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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode number

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seven of the Native Lampod. Seven that

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Speaker 1: really matter because I joined then, but everybody else you

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Speaker 1: can count the first one hundred. Let us neither here

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Speaker 1: nor there. We're gonna give you all things. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: break them down, politics, culture, and we are your hosts.

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Speaker 1: My name is Bocari Sellers. That is Angela Rye. That's

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gillham, and then Tiffany Cross is with us as well.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. How you feeling what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Welcome home. I'm so glad Andrews Mike is off during

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Speaker 2: his cross talk.

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Speaker 3: That is amazing, Broke, I had to trade myself start

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Speaker 3: putting mute and keep cross talking.

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Speaker 4: I do that too, just so you know you're not alone.

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Speaker 4: I do that too. So today we have so much

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Speaker 4: to get into.

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Speaker 2: We are joined by Mark Lamont Hill, who is our

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Speaker 2: good friend, our brother, an author, a tremendous international rights

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Speaker 2: expert and focuses very much on his work in Palestine.

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Speaker 2: But we have a great conversation with him coming up

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Speaker 2: for you all.

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Speaker 4: Today.

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Speaker 2: I got some other lighthearted moments, but I'm gonna guil

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Speaker 2: to my co hosts on their topics.

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Speaker 5: I just jump. I was just listening. All right, you're.

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Speaker 6: Still a co host even when you host him. Bruh,

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Speaker 6: my bad.

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Speaker 2: I was just trying to move things along. Y'all don't

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Speaker 2: always get that we got to get to them toime.

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Speaker 6: Well, let me pick up what you put down.

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Speaker 3: I'll pick up what you put down, which is simply say,

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Speaker 3: because we have Mark who is so dexterious when it

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Speaker 3: comes to topics and who to talk to and how

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Speaker 3: to talk to them, I'm very, very curious to get

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Speaker 3: his take on a few things. One, how we deal

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Speaker 3: with celebrities and other influencers who we sometimes put it

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Speaker 3: a disadvantage by recruiting them into issues that they may

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Speaker 3: not be ready for prime time for us. I'd like

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Speaker 3: to hear some of his thoughts on how we not

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Speaker 3: how we grow the followship without losing the integrity and

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Speaker 3: the seriousness of the work.

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Speaker 7: So first, let me just say I have to step

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Speaker 7: out for a second, so you'll miss me for part

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Speaker 7: of the show. And I'm sad because I think I'm

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Speaker 7: going to miss the time when Mark is here, so

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Speaker 7: shout out to Mark. But I will get to experience

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Speaker 7: the Mark conversation like the audience does. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 7: to listening to that. And normally I like to yield

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Speaker 7: my time to viewer questions, but we did not get

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Speaker 7: any viewer questions this week. So I'm really excited just

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Speaker 7: to weigh in and jump in on what my co

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Speaker 7: hosts are talking about this week. And a reminder to

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Speaker 7: our viewers, please be sure to send in your questions comments,

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Speaker 7: even if it's a disagreement, because we like to hear

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Speaker 7: from you.

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Speaker 6: We say welcome home with they thought we were off

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Speaker 6: this week. If so, they like, We'll wait.

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Speaker 1: Over there trying to get those marshmallows for those candy insha.

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Speaker 6: Breakfast.

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Speaker 4: They were like, we went like marshmallows on our Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think honestly, when I go back and look at

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Speaker 1: the comments, I don't know if tiff has a fan

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Speaker 1: club or she has bots or whatever, but it's overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: I could be like, yeah, I enjoy spending my time

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Speaker 1: with my kids this week.

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Speaker 5: Well, Tiffany said, I'm like.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Tiffany said, the Bitchies stands what with millions with millions?

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Speaker 5: So I do want to talk about uh.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the Ranking County jail because

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Speaker 1: this shit bothered my spirit for the entire week. What

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Speaker 1: happened in Mississippi to an intellectually disabled man who was

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Speaker 1: in that jail. The story came out. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: our independent journalist and our local journalists who've been covering

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Speaker 1: those stories. But Ranking County Jail in Mississippi, it just

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Speaker 1: made me want to say Mississippi, Jesus. But we'll get

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Speaker 1: to that as we go through. This store is extremely sad,

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Speaker 1: and let's kick off the show. Let's have a good

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Speaker 1: time today. Where y'all want to start? I think we

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Speaker 1: should started in Nigeria.

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Speaker 2: Could we could start in Nigeria? But also I know

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Speaker 2: Andrew wants to talk to Mark about that.

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Speaker 4: I yeah, we didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say this, and we didn't have a production

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Speaker 2: call like normal. I really think we should talk about

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Speaker 2: this Trump and Donnie situation too, And I got again,

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Speaker 2: I got some lighter hearted things, but I really want

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Speaker 4: What went there.

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Speaker 1: We're picking up, Let's go down, because I know you

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Speaker 1: had my Donnie sitting there and the lights look bright.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about what happened in that in that uh,

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Speaker 6: It is a Friday night, you know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so then let's roll this clip because this one

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Speaker 2: in particular has been troubling my soul.

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Speaker 8: Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?

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Speaker 9: I've spoken about That's okay, Okay, it's easier than explaining it.

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Speaker 4: That don't so you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, y'all. I grew up with an activist daddy.

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Speaker 2: It could just be that I'm hyper sensitive to these things.

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Speaker 2: But I really felt triggered by Donald Trump giving him

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Speaker 2: permission to call him a fascist and then patent the dude.

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Speaker 4: I just really didn't like.

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Speaker 2: That, and it felt it felt staged in a way

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Speaker 2: that really did not feel good. If you all didn't see,

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Speaker 2: Mumdannie was on with Kristen Welker on Meet the Press.

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Speaker 2: She asked him if if he still thinks, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: if we have that clip, if he still thinks that

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a fascist, and he affirms that he does.

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Speaker 10: Do you think that President Trump is a fascist?

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Speaker 9: And after President Trump said that, I said, yes, and

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Speaker 9: so you do. And that's something that I've said in

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Speaker 9: the past I say today. And I think what I

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Speaker 9: disagreement about the politics that has brought us to this moment.

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Speaker 9: And we also wanted to focus on what it could

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Speaker 9: look like to deliver on a shared analysis of an

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Speaker 2: And so what I am troubled by in particular is

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Speaker 2: I do think that folks have to do what they

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Speaker 2: When you're an executive, you have to meet with all

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Speaker 2: don't like us making light of fascism. And I want

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Speaker 2: to bring your attention to the fact that just last

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Speaker 2: week before this meeting took place, Donald Trump was calling

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Speaker 2: all of them are veterans have served in the military

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Speaker 2: in some way, and they talked about and urged military

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Speaker 2: agree with military personnel not taking illegal orders. This commander

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Speaker 2: in chief calls for the death of those members of

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Speaker 2: mayor mayor elect, Mam Donnie is meeting with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: He's being padded to say it's okay to call him

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Speaker 2: a fascist. But fascism is anything to play with. So

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Speaker 2: I just want to put that out there. That's something

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Speaker 11: Who are you suggesting is planned with fashion?

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Speaker 12: Like?

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Speaker 11: Who's taking it lightly?

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm oh, I'm so sorry. Let me try again.

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Speaker 2: So when Donnie met with Donald Trump, when they did

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Speaker 11: Is yeah, yeah, I know, I'm look.

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Speaker 7: I guess I'm saying specifically, though, who are you saying

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Speaker 11: Is Trump the one you're saying was treating fashion?

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Speaker 2: He probably is, But what I'm saying is when you're

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Speaker 2: when you're playing it looks like you're playing foot seat

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Speaker 7: You're saying, Donnie, it looked to you like man, Donnie

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, Mom, Donnie looked like they were

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Speaker 4: It looked very chummy.

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Speaker 3: You looked there about the optics basically looked unseerious and

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Speaker 3: you know what was happening that day?

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Speaker 1: I mean, also, can I just give can I give

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Speaker 1: before y'all jump back into the discussion, many people need

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Speaker 1: to realize that the Mayor of New York and Andrew

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Speaker 1: this White House is a top seity, top secret security clearance.

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Speaker 1: he has to go through this White House. And that's

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons that the meeting actually happened. He

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Speaker 1: so that Donald Trump would have his And that's unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: Now you're playing with people's lives literally, but so that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump would not because they said that this would

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Speaker 1: be a big issue for his Department of Justice whether

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Speaker 1: or not Mam Donnie was able to complete the security

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that there there was an

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And the optics were what they were, So I'll let

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Speaker 1: y'all chime in from there, but I wanted our listeners

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Speaker 1: to understand what that purpose was.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but Cary, you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean the relationship with New York and the federal government,

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Speaker 3: largely in the counter terrorism space, policing and counter terrorism

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Speaker 3: space is significant, to put it mildly, and the city

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Speaker 3: of New York depends heavily on those dollars coming through

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Speaker 3: police department and other counter terrorism you know forces you

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Speaker 3: know up tip top top notch. Answer to your original point,

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Speaker 3: you know, these are tough, right, because Trump and his

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Speaker 3: because you know, from international leaders to national leaders here

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Speaker 6: I haven't seen many sit downs with mayors.

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Speaker 3: This may have been the first I observed in this

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Speaker 3: second administration under Trump. You know, they have a pension

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Speaker 3: for really getting quite froggy in those meetings. They work

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Speaker 3: to the embarrassment of the people who they who they

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Speaker 3: don't like. They you remember how they treated Zelensky when

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Speaker 3: a difficult thing to choreograph. What I felt about it

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Speaker 3: many flattering things about Trump. Trump kind of went out

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Speaker 2: And they got it, yes, and that is I think

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Speaker 4: Then when they look at the transcript, that's what it says.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump intervened to tell him it's okay to call

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Speaker 2: That is a big deal because it goes right to

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Speaker 2: That is what fascists do. They call for the death

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Speaker 5: I didn't even see that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they can go and the Republicans for forty five

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Speaker 3: But guess what, Donald Trump took the wins out of

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Speaker 6: In that meeting, I mean his over effusive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to say he everything that they've

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Speaker 4: I guess all I'm saying is it is rich to me.

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Speaker 2: These people are so tone deaf in the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 4: What are we talking about?

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Speaker 11: Which is I think.

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Speaker 2: Say, my name is Larry, and I volunteered fish.

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Speaker 6: My name Larry, and I volunteer to this.

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Speaker 11: Whoa come home, Come home?

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Speaker 1: Birthday to you?

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Speaker 1: So the video that you just saw there goes back

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Speaker 1: The New York Times, Local Investigations Fellowship, the Fund for

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Speaker 1: talking about a black folk not getting their benefit of

441
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Speaker 1: their humanity, and I wanted to just kind of get

442
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Speaker 1: you all thoughts on the imagery you saw. Why does

443
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Speaker 1: this keep happening and what do we have what is

444
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Speaker 1: the what do we learn from this?

445
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Speaker 7: When I see I didn't know that we were I'm

446
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Speaker 7: seeing this Rob McCary, I didn't watch the video in

447
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Speaker 7: the group chat, and so when I see things like that, sadly,

448
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 7: it's not surprising to me. But what I've been confronting

449
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 7: over and again is we've seen this type of despotism

450
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Speaker 7: decorate our screens. We've seen our blood spatter decorate our screens.

451
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Speaker 7: Bodycams have done nothing but give us a better view

452
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Speaker 7: of violence, often white violence towards black body. And it

453
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Speaker 7: really creates a wrinkle in time for me because for

454
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Speaker 7: all the people who wonder how was enslavement able to happen,

455
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Speaker 7: and we see physical violence against us, we see people

456
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Speaker 7: defending the most atrocious things against black people, brown people,

457
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Speaker 7: young girls, all of it. And for me, I think

458
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 7: it wasn't that long ago, and the people who shackled us,

459
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 7: abused us, berated us, oppressed us, suppressed us, their descendants

460
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Speaker 7: are not that far removed. So to me it seems like, oh,

461
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Speaker 7: I see how you all were not just okay with

462
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Speaker 7: the brutalities of enslavement that we've still never really put

463
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Speaker 7: in front of America's face. I see that you were

464
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Speaker 7: not just okay with it, but you celebrated it. It

465
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Speaker 7: was a joke to you. I hear them laughing at

466
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Speaker 7: this man. They're treating him as though he's an invalid.

467
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Speaker 7: They're talking to him as though he's a toddler. It's

468
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Speaker 7: a level of cruelty that I don't think we can

469
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Speaker 7: really wrap our minds around. I think we you have

470
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Speaker 7: a unique uncanny ability for humanity in ways that others don't.

471
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Speaker 7: So it's enraging. And you know, I am not promoting violence,

472
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Speaker 7: and I'm not inciting violence. But I don't know how

473
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Speaker 7: you meet those people in the middle. I don't know

474
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Speaker 7: how you consider those folks your fellow countrymen who can

475
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Speaker 7: treat you that way. I don't know what the other

476
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Speaker 7: side of that looks like. So as we're confronted with people,

477
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Speaker 7: because I can imagine who all those people in that

478
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Speaker 7: video voted for, as we're confronted with those people who

479
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Speaker 7: are now occupying the halls of Congress and perhaps arguably

480
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Speaker 7: even the White House, I don't know that a revolution

481
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Speaker 7: to overcome that is peaceful.

482
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Speaker 6: You know, Tiffany, really poignant comments.

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Speaker 3: I probably appreciated hearing them, you know, This video touches

484
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Speaker 3: on some of the activities that were taking place in

485
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Speaker 3: that jail, but some of the more I mean, some

486
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Speaker 3: of the equally as insidious parts were the deputizing of

487
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Speaker 3: other inmates to carry out retribution, beatings, whippings, to go

488
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Speaker 3: beyond where Uh, shriffs may have limits, the deputies and

489
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Speaker 3: and and jailers may have limits. They would have other

490
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Speaker 3: other inmates that they would call trustees, and these trustees

491
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Speaker 3: would then be admonished to then carry out this brutality

492
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Speaker 3: on behalf and under the cover of these shriffs deputies

493
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Speaker 3: inside the jail house.

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Speaker 6: I would also.

495
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Speaker 3: What Tiffany your comments, what what makes it more grotesque

496
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Speaker 3: for me is to see the number of black shriff's

497
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Speaker 3: deputies who then take on that same.

498
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Speaker 14: Despicable disposition as enslavers.

499
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Speaker 13: Right. They their their.

500
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Speaker 3: Proximity to the power of being able to decide who

501
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Speaker 3: gets pulled out and and handled, who gets you know,

502
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Speaker 3: retribution paid to them? Uh, who do you who do

503
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: you terrorize each night? And you've got black deputies on

504
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Speaker 3: black inmates, and a political system there that is diverse

505
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Speaker 3: in its representation that includes black elected officials. I don't

506
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Speaker 3: know if the bus was to be higher or not,

507
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Speaker 3: but I certainly feel like I said it higher for

508
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Speaker 3: for other black folks who become the lynchers themselves.

509
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Speaker 6: The whole, the whole piece of this thing is rank.

510
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 6: I mean ranking is right. Of course, yes, yes, black.

511
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Speaker 11: Black men beat family, but there are.

512
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Speaker 6: Too many that we can't name check, right.

513
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Speaker 3: And that's this, that's this really terrible spirit that says,

514
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Speaker 3: if I'm not on the side of the abuse, there

515
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 3: are only two sides here, the abused and then the

516
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Speaker 3: abusers and then those who stay silent and do nothing.

517
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Speaker 6: Who I who I?

518
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Speaker 3: Who? I automatically put under the abuser side of the equation.

519
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: But this was this whole system the reason why people

520
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: a national audience is going to be, you know, rattled

521
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 3: a bit by what they read from the New York Times,

522
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: from Mississippi Today and the other contributing resources. But ain't

523
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Speaker 3: nobody in Mississippi surprise today or rather to we go

524
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: in this when the XO was a first drive, ain't

525
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Speaker 3: nobody there surprised? And I would add to it a

526
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Speaker 3: whole bunch of other states. But I don't want to

527
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Speaker 3: offend nobody saying't gonna start name checking you know who

528
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Speaker 3: you are? Those of you who who.

529
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Speaker 6: And Tiffany what is understood need not be spoken?

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Speaker 3: Right. There are plenty of other places that can be

531
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Speaker 3: on the list that had didn't get this kind of

532
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: in depth reporting which took place here, which I think

533
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: is excellent at exposing. And now I'm looking for the accountability.

534
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: But this is taking place in far too many places,

535
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Speaker 3: and it is it doesn't raise an eyebera.

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Speaker 1: The accountability part is the thing that we're not gonna

537
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: get none of. Because this is why your Department of

538
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: Justice and the Civil Rights Division is so important. This

539
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: is why the work that Christen Clark did that's like

540
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: systematically being erased, This was why the consent orders because

541
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Speaker 1: it's not I mean, I'm suing the Alvin esk Glen

542
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: attentions in that Richland County right now. I have a

543
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Speaker 1: guy who was going through a mental health break that

544
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Speaker 1: they put in the shoe that you weren't supposed to put

545
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Speaker 1: him there. You're not supposed to put mentally ill people

546
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Speaker 1: in the special housing unit. He died from dehydration. He

547
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: died with rat bites on him. He was in feces

548
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: drinking water. The water broke, so he lost forty two

549
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Speaker 1: pounds like in a week. I mean, it's just but

550
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: this is it's not just ranking, It's not just Richland County.

551
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Speaker 1: I think the people sometimes and that you know, I'm

552
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: gonna talk about it in my car to action, But

553
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: we forget about some of our loved ones. I mean

554
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: this guy right here, I mean you look at him.

555
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean he had a family somewhere that had no idea.

556
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: They're probably outraged right now looking back on what he

557
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: went through because he probably wasn't even able to communicate

558
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: it or afraid to communicate it. But those are our

559
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: loved ones, and we have to take care of people

560
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Speaker 1: who are in the shadow sometimes.

561
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it talks about the retribution for those who spoke up.

562
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Speaker 3: This is a no win situation. If you were in

563
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: their crosshairs, you just had to bear it.

564
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Speaker 1: Ye had been there in twenty eighteen, and I would

565
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Speaker 1: dare say the same thing in twenty twenty five, Angela.

566
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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, you know, when I

567
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Speaker 2: think about what they're doing to dismantle the Department of

568
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Speaker 2: Justice and the kind of the safeguards that we were

569
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Speaker 2: at least starting to build, because it's never been safe.

570
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: The building that houses the Department of Justice is still

571
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: named the j. Edgar Hoover Building, and so we have

572
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: to be clear about the fact that it's never been

573
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Speaker 2: there to protect us or represent our best interests. But

574
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, when we consider what President Will

575
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: Mama was trying to do, President Biden Harris to Biden

576
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: Harris administration tried to do to stand up at least

577
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: some accountability measures, all of those things are gone. Now

578
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: there's no way to determine whether or not these officers,

579
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: you know, committed past wrongs, whether or not they if

580
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: they went moved to a different jurisdiction that they shouldn't

581
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Speaker 2: be hired.

582
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Speaker 4: That's gone.

583
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: And you consider what, you know, what prisons have to

584
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: do to ensure that they can qualify for federal dollars,

585
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: all of the benchmarks that are supposed to be in place,

586
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Speaker 2: to ensure that they're not overly punishing prisoners, which I mean,

587
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: it's prison like. I don't really like any of them.

588
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: I'm partially an abolitionist at least. I just don't get

589
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: how we can watch this and turn a blind eye

590
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Speaker 2: to it.

591
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Speaker 5: And this is in prison.

592
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: That's that's part of my point, Angela. In prison, this

593
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: is jail. Yes, they're not even convicted or nothing.

594
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, yes, no.

595
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Speaker 1: No, that's that just noo y'all, y'all took y'all, took

596
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: y'all went down this journey with me because I've been

597
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Speaker 1: praying about it and sending it to people and being like,

598
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Speaker 1: did y'all see this? Because I just wanted to make

599
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Speaker 1: sure that I wasn't going crazy because it was. It

600
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: was making me cry seeing that.

601
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Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, I.

602
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: Had to turn my head for sure.

603
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Speaker 11: Can I ask you?

604
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Speaker 14: I will say Jay Hoover should go down for a lot.

605
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 5: Hoover should go down.

606
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 6: He should go down for a lot.

607
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Speaker 3: But I will say this, and this is this is

608
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Speaker 3: this is just a restatement of history.

609
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Speaker 6: JACKA.

610
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: Hoover was horrible to our civil rights leaders and the

611
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: type of surveillance that he.

612
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Speaker 6: Is put in place.

613
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: But what Jajo Hoover also was what was relentless against

614
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Speaker 3: the FBI against the Ku Klux Klan, using the federal

615
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: federal laws that allowed him to many ways chase them

616
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Speaker 3: back into shadows and a lot of places and not

617
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: a album full effect. But but I just wanted to

618
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: balance out that that as he has the dubious designation

619
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Speaker 3: as having been so cruel and and and and invasive

620
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Speaker 3: to our civil rights leaders into black leaders and organizers.

621
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Speaker 6: He also had a particular.

622
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Speaker 3: Effect on pushing the ku Klux Klan out of a

623
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Speaker 3: lot of black people's front yards, backyards and communities over

624
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Speaker 3: that same period.

625
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Speaker 11: It was he he was and his intention was.

626
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Speaker 6: Opinions.

627
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Speaker 14: Opinion was that his tenure at the f B.

628
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Speaker 6: I also took very pointed.

629
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Speaker 3: How do you say, uh enforcement and pushing uh back

630
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Speaker 3: on the ku Klux Klan.

631
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Speaker 5: Which I'm sorry they had a quick question, but can we.

632
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Speaker 2: Get to the question just.

633
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, do you want to talk about this because I.

634
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Speaker 2: Addresses I do not want to be in the business

635
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: of finding no goddamn silver lining and know j Edgar,

636
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: goddamn hold it's.

637
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 6: Not a silver lin. It is not a silver lining. You.

638
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 3: I simply wanted to sit next to one fact another facts.

639
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Speaker 1: Okay, want your question, Timmy, you got you had a

640
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: question about it. You're talking about were talking about there.

641
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 5: He's not saying anything that's.

642
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 11: There was no but it's a lot of context there.

643
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 7: So let me just say, he's a horrible conversation, clearly

644
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 7: answered your.

645
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: Behind.

646
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 11: Let me say something good.

647
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 6: No, no, I wanted to say something good.

648
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Speaker 11: Or the or the reasons.

649
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 6: Okay, let me do that. That's a good point.

650
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Speaker 3: I appreciate you listen there, if you allow me. The

651
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: difference is I was attempting to point out that you

652
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: would think the vilest of what we would have experienced

653
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: as a people would have been in the thirties, forties, fifties,

654
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: sixties in this country. And I'm saying, when you set

655
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: that example next to what we are still experiencing, ranking

656
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: and its officials, the sheriffs. I don't know if everybody

657
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: got to read the New York Times. Deep God, but

658
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: a lot of people are implicated here, A lot of

659
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: systems are implicated here. And it happened not in the

660
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Speaker 3: dark of night, but in the under the bright detoxifier

661
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 3: of the sun, right the great revealer, right daylight, sunshine.

662
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 3: And nobody is raising a I mean, like I said,

663
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Speaker 3: it will play to a national audience because there's still

664
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Speaker 3: people who can clutch their pearls about it. But where

665
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: this stuff is going down, it causes no surprise, no shock,

666
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: no anything to anybody. So I was simply the callousness

667
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: of the past is only being uh, outdone by the

668
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: callousness of today that even if if Hoo could prosecute

669
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: the KKK, today the KKK appears to be welcomed in.

670
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Speaker 6: Full for.

671
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: You brought that around. You brought that around.

672
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 6: No, no, no, But the contact.

673
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: It was not just say TIF no, go ahead. I

674
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: just want to have one point.

675
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Speaker 7: No go ahead and say no, let's close that out

676
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 7: because I my question has nothing to do with that.

677
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: I just want to flag that as much as he

678
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 2: some people may want to credit him for taking down

679
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: the KKK, he also was a member of a fraternity

680
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: called Kappa Alpha that essentially you know.

681
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 6: Which they were, every campus.

682
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Speaker 2: Which and that's not to be considered with Kapa Alpha

683
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: PSI no, no.

684
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 6: No Alpha.

685
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 3: If you're in the South, you know what they don't.

686
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: I want to be clear about what I'm saying. They

687
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: want to be want to be probably still right now Confederates.

688
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: So they got right here.

689
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: There's that.

690
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: So I think we should be clear at some point

691
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: about why he is even attached to taking down the KKK.

692
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: That is, I think it's simply.

693
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Speaker 11: Okay, I agree that is a mini later. Let's because

694
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 11: I'm not here.

695
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 6: To defend him. I'm simply saying, when you compare.

696
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: The age that we thought was a bygone era, it's

697
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 3: not only not by gone, but it's back in spades.

698
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 11: It's here, but cary.

699
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 7: So my question for you is because we share a

700
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 7: lot of spaces and you, I mean, I think the

701
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 7: audience experiences a lot of your humor all the time.

702
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 7: And you know, there are people who watch you on CNN,

703
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 7: but a lot of people see you like joking around

704
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 7: a lot. And what a lot of people don't know

705
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 7: is probably every day, frequently you are arguing some sort

706
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 7: of case and you won't really talk about it. You

707
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 7: don't share a lot of details, but when it's over,

708
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 7: you might say, oh, this happened, or you'll just drop

709
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 7: a link in to some horrific event. A lot of

710
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 7: times things that are happening to black women or black people.

711
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 7: But there have been cases that you worked on involving

712
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 7: black women too, And it's like, God, you were carrying

713
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 7: all of this, Like none of us knew you so

714
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 7: busy making jokes in the group chat or you know,

715
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 7: being funny. We had no idea you were carrying all

716
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 7: of this. So I just want the audience to know

717
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 7: that about you, the kind of work that you do,

718
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 7: and then my question to you about it is how

719
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 7: do you manage what you do professionally? Because I know,

720
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Speaker 7: and if you read Maccari's first book, like you are

721
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 7: an emotional.

722
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I manage it well. I don't think

723
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: I think that how do you manage it? Is a presumptive,

724
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: you know kind of question. It's the question is rooted

725
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: in presumption, because you know, I think we all struggle individually,

726
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: usually under the cover of darkness. The challenge that I have, though,

727
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: is that I have to be a husband and raise

728
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: a family. So it's, you know, it's very difficult to

729
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: go through your emotional roller coaster throughout the day and

730
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: then have little people look up at you like why

731
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: is Daddy in the corner crying and then having to

732
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: explain to them state sanctioned violence, right, So you find

733
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: other ways to cope. I drink too much tequila. I

734
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: probably go outside too much and take my walks on

735
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 1: the phone. But I got a good family and good

736
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: and I got y'all. So as long as you know

737
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: Andrew doesn't want to have conversations about Jayega Hoover on

738
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner, and you're not bringing those damn room marshmallows

739
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: on the sweet potatoes.

740
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Speaker 5: I mean, we're gonna be all right.

741
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 2: People might want to try mushrooms on sweet potato.

742
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: That might actually be.

743
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Let's do this before we before we get to our

744
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: call to action. Let's do one moment of celebration because

745
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: all of our little nephew he get on their sometimes.

746
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm going to sports ball Tiffany, Uh,

747
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: all of our all of our little nephew shoulder saying,

748
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: this's got his first win as a starting quarterback.

749
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Speaker 5: And sometimes you do it. Don't make it easy. Plus

750
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 5: roll the clip of shador.

751
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: You don't throw no salt time it just let it

752
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Speaker 2: be sweet, just and spring because.

753
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 7: Excuse me, I was gonna say, obviously I know about it,

754
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 7: but can you all please explain to the audience for

755
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 7: those who don't, Okay.

756
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Speaker 15: When it's crazy, it's amazing, you know, off of one

757
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 15: week of practice. You know what I mean, this one

758
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 15: week of practice, so imagine you know what a full

759
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 15: off season looked like. It get dangerous, but it's just

760
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 15: a one week of practice. So I'm just truly thankful.

761
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Speaker 15: You know that everything happened.

762
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Speaker 4: So I wanted to just say for lack of confidence.

763
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: Sorry, I wanted to say and shout out to that confidence,

764
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: the black boy joy. And also he deserves to be confident.

765
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: But I wanted to say, tip, I know you're going

766
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: to shador. Sanders is joined the Cleveland Browns. He's done

767
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: something that no other rookie quarterback has done since nineteen

768
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: ninety five.

769
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 4: Against the Las Vegas Raiders.

770
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Speaker 2: He had his first victory as a member of the team,

771
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: and shout out to them twenty four to ten.

772
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 4: And he should be confident. He had a good go.

773
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 5: I'm with it.

774
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: And the reason I let that ride is because when

775
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield or another white boy comes out there and

776
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: acts the same way, they call that swag. And so

777
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: I got to be able to be able to call

778
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: it swag. But Monk's family, I can be like man

779
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: that boy, that boy confidence is through the roof and

780
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: it's all good. I'm happy for him, glad he got

781
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: a victory to ques. The thing about the NFL, though,

782
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: is you got to get more than just one. And

783
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: he's always Jeers. He's gonna always be judged to his

784
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: daddy standard because his daddy was one of the greatest

785
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: to ever do it and his daddy would tell you

786
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: about it. So cheers to the Sanders family. They gonna

787
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: have a good things give.

788
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 6: Yep.

789
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 7: Can I man ask one question? I was gonna explain.

790
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 7: Angela already explained it. She took what I wanted to say,

791
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 7: so I just will follow us a question. We're well,

792
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 7: I will explain this, but I'll allow somebody else to explain.

793
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 7: He did not get recruited early in the process. He

794
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 7: didn't get drafted.

795
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 11: Early in the process. Why because we're talking about his car.

796
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 5: I got a whole theory about that. I got a

797
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: simple theory, really unpopular.

798
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: Oh I want to hear this. Come on, KKK, let's

799
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: keep it going today. Dad got there. Let's keep it going.

800
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, just maybe the simple answer and the most

801
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: obvious reason is the answer, which is he just ain't

802
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: that good.

803
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: Wow.

804
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: Wow, that's definitely not my theory. My theory was going

805
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: to be. You know, I think that Shadur had a

806
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: really big college.

807
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: Run with a lot of nil deals.

808
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: As you all know, Nio became all right while he

809
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: was in college. And I think that because of how

810
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: much you know, confidence is attached to the Sanders brand,

811
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: he was I think penalized by it, I mean penalized

812
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: for it. I think in so many ways, you know, NFL.

813
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 4: Owners, they can collude.

814
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: To keep people out, they can collude to lift people

815
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: up and keep them in when they're not that good

816
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: be And I think that there was a very concerted

817
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: effort to punish him, to teach that little black boy lesson.

818
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: I don't have any facts. I just got a conspiracy

819
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 4: theory too.

820
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: It's based on history, right, Black af history, by the way,

821
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: which is still on the New York Times.

822
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 4: Bestsellers list, And I think that there's something to.

823
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: That, like we have to be able to hold two things.

824
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: This is a young man who has worked very hard

825
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: throughout his entire life, throughout his college career, and I

826
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: think is going to continue to work hard. Now. There

827
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: are people who get drafted very high up all the

828
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: time that they know they're attached to the brand because

829
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: they know it's going to sell tickets. If for no

830
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: other reason, I would have drafted the dude because it's

831
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: gonna sell tickets, you know. And so I'm just being honest,

832
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be good TV, it's gonna be entertainment.

833
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 2: So I would do that just off of the strength

834
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: of like whatever team ain't getting enough love right now,

835
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of them. You draft him because you

836
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: want to make good TV. It's gonna be a good

837
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: presser at the end. You're gonna go big on social,

838
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna go wide. So I think it's fascinating that

839
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: we're talking about him being below average.

840
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Speaker 4: Bakari. I definitely don't.

841
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: And now I know what, And first of all, he's

842
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. Ain't nothing below average about him.

843
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: I didn't NFL quarterback.

844
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: Well though a black NFL quarterback got drafted number one

845
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: in the draft. Yeah, that's true, so by the Tennessee Titans.

846
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: And so you know, he doesn't come in necessarily with

847
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: the baggage. I've been a you know, a deemed a

848
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: hater for a long time because South Carolina State used

849
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: to whoop up on Jackson State.

850
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Speaker 5: But that's neither here nor there.

851
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: Because you might be closer to you might be close

852
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: to me, at least to my opinion on it, I

853
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: don't have a I don't have a trunk opinion.

854
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 14: Just to say that, I just want to say, start they.

855
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: Start pipelining these kids. They've got these quotients from middle school.

856
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 3: You know where they are they are I mean no,

857
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: across the country. I mean this thing is like a people.

858
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 6: Bet on this stuff.

859
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but Alabama, Mississippi or all these places. Man,

860
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: they're watching these kids. They can't make introduction, you know,

861
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: they can't you know, approach them.

862
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 6: But these scouts.

863
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 3: Are they are they are collecting stats on these guys,

864
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: visiting them middle school, hanging out, checking them out. And

865
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: so the whole the whole recruiting piece to me, has

866
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: become very scientific, very data driven. And then the sor

867
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 3: the X factor, the thing that then makes the difference

868
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 3: are some of I think what you know, what what

869
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: what Angela's getting at? You know, is he overconfident? Is

870
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: he a little too big version, what's his attitude? Does

871
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: he play well with it? You know all these other

872
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: things that they've ben factor in. They say, yeah, we can,

873
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: we can go down on that, or we'll take a

874
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: year and observe. So it could be you know, one,

875
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: or it could be a mix of all of this stuff.

876
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 5: Well this we're gonna get. Oh go ahead, I'm sorry,

877
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 5: let me.

878
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: Just flag this really quick because again I know Tiff

879
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: was going to raise this, but since you brought up

880
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: the black quarterback that was drafted by the Tennessee Titans.

881
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: I think it prudent for me to acknowledge that my team,

882
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks, which has an eight and three record,

883
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: beat the Tennessee Titans, which has a losing record. They

884
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: have won one game one in ten record with that

885
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: black drafted quarterback.

886
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 5: Boy, why are you shitting on him? He can't play

887
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 5: all the positions. The boy is good.

888
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: Now, The boy's good. He's just out there by himself. Anyway,

889
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: we wanted to, We wanted to in this in this

890
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: in this piece on a on a celebratory note. So

891
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: shout out to the young man because he will. This

892
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: is something you'll always remember. It's your first victory in

893
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. I know we got this interview with Mark

894
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: Lamont Hill coming up, and I know that Tiff may

895
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: have to scadado, but I did want to make sure

896
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: that we could do something I want to do some

897
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: call the actions if you if you didn't mind, because

898
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: I think it's important that people.

899
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes people listen and they listen to mine.

900
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't know about y'all, but you know, our call

901
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: to actions to kind of get people to go out

902
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: there and do a little bit more of this holiday season,

903
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: So TIF go ahead and start.

904
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 11: Oh man, it's always me first.

905
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, I'm disappointed that I'm not going to be

906
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 7: because i have to run. I'm on deadline, and I'm

907
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 7: not going to be part of the Marklamont Hill situation.

908
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 7: But I think you guys are probably going to get

909
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 7: into Nigeria and what's happening there, So I just want

910
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 7: to say to people, and I'm so mad I'm not

911
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 7: going to be a part of the conversation, but I

912
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 7: just want to put this in front of people that

913
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 7: Western media has a habit of framing things that are

914
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 7: not always accurate, and to present this as though it

915
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 7: is a Christian genocide is not accurate, and Nigeria is

916
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 7: just one of many examples.

917
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 11: But if you.

918
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 7: Just start to expand your news diet, but even just

919
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 7: your reading diet and understanding the geopolitics and the history

920
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 7: of Africa, you will note a lot of times what

921
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 7: we see in Western media is a complete conflict to

922
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 7: what the rest of the world is experiencing. And if

923
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 7: you pay attention to these things, you will also know

924
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 7: a very sharp shift in the global stage a very

925
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 7: sharp shift in world superpowers and a very clear rise

926
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 7: of the global south. So I just want to put

927
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 7: that out there to the audience to please expand your

928
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 7: news diet and don't just read the headlines, don't just

929
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 7: read the stories. But like, spend weeks learning about this stuff,

930
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 7: and that will become habit. You'll start learning more about

931
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 7: it and disrupting this very white media.

932
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 13: We're glad to be able to do that.

933
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: We'll get to the rest of the CTAs after this

934
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: interview with Mark Money.

935
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for.

936
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 13: Letting me do that.

937
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 11: I want to come back and don but thank you

938
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 11: for letting.

939
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 6: Me get nice.

940
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 5: It's smart.

941
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 4: He is confident, keep going.

942
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 5: That's right. Nobody knows.

943
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: Look, we get a we get a chance today to

944
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: spend some time with our brother. We talked about him

945
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: a few times on this show. He is a is

946
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: a intellectual, he is brilliant, He is a professor, he

947
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: is a writer. He is just an all around renaissance

948
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: man of the culture, none other than Mark la my Hill.

949
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Welcome home, brother, How.

950
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 6: Are you welcome home? Mark?

951
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 13: Oh Man, I'm still happy to be here. I'm happy

952
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 13: to be home.

953
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: Can I just can I just say one thing before

954
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: we started. I was I was looking for Mark's number

955
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: earlier this year, and I called the number I had,

956
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: and then I watched Mark on the show talk about

957
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: how he changed numbers and only the people he wanted

958
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: to have this number.

959
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 6: I'm so glad you went.

960
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 5: Brother.

961
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 6: I thought you were gonna say strip Club answered, I said.

962
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 5: Okay, Well I was on the outside of Mark circle,

963
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 5: so I didn't get it. So I think Tiffany sent

964
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 5: it to me involuntarily. But welcome home. Brother's glad glad.

965
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 13: You I sent you the numbers. It was funny, is

966
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 13: I said you, And I said, all, y'all a number,

967
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 13: But I turned I was having a security issue that

968
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 13: I was getting and so I did it like real

969
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 13: suddenly in the middle of the night, I changed the

970
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 13: number and I sent it, but it went green for

971
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 13: most people. So like everybody I know thought that they

972
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 13: got this because they didn't get the number, and I

973
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 13: had to like show people. Look, I sent it to

974
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 13: you back in January, so you you were definitely on

975
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Speaker 13: the list. I'm gonna resentd it to you.

976
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate that.

977
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: What's going on, Auldre Pittman and you know, so you

978
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: put me in touch with your old track college classmate.

979
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: Shout out to Audi Doctor Pittman Price, shout out to

980
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: her for sure.

981
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: I want to ask you, Mark, so you know you

982
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: are a multi platform You have a show on Al Jazeera.

983
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: You are one of the hosts now of Joe Budden's podcasts.

984
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: You have nice school on YouTube. You are trying to

985
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: reach our people on every side, and I think we

986
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: join you in that. But the most important question of

987
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: this particular hour, doctor Mark lawan Hill, is are you

988
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: an asshole?

989
00:50:58,920 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 5: A hard hitting question?

990
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 4: You know, I do what I can.

991
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: Mark is going viral right now for shading Brian McKnight

992
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: for calling him an asshole.

993
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 4: And he had facts, So I have some facts too. Mark.

994
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: Now, I'm happy to go down my list to see

995
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: if it all checks out, but I'm willing to allow

996
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: you a yay or nay right in this moment before

997
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: I go down my list.

998
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 13: I'm scared of any research Angels done because she's too thorough.

999
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 13: But but second, I'm an asshole just on his face,

1000
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 13: I acknowledge it. I'm not a Brian McKnight genre asshole, uh,

1001
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 13: but I am. I'm like a smart ass, I'm like

1002
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 13: snarky I can tell you right, you know what I'm saying, like,

1003
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 13: that's why I fit in here.

1004
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: We all you know, I mean, we are using tricky

1005
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: words on us. Mark, that's you.

1006
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question though, because you're SOMTI,

1007
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: because you're so multi platform, how do you how do

1008
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: you prepared? Because I mean, it's different audiences and you

1009
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: have to be decently talented to meet each respect the audience.

1010
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 5: What is that?

1011
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: Because there are a lot of young people who listen

1012
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: to this show who want to be like you, who

1013
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: want to spend time on the forms. How do you

1014
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: prepare to meet those very very different audiences? Al Jazeira's

1015
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: audience is probably different from the Joe Button podcast, although

1016
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: there's a little overlap. But you know, how do you

1017
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: prepare to go into those different arenas?

1018
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 13: Deep study? Deep study? You know, I tell people all

1019
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 13: the time the hardest part of all of this is

1020
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 13: having the discipline to do the homework.

1021
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 9: You know.

1022
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 13: I meet professors who tell me that they want to

1023
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 13: be public intellectuals. And what I find is that when

1024
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 13: I meet the young grad student who's getting a PhD

1025
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 13: and they say they want to be a public intellectual,

1026
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 13: what they really mean is they want to be famous,

1027
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 13: you know, they want to be at the parties, they

1028
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 13: want to be on TV, they want to get stopped

1029
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 13: on the street. And I say, the best thing you

1030
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 13: can do to prepare yourself for any kind of serious

1031
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 13: intellectual work is to do the homework. Deep study. That

1032
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 13: deep study is the same thing we do before we

1033
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 13: go on air. It's the same thing we do whether

1034
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 13: it's CNN or Al Jazeera. It's the same thing I

1035
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 13: do before I go on Joe Budden podcasts. And that's

1036
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 13: what that's what that's what's made it all work for me.

1037
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 13: You know, before the Joe Button podcast episode airs, or

1038
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 13: even before we record, I come in with ten to

1039
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 13: fifteen topics that I'd like to discuss. Wein't gonna get

1040
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 13: to all ten to fifteen, but I talked to I

1041
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 13: think about ten to fifteen of them. If they pick

1042
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 13: any of them on that list, I gotta be prepared

1043
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 13: to talk about it, and I can't do it when

1044
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 13: I get there. So I'm waking up at five am

1045
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 13: and I'm reading and reading in on these things. The

1046
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 13: good thing is, if you stay in shape, you don't

1047
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 13: have to get in shape, right, So I rarely have

1048
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 13: to start from zero on something. But if you ask

1049
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 13: me about what's going on with Summer Walker and her

1050
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 13: boyfriend or her or her asking to be the side piece, yeah,

1051
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 13: I gotta do some reading. I gotta start from zero

1052
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 13: on that. That ain't what I know.

1053
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 5: Let me explain. Let me explain that to you if

1054
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 5: you want to.

1055
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 13: Doty explain it too well with Cary, I tell you

1056
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 13: if you know what I.

1057
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 5: Know, that's true.

1058
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: You know I don't know what just happen. Please Andrew, No,

1059
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: I would, I would know.

1060
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: I actually want to stay with this, this this line

1061
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: of questioning about preparation and to meet very audiences. There

1062
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: is oftentimes critique for entertainers celebrities who wade into political

1063
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: conversations or high political topics. Let's say Nicki minaj I

1064
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 3: e you know in Nigeria right or really the quote

1065
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: Christian persecutions occurring there.

1066
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 6: Uh.

1067
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 3: And we're going to talk a little bit about this

1068
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 3: later as well, my fellow co hosts. So I didn't

1069
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: want to go to deep in it, but Mark you

1070
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: you're something you said, jarred me on it, because how

1071
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 3: do you find the balance between wanting to invite as

1072
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: many diverse accessible voices as possible into the political discourse.

1073
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: God knows, we need more people talking about what's happening

1074
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 3: in this country, in our communities around the world affecting

1075
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: our people. But it's also very important that when you

1076
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 3: wade into some of these topics, especially when you have

1077
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: such a you know, large audiences who are not necessarily,

1078
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 3: you know, waking up in reading now Jazeera or the

1079
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: news in any shape or form other than on TikTok,

1080
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: So you bear responsibility to also be accurate and informed

1081
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: when when when you meet them. Oftentimes, when I hear

1082
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 3: us kind of talk in our echo chamber about who

1083
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 3: should and shouldn't, I think people receive it as like

1084
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 3: us determining license for who can talk about, you know,

1085
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: various political issues and who cannot.

1086
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 14: And that's not what I'm saying.

1087
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: But I do know that you get degrees in political

1088
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: science because I've got one, and I know that there

1089
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: are people who go to school for the study of

1090
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: these things and then are real practitioners in the work

1091
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 3: and reflect important analysis, experience, history contexts for these conversations.

1092
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 6: Where do you come down.

1093
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 3: On the side of of of And I'm thinking very

1094
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 3: specifically about sort of the entertainment crowd that is oftentimes

1095
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Speaker 3: sort of harangued into these things for one offs and

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00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: then toss to the side after they get shredded by

1097
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: every you know, googler out there about what they got

1098
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 3: right or what they got wrong on something.

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Speaker 6: You come, yeah, you know.

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00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 13: It's it's a tight rope, and we often put celebrities

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00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 13: in a very uncomfortable spot or maybe an impossible position.

1102
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 13: We ask them, we demand from them sometimes to speak

1103
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 13: up on issues. Why aren't you talking about such and such?

1104
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 13: And then when they say something we don't agree with,

1105
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 13: we say, you don't know what you're talking about. Stick

1106
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 13: to stick to rap, and stick to basketball, stick to baseball,

1107
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 13: stick to whatever. And so sometimes it becomes just a

1108
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 13: question of whether we like what they're saying or not.

1109
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 13: For me, what I like to ask from our celebrities

1110
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 13: is that they commit themselves to some sort of involvement

1111
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 13: in making the world better, some sort of make some

1112
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 13: sort of effort to leave the world better than you

1113
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 13: found it. However, you see that if you have a

1114
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 13: specific platform where you have a unique insight on something,

1115
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 13: or you're a uniquely positioned to address something, then I

1116
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 13: do add that you do that it's weird to me. Again,

1117
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 13: I'm not making a demand of dj Khalet, but it's

1118
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 13: weird to me as a Palestinian, as maybe one of

1119
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 13: the five most famous Palestinians in America. I'm going to

1120
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 13: give the Hadad family, you know that, But like there's others.

1121
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 13: But like, if you're DJ kaltt like, it's kind of

1122
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 13: hard for me to imagine that you could be not

1123
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 13: saying anything, or instead of just sitting there and eating

1124
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 13: your food, you're also talking about how great life is

1125
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 13: and making videos and eating crab meats, you know, while

1126
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 13: the world is on fire. That to me is weird.

1127
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 13: So that would be a case where I would say

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00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 13: say more. Now, if he comes out and says the

1129
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 13: exact opposite of what I think he should say, I

1130
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 13: might be pissed at that too, And that's on me.

1131
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 13: That's an unreasonable ask of me, So I have to

1132
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 13: be self critical about that as well. But for me,

1133
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 13: it's less about people saying what I don't like and

1134
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 13: more about them being cowardly. I don't think that Kalt

1135
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 13: is quiet because he has oppositional politics. I think he's

1136
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 13: quiet because he knows that it's better for business, for

1137
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 13: him not to wait into this matter on one side

1138
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 13: or the other. And that's what he's doing the old

1139
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 13: you know, Republicans and Democrats. By my sneaker line, that's

1140
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 13: what concerns me. But if you're going to speak up

1141
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 13: on any side of any issue, I do think it's

1142
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 13: important that you read and that you study, and that

1143
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 13: you know what's at stake, and that you don't assume

1144
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 13: that the first person that got to you is the

1145
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 13: person who is correct. Very often that's exactly what we

1146
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 13: assume in the case of Nicki Minaj and I'm scared

1147
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 13: to death these bars about the light mind mentions up.

1148
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 5: But it's OK.

1149
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 13: They are and it just is and that's what it is.

1150
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 13: They've been doing it all week. But for me, I

1151
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 13: don't have an issue with Nicki Minaj is saying, hey,

1152
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 13: I care about the persecution of Christians. I don't have

1153
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 13: an issue with her saying, hey, I want to weigh

1154
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 13: in on matters that are taking place on the continent

1155
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 13: of Africa. I think we should do more of that.

1156
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 13: My issue is she took the talking points and the

1157
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 13: argumentation I mean literally literally from Maga. Now again just

1158
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 13: because Migul say it, don't mean that it's wrong. It

1159
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 13: often does, but it doesn't mean that as such. Interrogated

1160
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 13: here the other side, see what's going on, because what

1161
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 13: they often do with the right is y'all know beter

1162
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 13: than me. What they often do is they take they

1163
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 13: their points are lightly dipped in truth. They'll take a

1164
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 13: thing that's true and make that the whole story. So

1165
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 13: are Christians dying in Nigeria? Yes they are. We just

1166
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 13: saw Are our Christians being Are they being forced to

1167
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 13: undergo all kinds of awful circumstances right now? Violence, kidnapping.

1168
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 13: We just saw a school rated and hundreds of girls

1169
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 13: kidnapped in the last week. It's the worst kidnapping since

1170
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 13: the Cheabot girls were kidnapped over a decade ago. That's awful.

1171
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 13: But if we frame it as a uniquely Christian thing,

1172
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 13: if we say that they're being attacked because they're Christian,

1173
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 13: we lose sight of what's actually happening in Nigeria. We

1174
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 13: lose sight of the actual complicated ethnic and tribal infighting

1175
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 13: and battles that are happening, and we lose sight of

1176
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 13: the fact that the people who are prevaying most of

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00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 13: the violence don't care if you're Muslim or Christian. Yes,

1178
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 13: they're killing Christians, but they're also killing Muslims. They're also

1179
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 13: kidnapping people for not being properly Muslim. This is a

1180
00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 13: political Islamist group that is basically saying we are we're

1181
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 13: going to rewrite the wrongs, we are going to fix

1182
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 13: the world. We are going to create an Islamic state.

1183
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 13: And to do that, yes, we have to kidnap and

1184
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 13: proselytize and fight, and let me take process house off

1185
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 13: the table, because that's very little of what they're doing

1186
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 13: that We're gonna kidnap, kill, torture to Muslim, burn churches. Yeah, yeah,

1187
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 13: but we're doing it to everybody. Yes, percent of Nigeria

1188
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 13: is Christian, but it's also equally Muslim and it's happening

1189
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 13: to them too. But if we frame it as a

1190
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Speaker 13: uniquely Christian persecution, we ignore why they're doing what they're doing.

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Speaker 13: We also ignore half the country who's also been Can we.

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Speaker 5: Ll be real?

1193
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, go ahead, No, we're gonna We're gonna roll

1194
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: this clip first because I have a question on the backside.

1195
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: I think we do. We but definitely because my question

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01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: is more generic. After we wrote this clip of Nicki

1197
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: Minaj and Harris Faulkner. But I have a just a

1198
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: more generic question, like what do we do with Nicki Minaj?

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Speaker 1: How do we engage her? Do we engage her? Does

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Speaker 1: she get credit for even having the courage to speak

1201
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: up or speak out about something she believes in? Those

1202
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: are and I'm not one way or another. Those are

1203
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: questions I genuinely have for you. But let's wrote this

1204
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: clip and talk about it on the backside.

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 8: Especially as artists and people in entertainment, I think it's

1206
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 8: it sometimes can feel scary to speak up about anything

1207
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 8: that may not be the norm or the popular thing

1208
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 8: to speak about. I never care if something is popular.

1209
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 8: I care about what rings true to me. To people

1210
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 8: who are going through hard times right now in Nigeria,

1211
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 8: I hope that when they see this being done, that

1212
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 8: it makes them feel heard. You know, that it makes

1213
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 8: them feel like Okay, someone someone cares.

1214
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, as Nicki minajen her, as Harris Faulkner put it

1215
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: her Sister in Christ right after she spoke at the

1216
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: United Nations last Tuesday, Cary, I'll yield to your question.

1217
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean what do we so like? I mean,

1218
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: so you have somebody who took a risk, right, who

1219
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: win in front of an audience that's non traditional.

1220
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 5: I see, I've never heard.

1221
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 13: I'm sorry, what's the risk?

1222
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,959
Speaker 1: I mean, just I would I would assume just Nicki

1223
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: Minaj having or the courage. I'm just I'm trying to

1224
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: play devil's advocate over here. That may not be the

1225
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: correct term, but there may be people who evaluate this

1226
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: and look at this and say that she's going to

1227
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: speak up for Christianity in front of an audience the

1228
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: non traditional for her. The four of us have some

1229
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: very strong critiques about the analysis she put forth. Where

1230
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: do we find that middle? Is there middle? Do we

1231
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: discount or discarder? Do we try to bring her in

1232
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: have conversations?

1233
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 5: What is?

1234
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: What do you do next with somebody who has the

1235
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: platform of Nicki Minaj when they take the step?

1236
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 13: Well, well, first, I read her as generously as possible.

1237
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 13: That's the first thing I do. I begin from that

1238
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 13: space of grace. I don't from the worst in Nicki Minaj.

1239
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 13: I don't assume that she's being cynical. I don't assume

1240
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 13: that she's being mendacious. I also don't sort of infantilize

1241
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 13: her by saying you're being duped by the right, you know.

1242
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 13: You know, I don't like that stuff. And I don't

1243
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 13: assume that she has a mental health issue, you know,

1244
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 13: or that this is drug induced. I'm raising those things.

1245
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 13: Those are all the things that people are saying on

1246
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 13: the internet. And I don't assume that I give her

1247
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 13: the generous read that she's thoughtful about this and just wrong.

1248
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 13: And so the first step I would do if I

1249
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 13: think somebody's wrong on an issue is engage them in dialogue,

1250
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 13: to reach out as I have, and say, here's some

1251
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 13: people who are experts on this, because this isn't my

1252
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 13: area of expertise, here's some people who are experts on this,

1253
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 13: who are from the country, who are very much on

1254
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 13: the ground internally, and who have a more robust analysis.

1255
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 13: Maybe talk to them and see how you feel after

1256
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 13: you talk to them. That, to me is the best

1257
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 13: thing that I can do. I agree that. I mean,

1258
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 13: even with that video with Harris Parkner, I think she

1259
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 13: feels what she's saying is true, and I think she's sincere.

1260
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 13: I just think she's sincerely wrong. And I think it

1261
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 13: can be compelling though, when they you know, when you

1262
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 13: want to be taken seriously, and you deserve to be

1263
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 13: taken seriously. And as women in the industry, they're often

1264
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 13: not taken seriously. When someone takes you seriously, it's easier

1265
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 13: to listen to what they have to say. And so

1266
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 13: if the Trump administration's coming forth and saying, hey, we

1267
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 13: take you seriously. Here's some information, and Harris Faulkner is

1268
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 13: interviewing her because they're not interviewing her on MSNBC. If

1269
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 13: Harris Faulkner is interviewing her on Fox News and they're saying, hey,

1270
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 13: we take you seriously, and she's at the United Nations,

1271
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 13: you know, and they're saying we take you seriously, then

1272
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 13: I see how their argument could be compelling, because again

1273
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 13: it's lightly dipped in truth, so that becomes I think

1274
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 13: how it plays out. So I think the best thing

1275
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 13: we can do is approach her with grace rather than

1276
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 13: attacking her, mocking her or whatever. Now, if she responds

1277
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 13: in a way that suggests that she's not open to

1278
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 13: critique or that she's going to move closer to the

1279
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 13: MAGA crowd regardless of what the facts are, and there

1280
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 13: is some sign of that on social media, then I

1281
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 13: say we can take we have to take a different approach,

1282
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 13: you know. But it is interesting to watch the trajectory

1283
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 13: of watching I watched Kanye fall out with jay Z,

1284
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 13: and I watched jay Z with close to Obama, and

1285
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 13: I watched Kanye move close to Trump, and then I'm

1286
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 13: watching her battle Cardi, and I'm watching Cardi speak with

1287
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 13: Kamala and suddenly she's grabbing the White House. I mean,

1288
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 13: there are some interesting parallels that if I were a

1289
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 13: conspiracy theorist or less generous or even an asshole, I

1290
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 13: might point out. But I'm not gonna point out none

1291
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 13: of that because I'm Mark.

1292
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 5: After you pointed out.

1293
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 3: I didn't see the Harris Fucker full interview. But do

1294
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 3: you all know whether or not Harris asked her about

1295
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 3: the two Trinidadians who were killed in the Yess government.

1296
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: I highly doubt it, but I love that you brought

1297
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 2: up her Trinidadian roots and what's happening with this administration.

1298
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: Is she going to turn a blind eye to that?

1299
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: To Mark's very point about when DJ Khalen is Palestinian

1300
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 2: and hasn't spoke out when his people are being harmed

1301
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: in part by the country or the inaction or the

1302
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: direct action of this country. So what is she going

1303
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: to say about out these fishermen right being killed in

1304
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: foreign waters?

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Speaker 4: There is violations of international law happening. And I've heard her.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she did in her backroom conversation with President Trump

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Speaker 2: or the UN ambassador. Maybe that's what they talked about

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Speaker 2: on the side.

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Speaker 6: And for the audience. This is in reference to the

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Speaker 6: President taking the very, very controversial, many believe illegal step

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Speaker 6: of deciding unilaterally who is a drug smuggler and who

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Speaker 6: is in and killing first and maybe asking questions later.

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Speaker 6: But I've yet to see any evidence yet produced by

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Speaker 6: the US government under Trump of how many kiloid kilos

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Speaker 6: they found after these boats. That's where they are boats.

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Speaker 4: That's all they are finding is keiloids.

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Speaker 2: Andrew they finding keiloids because that's what happens to our

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Speaker 2: skin sometimes when we get piercing. Now, I have one

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Speaker 2: other point I want to raise on this, because one

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Speaker 2: thing that you raise is so important. When we go

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Speaker 2: in to do this type of work, when people ask

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Speaker 2: us to speak out on issues that we're less familiar with,

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: it's incumbent upon us, regardless of our platform, to talk

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Speaker 2: to some people on the ground. So we have a

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Speaker 2: clip where somebody in NIGERI who's an advisor I believe

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Speaker 2: to the current Prime Minister in Nigeria, has this to

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Speaker 2: say about what's really happening on the ground there.

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Speaker 12: Nigeria's government insists it's taking steps to stop violence that

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Speaker 12: targets all Nigerians.

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Speaker 10: As irresponsible government, we refuse to approach the fight against

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01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 10: terrorism from a profiling point of view. That's why we

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Speaker 10: discourage the idea that it is a target targeted Kristian,

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01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 10: it's a hawk, It's a hawks.

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Speaker 12: Daniel Bowala is a Special Advisor on the Media Tubola Tanubu,

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Speaker 12: who became Nigeria's President in twenty twenty three. Biwala grew

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Speaker 12: up in Borno State, the epicenter of Boko Haran violence.

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Speaker 10: We leave through these experiences where we have a little

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Speaker 10: of a love war. Have them been killed by Bokoharam

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01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 10: when it started the killings by the terroories or the

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Speaker 10: insurgents or the Boharam. It is not targeted at any

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Speaker 10: particular religion.

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Speaker 4: Especial Advisor to the President.

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Speaker 2: Sorry about that, I misspoke, but yes, I just I

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Speaker 2: wanted to raise that briefly, no question. Just wanted to

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Speaker 2: raise that Briefly, Marcus write, in alignment with what you

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Speaker 2: said about the violence being targeted towards people of both

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Speaker 2: Christianity and Muslim religions, It's important for us to note

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Speaker 2: that as we check, we fact check all of.

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Speaker 1: This before we switch gears, because it felt like the

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Speaker 1: gear is about to be switched. What can people? What

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Speaker 1: can people who are here right who are listening to

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01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: this show, who maybe are engaged because of Nicki Minaj

1353
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: now and like, okay, well Niki talked about it, so

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Speaker 1: it's the first time I heard about it, right, or

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Speaker 1: maybe that what.

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Speaker 5: Can we do?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we're concerned about what's going on right

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Speaker 1: now in Nigeria, what tangibly can people do?

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Speaker 13: It's gonna be tough. There's a couple of things though,

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Speaker 13: I mean, one thing you should think about is the

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Speaker 13: humanitarian issue on the ground. There are people who are

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Speaker 13: being harmed the Bocal Haram in particular, but also some

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Speaker 13: of these other groups engage in sexual violence in addition

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Speaker 13: to kidnapping and murders. So there are humanitarian organizations right

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Speaker 13: now who are helping deal with rape crisis, who are

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Speaker 13: helping deal with not famine but food insecurity because of

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Speaker 13: what's happened, the invasion, building of schools. All of these

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Speaker 13: things are necessary, and there are groups on the ground

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Speaker 13: who we can donate to to help do that. To

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Speaker 13: help fix that. In theory, you should be able to

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Speaker 13: talk to the US ambassador. You should be able to

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Speaker 13: talk to the UN ambassador as well the US Ambassador

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Speaker 13: to the UN. You should also be able to talk

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Speaker 13: to your members of Congress. In theory, I think the

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Speaker 13: challenge of this is that, frankly, things that happen in

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Speaker 13: Africa anywhere on the content we rarely care about as

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Speaker 13: a US political body. That doesn't mean we shouldn't pressure them.

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01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 13: If it means we should pressure them more and make

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Speaker 13: them care about it. But I think those are the

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Speaker 13: things we can do. We can apply pressure to our politicians,

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01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 13: we can donate to humanitarian groups, and we can also

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 13: raise awareness. The same way people spread misinformation and fake

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01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 13: memes and all that other stuff, we can use our

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Speaker 13: social media and other things to put a spotlight on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: we did a special for BEET called Bring Back Our

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Speaker 13: Girls a long time ago, and we had extraordinary support

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Speaker 13: from Hollywood, extraordinary support from the political elite. We had

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Speaker 13: extraordinary support from the media world. But it was because

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Speaker 13: so many people on Twitter at the time were building

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Speaker 13: that up and woll Michelle Obama stup there with that

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Speaker 13: science saying bring back our girls, in front of the girls.

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Speaker 13: It mattered. So putting a spotlight on this stuff, putting

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Speaker 13: applying energy to it matters. Get your liberal white feminists

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Speaker 13: right who say that they care about feminism, and we're

1395
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 13: telling us that all lives mattered. All that get them

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Speaker 13: to care about these lives and these women and these girls,

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Speaker 13: and to move and to have a critique of imperialism

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Speaker 13: at the same time that they want to lean forward

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Speaker 13: and move up and have it all.

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Speaker 2: I love that this is going to be a great

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01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 2: PSA for US mart because your camera switched right on

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Speaker 2: Q as you did this.

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Speaker 6: You're a new one. Mark.

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Speaker 3: You just mentioned how very little happens on the continent

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Speaker 3: that attracts American political leadership's attention. And we can recall

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Speaker 3: from Trump's first term in office where he referred to

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 3: African countries as shithole countries. He also tried to distinguish

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Speaker 3: various parts of Africa from the continent of Africa, saying

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Speaker 3: certain parts were not actually in Africa, but but but

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Speaker 3: I'm really curious, based off of from that comment, what

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01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 3: do you actually think is behind Trump's new affinity affection

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Speaker 3: for the most populous nation in all of Africa on

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Speaker 3: the continent. I think two hundred and thirty semi plus

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Speaker 3: million people also rich in minerals and resources natural. I'm just,

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm feeling venuela sit go, you know, entering here.

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Speaker 3: But but but I haven't heard any media sort of

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Speaker 3: interrogating any real way why Trump, who never has interests

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Speaker 3: on the continent, uh, suddenly has care concern and interest

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Speaker 3: in in Nigeria.

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Speaker 13: I think you're asking the right question. And again I'm

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Speaker 13: going to defer to the experts on Nigeria because the

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Speaker 13: one thing I've learned to do in my in my

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Speaker 13: old age is and that yeah, stay in my lane

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01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 13: and not speak too much about things I don't know

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Speaker 13: too much about. So I'm going to stick to the

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Speaker 13: rivers and lakes that I'm used to, which is the evangelicals, right,

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Speaker 13: Because there's two pieces to this. There is the financial

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Speaker 13: investment in Africa that we've seen as Africa has been

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Speaker 13: sort of newly or recolonized. You know, we see when

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Speaker 13: you walk to any through any country in Africa. Often

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Speaker 13: you'll see a Chinese presence, you'll see an Indian presence,

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Speaker 13: You'll see you know, there's that there, right, and so

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Speaker 13: there's there's the re there's the redevelopment, and also the

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Speaker 13: kind of what do you call it, the under development

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Speaker 13: of Africa and the repatriation of real sources. That's all

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Speaker 13: been part of the ongoing process on the continent of

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Speaker 13: Africa for decades now. When you see the IMF, the

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Speaker 13: World Bank, you know, and other organizations come in and

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Speaker 13: impose structural adjustment policies, Basically they starve Africa and then

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01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 13: they make you ask for a loan and then the

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01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 13: conditions of repayment are so severe that you end up

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Speaker 13: giving away all your stuff. So that's part of an

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Speaker 13: ongoing process. Nigeria has been able to resist that, largely

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01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 13: because they have such internal wealth and resources, and so

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01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 13: it's interesting to watch them sort of navigate this. But

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Speaker 13: it's also why I'm not convinced that this is about

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01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 13: money exclusively. I think there's a bigger play here, which

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Speaker 13: is to appeal to the evangelicals. Donald Trump doesn't have

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Speaker 13: any feelings at all, He only has interests, and Donald

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01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 13: Trump is particularly interested in appealing to the right wing

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Speaker 13: of his base. He's the same people that hate Jews

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01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 13: in love Israel, right, because they have a very particular

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01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,879
Speaker 13: investment in the evangelical Christian narrative and the evangelical Christian

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 13: project or them that's proselytizing all around the world. That's

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01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 13: also sort of imposing certain kinds of values around the world,

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Speaker 13: the Christian nationalism in particular. So when you look in

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01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 13: Nigeria and they're saying, look, the Christians are being persecuted,

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01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 13: it becomes part of a bigger global narrative that they're

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01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 13: trying to impose, right, which is to say that Christians

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01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 13: are under attack and we have to fight back. That

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Speaker 13: allows them to weaponize certain things, whether it's economic violence,

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Speaker 13: whether it's military violence, in defense of Christianity. Even though

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Speaker 13: so it's a solution looking for a problem, and Nigeria

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Speaker 13: becomes another place where the solution is looking for the problem.

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Speaker 13: But I don't want to disconnect the Christian or and

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Speaker 13: it's not just Christians, to be clear, but it's just

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Speaker 13: in this case, it is the kind of Christian the

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Speaker 13: way that religion, let me take a step back, the

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Speaker 13: way religion has been used and married to imperialism. It's

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Speaker 13: like they said, you know, someone in the continent and said,

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Speaker 13: you know, the missionaries came over here to our land

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Speaker 13: and said, you know, close your eyes and let us pray,

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Speaker 13: and they gave us Bibles. When we open our eyes,

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Speaker 13: they had the Bible. You know, we had the Bibles

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Speaker 13: and they had to land. You know, that comes part

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01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 13: of the project sometimes. And so these things aren't disconnected.

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Speaker 13: I don't know what the actual players specifically, but I

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01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 13: do see these two things happening simultaneously and they don't

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Speaker 13: seem coincidental.

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Speaker 2: That's very helpful, can I I want to ask you Mark,

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Speaker 2: because we've you know, spent a good amount of time

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Speaker 2: talking about Nigeria and we've talked a little bit about Palestine.

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Speaker 4: I want to.

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01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 2: Ask you about the sacrifice you've made. We mentioned on

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Speaker 2: this show how connected you've been to the people of

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Speaker 2: Gaza and Palestine Palestine writ large.

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Speaker 4: But I just I can't.

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Speaker 2: You have been talking about this longer than like the

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01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: newer protesters, the people's a tension has been awakened and

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: consciences have been really pricked about what's happening in Palestine,

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01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 2: and I just want to ask you, you know, what

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 2: do you think is going to take to finally see

1493
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 2: peace in that region, to finally see a ceasefire happen,

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01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 2: to finally see Palestine Anian lives matter right the same

1495
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 2: way that we cry out for black lives to matter

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Speaker 2: here in this country.

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Speaker 4: You are a scholar.

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01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: This is a place where you're absolutely an expert, and sadly,

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Speaker 2: I know you have to run out so in like

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Speaker 2: in a in as briefly as you can, but as

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01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 2: passionately as you can. What can you tell people who

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01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: still don't care and need to care, is because it

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 2: could happen to any of us.

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Speaker 6: So I'm to have them not connected.

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna give them because the I'm like Tony Marrison

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01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 13: when I say people, I mean black people. So I'm

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01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 13: gonna tell I'm gonna tell people why they should care.

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01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 13: I'm gonna get three reasons. First reason is I think

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01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 13: in general, just as an ethical matter and as a

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01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 13: moral matter, we should care about human life. And right now,

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Speaker 13: there are numerous places, not just historic Palestine, but we

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 13: could look in Sudan, we could look at Haiti, we

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01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 13: could look in Congo Uh. There are lots of places

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01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,759
Speaker 13: we could look at this. There are lots of places

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Speaker 13: where land is being disputed. We could look in the

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Speaker 13: Magrib area. We could look in sort of near Morocco

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Speaker 13: Mauritania there and have questions. We could look at what's

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01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 13: going on. I can name lots of places, but we

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01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 13: could think about where land struggles are happening and say, hey,

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01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 13: something needs to happen here, like Somaliland, for example, something

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01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 13: that we don't talk about nearly enough in black media

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01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 13: or media at all. But on the question of Palestine,

1523
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 13: that's another place where we should absolutely be looking and

1524
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 13: asking questions and thinking about just because it's tomorrow matter.

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01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 13: And as Black folk, we've always been the moral leaders

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01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 13: and stewards of this country. We've given America it's conscience.

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01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 13: We are the conscience of this nation, and we have

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01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 13: to continue to be because it's just the right thing

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01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 13: to do. But then there are people to say I

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01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 13: only care about where where my interests align. Well, I

1531
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 13: would say that right now when billions of dollars are

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01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 13: being spent funding and supporting and offering military aid to Israel,

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01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 13: and even more so since October seven, twenty twenty three,

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01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 13: when we look at things like the exchange programs between

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01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 13: policing models of the United States and what's happening in Israel.

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 13: That's another example, and it's important. It's important to reiterate

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01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 13: that it's in exchange. Right. Israel isn't teaching black people.

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01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 13: He isn't teaching America how to kill black people. America

1539
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 13: have mastered that long time ago. This is about two

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01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 13: different nations exchanging information to enhance the security state, which

1541
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 13: always makes brown people and black people and poor people

1542
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 13: and other people marked as other more vulnerable. All of

1543
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 13: this is part of what happens when you see these exchanges,

1544
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 13: and there are other things. When you watch the romance

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01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 13: between Natanyahu and Trump, you see the consequences of that

1546
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 13: for not just for Israel Palestine, and not just for

1547
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 13: the United States, but for the entire regions. There could

1548
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 13: literally be a World War three brewing because of the

1549
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 13: United States's assistance with Netanyahu and expanding not just sort

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01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 13: of greater Israel in terms of how it applies to Palestinians,

1551
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 13: but what that means for Lebanon, what that means for Syria,

1552
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 13: what that means for Iraq. Even when you watch the

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01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 13: normalization that's happening with Saudi Arabia. He just welcomed Mahmad

1554
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,959
Speaker 13: Densman to the White House life last week, which is crazy.

1555
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 13: I mean, it's absolutely nuts, and and didn't want any

1556
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 13: tough questions asked to said, you know, let's respect our guests.

1557
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 13: Nobody respected Jamal Hasjoji, right, our colleague, who was neither,

1558
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 13: you know, and not to mention all the other human,

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01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 13: ugly human rights abuses that are happening in Saudi Arabia

1560
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 13: right now. But again, we are the United States is

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 13: selective because it's not feelings, it's interests. Right when it's

1562
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 13: time to get oil, when it's time to strike resources.

1563
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 13: Now it's white men saving brown women from brown men.

1564
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 13: We got to go and liberate those women. But when

1565
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 13: it's something we want now they're best friends. So we

1566
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 13: have to look at that kind of policy, which is

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01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 13: not a Republican policy, bipartisan. You know, I don't care

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01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 13: if you look at any moment since probably the Kennedy

1569
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 13: administration in the US has had an awful Middle Eastern policy.

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01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 13: Uh and they didn't have it before then because the

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01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 13: British had it. It wasnt because we were good before all

1572
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 13: that to say the interests aligned, you know, imperialism, white supremacy, homophobia, transphobia,

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01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 13: anti blackness. These things don't have passports, they don't stop

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01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 13: at the border. These are global system and if we

1575
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 13: don't dismantle them everywhere, then they're gonna be a threat

1576
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 13: to us anywhere and in an interesting and may be

1577
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 13: self interested note, there's if you say I only care

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01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 13: about black people and I don't care about what black

1579
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 13: people are. Well, there are black people everywhere. There are

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01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,879
Speaker 13: Afro Palestinians in Jerusalem. There are Afro Palestinians in Jericho.

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01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 13: There are Beta is Ethiopian Jews. Inside of Israel. There

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01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 13: are asylum seekers from Eritrea and Sudan inside of a

1583
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,879
Speaker 13: southern Israel in the Negev. There are Hebrew Israelites in Demona.

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01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 13: I've made a film called Black in the Holy Land,

1585
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 13: which looks at each of these groups and talks about

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01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 13: their applight through the lens of the occupation. That should

1587
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 13: be out in the next few months. The trailer is

1588
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 13: still online, but the films about a few months. That

1589
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 13: gets at these things. So we have to care. But

1590
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 13: to your questions about what gets us peace, justice has

1591
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 13: to be the precondition for peace. It always has been

1592
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 13: and so until people get justice, there won't be peace.

1593
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 13: We can have debates about what justice looks like, but

1594
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 13: at the core, Palestinian people have to have their right

1595
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 13: to live with safety, with peace, with dignity, and with

1596
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 13: self determination. And that safety, peace, dignity, and self determination

1597
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 13: does not have to come at the expense of Jewish people.

1598
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 13: It cannot for the exact same reason. We have to

1599
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 13: create an outcome that allows everyone to live, everyone to thrive,

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01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 13: and everyone to coexist. But I don't want to leave

1601
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 13: here with the idea that I'm offering some kumbayab. All

1602
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,560
Speaker 13: sides matter, both sides are the same. No, there is

1603
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 13: an occupation happening. There is an apartheid state that exists.

1604
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 13: There is a genocide that is happening. And this has

1605
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 13: been happening for decades and now over a century, and

1606
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 13: so we have to address that. And as the United States,

1607
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 13: it's not just about us jumping in to be peaceful

1608
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 13: or nice or philanthropic. We're funding it, we're arming it,

1609
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 13: we're defending it diplomatically in the UN. We have to

1610
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 13: stop our role, but the global community also has to

1611
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 13: impose order and injustice. Again, not just an Israel Palestine,

1612
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 13: because that's the last thing we should be worried about.

1613
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 13: The International Criminal Court in a whole bunch of places.

1614
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 13: We should be thinking about the ICJ as well, in

1615
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 13: a bunch of places. Right now, the ICC is the

1616
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 13: ACC right, the Africa Criminal Court, we only seem to

1617
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 13: find them the energy to lock people up when they're

1618
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 13: brown and black. We should be looking around the globe

1619
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 13: to impose order in justice because international law is only

1620
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 13: as good as it's enforcement, and right now it's not nienforced.

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01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: One of the questions I wanted to ask you is

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: is going back to Nigeria because I'm intrigued by this

1624
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: because it's a political debate that comes up quite often.

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01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: And just this week, those shut its doors, right, those

1626
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: dismantled a lot of what we did throughout the world

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01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: in terms of soft power, et cetera. And there's been

1628
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: this void that has been filled by the Chinese. But

1629
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: talk about this kind of global nexus and competition that

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01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: we're seeing for what are the resources of black people

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01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: on the continent of Africa. I don't think that people

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01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: truly understand that there is I think, I mean, I

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01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: agree with everything you said, but I also think this

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01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: is a proxy war against the Chinese in Africa that

1635
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: we're going to see play out. And the people that

1636
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: are not going to the people who are going to

1637
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,799
Speaker 1: suffer the most are people who look like us.

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Speaker 13: I think that's one hundred percent right History Mark twenty

1639
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 13: I think said, you know, history doesn't repeat itself, but

1640
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 13: you know it rhymes. You know, this is very similar

1641
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:08,799
Speaker 13: what we saw in the first part of twenty century.

1642
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 13: When we think about the scramble for Africa, when we

1643
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 13: think about after World War One, when suddenly Europe was

1644
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 13: after you know, after the immin Empire sort of collapsed.

1645
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 13: You saw what happened in the Middle East. You see

1646
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,520
Speaker 13: what happened in Africa. You saw people taking over countries.

1647
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 13: I mean very explicitly and directly and at best they said,

1648
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 13: you know, you people aren't ready for democracy. You people

1649
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 13: aren't ready for freedom. We'll control it until you're ready

1650
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 13: to control it for yourselves. Now, in this century, it

1651
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 13: looks and sounds very similar. These are failed states, These

1652
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 13: are governments that can't control themselves. These are people who

1653
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 13: are who are prone to violence, you know, et cetera,

1654
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 13: et cetera, et cetera, and so they can't it's not

1655
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 13: politically proper anymore to come in and just literally, you know,

1656
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 13: juridically take over at nation. So what they do is

1657
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 13: they take over the economies, they take over the stuff

1658
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 13: that map y'all can run it, you know, you call

1659
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 13: an empire on the cheap, right, y'all can run it.

1660
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 13: You can be president. Yeah, yeah, you're president. Right, But

1661
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 13: I'm controlling the destiny of your nation. I'm controlling the

1662
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 13: economic life of the nation. And you're right. China got

1663
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 13: the jump start on this. I remember being in Tanzania. Uh,

1664
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 13: maybe it was when a Barack Obama was winning the primary,

1665
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 13: so whenever, that was eight and I remember watching how

1666
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 13: much of Tanzania was Indian and Chinese and being somewhat

1667
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 13: shocked by it because I just didn't have the analysis yet.

1668
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 13: And then I went to other countries on the continent

1669
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 13: and saw the same thing. And now the United States,

1670
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 13: which is behind, is trying to catch up. And again,

1671
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 13: what's the best way to catch up and overtake a place?

1672
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 13: Disaster capitalism? How do you create a disaster by creating

1673
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 13: a moral panic or a crisis? How do you create

1674
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 13: a moral panic or a crisis? You point to the

1675
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 13: dominant group and say you're being you're being persecuted. Oh

1676
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 13: my god, the Christians are being killed everywhere. And again

1677
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 13: my heart goes out to all the Christians who are

1678
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 13: dying there. They're just not the only people dying. But

1679
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 13: a bunch of muscle was dying in Africa doesn't, doesn't

1680
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 13: turn the media on, but a bunch of Christians dying

1681
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 13: in America does. And so we're able to intervene, and

1682
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 13: suddenly there's crisis, there's war, there's battle, there's clean up.

1683
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 13: We're rich again, right, and that becomes the sort of

1684
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 13: pattern that we keep seeing historically in Latin America, on

1685
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 13: the continent of Africa, and in the in the geographic

1686
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 13: and political Middle East, and so I think we need

1687
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 13: to think about all that stuff. I got the role

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01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 13: unfortunately speaking to the Middleast that I got an out

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Speaker 13: zero show. I do want to ask people. I started

1690
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Speaker 13: a Patreon and I would love people to support it.

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Speaker 13: and sign up. It allows me to do the work

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Speaker 13: that I do outside of the corporate media.

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Speaker 5: Ward.

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01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 13: I can't do independent or grassroots or black or any

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01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 13: other kind of radical journalism. If I have to be

1697
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Speaker 13: beholding the corporate checks, so please support that Patreon. I'm

1698
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Speaker 13: talking about y'all three too. Uh and my dear sister

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Speaker 13: Tiffany go to Patreon and sign up and I greatly

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Speaker 13: appreciate it. But Kari, I'm gonna text you too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Those who know no, they seen these feet, they know.

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Speaker 2: Mark on that note, are you about to take your

1706
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Speaker 2: feet to the cheesecake factory or not?

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Speaker 13: We need royalties for that, yo, We need royalties for that.

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Speaker 13: And I ain't heard from Paris since you ever talked

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Speaker 13: to them.

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01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 2: Paris has disappeared. I think Donald Trump kidnapped you that

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Speaker 2: Where is he at.

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Speaker 13: Paris?

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Speaker 11: Paris?

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Speaker 2: Holler at us, blink if you see us and you

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Speaker 2: converted to the other side, if you swap places with Nikki,

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Speaker 2: will put you on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: You welcome home.

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Speaker 13: To come home all right, safely, all right, talk to y'all.

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Speaker 13: Fee who cares about truth?

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Speaker 5: In the last morning seen.

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Speaker 1: That interview was dope with Mark and smart smart man.

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01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of wrap up the show. I mean,

1723
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: there's not much left to be said. Sometimes you, as

1724
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: we say down South, you gotta leave well enough alone,

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01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: Andrew give us a call to action.

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Speaker 3: If you don't happy Thanksgiving, everybody, we showed up for

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Speaker 3: you on this thanks for giving a week as a

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Speaker 3: lot of folks are off, including.

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Speaker 6: My three kids that are upstairs. They need to let

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Speaker 6: out of the room. They've been in there for hours.

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Speaker 6: But I feed them, y'all.

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Speaker 3: I would just say, really, if you do get the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to take time, no matter how big or small

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01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 3: the gathering is, try to put down our devices and

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Speaker 3: give some like devoted attention to the to the people who.

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Speaker 6: We don't have forever with and they don't have forever

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Speaker 6: with us.

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Speaker 3: So try to enjoy the space that we occupy, you know,

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01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 3: doing more than just breathing together while we're on our

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01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 3: cell phones, but chatting, talking, getting to know our aunts, uncles, cousins,

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01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 3: and them asking questions of our elders that might make

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Speaker 3: them feel for a moment that they're more than just

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Speaker 3: your grandparent or a grand or a great aunt, but

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Speaker 3: they that they're people too, that they're seeing through the

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Speaker 3: lens of like these people have full lives and still living.

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Speaker 3: What are some things I can learn from them, So

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Speaker 3: Happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that mine is. I'm gonna let Angela go last

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Speaker 1: to kind of take us into the holiday weekend. But

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Speaker 1: mine is kind of simple. Something we talked about earlier

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Speaker 1: with rankin County. But I just want us to pay

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01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: attention to the people that are in the shadows doing

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01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: this Thanksgiving. I know that we get all geared up

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01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 1: and giddy about celebrating family when there are people out

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01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: there sometimes that don't have much to celebrate. Let's make

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Speaker 1: sure that we see them. I try to make time

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01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: to see everyone, those people who clean up the hotels,

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01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 1: those waiters and servers, those people sometimes we just simply

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01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: ignore or put our nose up to. Thinking a lot

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01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: about our brothers and sisters who are in jail, in prison,

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01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: trying to change life, trying to do better about themselves.

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01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: I think that we should give them some grace and

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01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: remember that most of us out here trying to make

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Speaker 1: sure that our tomorrow is better than our yesterday. So

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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving from the Seller's Family, or since we've been

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01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: giving props to them earlier, Happy Happy Things given from

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Speaker 1: the Seller's Plan. Since Andrew wanted to make sure that

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Speaker 1: we stayed on on track to tell you you can't

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01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: play with kids these days.

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Speaker 4: If the Black clansmen.

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01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:15,480
Speaker 6: Were killed kids, if the kids are for kids.

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Speaker 2: Black plansmen, please yield. Okay, So I just want to

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Speaker 2: share this with you all because I love this so much.

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01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: There's a clip that's going around online, uh with some

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Speaker 2: great black boy joy since that's kind of our closing

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01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: theme anyway, I want to just share this with you all,

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Speaker 2: so please check it out. I had y'all like, so

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Speaker 2: for those of you who are listening and can't see, uh,

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Speaker 2: there's this moment where a young black man is walking

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Speaker 2: through the aisles of a store getting it, riding around

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01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 2: and getting He's dancing like bringing people in, and his

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01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 2: joy and his energy is contagious. I pray that your

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01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 2: holiday feels just like that joy and after that, because

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a till Thursday to hit the stores,

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01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 2: but by Friday, I need you to come on to

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01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 2: the other truths because what's most important in this moment

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Speaker 2: is our good Sister Latasha's telling us. The folks on

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Speaker 2: the target fast are telling us we ain't buying. So

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Speaker 2: please make sure that after you dance through the hours

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Speaker 2: of the store till Thursday. After that, we ain't buying it.

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Speaker 2: So that's my call to action. Make sure you won't

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Speaker 2: buy it.

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