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Speaker 1: All right, man, you go ahead, all right, all right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. We got my coach,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite people, Pete Carroll. I just want

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Speaker 1: to say before we get started, I appreciate you. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the chapters of your journey that I participated in.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a small snippet of your.

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Speaker 1: Fifty years of coaching significantly, but I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a fun time, you know, from my high school recruiting

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Speaker 1: to all the way you know, to our last game here.

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Speaker 3: I want to say I appreciate you well.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you saying that we had some great times

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Speaker 4: and meaningful stuff that we've been through. We've been in

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Speaker 4: this office sitting down, you and me talking one on

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Speaker 4: one before. We had some issues over the years to

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Speaker 4: make sure we ironed out, but we always did. And uh,

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Speaker 4: I'm really really grateful. I mean, those these golden years

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Speaker 4: you know for me. Yeah, and the beautiful time, and

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Speaker 4: so I particularly like celebrating it with you now in

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Speaker 2: It's great, it's the best.

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Speaker 3: You know. We've had ups and downs.

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Speaker 1: We've had good times, bad time, but I appreciate every

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Speaker 1: moment of them. I think we had way more good

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Speaker 1: to appreciate anything exactly. But you started off at UOP.

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Speaker 1: You know, you played there, going back, We're going back.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking you back, but I'm we're not gonna live there.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna take it through. So tell me, just

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Speaker 1: tell me how you developed your philosophy defensively, because you've

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Speaker 1: been through a lot of head coaches, you coached under

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Speaker 1: a lot of great head coaches. Where did you develop that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the significant time about my background and defense really

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Speaker 4: system and philosophy and approach. He's the best coach I

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Speaker 4: ever worked with, and taught me so much and took

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Speaker 4: me under his wing right from the beginning, and and

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Speaker 4: we were back and forth different places for years. We're

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Speaker 1: So you've coached, you made your way through you major

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Speaker 1: way to the National Football League. You broke in your

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Speaker 1: But just tell me what you learned through your first sin.

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Speaker 4: Well, I had always been a San Francisco guy. I'd

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Speaker 2: There was stuff going on.

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Speaker 4: So I went in there thinking I was gonna you know,

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Speaker 3: I hate to bring up old scars.

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Speaker 2: But that's okay. I expect that.

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Speaker 1: I remember when we had them in twenty twelve, when

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, me, I never talked about rivalries and

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Speaker 2: It's okay to me.

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Speaker 2: I need it, you know.

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Speaker 2: It was just a marvelous time.

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Speaker 4: It was such a rich time because we turned a

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Speaker 1: it's fantastic. But you you you changed philosophies when you

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Speaker 4: and all that. And I mean I didn't I didn't

438
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 4: know any of you guys. I didn't know what was

439
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,239
Speaker 4: going to happen. But but I wanted to go with

440
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 4: you guys.

441
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,640
Speaker 2: You know that. I wanted to do it with you guys.

442
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 2: And the guys liked that.

443
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 4: And so Bruce, I mean Bruce's story, I mean, shoot,

444
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 4: I nobody knows the whole story, but the story behind

445
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 4: that I want him on our team, and so we

446
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,840
Speaker 4: might have drafted a little higher than other people, but

447
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,400
Speaker 4: I didn't care because I want them on a club,

448
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,679
Speaker 4: you know, And so we built it around that the

449
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 4: personalities that could make us all operate at a high level,

450
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 4: if we could just hang together and and and then

451
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,679
Speaker 4: we might be special, you know.

452
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 1: And it happened, And that's not even mentioned in the

453
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 1: Big Raids and playing him at in the sixth.

454
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 4: And again you know them, you know, a great, great

455
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 4: part of this team. And he might have been an

456
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 4: issue other places. He was here, he was right and

457
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 4: where he should be, you know, and it felt like that.

458
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 4: I felt like guys were where they should be. And

459
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 4: that was the foundation of this, you know, this program.

460
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: I'd say that one of the perfect players stay in body.

461
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 1: That was BB in his time because you you, you

462
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: guys put together a group, but you you weren't always there.

463
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 4: It goes right back to the run. He ran on

464
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 4: the track at SC and he ran terrible. You're like

465
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 4: four to eight or something like that. Then he goes

466
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 4: to Oregon State and kills it as a press corner.

467
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 4: He was great, and they had really good they're coaching

468
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 4: well and they played well.

469
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 2: Totally lost track of him.

470
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 4: And then somewhere in a workout down here here, Brandon Browner,

471
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 4: you mean, the guy from let me see what he

472
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 4: can do, because I had in my mind, this guy

473
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 4: knows how to press and we ran me.

474
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: I think he ran four six three. Holy shit, that's

475
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: fast enough enough, that's fast enough for what he knows.

476
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 4: Maybe I remember saying that after that work this game

477
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 4: maybe one of the real parts of this program because

478
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 4: he had a way about it.

479
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: Well you know the rest of the history, you know.

480
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: Walter Thurm and the third the same thing. Sure, one

481
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 1: of the most unique and gifted corners that I've ever made.

482
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 1: You guys, like I will say when you brought us

483
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: in here, Brandon the first day, maybe the second day,

484
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: because remember that was a lockout year, so we didn't

485
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: have mini camp, no OTAs, no anything. And Brandon was

486
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: sitting at a tape by hisself. He was really you know,

487
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: he's just you know, he's been through a lot. He's

488
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: kind of really protective, like hey, you know what I mean,

489
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 1: Like I don't want nobody around me. I'm protecting, like

490
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to make this team. I'm a killer, and

491
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of a playful guy. So I

492
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: sit with him, I'm like, what's up, Like, you're not

493
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna sit by yourself? When I was here, let's talk,

494
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: And he told me he was like, hey, you long,

495
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm long. They brought us here to put our hands

496
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: on people. So from day one, put your goddamgn hands

497
00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 1: on people every chance you get.

498
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 2: Told you never told me, I didn't know.

499
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

500
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: It's so much about like the players, you guys brought together,

501
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: and I want to I want to share that while

502
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: we're in this interview, but your philosophy. I think the

503
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: thing that made us the great at who we are

504
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: as people made us terrible when when when our hearts

505
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 1: got broken. Yeah, you know what I mean, because because

506
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 1: we're so obsessive.

507
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 4: That that was the coming pain that I had never

508
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 4: experienced that. You know, I'd never lived through a generation

509
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 4: of players, you know what I mean. I'd always bounced

510
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 4: around all over the place, you know, and that that

511
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 4: generation that you were part of was the first time,

512
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 4: i mean year eight or nine, whatever it was, when

513
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 4: we were here and we started that make some decisions.

514
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 4: It was heartbreaking because you know how we feel about you.

515
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 4: But I always said this, because said this when people

516
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 4: would get to this point, if somebody's got to tell

517
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 4: you the really hard news, I'll do it, you know,

518
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 4: I'll do it. And with the thought that I think

519
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 4: if we've true all the way along and the hard

520
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: stuff comes, it's going to come with feeling and meaning,

521
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 4: an emotion and all of that, and eventually we get

522
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 4: back and we'd be okay. But I don't know, I

523
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 4: just wanted. I want to take the hit on them,

524
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 4: you know. I'll take the hit because I hated it.

525
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 4: I don't want to, but but I would take the

526
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 4: hit because I thought maybe we would wind up on

527
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: the other end of it sitting here talking freaking man.

528
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: That's the best way to do it. You're wise, man.

529
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about good things for now. Because you

530
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: had some really great players you coach. You coach Joey Browner,

531
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, and so you coach some really great all pros.

532
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: And in San Francisco, Tim McDonald, you had murder, you

533
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: had who did you have at corner?

534
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 4: Eric Davids that corner and we got from the rams

535
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 4: on the last two were there. But we had some

536
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 4: real sordid guys right right.

537
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: And in New England you had Tye you had you

538
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: had lawyer lawyers playing. Yeah, Clay, you had some really

539
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: great guys, but when you got here, you had some

540
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: some no names which what we were considered, and they

541
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: developed into a really great and formidable defense. Tell me

542
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: about how proud you were of what you you know,

543
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: you and John and and you know, Gus and DQ

544
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: and all you guys. Chris Norton, Yeah, you guys created

545
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: and did you expect it to ever reach that point?

546
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: You know, some people give us credit for being one

547
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: of the best defenses to play the game.

548
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 4: I think the statistics kind of bear it out. A

549
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 4: six year running there that was phenomenal. You know, I

550
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 4: took great pride in it, because when it gets down

551
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 4: to it, I'm not a whole lot different than you are.

552
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 4: I'm not a whole lot different than than you know,

553
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 4: any of our dudes that had that had the real

554
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 4: chip on their shoulder, because I have had that since

555
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: I was a little kid, you know, and so in that,

556
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 4: you know, we we shared the experience together. I really

557
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: don't don't feel like I did it I coached you

558
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: guys to make you that. I don't feel like that

559
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: at all. I feel like we did this together, and

560
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 4: we did something that was really freaking cool, and we

561
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 4: hung in there as long as we could, and then

562
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 4: we had it.

563
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: You know, changes had to come. That's the bad part

564
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: of it. To change it. Why couldn't we just keep.

565
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 4: Playing like that? You know, That's really how I wished

566
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 4: it could have been. But that's just not the reality

567
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: of it. So we had to live with it and

568
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 4: and and try to come back from But anyway, it

569
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: was a source of great pride. I was really proud

570
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 4: of coming from sc because we'd had so much success there.

571
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 4: To just see what would happen in the league. What

572
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 4: happens if you take care of people and you love

573
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 4: them up and you look after them, what would be

574
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 4: the result, you know? And because I was so I

575
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: was so moved by what happened at the USC. I mean,

576
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 4: I'm never forgetting that. I'll never forget what happened over that.

577
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 4: That's as big to me as anything I've ever been

578
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: a part of. But to be able to go somewhere

579
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 4: else and then and dive in in the same fashion,

580
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 4: with the same commitment to it, and then see the

581
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 4: relationships happen, you know, you know our guys, you guys

582
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 4: are still living in town, you know, And it happened.

583
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: And so I take great pride in that.

584
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: And because it's it's become my life you know, I

585
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 4: just poured my life into it and it became something special.

586
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 3: I think you should. I feel like you had more.

587
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: Like you're not giving yourself enough credit, you know, because

588
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: everybody in this day and age wants to say they

589
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: were good because of him, or he was good because

590
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: of them. Like it's sometimes it's perfect symbiosis. Sometimes it's

591
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: somebody unlocking something and a group of men that may

592
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: not have been unlocked by anybody else, and a group

593
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: of men unlocking something in somebody else that may not

594
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: have been locked. Because you coached a stint before and

595
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: you had all pro players. But I think in our

596
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: time here, in our six years, we had as many

597
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: all pros combined as you had in your first stint

598
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: with most of the guys you coached.

599
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all those years together, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

600
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what those numbers are, but it was.

601
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: It was great football. And what I would say about

602
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: your philosophy.

603
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: We bought in in totality, Like when you dive in

604
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: full face into anything, when whenever it shatters, it's going

605
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: to shatter your spirit, you know what I mean. Otherwise

606
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: there's no reason to be bought in. It's like falling

607
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: in love. You know, you fall all the way in love,

608
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: you freaking your heart gets you're all in. And I

609
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: think that's was the best part of our team and

610
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: the worst part about some of us, because we bought

611
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: so far in that it was like, wait, wait, this

612
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: this is ending.

613
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, she never I felt the same way. I felt

614
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: the same way. There was nothing to do about it

615
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: that we just had to just do it, you know.

616
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 4: And so but I maybe take more pride in the

617
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 4: fact that we're back, you know, with all of our

618
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: guys and and and we're connected because it was real.

619
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 4: I mean, the experience was real. Yeah, there was some

620
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: ship we had to go through, but it was real

621
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: because it lasts.

622
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: We outlast. That's what it amounts to.

623
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: You know, tell me about super Bowl because that had

624
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 1: to me. I know you said your time at SC

625
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: is the most special time to you, but that had

626
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: to be something.

627
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: To come back to our community and bring that bring

628
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: that parade as it's Glenna and mine is like our

629
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 4: favorite moment in our life. You know, to have to

630
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 4: pour so much into it and then see it capture

631
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 4: so many people and such a celibratory manner, you know

632
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 4: that that was amazing. But to me, it was getting back,

633
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 4: it was going again, and that's good. That always You

634
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 4: don't know when I went to New England and check

635
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 4: this out. When I went to New England, my first meeting,

636
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: I'm up in front of these guys. They just came

637
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 4: off the Super Bowl parcels, was their dude, and here

638
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 4: comes Pete. I keep thinking, like, you know, they used

639
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 4: to portray me with the surfboard and the glass of

640
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 4: wine and on the pictures and the characters and stuff

641
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 4: like that, and then here's Bill with the pearl handled.

642
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: You know. Anyway, so I asked him.

643
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 4: One of the first questions I asked him, I said,

644
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: how many guys think it was the greatest thing in

645
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: the world to win the Super Bowl?

646
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: Raise your hand?

647
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: And a bunch of guys raise your hands, and I said,

648
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: how many of you think, really the greatest thing is

649
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 4: to come back and win it twice? Raise your hand?

650
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 4: And they didn't know what to do with it with that,

651
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: you know, but that's always been in my mind. I mean,

652
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 4: I don't even know where that came from. I don't

653
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: I don't have any idea where that was generated from.

654
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: But that was to show that you can do it again.

655
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 4: Show that you're real, showed that no matter what happened,

656
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 4: you can still be you to the freaking moment, you know,

657
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: to the moment. And you know, you guys are so

658
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: mad at me and so pissed hurt. I wish, I

659
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: wish I could feel it like the way I should

660
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 4: feel it. But you know, you got to keep that plage.

661
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: Just happened. That play got called just happened. It wasn't

662
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: like by design, It wasn't. There was no foreshadowing, no intent,

663
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: no agenda. That play just happened. And I want to

664
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: just tell you again, you guys didn't you guys couldn't

665
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: hear it for years. But when we got down there,

666
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: I think we had one I remember we had one

667
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: time out, and so as soon as we got there,

668
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: I said, one of these plays, we're going to have

669
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: to throw it to get all four plays, because I'm

670
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: always in make sure that we have a chance to

671
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: get all four shots, you know, regardless of what the first, second,

672
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 4: third play was, Let's make sure that we get all

673
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 4: of our shots. And so we were smart about that.

674
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 4: So that was hurt over the you know, you know,

675
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: so one of these players we have to throw it

676
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 4: and so we run the first play and I think,

677
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 4: I think what happened is Bill said late, he sends

678
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: in the goal line team, you know, and we had

679
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: already said it in eleven, and so we're in eleven

680
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 4: versus goal line, and so that went through the play callers,

681
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: and that's that's what led them to throw it on

682
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 4: that down.

683
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: It had nothing to do with anything else.

684
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: It was just this, maybe if we got to throw

685
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: one of these downs, you know, which we practiced it

686
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: a million times. You know, we're in that situation. We

687
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 4: got to throw one of these downst's pick it out,

688
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: which is the right you know whatever, it'll fall into

689
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: place so that we get all our chances. And so

690
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 4: that's what happened. It wasn't by design, there was no agenda,

691
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: there was none of that. It was just the way

692
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: we had prepared. So I was rock solid on the

693
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 4: philosophy of it. It just it just was the worst

694
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: play that could ever happen, you know, And it's just,

695
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 4: you know, and the guy makes a life a play

696
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: of a career for everybody's career, really, and then it

697
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 4: turned all of that so dark so instantly. So then

698
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: we we we're gonna you know, and if you remember,

699
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: my moment was I've been down and think, oh shit,

700
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 4: I gotta take this, you know, And so I'm this

701
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: is I thought, this is the one of those moments

702
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: that you prepare for. You got to be the epitome

703
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 4: of poise, handle it, deal with it, and own it,

704
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 4: because there's nothing you can say that it's gonna put

705
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: it any other place. It was just as catastrophic as

706
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 4: any moment could be. And so the locker email all

707
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 4: other stuff. But the thing was, and Doug said this

708
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: to me not too long ago, had we won that game,

709
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: we don't want we don't want again, because we got

710
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: back anyway, we went back to the playoffs anyway again.

711
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: After with all the all the stuff that was in

712
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: everybody's brain and heart and all that, it was incredible.

713
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: It was who was a great team. We were a

714
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: great team.

715
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: It just hurt.

716
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: It was more hurt than anger, and anger comes out

717
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: as hurt. You hurt comes out of anger sometimes. And

718
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: because it just felt like Sean was like, you know,

719
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, I.

720
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: Totally agree with you, and I did the whole time.

721
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: It just it's just what happened, you know.

722
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: So the philosophy, the philosophy and what you thought, and

723
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: that's that you're totally right and that under those circumstances.

724
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: But I would say this, in that time, you almost

725
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: had a greater effect on the National Football League than

726
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: than than any other coach, I mean even Belichick, because

727
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: it was a contrast and styles. You were doing it

728
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: your way. You were doing it a much more optimistic way.

729
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: You're coaching and optimistic, and football is not an OPTI

730
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: missed the game. You know, you get in practice, you're

731
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: gonna get mf's. You're like, do it right, like you're not.

732
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: And you wouldn't allow coaches to coach that way. You

733
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: always have to have a positive outlook. You have to

734
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: finish you with positivity. You have to encourage them and

735
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: be encouraging even in mistakes. And that was just a

736
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: whole different way of being coached. And you know some

737
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: people would, you know, back in the day, it'd be like, man,

738
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: that's crazy, they're being soft. But it worked so well

739
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: that I think other teams started to adapt it, and

740
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: they started to freaking draft corners that are super long

741
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: and super tall and din't always work out, and they

742
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: start making running three running the coverage even though we

743
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: ran it a little different than everybody else. And I

744
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: even saw it in Ghost Gus's coaching style and d

745
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: q's coaching style and even Solah to this day when

746
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: when I went to San Francisco, and it's still part

747
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: of them, a lot of the foundational pieces. You've had

748
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: such an influence on all these guys are. How proud

749
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: are you of that?

750
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: Well?

751
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: You know, I don't spend much time on that. I mean,

752
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: I love my guys and that we worked with, and

753
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: we'll be just like we are. I am with those

754
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 4: guys too that we worked with, and that's just kind

755
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 4: of how it's been.

756
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I did.

757
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: It's just ball and so it's times changed and things

758
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: adapt and they adjust, know, but there's still there's a

759
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: heartline that goes through our guys that that we all.

760
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 4: I mean, when I talked to d Q, I talked

761
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: to us, It's just like they just walked down the hall.

762
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: I mean, we were so.

763
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: Connected and uh so, you know, I mean, I'm proud

764
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 4: of it and all that, but I don't I don't

765
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 4: take much credit for that.

766
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: Did the All Decade Team? I know awards don't mean

767
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: anything to you, but did that mean to you. You were,

768
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: you were one of the best coaches in this decade

769
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: when you came back.

770
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the word you're talking about.

771
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: Well, you got the All Decade Team. It's the ap Uh.

772
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: They do an All Decade Team every year or every

773
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: decade school.

774
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: I like that.

775
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: And you were, you were one of the coaches. You

776
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: and you and Beale. They've done it for every decade before.

777
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

778
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: And it's always been a Hall of Fame coach and

779
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: you were the one for You were one of the

780
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: ones for this decade. And I thought you were one

781
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: of the best coaches of this decade. So I think

782
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: we had five guys on it, Me, Bobby, You, Earl

783
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: and Marshawn.

784
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: That's a good group.

785
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: Yah.

786
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a proud group.

787
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a good group of God. But when

788
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: does it end for you?

789
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

790
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 4: Look how much fun I'm at, I'm not being the

791
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: time of my life right now. This team where we're

792
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 4: building right now is as fun as any any team

793
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 4: we've ever had. Different, unique to themselves. We're gonna find it.

794
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: We haven't found it yet. We're gonna find it, I

795
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 4: think because everybody's in everybody's all in, they're listening, we're

796
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: tuned in, we're having a blast. I mean, practice yesterday

797
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 4: was just another celebration of stuff, you know, And so

798
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know why I don't. I don't

799
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: even I don't even know what to measure it against.

800
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: Just keep rolling, you know, John hanging with me and

801
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: keep putting up with my crap, and you know, and

802
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: they'll just, you know, we'll just keep going. But right now,

803
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: I don't even care about that thought, you know, like

804
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: how long or whatever.

805
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled by the thought.

806
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: That this is your thirteen or twelve or fourteen, whatever

807
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: the heck it is, that we've been there, because to me,

808
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 4: it's never been about winning the one time. I mean, like,

809
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: give you the illustration of the super is how long

810
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 4: can you keep winning? How long can you keep going?

811
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: How long can you can you stay? Because I've always

812
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: I used to say, when they'd asked me, said, I

813
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 4: can't tell you how we're doing.

814
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: Now.

815
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: I'll look back a few years now, and I'll let

816
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: you know, you know, because I want to look back.

817
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: And see what we were able to do.

818
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 4: It goes all the way back to my first game

819
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 4: I was ever a head coach and We're playing in

820
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: Buffalo and the game's over and I'm going out to

821
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: kind of gloat. We've won the first game, you know,

822
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: and I'm going out to kind of gloat and hang out,

823
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: you know, the stadium, all the stuff.

824
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: And I look back on the wall.

825
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: They had all their division championships, like you know, a

826
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 4: ton of them in Arona.

827
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: That's winning.

828
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 3: Yep.

829
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: That's when That's where win forever thought came from. That

830
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 4: was that was where that that moment was, where that

831
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: thought came from. That that's the real deal and not

832
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: just once you know, you show something and then you're

833
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: out of here.

834
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: That's why the pride that I took.

835
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: In personal pride about getting back to the super Bowl

836
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: was such a big deal because how many teams don't

837
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 4: you don't see you hear from again, you know. So

838
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: that's I don't know, it's wherever that two year question

839
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 4: I had, you know, a two time questions, I don't

840
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: even know what.

841
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: Because this group is such a unique group. I think

842
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: this is the best most talented group you guys had

843
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: in a long time. But you know, when you've done

844
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: something special and you you were a part of such

845
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: a special group early on, you kind of it's hard

846
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: for the players to get out of the shadow of it,

847
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, and it's unfortunate just times we live in.

848
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: You know, I don't even want you to hate.

849
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: I don't even want you to you know. That's why

850
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 4: we've got guys all over the place. Doug's been here

851
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: with kJ cam. You know, guys keep coming back. I

852
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: lov whing you guys around. You know, it's not like

853
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: and I don't think of it that's yesteryear. I think

854
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 4: if it's it's an illustration of what you could become.

855
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 4: It's motivation, inspiration for these guys to know that the

856
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: connection was real and it stays on and the lasts

857
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: and they could be part of that too, if they

858
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 4: got to do everything they can to be part of them.

859
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: You know, that's been you know, people look at it rich,

860
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 4: you know, like it's optimistic and they're having fun and

861
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 4: all that.

862
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: They don't get it. Nobody get and I don't.

863
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 4: I feel we've been misunderstood for a long time long

864
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: I don't really care about them ever understanding it, but

865
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: they don't get it. You know, this is about hard ass,

866
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 4: hardball kick ass football. And if you ain't that way,

867
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: if you did, that doesn't if it doesn't mean something

868
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: to you and that deep, deep sense in your heart,

869
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: then this isn't the right place for you. But yeah,

870
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: we're going to have a good time doing it though

871
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: we know how to do that. But if it doesn't

872
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: have that that connection that's what I'm trying to generate

873
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: in this group right now, then we're not doing it.

874
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: Do you know?

875
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 4: The other day kJ said, and I'm I'm interviewing you now,

876
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 4: kJ was told that, uh that I made a comment

877
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: about why we show highlights. Did you hear that? Why

878
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: we show highlights every day in the meetings? And I

879
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 4: was telling, uh, Brock and Soft why you know? I said, well,

880
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: it's I'm trying to show the players who are who

881
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 4: their teammates are, and I want I want them to

882
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 4: learn to know who they are.

883
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: And they told that the KJKJ no way, that's not

884
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: why he was doing it, you know, like he didn't

885
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: get it. I thought that was the funniest thing.

886
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: The craziest thing. I always thought that was exactly.

887
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: That is exactly because I never told you guys that.

888
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: But that's why we do it, you know, because we're

889
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: trying to learn who we are. That's where we are

890
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 4: right now. We're learning who we are and we're trying

891
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 4: to figure out what does that mean, what is that

892
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 4: gonna stand for right and what will be the standards

893
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: of how we live up to that.

894
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: You know, you used to What I used to remember

895
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: about those highlights is you knew exactly the kind of

896
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: team we had. You knew exactly what to expect on

897
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: game day from every player because you sit there and

898
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: watch it every single day. So when it happened in

899
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: the game, it's like, hey, Sharon called a Faine, Like, well,

900
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: Sharam Ketch's pa and Doug made a big play. Doug

901
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: made somebody fall, Marshaun ran somebody over stiff Farm, somebody

902
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: Earl is all over the place, like Cam's running through.

903
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 3: People like you expect the stuff.

904
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: Bobby's making great plays, kJ is carrying a special and

905
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: making huge plays on receivers like you see it every day.

906
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: You see the consistency of the work. And that's what

907
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: I always appreciate it because it gave you an immense appreciation.

908
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's all Gus is having a genuine appreciation.

909
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: But in that rich understand that what that is is

910
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: getting to know yourself individually but also as a team.

911
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 4: When you know who you are, then you and you're

912
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: you're true to it and you own it. That's when

913
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 4: you can hold your shit together. No matter what's going

914
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 4: on around you. You can still be you. And that's

915
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: how we can sustain and how we can come back

916
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: faster and not lose four games in a row. Whatever

917
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: you know, we keep coming back to us. That's tell

918
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: truth Monday and then competing on Wednesday. We had to

919
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 4: get back to us and forget what just happened and

920
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 4: what's what's behind us. That authenticity is what gives you

921
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 4: a chance to really bring about your best. Everybody knows,

922
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: we trust, we understand what's expected of you, what's expected

923
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 4: of him that gives you the best, may I think

924
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: the best makeup for sustaining excellence.

925
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: And so this is sorry, this is a random thing,

926
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: but it's something I don't think you've ever noticed that

927
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: your thought about because it's just our specific group. So

928
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: I think about it because it's where the Legion of

929
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: Boom died and where you know, it's where I say it.

930
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: But Arizona Stadium is a house of whores. So in

931
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: Arizona Stadium. We lost the Super Bowl. I tore my achilles.

932
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: That was my last game as a Seahawk. Cam hurt

933
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: his neck. That was his last game as a Seahawk.

934
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: Earl broke his leg.

935
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 4: This the only topic I don't want to I don't

936
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: want to expound upon me.

937
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: You may when cut this out. It's the truth, that's

938
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: the truth. It hurt, and then we got tie in overtime.

939
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: You got to be kidding me.

940
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: Place.

941
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but I don't know what was wrong with

942
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: that stadium. But my goodness, I hate I.

943
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: Think we won.

944
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 3: Yeah we did, We won a lot.

945
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: We just those games, just the stuff that happened afterwards

946
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: was just I don't get it dramatic. But I appreciate

947
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: you taking time. Probably won't bother you again about this stuff.

948
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, I tried to make it, not make it

949
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: too controversial, But I appreciate your time in coaching and

950
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: believing and drafting a lanky kid out of Stanford and

951
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: believing he had a chance and not not replacing me

952
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: after my first start. That was a really big deal

953
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: for me. I don't know why you believed in me.

954
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: I always wanted to ask you that what made you

955
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: keep starting me?

956
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: Remember the collection of things that happened. But all of

957
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 4: a sudden, I'm looking at we were banged up and hurt,

958
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 4: and so I pull out all of your one on ones.

959
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: I said, put together, all was one on one. I go,

960
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 4: this is your first camp. And I'm looking at the

961
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 4: Oh geez, man, you know you were struggling, you know you,

962
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: but let's go with them. Anyway, let's go with it.

963
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: I don't care.

964
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 4: I know, I did my homework and I was going

965
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: to try to justify that why I was going to

966
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: start you, you know, and I looked at it.

967
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 2: Oh shit, and and and then it just connected.

968
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 4: It just connected to get you on the field and

969
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: the other guy on the other side and the way

970
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 4: we go. And I believed in you. You know, you

971
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: were the best third round pick that got picked in

972
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: the fifth round that we ever made, you know, And

973
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 4: and but it was your You were just the right

974
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 4: kind of makeup for me to represent me in a sense,

975
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 4: you know. And so I went with it and just

976
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: believed in it and thought it.

977
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: Was going to work out.

978
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 4: And just you know, I had coached You don't know this,

979
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: but you probably don't remember Perry Williams was the first

980
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: long guy that ever coached. That was all the way

981
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: back at n C State, Harry Williams became a He

982
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: played corner for the Giants for years. He was the stiffest,

983
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 4: couldn't catch nothing, but he could run like the wind.

984
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: And he was six or two something with he was

985
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: like you, you know, and it all started way back then.

986
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: So I've always had that image of it, if I

987
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 4: can get my guys, you know, don't have to be

988
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: that way, but that's that's the images that you were

989
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 4: just right in the in the mold of it.

990
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: So I want to make it, to see if we

991
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: can make it.

992
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: I felt like I lived by your philosophy and something

993
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: you said in an interview a while ago. You always

994
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: felt like something good was just about to happen. And

995
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: I felt like our years, just about every time something

996
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: good ended up happening.

997
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: It was just around the corner was coming. It was coming.

998
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: You were. You were exactly the illustration of that.

999
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 4: Sure, it's been a it's been a great run, you know,

1000
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 4: and we've had so much fun and there's more and

1001
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: more to do for all of us.

1002
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: But I'm so proud of you, man.

1003
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, you know, background coming from overcoming Stanford No,

1004
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: you know, draft, No, it didn't work out quite the

1005
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 4: way you wanted to. But from all the stuff we

1006
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 4: didn't us, all the things that you you worked your

1007
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 4: way through in your career that made you who you are,

1008
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 4: and sitting right in here in this office and talking

1009
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 4: through it, always the ability to get back to balance

1010
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: was what was so I thought so extraordinary about you.

1011
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: And people didn't understand you. You know, neither one of

1012
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 4: us has been very well understood, you know, So that's okay,

1013
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: you know, as long as we have our places to

1014
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: go and people to hang with.

1015
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: But it's just been it's been a great joy. And

1016
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm so fired up that you're doing good. You cool stuff.

1017
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: Won't mean as much, but I am proud of you too.

1018
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you continuing to persevere, continuing to build

1019
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: young man and join the process. And you keep and investing,

1020
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: and like Geno, Geno is a perfect example right now,

1021
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: like a example that is getting belief. Getting a guy

1022
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: he's getting return on your investment because you appreciate him.

1023
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: You showed him that, hey, you can do this at

1024
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: a high level. And I think you can, and he's

1025
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: showing you he could, and I'm just it brought tears

1026
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: to my eyes when I saw it happen.

1027
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: Thing the whole year.

1028
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: That's why I was freaking hyping him up every chance

1029
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: we got to talk about him on TV because I

1030
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: understood the philosophy. I understand what you stand for and

1031
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: what he's experienced, and it was just so cool to.

1032
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 4: See it's a real deal as long as he remembers

1033
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: it's all about the balls.

1034
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you very much. I appreciate you.

1035
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: The volume