira's
Speaker 1: audience is probably different from the Joe Button podcast, although
Speaker 1: there's a little overlap. But you know, how do you
Speaker 1: prepare to go into those different arenas?
Speaker 13: Deep study? Deep study? You know, I tell people all
Speaker 13: the time the hardest part of all of this is
Speaker 13: having the discipline to do the homework.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 13: I meet professors who tell me that they want to
Speaker 13: be public intellectuals. And what I find is that when
Speaker 13: I meet the young grad student who's getting a PhD
Speaker 13: and they say they want to be a public intellectual,
Speaker 13: what they really mean is they want to be famous,
Speaker 13: you know, they want to be at the parties, they
Speaker 13: want to be on TV, they want to get stopped
Speaker 13: on the street. And I say, the best thing you
Speaker 13: can do to prepare yourself for any kind of serious
Speaker 13: intellectual work is to do the homework. Deep study. That
Speaker 13: deep study is the same thing we do before we
Speaker 13: go on air. It's the same thing we do whether
Speaker 13: it's CNN or Al Jazeera. It's the same thing I
Speaker 13: do before I go on Joe Budden podcasts. And that's
Speaker 13: what that's what that's what's made it all work for me.
Speaker 13: You know, before the Joe Button podcast episode airs, or
Speaker 13: even before we record, I come in with ten to
Speaker 13: fifteen topics that I'd like to discuss. Wein't gonna get
Speaker 13: to all ten to fifteen, but I talked to I
Speaker 13: think about ten to fifteen of them. If they pick
Speaker 13: any of them on that list, I gotta be prepared
Speaker 13: to talk about it, and I can't do it when
Speaker 13: I get there. So I'm waking up at five am
Speaker 13: and I'm reading and reading in on these things. The
Speaker 13: good thing is, if you stay in shape, you don't
Speaker 13: have to get in shape, right, So I rarely have
Speaker 13: to start from zero on something. But if you ask
Speaker 13: me about what's going on with Summer Walker and her
Speaker 13: boyfriend or her or her asking to be the side piece, yeah,
Speaker 13: I gotta do some reading. I gotta start from zero
Speaker 13: on that. That ain't what I know.
Speaker 5: Let me explain. Let me explain that to you if
Speaker 5: you want to.
Speaker 13: Doty explain it too well with Cary, I tell you
Speaker 13: if you know what I.
Speaker 5: Know, that's true.
Speaker 2: You know I don't know what just happen. Please Andrew, No,
Speaker 2: I would, I would know.
Speaker 3: I actually want to stay with this, this this line
Speaker 3: of questioning about preparation and to meet very audiences. There
Speaker 3: is oftentimes critique for entertainers celebrities who wade into political
Speaker 3: conversations or high political topics. Let's say Nicki minaj I
Speaker 3: e you know in Nigeria right or really the quote
Speaker 3: Christian persecutions occurring there.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: And we're going to talk a little bit about this
Speaker 3: later as well, my fellow co hosts. So I didn't
Speaker 3: want to go to deep in it, but Mark you
Speaker 3: you're something you said, jarred me on it, because how
Speaker 3: do you find the balance between wanting to invite as
Speaker 3: many diverse accessible voices as possible into the political discourse.
Speaker 3: God knows, we need more people talking about what's happening
Speaker 3: in this country, in our communities around the world affecting
Speaker 3: our people. But it's also very important that when you
Speaker 3: wade into some of these topics, especially when you have
Speaker 3: such a you know, large audiences who are not necessarily,
Speaker 3: you know, waking up in reading now Jazeera or the
Speaker 3: news in any shape or form other than on TikTok,
Speaker 3: So you bear responsibility to also be accurate and informed
Speaker 3: when when when you meet them. Oftentimes, when I hear
Speaker 3: us kind of talk in our echo chamber about who
Speaker 3: should and shouldn't, I think people receive it as like
Speaker 3: us determining license for who can talk about, you know,
Speaker 3: various political issues and who cannot.
Speaker 14: And that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But I do know that you get degrees in political
Speaker 3: science because I've got one, and I know that there
Speaker 3: are people who go to school for the study of
Speaker 3: these things and then are real practitioners in the work
Speaker 3: and reflect important analysis, experience, history contexts for these conversations.
Speaker 6: Where do you come down.
Speaker 3: On the side of of of And I'm thinking very
Speaker 3: specifically about sort of the entertainment crowd that is oftentimes
Speaker 3: sort of harangued into these things for one offs and
Speaker 3: then toss to the side after they get shredded by
Speaker 3: every you know, googler out there about what they got
Speaker 3: right or what they got wrong on something.
Speaker 6: You come, yeah, you know.
Speaker 13: It's it's a tight rope, and we often put celebrities
Speaker 13: in a very uncomfortable spot or maybe an impossible position.
Speaker 13: We ask them, we demand from them sometimes to speak
Speaker 13: up on issues. Why aren't you talking about such and such?
Speaker 13: And then when they say something we don't agree with,
Speaker 13: we say, you don't know what you're talking about. Stick
Speaker 13: to stick to rap, and stick to basketball, stick to baseball,
Speaker 13: stick to whatever. And so sometimes it becomes just a
Speaker 13: question of whether we like what they're saying or not.
Speaker 13: For me, what I like to ask from our celebrities
Speaker 13: is that they commit themselves to some sort of involvement
Speaker 13: in making the world better, some sort of make some
Speaker 13: sort of effort to leave the world better than you
Speaker 13: found it. However, you see that if you have a
Speaker 13: specific platform where you have a unique insight on something,
Speaker 13: or you're a uniquely positioned to address something, then I
Speaker 13: do add that you do that it's weird to me. Again,
Speaker 13: I'm not making a demand of dj Khalet, but it's
Speaker 13: weird to me as a Palestinian, as maybe one of
Speaker 13: the five most famous Palestinians in America. I'm going to
Speaker 13: give the Hadad family, you know that, But like there's others.
Speaker 13: But like, if you're DJ kaltt like, it's kind of
Speaker 13: hard for me to imagine that you could be not
Speaker 13: saying anything, or instead of just sitting there and eating
Speaker 13: your food, you're also talking about how great life is
Speaker 13: and making videos and eating crab meats, you know, while
Speaker 13: the world is on fire. That to me is weird.
Speaker 13: So that would be a case where I would say
Speaker 13: say more. Now, if he comes out and says the
Speaker 13: exact opposite of what I think he should say, I
Speaker 13: might be pissed at that too, And that's on me.
Speaker 13: That's an unreasonable ask of me, So I have to
Speaker 13: be self critical about that as well. But for me,
Speaker 13: it's less about people saying what I don't like and
Speaker 13: more about them being cowardly. I don't think that Kalt
Speaker 13: is quiet because he has oppositional politics. I think he's
Speaker 13: quiet because he knows that it's better for business, for
Speaker 13: him not to wait into this matter on one side
Speaker 13: or the other. And that's what he's doing the old
Speaker 13: you know, Republicans and Democrats. By my sneaker line, that's
Speaker 13: what concerns me. But if you're going to speak up
Speaker 13: on any side of any issue, I do think it's
Speaker 13: important that you read and that you study, and that
Speaker 13: you know what's at stake, and that you don't assume
Speaker 13: that the first person that got to you is the
Speaker 13: person who is correct. Very often that's exactly what we
Speaker 13: assume in the case of Nicki Minaj and I'm scared
Speaker 13: to death these bars about the light mind mentions up.
Speaker 5: But it's OK.
Speaker 13: They are and it just is and that's what it is.
Speaker 13: They've been doing it all week. But for me, I
Speaker 13: don't have an issue with Nicki Minaj is saying, hey,
Speaker 13: I care about the persecution of Christians. I don't have
Speaker 13: an issue with her saying, hey, I want to weigh
Speaker 13: in on matters that are taking place on the continent
Speaker 13: of Africa. I think we should do more of that.
Speaker 13: My issue is she took the talking points and the
Speaker 13: argumentation I mean literally literally from Maga. Now again just
Speaker 13: because Migul say it, don't mean that it's wrong. It
Speaker 13: often does, but it doesn't mean that as such. Interrogated
Speaker 13: here the other side, see what's going on, because what
Speaker 13: they often do with the right is y'all know beter
Speaker 13: than me. What they often do is they take they
Speaker 13: their points are lightly dipped in truth. They'll take a
Speaker 13: thing that's true and make that the whole story. So
Speaker 13: are Christians dying in Nigeria? Yes they are. We just
Speaker 13: saw Are our Christians being Are they being forced to
Speaker 13: undergo all kinds of awful circumstances right now? Violence, kidnapping.
Speaker 13: We just saw a school rated and hundreds of girls
Speaker 13: kidnapped in the last week. It's the worst kidnapping since
Speaker 13: the Cheabot girls were kidnapped over a decade ago. That's awful.
Speaker 13: But if we frame it as a uniquely Christian thing,
Speaker 13: if we say that they're being attacked because they're Christian,
Speaker 13: we lose sight of what's actually happening in Nigeria. We
Speaker 13: lose sight of the actual complicated ethnic and tribal infighting
Speaker 13: and battles that are happening, and we lose sight of
Speaker 13: the fact that the people who are prevaying most of
Speaker 13: the violence don't care if you're Muslim or Christian. Yes,
Speaker 13: they're killing Christians, but they're also killing Muslims. They're also
Speaker 13: kidnapping people for not being properly Muslim. This is a
Speaker 13: political Islamist group that is basically saying we are we're
Speaker 13: going to rewrite the wrongs, we are going to fix
Speaker 13: the world. We are going to create an Islamic state.
Speaker 13: And to do that, yes, we have to kidnap and
Speaker 13: proselytize and fight, and let me take process house off
Speaker 13: the table, because that's very little of what they're doing
Speaker 13: that We're gonna kidnap, kill, torture to Muslim, burn churches. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 13: but we're doing it to everybody. Yes, percent of Nigeria
Speaker 13: is Christian, but it's also equally Muslim and it's happening
Speaker 13: to them too. But if we frame it as a
Speaker 13: uniquely Christian persecution, we ignore why they're doing what they're doing.
Speaker 13: We also ignore half the country who's also been Can we.
Speaker 5: Ll be real?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, go ahead, No, we're gonna We're gonna roll
Speaker 1: this clip first because I have a question on the backside.
Speaker 1: I think we do. We but definitely because my question
Speaker 1: is more generic. After we wrote this clip of Nicki
Speaker 1: Minaj and Harris Faulkner. But I have a just a
Speaker 1: more generic question, like what do we do with Nicki Minaj?
Speaker 1: How do we engage her? Do we engage her? Does
Speaker 1: she get credit for even having the courage to speak
Speaker 1: up or speak out about something she believes in? Those
Speaker 1: are and I'm not one way or another. Those are
Speaker 1: questions I genuinely have for you. But let's wrote this
Speaker 1: clip and talk about it on the backside.
Speaker 8: Especially as artists and people in entertainment, I think it's
Speaker 8: it sometimes can feel scary to speak up about anything
Speaker 8: that may not be the norm or the popular thing
Speaker 8: to speak about. I never care if something is popular.
Speaker 8: I care about what rings true to me. To people
Speaker 8: who are going through hard times right now in Nigeria,
Speaker 8: I hope that when they see this being done, that
Speaker 8: it makes them feel heard. You know, that it makes
Speaker 8: them feel like Okay, someone someone cares.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as Nicki minajen her, as Harris Faulkner put it
Speaker 2: her Sister in Christ right after she spoke at the
Speaker 2: United Nations last Tuesday, Cary, I'll yield to your question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean what do we so like? I mean,
Speaker 1: so you have somebody who took a risk, right, who
Speaker 1: win in front of an audience that's non traditional.
Speaker 5: I see, I've never heard.
Speaker 13: I'm sorry, what's the risk?
Speaker 1: I mean, just I would I would assume just Nicki
Speaker 1: Minaj having or the courage. I'm just I'm trying to
Speaker 1: play devil's advocate over here. That may not be the
Speaker 1: correct term, but there may be people who evaluate this
Speaker 1: and look at this and say that she's going to
Speaker 1: speak up for Christianity in front of an audience the
Speaker 1: non traditional for her. The four of us have some
Speaker 1: very strong critiques about the analysis she put forth. Where
Speaker 1: do we find that middle? Is there middle? Do we
Speaker 1: discount or discarder? Do we try to bring her in
Speaker 1: have conversations?
Speaker 5: What is?
Speaker 1: What do you do next with somebody who has the
Speaker 1: platform of Nicki Minaj when they take the step?
Speaker 13: Well, well, first, I read her as generously as possible.
Speaker 13: That's the first thing I do. I begin from that
Speaker 13: space of grace. I don't from the worst in Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 13: I don't assume that she's being cynical. I don't assume
Speaker 13: that she's being mendacious. I also don't sort of infantilize
Speaker 13: her by saying you're being duped by the right, you know.
Speaker 13: You know, I don't like that stuff. And I don't
Speaker 13: assume that she has a mental health issue, you know,
Speaker 13: or that this is drug induced. I'm raising those things.
Speaker 13: Those are all the things that people are saying on
Speaker 13: the internet. And I don't assume that I give her
Speaker 13: the generous read that she's thoughtful about this and just wrong.
Speaker 13: And so the first step I would do if I
Speaker 13: think somebody's wrong on an issue is engage them in dialogue,
Speaker 13: to reach out as I have, and say, here's some
Speaker 13: people who are experts on this, because this isn't my
Speaker 13: area of expertise, here's some people who are experts on this,
Speaker 13: who are from the country, who are very much on
Speaker 13: the ground internally, and who have a more robust analysis.
Speaker 13: Maybe talk to them and see how you feel after
Speaker 13: you talk to them. That, to me is the best
Speaker 13: thing that I can do. I agree that. I mean,
Speaker 13: even with that video with Harris Parkner, I think she
Speaker 13: feels what she's saying is true, and I think she's sincere.
Speaker 13: I just think she's sincerely wrong. And I think it
Speaker 13: can be compelling though, when they you know, when you
Speaker 13: want to be taken seriously, and you deserve to be
Speaker 13: taken seriously. And as women in the industry, they're often
Speaker 13: not taken seriously. When someone takes you seriously, it's easier
Speaker 13: to listen to what they have to say. And so
Speaker 13: if the Trump administration's coming forth and saying, hey, we
Speaker 13: take you seriously. Here's some information, and Harris Faulkner is
Speaker 13: interviewing her because they're not interviewing her on MSNBC. If
Speaker 13: Harris Faulkner is interviewing her on Fox News and they're saying, hey,
Speaker 13: we take you seriously, and she's at the United Nations,
Speaker 13: you know, and they're saying we take you seriously, then
Speaker 13: I see how their argument could be compelling, because again
Speaker 13: it's lightly dipped in truth, so that becomes I think
Speaker 13: how it plays out. So I think the best thing
Speaker 13: we can do is approach her with grace rather than
Speaker 13: attacking her, mocking her or whatever. Now, if she responds
Speaker 13: in a way that suggests that she's not open to
Speaker 13: critique or that she's going to move closer to the
Speaker 13: MAGA crowd regardless of what the facts are, and there
Speaker 13: is some sign of that on social media, then I
Speaker 13: say we can take we have to take a different approach,
Speaker 13: you know. But it is interesting to watch the trajectory
Speaker 13: of watching I watched Kanye fall out with jay Z,
Speaker 13: and I watched jay Z with close to Obama, and
Speaker 13: I watched Kanye move close to Trump, and then I'm
Speaker 13: watching her battle Cardi, and I'm watching Cardi speak with
Speaker 13: Kamala and suddenly she's grabbing the White House. I mean,
Speaker 13: there are some interesting parallels that if I were a
Speaker 13: conspiracy theorist or less generous or even an asshole, I
Speaker 13: might point out. But I'm not gonna point out none
Speaker 13: of that because I'm Mark.
Speaker 5: After you pointed out.
Speaker 3: I didn't see the Harris Fucker full interview. But do
Speaker 3: you all know whether or not Harris asked her about
Speaker 3: the two Trinidadians who were killed in the Yess government.
Speaker 2: I highly doubt it, but I love that you brought
Speaker 2: up her Trinidadian roots and what's happening with this administration.
Speaker 2: Is she going to turn a blind eye to that?
Speaker 2: To Mark's very point about when DJ Khalen is Palestinian
Speaker 2: and hasn't spoke out when his people are being harmed
Speaker 2: in part by the country or the inaction or the
Speaker 2: direct action of this country. So what is she going
Speaker 2: to say about out these fishermen right being killed in
Speaker 2: foreign waters?
Speaker 4: There is violations of international law happening. And I've heard her.
Speaker 2: Maybe she did in her backroom conversation with President Trump
Speaker 2: or the UN ambassador. Maybe that's what they talked about
Speaker 2: on the side.
Speaker 6: And for the audience. This is in reference to the
Speaker 6: President taking the very, very controversial, many believe illegal step
Speaker 6: of deciding unilaterally who is a drug smuggler and who
Speaker 6: is in and killing first and maybe asking questions later.
Speaker 6: But I've yet to see any evidence yet produced by
Speaker 6: the US government under Trump of how many kiloid kilos
Speaker 6: they found after these boats. That's where they are boats.
Speaker 4: That's all they are finding is keiloids.
Speaker 2: Andrew they finding keiloids because that's what happens to our
Speaker 2: skin sometimes when we get piercing. Now, I have one
Speaker 2: other point I want to raise on this, because one
Speaker 2: thing that you raise is so important. When we go
Speaker 2: in to do this type of work, when people ask
Speaker 2: us to speak out on issues that we're less familiar with,
Speaker 2: it's incumbent upon us, regardless of our platform, to talk
Speaker 2: to some people on the ground. So we have a
Speaker 2: clip where somebody in NIGERI who's an advisor I believe
Speaker 2: to the current Prime Minister in Nigeria, has this to
Speaker 2: say about what's really happening on the ground there.
Speaker 12: Nigeria's government insists it's taking steps to stop violence that
Speaker 12: targets all Nigerians.
Speaker 10: As irresponsible government, we refuse to approach the fight against
Speaker 10: terrorism from a profiling point of view. That's why we
Speaker 10: discourage the idea that it is a target targeted Kristian,
Speaker 10: it's a hawk, It's a hawks.
Speaker 12: Daniel Bowala is a Special Advisor on the Media Tubola Tanubu,
Speaker 12: who became Nigeria's President in twenty twenty three. Biwala grew
Speaker 12: up in Borno State, the epicenter of Boko Haran violence.
Speaker 10: We leave through these experiences where we have a little
Speaker 10: of a love war. Have them been killed by Bokoharam
Speaker 10: when it started the killings by the terroories or the
Speaker 10: insurgents or the Boharam. It is not targeted at any
Speaker 10: particular religion.
Speaker 4: Especial Advisor to the President.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, I misspoke, but yes, I just I
Speaker 2: wanted to raise that briefly, no question. Just wanted to
Speaker 2: raise that Briefly, Marcus write, in alignment with what you
Speaker 2: said about the violence being targeted towards people of both
Speaker 2: Christianity and Muslim religions, It's important for us to note
Speaker 2: that as we check, we fact check all of.
Speaker 1: This before we switch gears, because it felt like the
Speaker 1: gear is about to be switched. What can people? What
Speaker 1: can people who are here right who are listening to
Speaker 1: this show, who maybe are engaged because of Nicki Minaj
Speaker 1: now and like, okay, well Niki talked about it, so
Speaker 1: it's the first time I heard about it, right, or
Speaker 1: maybe that what.
Speaker 5: Can we do?
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're concerned about what's going on right
Speaker 1: now in Nigeria, what tangibly can people do?
Speaker 13: It's gonna be tough. There's a couple of things though,
Speaker 13: I mean, one thing you should think about is the
Speaker 13: humanitarian issue on the ground. There are people who are
Speaker 13: being harmed the Bocal Haram in particular, but also some
Speaker 13: of these other groups engage in sexual violence in addition
Speaker 13: to kidnapping and murders. So there are humanitarian organizations right
Speaker 13: now who are helping deal with rape crisis, who are
Speaker 13: helping deal with not famine but food insecurity because of
Speaker 13: what's happened, the invasion, building of schools. All of these
Speaker 13: things are necessary, and there are groups on the ground
Speaker 13: who we can donate to to help do that. To
Speaker 13: help fix that. In theory, you should be able to
Speaker 13: talk to the US ambassador. You should be able to
Speaker 13: talk to the UN ambassador as well the US Ambassador
Speaker 13: to the UN. You should also be able to talk
Speaker 13: to your members of Congress. In theory, I think the
Speaker 13: challenge of this is that, frankly, things that happen in
Speaker 13: Africa anywhere on the content we rarely care about as
Speaker 13: a US political body. That doesn't mean we shouldn't pressure them.
Speaker 13: If it means we should pressure them more and make
Speaker 13: them care about it. But I think those are the
Speaker 13: things we can do. We can apply pressure to our politicians,
Speaker 13: we can donate to humanitarian groups, and we can also
Speaker 13: raise awareness. The same way people spread misinformation and fake
Speaker 13: memes and all that other stuff, we can use our
Speaker 13: social media and other things to put a spotlight on it. Yeah,
Speaker 13: we did a special for BEET called Bring Back Our
Speaker 13: Girls a long time ago, and we had extraordinary support
Speaker 13: from Hollywood, extraordinary support from the political elite. We had
Speaker 13: extraordinary support from the media world. But it was because
Speaker 13: so many people on Twitter at the time were building
Speaker 13: that up and woll Michelle Obama stup there with that
Speaker 13: science saying bring back our girls, in front of the girls.
Speaker 13: It mattered. So putting a spotlight on this stuff, putting
Speaker 13: applying energy to it matters. Get your liberal white feminists
Speaker 13: right who say that they care about feminism, and we're
Speaker 13: telling us that all lives mattered. All that get them
Speaker 13: to care about these lives and these women and these girls,
Speaker 13: and to move and to have a critique of imperialism
Speaker 13: at the same time that they want to lean forward
Speaker 13: and move up and have it all.
Speaker 2: I love that this is going to be a great
Speaker 2: PSA for US mart because your camera switched right on
Speaker 2: Q as you did this.
Speaker 6: You're a new one. Mark.
Speaker 3: You just mentioned how very little happens on the continent
Speaker 3: that attracts American political leadership's attention. And we can recall
Speaker 3: from Trump's first term in office where he referred to
Speaker 3: African countries as shithole countries. He also tried to distinguish
Speaker 3: various parts of Africa from the continent of Africa, saying
Speaker 3: certain parts were not actually in Africa, but but but
Speaker 3: I'm really curious, based off of from that comment, what
Speaker 3: do you actually think is behind Trump's new affinity affection
Speaker 3: for the most populous nation in all of Africa on
Speaker 3: the continent. I think two hundred and thirty semi plus
Speaker 3: million people also rich in minerals and resources natural. I'm just,
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm feeling venuela sit go, you know, entering here.
Speaker 3: But but but I haven't heard any media sort of
Speaker 3: interrogating any real way why Trump, who never has interests
Speaker 3: on the continent, uh, suddenly has care concern and interest
Speaker 3: in in Nigeria.
Speaker 13: I think you're asking the right question. And again I'm
Speaker 13: going to defer to the experts on Nigeria because the
Speaker 13: one thing I've learned to do in my in my
Speaker 13: old age is and that yeah, stay in my lane
Speaker 13: and not speak too much about things I don't know
Speaker 13: too much about. So I'm going to stick to the
Speaker 13: rivers and lakes that I'm used to, which is the evangelicals, right,
Speaker 13: Because there's two pieces to this. There is the financial
Speaker 13: investment in Africa that we've seen as Africa has been
Speaker 13: sort of newly or recolonized. You know, we see when
Speaker 13: you walk to any through any country in Africa. Often
Speaker 13: you'll see a Chinese presence, you'll see an Indian presence,
Speaker 13: You'll see you know, there's that there, right, and so
Speaker 13: there's there's the re there's the redevelopment, and also the
Speaker 13: kind of what do you call it, the under development
Speaker 13: of Africa and the repatriation of real sources. That's all
Speaker 13: been part of the ongoing process on the continent of
Speaker 13: Africa for decades now. When you see the IMF, the
Speaker 13: World Bank, you know, and other organizations come in and
Speaker 13: impose structural adjustment policies, Basically they starve Africa and then
Speaker 13: they make you ask for a loan and then the
Speaker 13: conditions of repayment are so severe that you end up
Speaker 13: giving away all your stuff. So that's part of an
Speaker 13: ongoing process. Nigeria has been able to resist that, largely
Speaker 13: because they have such internal wealth and resources, and so
Speaker 13: it's interesting to watch them sort of navigate this. But
Speaker 13: it's also why I'm not convinced that this is about
Speaker 13: money exclusively. I think there's a bigger play here, which
Speaker 13: is to appeal to the evangelicals. Donald Trump doesn't have
Speaker 13: any feelings at all, He only has interests, and Donald
Speaker 13: Trump is particularly interested in appealing to the right wing
Speaker 13: of his base. He's the same people that hate Jews
Speaker 13: in love Israel, right, because they have a very particular
Speaker 13: investment in the evangelical Christian narrative and the evangelical Christian
Speaker 13: project or them that's proselytizing all around the world. That's
Speaker 13: also sort of imposing certain kinds of values around the world,
Speaker 13: the Christian nationalism in particular. So when you look in
Speaker 13: Nigeria and they're saying, look, the Christians are being persecuted,
Speaker 13: it becomes part of a bigger global narrative that they're
Speaker 13: trying to impose, right, which is to say that Christians
Speaker 13: are under attack and we have to fight back. That
Speaker 13: allows them to weaponize certain things, whether it's economic violence,
Speaker 13: whether it's military violence, in defense of Christianity. Even though
Speaker 13: so it's a solution looking for a problem, and Nigeria
Speaker 13: becomes another place where the solution is looking for the problem.
Speaker 13: But I don't want to disconnect the Christian or and
Speaker 13: it's not just Christians, to be clear, but it's just
Speaker 13: in this case, it is the kind of Christian the
Speaker 13: way that religion, let me take a step back, the
Speaker 13: way religion has been used and married to imperialism. It's
Speaker 13: like they said, you know, someone in the continent and said,
Speaker 13: you know, the missionaries came over here to our land
Speaker 13: and said, you know, close your eyes and let us pray,
Speaker 13: and they gave us Bibles. When we open our eyes,
Speaker 13: they had the Bible. You know, we had the Bibles
Speaker 13: and they had to land. You know, that comes part
Speaker 13: of the project sometimes. And so these things aren't disconnected.
Speaker 13: I don't know what the actual players specifically, but I
Speaker 13: do see these two things happening simultaneously and they don't
Speaker 13: seem coincidental.
Speaker 2: That's very helpful, can I I want to ask you Mark,
Speaker 2: because we've you know, spent a good amount of time
Speaker 2: talking about Nigeria and we've talked a little bit about Palestine.
Speaker 4: I want to.
Speaker 2: Ask you about the sacrifice you've made. We mentioned on
Speaker 2: this show how connected you've been to the people of
Speaker 2: Gaza and Palestine Palestine writ large.
Speaker 4: But I just I can't.
Speaker 2: You have been talking about this longer than like the
Speaker 2: newer protesters, the people's a tension has been awakened and
Speaker 2: consciences have been really pricked about what's happening in Palestine,
Speaker 2: and I just want to ask you, you know, what
Speaker 2: do you think is going to take to finally see
Speaker 2: peace in that region, to finally see a ceasefire happen,
Speaker 2: to finally see Palestine Anian lives matter right the same
Speaker 2: way that we cry out for black lives to matter
Speaker 2: here in this country.
Speaker 4: You are a scholar.
Speaker 2: This is a place where you're absolutely an expert, and sadly,
Speaker 2: I know you have to run out so in like
Speaker 2: in a in as briefly as you can, but as
Speaker 2: passionately as you can. What can you tell people who
Speaker 2: still don't care and need to care, is because it
Speaker 2: could happen to any of us.
Speaker 6: So I'm to have them not connected.
Speaker 13: I'm gonna give them because the I'm like Tony Marrison
Speaker 13: when I say people, I mean black people. So I'm
Speaker 13: gonna tell I'm gonna tell people why they should care.
Speaker 13: I'm gonna get three reasons. First reason is I think
Speaker 13: in general, just as an ethical matter and as a
Speaker 13: moral matter, we should care about human life. And right now,
Speaker 13: there are numerous places, not just historic Palestine, but we
Speaker 13: could look in Sudan, we could look at Haiti, we
Speaker 13: could look in Congo Uh. There are lots of places
Speaker 13: we could look at this. There are lots of places
Speaker 13: where land is being disputed. We could look in the
Speaker 13: Magrib area. We could look in sort of near Morocco
Speaker 13: Mauritania there and have questions. We could look at what's
Speaker 13: going on. I can name lots of places, but we
Speaker 13: could think about where land struggles are happening and say, hey,
Speaker 13: something needs to happen here, like Somaliland, for example, something
Speaker 13: that we don't talk about nearly enough in black media
Speaker 13: or media at all. But on the question of Palestine,
Speaker 13: that's another place where we should absolutely be looking and
Speaker 13: asking questions and thinking about just because it's tomorrow matter.
Speaker 13: And as Black folk, we've always been the moral leaders
Speaker 13: and stewards of this country. We've given America it's conscience.
Speaker 13: We are the conscience of this nation, and we have
Speaker 13: to continue to be because it's just the right thing
Speaker 13: to do. But then there are people to say I
Speaker 13: only care about where where my interests align. Well, I
Speaker 13: would say that right now when billions of dollars are
Speaker 13: being spent funding and supporting and offering military aid to Israel,
Speaker 13: and even more so since October seven, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 13: when we look at things like the exchange programs between
Speaker 13: policing models of the United States and what's happening in Israel.
Speaker 13: That's another example, and it's important. It's important to reiterate
Speaker 13: that it's in exchange. Right. Israel isn't teaching black people.
Speaker 13: He isn't teaching America how to kill black people. America
Speaker 13: have mastered that long time ago. This is about two
Speaker 13: different nations exchanging information to enhance the security state, which
Speaker 13: always makes brown people and black people and poor people
Speaker 13: and other people marked as other more vulnerable. All of
Speaker 13: this is part of what happens when you see these exchanges,
Speaker 13: and there are other things. When you watch the romance
Speaker 13: between Natanyahu and Trump, you see the consequences of that
Speaker 13: for not just for Israel Palestine, and not just for
Speaker 13: the United States, but for the entire regions. There could
Speaker 13: literally be a World War three brewing because of the
Speaker 13: United States's assistance with Netanyahu and expanding not just sort
Speaker 13: of greater Israel in terms of how it applies to Palestinians,
Speaker 13: but what that means for Lebanon, what that means for Syria,
Speaker 13: what that means for Iraq. Even when you watch the
Speaker 13: normalization that's happening with Saudi Arabia. He just welcomed Mahmad
Speaker 13: Densman to the White House life last week, which is crazy.
Speaker 13: I mean, it's absolutely nuts, and and didn't want any
Speaker 13: tough questions asked to said, you know, let's respect our guests.
Speaker 13: Nobody respected Jamal Hasjoji, right, our colleague, who was neither,
Speaker 13: you know, and not to mention all the other human,
Speaker 13: ugly human rights abuses that are happening in Saudi Arabia
Speaker 13: right now. But again, we are the United States is
Speaker 13: selective because it's not feelings, it's interests. Right when it's
Speaker 13: time to get oil, when it's time to strike resources.
Speaker 13: Now it's white men saving brown women from brown men.
Speaker 13: We got to go and liberate those women. But when
Speaker 13: it's something we want now they're best friends. So we
Speaker 13: have to look at that kind of policy, which is
Speaker 13: not a Republican policy, bipartisan. You know, I don't care
Speaker 13: if you look at any moment since probably the Kennedy
Speaker 13: administration in the US has had an awful Middle Eastern policy.
Speaker 13: Uh and they didn't have it before then because the
Speaker 13: British had it. It wasnt because we were good before all
Speaker 13: that to say the interests aligned, you know, imperialism, white supremacy, homophobia, transphobia,
Speaker 13: anti blackness. These things don't have passports, they don't stop
Speaker 13: at the border. These are global system and if we
Speaker 13: don't dismantle them everywhere, then they're gonna be a threat
Speaker 13: to us anywhere and in an interesting and may be
Speaker 13: self interested note, there's if you say I only care
Speaker 13: about black people and I don't care about what black
Speaker 13: people are. Well, there are black people everywhere. There are
Speaker 13: Afro Palestinians in Jerusalem. There are Afro Palestinians in Jericho.
Speaker 13: There are Beta is Ethiopian Jews. Inside of Israel. There
Speaker 13: are asylum seekers from Eritrea and Sudan inside of a
Speaker 13: southern Israel in the Negev. There are Hebrew Israelites in Demona.
Speaker 13: I've made a film called Black in the Holy Land,
Speaker 13: which looks at each of these groups and talks about
Speaker 13: their applight through the lens of the occupation. That should
Speaker 13: be out in the next few months. The trailer is
Speaker 13: still online, but the films about a few months. That
Speaker 13: gets at these things. So we have to care. But
Speaker 13: to your questions about what gets us peace, justice has
Speaker 13: to be the precondition for peace. It always has been
Speaker 13: and so until people get justice, there won't be peace.
Speaker 13: We can have debates about what justice looks like, but
Speaker 13: at the core, Palestinian people have to have their right
Speaker 13: to live with safety, with peace, with dignity, and with
Speaker 13: self determination. And that safety, peace, dignity, and self determination
Speaker 13: does not have to come at the expense of Jewish people.
Speaker 13: It cannot for the exact same reason. We have to
Speaker 13: create an outcome that allows everyone to live, everyone to thrive,
Speaker 13: and everyone to coexist. But I don't want to leave
Speaker 13: here with the idea that I'm offering some kumbayab. All
Speaker 13: sides matter, both sides are the same. No, there is
Speaker 13: an occupation happening. There is an apartheid state that exists.
Speaker 13: There is a genocide that is happening. And this has
Speaker 13: been happening for decades and now over a century, and
Speaker 13: so we have to address that. And as the United States,
Speaker 13: it's not just about us jumping in to be peaceful
Speaker 13: or nice or philanthropic. We're funding it, we're arming it,
Speaker 13: we're defending it diplomatically in the UN. We have to
Speaker 13: stop our role, but the global community also has to
Speaker 13: impose order and injustice. Again, not just an Israel Palestine,
Speaker 13: because that's the last thing we should be worried about.
Speaker 13: The International Criminal Court in a whole bunch of places.
Speaker 13: We should be thinking about the ICJ as well, in
Speaker 13: a bunch of places. Right now, the ICC is the
Speaker 13: ACC right, the Africa Criminal Court, we only seem to
Speaker 13: find them the energy to lock people up when they're
Speaker 13: brown and black. We should be looking around the globe
Speaker 13: to impose order in justice because international law is only
Speaker 13: as good as it's enforcement, and right now it's not nienforced.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: One of the questions I wanted to ask you is
Speaker 1: is going back to Nigeria because I'm intrigued by this
Speaker 1: because it's a political debate that comes up quite often.
Speaker 1: And just this week, those shut its doors, right, those
Speaker 1: dismantled a lot of what we did throughout the world
Speaker 1: in terms of soft power, et cetera. And there's been
Speaker 1: this void that has been filled by the Chinese. But
Speaker 1: talk about this kind of global nexus and competition that
Speaker 1: we're seeing for what are the resources of black people
Speaker 1: on the continent of Africa. I don't think that people
Speaker 1: truly understand that there is I think, I mean, I
Speaker 1: agree with everything you said, but I also think this
Speaker 1: is a proxy war against the Chinese in Africa that
Speaker 1: we're going to see play out. And the people that
Speaker 1: are not going to the people who are going to
Speaker 1: suffer the most are people who look like us.
Speaker 13: I think that's one hundred percent right History Mark twenty
Speaker 13: I think said, you know, history doesn't repeat itself, but
Speaker 13: you know it rhymes. You know, this is very similar
Speaker 13: what we saw in the first part of twenty century.
Speaker 13: When we think about the scramble for Africa, when we
Speaker 13: think about after World War One, when suddenly Europe was
Speaker 13: after you know, after the immin Empire sort of collapsed.
Speaker 13: You saw what happened in the Middle East. You see
Speaker 13: what happened in Africa. You saw people taking over countries.
Speaker 13: I mean very explicitly and directly and at best they said,
Speaker 13: you know, you people aren't ready for democracy. You people
Speaker 13: aren't ready for freedom. We'll control it until you're ready
Speaker 13: to control it for yourselves. Now, in this century, it
Speaker 13: looks and sounds very similar. These are failed states, These
Speaker 13: are governments that can't control themselves. These are people who
Speaker 13: are who are prone to violence, you know, et cetera,
Speaker 13: et cetera, et cetera, and so they can't it's not
Speaker 13: politically proper anymore to come in and just literally, you know,
Speaker 13: juridically take over at nation. So what they do is
Speaker 13: they take over the economies, they take over the stuff
Speaker 13: that map y'all can run it, you know, you call
Speaker 13: an empire on the cheap, right, y'all can run it.
Speaker 13: You can be president. Yeah, yeah, you're president. Right, But
Speaker 13: I'm controlling the destiny of your nation. I'm controlling the
Speaker 13: economic life of the nation. And you're right. China got
Speaker 13: the jump start on this. I remember being in Tanzania. Uh,
Speaker 13: maybe it was when a Barack Obama was winning the primary,
Speaker 13: so whenever, that was eight and I remember watching how
Speaker 13: much of Tanzania was Indian and Chinese and being somewhat
Speaker 13: shocked by it because I just didn't have the analysis yet.
Speaker 13: And then I went to other countries on the continent
Speaker 13: and saw the same thing. And now the United States,
Speaker 13: which is behind, is trying to catch up. And again,
Speaker 13: what's the best way to catch up and overtake a place?
Speaker 13: Disaster capitalism? How do you create a disaster by creating
Speaker 13: a moral panic or a crisis? How do you create
Speaker 13: a moral panic or a crisis? You point to the
Speaker 13: dominant group and say you're being you're being persecuted. Oh
Speaker 13: my god, the Christians are being killed everywhere. And again
Speaker 13: my heart goes out to all the Christians who are
Speaker 13: dying there. They're just not the only people dying. But
Speaker 13: a bunch of muscle was dying in Africa doesn't, doesn't
Speaker 13: turn the media on, but a bunch of Christians dying
Speaker 13: in America does. And so we're able to intervene, and
Speaker 13: suddenly there's crisis, there's war, there's battle, there's clean up.
Speaker 13: We're rich again, right, and that becomes the sort of
Speaker 13: pattern that we keep seeing historically in Latin America, on
Speaker 13: the continent of Africa, and in the in the geographic
Speaker 13: and political Middle East, and so I think we need
Speaker 13: to think about all that stuff. I got the role
Speaker 13: unfortunately speaking to the Middleast that I got an out
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Speaker 2: Paris has disappeared. I think Donald Trump kidnapped you that
Speaker 2: Where is he at.
Speaker 13: Paris?
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Speaker 4: You welcome home.
Speaker 13: To come home all right, safely, all right, talk to y'all.
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Speaker 5: In the last morning seen.
Speaker 1: That interview was dope with Mark and smart smart man.
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of wrap up the show. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not much left to be said. Sometimes you, as
Speaker 1: we say down South, you gotta leave well enough alone,
Speaker 1: Andrew give us a call to action.
Speaker 3: If you don't happy Thanksgiving, everybody, we showed up for
Speaker 3: you on this thanks for giving a week as a
Speaker 3: lot of folks are off, including.
Speaker 6: My three kids that are upstairs. They need to let
Speaker 6: out of the room. They've been in there for hours.
Speaker 6: But I feed them, y'all.
Speaker 3: I would just say, really, if you do get the
Speaker 3: opportunity to take time, no matter how big or small
Speaker 3: the gathering is, try to put down our devices and
Speaker 3: give some like devoted attention to the to the people who.
Speaker 6: We don't have forever with and they don't have forever
Speaker 6: with us.
Speaker 3: So try to enjoy the space that we occupy, you know,
Speaker 3: doing more than just breathing together while we're on our
Speaker 3: cell phones, but chatting, talking, getting to know our aunts, uncles, cousins,
Speaker 3: and them asking questions of our elders that might make
Speaker 3: them feel for a moment that they're more than just
Speaker 3: your grandparent or a grand or a great aunt, but
Speaker 3: they that they're people too, that they're seeing through the
Speaker 3: lens of like these people have full lives and still living.
Speaker 3: What are some things I can learn from them, So
Speaker 3: Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that mine is. I'm gonna let Angela go last
Speaker 1: to kind of take us into the holiday weekend. But
Speaker 1: mine is kind of simple. Something we talked about earlier
Speaker 1: with rankin County. But I just want us to pay
Speaker 1: attention to the people that are in the shadows doing
Speaker 1: this Thanksgiving. I know that we get all geared up
Speaker 1: and giddy about celebrating family when there are people out
Speaker 1: there sometimes that don't have much to celebrate. Let's make
Speaker 1: sure that we see them. I try to make time
Speaker 1: to see everyone, those people who clean up the hotels,
Speaker 1: those waiters and servers, those people sometimes we just simply
Speaker 1: ignore or put our nose up to. Thinking a lot
Speaker 1: about our brothers and sisters who are in jail, in prison,
Speaker 1: trying to change life, trying to do better about themselves.
Speaker 1: I think that we should give them some grace and
Speaker 1: remember that most of us out here trying to make
Speaker 1: sure that our tomorrow is better than our yesterday. So
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving from the Seller's Family, or since we've been
Speaker 1: giving props to them earlier, Happy Happy Things given from
Speaker 1: the Seller's Plan. Since Andrew wanted to make sure that
Speaker 1: we stayed on on track to tell you you can't
Speaker 1: play with kids these days.
Speaker 4: If the Black clansmen.
Speaker 6: Were killed kids, if the kids are for kids.
Speaker 2: Black plansmen, please yield. Okay, So I just want to
Speaker 2: share this with you all because I love this so much.
Speaker 2: There's a clip that's going around online, uh with some
Speaker 2: great black boy joy since that's kind of our closing
Speaker 2: theme anyway, I want to just share this with you all,
Speaker 2: so please check it out. I had y'all like, so
Speaker 2: for those of you who are listening and can't see, uh,
Speaker 2: there's this moment where a young black man is walking
Speaker 2: through the aisles of a store getting it, riding around
Speaker 2: and getting He's dancing like bringing people in, and his
Speaker 2: joy and his energy is contagious. I pray that your
Speaker 2: holiday feels just like that joy and after that, because
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a till Thursday to hit the stores,
Speaker 2: but by Friday, I need you to come on to
Speaker 2: the other truths because what's most important in this moment
Speaker 2: is our good Sister Latasha's telling us. The folks on
Speaker 2: the target fast are telling us we ain't buying. So
Speaker 2: please make sure that after you dance through the hours
Speaker 2: of the store till Thursday. After that, we ain't buying it.
Speaker 2: So that's my call to action. Make sure you won't
Speaker 2: buy it.
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