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Speaker 1: I get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The schools out for summer. Addition,

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Speaker 1: as the Bengals wrap up their mandatory mini camp earlier

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Speaker 1: in uniform as a training camp in late July. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: you'll hear from three people. Number one draft picked Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 1: second year linebacker Logan Wilson, and by broadcast partner Dave Lapham.

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Speaker 1: thing since old guys shooting hoops at the gym. I

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Speaker 1: belong to a local fitness club. My physique provides ample

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Speaker 1: evidence that my attention said said club isn't great. But

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Speaker 1: one thing that inspires me to drag my butt in

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Speaker 1: there as often as possible is seeing a handful of

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Speaker 1: elderly guys who regularly shoot hoops. I'm guessing that some

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Speaker 1: start working on my set shot. Now, let's get to football.

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Speaker 1: When aj Green was still with the Bengals, he used

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Speaker 1: for the hundreds of youngsters that attended the camp last

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Speaker 1: somebody like you. What does this do for you? It just,

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Speaker 1: Did you ever meet a professional athlete when you were

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Speaker 1: the offseason after your rookie year was probably the first

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Speaker 1: of that, and you know, early to lose the season

429
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: this early in your career too, you know, when you're

430
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Speaker 1: just starting through that developmental process. He's the raw tools

431
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: in terms of we've talked about his footwork, and you know,

432
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: he's got pretty good hand placed been pretty good punch

433
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: and all the all those kind of things are great. Boy,

434
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: there's nothing like you know, getting reps and when you

435
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: start to miss reps after having the you know, the

436
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: first few blocks of the foundation are there from your

437
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: rookie year. And like I've said many times, I know

438
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: it was the case for me. I know it is

439
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: a case for a lot of teammates and guys that

440
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: I played against year one to year two. Man's well,

441
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: it's a whole new world. Your eyes open up a

442
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: much different perspective. But what the heck you're you know,

443
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: you're looking at and you're trying to get accomplished and

444
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: how to go about accomplishing it. That's for sure. Assuming

445
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: he did not win the starting left guard spot that

446
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: that goes to a veteran like Quentin Spain or suet Philo,

447
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: would he have then been more likely to be one

448
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: of the top guys in the tackle depth. Yeah, I

449
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: think I think that that he's a guy that is

450
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: somebody that's capable of playing you know, right and left side,

451
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: both inside and outside. I think he's got that type

452
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: of you know, that type of mentality, that type of ability.

453
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: I do know that I did mention what desk strength

454
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: about him? You know, what do you what do you

455
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: think of a chem identity? And this was obviously before

456
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: the injury, and he was impressed with him. It's hard

457
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: not to be impressed with with what he shows you,

458
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, from an athleticism standpoint, the work to change

459
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: the direction. Um, he's he's he's really pretty gifted that way.

460
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's unfortunate, it really is. I think,

461
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: feel feel bad. All you're trying to do is improve yourself,

462
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: you know, working out, trying to get better, trying to

463
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: get bigger, trying to get stronger, and those those kind

464
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: of things take place, they happen and you get bitten.

465
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Speaker 1: So does this increase the possibility or likelihood even that

466
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: the Bengals try to sign a veteran to add to

467
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: their offensive line depth. I was looking at the tackles

468
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: that are still out there, Rick Wagner, Russell o'coon, Mitchell Schwartz,

469
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses All between the ages of thirty and thirty two.

470
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Speaker 1: Now Morgan Moses, I think is probably still looking at

471
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: a big contract. Not sure about the others. But what

472
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Speaker 1: do you think, Yeah, that's you've hit the magic you know,

473
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: the magic sauce for the answer. I think, what kind

474
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: of contracts are they looking for? And um, you know,

475
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: some some guys get to the point of their career, well,

476
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've earned quite a bit of money

477
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: and this is what I'll do it for this, but

478
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it for anything less, and

479
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: they'll just decide I'd I'd rather not put my body

480
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: through it for the sake of one more year, particularly

481
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: what the price that they're offering. It just doesn't it

482
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me. It's not worth while to me. So,

483
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, where where are some of those guys' mindsets at?

484
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: You know where where is their basement? You know, we

485
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: know where their sailing probably is. It's going to be

486
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: easy to find out, but where's their basement? Where's the floor?

487
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's I would think you're going to start

488
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: kicking tires. There's there's no doubt. You always have to

489
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: you have to find out which of those guys where

490
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: their mentality is, you know, and the only way you

491
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: can do it is pick up the phone and or

492
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, or if you do want to fly them somewhere,

493
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: or you fly somewhere or whatever. If there's that kind

494
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: of an interest, you have to you have to do

495
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: your due diligence, that's for sure. And I'm sure they're

496
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: in the process of deciding that right now and trying

497
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: to explore who the more of liable candidates might be

498
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: of that list of guys you're talking about, all right.

499
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: Speaking of contracts, the Bengals have historically extended the contract

500
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: of their key players as they go into the final

501
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 1: year of their current deal and other words, don't let

502
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: them become free agents. They did that last year with

503
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,239
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon. It often happens in training camp, and the

504
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: most obvious candidates when camp begins are Jesse Bates and

505
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard. Will it happen with either or both? In

506
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: your opinion? I think if I think it's definitely going

507
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: to happen with one, I'd be shocked if it doesn't

508
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: happen with one of them. And I think there's a

509
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: chance it could happen with both. I really I really

510
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: believe that that those two components, those two players are

511
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: are big pieces or what they're you know, what they're

512
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: trying to keep intact and then build around. And you

513
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: think about it, those are the only two guys left

514
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: from like three years ago. You know that the starters,

515
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: they've turned everything else over. Everybody else's is either a

516
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: more recent draft pick or signed a veteran free agency

517
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: in the last couple of offseasons. So though those two

518
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: guys are definitely the type of players that the Bengals

519
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: would target for this kind of thing for sure, and

520
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: it would not it would not surprise me if they're

521
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: both under contract once training camp is underway at some

522
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: point in time, or you know, in during the course

523
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: of one of the three preseason games there was an

524
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: announcement made, or even before camp, Like you said, what

525
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: would surprise me is if neither one of them are

526
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: extended before the regular season starts. That would be a

527
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: pretty more than a mile surprise to me. I think

528
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: it's going to happen with both. Maybe I'm just being

529
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: overly optimistic. I don't know, but it just seems to

530
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: me that they've got the room to do it. They've

531
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: set their cap situation up well in order to be

532
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: able to extend those guys, and I think they feel

533
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: that they are very important the culture that Zach Taylor

534
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: has created. I agree with you, Dan, And the philosophy

535
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: of the team has always been and really the last

536
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: two offseasons it's been against that norm of rather would

537
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: sign guys that have proven themselves that they drafted in

538
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: the process developing, would like to continue along that path,

539
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: then bring somebody else in, somebody else's guy and try

540
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: to fit him into your scheme and your philosophy and

541
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: all that sort of thing. The Bengals historically have liked

542
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: to try to reward their own and build a culture

543
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: like you're talking about. And these two guys are you know,

544
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: are big on that side of the football defensefully for

545
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: that part of it. So yeah, I'd I'd be pretty

546
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: surprised if at least one isn't done pretty quickly, and

547
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: then both before the start of the regular season. I

548
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: agree with you. We were allowed to watch four practices

549
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: this month. What were some of the things that stood

550
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: out to you. I think that showing up is one thing,

551
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: but showing up and going to work is the next thing.

552
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: And what what stood out to me is I'd be

553
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if anybody in the league got not

554
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: only better attend or at tennis that was better than

555
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: what the Bengals had. From a participation standpoint, I think

556
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: they might have been about amongst the best, if not

557
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: the best. But what they did when they showed up,

558
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't just I'm here. You know, that's done. I'm

559
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: gonna not go through the motions, but I'm just, you

560
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: know whatever, I'm just here to be here. They were

561
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: Paul Brown used to call it in the spirit of it,

562
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: and they were definitely in the spirit of it. You know,

563
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: you've got to be in the spirit of going out

564
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: and working and getting better and be with your teammates

565
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: and all the things that are are what you try

566
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: to get done in these offseason programs, and they were.

567
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I was. I was impressed with the level of enthusiasm,

568
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: the level of activity. Um, you know, I do think

569
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: that it wasn't burdensome with with the with the OTAs.

570
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: They couldn't even do any eleven on eleven team. You

571
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: know that the seven on seven was done one time

572
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: and the very last OTA they had a seven on

573
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: seven where you know, defensive backs went against receivers, and

574
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: linebackers went against tight ends and uh and backside of

575
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: the back film all that sort of thing um. The

576
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: only time that they were allowed to go eleven on

577
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: eleven offense against defense was in the one day of

578
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: the mini camp that they had, the mandatory mini camp,

579
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, and that's because the players at that point

580
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: in time, they're on the coaches time. Now, the coaches

581
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: league directives. The league still you know, had some requirements,

582
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: don't overdo it when you do the team and all

583
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: that sort of thing um. And teams have been fine,

584
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: and they've been fine draft picks for being too physical

585
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: during mini camps, mandatory mini camps and so forth. Now,

586
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: so the league is is player safety is a you know,

587
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: a big factor and a big issue. But I do

588
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: think that what they were asked to do, they were

589
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: doing it at an all out level. I mean, there

590
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 1: was there was no you know, coasting, no you know, uh,

591
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go half speed. So I'm letting

592
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: you know I'm going half speed. You go half speed

593
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: against me? None of that, you know, playing Uh, let's

594
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: let's just dance through this workout. It was pretty good work.

595
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: And that's what impressed me is the is the level

596
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: of level of interest, the level of activity, um, the

597
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: level of commitment. All of that was was a big,

598
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: big deal considering that everybody was out there, and I

599
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: think they I think they made some advancement. Stand you know,

600
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: it's it's seeing it on the board is one thing,

601
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: But being out in the field, breaking the huddle and

602
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: lining up and making adjustments with teammates on the field

603
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: as things unfold in front of you, there's no substitute

604
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: for it. And I think they got quite a few

605
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: workouts in that way. The biggest thing that stood out

606
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: to me was how much Joe Burrow did. They talked

607
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: about how cautious they were going to be, and they

608
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: were to a certain extent. But if you had asked

609
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: me prior to the OTAs what I expected to see

610
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: out of Joe Burrow, I thought he would be there.

611
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: I thought he would throw some passes to the wide receivers,

612
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: and then I think I probably expected to see him

613
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: more on the rehab field. But he basically took part

614
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: in just about everything. They kept him out of the

615
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven stuff in that final mandatory or only

616
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: mandatory minicamp practice when there are defensive lineman and offensive

617
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: lineman engaged just in case somebody trips or something like that.

618
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean, he was rolling out

619
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: left and right, running forward and you know, to lead

620
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: the drills as we talked about in our last podcast,

621
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: maybe not sprinting one hundred percent, but moving well and

622
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: giving us all a lot of Optimis him in confidence

623
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: that he'll be able to answer the bell for the

624
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: season opener. Yeah, And I think I think basically he

625
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: put his individual rehab on hold as such. You know,

626
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: he said, okay, because I think a lot of teammates

627
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: expected what you're talking to describing Dan. I think they

628
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: expected him to be out there and doing some things

629
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: and showing support, but still doing rehab things with guys

630
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: that were on the rehab field, you know, like the

631
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive lineman, DJ reader, Ronelle Wren, you know,

632
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: and Trey Hopkins and the guys that were rehabbing. I

633
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: think they expected a mix like that. But his whole

634
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: thing was no, I tried to work with Jesse Bates

635
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: and others trying to get everybody here. So since I

636
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: did that, I'm doing everything I'm doing as much as

637
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: I can, like you guys are. And I think that's

638
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: a big statement by him. And basically, you know, he said,

639
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still eighty five percent. I told you

640
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: I was eighty five percent at the beginning of this process,

641
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: and this month rehabs on hold, I'm still eighty five percent.

642
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Now they'll go back to work with Nick Cosgrey and

643
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: and and you know, get right back to the the

644
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: finer points of rehab and finish off and come as

645
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: close as he can to one hundred percent as quickly

646
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: as he can for training camp. So I think that

647
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: that was intentional obviously, and him him just being a

648
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, a leader and proving that he wants to

649
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: step up to his leadership game in every play shape

650
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: or form that he can. I think from watching those practices,

651
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: I have also identified what I now consider to be

652
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: the Bengals biggest question mark and or potential weakness. And

653
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: believe it or not, it's not the offensive line. Here's

654
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: what I think is the biggest question mark. Do the

655
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: Bengals have a game changing player on defense? Because I

656
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: think the defense is much better, but I'm not sure

657
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: I see a guy there that's going to get that

658
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: sack or force a fumble or come up with interception

659
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: when the game's on the line in the fourth quarter. Yeah,

660
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I think you know, you're looking for somebody to uh,

661
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: you know, to be a playmaker when when you have

662
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: to have somebody step up and create a game changing opportunity.

663
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Who is that guy going to be? I agree with you.

664
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: I think they do have, um, you know, very very

665
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: talented guys as a group. I think they got effort guys.

666
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: I would never question the effort that I've seen, you know,

667
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: at this point in time, obviously from Sam Hubbard Hendrickson,

668
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: the Age Brothers and and others. I wouldn't question their

669
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: effort whatsoever. Um. I hope I hope the guy that

670
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: uh that that continues along the path he's continuing on,

671
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: and I think his teammates are starting to think that

672
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: he might be This guy would be would be Jesse,

673
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, being the ball hawk Jesse Bates, the ball

674
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: hockey safety type guy that that quarterbacks are really going

675
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: to have to look out for. They're gonna have to,

676
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, keep one eyeball on at all times. But yeah,

677
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: who is who is the guy when when you break

678
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: the huddle, come to the line of scrimmage as an

679
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: offensive line, where is he? Okay, where you know what?

680
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: Where Where's where's lt? You always had to identify where's this?

681
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: Where's the guy that we have to take an extra

682
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: precaution and put an extra body on and make sure

683
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: we take care of him. You know, when you break

684
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, come up to break the huddle,

685
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: come up to the line of scrimmage. Where is the guy?

686
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: For the Bengals, I agree with you, who is the

687
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 1: guy who's going to step up and be that guy?

688
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: And really, from a lineman standpoint, I mean the safety

689
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: and all that, that's that's the quarterback and receiver's issue,

690
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, unless he's a guy that mixes it up

691
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: and and as a heavy and blitz packages or whatever,

692
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: um you know, and that's why, you know, part of

693
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: me says, well, you know, maybe maybe it's somebody like

694
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: like Mike Hilton who who can do so many different things.

695
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: Maybe is he the guy that you're gonna have to

696
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: come up to the line of scrimmage as a team

697
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: and say, identify where as Hilton? Because this guy blitz

698
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: is from everywhere and he's capable of, you know, staying

699
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: in coverage. He might be somebody that that's going to

700
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: come free if we don't assign an extra body to him,

701
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: or if we don't have an extra body quarterback change

702
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: formation because he's on the edge of the defense and formation,

703
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna you know, high percentage of blitz. Now you

704
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: have to start to account form. And if you've got

705
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: a guy like that, a chess piece like that, did

706
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: you make the offense have to adjust to you know,

707
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: you're punching and their counterpunching. That's what you're trying to

708
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: get done for sure. Or maybe this is a defense

709
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't have a guy, but it's counting on a

710
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: different guy in every game. So it's Hilton one game,

711
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: it's Hendrickson and another it's Jesse Bates in another. As

712
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: opposed to having that Miles Garrett T. J. Watt kind

713
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: of guy that when the game is on the line,

714
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: that's the guy that that typically makes the play. Yeah,

715
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: and the defense that comes to mind a little bit

716
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: when you're talking describing what you just talked about, Dan,

717
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins defense of the perfect season. You know,

718
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: there wasn't like, oh, here's this perennial problem. They had

719
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys. You know that Wanta Contie was

720
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: a really good linebacker, Standfill was really good defensive line.

721
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: But they weren't like, oh my gosh, you know, some

722
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: of the best players ever. But they had a you know,

723
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Dick Anderson on the back end, and they they had

724
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: players that very very smart, always where they were supposed

725
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: to be when they were supposed to be there, understood

726
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: the whole defensive structure and h concepts, you know, as

727
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: well as anybody could. And maybe maybe it's going to

728
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: be that type of defense that you know is boy,

729
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: nobody's ever not where they're supposed to be. These guys

730
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: are always they're lined up right. Nobody's lining up if

731
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: you if you line up wrong, you're you're beating before

732
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: the snap of the football. That's the first thing you

733
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: have to do to make sure a big gets lined

734
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: up right. And those guys were always lined up right.

735
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: And then if you change the strength and formation, do whatever.

736
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: They always made the right adjustments and they were always

737
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: hit the right gap. You know, they were where they

738
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there.

739
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: And if you can get that done with everybody on

740
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: the defensive side, of the football. You're way ahead of

741
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: the game. I'm tempted to call the OTAs and the

742
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: abbreviated mini camp camp kumbayah because there seems to be

743
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: such a spirit of harmony and unity. Do you feel

744
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: the same way? And is that Zach Taylor? Is that

745
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow? What accounts for that? Yeah? I think I

746
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: think it's hum There's a big proliferation, There's no question

747
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: about it. And the thing too is you look at

748
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: there's quite a few new coaches on the staff, you know,

749
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: and and they were all part of that, I think

750
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: as well. So I think I think Zach is really, um,

751
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: really doing everything he possibly can to to bond his

752
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: coaching staff. I think they're doing thing outside of the

753
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: office as such, you know, and and really trying to

754
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: grow together and become a very tight knit group as

755
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: far as the coaching staff goes. And then that that

756
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: trickles down to the to the players, and um, you've

757
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: already mentioned guys from a players standpoint, Um, you know,

758
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: Joe Barrow offensively, Jesse Bates defensively, the quarterback and the

759
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: quarterback of the defense as such, I think that those

760
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: are two guys in pivotal places that that are important,

761
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: and I think that they're up to the task of

762
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: creating a you know, we are family type atmosphere that

763
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Pirates, you know, talked about that. Honestly, it's

764
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a situation where I said this a

765
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: few times. The teams in the eighties that went to

766
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl best players were amongst the best people.

767
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: And when you have that, that's energistic effect. You got

768
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: something special. When your best players are jerks, you got trouble.

769
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: When your best players are special people, you got big

770
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: success possibilities. And I think I think that's what that's

771
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: what this team is starting to evolve to. You know,

772
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: I think they're better. Players, are all top shelf, high

773
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: quality people for sure. This is the first time in

774
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: Zach's three years that none of the kind of vocal

775
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: veterans from the Marvin Lewis era remain. Carlos Dunlap and

776
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: Sean Williams are gone. AJ Green and Geno Atkins weren't vocal,

777
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: but they obviously had a huge presence because of who

778
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: they were. I don't think that Zach had an issue

779
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: with anybody but Carlos, but did guys like that have

780
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: to go for the younger guys that you were referring

781
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: to to step up and lead? Yeah, I think I

782
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: think that, Uh, you know, Sean Williams, I think coaches, teammates,

783
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: He was the kind of guy that was all in

784
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, everybody appreciate and love what

785
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: what Sean Williams brought to the table. Like you said,

786
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Gino and AJ, they were leaders by example, not by

787
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: you know, word, There were leaders by action, not by

788
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: spoken word. Um. And then you know, Carlos obviously had

789
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: had his issues down the stretch there that turned into

790
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, something that just couldn't be couldn't be resolved,

791
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: couldn't be handled on either either sides, to either side satisfaction.

792
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: But I do think that that there were guys ready

793
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: to take over, you know, some of those h some

794
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: of those roles. And it's going to be interesting to

795
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: see how some of these young players what they turn

796
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: out to be. Are they going to be guys that

797
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: play really well and don't have a whole lot to

798
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: say but let their play speak for themselves, or are

799
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: they going to be guys that are you know, more

800
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: more vocal or somewhere in between. And it's interesting some guys,

801
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, you talk to teammates they played with in

802
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: college and it's like, you're kidding me. In college, man,

803
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: he was rah rah, he was vocally was this, he

804
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: was that. Sometimes you get to the next level and

805
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: it's like, man, you're so like overwhelmed by how good

806
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: everybody is that you just I'm not going to speak

807
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: unless spoken to. I'm just going to try to do

808
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: the best job I can and survive in advance in

809
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: terms on a day to day basis, and try to

810
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: play as well as I can. And then other times,

811
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, guys develop at different rates, you know, and

812
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a guy that was, you know,

813
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: a good player in college gets an opportunity to grow

814
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: and physically mature and all that becomes an even better

815
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: player at the NFL level. And he maybe was quiet,

816
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: a quiet guy in college, it becomes a vocal guy,

817
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, as the mature as age wise and physical

818
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: presence wise and everything else. So it's going to be

819
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: interesting to see how some of these guys mature over

820
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: the next you know, five seven, eight years of their career,

821
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: like the AJ Greens and the Geno Atkins has did. So.

822
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: The summer vacation begins for the players as of today,

823
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: and it's a relatively easy time for the two of

824
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: us until training camp begins. Yes, what you got going on?

825
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: Do you have a little grand time, a grandkid time planned?

826
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: What's up for Dave Apple? Yeah, we do, got a

827
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of kids, a lot of time

828
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: spent with the grand kiddies. For sure. We're gonna head

829
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: down to Hilton Head. We've got twenty one people family,

830
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: both sides of the family here in Cincinnati and Saint Louis,

831
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: my wife Lynn's family as well as some of mine

832
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: going down to going down to Hilton Head. And we've

833
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: got nine children from age one to age nine, maybe

834
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: just turning ten. I think it might be. Yeah, Shamus's

835
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: birthday is while we're down there, he turns ten. So yeah,

836
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be almost like Camp Waconda down there with

837
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: all little ones. You know. I got a big old pool,

838
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: got a big house obviously with a dumb bunch of

839
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: bedroom and twenty one people total. Pull beach right, it's

840
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: run on the beach. So we're looking forward to it.

841
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun. Appreciate your time.

842
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: Talk to you soon. You're the best that's going to

843
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,840
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848
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