1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: If you know Los Angeles, there's a good chance you've 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: heard of George Allen Hancock. He's the guy Hancock Park 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: was named for that fancy neighborhood between Hollywood and mid Wilshire. 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: He's also the reason you can visit the famous Librea tarpits, 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: which Hancock donated to Los Angeles County in nineteen sixteen. 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Hancock was a lot of things. An oil scion, a 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: railroad tycoon, a rancher, a millionaire, a philanthropist, a cello 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: player in the Los Angeles Symphony Orchestra. He was also 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: an oceanic explorer and marine scientist, perhaps best known for 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: his expeditions to the Galapagos. In November nineteen thirty four, 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: aboard his trusted vessel, the Valero three, with a group 12 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: of Smithsonian researchers in tow, Hancock embarked on him most 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: dramatic Galapagos expedition yet. Anchored off the island of Floriana. 14 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: On December eighth, Hancock cabled following message to his business 15 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: manager back in Hollywood. Hysterical over the death of doctor 16 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: Friedrich Ridder, raw Dory is packing up to go back 17 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: to Berlin. He was talking about Friedrich Ridder and Dory Strauss. 18 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: They were originally from Germany, but they had been living 19 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: on Floriana for almost six years. They went there seeking 20 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: a simpler life and escape from modern society, a tropical utopia. 21 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: But now Friedrich had died under curious circumstances. More on 22 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: that later, Dory was headed back home, and their plan 23 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: to grow old together in an Eden of their own 24 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: making had to a tragic end. But there was more 25 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: to the story, because Friedrich and Doy weren't the only 26 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: Europeans who had fled civilization for the Galapagos. As the 27 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Times put it, Captain Hancock has reported that 28 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: other deaths may have occurred on the Lonely archipelago. The 29 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: Baroness Eluis boss Ky de Wagner Verhborn, self styled Empress 30 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: of the Island, and her companion Robert Phillipson, are known 31 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: to have left the so called Eden of the Pacific 32 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: on July fifth last. Since then, they have not been seen. 33 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: Hancock had apparently sailed into a real life murder mystery, 34 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: part Agatha Christie, part Lord of the Flies. According to 35 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: that same LA Times article, Friedrich and Dory quote dreamed 36 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: of creating a new Garden of Eden. Then others came, 37 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: the deaths of doctor Ritter and others converted it into 38 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: a valhalla of disillusioned souls. Sounds like a real page turner, 39 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: the type of tale that is, as they say, stranger 40 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: than fiction. Welcome to very special episodes and Iheart's original podcast. 41 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm your host Dana Schwartz and this is the Galapagos Murders. 42 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: Welcome back to very special episodes. I'm Jason English, She's 43 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: Danish Schwartz. He is Zaron Burnett. One of my favorite 44 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: genres of information is things I didn't realize were named 45 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: after people. So I'm excited already in the cold open 46 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: to learn that Hancock Park was named after someone. 47 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I live near Griffith Park also in Los Angeles. 48 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: A lot of things named after people out here. 49 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: Well, almost all the parks named after people, except for 50 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: like a Librea, which is named. 51 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: After jar I definitely did not know his legacy and 52 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: the full extent of this story. This was completely new 53 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: to me. 54 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 3: I feel like I dreamed this story, like having the 55 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: elements of steel teeth, a place called Hell's Volcano, and 56 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: a baroness nicknamed Crazy Panties. I'm like, come on, this 57 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 3: is a cufflier dream. 58 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: I could decide if I wanted to say crazy Panties 59 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: in the intro here. 60 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 4: So I was actually researching a different project, sort of 61 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 4: a murder that took place around World War two, and 62 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: going through the newspaper archives, and I came across this 63 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: headline that made me stop, and I kept rereading it, 64 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 4: and I actually committed it to memory. 65 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: That's Abbott Kaylor, the author of Eden Undone, a true 66 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: story of sex, murder and utopia at the dawn of 67 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: World War Two. 68 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: It goes like this was doctor Ritter with his steel 69 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 4: teeth poisoned in paradise. Was Baroness Eloise, otherwise known as 70 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: Crazy Panties murdered by one of her love slaves after 71 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: she drove the other to his death? And why is 72 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 4: Frau Ridder going back to what she once called Hell's Volcano? 73 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 4: So I forgot all about that the story I had 74 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 4: been pursuing, and was much more intrigued by the story 75 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: and who were these people and who is Crazy Panties 76 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: and who has steel teeth? 77 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 5: It began a decade long obsession for me. 78 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: Before getting to the Agatha Christie ofvid All. Let's start 79 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: at the beginning. 80 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: Okay, So Frederick Ritter was a doctor in Berlin. He 81 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: was a World War One veteran and he was very 82 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 4: traumatized by the war. He had nerve damage from gas 83 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 4: inhalation and decided to go to medical school and invest 84 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 4: in holistic healings and sort of devote his career to that. 85 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 4: And he was working at a Berlin hospital when he 86 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: met a woman by the name of Dorri Stratch. 87 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: Dory was Friedrich's patient. She suffered from a multiple sclerosis. 88 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: And now every other doctor told Dory that she was incurable. 89 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 4: Of course, Frederick says, you know what, you're choosing to 90 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 4: be sick. You can actually cure yourself if you just 91 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 4: put your mind to it. 92 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: Dorry was intrigued by this enigma of a man. He 93 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: also frightened her, not because of his appearance, but because 94 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: of his demeanor. She thought Friedrich seemed strangely absent of 95 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: any amiability or compassion, but he was exceedingly charismatic, so 96 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: much so that Dorry began to think of him as 97 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: one of the world's great geniuses. A mutual infatuation blossomed, 98 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: and then a romance. It was a scandalous romance, not 99 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: just because of the whole doctor patient thing, but because 100 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: Friederic and Dorry were both married. Friedrich told Dorry about 101 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: his ambition to abandon modernity for an new life on 102 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: some faraway island. Dorry convinced Friedrich to take her with him. 103 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: They each filed for divorce, but with a twist, they 104 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: encouraged their spouses to marry one another, if not for love, 105 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: then at least for the domestic convenience, and that's exactly 106 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: what their spouses did. 107 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 4: This is in nineteen twenty nine. The Wimer Republic was falling. 108 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 4: At this time, Hitler was just starting to come into power, 109 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: and of course in the United States in October of 110 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 4: nineteen twenty nine, so just a few short months after 111 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 4: Dory and Frederick arrived in the Galapagos, the stock market crashes, 112 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 4: sending the world into a depression. Things became quite dire everywhere. 113 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: It seemed like Friedrich and Dorry had gotten out of 114 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: Dodge at just the right time. Then again, they knew 115 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: that life in the Galapagos wouldn't be easy. 116 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 4: If people don't know much about the glab Ghost, they 117 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: might envision this sort of idyllic golden sean and waving 118 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: palm trees, lush vegetation, which could not be further from 119 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: the truth. 120 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 5: The Glopagos are barren. 121 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 4: A lot of the islands don't have any fresh water 122 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 4: and aren't able to sustain any life at all. You know, 123 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 4: humans have never been on a few of them, especially 124 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 4: at this time period. And I think that Frederick fancied 125 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 4: himself this sort of philosopher. He was the successor to 126 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 4: Nietzsche in his mind, and he wanted that sort of 127 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 4: dark challenge. 128 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: Floriana was in the southernmost part of the Galapagos. Friederck 129 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: and Dorry chose it because of its fresh water source, 130 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: which would at least be enough to get a garden going. 131 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: The island had a history of pirates, most notably the 132 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: Irish seafaarer Patrick Watkins, a drunken, murderous, all around terrifying 133 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: character who'd become marooned on Floriana in eighteen oh seven. 134 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: Friederic and Dorry spent their first night in one of 135 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: the caves where Watkins had lived more than a century earlier. 136 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: Dorry was a very suspicious woman and sort of saw 137 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 4: premonitions and dark foreboding signs everywhere she looked, and she 138 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 4: was sure that the ghost of Patrick Watkins was haunting them. 139 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: As soon as they came to the island, and she 140 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 4: got the sense that the island was not quite welcoming 141 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 4: of them. 142 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: Friederic and Dorry built a house about two and a 143 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: half miles inland from the beach. It took a good 144 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: forty five minutes to get there on foot, walking uphill 145 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: over jagged rocks formed by ancient lava. Their home had 146 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: a porch, a kitchen, sleeping quarters, even a makeshift outdoor 147 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: shower with fresh water piped from the nearby spring, which 148 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: also supplied water to their crops. They christened their homestead Fredo, 149 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: a portmanteau of their names. Sounds charming until you consider 150 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: the swarms of ants, the menacing wild boar, and the 151 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: sand fleas that would burrow into Dori's skinned, making her 152 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: feet feel like they were on fire. Remember the earlier 153 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: reference to Friedrich's teeth. He had had them removed and 154 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: replaced with a set of steel dentures, because well, there 155 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: were no dentists on Floriana. Then there was the matter 156 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: of communicating with the outside world. 157 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 4: The livers would come from the mainland. There were people 158 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 4: who made their living by going to separate islands and 159 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 4: going back to the mainland and delivering goods back and 160 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 4: forth and so on. You know, they were sort of 161 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 4: at the mercy of the ship's schedules. There is a 162 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 4: barrel called post office Bay that was set up during 163 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: the piracy times where people would leave letters in this 164 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: barrel down on the shore near the ocean, and passing 165 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: ships would pick up the mail take it to its destination. 166 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 4: So sort of this primitive mail system. They did have 167 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 4: contact with the outside world, but it was very infrequent 168 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 4: and frustrating, I think for them. 169 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: One day in January nineteen thirty, an unexpected visitor arrived 170 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: on Floriana, the Chicago radio tycoon Eugene McDonald. 171 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 4: If you had money during this time period, the fashionable 172 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 4: thing to do was to build these great exploratory yachts 173 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 4: equipped with all the latest modern equipment to do some 174 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 4: oceanic investigation. And he fancied himself the sort of rugged explorer, 175 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 4: and he was going to go to the Glapcos Islands 176 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 4: and pick up rare flora and fauna and animals, and 177 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 4: sort of maybe he would look for pirate treasure and 178 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: he would report back. So he shows up on Floriana 179 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 4: and sees the one thing he did not expect, which 180 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 4: was Dori and Frederick. He had no idea that human 181 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 4: beings were actually living on this island. 182 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 5: He was shocked. 183 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: Dorry and Friedrich spoke with McDonald about their utopian experiment. 184 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: They talked about how wonderfully it was going, how life 185 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: on Floriana was, how they expected to live there for 186 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: the rest of their days. In hindsight, they may have 187 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: wished they'd kept their mouths shut, because now the cat 188 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: was out of the bag. McDonald went back to Chicago 189 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: and told the press all about the remarkable couple he 190 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: had encountered at the ends of the Earth. That's when 191 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: Friedrich and Dory experienced the nineteen thirties equivalent of going viral. 192 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: Their story splashed in newspapers from Los Angeles to New 193 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: York to Berlin. Here's the Cincinnati Inquirer. 194 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 6: In the lonely Galapagos, far off the coast of South America, 195 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 6: a German doctor and a woman companion have been leading 196 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 6: the lives of the Crusodes. 197 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: And the Sacramento b Both gave up civilization for a 198 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: back to nature like Adam and Eve existence and the 199 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: Idaho Statesman. 200 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 6: Alone on burned and fire blackened rocks six hundred miles 201 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 6: west of there, because a physician and philosopher, Friedrich Ridder 202 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 6: of Berlin, Germany, will live his own life hereafter and 203 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 6: with his helping Dory Ridder try to find on a 204 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 6: desert island the peace that a modern civilization denies. 205 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: And on and on and on. 206 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 4: Everybody, especially in oblique time like the Depression, is just 207 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 4: sort of, you know, awed by this idea and the 208 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: fact that two people try to do this, and it 209 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 4: actually kind of sparked inspiration for people who wanted to 210 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 4: flee their miserable lives at this time. You know, they're 211 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 4: all suffering from the Great Depression, and what a dream 212 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 4: it would be to actually flee civilization start a new 213 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 4: where money doesn't. 214 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 5: Have any meaning or value. 215 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 4: It just seemed like an idyllic thing to do, and 216 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 4: of course the reality was very different. But now everybody 217 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 4: knew about Dory and Frederick's experiment and they were not 218 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: going to be alone for much longer. 219 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: The media exposure encouraged other wealthy explorers to plot their 220 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: own Galapagos expeditions. By the prospect of meeting Florian as 221 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: Adam and Eve. George Allen Hancock first visited in nineteen 222 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: thirty one. He brought along a whole crew of scientists 223 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: to study the islands exotic animals and flora, but he 224 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: ended up being much more interested in the island's two 225 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,359 Speaker 1: exotic humans. 226 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 7: We passed to the southward across the Equator to the 227 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 7: Galapagos Island, which are located six hundred miles west of Ecuador. 228 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 7: We anchor at Black Beach Anchorage, Charles Island, also known 229 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 7: as Floriana, and are met by doctor Ritter and frou 230 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 7: Dora Kerwin. They are greeting Captain Hancock and doctor Schmidt, 231 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 7: who follows him out of the skiff as old friends. 232 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 7: Just as soon as we have loaded up the donkey, 233 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 7: we will begin a track of forty five minutes from 234 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 7: Back Beach anchoraged to predo their hermit home. They wear 235 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 7: no clothing at all except when visit arrive on their island. 236 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 4: He befriended Dorian Frederick and really developed an interesting relationship 237 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 4: with them. He became their closest confidant. They would tell 238 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 4: Hancock things that they wouldn't tell each other. 239 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: Hancock left the island, knowing he would remain in touch 240 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: with this world famous couple. Indeed, this would not be 241 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: his last time on Floriana. His fascination was only just beginning. 242 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: In the meantime, thousands of miles away, several other utopia 243 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: seekers were hatching plans to follow in Friedrich and Dory's footsteps. 244 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: The island, now a global sensation, would never be the same. 245 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: Back in Germany, a couple named Heintz and mar Margaret 246 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: Vittmer were growing restless. Hitler was consolidating power, and Heinz, 247 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: a former military official in the Weimar Republic, worried about 248 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: becoming a target of the Nazis. Plus, the Vitmers figured 249 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: that a tropical climate and fresh ocean air might benefit 250 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: young Harry Vittmer, Heintz's sickly son from his first marriage. 251 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: They read about Dory and Friedrich's adventures in the Galapagos. 252 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: Then they booked passage to Floriana with no intention of 253 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: looking back. Before establishing their own homestead, the Vittmers made 254 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: the limb busting trek to Fredo to pay their respects 255 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: to Friedrich and Dory. Margaret, by the way, was five 256 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: months pregnant. 257 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 4: Dorry was kind of at first excited by the prospect 258 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 4: of having a female friend. At this point, her relationship 259 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 4: with Frederick is very volatile. Some days he's great, some 260 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 4: days he's incredibly and she thought it might be nice 261 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 4: to have a female confidant on the island. But the 262 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: two women meet and it does not go well. Dorry 263 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 4: looks at Margaret and says, what kind of idiot would 264 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: want to give birth on this remote island? And Margaret 265 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 4: looks at Dor and says, what kind of idiot quotes 266 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 4: Nietzsche on a remote island? 267 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 5: Who cares? 268 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 4: So they really just had two different temperaments and two 269 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 4: different ideas of what living on Floriana should be. 270 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in Paris, a high born Austrian woman was dreaming 271 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: about starting her own new life on Floriana. The woman's 272 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: legal name was a mouthful and a bit different than 273 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: the one printed in those newspaper reports we quoted. 274 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 4: Earlier, Antonia Henrika Jolie Wagner wearbarn. 275 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: Basquett aka the Baroness aka Crazy Panties. 276 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: And she of course also had heard of Frederick and Dorry, 277 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 4: and she would later claim that God came to her 278 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 4: in a dream and ordered her to go to Floriana 279 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 4: and conquer it. It was her island for the taking, 280 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 4: and she decided to heed this, leaving behind her very 281 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 4: colorful life in Paris. There's all kinds of rumors swirling 282 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: about her. You know, she is married to a French 283 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 4: war hero, but she has orgies. She has these two lovers, 284 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 4: Rudolph and Robert, living with her. There was rumors that 285 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 4: she was stealing money from her own shop and not 286 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: paying her debtors. There's rumors that men fought duels over her. 287 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 4: There's rumors that she actually killed somebody in Paris, and 288 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 4: that's the reason she wanted to leave. But she's this 289 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 4: woman of mystery. She's very charismatic, sort of a seductress, 290 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 4: and very sure that she is going to go to 291 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 4: Floriana and sort of conquer the island. 292 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: It was October nineteen thirty two when the Baroness arrived 293 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: in Floriana with her two young lovers, Robert Phillipson and 294 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: Rudolph Lorenz, who seemed more like Manster Evans. She didn't 295 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: exactly make a good first impression on Dory and Friedrich 296 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: or the Vitmers. The Baroness wasn't just haughty, there was 297 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: something menacing about her. She bragged about how she was 298 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: going to turn Floriana into the next Miami, with plans 299 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: to build a grand hotel catering to American millionaires. She 300 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: dipped her feet into the Vitmer's drinking basin. When Hinz 301 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: objected to her plan to share the family's fresh water supply, 302 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: she brandished a pistol. Overall, she acted like a domineering aristocrat, 303 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: although for what it's worth, she actually was one. 304 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 4: Nobody believes that she's actually a baroness, the irony being 305 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 4: that she really is actually a baroness. In my research, 306 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 4: I discovered that she earned the title from her grandfather. 307 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 4: She came from a well to do family, not incredibly rich, 308 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 4: but well to do, well connected, and certainly a respectable family. Immediately, 309 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 4: she just seems like she's going to bring ruin to everybody. 310 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 5: Dory writes in her diary that you know. 311 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: One way or another, this woman is going to cause 312 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 4: the sort of death. 313 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 5: Of our civilization. 314 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: Here. The baroness settled into her own island compound, a 315 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: sort of hedonistic pleasure den called Hacienda Paradiso. As time 316 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: went on, the tensions between Floriana's mothly inhabitants continued to escalate. 317 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: So one of the biggest areas of contention is the explorers. 318 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 4: So Hancock and his crew would come and visit, and 319 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 4: of course they always brought gifts. They brought, you know, 320 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 4: clothing and materials and tools and seeds and canned food 321 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 4: and all of these things. And the settlers you know, 322 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 4: on Floriana started to fight over this. They would figure 323 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 4: out ways to try to get Hancock not to visit 324 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 4: the other ones, or to give them more goods than 325 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 4: somebody else. But it became a battle that just only 326 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 4: grew more heated over time. 327 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: Like when the Baroness stole milk from the Vitmor's little 328 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: bundle of Joy. 329 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 4: Hancock when he visits, brings a lot of gifts for 330 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 4: the baby, tins of milk. The Baroness one point, she 331 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 4: steals the entires apply that Hancock had brought for this baby. 332 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: At the same time, visitors who offered the Baroness no 333 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: benefit were met with hostility. 334 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 4: There was one incident where a friend of Dorian Frederick's, 335 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 4: who they knew from their beginning days on the island, 336 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 4: came to hunt perfectly within his rights to do this 337 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 4: on Floriana, but she beats him down at the shore 338 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 4: with Rudolf and Robert and guns drawn, says, you're on 339 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 4: my island. 340 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 5: Get off my island. 341 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: In another frightening incident, the baroness actually fired a shot 342 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: the baroness. 343 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 4: She had a hobby of wounding animals and the nursing 344 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 4: them back to health and the hope that they would 345 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 4: remain forever loyal to her. So at one point she 346 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 4: decides to test this theory on humans. And she always 347 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 4: had an eye on the handsome young visitors who would come. 348 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 4: And there was one man in particular named Lynde who 349 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 4: caught her fancy and they go out on a hunting 350 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 4: trip with the idea that she was going to shoot 351 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 4: Lynde and nurse him back to health, and of course 352 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 4: he was going to fall in love with her. Well, 353 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 4: she ends up shooting the wrong person, and you know, 354 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 4: it becomes sort of another incident where Frederick and Hines 355 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: are just out of their minds with concern that this 356 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 4: woman is going to going to kill them all. 357 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: Friedrich and Hinz appealed to the Governor of Ecuador about 358 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: this crazy woman wreaking havoc on the island. Their plan backfired. 359 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: When the governor visited Floriana, the Baroness charmed him into 360 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: her good graces. He even invited her to accompany him 361 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: on a vacation. In fact, the Baroness seemed to grow 362 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: bolder by the day. She wanted to expand her fame 363 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: beyond the newspaper headlines, to break into Hollywood and become 364 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: an actress. She convinced George Hancock to bring a film 365 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: crew and shoot a silent movie about her. The movie's 366 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: plot was based on a rumor that she had kidnapped 367 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: a newlywed couple and chained them up as captors on 368 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: the island. They called it The Empress of Floriana. 369 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 7: You'll have to pardon our motion picture director, who was 370 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 7: bringing up the rear. Accustomed to trekking only along Hollywood Boulevard, 371 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 7: he was not accustomed to seven miles of Galopogo's lava. Fortunately, 372 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 7: the home of the Viennese Baroness Wagner Bosquay was not 373 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 7: far away. Perhaps you remember reading about the so called 374 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 7: Queen of Galopogo's island. She is not beautiful, but yet 375 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 7: attractive enough to have lured two European men to share 376 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 7: her exile. 377 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: The Baroness wasn't the only malevolent force threatening Floriana. In 378 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: early nineteen thirty four, the island was hit by a 379 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: drept crops failed, animals died, streams slowed to a trickle. 380 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: Paradise was beginning to feel more like an inferno. As 381 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: conditions deteriorated, so did Friedrich and Dory's relationship. Friedrich was 382 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: a controlling partner at turns critical and cruel. After several 383 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: years cohabitating in the middle of nowhere, Dorry began to 384 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: nurture a rebellious street to defy Friedrich's will. She was 385 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: realizing that she had her own things to say, her 386 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: own decisions to make, and her own life to live. 387 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: A similar dynamic was playing out over at the Hacienda Paradiso. 388 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: Rudolph Lorenz was fed up with the Baroness's tyranny not 389 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: to mention the preferential treatment, and she lavished on Rudolph's rival, 390 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: Robert Phillipson. Rudolph had grown increasingly miserable, Desperate to leave 391 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: the island, he often sought refuge at Fredo or the 392 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: Vitamer's Bavarian style cottage. 393 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: The Baroness would actually stage physical fights between Rudolf and Robert. Robert, 394 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 4: being the much bigger man, would always emerge victorious. 395 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 5: And it wasn't just this physical abuse. 396 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 4: The Baroness verbally abused him, insulted him, threatened him, to 397 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 4: the point where Rudolph often just left the hacienda powerdiso 398 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 4: and would go stay with Margaret for a few days. 399 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 4: And it would bounce around and go to Dorris for 400 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 4: a few days. With the drought happening, with everybody's crops failing, 401 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 4: with Rudolph being cast aside and confiding in Dory and 402 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 4: Margaret about what's going on with the Baroness, with Friedrich 403 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 4: becoming incrystically cruel to Dory, with Dorry rebelling, everything is 404 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 4: starting to come to a head. 405 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: It was as if Dory's premonitions that very first night 406 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: in the Spooky Pirate Cave were coming true. The island 407 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: seemed to be turning against them. You could almost feel 408 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: it in the broiling air, and yet there was nothing 409 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: anyone could do. The only thing to do, really was 410 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: to wait for something else to happen. No one knew 411 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: what that something was, but they had every reason to 412 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: believe that it wouldn't be good. Okay, this is where 413 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: the story really starts to get strange and convoluted, So 414 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: stay with us. Here's Abbot Kaylor. 415 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 4: In March nineteen thirty four, Dory claims that she and 416 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 4: Frederick were sitting at Frido. 417 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 5: It was incredibly hot. 418 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 4: They were just relaxing and suddenly there was a gunshot 419 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 4: and a woman's scream. And this is something that Dorry 420 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 4: would insist that she heard later on, but it's not 421 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 4: something that anybody else on the island heard. And it 422 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 4: became sort of an important point in the mystery of 423 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 4: what exactly happened on that day and then that month 424 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 4: in Florida. 425 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: After the alleged gunshot and scream, the plot thickened. 426 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 5: And Dorry's telling. 427 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 4: One day, Margaret comes to Frido and says, the Baroness 428 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 4: and Robert are gone. They went off on an English 429 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 4: boat with some friends. They went off to Tahiti. I 430 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 4: don't know if they're coming back. And Dorry thought this 431 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 4: was strange. According to Dorry, and everybody made a pilgrimage 432 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 4: down to the ha standa parody so to see exactly 433 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 4: what was going on, and strangely enough, all of the 434 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 4: Baroness and Phillipson's things are still there. The thing is, 435 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 4: I don't think Margaret believed it. I think that Rudolph 436 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 4: is the one who told her that they had sailed 437 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 4: off to Tahiti. It didn't really make sense to Margaret. 438 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: Usually everybody in the island would know if a big 439 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 4: ship was passing through, they would have seen it. Margaret, 440 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 4: I think you didn't know quite what to believe at 441 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 4: this point, but she also didn't want to get Rudolph 442 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 4: in trouble. 443 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: Friedrich had his own theories about what had happened to 444 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: Robert and the Baroness, or at least he knew what 445 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: he wanted everyone to think he believed. 446 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 4: Friedrich started to make the claim that Hines had murdered 447 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 4: the Baroness in Robert Phillipson, and he was very vocal 448 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 4: about this. But he was also vocal about the idea 449 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 4: that the Baroness and Robert Phillipson walked into the ocean 450 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 4: and decided to drown themselves. There was all kinds of 451 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 4: theories that Frederick was saying. It seemed like with each 452 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 4: new person he had a different theory about what had 453 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 4: happened to him. 454 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: As for Dorry, she was suspicious of Rudolph from the 455 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: get go. He had the clearest motive. After all, no 456 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: one on the island was a fan of the Baroness, 457 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: except maybe for Robert, but no one had been more 458 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: abused by her than Rudolph. Didn't think he could have 459 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: done it on his own. He was a small guy. 460 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: It would have been difficult for him to single handedly 461 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: overpower the Baroness and Robert, let alone contend with the 462 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: dead weight of their corpses. 463 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 4: I think that Dory starts suspecting that Frederick actually is 464 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 4: the one who helped Rudolf dispose of the Baroness and Phillipson. 465 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 5: She never says this. 466 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 4: I think, you know, it would be too terrible for 467 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 4: her to admit, But I think she thought that that 468 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 4: was the most likely scenario, and in the end decided 469 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 4: to help him cover up this story by telling the 470 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: story of this mysterious scream and gunshot in the middle 471 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 4: of the day. 472 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: In July, Rudolph finally got his wish to leave Floriana. 473 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: A Norwegian fisherman offered him a ride on his boat 474 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: back to the mainland. From there, he could arrange passage 475 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: to Germany. Rudolf's companions bid him farewell, knowing they would 476 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: probably never see him again. Meanwhile, Hancock caught wind of 477 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: the latest developments. He had received panicked letters from Friedrich 478 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: and Dory. He'd even received a letter from Robert's father 479 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: asking Hancock, quote, whether it is possible for you to 480 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: inquire on my behalf if anybody could inform unfortunate parents 481 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: of the fate of their only son. Hancock decided to 482 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: go to Floriana to see if he could get to 483 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: the bottom of it and to continue his Galapagos research. 484 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: While he was there, Two Birds, One Stone. Shortly before 485 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: Hancock was set to depart on the Valero three, he 486 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: received some startling news. 487 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 4: He gets a telegram that tells him that two bodies 488 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 4: had been found on Martina Island, which is in the 489 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 4: northern part of the Galapagos and completely barren, has no 490 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 4: fresh water source, so it's really strange that two bodies 491 00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 4: have washed up there. 492 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: Two missing people, two dead bodies. Surely it wasn't a coincidence. 493 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: Hancock and his Smithsonian researcher Pals sailed straight for Marchena Island. 494 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: The solution to the mystery of Robert and the Baroness 495 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: seemed within their grasp, but when they got there. 496 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 7: Upon investigating, Captain Hancock finds a body which he recognizes 497 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 7: as that of Niggarod, a sailor who died touching a 498 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 7: coil of rope. Twenty five feet away was the desiccated 499 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,959 Speaker 7: body of Lorenzo. 500 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: As in Rudolph Lorenz. 501 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 7: Whom we last saw feeding the donkey in the company 502 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 7: of the Baronets. These men had died of thirst and 503 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 7: not of hunger, for all about was food to be had. 504 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: Like the pirate Patrick Watkins before them, Rudolph and the 505 00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: Norwegian fishermen found themselves marooned in the Galapagos, except they'd 506 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: washed ashore on the wrong island because Markenna had no 507 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: fresh water supply. Help had come too late for this 508 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: unlucky pair. If Rudolph harbored any secrets about the fate 509 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: of his missing companions, he had taken them to the grave. 510 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: Now Hancock really had a mystery on his hands. From Marchena, 511 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: he raced to Floriana aboard the Valero. When Hancock arrived, 512 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: he found Dory on the beach sobbing. 513 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 4: She tells Hancock that Frederick has died, and she recounts 514 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 4: this very strange story that begins with the fact that 515 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 4: they finally gave up all pretense of being vegetarians and 516 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 4: decide that they have to kill and eat one of 517 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 4: their chickens. So Frederick is, as Dory tells it, he 518 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 4: was preparing the chicken, and by the time they went 519 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 4: to eat it several days later, it did not smell good. 520 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 4: Dory claims to have taken one bite and thrown it out, 521 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 4: but Frederick ate all of the chicken, and you know, 522 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 4: suddenly afterward was exhibiting signs of being in distress. He 523 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 4: started slaring his words, he couldn't talk, his breathing becan labored, 524 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 4: and Dorry just didn't know what to do. According to 525 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 4: her story, she sat there as he got sicker and sicker. 526 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 4: Another day passed, and finally, when he seemed to be 527 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 4: on his deathbed, she decides to go over and find Margaret. 528 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 4: And it's quite a walk for Dorry. You know, she 529 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 4: has multiple scores, so she has a bad leg that 530 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 4: paints her when she walks on it for a long time, 531 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 4: and she goes to Margaret and says, you know, Frederick's 532 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 4: in trouble, and Margaret immediately goes back with Dory Tofrieddo 533 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: to see what's going on with Frederick. 534 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: The two women sat with Frederic in his final hours. 535 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 4: Dorry and Margaret have very conflicting stories about much of 536 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 4: what happened on Flora on it, but I think their 537 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 4: stories on what happened to Frederick are the most drastic 538 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 4: and interesting. Claims that Frederick reached up to her, looked 539 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 4: at her with loving eyes, sort of conveyed to her 540 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 4: silently that he would be with her always, and how 541 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 4: much love they shared in this very tender moment. And 542 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 4: Margaret says that Frederick said, I curse you with my 543 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 4: dying breath, and then he died. 544 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: Two of Floriana's nine permanent residents were now dead, another 545 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: two were presumed dead. Hancock listened to the surviving residence's 546 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: stories and tried to make sense of it. All. Dorry's 547 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: worst fears had come true. Floriana was no Eden. It 548 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: was a place of death and destruction. Six years earlier, 549 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: she had had every intention of spending the rest of 550 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: her life here. Now all she wanted was to go home. 551 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: On December seventh, Dorry made one last walk from Frido 552 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: to Black Beach. As her belongings were loaded into a 553 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: dinghy that would transport her to the Valero, she said 554 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: goodbye to the Vitmurs. Then, with tears in her eyes, 555 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: she took Hancock's hand and left Floriana forever on board 556 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: the ship, Hancock sent a cable to Los Angeles with 557 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: an update about her condition. Dory leaving on Valero three 558 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: for transship to Germany was hysterical but improving. As the 559 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: Valero sailed back to the mainland, Floriana became engulfed in 560 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: yet another media frenzy. The intrigue swirling around this group 561 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: of eccentric European exiles was simply too good to be true. 562 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 8: A tropical paradise like this on the Equator holds the 563 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 8: solution to the mysterious depths of two castaways on a 564 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 8: desert isle in the trackless Pacific, the Gallapagos Island scene 565 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 8: of the tragedy of five hundred miles due west of Ecuador, 566 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 8: to which they belong. These last motion pictures made of 567 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 8: the weird colony show you the only ones who know 568 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 8: the mystery of the Gallapagas tragedy. Among the group of 569 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 8: colonists was Alfred Lorenz, reported as one of the castaways 570 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 8: found dead. Lorenz companions on the island were Baronist of 571 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 8: Wagner of Vienna and Robert Phillipson, shown here. After a 572 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 8: quarle with Lorenz, they vanished. Are they dead or alive? 573 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 8: What is the fate of this Empress of Eden? 574 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: While journalists feasted on the story, the Ecuadorian authorities conducted 575 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: an investigation. Hancock provided Dory with two Spanish speaking translators 576 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: who may have helped finesse her account. She was cleared 577 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: of suspicion. On the journey home, Dory became less withdrawn. 578 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: She felt as if a burden had been lifted. She 579 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: was finally free from Floriana, from Friedrich's domination, and from 580 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: the dark chain of events that had shattered her faith 581 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: in Utopia. As for the official inquiries. 582 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 4: They just ruled Frederick's death as an accident or natural causes, 583 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 4: nothing nefarious. She wasn't charged with anything, and the baroness 584 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 4: and Phillipson, you know, nobody knows. 585 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 5: There was no conclusion drawn. 586 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 4: At all, since the bodies were never found, so there's 587 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 4: not really any more investigating. 588 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: They could do back in Germany. With Hitler now fully 589 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: in power, Dorry settled into a different society than the 590 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: one she had left in nineteen twenty nine. To make 591 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: ends meet, she took on speaking gigs and published a memoir. 592 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: Many of its details diverged from a competing memoir published 593 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: by Margaret Vitmer. Which of the two books offers the 594 00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:01,479 Speaker 1: more truthful account, We'll never know for sure. Dorry died 595 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: of complications from multiple sclerosis on May eleventh, nineteen forty three, 596 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: at the age of forty two. By then, Hancock had 597 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: stopped returning Dory's letters, which had grown increasingly desperate due 598 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 1: to her failing health and lack of funds. Hancock did, however, 599 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: continue his exploration of the Galopagos. Scientists who accompanied him 600 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: on his missions often wondered just how much he knew 601 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: about the chilling events of nineteen thirty four. One of 602 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 1: these researchers later wrote, quote, it was the general understanding 603 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: that the only one of Hancock's people who had gotten 604 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: the whole story of what happened to the Baroness and 605 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: Philipson was Captain Hancock, and that what he knew would 606 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: die with him. The happy ending in this story belongs 607 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: to the vit They remained on Floriana and lived a 608 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: fulfilling life, including the birth of a second child, a 609 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: daughter named Ingeborg Florianita. Avid Kaylor met Florianita when she 610 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: traveled to the island during research for Eden undone. She 611 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: toured both hotels the Vitmors had established, and she visited 612 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: the storied pirate caves where Friedrich, Dori and the Vitmers 613 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: all sheltered before building their homes. 614 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 4: So you were saying that the riders of six kilometers 615 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 4: from here, yeah, the six. 616 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,959 Speaker 5: Okay, And here's the second bedroom of the pirate cave. 617 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 5: That's really cool. 618 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 4: So if they got into a fight, they could kick 619 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 4: heines over here. 620 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: Eden undone was published in September twenty twenty four. One 621 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: year later, Ron Howard released his film Eden, starring Jude 622 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: Law as Friedrich, Vanessa Kirby as Dory, and Annadarmis as 623 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: the Baroness. During a CBS interview, Howard said he first 624 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: learned of the story while vacationing on the Galapagos with family. 625 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 9: I'm going to stop talking about it, and started reading 626 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 9: about it, and you know, and there are accounts by 627 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 9: the survivors, and they contradict each other. The screenwriter, Noah 628 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 9: Pink and I started working on it four or five 629 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,919 Speaker 9: years ago in more detail, you know, and we've tried 630 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 9: to fill in some of the gaps. 631 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: Abbott Taylor knows the feeling. After immersing herself in this 632 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: story for more than a decade, she has her own 633 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 1: ideas about what really happened on Floriana nearly a century 634 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: ago and about the lessons to be learned from this 635 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: wild and tragic saga. 636 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 4: I think that Dory intentionally let Frederick die. I think 637 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 4: that Rudolph did kill the baroness and Robert Phillipson with 638 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 4: Frederick's help. The big mystery to me is what did 639 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 4: they do with the bodies, you know, And that's something 640 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 4: that people on Floriana still. 641 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,720 Speaker 5: Talk about to this day. 642 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 4: I think one of the lessons of this tale is 643 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 4: that utopia is subjective, which makes utopia impossible. If everybody 644 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 4: has a different version of utopia, it's impossible to create it. 645 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 4: You can sort of always imagine the idea that you 646 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 4: can escape your problems if you only just change your location, 647 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 4: But of course your problems just go right along with you. 648 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 4: They're inescapable. Utopia is impossible because human beings are fallible, 649 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 4: and I do think Dory should have heeded the warning 650 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 4: of Floriana in the beginning. 651 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 2: All right, well, this one actually has been a movie. 652 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 2: But zaren, if you want to cast your own version, 653 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 2: there's no reason why we can't try to top Ron 654 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 2: Howard here, yeah, cast a better version. 655 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 3: I honestly, guys, I have to admit I saw the 656 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 3: Ron Howard twenty twenty five Eden, and I looked at 657 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 3: his cast and I was like, darn, he'd really damned 658 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 3: it right up? Yeah, I mean I was like Jude 659 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 3: Law for Doctor Friedrich Ritterer, and then like Vanessa Kirby 660 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 3: for fraud Dora Strauss and Anada Armis as Crazy Panties 661 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 3: aka Baroness Elouise is, like, those are all strong. I 662 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 3: don't think I can top this one, so I've mostly 663 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 3: focused on the quote about utopia is subjective, which makes 664 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 3: utopia impossible, and I thought that's one of the coolest 665 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 3: quotes we've done yet. 666 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: Does anyone have any very special moment or character discussion 667 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 2: for this one? 668 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 3: I do actually have one is when Baroness Elouise aka 669 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 3: Crazy Panties when she steals milk from a baby. 670 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I mean it's gonna be the Baroness. 671 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 1: If someone is in the episode who is a Baroness, 672 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, you know we should be paying attention. 673 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be her. 674 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 2: Very Special Episodes is made by some very special people. 675 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 2: The show is hosted by Danis Schwartz, Zaren Burnett, and 676 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 2: Jason English. Our senior producer is Josh Fisher. Today's episode 677 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 2: was written by Joe Pompeo, editing and sound design by 678 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 2: Chris child Than, mixing and mastering by Josh Fisher, additional 679 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 2: editing by Mary Do. The voice actor is Chris Childs. 680 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 2: Original music by Alice McCoy, show logo by Lucy Quintonia, 681 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 2: Social clips by Yarberry Media. Our executive producer is Jason English. 682 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 2: Very Special Episodes is a production of iHeart Podcasts.