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Speaker 1: On today's episode, the twenty nine Most Fascinating Things about

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Speaker 1: this upcoming ACC season, Let's preview. Welcome to the solid

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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woo woom? And then and Tie,

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Speaker 1: is Tie Hildebrandt. I am joined as always, but the beautiful,

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Speaker 1: the forty year old have to get it in there. Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm great.

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Speaker 2: It's been years upon years upon years of you being

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Speaker 2: about the ACC here, today, are we not? We are

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Speaker 2: number countless fantasy fantasy fascinating? Is that the word fascinating

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Speaker 2: to think about about all of these teams in the ACC.

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Speaker 2: You've been battling some throat issues I have. Yeah, you've

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Speaker 2: been battling some like a coughing tickle And during our

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Speaker 2: out when you had to like compose yourself because you

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Speaker 2: figure out if that happens today, what will make you

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Speaker 2: it's about the ACC today.

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Speaker 1: That's a little behind the scenes content, man. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: the show. We've got another big ten preview to do

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Speaker 2: Unless people are scared of competition tie. Well, look, is

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Speaker 2: that what you're saying that perhaps if you're not signing up,

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Speaker 2: where your mouth is. That you can say, oh, back

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Speaker 2: in August, I told you Tennessee, but you didn't compete,

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Speaker 1: dot Com agree, Daniel. We are doing a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a different slant on our previews this year. Goodness,

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Speaker 1: how interesting? What is that from? Is that Royal tenenbombs?

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Speaker 1: Royal tenenbombs? Of course that's Bill Murray's voice. How interesting?

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Speaker 1: How bizarre? Yes, what we're doing is we're counting the

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Speaker 1: fascinating things that a conference has offer us as college

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Speaker 1: the Pac twelve episode we had twenty three fascinating things.

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Speaker 1: What is the I guess, top level main point of

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Speaker 2: There's obvious reason for upside. Obviously my my truff will

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Speaker 2: There's like an element of foreign bodies entering the system

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Speaker 1: You found upside with Virginia. I did not study Virginia

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Speaker 2: OK, I know we'll get to ty. There's only one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think where I came down on things was

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Speaker 2: Almost well, it's vintage ACC in that regard, right, But Clemson,

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Speaker 2: There's going to be a team that I personally on

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Speaker 2: underneath my passport? Fascinating ty? Are you familiar with the

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Speaker 2: concept of marital swinging, and if so, tell me to

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Speaker 2: what degree I've read about it. It is in various

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Speaker 2: There is a good amount of transfer and job swinging interconference.

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Speaker 2: Right with Philgerkovic and Frank Signetti moving from Boston College

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Speaker 2: to pitt there's a big transfer. I think a defensive

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Speaker 2: is a good amount of interconference cozying, let's call it that.

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Speaker 2: I think North Carolina and Louisville. Is that true, Storm Duck.

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Speaker 2: of interconference cozing that I know. You're much more familiar

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Speaker 1: Point of fascination. I do need to play this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the ACC is divisionless this year. Fourteen teams, one conference

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Speaker 1: to rule them all. We're not doing divisions anymore, right,

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Speaker 1: They are trend jacking here in a sense and hopping

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Speaker 1: gets rid of their divisions, so it will be the

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Speaker 1: We are no longer moored to the divisional structure of

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Speaker 2: I like that, a free form, free swing in life

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Speaker 2: And you know, we're singing in the Pac twelve. We're

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Speaker 2: and the Big Ten soon, obviously the Big twelve and well,

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve had the round robin format before when

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Speaker 2: it was just ten teams. But PAC twelve, so I'm

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Speaker 2: great with it.

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Speaker 1: Ty love it. You had Florida State and Clemson the

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Speaker 1: two presumed top dogs in the A SEC. Which of

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Speaker 1: those two teams is more fascinating to you? Now? Who's

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Speaker 2: Florida State for sure? Florida State, Why all right? I

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Speaker 1: Okay, well what about Clemson. Then let's stick with the

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Speaker 1: And in Clemson's heyday, and I don't say heyday as

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Speaker 2: It's also Dabo's position group historically right that he came

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember Magnitude. He had a.

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Speaker 2: Not where they were under the best of Brent Venables,

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Speaker 2: not where they were when they had four or five six,

432
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Speaker 2: you know, first round ish talent on the defensive line.

433
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Speaker 2: But that can be overcome with big plays on offense,

434
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Speaker 2: and for the good of entertaining TV, I hope it

435
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Speaker 2: happens for Clemson at receiver and guys step up, Younger

436
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: guys step up, because it still seems to be sorely needed.

437
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 2: That Clemson doesn't have an obvious Quinton Johnston like TCU had,

438
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Speaker 2: or even Tay Barber, who is terrific last year for TCU.

439
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Speaker 2: They'll be creative, but the name that emerges I still

440
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Speaker 2: think is TBD.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, part of I think DJU struggles at Clemson.

442
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Speaker 1: Some of the inconsistency came from the fact that receivers

443
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Speaker 1: didn't get open, either didn't get open or the fifty

444
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Speaker 1: to fifty jump balls that Clemson had grown really accustomed

445
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Speaker 1: to throwing under Trevor Lawrence. And you know, when they

446
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: were maybe a little bit more successful, that play was

447
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: not there. They didn't have the guys who could go

448
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: up and win those types of balls, and it came

449
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: back to bite them. Now. Maybe they'll find it this year.

450
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, perhaps the Garrett Riley system will

451
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Speaker 1: unlock some matchup potential that that gives that it gives

452
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Speaker 1: him that arrow back in the quiver. I don't know,

453
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Speaker 1: but I know it can't all be on. Will don't

454
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Speaker 1: call me Bill Shipley. I like Bill Shipley. We're gonna

455
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Speaker 1: go Bill this year. I like him. I think he

456
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Speaker 1: is crazy bright, I think he is Probably you know,

457
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Speaker 1: outside of your boy Tray Benson, the best running back

458
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Speaker 1: in the conference, not really much of a question in

459
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Speaker 1: my mind. He can only do so much. So whoever

460
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Speaker 1: that target is out wide, he's going to have to

461
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Speaker 1: step forward and announce himself relatively early on so that

462
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Speaker 1: Kate Klubnick has that target and so that Clemson can

463
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Speaker 1: maybe be a little bit more vertical in the passing game.

464
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Speaker 1: That would be nice. The other thing that I would

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Speaker 1: add about Clemson, Dan is you mentioned the defense. I

466
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Speaker 1: think you're right to point out that the defense is

467
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Speaker 1: going to be very, very solid. I think is a

468
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Speaker 1: pretty tough schedule this year. I was gonna say the

469
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Speaker 1: back half especially, it is. Yeah, it is. It is

470
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Speaker 1: pretty tough. We already talked about the Week four game

471
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Speaker 1: against Florida State. They've that one at home, which is

472
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Speaker 1: a nice, nice spot for Clemson, but there is at

473
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Speaker 1: least one tough game each month with a marquee opponent.

474
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Speaker 1: They've got Florida State in September, They've got Notre Dame

475
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Speaker 1: as you get into I guess October, and then North

476
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Speaker 1: Carolina later in the year. All those games are at home,

477
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Speaker 1: which is nice for Clemson, but at South Carolina to

478
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Speaker 1: close out the year. That'll be a tester or revenge

479
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Speaker 1: spot for Clemson after losing last year. There's also a

480
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Speaker 1: few traps on here, right, I look at Syracuse on

481
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Speaker 1: the road a week after Florida State. Who knows what

482
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Speaker 1: frame of mind Clemson will be in after that game,

483
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Speaker 1: But well, dabol and Syracuse have some baggage together, and

484
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Speaker 1: they got some baggage. Yeah, And that's my point. So

485
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Speaker 1: I don't know, there's there's a lot here with Clemson.

486
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Speaker 1: I would be inclined to say that Clemson is more fascinating,

487
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Speaker 1: though I think Florida State is better because there are

488
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Speaker 1: just more storylines to me, more things influx on the

489
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Speaker 1: Clemson side, if I'm being honest from my chair. But

490
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Speaker 1: both teams, for sure, I think have earned their right

491
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Speaker 1: as the top two, at least perceived top two in

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Speaker 1: the conference.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it's it's at Miami at en C

494
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Speaker 2: State and Notre Dame consecutively on this schedule, correct, Yeah, right,

495
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Speaker 2: and then it's North Carolina week before South Carolina to

496
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Speaker 2: whom they lost last year.

497
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Speaker 1: Correct, that's right.

498
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's if Clemson has patched up the holes, it

499
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Speaker 2: will it'll show itself to be pretty impressive back half

500
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Speaker 2: of the year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I would not at all put it

502
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Speaker 1: past Dabbo and this offense and especially this defense to

503
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Speaker 1: just rip through this schedule. I could totally see a

504
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Speaker 1: world in which that happens. I don't know if I'd

505
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Speaker 1: want to touch the over ten if indeed it is

506
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Speaker 1: ten in our grand total game. We only did have games,

507
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Speaker 1: so it's going to be one or the other. You

508
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Speaker 1: don't have that option for a push. But in the

509
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Speaker 1: real world here ten I probably wouldn't touch. There's just

510
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: not enough wiggle room there. Okay, but quarterback and defense

511
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Speaker 1: in a good spot. That's my rubric. Yeah, where should

512
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Speaker 1: we go next? Wow? Man?

513
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Speaker 2: Okay, so I did both of those teams. So let's

514
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Speaker 2: go to Let's go to another perceived power tie. Let's

515
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Speaker 2: go to Miami.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, the Kinges.

517
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Miami, just because in terms of fascination

518
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: fascinating things, you have a lot to choose from here. Okay,

519
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: I've put up you quite the buffet of fascination I do.

520
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: Where are you going with the Canes?

521
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Speaker 1: The Canes five and seven last year? Yeah, so you

522
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Speaker 1: say perceived power not from last season. We're talking back

523
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Speaker 1: like turn of the century, right, that's that was the

524
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Speaker 1: last time Miami was an actual power. Yeah, they're over

525
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Speaker 1: under is seven and a half this year. So Vegas

526
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Speaker 1: I think, is a little bit unsure of what to

527
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Speaker 1: what to make of Miami, especially after last year. Definitely

528
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: expected more from the defense a year ago and ended

529
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: up giving up a ton of big plays. Couldn't create

530
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Speaker 1: big plays on offense, but ended up giving a ton

531
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Speaker 1: of giving up a ton of big plays. Miami will

532
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: especially remember that Middle Tennessee game. They gave up four

533
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: plays of at least seventy yards. They were weirdly symmetrical

534
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Speaker 1: with the big play thing, which I you know, no

535
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Speaker 1: one's really fully explained in any of the preview content

536
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: I looked at. But the passing game really was lacking.

537
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: Tyler Van Dyke, whom we really liked before the season,

538
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: big let down there. He's hurt as well, So just

539
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: a lot I think bottomed out for the Canes last season.

540
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Speaker 1: My fast fascination or should I say hesitation uh oh

541
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Speaker 1: this year with Miami is with the phrase quote they're

542
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: too talented. M Okay, did you read anybody talking about

543
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: Miami saying they're too talented to go five and seven again, Right,

544
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: you read any of that because I did too talented.

545
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Speaker 1: Miami is too talented to fail the way they did

546
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. And I understand where people come

547
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Speaker 1: from there, because they got to be better. They brought

548
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Speaker 1: in more talent. One would assume they got to be

549
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: better because they're more talented, and now they've got the

550
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: right coordinators in place. That's another trope with Miami. Now

551
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: the right guys. Mario has got the right guys in place. Right.

552
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with that logic. I'm just not

553
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Speaker 1: willing to assume it is fact. Dan, Okay, if we

554
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Speaker 1: would have assumed it last year, we would have been

555
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: horribly wrong. Bill Connolly said it was the worst team

556
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Speaker 1: Miami field since nineteen seventy. So I think this team

557
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: is better. I think not confident, but I think this

558
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: team's better because of the talent, because it's been built

559
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: in a very Mario crystal ball way from the lines

560
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: on out, kind of the crystal ball special. I think

561
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: both lines will be special, or at least more special

562
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: than we saw last season, and that's a good thing.

563
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: On the offensive side, they bring over Shannon Dawson from Houston.

564
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Speaker 1: He saw the same numbers that we did, and when

565
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: they asked him about he says that they've got to

566
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Speaker 1: throw the ball down feel a little bit more, and

567
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: they've got to generate pop pop pop. Maybe he's looking

568
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Speaker 1: at the same spreadsheet I'm looking at. I don't know,

569
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Speaker 1: But what we know about Shannon Dawson is that his

570
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Speaker 1: offenses are pretty good at pumping out thousand yard receivers.

571
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Speaker 1: So if he can continue that trend, that would be

572
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: good news for Tyler van Dyke, that'd be good news

573
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Speaker 1: for the receiving corps. I'm not blown away by the

574
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Speaker 1: receiving corp if I'm being honest, but it's easily top

575
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Speaker 1: half of the conference, and frankly, that's good enough to

576
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Speaker 1: hit the over seven and a half. So in theory,

577
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: somebody like a Colby Young will pop Xavier Rostreppo out

578
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Speaker 1: of the slot he can eat. You know, if this

579
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Speaker 1: offense that Shannon Dawson is bringing the Coral Gables can

580
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Speaker 1: can kind of follow the trend, then presumably presumably the

581
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Speaker 1: offense is going to be a lot better. Now we

582
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Speaker 1: said that last year Josh Gaddis, didn't he win the

583
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Speaker 1: Broyles Award. We thought he was going to be for Miami.

584
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Speaker 1: He didn't. Not for Miami, he did, and he's gone.

585
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: He's up at Maryland now. So offensively, I think is

586
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Speaker 1: really my main point of intrigue. However, defense is often

587
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Speaker 1: overlooked in the Miami conversation in the preseason. Here now

588
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Speaker 1: they did go out and get a different defensive coordinator,

589
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Speaker 1: if only because Kevin Steele went to Alabama. Kevin Steele,

590
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Speaker 1: in his own right, it's pttyc coomplished. He's been around

591
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Speaker 1: a long time. Everybody seems to have a hot take

592
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: about Kevin Steele, but he wouldn't be at Alabama if

593
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: Nick Saban didn't at least think that the guy knows

594
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Speaker 1: what he's doing. So I'm a little hesitant to just

595
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Speaker 1: pin it all on the coordinator. Ah, they have the

596
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: wrong guy, and now they got their guy in there

597
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: with Lance Gidrey. I'm not willing to jump to that conclusion,

598
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: but they did poach Lance Gidrie from Tulane days after

599
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Speaker 1: he was poached from Marshall. In theory, the defense should

600
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: be pretty solid. They've got three guys back up front,

601
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Speaker 1: They've got three of their top four linebackers. They've got

602
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: James Williams and James Williams and Cameron Kitchens back at safety.

603
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: Also a bunch of transfers, a bunch of high school

604
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: recruits in I think the guys that can all step

605
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: in and make an impact. The Lance Gidriy off or

606
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: defense excuse me, at least as we know it at Marshall,

607
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: was very very solid. It was a statistical machine, and

608
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: it will look very similar in that they're going to

609
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Speaker 1: stick with the four to two five base. Maybe we

610
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: run a little four to three, but by and large

611
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Speaker 1: it's going to be the same base set that Kevin

612
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Steele ran a year ago. Lance Gidrey's job will be

613
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: trying to get more out of that. So what is

614
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Speaker 1: my point of fascination with Miami. My point of fascination

615
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Speaker 1: with Miami is the too talented to fail thing. It is.

616
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Speaker 1: They've now got new coordinators in there, They've now got

617
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: more talent in there, both of which to some extent

618
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: felt true last year and they bottomed out. So is

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Speaker 1: it a new and improved two point zero version of

620
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Speaker 1: it this year or are we entering into a situation

621
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Speaker 1: where we're going to be disappointed again? If you go

622
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: through the schedule and try to pick out the most

623
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: likely losses, you're going to get to three or four

624
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: and that's it. But the danger with Miami, as it

625
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: is with some of the other teams that I think

626
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: we talked about right Florida State. I made this point.

627
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Speaker 1: What you realize about the state of the Miami program

628
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: is that it's not losing to the top teams. It's

629
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Speaker 1: losing to the not so obvious teams. That is what

630
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: will ultimately fell them if indeed it goes the way

631
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Speaker 1: of last season. So I kind of like the over Miami.

632
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Speaker 1: I'm buying the Canes right now. If you look at DraftKings,

633
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: you can get plus odds on over seven and a half.

634
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: And given the fact that there really truly are only

635
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Speaker 1: three teams in my opinion, on the schedule that are

636
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: more talented than the Canes in Texas A and m

637
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: Clemson in Florida State, I think they stand pretty good

638
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: shot of hitting that over. I don't think this is

639
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: a seven and five team. I think eight and four

640
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: is about right, maybe nine and three if things really

641
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: break their way. I don't think it's a talent problem anymore.

642
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical it was a coordinator problem last year.

643
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: But this is it was pretty clearly a coordinator problem

644
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: last year, along with along with an injury problem, along

645
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: with a talent problem. You know, it was like seven

646
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 2: and a half problem.

647
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, That's exactly right. So I'm hesitant to

648
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: say it was just a coordinator problem. And I feel

649
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: like a lot of the narrative that I've read here

650
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: in the preseason has been just that and that now

651
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: they've got their guys and coaching, and they've got their

652
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: guys on the roster, on the two deep, they're loaded.

653
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: They've brought more of the Mario guys in. They're going

654
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: to be just fine. I'm not willing to assume that

655
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: it is fact quite yet, but certainly they need to

656
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: get healthier. Certainly, if they've got, you know, they're ones

657
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: out there from start to finish, they'll be in a

658
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: better place. So I'm heavy on Miami over and I

659
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: didn't think I would be. I came into this very

660
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: skeptical of the Kings in twenty twenty three. I came

661
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: out of this liking them more than I expected. I'm

662
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 1: not entirely or why, but it's their for him. Look,

663
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: it's their for him. Could they beat Texas A and

664
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: M Week two? I think A and M's got more talent.

665
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: But the games at home in Coral Gables, Yeah, games

666
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: close last year. We still don't know what the hell

667
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: the A and M offense is going to look like.

668
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: That's a winnable game. That could be one of those

669
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: where Miami sneaks under the radar. I don't know. We'll see.

670
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: If Miami wins fewer than eight games, it's a failed season. Yes,

671
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: I've seen Tyler van Dyke when healthy play college football.

672
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: I've seen coleby Ung play college football. I know what

673
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 2: is coming in along this offensive line and what returns

674
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: on this offensive line. At the very least, they should

675
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: be okay. They should be okay. They were not last year.

676
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: They should be okay. They should be able to run

677
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: the ball. They should be a relative strength of the offense.

678
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: Like you mentioned on defense, if they're limiting big plays,

679
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: which they should be doing. They're deeper than they were

680
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: last year, and hypothetically they should be better coached. With

681
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: a better fit at coordinator, we'll see. The culture should

682
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: be better than where it was last year. After reports

683
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: of not great behind the scene situation.

684
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: That's right, Fewer.

685
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 2: Than eight I think is you look at the schedule

686
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: and there are what they have, Florida State and NC

687
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: State and consecutive weeks on the road. Yeah, but otherwise

688
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: it's balanced out pretty well.

689
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, and it it seems like it's

690
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: there for them. You mentioned the offensive line. Miami's got

691
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: top tier in terms of the acc offensive line of.

692
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: The absolute best offensive lineman coming in.

693
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's I think it's Florida State, it's Clemson.

694
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 1: I Duke has a really good offensive line. I would

695
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: almost be inclined to put them above Miami, But beyond that,

696
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: it's Miami. They're really good along the offensive line, and

697
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: I think that should bode pretty well for hopefully keeping

698
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: Tyler van Dyke upright and healthy and maybe unlocking that

699
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: ground game a little bit more.

700
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they don't win eight games this year, I

701
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: don't know what the conversation is around Miami and Mario

702
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: Christaball he is a long contract. I don't know what

703
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: you do with this team if they don't win.

704
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: All right, where do you want to go next?

705
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: Okay, we've gone two pretty clear powers we've done a

706
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: perceived power that has the opportunity to improve dramatically.

707
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: Let's go Pit, Pit, why not? Why not?

708
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: Let's give a nod to Pitt, who's always it always

709
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: seems to be pretty good, if not really good.

710
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: I jotted down, excuse me that Nard Dog's greatest trick

711
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: is convincing idiots like us that he doesn't have the horses. Yeah,

712
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: a little old pit, a little long winded, right. Yeah,

713
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: So Pit's in a new cycle right now because they're

714
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: leading passer rusher, receiver, star pass rushers, and both starting

715
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: safeties are all leaving the squad. That's from Bill Connolly.

716
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: More specifically, they lose for defensive linemen, they lose their

717
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: leading tackler at linebacker and to all conference defensive backs.

718
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: So that's a problem for Pitt because it's no secret

719
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: that the bedrock for this team is the aggressive, attacking

720
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: style defense that I'd love to make fun of, but

721
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: it's really been really been solid for Pitt, especially along

722
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: the defensive line. The defense over the last four years

723
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: has been lights out. I think, to the point where

724
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: it feels like Nardoozi's got a formula down right, and

725
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: it's not something we worry about Frankly year and in

726
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: year out. We just kind of assume Pitt's going to

727
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: have the defense, and if they have a ball or

728
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: offense like they did when Kenny Pickett was there, then

729
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: maybe they'll win the conference go to a big bowl game.

730
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: If not, then what's the four seven to eight maybe

731
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: nine wins? They were nine and four after the bowl

732
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: win last season. Last season, the offense was pretty much

733
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: entirely dependent on the running game in Izziabana Kondo, who's

734
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: not there, yeah anymore. He was so fun, is so

735
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: much fun. They did not get what they hope to

736
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: get out of Keton Slovas. Keton Slovas now playing for BYU,

737
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: So as we enter twenty twenty three, it definitely feels

738
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: like the cupboard is more bare in the front seven,

739
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: and that is concerning because of what the defense typically

740
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: would mean for this team. I don't know if it's

741
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: fully bear. It's just more bare than it's been. And

742
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have any surefire gravitational stars

743
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: that everyone's talking about. In the preseason last year, we

744
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Elijah Kantsey and he got drafted

745
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: into the pros. This year, I don't know if we

746
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: have that guy, So maybe he'll emerge because Narduozi has

747
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: been very good at developing them over the course of time.

748
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: But the situation, I think, in and of itself is

749
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: very fascinating because we get to see Pat Nardouzi in

750
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: something of a different circumstance time at Pitt, They've just

751
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: always had those guys. Now he's got to develop them. Now.

752
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm fairly confident he will find a way to get

753
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: production from that defensive line unit. But not going into

754
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: the season knowing who the guy is going to be.

755
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: That's that's a little bit different.

756
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: That's a little maybe you don't he might, he might,

757
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: he might think. I think he has earned the benefit

758
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: of the doubt. All they do so you're in a

759
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: year out is fine. Dudes to harass quarterbacks, that's what

760
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: they do.

761
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: But in terms of fascination, I don't know who he is.

762
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: You don't know who he is. All the preview pubs

763
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: I read they don't know either. Maybe maybe nard Dog does,

764
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. So the second thing is they brought

765
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: filed your Kovic back home. So Pitt has kind of

766
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: this track record now of not being able to recruit

767
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: the talent from Western Pennsylvania out of high school. But

768
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: then after that talent goes elsewhere and doesn't play or

769
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: doesn't like the setup, they come back home, right, And

770
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: they've been doing that for a couple years running. Now,

771
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: fild your Covic is the latest. Frank Signetti came over

772
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: from BC last season. Now this season he's bringing Phil Jerkovic,

773
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: Phil Derkovic, Frank Signetti. In their one year together at

774
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: Boston College the best season of stats that Jakovic has

775
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: had in his time. So they're hoping to bring the

776
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: band back together. Healthy yeah, healthy, right, hoping to bring

777
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: the band back together. It is not a star started

778
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: cast around him by any stretch. I like their options

779
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: in the backfield. Derek Davis, by the way, another one

780
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: of those Western Pa kids, in his case, went to LSU.

781
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: Now he's transferring back. I think he's a nice option

782
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: for them in the backfield. But like Jared Wayne has

783
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: gone out wide, the receiver thing is kind of kind

784
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: of a question. So this is all a very long

785
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: way of saying that Pitt is on I think more

786
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: unstable footing than they have been in a while. I

787
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: think that Paton Rdouzy has earned the benefit of the

788
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: doubt with defense. I like the Jerkovic transfer to an extent,

789
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: and I just don't know how I feel about the

790
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: pieces around him, so a lot of uncertainty. The over

791
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: under is seven for the pit Panthers. I don't think

792
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: there are five losses on the schedule, so there might

793
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: be a speed bump initially trying to figure out the

794
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: defense and breaking in some new guys. But worst case scenario,

795
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: I think worst case scenario if all fails, they are

796
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: six and five going into the last game of the

797
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: year at Duke. Which is winnable is winle I think

798
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: it's good. Is good, but I think it's winnable. I

799
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: think it's winnable. So also a very good homeslate. If

800
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: you're a pit Panther season ticket holder, You've got since

801
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: he at home. You've got North Carolina, Louisville, Florida State,

802
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: and Boston College as well. They've also got the backyard

803
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: Brawl in Morgantown. They have to go to Blacksburg, they

804
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: have to go two Notre Dames, so it's not It's

805
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: not an easy schedule per se. But I don't know

806
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: if I feel great about more than five losses, So,

807
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's where I'm at with Pitt. It would.

808
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: So you look at the schedule and you say to yourself.

809
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: I say to myself, if filter COVID gets pretty good

810
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: and stays healthy, if the developmental cycle on defense continues,

811
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: if somebody emerges at receiver because Jared Wayne is gone, right,

812
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: if somebody emerges at receiver, if the offensive line can

813
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: stay healthier than where they were last year, if everything

814
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: just goes pretty well, they win most, if not all,

815
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: of their close fifty to fifty type games. You're like, oh,

816
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: Pitt could go provided all those ifs nine and three,

817
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: ten and two Florida State Notre Dame I think are

818
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: consecutive weeks. But otherwise, you don't look at that schedule

819
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: and say, man, they got this team and then that

820
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: team and then this team and then that teamage just

821
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: never stops. You don't say that, no, right, And Pitt

822
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: has been one of the most consistent teams in this conference.

823
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: So that if Pitt continues to be Pitt, which I

824
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: think is a pretty good well, there's a good likelihood

825
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: that Pitt will continue to be Pitt. They shouldn't lose

826
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: five games on this schedule. I like the over a

827
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: lot for Pitt because it just seems to pay off.

828
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: It seems to pay off.

829
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: I do have a fair amount of trust in patent Ardoozy,

830
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: But I again, I want to emphasize just a little

831
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: bit here, if I can please. It's a little bit

832
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: of a different situation. I totally hear you. The cupboard

833
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: is more bare. It's not totally bare. There are guys

834
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: that he's gonna get production from the line. We know

835
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: you will, but it's just more bare. There are fewer

836
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: shore fire difference makers on that front line, and that

837
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: gives that's our cause for pause or favorite pitch.

838
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: How many how many definitively B plus defenses will a

839
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: healthy filled Drakhovic play against this year?

840
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: He'll play Notre Dame, He'll play Florida State in Louisville.

841
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: Maybe Duke, maybe Duke.

842
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like two and a half three. That's an

843
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 2: awesome starting point from my vantage point at this moment.

844
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't disagree. Where are we going next? Let's

845
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: go n C State.

846
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: They're fascinating to me because they also fit that pit

847
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: mold of generally speaking, you know what you're getting from

848
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: MC State from a Dave Dorin team, and that is

849
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: good to very good defense with NFL level talent and

850
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: interesting offenses that don't necessarily have that magnitude that pop pop.

851
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: So let me let me ask you a question here.

852
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's the fascinating thing? Specifically? Is that your question?

853
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting there, but yeah, yeah, coordinator change, Robert and

854
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: I comes down from Syracuse, brenand Armstrong comes down from Virginia.

855
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: This has been in most of the preview content that

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Speaker 1: I've seen kind of haralded as the thing that could

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Speaker 1: take NC State to an interesting place in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that way? Do you feel that that

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Speaker 1: reunion of those two guys, given what else they've gotten

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Speaker 1: the roster? Let's say is that is that in and

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Speaker 1: of itself enough to spark curiosity and fascination for you?

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Speaker 2: If I were a team rooting for an offense mired

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Speaker 2: in phone booth tendencies, which NC State has been, even

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Speaker 2: the best of Devin Leary a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: was a lot of shorter stuff.

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Speaker 1: They weren't.

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Speaker 2: NC State wasn't a stretching the field type team. The

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Speaker 2: best of Robert and I. What we saw last year

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Speaker 2: with the development of Aronde Gadson at Syracuse at Receiver

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Speaker 2: with Garrett Shredder as you like to call him, and

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Speaker 2: Sean Tucker at their best, they were very balanced. They

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Speaker 2: were very dangerous these past couple of years. Obviously, what

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Speaker 2: he did with Brendan Armstrong and Keton Thompson moving them

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Speaker 2: all over the field was super fun to watch at

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Speaker 2: Virginia a couple of years ago. I'd be thrilled with it. Now,

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Speaker 2: would it be hot fudge and cherry on top? If

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Speaker 2: the offensive line were ready to be talented enough to

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Speaker 2: support these ambitions?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that much? And cherry on top from Jonas down?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably they're probably more of the ice cream

881
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Speaker 2: and the fudge and cherry are more the splashiness of

882
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Speaker 2: an explosive offense. So yeah, right now it's Robert and

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Speaker 2: I as not a mercenary, but let's call him like

884
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Speaker 2: the basher tar, right, isn't that Ocean's eleven? That's little

885
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Speaker 2: December oh one reference for the kids out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the explosives expert who comes in and does his best

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Speaker 2: to hold up his end of the bargain. So I'd

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Speaker 2: be happy with it. You have look where they were

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Speaker 2: last year with how beat up they were with Devin

890
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Speaker 2: Leary and what was it MJ. Morris and Ben Finley,

891
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Speaker 2: Like if you have a guy, you know his ceiling

892
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Speaker 2: now where they are receiver and running back, I don't know,

893
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Speaker 2: it's still TBD. They lose star power on defense. To me,

894
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Speaker 2: it's going to come down to offensive line. It's going

895
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Speaker 2: to come down to creativity and in that swinger lifestyle,

896
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Speaker 2: that ACC swinger lifestyle with Robert and I three ACC

897
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Speaker 2: teams in whatever, four years, three years, I'm good with it.

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Speaker 2: I'm good with it. I think there's enough upside to

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Speaker 2: gamble on with this offense. But no, where they were

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Speaker 2: along the offensive line last year was bad and they're

901
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Speaker 2: trying to be better. But that's my concern that there

902
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Speaker 2: is that sort of imposed ceiling because they haven't been

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Speaker 2: able to figure it out these past couple of years.

904
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Speaker 2: And I look, I like Tony Gibson running the defense,

905
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Speaker 2: but they're only going to go as far as the

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Speaker 2: pop pop takes them. On offense, it seems to me

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Speaker 2: this year, which still might be eight or nine games, granted,

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Speaker 2: like you look at the schedule, I don't know, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean really good home road splits. There are five road games.

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Speaker 1: They're at Yukon, Virginia, Duke Wake in Virginia Tech. You

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Speaker 1: can do a lot worse than that in terms of

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Speaker 1: your road slate. They also have at home Notre Dame, Louisville, Clemson,

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Speaker 1: Miami in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this gets back to the age old question that

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Speaker 1: we talked about when we did these big previews, like

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Speaker 1: would you rather have the hard games at home or

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Speaker 1: on the road? Right, I guess that depends on whether

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Speaker 1: or not you think you can win. If you think

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Speaker 1: you can win, you'd want them at home. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Duke Clemson, Miami Wake consecutively. Yeah, continue Duke Clemson

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Speaker 2: Miami Wake consecutively.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with a bye, I believe between Duke and Clemson.

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Speaker 2: But no, I'd much rather have the winnable games at home.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's where I get a little bit apprehensive

927
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Speaker 2: about NC State's chances this year. They're going to a

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Speaker 2: bowl game, they're not winning seven I don't think, well.

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Speaker 1: They're overunder games. They're over under a six and a half,

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Speaker 1: and at time of recording, just looking at these odds here,

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Speaker 1: it looks like the public is pretty heavy on the

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Speaker 1: over six and a half.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm fine with Look, Brendan Armstrong had a terrible

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Speaker 2: year last year. Everything about the Virginia offense is terrible.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with saying offensive upside despite my line concerns,

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Speaker 2: and what should again be a good defense, even losing

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Speaker 2: some star power. I think it's just ahead of eighty

938
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Speaker 2: percent of the ACC So I'm good with it.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Virginia should do Virginia quick. Let's do it

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Speaker 1: three and seven. Last year, obviously, tragedy struck that football program.

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Speaker 1: That's why they only played ten games. The over under

942
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Speaker 1: this season is three and a half last season. The

943
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Speaker 1: point of intrigue last season, I won't dig it for

944
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Speaker 1: this is that Tony Elliott, an offensive mind from Clemson,

945
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Speaker 1: came in and the defense got better. But they hired

946
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Speaker 1: the dude from air Force. Right, they hired the dude. Yeah,

947
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Speaker 1: they hired the dude from air Force, and the defense

948
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Speaker 1: got better. The offense fell by one hundred and one

949
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Speaker 1: spots in the sp plus all the way down to

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeenth. The defense, by the way up

951
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Speaker 1: sixty four spots. So the point of fascination, I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm shrugging on video, I guess is what tweaks are

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Speaker 1: they going to make on offense, because quite literally everything

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Speaker 1: is uncertain at this point. In offense, you could argue

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Speaker 1: that they might be worse, honestly worse, Yeah this season

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Speaker 1: to transfers and all the attrition that they've had on

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Speaker 1: the roster from last season. That the defense will be okay.

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Speaker 1: I think the defense will be fine. It's just hard

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Speaker 1: to see how Virginia's offense gets better, and there's no

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Speaker 1: clear cut reason why you should expect that they're suddenly

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Speaker 1: going to emerge and be able to run the ball

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Speaker 1: the way that Tony Elliott wanted to run the ball,

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Speaker 1: or be able to throw the ball the way he

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Speaker 1: wanted to throw it. He came in and wanted to

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Speaker 1: make things a little bit more balance. Remember when Brendan

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Speaker 1: Armstrong was kind of putting up these pinball numbers. Yeah,

967
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Speaker 1: threw like crazy. It was very wide open. He came

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Speaker 1: in and tried to button it up a little bit

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Speaker 1: more and make it more balanced, and that just didn't take.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, like I like Chico Bennett on

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Speaker 1: the defense. He's a fun player. Great name. John Razinsky,

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Speaker 1: by the way, is the defensive court John Razinsky has

973
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Speaker 1: a name, but it's a tough schedule. It's a bad

974
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Speaker 1: team certainly still a bad offense. And I hate to

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Speaker 1: paint the picture of doom mgloom for Virginia, but I

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Speaker 1: think there is a chance it only gets worse before

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Speaker 1: it gets better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, are they active in the portal like

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Speaker 2: it doesn't just doesn't seem like the efforts to overhaul

980
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Speaker 2: were all that successful.

981
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Speaker 1: They haven't been so far.

982
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe it's a tough thing, it's academics whatever,

983
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Speaker 2: But yeah, this the offense, the footprint is catastrophically bad

984
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Speaker 2: from the year.

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Speaker 1: The interesting stat that I saw is that talent and

986
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Speaker 1: then this also applies to Virginia Tech. Maybe I can

987
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Speaker 1: knock them out quickly as well. The talent in the

988
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Speaker 1: state of Virginia has gone up per recruiting rankings, but

989
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Speaker 1: it's also gone elsewhere. It's gone elsewhere. Both Virginia and

990
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Speaker 1: Virginia Tech have struggled to keep that talent home. We

991
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Speaker 1: know that's been one of the points of Brent Prize

992
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Speaker 1: fascination on the Virginia Tech side, trying to keep some

993
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Speaker 1: of those guys home. And we talked to Andy Bitter

994
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Speaker 1: that was one of the points he brought up, like,

995
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Speaker 1: give it where the program's at. You understand, off the bat,

996
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Speaker 1: you're not going to reel all of those guys in,

997
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Speaker 1: but you got to start somewhere. You got to reel

998
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Speaker 1: a couple of them in. You got to build some

999
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Speaker 1: momentum and then maybe that will lead to better things

1000
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Speaker 1: to come down the line. Yeah. Not ideal when they

1001
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Speaker 1: all go to penn State. No, Yeah, that's just it.

1002
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: When James Franklin talked about dominating in the state, it's

1003
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Speaker 1: hard to know if he was talking about Pennsylvania Virginia.

1004
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: He's been very effective at bringing up Virginia talent, but

1005
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Speaker 1: Virginia is kind of in this weird cycle right now

1006
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Speaker 1: where they got to get the offense on track. And

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Speaker 1: hopefully the next time we have this conversation in twenty

1008
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Speaker 1: twenty four, will we preview the Who's It'll be it'll

1009
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Speaker 1: be much more certain ground that we're talking about. But

1010
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Speaker 1: right now it feels like almost everything is problematic, Almost

1011
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Speaker 1: everything is uncertain. And again, I don't want to be

1012
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Speaker 1: doing goolm. I'd love to be truffled pig with you. Yeah,

1013
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what what I'm stiffing out

1014
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Speaker 1: in the dirt here. That's going to make me feel

1015
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Speaker 1: better about the who's on offense.

1016
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing is last year they had

1017
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Speaker 2: to be especially great in the red zone on defense,

1018
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Speaker 2: so it was a little bit of bending and not breaking,

1019
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Speaker 2: and so that was, you know, part of why they

1020
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Speaker 2: were so successful on defense last year and did make

1021
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Speaker 2: that jump one hundred and nineteenth one hundred and sixteenth

1022
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Speaker 2: excuse me, three and out percentage on offense. Eventually, you're

1023
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Speaker 2: just not gonna have the legs now, your linebackers, your

1024
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Speaker 2: defensive linean whatever to play so much if the offense

1025
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Speaker 2: can't stay on the field and string together successful drives.

1026
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Speaker 1: And so that's.

1027
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Speaker 2: Obviously, you know, among concerns with Virginia. But yeah, need

1028
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Speaker 2: to get a lot better. And look, how long ago

1029
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Speaker 2: were we talking about some really damn fun Virginia, like

1030
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Speaker 2: even before Brendan Armstrong, Bryce Perkins, Virginia that ended up

1031
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Speaker 2: in the AEC Championship game with a ton of offensive

1032
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Speaker 2: skill talent, especially at receiver little guys.

1033
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Speaker 1: But it just has fallen off a cliff completely. Yeah,

1034
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Speaker 1: it's a shame. That's a shame. But we get to

1035
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Speaker 1: see Keaton Thompson again this year. He's back. That's unbelievable

1036
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Speaker 1: that he's still a college Like they're only receiver. But

1037
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Speaker 1: on the Virginia Tech side, by the way, we're up

1038
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Speaker 1: to seventeen. Let's say Virginia Tech three wins last season,

1039
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Speaker 1: they're over unders five. The problem last season was turnover

1040
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Speaker 1: roster turnover, right, And when we say that they didn't

1041
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Speaker 1: have the dudes, they literally didn't have the dudes. Yeah.

1042
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Speaker 1: I remember doing the preview year ago and we talked

1043
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Speaker 1: about all the position changes that Virginia Tech was making

1044
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Speaker 1: a horrible sign, right, which is always like a certain

1045
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Speaker 1: number of position changes is normal, that happens every season.

1046
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Speaker 1: But when the coaches are framing it as such like, wow,

1047
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Speaker 1: we can't believe how many guys are playing out of position,

1048
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you that many guys were not out of position. Sam.

1049
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Speaker 1: We want about justin Fuente. Maybe he wasn't a great recruiter,

1050
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Speaker 1: He wasn't that bad of a coach that everybody was

1051
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Speaker 1: at a position. They did it out of necessity. So

1052
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Speaker 1: the offense was really bad. The defense played really well

1053
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Speaker 1: down the stretch. They ended up as a top forty unit,

1054
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Speaker 1: no surprise, Brent Prior is a defensive guy. That's what

1055
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Speaker 1: he does. They still don't have the guys, Dan, They

1056
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Speaker 1: still don't have the guys. And the most interesting preview

1057
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Speaker 1: content I read about Virginia Tech came from our friend

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Speaker 1: Brett Sianka from Pick six previews and what he talked

1059
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Speaker 1: about on offense and I hadn't seen this mention anywhere else,

1060
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Speaker 1: but it really makes sense. Tyler Bowen was the offensive

1061
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Speaker 1: coordinator who came in from the pro ranks and had

1062
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Speaker 1: more of a spread background, and they paired him with

1063
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Speaker 1: Joe Rudolph, the offensive line coach, with the background from Wisconsin,

1064
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Speaker 1: which was obviously more power run, and something between those

1065
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Speaker 1: contrasting styles did not mix. It didn't work. The power

1066
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Speaker 1: run with the spread concept. Whatever it was they tried

1067
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Speaker 1: to do, it took them to a point where they

1068
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: basically had no identity. Right, and so now Joe Rudolph

1069
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: went to Notre Dame. Right. We talked about that a

1070
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: little bit in the in the offseason. My point of

1071
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: fascination really with Virginia Tech is are we going to

1072
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: see more of those spread concepts and what does that

1073
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: look like? Do they have the ammo to run that

1074
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: style system will be a more conservative, pulled back version

1075
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: of the spread. What is Tyler Bowen going to make

1076
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: this offense look like? And furthermore, how did they scheme

1077
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: around what looks to me to be a lot of

1078
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: roster deficiency. You know, good coaches can do that. Good

1079
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: coaches can scheme around wherever their holes are. On offense,

1080
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of holes to scheme around. And

1081
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if Tyler Bowen in year one as

1082
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator gave us he didn't instill us with

1083
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: that sense of confidence that he knows what it takes

1084
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: to kind of make this thing work. I don't know,

1085
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: but that to me now kind of the fully unmored,

1086
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: fully unrestricted, let's say Tyler Bowen, If in fact that's

1087
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: what we're getting, what does that scheme look like? The

1088
00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: other thing is the schedule. You came up with the

1089
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: tagline miss murder on our preview on our Scheduled Preview podcast.

1090
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: The toughest road game is Florida State at Florida State

1091
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: the first weekend of October, which is certainly a very

1092
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: difficult game. But otherwise they've got Rutgers, they've got Marshall,

1093
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: they got Louisville. They got BC and Virginia for the

1094
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: Commonwealth Cup. Their toughest home game is pit mm hm.

1095
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: So as schedules go, this isn't bad. Virginia Tech is

1096
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: I think a prime candidate for a team that like

1097
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: UCLA if I want to use another example. Obviously they're

1098
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: in different spots as programs, but it's prime candidate in

1099
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: that schedule pretty favorable. Could be a team that ends

1100
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: up being worse than their record at the end of

1101
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: the season. I know what I did the schedule preview.

1102
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: I was pretty in on Virginia Tech as a possibility

1103
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: of getting to six wins. After doing this, I am

1104
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: decidedly not Red Pride knows defense. I think they will

1105
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: remain plucky on defense. Offensively, I hope they go with

1106
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: Kien Drones the bailor transfer because I feel like I

1107
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: and you and we got a good sense of Grant Wells. Yeah,

1108
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: you like, we know what the ceiling is there with

1109
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: right with Grant Wells. So I hope it's Kyen Drones.

1110
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: Just start over, give it to somebody else, and let's

1111
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: see if they can get more upside, because certainly, if

1112
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna try and run a spread offense. I don't.

1113
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't trust Grant Wells in that in that setup.

1114
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,479
Speaker 1: I just don't. So we'll see.

1115
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: It's my only final note on Virginia Tech is it's

1116
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: so weird that they're like a gloss over team.

1117
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: They're a gloss That.

1118
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: Sucks, right, it sucks that how many teams, how many

1119
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: fans of teams in the ACC are looking at their

1120
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: schedule and looking like, well, that's a win. That's tough,

1121
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: that's lost, that's tough on the road, and you're glossing.

1122
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: I'm glossing. Hopefully I'm wrong to gloss. But you treat

1123
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech like Virginia like Boston College like we used

1124
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: to Duke like you know, we sometimes treat Syracuse. We're like, well,

1125
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: there's a win.

1126
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: It's Virginia Tech. There's a win. I mean what we're about,

1127
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: what we're saying about Virginia Tech is that it's a

1128
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: tough place to play, and that has always been true. Yeah,

1129
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: well it's not tough if they're not good. It remains true.

1130
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: Is it is a tough place to play. It's an

1131
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: odd place to go. But I guess if the team

1132
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: is going to be this toothless on offense. That's a problem.

1133
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: They were plucky in spots last year. It felt to

1134
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: me they were close games down the stretch. They fought,

1135
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: they fought, And so if anything is to be determined

1136
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: from what we saw last season, three win campaign, the

1137
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: fact that it didn't feel like the team was giving up,

1138
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: I thought was positive. But you know, that's big time

1139
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: truffle pig right there, that's big time. We're looking for

1140
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: bright spots in an otherwise really underwhelming campaign.

1141
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: The starting point of their defense and how they kept

1142
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: them in games last year is nice. Yeah, oh yeah,

1143
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 2: But there's just nothing on offense right now.

1144
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: It seems it seems it seems like this is gonna

1145
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: be another rough offensive campaign. But look, maybe removing that

1146
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: conflict among coaches, and that's not to say it was contentious,

1147
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: that's not what I mean, but removing kind of those

1148
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: contrasting styles, maybe that will give them more clarity and

1149
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: an identity and they can kind of build around that

1150
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: and move forward. Sure, I'm gonna have to wait and

1151
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: see on that one. Man. I just I don't know

1152
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: enough at this point to go with that.

1153
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: Can we talk about the because we talk about consistencies

1154
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: we talk about powers, we talk about perceived powers. Can

1155
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: we talk about the shaker that is Duke football under

1156
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: Mike Elman. Man, I don't think another team kind of

1157
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: fits that, Like there was teams that fought near the

1158
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 2: end of the season, like Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech,

1159
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: but otherwise, no, They're the only team I think you

1160
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: can qualify as like unexpectedly fun and cool. They were

1161
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: not something you talk about with Duke as a university

1162
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: or football.

1163
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they won nine games last year after the Bowl,

1164
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: they were eight and four regular season, they won the Bowl.

1165
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: Finish nine and four. They're over under this year is

1166
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: six and a half. And I'll get to that in

1167
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: a second, because I think it speaks volumes about Duke

1168
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: football for me to sit here and say that my

1169
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: point of fascination is the schedule. It's the schedule, and

1170
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: it's not a lack of talent and coaching on offense

1171
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: or defense, but it's the schedule. And how long has

1172
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: it been for Duke football since we could say that. Yeah,

1173
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: we come into the season actually feeling pretty good about

1174
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: where they're at because they won eight regular season games

1175
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: and the Bowl. It was their best regular season since

1176
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, and it did not happen solely because of

1177
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: a weaker schedule, but they had the ninety third toughest

1178
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: schedule in the country. Just bullet point, I'm going to

1179
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: a place with this conversation, I promise you where we're

1180
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: going to get back to that. Yeah, but the best

1181
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: teams on that slate were North Carolina, Kansas, and pitt

1182
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: This year, in start contrast, they open with Clemson. They've

1183
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: also got Notre Dame, Florida State, North Carolina, Louisville, even

1184
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: the upstart Yukon Huskies who won five games a year ago,

1185
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: whatever it was. Don't sleep on the Lafayett Leopards either

1186
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: Week two, never know, never ever sleep on the laps.

1187
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: So the reason the over under six and a half

1188
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: is because it's a tough slate and it's tough. The

1189
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: truffle pig your way into the Oh no, you love it.

1190
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,959
Speaker 1: See you just keep going truffle pig. Well, I'm gonna

1191
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: have a links on the board next time, I promise.

1192
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: Now.

1193
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: Looking for upside in the dirt. Yeah, an interesting point

1194
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: of fascination. Whenever you've got an upstart program, which is

1195
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: basically what Duke is under Mike Gelko now and then

1196
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: suddenly they get a huge schedule upgrade and it gets

1197
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: much much harder.

1198
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: Well, and people are just much more keenly aware of

1199
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: Ke's upside. They're not teams, by surprise last year not

1200
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: necessarily going to sneak up on you in the same manner.

1201
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: So I think it speaks violance about where Mike Elko

1202
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: has gotten his program. It was one year, by the way,

1203
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: is his first year. Yeah, to win nine games with

1204
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: Duke is like incredible, So yeah, I think I think

1205
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: he's got a really good job. This is the same

1206
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: team from a year ago, which is the other point

1207
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: of fascination. They've got eight starters back on both sides

1208
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: of the ball, including Riley Leonard, who was the breakout

1209
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: star of the offense and certainly the team. He's got

1210
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: his entire compliment of skill guys back. Kevin Johns did

1211
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: a great job coaching this offense last season. There's no

1212
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: reason to think that Riley Leonard's going to take a

1213
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: gigantic step back. Baby, he'll regress a little bit. But

1214
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: is he like the third best quarterback in the ACC

1215
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: right now? I could be absolutely could be, Yeah, behind

1216
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: Drake May and Jordan Travis. We know more about him

1217
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: than we do Kate club Nick. That's true.

1218
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 2: So preseason it's he's in that conversation. Phil Drikovic at

1219
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: his best, yes see.

1220
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: But Riley Leonard, with the season he had last season

1221
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: and certainly with the talent around him this year, you

1222
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: got to feel really good about where the offense is at. Defensively,

1223
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: Dwayne Carter back along the defensive line. He made a

1224
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: big decision to stay put, which should help that Duke defense.

1225
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: Duke was solid defensively last year, and that was a

1226
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: direct by product. I think of Mike Elko taking over

1227
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: really good against the run. Top two defenders are gone.

1228
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: They brought in some reinforcements via the portal. Mike Elko

1229
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: was somewhat aggressive in the portal and he's one of

1230
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: the bright defensive minds in the game right now, and

1231
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: they're going to need every bit of that up against

1232
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: a really tough schedule, really tough schedule.

1233
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 2: How much money is Mike Elko going to be paid

1234
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: by a Big ten team in two years? I know

1235
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: Michigan State head coach Mike Elco, Penn State head coach

1236
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 2: Mike Alco, Michigan head coach Mike Alco like, he's going

1237
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: to make so much money in the Big twenty five.

1238
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: Let's be real, Yeah, I guess. I mean, he obviously

1239
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: was at Notre Dame, so he has the Midwestern footprint?

1240
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: Was it at A and m has that obviously has

1241
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time in North Carolina. But he

1242
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 2: is going to make so much money if this continues

1243
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 2: at Duke.

1244
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: First thing is the schedule. The schedule is It's just

1245
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see what they do against

1246
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: tougher slate. Second thing is basically everybody's back. The conventional

1247
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: wisdom is that the record's going to be worse because

1248
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 1: the schedules is harder and there are enough sure thing

1249
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: caliber teams that I think Duke is starting with four losses.

1250
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: Can they go seven to one against the rest of

1251
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: the field and hit their over I think there that's

1252
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: asking a little too much, Okay, So I'm just I'm

1253
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: not I'm not at the point yet where I say

1254
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: that the roster is deep enough that they're going to

1255
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: be consistent enough against those other mid tier teams and

1256
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: they're going to go, you know, eight and four again

1257
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: against this seven and five. I got him at six

1258
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: and six. I don't think i'd touched the over, but

1259
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: I think Duke could be. You know, if I talk

1260
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: about Virginia Tech maybe being a team that because of record,

1261
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: ends up with a better record than team, I think

1262
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: Duke could be shoeing the other foot, where the record

1263
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: does not indicate how good of a team this is

1264
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: just given the caliber of the schedule. You know how

1265
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: many games they lost by double digits last year? Zero?

1266
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 2: Zero, Yeah, four games by sixteen points.

1267
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: Ty, that's right.

1268
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: So we're not even just talking and I love this

1269
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 2: way of looking at the season for Duke. Last year,

1270
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: we're not even talking about a Duke team that was

1271
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: incredible with the number of games that they won that

1272
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: I think my phrasing at some point in April or

1273
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: something was they were augusta wind away from being eleven

1274
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 2: to one last year were with their close losses they

1275
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: were so Yes, it's important to look at it via

1276
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: the lens of what their schedule is and that nobody's

1277
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: sleeping on them, and it's more difficult, it seems right now.

1278
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: But if we're thinking they're gonna play decent defense under

1279
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: Mike Elco, if we think that Riley Leonard is one

1280
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: of the best or even a top half quarterback.

1281
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: In the ACC. At worst. Again, they're starting ahead of

1282
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: a lot of teams. Right now. We still have to

1283
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: knock out Boston College. Okay, that'll be quick. Syracuse, Wake Forest,

1284
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and Louisville. Okay, let's talk North Carolina. You

1285
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: want to talk to North Carolina. Yeah, North Carolina man,

1286
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: Drake Man, it's easy. This is very easy for you. Ty.

1287
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: You wanna go through North Carolina forty five seconds. They

1288
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 2: don't have a defense. Drake May is awesome, but he

1289
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 2: has a new coordinator and they lost star power on offense,

1290
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 2: and the offensive line was terrible last year. It doesn't

1291
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 2: look like they're gonna get much better on the offensive

1292
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: line this year. Soccer style kicker, what do you think

1293
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 2: of this tagline? I jotted down Jeane Chiswick more like

1294
01:08:58,520 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: Serene Chiswick.

1295
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: Am I right? No? Not like that? Tie? No, this

1296
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: last forever audio is your record. Look, if you're not

1297
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: you're right, If you're not a Carolina fan, you're gonna

1298
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: watch because of Drake May of course, right. But for me,

1299
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: it's it's a fascination with defense, particularly one stat on defense.

1300
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: North Carolina was one hundred and twenty eighth nationally in

1301
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: havoc rate. Okayrect I love havoc grate. We talk about

1302
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: all the time. Havoc grate for those of you newcomers here,

1303
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: it's just a measure of how many times is a

1304
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: defense getting tackles for loss or forcing a fumble, or

1305
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: breaking up a pass or intercepting a pass. If you've

1306
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: got a high havoc rate, that's good. You've got a

1307
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: low havoc rate, that means that you're you're North Carolina,

1308
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: right right, That's what it means. You're not doing any

1309
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: of that stuff and you're not creating plays. Instead, the

1310
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: offense is more bringing it to you. I don't have

1311
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: the sound at the ready. Maybe I should have been

1312
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: more prepared. But North Carolina has been the cure for

1313
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: the common offense. We used to make that joke about

1314
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: Mac Brown at Texas too, but North Carolina last couple

1315
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: of years, the defense has gotten worse. They are the

1316
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 1: cure for the common offense. You're a bad offense or

1317
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,520
Speaker 1: struggling offense for Virginia Tech. You want to play North Carolina.

1318
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: Do we think gene Chizck can solve this?

1319
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: Dan not with the full secondary leaving and them not

1320
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 2: bringing in interesting enough talent on all three levels, yeah,

1321
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: to make up for it.

1322
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: No, they still have Cedric Gray. He's the linebacker who

1323
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: led all Power five in tackles last season, So that's

1324
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: a good building block in the middle of your defense.

1325
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: But why did he have to complete all of those

1326
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: tackles exactly exactly.

1327
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: I like him and I like pieces here in Power

1328
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: Eccles is a great name at linebacker. YEP. I think

1329
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: they'll be okay at linebacker generally speaking, but in the secondary,

1330
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: especially as you said, Tony Grimes, Cameron Kelly, Storm Duck,

1331
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: they're all out. Transferring in are guys from Virginia Tech,

1332
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, Georgia State, East Tennessee State. Elijah Hussey wasn't

1333
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: all American and East Tennessee. Maybe he'll be great, But

1334
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: in general, I don't know if I like the whole

1335
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: formula of your guys transferring out and guys from smaller

1336
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: schools transferring in. Because it's been the same story now

1337
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. New names are not going

1338
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: to develop necessarily better than the old name.

1339
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 2: Jeane Chiswick, by the way, called arguably the worst red

1340
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 2: zone defense in America last year.

1341
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did, so, I'm not confident that he can

1342
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: solve the problem. I don't know if they can develop

1343
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: these guys the schedules workable. There's very much an Oklahoma

1344
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: feel to this, USC feel to this in that the

1345
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: defense doesn't need to be twenty twenty one Georgia because

1346
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: the offense is going to be so damn good with

1347
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: Drake May it just will be we know, bank No,

1348
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: I know that. I'm confident that the offense is going

1349
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: to be very, very good with Drake May. Ok. They're

1350
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: also bringing Chip Lindsay in as the offensive coordinator. I

1351
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: think they will tap into a little bit more of

1352
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: Drake May running the ball as a feature, not just

1353
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: something that he has to do okay, and I think

1354
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: that will make him all the more dangerous. Phil Longo,

1355
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: who was the offensive coordinator, he went to Wisconsin. That's

1356
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: why Chip Lindsay is there. So I think that the

1357
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: offense will be in a very very good spot. They

1358
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: have four starters back up front, they have two solid

1359
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: tight ends, They've got solid running backs back out wide.

1360
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: It'll be a little interesting because there are transfers. Nate

1361
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: McCollum comes up from Georgia Tech, and they got a

1362
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: guy from Kent as well, so they're gonna have to

1363
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 1: feel that side of things out. But by and large,

1364
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: it's Drake May and the offense and much the way

1365
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: we talked about it honestly, with USC can he do

1366
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: enough to kind of counteract the defense, which I'm just

1367
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: not at all confident they can solve with gene Chiswick,

1368
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: you want to talk Louisville real quick? Yeah? Please?

1369
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: Everything's new, everything's new in the vill Tye. Yeah, new coach,

1370
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: new quarterback, new receivers, new linebackers, new defensive lineman. Now

1371
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm swatting a fly right now. If you're

1372
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 2: watching the video. New DB's schedules great and Jeff brom

1373
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: was especially good for Purdue in his first year there,

1374
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 2: taking over a down program, and Louisville had a nice

1375
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: defense last year. But I just think offensively where they

1376
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: where Malik Cunningham fell to after what he started out

1377
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 2: as was pretty disappointing. I know he was beat up,

1378
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 2: but he should have been a great college football dual

1379
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: threat quarterback and it just didn't pan out for him

1380
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 2: in the Louisville offense.

1381
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: Does it Even though there's a lot new, doesn't it

1382
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: feel like Louiville is still like a really good landing

1383
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: spot for Jeff Brom that maybe he caught them at

1384
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: a well year. The program is trending in a good direction.

1385
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,480
Speaker 1: They just didn't do enough to be consistent.

1386
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: But is it good for Louisville right? I think it's

1387
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: good for Jeff Brom. His track record at Purdue is

1388
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 2: pretty mick. His offenses were very specific. They had some

1389
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 2: of the worst rushing performances in college football these past

1390
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 2: couple of years. That worries me a little bit if

1391
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 2: he's going to be this big, bright offensive mind that

1392
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: his reputation would have you believe.

1393
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: And so I don't know. I'm mixed.

1394
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 2: But here's what I like about Louisville. I like that

1395
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,839
Speaker 2: they're extremely aggressive in the portal, going all over the conference,

1396
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: all over the country, recruiting nationally. They are spending like

1397
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 2: they want to win ten games once again, which I

1398
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 2: think is terrific.

1399
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: I think it's good for the ACC.

1400
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 2: I think Louisville is a fun program when they're operating,

1401
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 2: and it hasn't been that long as a power Defensively,

1402
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: there's a lot to replace. Offensively, they bring in a bunch.

1403
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 2: I'm just the sort of calling card of those Jeff

1404
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 2: Brom Purdue teams were like star power at receiver, right,

1405
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: David Bell, Ronde, all Moore, guys like that. Jack Plummer

1406
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 2: has the experience in the Brom system. He goes to

1407
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: Cal last year, he's back, you know, Pierce Clarkson comes

1408
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: in as a heralded freshman. It's but brock Doman had

1409
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: some time last year not that good. I think there's

1410
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: a lot to like, and I think the schedule is

1411
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: such that they can win a bunch of games if

1412
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: they're fine. If Jeff Brom is the cure for the

1413
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 2: common sadderfield kind of thing that he comes in there

1414
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: and it's just a more professional atmosphere. If they're bad

1415
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 2: against this schedule, it's like the NBA Summer league thing,

1416
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 2: where like, if you're bad against summer league competition, that's

1417
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,919
Speaker 2: a bad sign. If you're good against summer league competition,

1418
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 2: who knows, but that would be my worry right now.

1419
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 2: They have to be good this year, even with as

1420
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 2: many new parts as they have. They have to be

1421
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 2: good that you spend for Jeff Brom you bring him home.

1422
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: I just I like him.

1423
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't love him, right, I just I think there's

1424
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: guys to like on defense. There's just too many new

1425
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: faces right now for me on offense to get me

1426
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: too confident in where they're going to be medium term.

1427
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: But I think they should be fine. Eight is the

1428
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: over under.

1429
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,839
Speaker 2: I'd probably go under just because of the new faces.

1430
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: I still think they're gonna be good. I still think

1431
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 2: they're gonna give good teams problems. They have Notre Dame

1432
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: at home. They have I mean at pitt at NC

1433
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 2: State at Miami. It seems like a balanced enough schedule,

1434
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: but yeah, Indiana Murray Stated State or Clemson, Florida State

1435
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 2: or Clemson or North Carolina. So they missed Drake May

1436
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 2: for whatever that's worth.

1437
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: And a very bizarre setup that we called out Kentucky

1438
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: at home. Yeah, when we did the schedule preview. Louisville

1439
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: has a listed five road games, but two of them

1440
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: are neutral site. They've also got Georgia Tech in Atlanta

1441
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: and Indiana at Indianapolis, so thoseose are two neutral site games.

1442
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: Only three true road games. Have also got four games

1443
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:57,839
Speaker 1: on either a Thursday or Friday.

1444
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 2: I'd take the under because it's year one. I like

1445
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 2: the schedule a good deal. I just I still worry

1446
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 2: about the amount of newness for Louisville and year.

1447
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 1: One, well about Wake Forest their new a quarterback, Sam

1448
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: Hartman transfers up to Notre Dame. I'm out on Wake. Yeah,

1449
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: not feeling the claw fence in the slow mesh.

1450
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 2: It's just it's the wakiest team of all because look,

1451
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 2: losing Sam Hartman to Notre Dame. It's what Mitch Griffiths

1452
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: coming in replacing at Perry they have promised. The thing

1453
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 2: to like about Wake is it's a very specific system.

1454
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 2: I'd like it for being to be a very specific

1455
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,440
Speaker 2: successful system on defense as well. They've been very bad defensively,

1456
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 2: and so I don't think they're falling off a cliff.

1457
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: I still think they're likely going to make a bowl

1458
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 2: team bowl game.

1459
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: Excuse me.

1460
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 2: I just see them as six and six right now,

1461
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: like every week is going to go similarly. They're gonna

1462
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: be a pain for some teams, but they'll they'll beat them.

1463
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: They'll be a pain for some teams and they'll lose

1464
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 2: to Wake.

1465
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1466
01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: I just I think they're a toss up team right

1467
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 2: now now, and so I've met a well coached toss

1468
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 2: up team, but without the defense, without obvioust. I think

1469
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 2: they have good guys at receiver. I just I don't

1470
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: know I have them at six and six.

1471
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: Is Wake Forest better or worse than Syracuse this year?

1472
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 2: I think they're likely worse. I think Syracuse can be

1473
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 2: six and six, seven and five. Here's the thing about Wake.

1474
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 2: They have a stretch starting in week five at Clemson,

1475
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 2: at Virginia Tech, Pitt Florida State at Duke at excuse me,

1476
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 2: NC State at home at Notre Dame at QS. It's

1477
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: unforgiving after September and depending on how you feel about

1478
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. But it's on the road at Virginia Tech.

1479
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 2: That's so that's the fascinating thing to me about Wake, Yeah,

1480
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: is if Dave Clausen goes to if he gets to

1481
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 2: seven wins with this schedule, he's going.

1482
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: To get another race. He's coach of the year. Yeah.

1483
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: And so that's the thing to me. That's Syracuse and

1484
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 2: we can get to them as an easy transition next right.

1485
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 2: They make a very i'd call it tantalizing defensive coordinator

1486
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: high in Rocky Long, the legendary three three five. I

1487
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: don't know if he's an innovator, but he is somebody

1488
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 2: who has popularized and had a ton of success running that.

1489
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: And I think they're they're better at quarterback and star

1490
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 2: power receiver in Syracuse with Garrett Schrader and Miranda Gadson.

1491
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 2: So schedule wise, home field advantage wise, upside with defense wise,

1492
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: I think Syracuse is in a better place even with

1493
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 2: how just awful Syracuse was up front last year. So yeah,

1494
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 2: I'd put Syracuse above Wake.

1495
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,879
Speaker 1: I'll be it. I'll put Dave Claus and Overtino Babers.

1496
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: What is what is your biggest point of fascination with

1497
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: with Syracuse though?

1498
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 2: Oh, Rocky Long. Rocky Long, a long time successful head

1499
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 2: coach at San Diego State, goes to New Mexico to

1500
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: coach for Danny Gonzalez, a protege of his, replacing Tony White,

1501
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 2: another protege another San Diego State three three five guy

1502
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: who goes to Nebraska. Look, Syracuse loses a lot of

1503
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 2: that they depended on on the back half of that defense.

1504
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 2: They lose Sean Tucker on offense, who was a terrific

1505
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 2: running back, offensive line we'll see. But that is just

1506
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 2: in terms of fascination if they can get better up front,

1507
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 2: because all you had to do against Syracuse was run

1508
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 2: directly at them and through them and buy that. They

1509
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 2: prevented big plays last year, but they didn't prevent intermediate plays,

1510
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 2: which you could get at will against the Orange. So that,

1511
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 2: to me is the fascination if Rocky Long, truly in

1512
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 2: his seventies, can take a defense with obvious deficiencies upfront

1513
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 2: and immediately fix them, because if they can get off

1514
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 2: the field, they become a lot more interesting because that

1515
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 2: gives them defense and quarterback.

1516
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: And I like Garrett Trader. I do.

1517
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 2: I know you're mixed on him, but I think he

1518
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: throws himself at a defense pretty admirably, both on the

1519
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: ground and obviously throwing the ball. I like him. I

1520
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 2: think he's a gamer. I think he can win fifty

1521
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 2: to fifty games. I think he can lead a Syracuse

1522
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 2: team down the field on four with you know, two

1523
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 2: and a.

1524
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:02,839
Speaker 1: Half minutes left. I like him.

1525
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 2: I think he's actually kind of underrated in terms of

1526
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 2: this quarterback list in the conference. The best of Shaun Tucker,

1527
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 2: the best of Garrett Trader, I like, but Yeah, it's

1528
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 2: just the defense. Because you can't stop the run, you

1529
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 2: can't do much in the winning. So that to me

1530
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: is the fascination. Rocky Long and can he spin that magic?

1531
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 2: Three thousand miles away from San Diego?

1532
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm in terms of spinning that magic. Let me close

1533
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: out my grouping of teams with Georgia Check and Brent Key.

1534
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: Recall they fired Jeff Collins, they bring in Brent Key

1535
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 1: as the interim first, and then they gave him the

1536
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: permanent job. Came out hot under Brent Key, beat both

1537
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 1: Pitt and Duke, but then ended the season losing four

1538
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: of six. Last year finished five and seven, didn't make

1539
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 1: a Bowl, but one of those wins was against Carolina. Actually,

1540
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, here's one for you. Three of tax wins

1541
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: last season. Three of their five wins were over nine

1542
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: win teams.

1543
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I remember they were like the Purdue of

1544
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 2: the ACC. I don't know who that's more insulting to continue.

1545
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 1: A lot was wrong, not the least of which was

1546
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: the injury bug. They had a lot of that. But

1547
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: there is I think a renewed sense of optimism that

1548
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: Brent Kee got the job. He seems to be the

1549
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: one who wanted it the most. He's obviously got deep

1550
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: ties at Georgia Tech. They're probably not making a bowl

1551
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: with the schedule. This is a tough schedule. I also

1552
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: don't think that's the goal this season. The goal is

1553
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: to build a too deep and get this roster to

1554
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: a point where you know it's it's more competitive. I

1555
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 1: think Brent Key in his own right has done a

1556
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: pretty good job of improving that aspect of things. By

1557
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: the portal, they got to get to a point where

1558
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: they're recruiting out of high school better and they're not

1559
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: just recruiting out of the portal, and that will be

1560
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: tough in the state of Georgia. However, I think it's possible.

1561
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: It's a talent rich state. And bear in mind that

1562
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: Jeff Collins took over trying to convert that system away

1563
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: from the option, and sometimes we've seen it before at

1564
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: other places. It takes time to convert from a very

1565
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: specific system like the option over to something else.

1566
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 2: He recruited, well, he recruited plenty, especially I know that

1567
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: starting for Nebraska, their running back was an All American

1568
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 2: caliber running back for Alabama last year. Yeah, I'm truffle

1569
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 2: pigging this day, I know, but let's not get bogged

1570
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 2: down on option stuff. That's that's years ago now.

1571
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: Haines King, Yeah, I apologize in advance to our Georgia

1572
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: Tech brethren out there, but this is this is intended

1573
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: as a ricochet shot at Jimbo Fisher. Okay, Haines King

1574
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: was supposed to be Capital T Capital G, the guy

1575
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: at Texas A and M. I remember doing the interview

1576
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: with Sam kN Junior maybe before last season, yeah, twenty

1577
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: two season, Yeah, where he was like, Jimbo just loves

1578
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: Haines King, like they complete each other's sentences. He just

1579
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: gets what Jimbo wants to do. Well, Yeah, that didn't work.

1580
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: Haines King got hurt and got crowded out of the

1581
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 1: depth chart. His numbers weren't good otherwise. But is this

1582
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: the rare litmus test now where we get to see

1583
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: how bad Jimbo's offense really was at A and M.

1584
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: Because if Haines King comes over and lights the world

1585
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: on fire or lights the world half on fire, that

1586
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 1: doesn't reflect very Finally for Jimbo Fisher.

1587
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 2: Do you think Haynes King will light the world on

1588
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 2: fire for Georgia Tech this year I'm ready with receipts

1589
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 2: if you are.

1590
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't be the case. I

1591
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: don't think that at all. Yeah, I think it'll be

1592
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: better than what they had, and I think the offense

1593
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: is a new beast. I think the transfers are a

1594
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: new beast. I think they're basically putting this together on

1595
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 1: the fly. The new offensive coordinator got experience calling plays

1596
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: at Southern miss, Arkansas State, and Middle Tennessee. Buster Faulkner

1597
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: is his name. He recently an analyst at Georgia. Yeah. Well,

1598
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: regarded as far as yeah, yeah, seems seems willing to

1599
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: tailor the offense to the personnel. So it's gonna look

1600
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: different this year, and I think that's a good thing.

1601
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: That's all to say. Talent on defense is a separate

1602
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: conversation altogether. That's going to be a real problem. They

1603
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 1: got hit really hard in the transfer portal on the

1604
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, so the over unders four

1605
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: and a half. I wouldn't go near it. But again,

1606
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: the point is not necessarily the ball. Ball would be

1607
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: immaculate against the schedule, it's pretty tough. The point is

1608
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: not the ball. The point is to build up roster

1609
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: depth and to just try and establish some damn momentum here,

1610
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: because every year under Jeff Collins it was like, all right,

1611
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 1: the same thing again, same thing again. I like Jeff Collins,

1612
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: I liked what he was trying to do. It just

1613
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 1: didn't take flight. So maybe Brent Key the Georgia Tech

1614
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: Legacy can establish things in a way that Atlanta super

1615
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: fan Jeff Collins could not. Okay, close it out with

1616
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: Boston College, Dan, last one, I've got let's say twenty

1617
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: six points.

1618
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: Here, twenty six so far, so this will be twenty seven,

1619
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 2: twenty seven, and then we'll do our. We'll get to

1620
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 2: twenty nine again.

1621
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: All right, we'll do our.

1622
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 2: I have my fascinating, my fascinating Boston College thing I

1623
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: have down as Boston Beef, which that's the calendar that

1624
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,719
Speaker 2: you were producing for many years before the podcast, before

1625
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 2: I did the h That's how you made your living.

1626
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 2: Uh uh old line was awful for Boston College, almost

1627
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 2: historically so last year, and they could not run the

1628
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 2: ball for long stretches of the season. Obviously, Filterkovic hurt,

1629
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 2: so people were stacking the box. Emon moorehead came in

1630
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: was actually pretty promising. I believe he's from California.

1631
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: I like him. I'm calling him Capital M this year.

1632
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: I think he's good. I really think he's good. Oh,

1633
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: this is bad that we're all right now. So on

1634
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: the Boston College I really like him though, I I

1635
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: I read the same stuff you did and I went

1636
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: back and watched high I think he's really good.

1637
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just he's behind a not great offensive line defense.

1638
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: They make a change of coordinator. Their coordinator from last

1639
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 2: year left, they hire internally, it's co coordinators.

1640
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they're that good.

1641
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: I think he's good, and unfortunately he might be like

1642
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: a candidate to go elsewhere. And this is sort of

1643
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 2: I everywhere was sort of talking about this being a

1644
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 2: make or break here for Jeff Haffley and this staff

1645
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: after going three to nine last year. I just think

1646
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 2: that's the issue with Boston College. And if you don't

1647
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 2: have the line, you don't have much that should be

1648
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 2: a position group in the Northeast that you're able to

1649
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: develop and recruit to relatively well. And they've just fallen off.

1650
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 2: So interesting talented receivers A Flowers on to the NFL,

1651
01:27:55,479 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 2: of course, but yeah, the star power isn't great on offense.

1652
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 2: They've got a couple great pieces up front on defense,

1653
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 2: but depth isn't there. I think they'll be okay. I

1654
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: think with a couple of breaks, they could get to

1655
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 2: a bowl game. But it's going to require, you know,

1656
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 2: playing teams with injured quarterbacks. It's going to require, you know,

1657
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 2: freaky plays at the end of games, a fifty to

1658
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 2: fifty situation for BC. But it's at least a nice

1659
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 2: starting point to have guys who can rush the passer

1660
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: and have them at morehead.

1661
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: Are we both going Florida State Clemson in the conference

1662
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: championship game? So playing and then rematching.

1663
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess it's boring, but yeah, the game's

1664
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 2: at Clemson.

1665
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 1: Does Florida State beat Clemson in Week four on the road?

1666
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 2: Does Florida State beat Clemson on the road. I'm gonna

1667
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: say no, I think they do. I think it's a

1668
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 2: difficult it's too difficult a place to play, and Clemson

1669
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 2: beat him last year on the road, so hypothetically it

1670
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 2: should be easier for Clemson at home to win this

1671
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:11,480
Speaker 2: game with what we perceived to be a more dependable quarterback,

1672
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 2: a new offense, and an experienced defense. I think i'd

1673
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 2: give the advantage Clemson there. I don't know what the

1674
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 2: line if there's a line that's been released for that game, and.

1675
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I had a venture a guess I would

1676
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: I would say it's pretty even right about now.

1677
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 2: You think the line is even twoint and a half.

1678
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be. It might be in Clemson's favor,

1679
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 1: if only because of where the game is being played.

1680
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: But I think it's pretty even terms of point spread,

1681
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: maybe three points one way or the other. I think

1682
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 1: it's Florida State Clemson for the title. I think Florida

1683
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: State beats him on the road. I can also see

1684
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,759
Speaker 1: Florida State losing Week one to LSU Game of the Week.

1685
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 2: Sure, of course, and they can lose to LSU and

1686
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 2: still beat Yeah.

1687
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: I just you know, Florida State's got so much back

1688
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: and I really like their veteran leadership at quarterback. I

1689
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,759
Speaker 1: spent two years talking down Jordan Travis.

1690
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: I know Todd, but now you're going too far in

1691
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:13,799
Speaker 2: the other direction.

1692
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: Likely, Yeah, this is a really good team. So I'm

1693
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: on Florida State in the a SEC. I'm on Florida

1694
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: State over Clemson. I don't know if they go in defeed,

1695
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: it I don't think they go UNEFEEDD but I think

1696
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: they win the conference this year. I think this is

1697
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: the year they finally get back to the top of

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Speaker 1: sorry now we made it. This is the limit. This

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Speaker 1: That's exactly.

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Speaker 1: I agree for that guy over there, my good friend

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tye Hilda Brand. Thanks again for downloading,

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Speaker 1: for listening, for playing along at home. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you what two days Dan, We're doing the Big Come

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Speaker 1: Big Ten's next. They saw it. Peace