WEBVTT - How Gypsies Work 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.520 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:12.879 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.480 Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Jerry Roblin. Just a 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.760 couple of no Man's on the road. Yeah, with our 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:27.400 trinkets and our recordion. Uh you know gypsies, tramps and thieves. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.600 You like my my Share? Yeah? I learned it from 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:37.360 Jack from UM Oh yeah, was that his Share? Well? 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.360 There was this one really classic scene where um he 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.599 meets Share in a restaurant, but he thinks it's like 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.279 a shared drag queen impersonator, Right, so he calls her 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.040 like Mr. Sister and like starts giving her porters on 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.000 how to do a good share. Yeah, he always does 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.080 the hair flip. Right. I love that show. It's a 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.560 good show. It's it holds up. It's in reruns now 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.840 it's just as good. Yeah. But yeah, I had this 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.320 that horrible Share song in my head like while I 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.880 was um studying, and it just wouldn't go away. So 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.240 I listened to it and now I'm like, no, it 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.160 just got worse. Uh. Is there a modern PC version 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.440 that's Roma Tramps and Thieves? No, but in my head, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.040 you can also say gypsies, Franks, and beans, and it's 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.319 like kind of neutral. It's better than tramps and thieves. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.400 Good point. But the term gypsy is that a good point. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.960 It's a terrible point. Don't patronize me gypsies though. The 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.680 word itself, we're gonna try not to use because it's 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.640 it's a pejorative term. It is, at the very least, 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:45.720 it's now considered an ethnic slur uh. And it's in 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.600 part because it's associated with the concept of being jipped. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.480 Like if somebody doesn't give you a fair deal or 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.120 something like that, or rips you off or something like that, 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:58.560 you've been jipped. It's it's short for gypsied. You've been 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:03.920 you've been dealt with somebody, right, not the other way around. Right, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.200 because we believe it came from Egypt. Right, it was 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:14.680 a miss misapplication, misunderstanding in the Greek Isles by Josh Clark, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.880 romance novel. All right, so let's let's get into this. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.800 We're not gonna say gypsies like you said, Actually that's 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.560 not entirely true. We're probably going to forget once in 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.359 a while because we were both raised on shell Silverstein. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.320 Do you remember you may reminded me of this one, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.840 The Gypsies are Coming, which is it's very difficult to 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.000 find the original version of the Gypsies are Coming, which 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.800 is a poem of shell silversteins and where the sidewalk ends. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:46.240 Because before his death, and I believe that sometimes in 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.079 the nineties or early two thousand's, it was that long ago, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.240 but yeah, I remember he changed it from the Gypsies 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.080 are Coming to the Googis or the Googies because he 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.839 felt that it was mean towards Gypsies, and it kind 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.000 of is because it's about child stealing Gypsies, which is 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:07.639 a rumor um that's been attached to Gypsies forever. Yeah, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.200 they steal children and use them as props in making 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.840 in pickpockets schemes. Yeah, there are a lot of, um, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.200 I guess, rumors about the culture, and a lot of 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.840 them are founded and a lot of them are unfounded. Yeah, 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.079 none of it's just like black and white one way 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.720 or the other. The Gypsies aren't just some completely kicked 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.239 around put upon ethnic group. And and at the same 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.840 time they're not just a bunch of like thieving violin 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:37.080 playing marauders, you know. Yeah, So anyway, to get to 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.000 the point, we'll say Roma as much as we can 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.280 roma or romany, and we'll even explain why we call 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.320 them Roma. Shortly it sounds good. Well, we just missed. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.000 International Roman Day was on April eight man and that's 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:55.200 been around and John Carey, Secretive of State carry came 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.280 out and that's some nice words to say about, uh, 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:04.360 you know, celebrating the rich Romanic culture and give him 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.480 a break, Yeah sort of, you know. But um, I 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.880 didn't know there was a International Roma Day, So I 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:16.240 don't know if it's sticking in like the mass public. Well, 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.400 you know, it takes a little time to gain traction. 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.039 It's been a while. It has been since the seventies. 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:26.120 The seventies were like a big era of um ethnic 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.800 and minority group like saying hey, we're here and like 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.880 we're standing up for our rights and you can't kick 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:38.000 us around anymore. You know, good for them, we're owning 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.520 our identity and the Roman did it too. But yeah, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.800 it's been a little while. Uh. These days there are 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:50.560 around twelve million Roma. And when we say scattered, they 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.080 are scattered. And that's what they're known for, is not 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.520 dropping down permanent roots and moving along and one reason 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.599 is because they've often been forced through the centuries to 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:07.400 move along until today. Yeah, there's a there's a basically, 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:13.440 the Roma sociologists, the the authority on Romanic culture and people, 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:20.480 Dr Romani, Dr finessca Isabella finnesska Um. She basically points out, 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.080 like tell me another group that just willfully picks up 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:28.279 steaks and leaves all the time because they just feel 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.720 like it at the at their whim She's like that 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.720 that doesn't exist. They move largely mostly because they've been 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.640 forced to time and time again. I think humans desire 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.280 to route down. That's sort of what we've based our 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.839 success on is people. Yes, is staying one place and 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.200 fortifying and you know sedentary nous. I don't know about sedentary, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:55.039 but like getting couch locked exactly. That's your new favorite term. Yeah, so, 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.960 uh yeah, they they are kind of spread all over 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.480 the EU. They're scattered to the way. Then they do 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.520 move quite frequently. But it's like you said, it's it's um, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:08.160 it's not necessarily because they're nomadic. They are nomadic people, 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.640 but not necessarily because they want to be. But the 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.880 problem is is where wherever they go. Virtually everywhere they 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.280 go in the European Union. Um, they are kind of 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.359 forced out eventually at some point. Yeah, I sent you 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.760 that article today and it is literally in today's news 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.719 how Paris those elite note from the chief of police 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.480 in Paris that said, on the orders of his superiors, 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.039 police are to day and night locate Roma families living 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.839 in the street and systematically evict them, even though that 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.760 is supposedly illegal in France. And uh it is and 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.359 it's a chic area of Paris, and they don't want 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.160 um people in poverty. And a lot of the Romantic 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.719 people are still living in poverty pretty much, all of 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.080 them are. I'm not saying that makes it right. All 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.159 all of the Romani except for the gypsy kings the 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:04.039 band are having in poverty pretty much. They are actual 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.479 Gypsies that look, I thought they were from Mexico. No, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:11.920 I thought so too, man, They're from Andalusia, Spain, and 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.880 their parents were all Romani that were basically kicked out 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:21.360 of Spain by Franco. And so they're like legitimate Roma 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.360 people the band and the only ones with any money 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.200 right pretty much. And I'm like, wonder what they do, Like, 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.520 are they still they still have that Roma thing? To 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.440 them or are they just like to see you guys later. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:38.600 I think from what I've read, they the Roman people 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:44.240 are are, you know, embrace their heritage. It seems like it, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.680 I mean to to, almost to a detrimental degree. Well. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:52.080 Last September um Manuel Valls Uh, the Interior minister at 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.800 the time in France, declared that Roman Gypsies were incompatible 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.760 with the French way of life and should return home. Yeah. 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.840 Europes really going crazy lately, Like the Dutch are forcing 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.640 all of their Um immigrants to learn Dutch or get out. Basically, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.480 did they realize how hard Dutches Yeah? Uh, maybe that's 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.120 the point, you know, um. Yeah, And apparently there was 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.400 like a huge push in the Sun newspaper in Britain, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:22.240 um get rid of Gypsy beggars from the street. Um. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:28.240 And yeah, the Roma in particular are have kind of 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.640 been the butt of all this stuff. It's not just France. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.559 I saw an article where in Rome Um to Rome 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.800 to Roma camps in Rome were rated. All of the 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.840 people were dragged out taking to the airport put on 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.080 a plane to Bosnia, and a couple of them were 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.320 underage kids whose parents weren't in the group at the time. 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.800 So imagine if you come home from a day of 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:54.160 trading cars and your kid is in Bosnia because the 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.080 cops just rounded them up because they didn't want you 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.199 to live on the street there any longer. Trading cars. Yeah, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.480 that's what they're into big time. They still trade horses too, Yeah, 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.679 but among them they also trade cars too. They'll go 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.760 to like Germany and buy a car for cheap and 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.720 then take it to Romanian sell it for a little 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.520 bit of premium and they make some money. That one 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:18.319 that's called Craigslist, buddy, kind of romani Craigslist. Good for them. Uh. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.240 So the point is there, wherever they go in the EU, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.079 they end up getting the bombs rush basically. Yeah. I 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.600 mean it's called they call it the gypsy problem still 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.240 to this day in the European Union. So, and the 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:34.280 one place that they can kind of call home is Romania. Yeah, 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.560 and I think Transylvania too has a pretty robust, fairly 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.800 settled population. You want to understand, I'm sure they do. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:46.720 And they were led there actually by a purchase by 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.880 a guy named vlad dra Cool in the fifteenth century. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.640 I think I've heard of that guy. Yeah, So let's 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.840 talk about how the Roma ended up in their adopted 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.679 homeland of Romania where they come for originally, because apparently 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.880 even they aren't certain. Well, no, that's the one thing 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.600 they're certain about, apparently is where they come from. But 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.880 that's about it because they there's a high illiteracy rates, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.680 so there's not a lot of record keeping, a lot 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.600 of not a lot of genealogy throughout the years, so 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.439 a lot of a lot of it's just kind of 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.000 lost to history. Um. But I think they did settle 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:28.160 on the fact that they came from India, Josh, which knew, right, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.240 you're being coy, That is true, and it took a 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.160 very long time. Um, So the Romans say, we're from 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.760 India and they know that. Now, no one knew whether 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.559 that was correct or not. They were called gypsies because 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.880 people thought they were from Egypt. Um, they were in Romania, 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:49.240 but they crossed the Balkans. Um. It was really just 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.280 very confusing. They were just basically this nomadic group of 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.920 dark skinned people who spoke their own language and didn't 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:59.240 practice the prevailing religions, so everybody just hated them. Well, finally, 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:05.640 in the eighteenth century, Uh, a Hungarian scholar theologian I believe, 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:10.200 decided he wanted to kind of dig into Romani language 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.520 and figure out what the deal was with it, and 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:17.120 he found quite surprisingly that a lot of it contained Sanskrit. Yeah, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.079 so that's gonna put you in northern India. And then 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.480 they did some genetic testing to kind of get that 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:26.280 stuff confirmed and basically came up with the fact that 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:33.959 they migrated out of India about But the dates get 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.560 a little hazy for sure. Well, some people think that 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.960 as seven D. This as far back as I think 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.839 anyone's willing to go. But then I think a lot 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:47.360 of historians agree that they're actually descended from a specific 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.480 group who were ejected from northern India because of raids 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:56.200 from Persia around a thousand to a thousand D. Now, 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.320 was that with the spread of Islam, Yeah, Mohammad of Gosni, Yeah, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:05.080 he wanted to spread Islam around and so he brought in. Uh. Well, 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.520 the Hindus organized a group of people to fight that, obviously, 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.080 to fight the Muslims, and they had an army called 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.280 the raj Puts. I think that's as good as any 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.280 or as the the j silent are a Jput No, 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:25.439 uh No, It's like Maharaja maybe, yeah, that sounds better, uh, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.240 and they defeated the army. Um, I'm sorry, they were 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.040 defeated and then taking captive and then another group from 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.880 Persia came along the se and they conquered them and 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.840 then took the raj Puts out of Northern India and 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.280 into what is now Turkey, right, and they basically the 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.719 DSPOR has started then supposedly, yeah, that was where they 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.439 think the Romani originally came from. They were displaced Indians 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:56.440 fighting to protect their homeland. And they basically when they 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:01.960 were ejected from uh, Northern India, Yeah, by Mohammed of 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.800 Gosni and his people, they became slaves. And then when 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:10.000 Mohammed of Gosney was defeated by the Celjics, they became 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.480 slaves for the Celjics. Turkey pretty much put upon from 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.040 the get go, right, So they were slaves, servant class 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:22.440 um laborers for many centuries and they finally made it out. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:28.120 I guess once the um. Once the Ottomans defeated, Now 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.880 what's the Christians? I guess when in during the Crusades 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:37.520 and defeated the Turks and Istan Bull was converted from 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:43.520 Constantinople the um Rajputs, who were by now the Roma, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.559 were moved from Turkey across the Balkans into present day 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.600 Transylvania Wallachia, and a large number of them were purchased 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:57.000 by Vlad dreck Cool, also known as Lad Tepish or 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.680 Vlad the Impaler or Count Dracula. He owned some of 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.360 the first Romani people. How many across I think like 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.480 five hundred or five thousands or something like that. Yeah, 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:14.720 and they suffered tremendously. Anyone who worked for Vaude suffered tremendously. Well, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.959 lets to do an episode on him. He hated dust 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.480 on the shelves. He did, may fly into a rage. Um. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.160 It's interesting, though to see their religion these days of Roma, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.600 like it's it's kind of all over the map. There 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.080 are some Christians, um, there are some Muslims, right, and 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:34.240 some Hindu. I don't know. Yeah, I think there's not 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.920 like a a single religion for for an ethnic group. Well, 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.040 I guess it's not the weirdest thing. Well no, but 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.760 I mean I think what what happened was there was 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.760 a group of them, and then the group became further 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.640 and further fragmented, and so you can take all of 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.040 the language and the religious police and all of this 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.920 this stuff that is Romani culture, and you're probably gonna 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.560 find some similar elements that you can all trace back 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:02.000 to about at a d when they crossed over into 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.440 the Balkans and then started to spread from there. Yeah, 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.040 but I think that makes a lot of sense though, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.760 because apparently even the tribes today speak different versions of 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.280 the same language. So it's they don't have like a 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.040 codified language, even though they're pushing for that, right they are, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.400 they think that might help. So they're in Romania right 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.440 what's now present day Romania, UM, And for the next 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:29.200 four hundred years they are slaves in Romania until Romania 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.920 abolishes slavery, and even now that's still that basically their 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.880 home base. Romania is like, okay, we'll take care of 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.400 you guys, sorry about the last four centuries, UM, And 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.200 no one else in the EU will. But Romania does 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:47.520 provide for their Romani population more than any other country there. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.000 But they were subjugated there too, weren't they, or at 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.640 least discriminated against. Yeah, there were slaves for four years 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.600 they well, I mean after that though, weren't they like 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.120 they had a hard time they weren't served in stores, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.120 and oh yes, it still goes on today in Romania. Okay, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.480 I thought they were a little like more accepting. No, 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.400 I think that's like kind of them. I think that's 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:12.280 the That doesn't mean that Romania is just like um 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.440 Roma loving, right, They're just they treat them slightly less 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:20.640 badly than the rest of your slight Roma tolerant. Okay, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:25.280 let's settle on that. Um. But because of the fact 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.800 that they weren't um allowed service in stores and that 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.240 maybe they had low literacy and they couldn't get jobs, 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.440 no one wants to hire them. It was sort of 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:37.120 this cyclical thing where they had to resort to thievery 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:41.440 and deception. And it's just how do you get build 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.040 yourself up as a people when you can't work. You 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.000 still need to eat, So how do you eat? You 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.160 maybe steal something, and so it's just sort of the 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.160 constant cycle that to this day they haven't been able 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.440 to break out of. You know, Yeah, it's it's kind 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.680 of a self perpetuating thing. Like they have a bad 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.720 reputation in part because they do behave badly, and they 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.760 behave badly in part because they have a bad reputation, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.000 so they can't get lag up like thousands of years. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.600 It's it's unbelievable. Yeah, and there's I think one of 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:15.000 the probably the hallmarks of um Romanic culture is it's um. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.000 It just won't assimilate. Like they just don't assimilate into 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.800 whatever culture there and their their visitors, their guests there 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.760 um or parasites or leeches depending on you know where 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.720 you live and how you feel about them. Um, but 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:36.159 they are not interested in becoming part of your culture 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.760 where you live. Yeah, they seem pretty private and like 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.439 only concerned about their tribe, right. And the thing is 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.320 the problem with that is that tends to make the 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:50.000 majority of a culture very nervous. Yeah, well, why aren't 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:54.320 you like eating our liberty cabbage and freedom fries? Like 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:58.439 what's your problem? Well, you know, I bet they love cabbage. Well, like, 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.639 why why don't you want to like work nine to five? 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.880 And you know that kind of stuff. So when when 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.280 any group won't assimilate and exists on the fringes seemingly, 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.960 you know, by their own accord, that's UM. That definitely 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:17.359 raises a lot of suspicion in the majority culture. Unless 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.239 you live in Montana, yeah, it's true, so maybe they 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:24.560 play well, there have friends in Montana. They know I'm kidding. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.479 So right for this message break, we're going to talk 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:34.399 about some of the atrocities they suffered during World War two. Yeah, alright, 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.440 it's World War two. The Nazis are doing their thing, 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.880 and they are not just persecuting Jewish people, they are 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.239 persecuting anyone that is a minority that they don't agree with. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.800 In the Roma were some of the first ones that 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:54.680 they targeted, and by um what's the word, by percentage 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.879 or of their total population maybe even suffered more than 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.800 the Jewish people as far as like like half of 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.280 the Roman people or something were executed. I think it 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.639 was half of a million were in Germany or in 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.920 the in the lands that Germany conquered. Yeah, and they 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.280 you know, they were. There's a documentary apparently out and 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:18.480 I read an article on it, but they didn't even 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.320 give the name of it. But it's uh, these filmmakers 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:26.480 in Toronto, Jewish filmmakers made a documentary about um, the 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:30.080 Romani Holocaust because it's just not a story you ever hear. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.920 But the filmmakers Tom Raski and Lynn Binder, like I said, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:38.199 we're Jewish Holocaust survivors, children of Holocaust survivors. And the 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:43.720 director and uh them Roma musician actually helped make it 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.320 so they are still the musical people, not just the 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.880 Gypsy kings. And we said, we don't know the name 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.600 of the documentary. I couldn't find. It's a terrible article. 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.680 It was terrible. Um. So, Yeah, during World War Two, 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:59.159 the Roma and the Jews were the only two ethnic 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.919 groups that were targeted because of their ethnicity by the Nazis. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.639 Um And yeah, they suffered tremendously. And they have a 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.880 word for it, um. It means the great devouring. It's 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:17.040 a poor amos port amos. Yeah, it means the great devouring. Yeah. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.520 It could also mean rape apparently, which kind of puts 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:24.280 a button on that experience. Uh. And I didtle more 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.760 reading about it too. Apparently they really annoyed the s 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.320 S as well, because they would not go quietly like 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.240 they would say. They would have them dig their own graves, 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.480 stand naked in front of them just so they could 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.040 chew them and push them in. And uh, he said 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.200 that they wouldn't just stand there and like take their 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.879 death gracefully. They would yell and scream and run around 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.600 and try and dodge bullets, and I guess it was 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.720 pretty sensible. Well yeah, exactly, but I guess that's part 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.400 of the you know, the survivor in them, because they've 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.280 been booted all around. You know, they gotta do what 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.440 they can. So like this guy's pointing a gun at me, 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.439 I'm gonna try and get out of here, even if 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:05.439 I'm naked, sad, And the rest of the majority of 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.200 culture was like, no, you just stand still, right, what's 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:14.080 wrong with you? Unbelievable. So one of the more shameful 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:18.680 but also telling things about the Roma Holocaust was the 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:23.520 way it was treated afterwards. It was basically unmentioned at 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:28.840 the Nuremberg trials, um, which you know, we're to address 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.800 the Holocaust as a whole, you know, and just kind 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.359 of ignored like this one whole thing because well it 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:40.439 was the Roma apparently. And then, uh, one s S 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:45.159 officer in history has was ever persecuted or prosecuted for 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:49.080 crimes against Roma during World War Two, just one person, 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.000 even though half a million Roma died. So why, my friend, 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.160 we I don't think we posted the question, Uh, why 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:00.880 did they think they came from eagypt To begin with oh, yeah, 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:05.000 well apparently it was just a complete accident. Yeah. Well, um, 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.439 they came from northern India originally, and a lot of 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:12.400 Roma have a dark complexion um and look the part 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:17.440 maybe a little to uh to an untrained eye. Um. 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:23.240 And they ended up settling in the Greek Isles for 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.639 a little bit or some at some point some Roma 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.959 did and around there the place where they settled, there 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.040 was a place where they came from along the Adriatic 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.520 had been known as Little Egypt. To the people in 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:39.640 Peloponnesia thought oh, well, they're Egyptians, so they started calling 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.679 them gypsies clearly because they live in Little Egypt and 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:46.960 they have dark complexions. That's interesting. So what about these days? 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.600 It's interesting history. But these days they still, like we said, 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.040 have a lot of are still musicians. A lot of 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.520 them still uh pick up camp and move. Some of 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.880 them still trade horses. Uh. They're known for being metal 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:04.920 workers and uh, well a lot of them have trades 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:09.440 that were learned as slaves in Romania that have been 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:13.200 passed down and are still practiced today. So like, for example, 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:17.480 some group that was that were copper workers as slaves 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:22.399 in Romania. Their ancestors were the groups today do scrap metal. 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:24.520 That's what they deal with, so they know what they're 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.760 doing with with metal. Like, there're a lot of the 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:31.720 trades that a Roma clan does for a living. Yeah, 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.200 um is passed down from their their days of slaves 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.639 in Romania. Yeah, and the fact that they're still musicians 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.840 today is definitely one of those because they found they 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.879 could make a few bucks by even appearing trying to 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.320 appear more exotic and do performances and look at us 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:51.159 where the weird exotic Roman people or the Gypsies. Look 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.959 how colorful our clothes are exactly And I'm playing my 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.040 finger tambourine while you're getting your pocket picked perhaps out. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:04.040 That's that's something that happened. So was it? Because apparently 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:08.639 the media is totally cool with just perpetuating lies and 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:12.920 untruths about the Roma and as not to be trusted 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:17.360 anymore than they purport. The Roma should shouldn't be the 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:20.720 media the media reports like um. I read that in 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:24.320 that article I read in The Guardian by Dr Finnesska, 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:28.760 the Auroma authority, she points out that I want some 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:33.280 British paper said that a Roma woman who they named 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:38.080 like by name named her son Lucifer, which is apparently 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:41.520 wholly untrue. But this is in like the nineties that 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:45.000 that papers were printing this, So apparently the Roma have 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:46.879 always been this group that you can kick around and 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.560 everybody's cool with basically with you kicking him around. So 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:54.399