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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey thereon Welcome Back You Found the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcast with me, Tom Berducci and

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Speaker 1: Joe Madden and Joe, we're going to get to the

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Speaker 1: looming trade deadline coming up, and I especially want to

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Speaker 1: get your personal take on having gone through so many

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Speaker 1: of them yourself as a manager.

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Speaker 2: But speaking of managers, I think we need to.

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Speaker 1: Cap off the Hall of Fame induction Jim Leland going

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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, but first we have to

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Speaker 1: also congratulate the former players going in Todd Helton, Adrian

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Speaker 1: Beltray and Joe Mauer and Joe. I brought up Jim

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Speaker 1: Leland because, you know, listening to Jim and seeing some

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Speaker 1: of the old clips from Jim Leland, I got this

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Speaker 1: feeling that kind of the last of a breed going in.

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Speaker 1: I mean the famous clip of Jim airing out Barry Bonds,

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Speaker 2: Player on his team.

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Speaker 1: It's spring training on the field with cameras there, and

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Speaker 1: so the stories players told about some of his famous

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Speaker 1: clubhouse meetings. My favorite one was Jim Leland telling his

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Speaker 1: guys after another tough loss.

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Speaker 2: I think he was with Detroit at the time.

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Speaker 1: When you guys leave here, you might get arrested for

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Speaker 1: impersonating major league ballplayers. I mean, come on, Joe, guys

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Speaker 1: couldn't do that. I wouldn't dare to do something like

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Speaker 1: that now. So first of all, give me your take

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Speaker 1: Jim Leland, why he's a Hall of Famer and whether

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Speaker 1: that style could work at all today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean I got introduced to Jimmy primarily through Don

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Speaker 4: Zimmer years ago.

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Speaker 3: Zim and Jim were very close.

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Speaker 4: And then of course I worked against him and I

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Speaker 4: watched him, et cetera. And he did it the right way.

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Speaker 4: I think the way he came up through the ranks,

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Speaker 4: how he served as a third base coach in the

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Speaker 4: big leagues, I became a manager, and he took a

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh team that was kind of nowhere, and eventually they

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Speaker 4: became very good. When's this World Series in Miami, and

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Speaker 4: then eventually gets at Troyton, does a great job there too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he just every stop he went to know

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Speaker 4: there was some badgers just when you're rebuilding, you're going

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Speaker 4: I mean he's his impact everywhere he went as obvious,

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Speaker 4: and the impact was there because I believe of Jim Leland,

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Speaker 4: because of who he is, how he conducted himself, his personality,

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Speaker 4: the charisma that he generated, his baseball acumen, his fearlessness,

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Speaker 4: all these things were at working on display whenever this

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Speaker 4: weirded out that morning. I mean, I got to manage

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Speaker 4: against Jim Leland today. That's all I could think about.

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Speaker 4: And I remember they put a hit and run play

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Speaker 4: There was a bullet hit passed him into right field.

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Speaker 4: Just little things like that that he made you stay

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Speaker 4: on your toes, you know, like the saying goes just

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Speaker 4: never missed anything. But again, and just like you said,

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Speaker 4: the relating of the story about impersonating major league baseball players,

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Speaker 4: straight up man my best mentors, coaches, managers, whatever that

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Speaker 3: To you'd have to diick skin and be willing.

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Speaker 4: To absorb some of that stuff. Funny. I mean it

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Speaker 4: at the same time. So it's you're right, it's not

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Speaker 4: It's the end of an era. I'm so happy for

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Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, he's in the

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Speaker 1: That's well said, and I will point this out that

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Speaker 1: Series as a manager. Jim Leland, by the way, only

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Speaker 1: Joe McCarthy won more games as a major league manager

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Speaker 1: won more than seventeen hundred games. Joe, your win total

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Speaker 1: There's no question about it.

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Speaker 2: And Jim, like you. Joe talked about.

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Speaker 1: All those years in the minor leagues and the fact

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Speaker 1: to run a game. And when I think of Jim Leland,

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Speaker 1: I think of two things. Number one, and you hit

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Speaker 1: players connected to him. And I think that's why he

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Speaker 2: Vents on his players. And the other thing is the

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Speaker 1: Jim Leland was one of the guys who taught me

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Speaker 1: early on that the manager's job is to put people

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Speaker 1: teams did not have a lockdown closer sort of like

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Speaker 1: you as well, Joe, that you know, it wasn't paint

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Speaker 2: He had to mix a match.

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Speaker 1: He had to find the Stanbo Linda's of the world

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Speaker 1: to end a game. And I always thought it was

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Speaker 1: interesting that, you know, whether it was asking guys who

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing that you said, prepared to run the game.

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Speaker 4: A that's the thing about managing and coaching in the

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Speaker 4: Not done anymore. It's not done anymore. A lot of

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Speaker 4: I'm sure Jimmy would say the same thing. I can't

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Speaker 4: even imagine. I cannot even imagine that. Again, like jim

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Speaker 4: So that is absolutely true. I really wish that that

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Speaker 4: You're going to see everything from A to Z and

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Speaker 3: That was last year, your senior year in high school.

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Speaker 4: All your buddies are doing something different, the places you

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Speaker 4: I promise you, if you go home right now, you're

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Speaker 3: It's all been ready made.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's almost like looking in a recipe book,

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Speaker 3: The fact that I hadn't played there.

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Speaker 4: Those are the kind of things that I'd like to

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Speaker 1: It's all good points, Joe, and I'll have one more

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Speaker 1: thing that you know why we can't have another Jim

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Speaker 3: It's not like I'm banging on anybody.

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Speaker 4: I'm not. But this is part of what occurs right now.

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Speaker 4: That is why mediocrity is occurring, because everybody's working off

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll add one more to that after listening

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame inductions, Joe, I just want to get

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Speaker 1: and Todd Helton. Why do I bring that up. I

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Speaker 2: He just never gave ground on left handed pitching. The

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Speaker 1: We all know that, but I think that's a level

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Speaker 4: No question. Just a tough tough out. The best way

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Speaker 4: He was always there. That that guy was always there

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Speaker 4: Yeah. There's such a competitive component to him. And I

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Speaker 3: With the delivery where the ball is coming from.

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Speaker 4: How big he was, how tall he was, and how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and not just and then hit two seventy one

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Speaker 4: I coached third base with a cup. I never got

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Speaker 4: That's that borders on insanity. You remember him, of course

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Speaker 4: I don't know you've seen anybody as good as him

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Speaker 4: Not everybody does. Some guys do it. They like to

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Speaker 3: And I think he was able to do that.

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Speaker 4: But one of the most accurate, incredibly sound fielding third

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Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, that play you mentioned and I

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Speaker 2: And that's the way his body worked. And I just

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Speaker 1: I think that says a lot about Joe Mauer the person,

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Speaker 4: First of all, that sounds awful, but okay, and I

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Speaker 4: Before that, I thought it was Pudge Rodriguez.

438
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Speaker 3: Then it became Joe Mauer.

439
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Speaker 4: And when his catching skills were still in place and

440
00:21:04,478 --> 00:21:07,518
Speaker 4: he's able to move, God, he was so good at throwing.

441
00:21:07,598 --> 00:21:11,438
Speaker 4: He was very strong arm, quick arm, very accurate arm.

442
00:21:11,478 --> 00:21:14,638
Speaker 4: Not even talking about his offense right now, but he

443
00:21:14,678 --> 00:21:17,358
Speaker 4: was a really good receiver, and it appeared as though

444
00:21:17,358 --> 00:21:19,318
Speaker 4: he had command of his pitching staffs. And he had

445
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Speaker 4: this like this real comfortable personality about him. I don't

446
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Speaker 4: know what he was like in a clubhouse or in

447
00:21:26,238 --> 00:21:28,958
Speaker 4: a meeting, but on the field, these seemed.

448
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Speaker 3: To be always in control of his emotions.

449
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Speaker 4: And I think the pitcher's kind of dug on that

450
00:21:33,038 --> 00:21:36,158
Speaker 4: offensively couldn't get him out. I mean, because he went

451
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Speaker 4: from line to line. He was hard to really pitch to.

452
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Speaker 4: And he was hard in a difficult moment because he

453
00:21:42,278 --> 00:21:44,998
Speaker 4: was going to concede and do different things based on

454
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Speaker 4: what the pitcher was giving him, which I always appreciated

455
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Speaker 4: about him too. So a really complete baseball player. I

456
00:21:51,318 --> 00:21:53,878
Speaker 4: know he moved the first base eventually. I thought, once

457
00:21:53,918 --> 00:21:57,038
Speaker 4: that happened, is part of his value diminished at that point.

458
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Speaker 4: But when he was behind the plate man number one,

459
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Speaker 4: number one pick for me to start a franchise.

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Speaker 2: It's high praise.

461
00:22:03,238 --> 00:22:06,278
Speaker 1: Indeed, by the way Joe Mauer and Todd Helton, I

462
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Speaker 1: think the number now is fifty three, the number of

463
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famers who never played for another team.

464
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Speaker 2: One team. I mean, that is ideal, doesn't happen often.

465
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Speaker 1: But speaking of guys switching teams, when we get back

466
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Speaker 1: here on the Book of Joe podcast, we're going to

467
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Speaker 1: talk about the teams that will drive the trade deadline,

468
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Speaker 1: not necessarily the players, but what teams are holding the

469
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Speaker 1: cards the trade deadline goes through. Well, we'll tell you

470
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Speaker 1: which teams coming up next.

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Speaker 3: Joe.

472
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Speaker 1: It's trade deadline time, and last year, I guess you

473
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Speaker 1: would say it went through the New York Mets because

474
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Speaker 1: they dropped out of the race and basically put everybody

475
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Speaker 1: out of the market and moved everybody. We're talking about

476
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Speaker 1: Max Schurzer, Justin Verlander, Tommy fam Mark Canna, David Robertson

477
00:23:00,358 --> 00:23:04,278
Speaker 1: some really good pieces, and they were very active kind

478
00:23:04,278 --> 00:23:06,758
Speaker 1: of restock their farm system. I think they took advantage

479
00:23:06,758 --> 00:23:09,078
Speaker 1: of that opportunity and did pretty well.

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Speaker 2: This year.

481
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Speaker 1: I would say that Joe the team to watch in

482
00:23:13,398 --> 00:23:16,318
Speaker 1: a similar vein the Chicago White Sox, which is crazy

483
00:23:16,358 --> 00:23:19,558
Speaker 1: because last year, you know, they moved Lucas Gielito over

484
00:23:19,638 --> 00:23:22,398
Speaker 1: in a the Lopez Lance Lynn, Joe Kelly, and here

485
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Speaker 1: they are again.

486
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Speaker 2: Do they move Garrett Crochet? Do they move Luis Robert?

487
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Speaker 1: I mean, they've got Eric Fetti, They've got a lot

488
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Speaker 1: of interesting parts there.

489
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Speaker 2: And Tommy fam again.

490
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Speaker 1: And I do think that they should be active Joe,

491
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Speaker 1: because yes, you can say we can move these guys

492
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Speaker 1: in the offseason. There's no urgency to move them now.

493
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Speaker 1: But I think it's a seller's market. You've got so

494
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Speaker 1: many teams in the playoff mix here and not very

495
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Speaker 1: many sellers. And if I'm one of these playoff teams,

496
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Speaker 1: I want, for instance, Garrett Crochet not just for this year,

497
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Speaker 1: but for the next two postseason runs. So that's an

498
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Speaker 1: extra postseason run you get with a guy like Garrett Crochet.

499
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Speaker 1: So I think Chris gets the White Sox. They're under

500
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Speaker 1: the gun a little bit here. It's easy to say

501
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Speaker 1: we don't have to move them, but I think the

502
00:24:09,918 --> 00:24:12,398
Speaker 1: timing makes it more important to move them now.

503
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Speaker 2: So give me your take on the Chicago White Sox.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and beyond all of that, what is it

505
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Speaker 4: like to be on a team that absorbs that much

506
00:24:21,518 --> 00:24:25,118
Speaker 4: losing and the psyche of the player himself? I mean,

507
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Speaker 4: is it reasonable to believe that we're going to be

508
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Speaker 4: able to rebuild with the same players that are going

509
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Speaker 4: to be a part of a team that is rivaling

510
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Speaker 4: the early Mets teams in the sixties when they lost

511
00:24:37,598 --> 00:24:40,438
Speaker 4: so many games. There's a part of it, man, I

512
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Speaker 4: would be concerned with. I would be concerned with I

513
00:24:44,118 --> 00:24:46,878
Speaker 4: have to really be judicious and regarding who I thought

514
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Speaker 4: could withstand at who I absolutely believe cannot we cannot

515
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Speaker 4: live without. But otherwise I would open it up absolutely.

516
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Speaker 4: I don't even can imagine what their strategy is right now.

517
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Speaker 4: It almost seems you know that they really I don't

518
00:25:01,518 --> 00:25:04,198
Speaker 4: want to say, don't care, but they've accept that the

519
00:25:04,238 --> 00:25:05,918
Speaker 4: fact that we're going to be that bad. We don't

520
00:25:06,158 --> 00:25:08,238
Speaker 4: It doesn't really matter to us at this point. If

521
00:25:08,238 --> 00:25:11,918
Speaker 4: we said any kind of losing records but moving forward, Matt,

522
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Speaker 4: I would be just culturally. I'd be concerned with the

523
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Speaker 4: inner workings of this the manager and how he thinks

524
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Speaker 4: and his confidence. Listen, you know I'd absorbed one hundred

525
00:25:22,158 --> 00:25:24,998
Speaker 4: lost seasons with the Rays my first year and then

526
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Speaker 4: really close on the second years. Now, for me, quite frankly,

527
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Speaker 4: I felt I really thought strongly about what we were

528
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Speaker 4: doing and what I thought, and he didn't take it

529
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Speaker 4: personally necessarily. So these are the kind of thoughts as

530
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Speaker 4: a GM in the front office whatever, I have to

531
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Speaker 4: really understand that about my people. What is this, How

532
00:25:43,798 --> 00:25:48,558
Speaker 4: has this impacted you psychologically, your confidence, et cetera. So yes,

533
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Speaker 4: superficially on the surface, you'd have to the White Sox

534
00:25:52,438 --> 00:25:54,478
Speaker 4: should be wide open. They should be open for business

535
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Speaker 4: for some obvious like you talk about Crochet. But beyond that,

536
00:25:59,038 --> 00:26:01,158
Speaker 4: internally is what is it done to our group?

537
00:26:01,678 --> 00:26:03,318
Speaker 3: And is it? Is it?

538
00:26:03,678 --> 00:26:04,998
Speaker 4: How as long is it going to take us to

539
00:26:04,998 --> 00:26:08,318
Speaker 4: flip this culture? This is a magnificent number of losses

540
00:26:08,798 --> 00:26:10,598
Speaker 4: and to get back to the point where you have

541
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Speaker 4: self confidence and you feel good about yourself and you

542
00:26:13,558 --> 00:26:16,318
Speaker 4: know our strategies, our thoughts are just stay with them,

543
00:26:16,318 --> 00:26:18,518
Speaker 4: They're going to work. It takes a real strong person

544
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Speaker 4: to believe that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you do have to be honest

546
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Speaker 1: with where you're at. Like Garrett Crochet, you do have

547
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Speaker 1: him here for two years after this year, But is

548
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Speaker 1: that part of the White Sox championship window? Are they

549
00:26:29,598 --> 00:26:32,798
Speaker 1: going to be competing for championship in the next two No,

550
00:26:33,238 --> 00:26:34,998
Speaker 1: they have too far to go. In my book, so

551
00:26:35,758 --> 00:26:37,918
Speaker 1: you listen on Crochet. Here's the problem I see with

552
00:26:37,918 --> 00:26:40,998
Speaker 1: the Crochet Joe. I think they're valuing him as a

553
00:26:41,078 --> 00:26:43,598
Speaker 1: number one starter because that's the way he's pitched this year.

554
00:26:43,798 --> 00:26:46,798
Speaker 1: I mean, he has been lights out, but he's already

555
00:26:46,838 --> 00:26:49,478
Speaker 1: pitched more innings in a season than he ever has.

556
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Speaker 1: He's already had this Tommy John surgery, and I think

557
00:26:52,758 --> 00:26:57,718
Speaker 1: teams looking to trade for Garrett Crochet are concerned about

558
00:26:57,758 --> 00:26:59,758
Speaker 1: the innings he's thrown already and do they have to

559
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Speaker 1: massage that over the second the last two months of

560
00:27:02,118 --> 00:27:03,638
Speaker 1: the season, and then what is he when they get

561
00:27:03,678 --> 00:27:07,558
Speaker 1: to this seventh month. So I think the White Sox

562
00:27:07,678 --> 00:27:10,598
Speaker 1: the way they value Crochet and the way that a

563
00:27:10,638 --> 00:27:13,638
Speaker 1: trading partner values Crochet might not match up.

564
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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. But like you said, if there's a

565
00:27:16,358 --> 00:27:19,118
Speaker 4: long term component to him, if you feel assured that

566
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Speaker 4: you're going to be able to sign this guy long term,

567
00:27:21,798 --> 00:27:25,198
Speaker 4: or if my thought with him would be this too,

568
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Speaker 4: based on your innings pitch and the fact that he's

569
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Speaker 4: been really pitcher, et cetera. How about if a team

570
00:27:31,318 --> 00:27:33,518
Speaker 4: just needs some really help, really big help in the

571
00:27:33,558 --> 00:27:35,918
Speaker 4: bullpen right now, could you slot him back into bullpen

572
00:27:36,038 --> 00:27:38,158
Speaker 4: for the rest of this season, you know, just say,

573
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Speaker 4: you know, August, September, October, if the team legitimately has

574
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Speaker 4: a chance to go to the World Series, would you

575
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Speaker 4: then consider him something like that, consider him an opener

576
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Speaker 4: possibly under those circumstances where a team seeing the playoff

577
00:27:51,358 --> 00:27:55,078
Speaker 4: situation is going to face other teams with really good

578
00:27:55,158 --> 00:27:56,838
Speaker 4: left handed here is particularly at the top of the

579
00:27:56,878 --> 00:27:59,318
Speaker 4: batting order. Would you just open with him for several

580
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Speaker 4: innings and then move it along.

581
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Speaker 3: Is that a possibility?

582
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Speaker 4: I think you have to get creative because there is

583
00:28:04,318 --> 00:28:07,478
Speaker 4: something to that. If he's had TJ already and he's

584
00:28:07,518 --> 00:28:09,678
Speaker 4: not been a starter, and all of a sudden we're

585
00:28:09,718 --> 00:28:12,438
Speaker 4: putting this exceptional load on him, and things going to

586
00:28:12,518 --> 00:28:14,718
Speaker 4: ramp up internally mentally too when you get to that

587
00:28:14,798 --> 00:28:16,718
Speaker 4: part of the year, and then what's going to happen

588
00:28:16,798 --> 00:28:18,158
Speaker 4: off season going to the next season.

589
00:28:18,198 --> 00:28:20,558
Speaker 3: So there are legitimate concerns.

590
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Speaker 4: So I think the team that's going to acquire him

591
00:28:22,598 --> 00:28:25,918
Speaker 4: has to be thinking about that creatively this year and

592
00:28:25,958 --> 00:28:27,758
Speaker 4: how we're going to get the most out of him

593
00:28:27,838 --> 00:28:32,198
Speaker 4: right now and then hopefully into next year we could

594
00:28:32,318 --> 00:28:34,078
Speaker 4: reevaluate and get him stretched out again.

595
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Speaker 3: And know that he's going to be capable of doing more.

596
00:28:36,558 --> 00:28:39,678
Speaker 4: So I think this is the conversations about him are

597
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:43,158
Speaker 4: going to, like I said, include things other than just

598
00:28:43,238 --> 00:28:44,878
Speaker 4: be a starter for the rest of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I like the way you're thinking there, Joe, and I

601
00:28:47,198 --> 00:28:50,238
Speaker 1: think being creative is in play here. Even you mentioned

602
00:28:50,278 --> 00:28:53,718
Speaker 1: the possibility of opening or you know, maybe he's a

603
00:28:53,798 --> 00:28:56,078
Speaker 1: two inning bullpen guy for you just come in and

604
00:28:56,118 --> 00:28:57,638
Speaker 1: shut the game down and leave him out there and

605
00:28:57,718 --> 00:29:00,398
Speaker 1: finish the game. He can definitely do that. But again

606
00:29:00,478 --> 00:29:03,158
Speaker 1: the problem is, if I've got that on my radar,

607
00:29:03,958 --> 00:29:05,678
Speaker 1: then the price is not as high as trading for

608
00:29:05,678 --> 00:29:07,878
Speaker 1: a true number one starter who's going to start, you know,

609
00:29:07,958 --> 00:29:10,758
Speaker 1: game two of the postseason for you. So we'll see

610
00:29:10,798 --> 00:29:13,598
Speaker 1: how that aligns. Here's another team, Joe, I think who

611
00:29:13,638 --> 00:29:16,518
Speaker 1: the trade deadline goes through, not as obvious as White Sox,

612
00:29:16,558 --> 00:29:19,478
Speaker 1: and that's the Tampa Bay Rays. They're on the fringes

613
00:29:19,478 --> 00:29:22,118
Speaker 1: of the race here, and we know it's very tight,

614
00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:25,878
Speaker 1: especially in the American League East. You know, they're not

615
00:29:25,918 --> 00:29:28,878
Speaker 1: a great offensive team. They've been around five hundred for

616
00:29:28,918 --> 00:29:33,678
Speaker 1: most of the season, haven't really gotten truly hot. They've

617
00:29:33,718 --> 00:29:38,318
Speaker 1: already traded the Iron Savali and Phil Maton basically because

618
00:29:38,358 --> 00:29:40,198
Speaker 1: they had people coming back from injuries. I don't think

619
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Speaker 1: that was a signal that, hey, we're giving things up.

620
00:29:42,718 --> 00:29:45,918
Speaker 1: That was more about roster construction. But hey, they're looking

621
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Speaker 1: at you know, Randy Rosa, Reina, Zach Eflin, Peter Fairbanks,

622
00:29:49,998 --> 00:29:55,198
Speaker 1: East Sach Parades. They've got some really nice pieces and

623
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Speaker 1: we'll see where they go, Joe. But I think it

624
00:29:58,718 --> 00:30:01,758
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if the Rays try to thread the needle,

625
00:30:01,798 --> 00:30:05,318
Speaker 1: as the executives like to say, and move maybe not

626
00:30:05,398 --> 00:30:07,478
Speaker 1: all those guys, but maybe a guy like f One

627
00:30:07,518 --> 00:30:10,438
Speaker 1: who's got tremendous value in this market short of starting pitching,

628
00:30:10,998 --> 00:30:13,918
Speaker 1: uh and still hang in there in the race. You know,

629
00:30:14,278 --> 00:30:16,718
Speaker 1: they can do some unpredictable things there in Tampa.

630
00:30:16,798 --> 00:30:17,638
Speaker 2: We know that, Joe.

631
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Speaker 1: Give me your sense of where they are at the deadline,

632
00:30:20,478 --> 00:30:22,598
Speaker 1: how much they'll be a factor, DNA.

633
00:30:22,758 --> 00:30:26,558
Speaker 4: That's who they are, and I do believe that they'll

634
00:30:26,598 --> 00:30:30,478
Speaker 4: be very pragmatic trying to evaluate what's going to happen,

635
00:30:30,558 --> 00:30:33,758
Speaker 4: what they can possibly do this season, and obviously they're

636
00:30:33,798 --> 00:30:35,718
Speaker 4: always going to have their five year plan in place,

637
00:30:35,718 --> 00:30:37,398
Speaker 4: So I think that some of those guys will get

638
00:30:37,398 --> 00:30:40,998
Speaker 4: traded that you mentioned they're gonna have. They definitely have

639
00:30:41,078 --> 00:30:43,038
Speaker 4: one one on the present, but I think the stronger

640
00:30:43,598 --> 00:30:47,038
Speaker 4: eyes on the future. So I totally believe that a

641
00:30:47,038 --> 00:30:49,558
Speaker 4: lot of those names that you mentioned will be on

642
00:30:49,598 --> 00:30:50,118
Speaker 4: the market.

643
00:30:51,038 --> 00:30:52,958
Speaker 3: I see that for easily. I don't even know that.

644
00:30:53,278 --> 00:30:55,478
Speaker 4: They probably have some dudes in the minor leagues with

645
00:30:55,598 --> 00:30:58,638
Speaker 4: that we've heard very little about, but they like a

646
00:30:58,638 --> 00:31:01,158
Speaker 4: lot that are eventually going to surface. So yeah, I

647
00:31:01,198 --> 00:31:04,998
Speaker 4: think they are absolutely going to do something like that.

648
00:31:05,118 --> 00:31:07,878
Speaker 4: They'll be, like I said, very pragmatic, honest with themselves

649
00:31:08,198 --> 00:31:11,238
Speaker 4: in evaluating what's going on right now, and they always

650
00:31:11,358 --> 00:31:13,838
Speaker 4: always have to look into the future, look into that

651
00:31:13,878 --> 00:31:18,198
Speaker 4: crystal ball financially as well as athletically talent wise. So

652
00:31:18,518 --> 00:31:20,198
Speaker 4: I think they'd be a great trade partner and a

653
00:31:20,198 --> 00:31:22,278
Speaker 4: lot of those guys you just mentioned are going to

654
00:31:22,318 --> 00:31:23,398
Speaker 4: be out there absolutely.

655
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Speaker 1: Here's another one hard to get a read on Toronto

656
00:31:26,678 --> 00:31:29,238
Speaker 1: Blue Jays. Listen, they've got less than a one percent

657
00:31:29,358 --> 00:31:31,638
Speaker 1: chance of making the playoffs if you believe some of

658
00:31:32,518 --> 00:31:36,118
Speaker 1: those websites that track these things. Basically, it just tells

659
00:31:36,158 --> 00:31:38,358
Speaker 1: you that they're a long shot to be in the postseason.

660
00:31:38,398 --> 00:31:40,918
Speaker 1: They have not played well this year. I've always thought,

661
00:31:41,358 --> 00:31:43,038
Speaker 1: at least the last three or four years, Joe, the

662
00:31:43,118 --> 00:31:46,398
Speaker 1: team has been overrated. It's just not a really deep team.

663
00:31:46,878 --> 00:31:51,318
Speaker 1: And they've gone back even farther offensively this year. You know, listen,

664
00:31:51,358 --> 00:31:54,478
Speaker 1: they've spent four hundred million dollars to renovate that ballpark

665
00:31:54,518 --> 00:31:58,158
Speaker 1: there in Toronto. It's a big market team, it's built

666
00:31:58,238 --> 00:32:00,998
Speaker 1: a win. It does have a core of some young players,

667
00:32:01,118 --> 00:32:05,478
Speaker 1: especially Bobashett and lat Guerrero Junior. But they're going nowhere

668
00:32:05,558 --> 00:32:08,838
Speaker 1: right now. The key question for that front office now

669
00:32:08,958 --> 00:32:11,398
Speaker 1: is do they take advantage of this trade deadline to

670
00:32:11,478 --> 00:32:14,518
Speaker 1: pivot to something else. I'm not talking about a total rebuild,

671
00:32:16,118 --> 00:32:19,678
Speaker 1: but I think they're an interesting player because they've got

672
00:32:19,838 --> 00:32:22,878
Speaker 1: Chad Green and Emy Garcia in the bullpen, and I

673
00:32:22,918 --> 00:32:24,158
Speaker 1: think both of them will bring.

674
00:32:24,038 --> 00:32:25,318
Speaker 2: Back a lot of value.

675
00:32:25,918 --> 00:32:29,158
Speaker 1: You say, Kokuchi and the rotation is a rental starter

676
00:32:29,278 --> 00:32:32,638
Speaker 1: for somebody who could start a postseason game. And then

677
00:32:32,678 --> 00:32:35,998
Speaker 1: there's Lad Guerrero Junior. Bobaishet is hurt right now, so

678
00:32:36,078 --> 00:32:39,158
Speaker 1: that's not likely to happen. But here's my take on

679
00:32:39,318 --> 00:32:42,758
Speaker 1: Vlad Joe. I think he's too good to trade I

680
00:32:42,758 --> 00:32:46,198
Speaker 1: don't think you pull the plug right now on trading

681
00:32:46,358 --> 00:32:48,358
Speaker 1: a franchise hitter like that. To me, I think he

682
00:32:48,398 --> 00:32:50,798
Speaker 1: should play his entire career with the Toronto Blue Jays,

683
00:32:51,518 --> 00:32:53,558
Speaker 1: and I think you see if you get an extension

684
00:32:53,638 --> 00:32:56,238
Speaker 1: done this offseason. You know, after a slow start to

685
00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:58,078
Speaker 1: the year in April, he's had a really good year.

686
00:32:58,478 --> 00:33:01,038
Speaker 1: His bat to ball skills are extraordinary. I think there's

687
00:33:01,038 --> 00:33:03,198
Speaker 1: a lot of great baseball ahead of him. I just

688
00:33:03,278 --> 00:33:06,278
Speaker 1: don't think you trade a great young hitter like this

689
00:33:07,198 --> 00:33:09,678
Speaker 1: because you're having a down season. I think the minute

690
00:33:09,718 --> 00:33:12,518
Speaker 1: you trade Blad Guerrero Junior, you're looking for another Blad

691
00:33:12,518 --> 00:33:13,398
Speaker 1: Guerrero Junior.

692
00:33:13,998 --> 00:33:17,358
Speaker 2: So do I take him off the table totally? No.

693
00:33:17,518 --> 00:33:20,118
Speaker 1: I mean if somebody wants to completely overpay, I consider it,

694
00:33:20,758 --> 00:33:23,078
Speaker 1: But I would not be motivated to move a hitter

695
00:33:23,158 --> 00:33:23,638
Speaker 1: like Glad.

696
00:33:23,998 --> 00:33:27,038
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, everybody's looking for hitters, and furthermore, they

697
00:33:27,158 --> 00:33:30,518
Speaker 4: they're looking for hitters, so why would you just dump

698
00:33:30,558 --> 00:33:33,638
Speaker 4: them in a move right now that could be from

699
00:33:33,638 --> 00:33:36,838
Speaker 4: a distance, appears to be popular. We're trying to rebuild, pivot,

700
00:33:36,878 --> 00:33:39,278
Speaker 4: whatever the word might be, and so this is a

701
00:33:39,318 --> 00:33:43,638
Speaker 4: valuable chip. Let's move him. He's still young. Great DNA

702
00:33:43,718 --> 00:33:46,278
Speaker 4: with him. I use that twice. Another DNA component with

703
00:33:46,318 --> 00:33:50,758
Speaker 4: his daddy. Back to ball skills must be hereditary. He's young,

704
00:33:50,838 --> 00:33:54,958
Speaker 4: he's still going to get better. I think he cares. Yeah,

705
00:33:55,038 --> 00:33:56,598
Speaker 4: that'd be a hard one for me to move.

706
00:33:56,678 --> 00:33:57,358
Speaker 3: I agree with that.

707
00:33:57,398 --> 00:34:00,998
Speaker 4: The other pieces are more easily understandable. But beyond all

708
00:34:01,038 --> 00:34:05,798
Speaker 4: of that, it's just a method of play. And you'll

709
00:34:05,798 --> 00:34:07,278
Speaker 4: see a lot of good stuff out there. You see

710
00:34:07,318 --> 00:34:09,838
Speaker 4: a lot of athleticism out there. You see some guys

711
00:34:09,878 --> 00:34:12,358
Speaker 4: you really like out there, but it just hasn't worked.

712
00:34:12,398 --> 00:34:15,718
Speaker 4: I watched them play and I and like I've said

713
00:34:15,718 --> 00:34:20,278
Speaker 4: this before, the Blue Jays need a definite Blue Jay identity.

714
00:34:20,918 --> 00:34:22,918
Speaker 4: And back in the day when they were really good

715
00:34:22,958 --> 00:34:25,958
Speaker 4: in the nineties, my god, top to bottom, these guys

716
00:34:25,998 --> 00:34:27,878
Speaker 4: would just grind you to a halt. They were very good,

717
00:34:27,878 --> 00:34:31,718
Speaker 4: obviously talented, but you did not want to play in

718
00:34:31,718 --> 00:34:34,318
Speaker 4: that ballpark. That's one of those ballparks that should be

719
00:34:34,358 --> 00:34:37,958
Speaker 4: a home court advantage, just like the trop in Tampa

720
00:34:38,038 --> 00:34:41,158
Speaker 4: or Saint Petersburg, because it's a building that you don't

721
00:34:41,158 --> 00:34:43,798
Speaker 4: want to go into and it has its cavernous and

722
00:34:43,878 --> 00:34:46,638
Speaker 4: it's although I haven't seen that the redo up at

723
00:34:46,678 --> 00:34:49,358
Speaker 4: the Toronto yet, but there was always this you didn't

724
00:34:49,438 --> 00:34:51,718
Speaker 4: like walking in that door, and it should be a

725
00:34:51,718 --> 00:34:54,118
Speaker 4: home field advantage and they need to take advantage of that.

726
00:34:54,478 --> 00:34:57,278
Speaker 4: And I might suggestionly just be to really be aware

727
00:34:57,278 --> 00:34:59,478
Speaker 4: of creating an identity and how we're going to do this,

728
00:34:59,518 --> 00:35:02,718
Speaker 4: how we're going to play. Really, I would demand more

729
00:35:02,718 --> 00:35:05,598
Speaker 4: of the guys technically regarding their method of play and

730
00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:08,918
Speaker 4: tie it up. Just tying up that defense our base

731
00:35:08,958 --> 00:35:12,958
Speaker 4: when you just tighten it up. Because again, that ball

732
00:35:13,078 --> 00:35:15,518
Speaker 4: I used to call the trop the pit. I wanted

733
00:35:15,518 --> 00:35:18,358
Speaker 4: it to become the pit. And I thought we should

734
00:35:18,358 --> 00:35:21,878
Speaker 4: have an overwhelmingly good record in that ballpark because nobody

735
00:35:21,878 --> 00:35:23,918
Speaker 4: wants to walk in. I think we went up fifty

736
00:35:23,958 --> 00:35:27,038
Speaker 4: five games there one season leading into a playoff.

737
00:35:27,078 --> 00:35:27,198
Speaker 3: Yere.

738
00:35:27,518 --> 00:35:29,358
Speaker 4: So these are the kind of things I would focus

739
00:35:29,358 --> 00:35:31,558
Speaker 4: on if I were them, not necessarily training a vladder

740
00:35:31,598 --> 00:35:34,638
Speaker 4: or bow whatever they are, You're going to look for

741
00:35:34,678 --> 00:35:37,318
Speaker 4: those exact two same guys. If you got rid of them, you'd,

742
00:35:37,358 --> 00:35:39,838
Speaker 4: like you said, the bullpen pieces are much more amenable.

743
00:35:39,838 --> 00:35:42,198
Speaker 4: And Kakuchi Yahi saw him throw the other day. He

744
00:35:42,238 --> 00:35:45,758
Speaker 4: looked really good, I thought, but be really focused on

745
00:35:45,798 --> 00:35:47,238
Speaker 4: what are we doing here, and what are we trying

746
00:35:47,238 --> 00:35:48,598
Speaker 4: to get done here? And how are we going to

747
00:35:48,638 --> 00:35:50,958
Speaker 4: build this and to what are we going to demand

748
00:35:50,958 --> 00:35:54,358
Speaker 4: from our players? New ballpark in a sense really a

749
00:35:54,438 --> 00:35:56,998
Speaker 4: rabbit fan base when things are going well. Wonderful city.

750
00:35:57,398 --> 00:35:59,398
Speaker 4: So those are the kind of things for me when

751
00:35:59,438 --> 00:36:02,558
Speaker 4: I talk about Toronto that when I watch, I see

752
00:36:02,598 --> 00:36:05,278
Speaker 4: as being or lacking or missing.

753
00:36:05,798 --> 00:36:08,038
Speaker 2: Two more teams. We have to hit on the Dodgers

754
00:36:08,118 --> 00:36:09,198
Speaker 2: and the Yankees. First.

755
00:36:09,198 --> 00:36:12,998
Speaker 1: The Dodgers. Okay, I talked about last year. The Dodgers.

756
00:36:12,998 --> 00:36:15,318
Speaker 1: They were very active. They get Joe Kelly, they get

757
00:36:15,398 --> 00:36:23,918
Speaker 1: Lance Lynn, Enrique Hernandez, Ryan Yarborough, Ahmad Versario, all incremental pieces, right,

758
00:36:24,038 --> 00:36:26,478
Speaker 1: trying to find these little advantages, maybe fill.

759
00:36:26,318 --> 00:36:29,718
Speaker 2: In some holes. It really didn't work. It had no impact.

760
00:36:29,758 --> 00:36:32,718
Speaker 1: It was interesting to hear Andrew Friedman, who obviously you

761
00:36:32,758 --> 00:36:36,718
Speaker 1: know very well Joe, talk about how and Brandon Gome

762
00:36:36,798 --> 00:36:38,998
Speaker 1: said this the general manager, and you also had him

763
00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:42,638
Speaker 1: that they're looking for an impact pitcher. And I think

764
00:36:43,038 --> 00:36:45,398
Speaker 1: they feel like their system and they've seen some of

765
00:36:45,398 --> 00:36:47,918
Speaker 1: these young guys come up. They feel like, you know,

766
00:36:47,958 --> 00:36:50,838
Speaker 1: the incremental moves probably not better than what they have

767
00:36:50,958 --> 00:36:55,878
Speaker 1: on hand, but having someone of certainty in that rotation

768
00:36:56,038 --> 00:37:00,438
Speaker 1: with so many question marks about injuries is paramount. And

769
00:37:00,478 --> 00:37:03,718
Speaker 1: I know their number one choice is Trek Schoolbal Detroit Tigers.

770
00:37:03,918 --> 00:37:06,838
Speaker 1: Why not one of the best pitchers, and actually, since

771
00:37:07,278 --> 00:37:09,038
Speaker 1: the second half of last season, I think he's been

772
00:37:09,078 --> 00:37:11,078
Speaker 1: the best pitcher in baseball. You get two more years

773
00:37:11,118 --> 00:37:14,678
Speaker 1: of control after this one left handed throws up her nineties,

774
00:37:14,878 --> 00:37:19,078
Speaker 1: great command of the baseball. Why not, right, I'm not

775
00:37:19,198 --> 00:37:21,518
Speaker 1: sure the Tigers, well, I know they're not motivated to

776
00:37:21,558 --> 00:37:21,998
Speaker 1: move him.

777
00:37:22,238 --> 00:37:23,518
Speaker 2: You'd have to blow them away.

778
00:37:23,598 --> 00:37:25,918
Speaker 1: It's possible you could do that, and the Dodgers and

779
00:37:25,958 --> 00:37:27,718
Speaker 1: the Orioles are the two teams that have the farm

780
00:37:27,758 --> 00:37:28,598
Speaker 1: systems to do that.

781
00:37:30,038 --> 00:37:31,558
Speaker 2: It's probably not going to happen.

782
00:37:31,598 --> 00:37:33,878
Speaker 1: If you want to overpay, you can get Trek Schouball,

783
00:37:34,238 --> 00:37:37,478
Speaker 1: I believe that. I'm not sure that's in Andrew's DNA

784
00:37:37,598 --> 00:37:41,318
Speaker 1: to borrow your phrase. But the other choice is Crochet,

785
00:37:41,638 --> 00:37:43,478
Speaker 1: And you've got another picture kind of like a lot

786
00:37:43,518 --> 00:37:45,518
Speaker 1: of other guys you have where you have innings limits

787
00:37:45,558 --> 00:37:48,798
Speaker 1: on them. Let me get your take on the Dodgers

788
00:37:48,998 --> 00:37:52,358
Speaker 1: and with all their uncertainties about when Yamamoto comes back,

789
00:37:52,398 --> 00:37:55,838
Speaker 1: the innings of Tyler Glass now, Clayton Kershaw is now

790
00:37:55,878 --> 00:37:59,798
Speaker 1: coming back. Walker Buehler's really scuffled coming back from Tommy

791
00:37:59,878 --> 00:38:02,998
Speaker 1: John surgery. Bobby Miller is trying to reset mechanics in

792
00:38:03,078 --> 00:38:05,998
Speaker 1: his head and back on track. A lot of what

793
00:38:06,198 --> 00:38:09,078
Speaker 1: is with that rotation, and that's been their problem getting

794
00:38:09,118 --> 00:38:11,398
Speaker 1: bounced to the postseason the last couple of years. Do

795
00:38:11,478 --> 00:38:13,758
Speaker 1: you believe the Dodgers come out of this deadline with

796
00:38:13,798 --> 00:38:15,798
Speaker 1: either schoolball or Crochet?

797
00:38:16,558 --> 00:38:18,118
Speaker 3: I definitely believe they're being targeted.

798
00:38:18,318 --> 00:38:20,838
Speaker 4: Schooble to me, listen, I've been a first time I

799
00:38:20,838 --> 00:38:22,638
Speaker 4: saw the guy throw a baseball, I said, wow, who

800
00:38:22,718 --> 00:38:25,318
Speaker 4: is that? So I could totally understand. I haven't seen

801
00:38:25,398 --> 00:38:27,358
Speaker 4: him in a couple of years, but in person on

802
00:38:27,398 --> 00:38:31,318
Speaker 4: the field, that is nasty, good stuff, with a great attitude,

803
00:38:31,478 --> 00:38:34,958
Speaker 4: great mount presence. So I don't I mean, how many

804
00:38:34,998 --> 00:38:35,878
Speaker 4: years does he have left?

805
00:38:36,118 --> 00:38:37,798
Speaker 2: He's got two more after this as well.

806
00:38:37,838 --> 00:38:40,638
Speaker 1: So you got him for three Pennant races three yet

807
00:38:40,718 --> 00:38:42,398
Speaker 1: three octobers.

808
00:38:42,078 --> 00:38:43,878
Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, if I'm the troad, I

809
00:38:43,918 --> 00:38:46,358
Speaker 4: don't like that. I mean, this guy's that good. This

810
00:38:46,438 --> 00:38:48,478
Speaker 4: guy would rather build around him to get rid of him.

811
00:38:48,518 --> 00:38:52,278
Speaker 4: Personally Crochet. Again, the point with that was going to

812
00:38:52,278 --> 00:38:55,038
Speaker 4: be that you just mentioned all the Dodger pictures that

813
00:38:55,078 --> 00:38:56,718
Speaker 4: are on the men. I don't even know what their

814
00:38:56,798 --> 00:39:00,718
Speaker 4: due dates are. But they could then look at a

815
00:39:00,758 --> 00:39:04,558
Speaker 4: guy like Crochet and build around and fit around. Not

816
00:39:05,238 --> 00:39:07,998
Speaker 4: desire so many innings, but at least we talked about

817
00:39:08,038 --> 00:39:10,318
Speaker 4: the opener at least make me think of him as

818
00:39:10,358 --> 00:39:12,478
Speaker 4: a five inning guy for the rest of the season,

819
00:39:12,518 --> 00:39:14,798
Speaker 4: and then filling after him fill in the blank. So

820
00:39:14,878 --> 00:39:18,878
Speaker 4: that's again creativity, that's what they're gonna be thinking. I

821
00:39:18,878 --> 00:39:22,118
Speaker 4: know Gomer, Brandon, Golmes, I know Andrew of course, so

822
00:39:22,958 --> 00:39:25,518
Speaker 4: I would have to believe they're gonna go after school.

823
00:39:25,598 --> 00:39:27,918
Speaker 4: I agree with that, but I don't if I'm Scotti Harris,

824
00:39:27,918 --> 00:39:32,598
Speaker 4: I traded him, not not gonna do it. So Crochet's

825
00:39:32,718 --> 00:39:36,398
Speaker 4: more likely. But how about just Anderson down with the Angels.

826
00:39:36,438 --> 00:39:39,198
Speaker 4: I mean, I know he's not this dynamic name, but

827
00:39:39,518 --> 00:39:42,358
Speaker 4: this guy has been really really good, good two years ago,

828
00:39:42,558 --> 00:39:45,758
Speaker 4: toughyer last year, right now, he's been outstanding, and he's

829
00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:47,638
Speaker 4: been there before, right, he's been a Dodger before he

830
00:39:47,718 --> 00:39:51,758
Speaker 4: has So I mean, if that's the name to me,

831
00:39:51,918 --> 00:39:55,038
Speaker 4: that makes the most sense. I don't think that Perry

832
00:39:55,038 --> 00:39:57,358
Speaker 4: would be opposed to trading or I don't even know

833
00:39:57,398 --> 00:39:59,078
Speaker 4: if Artie would be. It would be already's called to

834
00:39:59,198 --> 00:40:02,598
Speaker 4: be trading within the city boundaries there. But that's a

835
00:40:02,598 --> 00:40:04,438
Speaker 4: guy I would go after if I'm in if I'm

836
00:40:04,438 --> 00:40:06,118
Speaker 4: in a race right now, he's having that kind of

837
00:40:06,118 --> 00:40:09,198
Speaker 4: a year and been kind of dynamic every game. He

838
00:40:09,278 --> 00:40:12,998
Speaker 4: pitches really low numbers on the other team. Spart hits

839
00:40:13,278 --> 00:40:15,918
Speaker 4: balls and play, he's got his strikeouts, et cetera. So

840
00:40:16,238 --> 00:40:19,078
Speaker 4: out of all these left handers, to me, Schooball, I

841
00:40:19,078 --> 00:40:22,478
Speaker 4: don't think is going to happen. Crochet comes with limitations,

842
00:40:22,478 --> 00:40:23,558
Speaker 4: Anderson might be the guy.

843
00:40:24,118 --> 00:40:27,678
Speaker 1: And finally, the New York Yankees, listen, they clearly missed

844
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:30,398
Speaker 1: John Carlos Stanton. We know about his injury history and

845
00:40:30,438 --> 00:40:33,238
Speaker 1: it's hard to count on him staying healthy. Once he

846
00:40:33,278 --> 00:40:35,438
Speaker 1: does come back to the lineup, he will make a difference.

847
00:40:35,478 --> 00:40:37,598
Speaker 1: But Joe, you see a lot of the Yankees. You

848
00:40:37,638 --> 00:40:39,678
Speaker 1: see how shallow that lineup is, and I think they're

849
00:40:39,678 --> 00:40:42,358
Speaker 1: in a very tough place because they continue to give

850
00:40:42,438 --> 00:40:48,558
Speaker 1: at bats to Labor Torres and DJ Lemayhew And I'm sorry,

851
00:40:48,638 --> 00:40:50,838
Speaker 1: it's just not happening with both of those guys. They've

852
00:40:50,878 --> 00:40:53,278
Speaker 1: getting very little production out of their infield this year,

853
00:40:53,478 --> 00:40:57,278
Speaker 1: like historically low. They need another bat, at least one

854
00:40:57,398 --> 00:41:00,238
Speaker 1: more bat in that lineup. I just don't see it

855
00:41:00,278 --> 00:41:03,718
Speaker 1: happening with DJ The bat speed just is not there, Torres,

856
00:41:04,078 --> 00:41:06,198
Speaker 1: it's the walk here or not. Just has not been

857
00:41:06,278 --> 00:41:10,878
Speaker 1: very productive on the offensive side. Where do the Yankees go?

858
00:41:10,958 --> 00:41:13,398
Speaker 1: You can talk about bullpen as well. I think they're starting.

859
00:41:13,438 --> 00:41:16,238
Speaker 1: Pitching is fine. Garrett Cale looks great, by the way, after,

860
00:41:16,798 --> 00:41:18,478
Speaker 1: you know, needing a couple of starts to get his

861
00:41:18,638 --> 00:41:19,558
Speaker 1: arm strength back.

862
00:41:20,078 --> 00:41:22,718
Speaker 2: But give me your take on the Yankees.

863
00:41:22,758 --> 00:41:25,958
Speaker 1: You saw that quote from Luis Sevarino joking about his

864
00:41:26,038 --> 00:41:28,318
Speaker 1: former team. Hey, they've got two guys there and so too,

865
00:41:28,358 --> 00:41:30,118
Speaker 1: and Judge I can walk around them and pitch to

866
00:41:30,158 --> 00:41:34,558
Speaker 1: everybody else. It pretty much encapsulates where the Yankees offense

867
00:41:34,678 --> 00:41:35,278
Speaker 1: is right now.

868
00:41:36,038 --> 00:41:38,998
Speaker 4: I'm living among so many Yankee fans here in Pennsylvania,

869
00:41:39,078 --> 00:41:41,758
Speaker 4: and I've been saying that to these guys for weeks.

870
00:41:41,838 --> 00:41:45,278
Speaker 4: Right now, it's true. You know, you just can't walk

871
00:41:45,318 --> 00:41:47,438
Speaker 4: away from the truth. It is true, and they do

872
00:41:47,478 --> 00:41:50,278
Speaker 4: need to do something offensively. I'm a big le Mayhew guy.

873
00:41:50,318 --> 00:41:52,878
Speaker 4: But gosh, I mean, he just lost the right side

874
00:41:52,878 --> 00:41:54,838
Speaker 4: of the field hard. If he could just regain that

875
00:41:55,438 --> 00:41:57,438
Speaker 4: too many rollover stuff. I don't even know what his

876
00:41:57,518 --> 00:41:59,878
Speaker 4: approach is, and maybe he's cheating a bit whatever, but

877
00:42:00,398 --> 00:42:02,398
Speaker 4: I saw him sting a ball to the second basement

878
00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:04,678
Speaker 4: yesterday which looked more like his. But he's got to

879
00:42:04,678 --> 00:42:06,038
Speaker 4: get back to that side of the field.

880
00:42:06,598 --> 00:42:07,558
Speaker 3: Gliber I don't know.

881
00:42:07,638 --> 00:42:09,198
Speaker 4: I mean when I had him as a kid, this

882
00:42:09,278 --> 00:42:12,198
Speaker 4: kid is a really nice person, but the game has

883
00:42:12,238 --> 00:42:16,078
Speaker 4: really fluctuated a bit, et cetera. So yeah, you got

884
00:42:16,118 --> 00:42:17,758
Speaker 4: to get a bat and an infield bad.

885
00:42:17,838 --> 00:42:20,598
Speaker 3: I mean again, I'm gonna go to my angel roots.

886
00:42:20,638 --> 00:42:23,958
Speaker 4: I mean, Luis Renhifo is having himself a pretty good season,

887
00:42:24,558 --> 00:42:26,358
Speaker 4: and he's a switch hitter and he can play all

888
00:42:26,358 --> 00:42:28,878
Speaker 4: over the place. He's a strong kid, he's a great kid,

889
00:42:29,278 --> 00:42:30,838
Speaker 4: and he's the kind of guy that can fit in

890
00:42:30,838 --> 00:42:31,518
Speaker 4: in a situation.

891
00:42:32,078 --> 00:42:32,998
Speaker 3: I think like that.

892
00:42:33,078 --> 00:42:35,438
Speaker 4: And again, I just without going through all the different

893
00:42:35,438 --> 00:42:37,358
Speaker 4: teams with the Eagles definitely should be in that mode

894
00:42:37,358 --> 00:42:41,678
Speaker 4: where they're gonna trade somebody. I like Grendifo. I like

895
00:42:41,678 --> 00:42:45,078
Speaker 4: Grendifo there because he could play third or second base

896
00:42:45,118 --> 00:42:45,398
Speaker 4: for them.

897
00:42:45,438 --> 00:42:46,278
Speaker 3: He could do either one.

898
00:42:46,318 --> 00:42:48,398
Speaker 4: He's a switch hitter, but I think he's been hitting

899
00:42:48,398 --> 00:42:50,838
Speaker 4: the ball really well right handed this year. He's got

900
00:42:50,878 --> 00:42:54,878
Speaker 4: some serious pop. He's not tall, but he's strong and

901
00:42:55,838 --> 00:42:57,278
Speaker 4: like I said, he's just a great kid. He could throw.

902
00:42:57,278 --> 00:42:59,038
Speaker 4: You could throw them in the outfield in a pinch also,

903
00:42:59,438 --> 00:43:01,558
Speaker 4: But that would be an interesting acquisition for me for

904
00:43:01,558 --> 00:43:04,678
Speaker 4: the Yankees. As Renhipo, his game has got better. He's

905
00:43:04,718 --> 00:43:07,158
Speaker 4: a guy that in the past meet he'd always mental

906
00:43:07,198 --> 00:43:08,918
Speaker 4: mistakes would pop up on him. I don't even know

907
00:43:08,918 --> 00:43:12,718
Speaker 4: what's going on more recently, but physically talent wise, there's

908
00:43:12,758 --> 00:43:15,398
Speaker 4: a lot of that in there. And as a guy

909
00:43:15,478 --> 00:43:18,238
Speaker 4: on a team, he fits in with any locker room.

910
00:43:18,278 --> 00:43:19,318
Speaker 3: He's a wonderful young man.

911
00:43:19,918 --> 00:43:22,518
Speaker 1: That's a great call. I had not heard that, not

912
00:43:22,598 --> 00:43:24,638
Speaker 1: thought of that. That's a really good fit. I like

913
00:43:24,718 --> 00:43:24,958
Speaker 1: that one.

914
00:43:25,038 --> 00:43:27,318
Speaker 2: Let's see if it happens. Hey, we're going to take

915
00:43:27,358 --> 00:43:28,118
Speaker 2: a quick break, Joe.

916
00:43:28,158 --> 00:43:29,798
Speaker 1: When we get back, I want to talk to you

917
00:43:29,878 --> 00:43:33,358
Speaker 1: about the manager's perspective of the trade deadline.

918
00:43:33,518 --> 00:43:35,078
Speaker 2: Should you be expecting moves?

919
00:43:35,198 --> 00:43:37,798
Speaker 1: What's it like running a clubhouse that makes moves or

920
00:43:37,918 --> 00:43:42,118
Speaker 1: doesn't make moves? Joe's hurt history with the deadline. We'll

921
00:43:42,118 --> 00:43:56,798
Speaker 1: talk about that right after this. So Joe, this time

922
00:43:56,838 --> 00:43:58,718
Speaker 1: of year, I don't know about you as a manager

923
00:43:58,758 --> 00:44:00,958
Speaker 1: if you thought about this, but covering the game, I

924
00:44:00,998 --> 00:44:03,438
Speaker 1: think about this a lot. On what the trade deadline

925
00:44:03,478 --> 00:44:05,758
Speaker 1: can do for a clubhouse. We saw when the Brewers

926
00:44:05,798 --> 00:44:10,958
Speaker 1: traded Josh Hater, when the Mariners traded Kendall Graveman. You know,

927
00:44:11,238 --> 00:44:13,518
Speaker 1: there can be a negative effect in the clubhouse when

928
00:44:13,558 --> 00:44:16,518
Speaker 1: you're subtracting players. On the flip side of that is,

929
00:44:16,518 --> 00:44:19,598
Speaker 1: sometimes when you add a big player, it does invigorate

930
00:44:19,638 --> 00:44:22,838
Speaker 1: a clubhouse. So you know, I went back and I

931
00:44:22,918 --> 00:44:25,798
Speaker 1: looked at the teams you managed, Joe and what happened

932
00:44:25,798 --> 00:44:30,198
Speaker 1: at the deadline, And it was interesting looking back at

933
00:44:30,238 --> 00:44:34,598
Speaker 1: the Rays and how little your teams did your contending teams,

934
00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:36,198
Speaker 1: you know, trying to win a World.

935
00:44:35,998 --> 00:44:39,158
Speaker 2: Series, very little of what you did at the deadline.

936
00:44:39,278 --> 00:44:43,158
Speaker 1: I mean, for instance, two thousand and eight, nothing really

937
00:44:43,198 --> 00:44:45,038
Speaker 1: in July and August, Chad.

938
00:44:44,798 --> 00:44:47,038
Speaker 4: Brad, Matt Chad loved Matt Chad.

939
00:44:47,318 --> 00:44:50,878
Speaker 1: And Jorge Volandi, right, I mean, I guess you got

940
00:44:50,958 --> 00:44:53,558
Speaker 1: used to the fact that the cavalry wasn't riding in

941
00:44:54,158 --> 00:44:56,118
Speaker 1: to the trap to save a season.

942
00:44:57,918 --> 00:45:01,318
Speaker 4: Never expected a Chad Bradford though, was a big part

943
00:45:01,318 --> 00:45:04,478
Speaker 4: of that. I remember we played a five man infield

944
00:45:05,078 --> 00:45:07,958
Speaker 4: in Seattle with Chad pitching because he could throw a

945
00:45:07,958 --> 00:45:11,518
Speaker 4: ground ball with Beltray hitting, and we ended up with

946
00:45:11,558 --> 00:45:15,078
Speaker 4: a five two three double play to get out of

947
00:45:15,078 --> 00:45:17,638
Speaker 4: that thing. Right too, I think Willie Ibar was at

948
00:45:17,638 --> 00:45:20,398
Speaker 4: third base at the moment. Love Chad Bradford. I think

949
00:45:21,278 --> 00:45:23,798
Speaker 4: with the Cubby's Kintana was kind of like one of

950
00:45:23,838 --> 00:45:26,718
Speaker 4: those guys, and of course Chapman was with the Cubbies,

951
00:45:26,718 --> 00:45:28,398
Speaker 4: so but you're right though with the razor was not

952
00:45:28,558 --> 00:45:35,478
Speaker 4: a whole lot of that happening emotional. That's both ways.

953
00:45:35,998 --> 00:45:38,078
Speaker 4: When a guy walks in the door that you really

954
00:45:38,158 --> 00:45:41,918
Speaker 4: perceived to be helpful, there's an absolute lift. There's a

955
00:45:41,918 --> 00:45:45,238
Speaker 4: buoyancy to the clubhouse when because they're always talking, they're

956
00:45:45,238 --> 00:45:49,078
Speaker 4: always expecting, they're always talking about the front office trying

957
00:45:49,078 --> 00:45:51,878
Speaker 4: to be helping us, and that's kind of like the

958
00:45:51,998 --> 00:45:54,438
Speaker 4: dialogue at that time of the year. So when it

959
00:45:54,638 --> 00:45:57,958
Speaker 4: does occur, there normally is an emotional component to it

960
00:45:57,998 --> 00:46:01,118
Speaker 4: in an uplifting way. And then conversely, when it doesn't happen,

961
00:46:01,278 --> 00:46:04,118
Speaker 4: sometimes it could you could feel the air out of

962
00:46:04,118 --> 00:46:07,358
Speaker 4: the balloon, kind of an effect, and guys will just

963
00:46:07,838 --> 00:46:10,878
Speaker 4: start a narrative among each other about how upset they

964
00:46:10,878 --> 00:46:14,718
Speaker 4: are about nothing happening right there. And for me, one

965
00:46:14,718 --> 00:46:16,718
Speaker 4: of my lines with the rais was always about, you know,

966
00:46:16,758 --> 00:46:18,398
Speaker 4: we were very happy with the guys we have in

967
00:46:18,438 --> 00:46:20,758
Speaker 4: the clubhouse, and the guys in the clubhouse have to

968
00:46:20,798 --> 00:46:24,398
Speaker 4: look to one another to realize that the organization has

969
00:46:24,798 --> 00:46:26,998
Speaker 4: confidence or faith in you that we could do with

970
00:46:27,038 --> 00:46:29,278
Speaker 4: what we have. So it's up to the guys here

971
00:46:29,318 --> 00:46:33,238
Speaker 4: to get it done. So there's all kinds of different

972
00:46:33,358 --> 00:46:36,158
Speaker 4: items happening at that time when you get to that

973
00:46:36,238 --> 00:46:39,838
Speaker 4: time of the year, acquisition or no acquisition. One other

974
00:46:39,918 --> 00:46:44,118
Speaker 4: point and brought this up briestly happened with the Angels

975
00:46:44,238 --> 00:46:47,478
Speaker 4: in ninety five when we lost that huge lead. If

976
00:46:47,518 --> 00:46:51,638
Speaker 4: you remember, Gary DiSarcina got injured sliding into second base,

977
00:46:51,678 --> 00:46:54,598
Speaker 4: I was the first base coach at that time. Slid

978
00:46:54,638 --> 00:46:57,038
Speaker 4: in the second base, pull this thumb back, screwed them up.

979
00:46:57,238 --> 00:46:59,638
Speaker 4: We had to move Damian easily from second to short.

980
00:47:00,038 --> 00:47:02,918
Speaker 4: And on that team we had Rex Hudler and Spike Ohmes,

981
00:47:02,918 --> 00:47:06,318
Speaker 4: two veterans, you know, really well liked play. Actually we're

982
00:47:06,318 --> 00:47:11,358
Speaker 4: playing pretty well overall, and likely appointments to second base. However,

983
00:47:11,358 --> 00:47:14,238
Speaker 4: we went on got Chico lean, and Chico came in

984
00:47:14,278 --> 00:47:16,758
Speaker 4: and that did not work. Another fa fact he did

985
00:47:16,798 --> 00:47:18,998
Speaker 4: not play well. But also from the perspective that these

986
00:47:18,998 --> 00:47:24,198
Speaker 4: are two really you know, instrumental veterans on the team

987
00:47:24,318 --> 00:47:27,878
Speaker 4: that aren't getting this opportunity. So that did not go

988
00:47:27,958 --> 00:47:29,998
Speaker 4: That went over like the proverbial lead balloon. That did

989
00:47:30,038 --> 00:47:32,238
Speaker 4: not go over well. So my point is look in

990
00:47:32,318 --> 00:47:35,718
Speaker 4: house first to make sure that you're especially like if

991
00:47:35,718 --> 00:47:38,598
Speaker 4: you have somebody think it is kind of popular within

992
00:47:38,638 --> 00:47:41,838
Speaker 4: a group and is more than addequate that they can't

993
00:47:41,838 --> 00:47:44,558
Speaker 4: fulfill a role. Because when you bring somebody in the door,

994
00:47:45,278 --> 00:47:47,318
Speaker 4: the players have to see that this guy coming against

995
00:47:47,478 --> 00:47:51,118
Speaker 4: actually going to help us be better, make us better.

996
00:47:51,278 --> 00:47:52,838
Speaker 4: When it's a push kind of a move, when you

997
00:47:52,878 --> 00:47:56,518
Speaker 4: already have that person in house, sometimes it could backpart.

998
00:47:56,518 --> 00:47:59,438
Speaker 4: So these are all the little thoughts that I have

999
00:47:59,598 --> 00:48:02,438
Speaker 4: when if I'm being asked at that time, like we're

1000
00:48:02,478 --> 00:48:04,838
Speaker 4: thinking about so and so, what do you about this guy?

1001
00:48:05,318 --> 00:48:08,758
Speaker 4: And then the one moment in ninety five always sticks

1002
00:48:08,758 --> 00:48:11,118
Speaker 4: in my mind, and if I thought it was more

1003
00:48:11,118 --> 00:48:12,798
Speaker 4: of a lateral move. I would make sure I made

1004
00:48:12,838 --> 00:48:16,398
Speaker 4: my point to the GM whomever if it was an

1005
00:48:16,438 --> 00:48:22,158
Speaker 4: easily understandable it's gonna it's an ascending move, absolutely, let's

1006
00:48:22,158 --> 00:48:24,838
Speaker 4: go for it. But the one that's lateral sometimes be

1007
00:48:24,918 --> 00:48:27,758
Speaker 4: careful with that. So there's all these different thoughts and

1008
00:48:28,278 --> 00:48:31,998
Speaker 4: ideas that I learned going through that ninety five moment.

1009
00:48:32,598 --> 00:48:35,478
Speaker 4: And I believe me, man, when somebody walks in your

1010
00:48:35,478 --> 00:48:38,638
Speaker 4: door that really is perceived to be there to elevate,

1011
00:48:38,958 --> 00:48:40,558
Speaker 4: it can't pick up the entire.

1012
00:48:40,958 --> 00:48:44,118
Speaker 2: Clubhouse clubhouse chemistry. Wow, it's interesting.

1013
00:48:44,118 --> 00:48:46,358
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that of bringing in a lateral

1014
00:48:46,398 --> 00:48:50,158
Speaker 1: move and how that fits in After eight here's some

1015
00:48:50,278 --> 00:48:52,518
Speaker 1: other moves in July and August. By the rays of

1016
00:48:52,518 --> 00:48:57,558
Speaker 1: your teams, it's not much, folks, Jose Lobaton, you got

1017
00:48:57,558 --> 00:49:04,198
Speaker 1: Sean Rodriguez, but you trained Scott Kashmir, Chad Crawls and

1018
00:49:04,358 --> 00:49:10,438
Speaker 1: nothing at all, Ryan Roberts, Ben Francisco, Jesse Crane, David

1019
00:49:10,518 --> 00:49:13,518
Speaker 1: de Hazu's I mean that you're not adding a lot

1020
00:49:13,638 --> 00:49:16,638
Speaker 1: year after year after year. And then twenty fourteen you

1021
00:49:16,718 --> 00:49:19,598
Speaker 1: traded David Price. The team was five and a half

1022
00:49:19,638 --> 00:49:22,598
Speaker 1: games out of a playoff spot. You know, two games

1023
00:49:22,678 --> 00:49:25,318
Speaker 1: under five hundred. In today's game, you would say you're

1024
00:49:25,318 --> 00:49:28,838
Speaker 1: still in it with the third wildcard, right, But that

1025
00:49:29,038 --> 00:49:29,198
Speaker 1: was it.

1026
00:49:29,478 --> 00:49:32,398
Speaker 2: That's that's the announcement that we're out. You trade David

1027
00:49:32,478 --> 00:49:33,598
Speaker 2: Price to Detroit.

1028
00:49:33,918 --> 00:49:35,918
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's so you look at that and you

1029
00:49:36,558 --> 00:49:38,198
Speaker 4: try to understand what they're gonna do this year, and

1030
00:49:38,198 --> 00:49:38,918
Speaker 4: it's pretty obvious.

1031
00:49:38,958 --> 00:49:39,758
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that will.

1032
00:49:40,358 --> 00:49:44,198
Speaker 4: That's definitely within their mindset. Yeah, it was. I never

1033
00:49:44,758 --> 00:49:49,118
Speaker 4: really expected anything to be moved in a magnificent way,

1034
00:49:50,118 --> 00:49:52,798
Speaker 4: like we're talking about somebody walks into clubhouse in easily

1035
00:49:52,918 --> 00:49:54,918
Speaker 4: the guys say, wow, this is really going to help us.

1036
00:49:55,598 --> 00:49:57,638
Speaker 4: I never expected it, and it never did happen. We

1037
00:49:57,718 --> 00:50:00,678
Speaker 4: got a lot of nice pieces like you spoke about.

1038
00:50:00,718 --> 00:50:03,358
Speaker 4: I mean, that was a big part of the methods there.

1039
00:50:03,398 --> 00:50:05,918
Speaker 4: We were all into the ying and the yang. I mean,

1040
00:50:06,798 --> 00:50:09,398
Speaker 4: we wanted the if there wasn't an everyday player at

1041
00:50:09,438 --> 00:50:10,318
Speaker 4: a position.

1042
00:50:09,958 --> 00:50:10,558
Speaker 3: And we knew that.

1043
00:50:10,598 --> 00:50:13,238
Speaker 4: We also we wanted the opposite guy to the left

1044
00:50:13,358 --> 00:50:15,678
Speaker 4: or the righty to be able to pinch it or

1045
00:50:15,838 --> 00:50:18,318
Speaker 4: match up to start a game kind of a situation.

1046
00:50:18,918 --> 00:50:20,998
Speaker 4: So that that was a big part of our landscape.

1047
00:50:21,038 --> 00:50:22,958
Speaker 4: I think it still is a big part of their landscape.

1048
00:50:23,198 --> 00:50:26,958
Speaker 4: The platoon advantages it's known today. That's pretty much how

1049
00:50:26,998 --> 00:50:29,438
Speaker 4: we were built with the Rays. Again, if you and

1050
00:50:29,478 --> 00:50:33,158
Speaker 4: I think everybody, it's pretty simple. If you don't have

1051
00:50:33,198 --> 00:50:35,718
Speaker 4: an everyday guy, somebody that you're playing to be everyday

1052
00:50:35,838 --> 00:50:39,678
Speaker 4: player at a particular position, you best have a back

1053
00:50:39,678 --> 00:50:42,878
Speaker 4: and forth there right in the left, somebody that's able

1054
00:50:42,918 --> 00:50:44,638
Speaker 4: to balance this whole thing out. So that's what it

1055
00:50:44,678 --> 00:50:47,318
Speaker 4: was about with the Rays. And so we weren't going

1056
00:50:47,358 --> 00:50:50,198
Speaker 4: to spend that money. You had to be creative. You

1057
00:50:50,238 --> 00:50:52,238
Speaker 4: had to And that's why I bet Denny and I

1058
00:50:52,278 --> 00:50:55,798
Speaker 4: loved it because you know, then I was able to

1059
00:50:55,838 --> 00:50:59,518
Speaker 4: focus or rely on my experience that I've had conversations

1060
00:50:59,558 --> 00:51:01,798
Speaker 4: with Andrews and the Boy, Andrew and the Boys, and

1061
00:51:01,958 --> 00:51:06,278
Speaker 4: Eric and him at that time, always really interesting, James Klick,

1062
00:51:06,318 --> 00:51:09,478
Speaker 4: all these guys were there. So we had good conversation.

1063
00:51:09,598 --> 00:51:11,878
Speaker 4: We had a plan, and you knew what you had

1064
00:51:12,158 --> 00:51:13,758
Speaker 4: and so you knew you had to work it in

1065
00:51:13,798 --> 00:51:17,518
Speaker 4: that way. And I'm telling you, Matt, it was waking up.

1066
00:51:17,798 --> 00:51:20,998
Speaker 4: Go from my bike ride, think about offense, think about defense,

1067
00:51:21,078 --> 00:51:25,078
Speaker 4: all the different strategies and strategies and situations that would

1068
00:51:25,078 --> 00:51:28,478
Speaker 4: occur that night, and all your different pieces at your disposal,

1069
00:51:28,518 --> 00:51:30,998
Speaker 4: because there was pieces that are disposed. They might not

1070
00:51:31,078 --> 00:51:34,238
Speaker 4: have been high falutin names, but there's pieces at our disposal.

1071
00:51:34,718 --> 00:51:38,638
Speaker 4: It really there was an intellectual stimulation about all that

1072
00:51:38,638 --> 00:51:40,838
Speaker 4: that I really enjoyed managing the race.

1073
00:51:41,358 --> 00:51:42,918
Speaker 1: And then you go to the Cubs and you see

1074
00:51:42,918 --> 00:51:46,198
Speaker 1: the complete other side, Joe, I mean, real quickly. Whatever

1075
00:51:46,318 --> 00:51:48,598
Speaker 1: was needed for the Cubs, they pretty much tried to

1076
00:51:48,638 --> 00:51:53,358
Speaker 1: get it done. Twenty fifteen, Dan Harron, Tommy Hunter, Fernando

1077
00:51:53,478 --> 00:51:57,198
Speaker 1: Rudney as you call them, Austin Jackson, next year, of course,

1078
00:51:57,238 --> 00:52:03,318
Speaker 1: the big eldest Chapman deal, twenty seventeen, Alex Zavila, Justin Wilson,

1079
00:52:03,638 --> 00:52:05,918
Speaker 1: and then in twenty eighteen.

1080
00:52:05,638 --> 00:52:08,598
Speaker 2: Cole Hamils, Brandon Kinsler, Daniel Murphy.

1081
00:52:09,878 --> 00:52:14,078
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, Nick Castianos, Tony Kemp. A lot going

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Speaker 1: on there, Joe, in terms of bringing in pieces to

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Speaker 1: try to win championships.

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Speaker 3: Two different worlds completely.

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Speaker 4: You know where we always talked about with the Rays

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Speaker 4: they had to make moves, knowing that they had to

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Speaker 4: be right and not make mistakes. With the Cubs, they didn't.

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Speaker 3: Necessarily have to be as right as.

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Speaker 4: The Rays did because you had more finances at your disposal,

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Speaker 4: So it was a different kind.

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Speaker 3: Of mindset completely.

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Speaker 4: You're definitely going to shop at different stores, spend more

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00:52:43,118 --> 00:52:46,558
Speaker 4: money with the Cubs, and again, of course you wanted

1094
00:52:46,558 --> 00:52:47,918
Speaker 4: it to go right, but if it didn't go right,

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00:52:47,958 --> 00:52:50,638
Speaker 4: you could always attempt to acquire somebody else. The rules

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00:52:50,678 --> 00:52:52,238
Speaker 4: were a little bit different back then with the waiver

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Speaker 4: claims in August, so there was a different setup completely.

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Speaker 4: So Rays you always felt you could not make a

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Speaker 4: mistake because if you did, it could screw you up

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Speaker 4: for years with the Cubs. If you made a mistake,

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Speaker 4: you could alway fix it financially.

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Speaker 2: Lots of quans for you.

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Speaker 1: Joe on that, how much do you think the manager

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Speaker 1: now is involved in these kind of discussions in terms

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Speaker 1: of team needs? And then you brought up a great

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Speaker 1: point about you know what it means for clubhouse chemistry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what happens today is again front offices and analytical departments.

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00:53:24,518 --> 00:53:28,398
Speaker 4: So it will be busy accumulating names and thoughts regarding

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00:53:28,398 --> 00:53:30,598
Speaker 4: who they like, and then Gim will come down to

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00:53:30,638 --> 00:53:33,318
Speaker 4: you and float a name or two by you. What

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00:53:33,318 --> 00:53:34,838
Speaker 4: do you think about this guy, how do you think

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Speaker 4: he fits, ETC's And they might even ask you gratuitously, what.

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Speaker 3: Do you think you need?

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Speaker 4: What do you think we need as part of the conversation,

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00:53:42,238 --> 00:53:44,958
Speaker 4: and then go back and basically do whatever they want.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's a good thing because baseball has

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00:53:48,478 --> 00:53:51,478
Speaker 4: played every day. As Major League managers coaches, we don't

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00:53:51,518 --> 00:53:54,238
Speaker 4: get to scout, we get to see it. We see

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Speaker 4: other teams, and we get to see you know, if

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Speaker 4: you're in your own division, you see a certain player

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Speaker 4: maybe several times in that year for other divisions at

1122
00:54:00,878 --> 00:54:03,918
Speaker 4: that time, where other leagues very on a very limited basis.

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Speaker 4: So I've in the eighties and the nineties or whatever,

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Speaker 4: I always thought it was inappropriate and wrong that the

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Speaker 4: manager had so much say and who was acquired and

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Speaker 4: who was traded. I think you can make a lot

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00:54:14,838 --> 00:54:17,278
Speaker 4: of mistakes that way, and coaches it's hard to be

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Speaker 4: good evaluators when guys like that are really evaluating based

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Speaker 4: on today, and there's no when I on the present,

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00:54:23,918 --> 00:54:27,518
Speaker 4: when I in the future, And quite frankly, some are

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00:54:27,518 --> 00:54:30,918
Speaker 4: not very good evaluators. I've thought managers and coaches, So

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Speaker 4: I think it's wise too and it's a better way

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00:54:34,158 --> 00:54:38,158
Speaker 4: to rely on front offices and analytical departments to really

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00:54:38,198 --> 00:54:40,518
Speaker 4: be of assistance at this time of the year, because

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Speaker 4: I believe that's the most impressive part about analytics is

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00:54:45,358 --> 00:54:48,558
Speaker 4: that they should be utilized completely when it comes to

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00:54:48,598 --> 00:54:52,198
Speaker 4: acquisitional process. I think that's where analytics actually shine. So

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Speaker 4: I think from a manager's perspective in this time of

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00:54:55,278 --> 00:54:56,958
Speaker 4: the year, you know, say what you want to say,

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00:54:56,958 --> 00:55:00,198
Speaker 4: but get out of the way and really rely on

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00:55:00,318 --> 00:55:02,598
Speaker 4: people that are there and that's their job. So me

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00:55:02,798 --> 00:55:08,278
Speaker 4: for me, GMS GM owners should own GMS, a GM scouting,

1143
00:55:08,278 --> 00:55:11,198
Speaker 4: the apartment should scout, managers should manage, and coaches should coach.

1144
00:55:11,598 --> 00:55:13,798
Speaker 4: I like in separation of powers, and this is the

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00:55:13,798 --> 00:55:17,318
Speaker 4: time of the year. To me that probably the most

1146
00:55:17,318 --> 00:55:19,598
Speaker 4: important part of an organization, the one that makes you

1147
00:55:19,678 --> 00:55:21,958
Speaker 4: good or not so good, is those that are in

1148
00:55:22,038 --> 00:55:25,678
Speaker 4: charge of evaluation and getting people in the door. That's

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Speaker 4: the separator.

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Speaker 3: Why are the Dodgers good?

1151
00:55:27,398 --> 00:55:29,518
Speaker 4: They have good players who where some teams not so good,

1152
00:55:29,838 --> 00:55:33,798
Speaker 4: their players aren't as good. And so I do like

1153
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Speaker 4: the method and play right now. I wish it had

1154
00:55:36,478 --> 00:55:38,118
Speaker 4: been in play in the eighties and the nineties because

1155
00:55:38,118 --> 00:55:39,478
Speaker 4: I thought with the Angels, we made a lot of

1156
00:55:39,478 --> 00:55:42,918
Speaker 4: mistakes based on emotion and knee jerk as opposed to

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Speaker 4: well thought out reasons why you did something.

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Speaker 1: The day is Tuesday, July thirtieth, that's trade deadline day.

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Speaker 1: It's always a big day in the count and it

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Speaker 1: has a lot of say in terms of who wins

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Speaker 1: the World Series or it gets to the World Series.

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Speaker 1: I just go back to last year. The Texas Rangers

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00:55:59,918 --> 00:56:02,998
Speaker 1: at the deadline were scuffling. They were in a two

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Speaker 1: and seven slump in which their lead had gone from

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Speaker 1: four and a half games to one. They went out

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Speaker 1: there and they got Max schurz Er, Jordan Montgomery, Austin Hedges,

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Speaker 1: Chris Stratton. They won their next eight games, and in

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Speaker 1: that eight game stretch, Montgomery and Surezer won three to

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Speaker 1: ohero and you talk about invigorating a team, and they rode,

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00:56:23,038 --> 00:56:26,918
Speaker 1: obviously those two starters all the way to a World Championship.

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Speaker 2: It moves not necessarily always that big.

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Speaker 1: You think of guys like Marco Scutero, you know, Steve Pierce,

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00:56:35,078 --> 00:56:37,958
Speaker 1: guys who wound up playing big roles who weren't big names.

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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, at the deadline and the couple

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00:56:41,238 --> 00:56:44,478
Speaker 1: of days before, just about every team in contention, and

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Speaker 1: I mean I mean this, just about every team and

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Speaker 1: contention will make a move and probably does have to

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Speaker 1: make a move, because this is your last chance to

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Speaker 1: really set your roster to what you're taking into October.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating time of year, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I loved listening to your explanation about what it means

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Speaker 1: from a manager's perspective, and I'm wondering what yacht for

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Speaker 1: us tonight to take us out here in this latest

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Speaker 1: edition of the Book of Joe Podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Well, my reasoning for my quote of the day was

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Speaker 4: based on just a general situation we're faced with in

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Speaker 4: the United States that the President Biden stepping down out

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Speaker 4: of the next election, Kamala Harris being kind of ordained,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. And this definitely applies today. And my problem

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Speaker 4: with that is that opinion is so manufactured through the

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Speaker 4: media these days that I don't know that people think

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Speaker 4: enough for themselves. I think people just pretty much will

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Speaker 4: adopt the last thing said as their own, and I

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00:57:45,118 --> 00:57:47,758
Speaker 4: think that happens too often. And the way where we

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00:57:47,798 --> 00:57:50,998
Speaker 4: do generate information today through social media and the way

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Speaker 4: the news is generated on television, et cetera. I think

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Speaker 4: it is. It's there to overwhelm and it's there to

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Speaker 4: change your opinion on things, which you always should accumulate information.

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Speaker 4: I agree with that. But then at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, please make up your own mind. So I

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Speaker 4: came up with today, Never judge someone by the opinion

1202
00:58:06,478 --> 00:58:09,998
Speaker 4: of others. Never judge someone by the opinion of others.

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Speaker 4: And this was from Frank McCourt who wrote, I think

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Speaker 4: Angela's Ashes remember that book a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, I read that book.

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Speaker 3: I was really powerful.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit wordy, but I still liked it.

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Speaker 4: You have to study and learn so that you make

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00:58:25,318 --> 00:58:28,358
Speaker 4: up your own mind about history and everything else. But

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00:58:28,438 --> 00:58:32,238
Speaker 4: you can't make up an empty mind. Stalk your mind,

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00:58:32,598 --> 00:58:35,278
Speaker 4: stalk your mind. You might be poor, your shoes might

1212
00:58:35,318 --> 00:58:38,398
Speaker 4: be broken, but your mind is a palace. And I

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Speaker 4: love that. And if you ever read or read Angela's

1214
00:58:41,558 --> 00:58:46,918
Speaker 4: Ashes or watch the movie adaptation, you'll see that. Over

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Speaker 4: in Ireland's kind of a destitute kind of a situation.

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00:58:49,558 --> 00:58:52,198
Speaker 4: But nevertheless, regardless of where you come from, you should

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00:58:52,518 --> 00:58:55,038
Speaker 4: still study and make up your own mind. And that's

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Speaker 4: that's one thing that bothers me is that the way

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Speaker 4: opinion is generated now, and how it's everybody's worked so

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00:59:02,718 --> 00:59:06,078
Speaker 4: hard to to get everybody to group think or think

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00:59:06,118 --> 00:59:06,558
Speaker 4: the same way.

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Speaker 3: A lot of exec you talk.

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Speaker 4: I'm not into it. So I thought Frank McCourt's quote

1224
00:59:11,558 --> 00:59:14,478
Speaker 4: was great and never judge someone by the opinion of others.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's perfect, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's so well written to keep in mind

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Speaker 1: these days because we are overly influenced by the opinions

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00:59:25,118 --> 00:59:28,438
Speaker 1: of others, and in many cases others we don't even know,

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00:59:28,598 --> 00:59:31,198
Speaker 1: don't even know where this opinion is coming from.

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Speaker 2: So correct, beautiful words.

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Speaker 1: As always, Joe, you close it out one, two, three,

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Speaker 1: in the ninth, nice going.

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Speaker 3: Love being the closer. Buddy, Thank you man.

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Speaker 2: See you next time on the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 4: See you, Buddy.

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