WEBVTT - Palestine will be free 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.120 I'm Tamika d Mallory and it ship Boy. 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.720 My son is generally we are your host of t 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:10.239 M I Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:16.080 New name, New Energy. What's going on? My son, Lennon? 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.160 I am blessed, black and Holly favored. How are you 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:19.919 feeling today? 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.880 Doing good? I'm doing good. It was a good Labor 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:23.640 Day weekend. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:32.120 I had a great family experience, my family Day, which 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:36.559 my mother has a family reunion every two years that 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:41.280 moves around the country. So different family members choose or 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.880 vote on. Excuse me, we all vote on the different 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:47.159 family members who. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.000 Throw their ring in the what do they call it, 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.960 their hat in the ring, the hat in the ring. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.000 There you go, hat in the ring to have the 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.560 reunion move to their city. So that happens two years. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.040 So this was this year. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.319 In July, we did my mother's reunion back in my 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.840 grandmother's town. Everybody was saying, you know, we want to 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.400 go back home. It all started, and so the reunion 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:16.759 was held in July in Monroeville, Alabama. That was great. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.199 And then my family in. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.880 North Carolina, which is my father's side, they have what 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.440 is called a Family Day at my grandmother's house, which 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.800 is now my aunt's house in the yard directly connected 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:35.399 to the cotton field where so many of our people, 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:41.360 our ancestors and family members pitt cotton and so you know, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:42.880 there's a whole history there. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.440 And up until now, my. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.440 Aunts and uncles and my father, my mother, they were 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.880 the ones to handle Family Day. But the last time 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:00.080 we met, which was under unfortunate circumstances, which is the 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.560 death of my cousin, we decided as the next generation 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.240 would be my generation to take over. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:09.679 So this was our first year. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:14.160 Planning Family Day and executing it, which is you know, 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.079 kate food and cleaning tape. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:19.120 And they don't. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:24.400 Believe in a fully catered experience. They want us and 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.680 they have been doing it for many years to work together. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:32.400 So some you know, different people taking on different responsibility. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.920 Somebody handling t shirts, somebody coordinating the food, other people 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.800 ordered the tent, cleaning down the chairs, like that's a 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:44.360 part of the experience that your actual hands are in 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:49.720 the baking of this this particular event. And we worked 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.880 really hard and I got an opportunity to see how 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.040 much our aunts and uncles have done in the past 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.120 to make sure that something so great could happen for 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:00.960 us every year. When we used to just roll up 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.160 with the sodas, that was our only job, and now 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.000 we had to do all of that work. So when 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.240 I got home that evening or back to the hotel 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.320 that evening, I was filthy from the top of my 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.480 head to the bottom of my feet. I had bugs 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.800 down in my shirt dead, there was stuff in my eyelashes. 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.200 I mean, it was like a it was like war, 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.720 best time in my life. So it was a great 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.880 labor day weekend. It's been a great summer of a 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.320 lot of family time and you know, also a lot 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:31.760 of work. 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.120 Obviously, my book is coming. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.920 And the other thing I've been doing in between working traveling, 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.920 whether it was Martha's being or the DNC or the 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:47.720 family days and all of that is sitting down editing, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:53.760 rewriting stuff, thinking of new things. And you know, on today, 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:59.440 actually Wednesday, the last version of the book is being submitted. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.320 So that's it. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:06.160 February eleven, I live to tell the story. My book 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.240 will be out, and so I think this summer for 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.920 me has really been a great summer. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.480 But that's that's that's sounding like a whole lot. Well, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.040 you've been doing a whole lot, man. So first I 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.640 want to congratulate you on the book that I already 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.240 got my you know, my pre order in. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:24.719 You know, I can't wait to get that book and 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:25.479 thank you. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.400 And you know, I know that you work tirestly on 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.160 the book and just tiresle period just doing a lot 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.760 of things. You wear a lot of different hats, and 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.480 so just want to say proud of you for doing 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:42.799 that and pleading that task. My you know, my hasn't 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:47.320 been as as exciting as yours. But you know, we 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.600 didn't we didn't talk about Mariam Day because we missed 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.520 an episode, but we didn't talk about how Miriam Day. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.320 My yearly block community event that I do, you know, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.640 to commemorate and bring back the communit that grew up 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.680 in since I was three years old. We do it 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:07.039 every year and this was the Knife Annual and it 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.880 was a beautiful event. People came out, We fed people, 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.080 We gave away book bags until for a lot of food, 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.599 we had crabs and shrimps. Then they don't be giving 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.359 out no crabs and shrimps at the community event. But 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.640 it was a dope event. Basketball games, face painting, you know, 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.560 everybody came out, no incidents, ain't nobody beating nobody up, 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.080 no shooting. So that's that's always what we want to do. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.960 We want to present things to the community that they 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.960 can enjoy themselves and there's no violence and it's. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.240 Just love and peace. Man. So we accomplished that. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.359 Actually, next year is ten years, so we're trying to 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.320 do it real big for the ten year anniversary. As 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.000 far as Labor Day weekend, Man, I was with my boys. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.000 They you know, they they soccer champions. So they had 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.200 a soccer tournament, the Labor Day Soccer Tournament in which 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.200 our I was for Saturday and Sunday. You know, both 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.080 of them played really well, even though they didn't get 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:09.640 the championship. This year in this event, they've been racking 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:11.400 up championships. 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.479 But they both played really, really hard. You know. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:19.320 I love watching them play sports because it reminds me 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.560 of the time that I played sports. And unfortunately, you know, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.559 by the time my older my well, Cameron, my oldest 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.200 son is twenty six, but Cameron is my middle son 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.960 and he just turned thirteen a couple of weeks ago, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:38.960 and I realized that I didn't have a father at thirteen, right, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.440 and I played basketball, and I was good at basketball, 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.840 but I didn't have like a lot of friends of mine, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.560 they had their fathers at the games, like rooting for 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.200 them or just speaking up for them or giving them 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.800 some level of energy, And you realize how much you 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.560 need that or you want that, right. I used to 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.599 go to those tournaments and a lot of kids that 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.320 I played against they had whole families there, and I 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.039 really was just dead by myself. A couple of the 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.600 teammates we cheered each other, but there was no extra 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.480 person there to give me the boost, the energy, to 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.800 give me confidence. Like when I wasn't confident, if the 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.680 coaches was yelling at me and made me feel like 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.200 I didn't do good or me and one of the 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.120 players got into something, I had to figure out how 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.360 to get over that by myself, like you know, and it. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.200 Was it was a difficult thing. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:32.600 And I know that had I had that that father figure, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.560 that person a family member there with me, I know 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.600 I would it went a lot further, you know. So 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.360 it's always good watching them play and being able to 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.600 be that for them, like even if they're mad and 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.320 I'm like, y'all need you to do this and I'm 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.240 talking to them. Sometimes they don't want to listen. But 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.480 you see that, you know, coaches, you know, you see 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.080 how it resonated. The coaches realize that you're invested in 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.280 your child, so they make sure that they treat your 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.320 child a certain way. They make sure they give them 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.240 certain amount of playing time. They see that you're invested, 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.200 so they invest right. So there was there's a there 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:06.960 was a there. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.640 Was a moment in the game and they was playing hard. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:14.720 They was down to zero and this team that my 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.080 youngest son Kesto was playing against was they were. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.960 Bigger, they were rough. You know, he's playing real. 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:24.560 Rough, and I seen him getting down. I've seen him 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.000 like the team was getting down. And then I just 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.800 was like, we're not gonna quit. We're gonna play hard. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.920 We're going to go out there and fight. And it 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:33.840 was the time. The guy had did some rough and 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.640 pushed him to the floor and he looked like he 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.920 wanted to cry, and I said, when out crying, get 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.600 up and you're gonna fight back and you're gonna play. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.040 And there was this energy that he got up with 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.400 hearing my voice that it took away the tears that 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.720 he was about to have and he even though they lost, 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.560 they fought. That last three minutes was like the best 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.680 thing I've ever seen. That whole team just fought back 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.280 hard like they they didn't just lay down. They didn't 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.720 just you know, with their heads down. They fought and 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.120 I clapped for them. Everybody clapped for them because they 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.199 seen that. So that was one that was like a 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.520 highlight for me. And then afterwards, I told my son, 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.040 you know, even though you lost, you played hard man, 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.160 and he said, I know, I know, and I said, 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:14.840 and you didn't cry. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.000 So I didn't cry that. I didn't cry, and he wanted. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.760 To because he got pushed to the ground really hard. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.760 He was It was frustrating. You're trying to do stuff. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.720 These dudes are physically just overwhelming them, and you could 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.840 tell he just wasn't They didn't understand that level of physicality, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.040 but they realized that's what it's gonna take to get 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.080 to the next level. So so that was pretty much 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.080 the highlight of my weekend. You know, I was in 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.080 all the way Daddy Mold shout out to both of 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.440 my sons, and I was in Grandpop Mods, so I 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.080 had my grandson with me. Then that night too, so 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.199 I was in g pop modes, so shout out to 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.000 Kasar too well. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.040 We jumped straight into our interview this and our little 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:53.520 Tumba vacation has not been our regularly scheduled program and 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:58.000 at TMI will be back next week with all the things, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.760 the thought of the day, the eye don't get it, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.240 and just you know, so many of the other components 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.880 to our show that we've kind of been taken a 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.880 breather for the summer as we run and do and 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.680 events and everything, and just thanking you all so much 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.040 for sticking with us. We're gonna have our guests come 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.960 in right now have an important conversation with this system. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.800 Who is our asista? 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:24.400 All right? 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.319 So, as I said, our sister Oura is joining us today. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.280 I think that, you know, one of the. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.520 Reasons why I was it was really heavy on me 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.360 to make sure and as we've been talking about all 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:42.360 the way through election day, we're gonna be heavily focused 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.960 on this sort of political dynamics and also the issues 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:52.360 that people are concerned about in this election cycle. And 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.680 with these two candidates, I mean there's more, obviously, but 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:00.240 the two dominant which were again we've said that a 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.600 million times, will say it again. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.400 We don't agree that there. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:08.360 Should only be two parties in place that have an 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:14.080 actual chance of winning. It's unfortunate that the alternative is 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.760 that the other people can help one of the two 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.760 candidates lose. But we've not been able to figure out 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.000 how to get one of those other candidates from a 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.360 third party or independent party to win. And I think 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.400 that's something that we have to be very much so 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.360 focused on. It's something that you and my son have 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:33.479 been talking about. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:33.840 For a while. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.920 But as we sort of travel down this road election 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.120 is coming up. There's a lot of heavy, hot and 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.840 heavy talk in this moment about this election season. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:46.080 We know that we. 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:50.520 Cannot lose sight of major issues, and one of them 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:55.400 being Palestinian rights, one of them being just looking at 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.599 genocide in general, not just in Palestine, but the genocide 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:03.320 that is taking place around the world, even to our 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:08.160 brothers and sisters in the Sudan and Congo, the horrific 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.240 situation in Haiti, which. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.959 America is all up in all of this. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.600 Like, so everybody understands that, you know, we're really clear 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.880 that America is unfortunately a heavy hand in all of 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.240 these situations and we want to educate, and so we 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.120 wanted Linda to come on today. We're fit, you know, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.960 holidays are over, folks are getting back into you know, 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.880 work one and two, focusing on who they're going to 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:38.000 be voting for in November and what issues they're focused on. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.400 And we just want to make sure that we always 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.760 always let the world know that this show and that 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.760 we as individuals and collectively will always be a part 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:50.160 of the movement. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:50.719 To free Palestine. 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.120 So I want to just thank you Linda for coming 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.080 on today, and we love you so much. 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.520 Thank you my sister and brother. I love you both 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:58.000 so much. 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:00.560 So let's get started. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.040 We don't have a long time, but wanted to just 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.120 want to talk about Linda because you know what. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.640 I think a lot of people. 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.559 Still are not clear on I think, you know, social 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.720 media has done a good job and a bad job, 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.720 but in this particular situation, I would say TikTok and 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.160 Instagram there have been accounts that have done a very 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.240 good job of educating people on the history of all 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:26.760 of this. So I don't think we got to go 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.559 nineteen forty eight because I'm pretty much a lot of 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.600 people are like, Okay, I get it right. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.280 But what I want people. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:40.440 To understand is that this idea that black folks have 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:45.720 been engaged in this dialogue, this conversation about Palestine, It's 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.160 been going on for a long time, and you educated 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.720 me before I even knew on the leaders that we 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.000 admire who stood up for Palestinian rights. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:56.640 Why don't you talk a little bit about that. 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.800 Absolutely, I think you're right to make a lot of 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.360 pep people know the history nineteen forty eight, It's been 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.559 almost seventy seven years of occupation, of displacement of Palestinians. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.559 But what people don't know much about, especially in light 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:13.800 of this controversy and this weird tense conversation that's happening 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.760 on the Internet between black folks and Palestinians or pro 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:21.200 Palestinian activist and advocates, is that there's a longstanding history 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:25.680 that nobody can puncture between black liberation movements and Palestinian 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.600 liberation movement anyone who you put your fist up for, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.840 from Malcolm X to Kwame Tuay, to the Black Panther Party, 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.440 even to Doctor King. Oftentimes there'll be a mixed kind 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.240 of stories and messages about Doctor King, and yes, doctor 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.640 King initially saw on the state of Israel and this 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.880 what they at the time were portraying as a liberation movement. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:51.400 But once he started getting educated, once he started understanding 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.400 what was truly happening there, even Doctor King evolved over time, 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.320 and so there has been critique of Zionism coming out 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:04.200 of black liberty movements for decades back, and Black leaders 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.680 who have traveled back to Middle Eastern countries, who have 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:13.280 sat with Palestinian leaders have built across borders for years 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:14.680 that this is not a thing. I mean, you could 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:19.960 pull up you know, Stokely Carmichael aka Kwame Toure, Malcolm X, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:24.040 other leaders from the Black Panther Party, anyone from doctor 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.080 Angela Davis. I mean, these are the people right now 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.280 that as Black people are fighting for rights, they oftentimes 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.640 put forth these names as people who. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.080 Inspire them, who move them. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.560 And these are people who have been in consistent solidarity 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.560 with the Palestinian people throughout their lifetime and even after 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.640 some of them have passed their writings, their speeches are 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.360 often used in this moment. People like James Baldwin, like, 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.160 there's a lot of people who have invoked their opinion 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.840 on this issue and oftentimes have seen the Palestinian people 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.320 as the oppressed and have made connections between black people 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.000 and Palestinians. 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.520 It's very important because a lot of people will try 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.000 to act like this is not our issue. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:05.480 You know, this is not their issue. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.520 They don't they haven't been with us and we haven't 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.880 been like and that's actually not factual. And you just 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.760 pretty much broke that down. So as we look in 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.800 this climate right now and where we are in this 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.520 presidential election, you know, we're aware of what's going on 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.400 in Paliestan. There's a Genoesi happening in palistin in America 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.040 is pretty much funding that. You know, we're aware of that, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:34.040 and we understand the Palestinians are saying that America has 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.920 to stop funding Genosa, the Genosti has to stop. But 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.920 there's also a sentiment about the presidential election. We have 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.480 a black woman running for the president of the United States, 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.320 and the black women has an opportunity to actually be 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.040 elected the president. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:48.560 Of the United States. 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.560 So there are black people, black women mainly, and just 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.200 black people in general who are willing to figure out 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.640 how do we get her elected and how do we 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:04.200 still will support Palestinians right. So that's a very it's 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.640 a very slippery slope because we want to be able 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.800 to call out America, right, But we also understand the 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.560 time we're in. We understand the alternative to what that 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.320 looks like. So what do you say to the people 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.399 that say, hey, this is causing more division if we 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.879 are not together and aligned with the you know, the Palestinians, 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.159 or it's causing more division we're not aligned all the 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.920 way with getting Kama Harris elected. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.920 I really appreciate that Mice, because nobody wants to have 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.240 the nuanced conversation. People want it to be black and white. Yes, 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.840 this know that, and that's it. What I'll say here 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.480 is and I'll say this to black folks in general. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:48.240 And you know, I feel like I have long standing 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.840 relationships and I love black people and I always believe 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.160 and I will always believe that when black people are free, 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.240 we're all going to be free. And I just want 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.080 to ask for grace, want to I want people to 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.840 understand that one Palacedinians are speaking, we are speaking from 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.840 a place of deep hurt, a place of deep grief 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.400 and trauma. This is something that's happening. There's a genocide 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.800 that's happening today right now, where our family members are 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.480 literally being blown up to smithereens today. This is not 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.920 like a historical event where we're reminding ourselves of something 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.360 that happened thirty years ago or one hundred years ago. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.320 This is today. So when you see these conversations and 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.800 people are lashing out on this election and lashing out 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.560 on Kamala and lashing out on Joe Biden and this 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.760 moment right now, it's because they're speaking through hurt. They're 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.720 speaking through perpetual funerals that are happening multiple times a 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.960 day in Gaza and right now also in the West Bank. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.760 So I'm saying to people right now is that we 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.120 have to find this complicated place to sit in where 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.600 we look at one another and we understand, and you 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.199 understand why a Palestinian is outraged in this moment and 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:55.040 does maybe not want to participate in democracy. Maybe they 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.000 want to only vote on the local level, Maybe they 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.760 don't want to vote for Kamala, maybe they don't want 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.720 to vote for anyone running for maybe they want to 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.240 vote for a third party. Just giving them that moment 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.200 of just understanding in this moment, as I also understand 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.119 why some black people are saying, Look, I'm outraged at 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:10.520 what's happening in Palestine. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:11.480 I'm with you. 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.800 I want to demand in arms embargo, I want an 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.600 immediate ceasefire. I want to see the bloodshed of this 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.520 children end. But I also want to vote for Kamala Harris. 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.200 We have to have this full conversation where we understand 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.800 where everybody's coming from. There is no necessarily right or wrong, 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.560 because we can't tell people how to feel in this 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.199 moment right now, because I'm telling you people are experiencing 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:36.080 the trauma. It's not just that the United States government 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.280 is funding the genocide. They have aided and embedded this 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.960 genocide from day one, and even during a genocide, this 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.720 administration has sold multiple weapon deals to the State of Israel. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.560 So when we see those bombs drop, it's not that 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.879 we're just sad and outraged that the bombs drop, But 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.440 when the Palestinians pick up the shrapnel from the bomb, 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.480 it says made in the USA. And so that's the 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.800 visceral reaction that a lot of Palestinians must. Women's Arabs 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.200 who are connected to this outrage and genocide, our feeling 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:05.720 right now and I just want to ask our black 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.000 sitism brothers to understand that deep trauma that people are feeling. 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.000 That they're not anti black or they're not like we 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.760 don't care about your future or what happens to you 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.080 if there is a Donald Trump. They are just feeling 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.560 a visceral reaction in this moment because that genocide is 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.360 real and it's live literally live stream, every single day. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.840 And so I think our work Mice and Tamika is 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.960 going to be really important the selection season. How do 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.280 we keep people in it to participate? How do we 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.919 get people encouraged to go to the polls because the 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:36.919 opposition doesn't want us to go to the polls. They 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:38.560 don't want Black people to go to the polls, and 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.240 they don't want Muslims to go to the polls. And 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.199 you remember, we were in Michigan back in twenty twenty 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.080 and we were on the line and we saw voter 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:50.400 suppression firsthand. Literally I got it on video watching voter 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.320 people working voting booths being like, Oh, it's closed, but 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:54.800 it's supposed to close at five o'clock. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:56.920 It's three o'clock. How are you closing two hours early? 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:00.159 We watch people being told that it was already eight 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.080