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Speaker 2: Here we go. MLB dot COM's Mandy Bell joining us

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Speaker 2: right now to talk about the Cleveland Guardians happy off season,

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Speaker 2: almost spring training to a Mandy and hope you're staying

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It's actually warm today. It's twenty two degrees.

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Speaker 2: Whoa there, you go?

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Speaker 1: Not bad?

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're gonna die.

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Speaker 4: Almost as warm as Florida.

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Speaker 2: Pretty close the morning there, the morning's yeah, we're almost there.

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Speaker 2: We'll spring training as soon.

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Speaker 4: You know what Joe Kim Noah said, what ain't nobody

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, did he say that?

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Speaker 4: As he said that one time when he was playing.

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Speaker 5: For the Bulls.

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Speaker 4: He said, Wow, So do you never hear about anybody

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we got to get Mandy back on track.

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Speaker 2: So Mandy, we're gonna hit storylines. Let's get to biz

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be watching Mandy, Carlos Santana and Josh

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not going to be the only one. I

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Speaker 5: Many an article you need to write is about how

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Speaker 5: Jose Ramirez will never age. You need to write it

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Speaker 1: This year he's going to be in the major leagues. Now,

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Speaker 3: How this is supposed to go.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Mandy, you're talking about veteran presence. We're gonna show

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Speaker 4: there's Tristan McKenzie. But where's Shane Bieber. Where is Shane Bieber?

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Speaker 4: Because he's not listed on their Is he healthy? I

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Speaker 3: He's not.

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Speaker 1: He's probably going to be second half. So that's why

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Speaker 1: great to bring Breether back. That was a huge pickup

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Speaker 1: But they have to bridge the gap to get to him.

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Speaker 1: You just have to bridge that gap to get there.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Mandy, this was awesome. Thank you for the download.

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Speaker 2: On the Cleveland Guardians, I felt like we didn't cover

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Speaker 4: I had the Yankees on the brink Man, they had

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Speaker 2: That's why it was a freaking cool year for Cleveland fans.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see if they can replicate it. Everyone give

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Speaker 2: Mandy a file on Twitter. She's at Mandy Bello two.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually wearing the Baseball's Best shirt today. Mandy's best

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Speaker 2: friend is Sarah Lang, so you can get more information

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Speaker 2: on her Twitter. You can always contribute to causes that

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Speaker 1: All of us.

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Speaker 2: So Mandy, great to see you, and we'll catch you

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Speaker 2: in spring training in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: All right, Thanks guys,