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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Jerry Roblin. Just a

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Speaker 1: couple of no Man's on the road. Yeah, with our

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Speaker 1: trinkets and our recordion. Uh you know gypsies, tramps and thieves.

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Speaker 1: You like my my Share? Yeah? I learned it from

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Speaker 1: Jack from UM Oh yeah, was that his Share? Well?

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Speaker 1: There was this one really classic scene where um he

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Speaker 1: meets Share in a restaurant, but he thinks it's like

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Speaker 1: a shared drag queen impersonator, Right, so he calls her

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Speaker 1: like Mr. Sister and like starts giving her porters on

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Speaker 1: how to do a good share. Yeah, he always does

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Speaker 1: the hair flip. Right. I love that show. It's a

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Speaker 1: good show. It's it holds up. It's in reruns now

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Speaker 1: it's just as good. Yeah. But yeah, I had this

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Speaker 1: that horrible Share song in my head like while I

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Speaker 1: was um studying, and it just wouldn't go away. So

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Speaker 1: I listened to it and now I'm like, no, it

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Speaker 1: just got worse. Uh. Is there a modern PC version

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Speaker 1: that's Roma Tramps and Thieves? No, but in my head,

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Speaker 1: you can also say gypsies, Franks, and beans, and it's

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Speaker 1: like kind of neutral. It's better than tramps and thieves.

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Speaker 1: Good point. But the term gypsy is that a good point.

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Speaker 1: It's a terrible point. Don't patronize me gypsies though. The

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Speaker 1: word itself, we're gonna try not to use because it's

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Speaker 1: it's a pejorative term. It is, at the very least,

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Speaker 1: it's now considered an ethnic slur uh. And it's in

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Speaker 1: part because it's associated with the concept of being jipped.

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Speaker 1: Like if somebody doesn't give you a fair deal or

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Speaker 1: something like that, or rips you off or something like that,

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Speaker 1: you've been jipped. It's it's short for gypsied. You've been

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Speaker 1: you've been dealt with somebody, right, not the other way around. Right,

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Speaker 1: because we believe it came from Egypt. Right, it was

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Speaker 1: a miss misapplication, misunderstanding in the Greek Isles by Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: romance novel. All right, so let's let's get into this.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna say gypsies like you said, Actually that's

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Speaker 1: not entirely true. We're probably going to forget once in

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Speaker 1: a while because we were both raised on shell Silverstein.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember you may reminded me of this one,

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Speaker 1: The Gypsies are Coming, which is it's very difficult to

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Speaker 1: find the original version of the Gypsies are Coming, which

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Speaker 1: is a poem of shell silversteins and where the sidewalk ends.

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Speaker 1: Because before his death, and I believe that sometimes in

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Speaker 1: the nineties or early two thousand's, it was that long ago,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I remember he changed it from the Gypsies

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Speaker 1: are Coming to the Googis or the Googies because he

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Speaker 1: felt that it was mean towards Gypsies, and it kind

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Speaker 1: of is because it's about child stealing Gypsies, which is

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Speaker 1: a rumor um that's been attached to Gypsies forever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they steal children and use them as props in making

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Speaker 1: in pickpockets schemes. Yeah, there are a lot of, um,

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Speaker 1: I guess, rumors about the culture, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: them are founded and a lot of them are unfounded. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: none of it's just like black and white one way

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Speaker 1: or the other. The Gypsies aren't just some completely kicked

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Speaker 1: around put upon ethnic group. And and at the same

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Speaker 1: time they're not just a bunch of like thieving violin

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Speaker 1: playing marauders, you know. Yeah, So anyway, to get to

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Speaker 1: the point, we'll say Roma as much as we can

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Speaker 1: roma or romany, and we'll even explain why we call

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Speaker 1: them Roma. Shortly it sounds good. Well, we just missed.

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Speaker 1: International Roman Day was on April eight man and that's

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Speaker 1: been around and John Carey, Secretive of State carry came

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Speaker 1: out and that's some nice words to say about, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, celebrating the rich Romanic culture and give him

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Speaker 1: didn't know there was a International Roma Day, So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's sticking in like the mass public. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it takes a little time to gain traction.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while. It has been since the seventies.

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Speaker 1: The seventies were like a big era of um ethnic

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Speaker 1: and minority group like saying hey, we're here and like

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Speaker 1: we're standing up for our rights and you can't kick

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Speaker 1: us around anymore. You know, good for them, we're owning

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Speaker 1: our identity and the Roman did it too. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been a little while. Uh. These days there are

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Speaker 1: around twelve million Roma. And when we say scattered, they

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Speaker 1: are scattered. And that's what they're known for, is not

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Speaker 1: dropping down permanent roots and moving along and one reason

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Speaker 1: the Roma sociologists, the the authority on Romanic culture and people,

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Speaker 1: Dr Romani, Dr finessca Isabella finnesska Um. She basically points out,

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Speaker 1: like tell me another group that just willfully picks up

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Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. They move largely mostly because they've been

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Speaker 1: forced to time and time again. I think humans desire

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Speaker 1: to route down. That's sort of what we've based our

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Speaker 1: success on is people. Yes, is staying one place and

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Speaker 1: fortifying and you know sedentary nous. I don't know about sedentary,

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Speaker 1: but like getting couch locked exactly. That's your new favorite term. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, they they are kind of spread all over

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Speaker 1: the EU. They're scattered to the way. Then they do

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Speaker 1: move quite frequently. But it's like you said, it's it's um,

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily because they're nomadic. They are nomadic people,

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Speaker 1: but not necessarily because they want to be. But the

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Speaker 1: problem is is where wherever they go. Virtually everywhere they

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Speaker 1: go in the European Union. Um, they are kind of

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Speaker 1: forced out eventually at some point. Yeah, I sent you

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Speaker 1: that article today and it is literally in today's news

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Speaker 1: police are to day and night locate Roma families living

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Speaker 1: in the street and systematically evict them, even though that

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Speaker 1: is supposedly illegal in France. And uh it is and

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Speaker 1: it's a chic area of Paris, and they don't want

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Speaker 1: um people in poverty. And a lot of the Romantic

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Speaker 1: them are. I'm not saying that makes it right. All

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Speaker 1: all of the Romani except for the gypsy kings the

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Speaker 1: band are having in poverty pretty much. They are actual

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Speaker 1: Gypsies that look, I thought they were from Mexico. No,

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Speaker 1: their parents were all Romani that were basically kicked out

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Speaker 1: right pretty much. And I'm like, wonder what they do, Like,

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Speaker 1: are they still they still have that Roma thing? To

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Speaker 1: I think from what I've read, they the Roman people

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Speaker 1: are are, you know, embrace their heritage. It seems like it,

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Speaker 1: I mean to to, almost to a detrimental degree. Well.

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Speaker 1: Last September um Manuel Valls Uh, the Interior minister at

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Speaker 1: did they realize how hard Dutches Yeah? Uh, maybe that's

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Speaker 1: And yeah, the Roma in particular are have kind of

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Speaker 1: been the butt of all this stuff. It's not just France.

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Speaker 1: I saw an article where in Rome Um to Rome

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Speaker 1: underage kids whose parents weren't in the group at the time.

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Speaker 1: So imagine if you come home from a day of

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Speaker 1: to live on the street there any longer. Trading cars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what they're into big time. They still trade horses too, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but among them they also trade cars too. They'll go

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Speaker 1: that's called Craigslist, buddy, kind of romani Craigslist. Good for them. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So the point is there, wherever they go in the EU,

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Speaker 1: they end up getting the bombs rush basically. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's called they call it the gypsy problem still

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Speaker 1: to this day in the European Union. So, and the

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Speaker 1: one place that they can kind of call home is Romania. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think Transylvania too has a pretty robust, fairly

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Speaker 1: And they were led there actually by a purchase by

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Speaker 1: a guy named vlad dra Cool in the fifteenth century.

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Speaker 1: I think I've heard of that guy. Yeah, So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about how the Roma ended up in their adopted

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Speaker 1: even they aren't certain. Well, no, that's the one thing

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Speaker 1: that's about it because they there's a high illiteracy rates,

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Speaker 1: lost to history. Um. But I think they did settle

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Speaker 1: on the fact that they came from India, Josh, which knew, right,

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Speaker 1: but they crossed the Balkans. Um. It was really just

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Speaker 1: very confusing. They were just basically this nomadic group of

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Speaker 1: he found quite surprisingly that a lot of it contained Sanskrit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they migrated out of India about But the dates get

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Speaker 1: of historians agree that they're actually descended from a specific

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Speaker 1: group who were ejected from northern India because of raids

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Speaker 1: from Persia around a thousand to a thousand D. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Hindus organized a group of people to fight that, obviously,

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Speaker 1: uh No, It's like Maharaja maybe, yeah, that sounds better, uh,

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Speaker 1: and they defeated the army. Um, I'm sorry, they were

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Speaker 1: think the Romani originally came from. They were displaced Indians

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Speaker 1: fighting to protect their homeland. And they basically when they

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Speaker 1: Gosni and his people, they became slaves. And then when

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Speaker 1: Young girls, they still have arranged marriages even to this day. Um.

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00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: Getting their daughters matched up with another another person of

423
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: the Romanic cultures is important to them. And apparently teenagers

424
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, like as young as twelve. It's a

425
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: little weird, is that right? Yeah? Um, and they because

426
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: of the literacy rate. I think it's especially hard on

427
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: young women. They don't care very much about educating them, right. Um.

428
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: And then employment is just kind of a side thing

429
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: you do when you need money. For the most part.

430
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: Part of that is that's just kind of part of

431
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: Romani culture. But it asks the question, uh, you know,

432
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: do they is that part of Romani culture because they

433
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: haven't been able to get a job, or do they

434
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: just not work? And that's part of Romani culture, right?

435
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: You know, which which side of the coin has actually

436
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: created this this situation. But they apparently we're giving jobs

437
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: under communism in Eastern Europe. Uh, and went to work

438
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: in factories and things like that for a little while,

439
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: but then after Communism disintegrated, the the Romo were fired.

440
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: First apparently they were the persones out the door. Yeah,

441
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: they're like the bosses no longer the boss. You're fired.

442
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: I'm firing you. Yeah. And then of course from that

443
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: rose more complaints of stealing and thievery and uh a

444
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: lot of it too. Isn't just uh illegal activities, but

445
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: a lot of begging and panhandling and stuff that apparently

446
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: in cheek districts in Paris is unsightly. So it sounds

447
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: like from this description that Romani women are they do

448
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: almost all of the work, especially around the household. They do,

449
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: and then men may or may not even have jobs. Yeah,

450
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: but they're they're these they do existing clans, and these

451
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: clans do have tribunals to handle disputes, and the men

452
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of run all that off, like the government of

453
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: the of the village or group. Yeah, whereas the women

454
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: are like running the household stuff. But the men are

455
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: apparently totally clearly dominant. Yeah. Ah, I think that's true.

456
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: And unless it's just something we read, that's not because

457
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: I read one of the filmmakers for that documentary said,

458
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, we're told that they aren't even that nomadic anymore.

459
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, but that flies in the face of everything

460
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: I've read so well, it's in this article as well.

461
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: It says like a lot of them want to settle

462
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: down and are trying to make um, trying to establish

463
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: roots in places, but they get kicked out eventually. I

464
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: think they fared pretty well here in the States apparently,

465
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: so I don't know about like, I'm not saying they're

466
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: they're rising to CEO positions or anything, but I think

467
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: they haven't been h like kicked around like they have

468
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: been in the EU at least. Well, America loves it's

469
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: traveling romanticize thing, you know, yeah, the the open road. Yeah, yes,

470
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So anybody who's on the open

471
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: road is you know, romanticized a little bit more here,

472
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: I think than in Europe. I think you're right, Um,

473
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: this this takes a toll though, all the all the

474
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: poverty and the moving around and the lack of education

475
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: is going to take a toll on on any ethnicity,

476
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: and it's definitely happening with the Romani because they apparently

477
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: um compared to similar populations in Slovakia, Ireland, Czech Republican

478
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 1: Bulgaria die about six to ten years earlier, and infant

479
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: mortality rates are double and triple of those in surrounding

480
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: ethnic groups, which is disturbing. Which you can say, oh,

481
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: that's right, Well, their poverty stricken. Uh, they don't eat

482
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: the most nutritious meals around because their poverty stricken. They

483
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: don't have easy access to healthcare. On the other side

484
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: of the coin, apparently, um, they also typically shunned um

485
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: local medicine in favor of their own medicine, which is

486
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: often homeopathic apparently. And so for example, tuberculosis is just

487
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: like a it's like a fatal disease, even though if

488
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: you step outside of camp into town, it's not right

489
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: if you just go to that hospital right there, yeah,

490
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: it's not Uh. Yeah, here's the illiteracy rate of romani

491
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: girls can't read. Yeah, and apparently most romantic kids have

492
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: either gender don't complete high school. So all of this,

493
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: the fact that they are poverty stricken, that they have

494
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: lower life expectancy, higher informortality rates, lower education, higher literacy rates,

495
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: it's tough to get a leg up, especially when the

496
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: entire world basically looks at you like you are never

497
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: to be trusted. Yeah, so what do you do? I

498
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: will tell you what you do after this tam break.

499
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm dying to know a solution. Yeah, well, you know

500
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: it's it's a long run. We already talked about the solution.

501
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: But you organize, you get together and you say, hey,

502
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: we are this group of people. We um we have

503
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: a history, we have a past. Because Dr finnessca Isabella

504
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: Finnesska points out quite rightly, I think the easiest way

505
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: to dehumanize people is to strip them of any context,

506
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: any history, and that means that the Roma are right

507
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: for exploitation when it comes to that dehumanization, because they

508
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: really don't have a history. Like historians think maybe that

509
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: they came out of northern India thousand a thousand years ago.

510
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: They probably did, but it's not entirely confirmed. Right. Can

511
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: I read this quote by her? Yeah, it's like the

512
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: saddest thing I've ever read, and this is by Finesska.

513
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: The Roma have no heroes, no myths of origin of

514
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: a great liberation, of the founding of a nation, of

515
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: a promised land. And that's like pretty much puts the

516
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Jerry on topic, right, since pretty much every other culture

517
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: on the planet does have that. It makes them appear shiftless, aimless, lazy,

518
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: like so lazy they don't even care about their own culture,

519
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: so how can anybody else care about their culture? Well, finally,

520
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: some Roma got together in the seventies and said, we're

521
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: gonna start being Roma Romani activists, Like we're misunderstood. And

522
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: I think from this interaction inside and out and the

523
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: separation between us and the rest of the world, there's

524
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: a this misunderstanding is creating some self prophecies, self fulfilling prophecies,

525
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: self perpetuating myths. And they got together and said, okay,

526
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: we come from Northern India, India. We want you to

527
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: sponsor like a congress, and they did in Yeah, it

528
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: was very awesome, the first World Romanic Congress. And uh

529
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: there were Romani from fourteen different countries and they picked

530
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: out a flag and an anthem, which just sounds so

531
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: weird that you would have to do that in the seventies.

532
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: I'll bet it's exuberant. I'm sure it was. And um

533
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: oh you think, I'll bet the Gypsy can can play

534
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: it really well and it probably sounds like Beirut, you

535
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: know that band. He sounds like yeah, um m, yeah,

536
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: uh so it was. You know, it was a big

537
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: unifying moment and a rare unifying moment for the people

538
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: in and because they had the sponsorship of India though

539
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: uh the u N had to they had to maybe

540
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: they really wanted to officially recognized them as an ethnic

541
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: group in So that was a victory seven years later. Yeah,

542
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, well, what's um, what's sad though? Is it?

543
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: I guess the one of the more prevalent proposals for

544
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: getting Romani like a leg up is for them to

545
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: assault assimilate culturally. Apparently nothing's ever really going to change

546
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: until they are willing to assimilate culturally. Um. And that's

547
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of like the crux of the matter. The problem

548
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: is is if if you, um, if you you start

549
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: to assimilate, you lose your culture. Yeah, which is happening somewhat.

550
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: You know. They they're already having a hard time holding

551
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: onto their dialect because of its fractured nature with the

552
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: different tribes. But like you said, assimilation it's a bit

553
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: of a sad thing, you know, let go of your

554
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: own past that's already checkered. So uh, I don't know,

555
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: that would that mean the end of the Romani. Well,

556
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean you you can also make the case that,

557
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, the Chinese have been um uh middlemen might

558
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: no already, Jewish people have been middleman minority in different places.

559
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: Um Any group that comes to a new place and

560
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: settles and then just kind of maintains its ethnic identity

561
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: for a while is a middleman minority. And you can

562
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: look around and say, well, you know, Chinese have assimilated

563
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: into the US pretty fully, but you still understand there's

564
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: such a thing as you know, Chinese ethnic and cultural

565
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: identity not dead Chinatown in most major cities. So I

566
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe they'll be like Romani Town in San

567
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Francisco a hundred years from now. In San Francisco, the

568
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: president will be Romani. You know, you know who knows,

569
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: But it won't happen apparently, I guess that's the best.

570
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: That's the the deal that's on the table. Yeah, we'll

571
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: take care of you, but you have to stop being

572
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: outside fringe dwelling weirdos. Well and until there, like this

573
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: whole Paris deal. That the reason why they're shuffling him

574
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: out of this one district, it's because they were shuffled

575
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: out of another district. That's yeah. And it happens on

576
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: a macro scale as well. Yeah, like not just within

577
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: the city, within Europe as a whole. Well, and one

578
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: of the I can't remember the ladies name, but one

579
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: of the French UM bureaucrats said, we we we just

580
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: need to get them back to where they came from,

581
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: back to Romania. Oh well yeah, it's like really he

582
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: just said that, you know. Yeah. Well, plus also shows

583
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of historic I literacy. Um, but do

584
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: you want to talk about other terms for him depending

585
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: on where they are. So in the UK they call

586
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: him travelers. Uh. In Rome and Spain they're called gitanas,

587
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: So the Gypsy Gypsy Kings are technically gaitanas. Um. Let's see.

588
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: In Germany and Italy they call him Sinto. I can't

589
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: believe I thought the Gypsy Kings were from Mexico. That's

590
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: pretty ignorant. No, No, I think most people thought that.

591
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: Who aren't like into world music, you know? But I

592
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: heard of the Gypsy Kings or whatever. You know, it's

593
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: they see they play huge guitars. Okay, thank you, you

594
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: know I'm with you on now. I just didn't want

595
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: to be the white guy. It's like their Mexican right.

596
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like that. Uh so that's the

597
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: Gypsy Kings. You got anything else on gypsies on Roma? Man?

598
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know, but the title of the article

599
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: is how Gypsies work. And I think it'll attract listeners

600
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: because people. I don't think a lot of people understand

601
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: what the heck it is. I didn't what Roma. Well,

602
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: it makes you think, like, well, they're from Rome. Yeah, Romania. No,

603
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: I wonder if that means that Romania is from Rome.

604
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: This is one of the more confusing episodes we've done.

605
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: As it turns out, if you want to learn more

606
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: about the Roma or Romani, don't take those words. Type

607
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Speaker 1: gypsy into the search bar at house to works dot

608
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: com and it will bring up this article. And I said,

609
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: search bars means it's time for listener mail. Uh. This

610
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Speaker 1: is a question post to us from Josh Roberts of Washington,

611
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Speaker 1: d C. Hey, guys, I'm a big fan. I found

612
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: the podcast last year and downloaded a few episodes, but

613
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Speaker 1: it caught my interests and ended up going back to

614
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Speaker 1: the beginning and I've listened to every episode on iTunes. Josh,

615
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but we have

616
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: a lot more episodes than that, my friend, Yeah, I

617
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: know that. Are you talking to just the Josh Roberts,

618
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Speaker 1: it's not Josh Clark. Yeah. We have a whole page

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Speaker 1: now with all of our episodes on our website that

620
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Speaker 1: stuff dot com. iTunes features the most recent three one episodes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we have like six d and thirty something episodes.

622
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Speaker 1: So he may know that, but maybe not go back

623
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Speaker 1: on list of the old ones that they're pretty funny.

624
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Speaker 1: There is some good ones in there, not the real

625
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: old ones, but you know, after maybe fifty they really

626
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Speaker 1: started to get good, talking so fast and like it's

627
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Speaker 1: it's a total jackass. And we left the cave that

628
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Speaker 1: we recorded in the can uh Okay. So he's writing

629
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Speaker 1: because he has an important question to ask. Imagine that

630
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Speaker 1: time travel is real, and you and go to any

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Speaker 1: time place in all of history, and you could bring

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Speaker 1: one thing with you. My question is where would you

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Speaker 1: go and what would you bring. I've been asking people

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Speaker 1: this question since I was sixteen. Now I'm forty two

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Speaker 1: years old, and I've had many interesting and some disturbing

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Speaker 1: answers about our money making ploys like the old back

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Speaker 1: to the future, bringing a sports almanac. Many people talk

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Speaker 1: about going back to Mozart Beethoven's time to bring and

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Speaker 1: bringing a recording device, and then of course, other notable

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Speaker 1: answers include shooting Hitler, stopping the murder of JFK. R.

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Speaker 1: M Olk. My favorite answer is going back to the

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Speaker 1: late fourteen hundreds with a battleship and making sure the

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Speaker 1: Europeans never reached the America's Yeah, so we have to

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Speaker 1: answer this now. My question to Josh Roberts is is

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Speaker 1: this something that are you gonna go come back to

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Speaker 1: present daytime? Because you know, what good would it go

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Speaker 1: due to go record Beethoven if you're stuck there or

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Speaker 1: the recording of Beethoven there's a caveat so if you

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Speaker 1: can come back to present daytime. I've thought about this,

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Speaker 1: I haven't had the benefit of thinking. Just keep thinking.

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Speaker 1: I think I might go back to the time of

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Speaker 1: Jesus and biblical times because well documented my constant struggle

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Speaker 1: with my religious upbringing over the years. He's going and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the source, and I'm taking a

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Speaker 1: video camera with unlimited amounts of you know, recording space,

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Speaker 1: let's say, yeah, a bunch of them and I can

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Speaker 1: bring this back, And I think it would I think

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Speaker 1: it would delight everyone. I think Christians would be delighted

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Speaker 1: because you have real footage of a sermon on the

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Speaker 1: mount and these I think delighted might be understating the

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Speaker 1: reaction you would get. It would be over the moon

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Speaker 1: about having original recordings of Jesus doing this thing. I

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Speaker 1: would think so. And I think it would also be

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Speaker 1: helpful to just sort of sort out what the deal

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Speaker 1: was and uh say, you know what are these stories

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Speaker 1: out glory? Are they? Did they really happen? Am I

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Speaker 1: going to go back and see people walking on the

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Speaker 1: water and come back and say, hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's all absolutely true everyone. I think it would be

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Speaker 1: like the greatest discovery and religion that has had such

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Speaker 1: an impact on world history. So that's my boom, That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm doing. That's a good one. Thanks. Um. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, I should have sent this to you ahead

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Speaker 1: of time. I feel bad for springing it on you. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll just give a cursory one. I would I would

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Speaker 1: go to um. I would go to probably some place

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Speaker 1: that's kind of an exotic locale, now, but like sixty

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Speaker 1: years ago when it was super exotic. Not so. I

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Speaker 1: would say, you know what, I would go to, like um,

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Speaker 1: Polynesia or Cuba. Yeah, in okay, and I realized they

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Speaker 1: were nowhere near the same thing. But I would go

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Speaker 1: to I would go to Cuba in nine and the

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Speaker 1: thing I would take would be interesting. So you just

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Speaker 1: go for a vacation forever vacation. Yeah all right. See,

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Speaker 1: I would recommend you go back even further to Cuba

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Speaker 1: before there was anyone there with like a big gun,

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Speaker 1: and then you own Cuba. I don't want to own Cuba.

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Speaker 1: And like I like the local flavor, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like I like the local flavor. That's like

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Speaker 1: not been Uh there's not like an old navy anywhere

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Speaker 1: near this local flavor. It's like, gotcha, totally local flavor.

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Speaker 1: But they also have you know, mohitos already. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: you would go get away from the things of man

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Speaker 1: back in the day with your wife where they have

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Speaker 1: alcohol served. Yes, it's a great answer. Thanks. I love it.

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Speaker 1: It was off the cuff and just I can just

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Speaker 1: picture you and you me kicking it in nineteen twenty

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Speaker 1: and Cuba, Cuba. Yeah, very one of those shirts to

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Speaker 1: be one of those guys who were Cuban shirts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what are those called the Cuban shirts? Yeah, there's noth name.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. I'm sure it's like the Cruiseware right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but with two pockets and the unnecessary seams and there's

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Speaker 1: the same somewhere. John Hodgman and Jesse Thorner a going

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