WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Sweet Home Alabama 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.439 Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:13.840 the Bengals Boots podcast. The Sweet homem Alabama addition, as 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.120 we head to Mobile, Alabama, where my broadcast partner Dave 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.000 Lapham is spending the week covering the Senior Bowl, where 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.280 the Bengals coaching staff is in charge of the South roster. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.599 I'll spend about thirty five minutes with lap discussing the 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.240 prospects who have impressed him the most, and he'll share 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.559 what he's hearing from NFL people about a prospect who 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:38.280 is not Inmobile this week, quarterback Joe Burrow. Lap will 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.800 also discuss Andy Dalton's future in Cincinnati, the Bengals approach 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:47.560 to free agency this offseason, and answer questions you submitted 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.720 on Twitter. All of that is straight ahead, but first, 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.120 here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.520 edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:01.640 or computer by subscribing on iTunes, your Google Play, Spotify, 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:08.040 or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since fun daily calendars. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.920 We've had a bunch of these over the years. There 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.760 was the Thousand Places to See calendar with a different 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:18.040 cool picture every day, and I've had Sports Trivia daily calendars, 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.520 which are always fun. This year we have the New 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.200 York Times Daily Crossword Puzzle, which has become a great 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:30.880 family activity. So here's to fun daily calendars. And hey, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.560 it's late January, so you can probably get a twenty 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:39.960 twenty version really cheap. Now let's get to football. After 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.640 the San Francisco forty nine Ers beat the Packers last 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.520 week to advance to the Super Bowl, several members of 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.560 the forty nine Ers coaching staff could be seen holding 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.160 interesting T shirts in the locker room after the game 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:56.440 that said the following Mobile to Miami. That's a reference 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.960 to the fact that the forty nine Ers staff coached 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.480 in the Senior Bowl in Mobile at the start of 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.000 the year, and we'll coach in the Super Bowl in 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.840 Miami to end the year. I'm not predicting that the 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.560 Bengals coaches will be wearing Mobile to Tampa T shirts 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.200 at the end of next season, but it does show 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.520 you that quick turnarounds do happen in the NFL. The 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.520 last time the Bengals coached in the Senior Bowl was 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.600 January of two eleven, after going four and twelve in 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:29.000 two ten. A few months after the All Star Game. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.480 The Bengals drafted AJ Green in the first round, Andy 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.840 Dalton in the second round and began a streak of 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:40.760 five straight playoff appearances. My broadcast partner, Dave Lapham has 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.800 been in Mobile all week and join me on Friday 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.640 morning to share his observations. Lap You played in the 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.920 Senior Bowl in nineteen seventy four. How much has it 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:56.600 changed A ton? I mean, it's a Broadway production now 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.080 is prepared to nineteen seventy four when you can that 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.440 or you know, no ESPN, no NFL network, no cell phones, uh, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.959 no equipment to video tape practices. You know the game 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:13.480 was on a sixteen millimeter film projector it's a totally 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:18.000 different dynamic. There are obviously a lot of people in attendance, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.080 but back then and sent me for the only way 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.160 they could see what they wanted to see was to 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:27.160 get down there. And I remember, you know, past protecting 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:32.040 h against Carl Barzeloscis and two tall Jones, and it's 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.480 like there were a big circle of people like ten deep, 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.600 and you could literally reach out and touch an owner 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.760 or a GM or a head coach or a line coach. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.360 It was crazy, it was you know, and you're thinking, well, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.320 I hope I I've blocked somebody because I'm either going 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.160 to have validation or elimination here today it's day, It's time. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.120 Who were the coaches in seventy four? I was the 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.600 Philadelphia Eagle staff Mike McCormick's staff. So my infensive line 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.240 coach was John Sandusky, who was a great offensive lineman 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.760 with Mike McCormick with the Cleveland Browns and John Sandusky 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.200 that my most vivid memory of him was we had 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:16.040 a banquet the night before the Senior Bowl and he 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:20.520 was an accomplished ballroom dancer, and John Sandusky get up 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.600 there and started cutting a rug and it was impressive. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.279 I mean, the big man was like a dancing bear. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.720 And conside why he was such a good player with 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.720 the body size that he had, in his ability to 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.840 move his feed so adroitly. I mean, he was really 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.760 a good coach. I was very fortunate and special teams coach, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.880 and that in that team was Dick Leboie, just retired 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.480 from playing with the Detroit Lions with a Hall of 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.760 Fame career as a player, soon to be a Hall 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.520 of Fame coach as well. But that was his first 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.320 introduction as a coach in the NFL as a special 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:58.040 teams coach with the Eagles, and special teams was interesting 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.720 when there's like sixty guys pro roster. Gosh, I think 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.480 we were like in the mid to high thirties. We 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:08.360 didn't have that many players. And special teams was none 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.200 of the guys that played special teams in college. They 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.919 were all their better players on their teams. So special 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.200 teams is very interesting and just cobbling things together. And 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.680 he said to me, big fella, you ever covered a 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.240 kick before? I said, no, sir, every in my life. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.039 He said, you're about to. He said, you're one of 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.000 our faster line. You're gonna run down on kickgous Okay, 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.120 so he said, just you know, stay in your land 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.839 and get your head on a swivel. First kickoff. I 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.640 get down there, I'm like, man, I might make a play. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.039 I'm I'm getting close here. And I get within like 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.960 a couple of arms lengths and boom, I get ear 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.719 holed by a defensive tackle out of the wedge. And 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.200 I thought, oh boy. So I come to the sideline 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.360 and Butpo's, like I told you, big fella, on a swivel, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.600 keeping on a swivel. I said, yes, there, it was 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.640 a learning experience, but yeah, it was, it was. It 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.880 was just a it was a great the difference then 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.920 in seventy four, though, we get fifteen hundred dollars as 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.240 a winner. We won the Senior Bolt. David James hit 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.719 lyn Swan with a game winning touchdown passed for us, 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.360 and I loved lyn Swan for a moment, and then 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.080 I learned not to like him as much when he 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.040 got the pits for a bit. He got his fifteen 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.080 hundred to the winner, seven fifty to the the loser. So 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.279 I go back to Syracuse nineteen seventy four, fifteen hundred bucks, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.880 and I thought I was a gazillionaire. It was. It 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.880 was great. Fifteen hundred back then was you know, significant, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.560 significant money. But they don't. They don't do that anymore, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.800 but I did. I called the athletic director before taking 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.360 the check because I thought, well, I know I don't 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.720 have any eligibility left, but my forfeiting a scholarship opportunity 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.479 here in the NCAA wasn't a stranger obviously back then. 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.960 And he's like, no, you're fine, you can go ahead 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.719 and take that. You've only had, you know, a few months, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.440 a couple of months left for graduation. I go, okay, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.280 you could do some damage on Marshall Street with fifteen 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.600 hundred bucks. Oh, I'm telling you, man, yeah, I was. 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.080 We used to gather it could comes to club Key 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.160 Sees was big hangout after I got the golf course 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.560 in the country club after games and man, h I 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:10.480 bought many around to TCAs with that fifteen hundred doubt. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.720 All right, I want to talk about the guy who 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:17.680 is not there, Joe Burrow. I'm sure you've been talking 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:22.640 to people about him. What have you learned that you know? 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.440 The consensus on Joe Burrow obviously is he had the 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:30.280 greatest season college quarterback has ever had. UM, and that's 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.880 you know, that's just obvious by the numbers. But when you, 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.920 you know, you deep dive into him, there's not a 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.000 box that he doesn't check and um, you know a 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.880 lot of the people that I've talked to, it's it's 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.440 very important with the you know, off the field beyond 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.960 the field stuff everybody can see, but the off the 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.080 field stuff. It's like I was talking to a few 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.320 people who said, you know, I always go and ask 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.240 these these coaches who is this player of friends with? 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.640 And if a which has to stroke his chin and say, 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.120 let me think about that, well maybe this guy. Maybe 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.320 that guy's like, you know with Joe Burrow, You say, 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.960 who who's whose friends with Joe Burrow? Everybody, whether it's 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:13.840 on the football team not on the football he's one 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.320 of those guys that is just I mean, a natural 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.720 born leader. Everybody gravitates toward. Um. He's got that in factor, 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.200 you know, that that personality uh stuff, you know, the 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.240 boomeris Hiasin type stuff where you know, he's's kind of 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.960 a magnet and everybody loves the guy. And I'm I 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.840 started watching a little bit more of of of Borrow, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.240 and the thing with him dan to me all the things. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.520 You know, he throws into such tight windows. He's so 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.880 accurate with football. But and and two things. His um 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.239 quick twitch, his short space quick twitch is very underrated. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.920 I mean, this guy's making sec athletes. He's got him 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.520 in space, you know, like a good athletic linebacker or 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.280 even a defensive back. And he's putting the wiggle on him, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.439 making him so. I mean, this guy's athleticism, I think 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.160 is not talked about as much as it could be. 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.120 And then he's got in the pocket. He's got that 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.200 innate ability to feel pressure. A lot of times when 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.280 guys feel pressure, they start looking down, looking around, you know, 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.319 trying to protect their legs and worried about where it's 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.600 coming from. Borrow has that ability to kind of sense 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.240 it and step up and slidestep and avoid and escape 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.520 the pocket. The whole time. His eyes are down the 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.600 field and he sees the field and he's gonna you know, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.480 downfield the whole time, and boom he'll make a throw. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.560 And that's that's I think, something that really separates him 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.040 from from a lot of guys. Uh. And then obviously 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.560 he's got the football acumen and I mean he processes 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.880 things so quickly. And um, you know the slow start 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.920 that LSU had, Uh they ran out. Clemson comes out 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.440 with through a three down lineman, a linebacker and seven 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.880 defensive backs. Basically quarter coverage. You know, it's not dime sits. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.480 It's quarter coverage. Nickel, not dime go to a bigger coin. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.679 You know, it's quarter coverage. And it's like, oh, they 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.640 got off their slow start. Well, he had a thirty 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.160 five yard completion and he had a blindman down field ineligibly. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.719 He had two drops. So I mean it was a 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.160 combination of adjusting set scheme plus an execution. And you 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.680 know they go hand in hand because when you see 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.400 something for the first time, you know, it's maybe a 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.319 little apprehension, a little bit. I was gonna, boy, I 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.199 gotta get something done here kind of mentality, not just 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.400 a quarterback but everybody. But once they settled down, he 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.240 ripped it up, ripped it apart. In fact, they had 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.880 to get out of it. So I think in my mind, Dan, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.800 you know, I would I would say, hey, Joe, you're 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:42.199 my guy. You know, don't don't overthink it. Somebody's gonna 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.199 try to find something to rip them. You know, they're 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.120 gonna try to find the negative during this draft process. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:48.880 You know, he had a pimple in the seventh grade, 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.840 whatever it is, and they're gonna try to make a 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.080 big deal out of it and be satisfied that your 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.839 evaluation processes there. Don't worry, be happy, take them. And 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.720 I would declare it. I'd say Joe early on, I'd said, Joe, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.160 you're our guy. I remember when they drafted Carston Palmer, 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.240 they signed him before they drafted them three days before 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.320 they drafted them. And I'm not quite sure about the 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.079 rules now and if you can do it, and if 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.520 you do it, you decide to go public with it 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.320 or whatever. But I would say to him, Look, you 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.400 don't have to go to all these other team visits, 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.520 you don't have to go to the combine, you don't 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.520 have to go and burn your arm out, you don't 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.240 have to do all this wrong. A lot of these 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.760 quarterbacks don't really have a better year until their second 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.720 year because they do so much of that before they're 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.880 even drafted. By the end of October, beginning in November, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.440 they've got a dead arm. So I would I would 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:43.439 definitely say, Joe Chill, you're our guy. Don't feel pressure 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.800 that you have to go everywhere and do everything for everybody. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.240 And I think that's the reason, the biggest reason he's 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.280 not here dan as he had a fifteen game season 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.520 and an NFL season basically, and he knows what's coming. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.720 So I think he just said I need a little 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:57.760 bit of time to kick back with family and girlfriend 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.559 all those kinds of things, and totally understandable, um, but 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.760 but I would even you know, lessen the burden on him. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.480 Mentally and see, Joe, you don't have to worry about 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:11.520 all that stuff. We've made the decision. You're our guy. Yeah, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.400 nothing else. Say to the agent, Hey, if he wants 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.800 to throw it his pro day, go ahead, but don't 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.320 do anything beyond that. Yeah. I mean, you know you 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.760 go to these workouts, private workouts. They wear you out, 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.280 you know at these at these uh you know, each club. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.599 You know, you go for interview and then they'll go on, 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.640 let me go down and see him throw. I just 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.360 want to see your throw all time. Let me just 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.559 see your throw one more. You know. It's like, man, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.680 I'd avoid all that, I really would. I'd let it 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.240 be known at least to him and his agent for 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.560 sure that you know you are going to be our guy. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.200 Don't feel like you have to do anything else. We 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.000 are making the maybe to you. We want you to 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.720 be as ready for us as we are to take you. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.440 We want you to be ready to um you know, 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.520 be with us physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, every way possible. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.400 We don't want you worn out. We want Joe Burrow. 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:10.320 We already have full fledged Burrowmania. In Cincinnati. He gets 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.400 spotted getting chicken wings and TV News cruise show up. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.560 Would you be shocked at this point if he's not 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.920 the guy? I would, I really would. I will say 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.559 though Herbert has put on a show with his arm. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.480 I mean he has got arm talent, there's no question 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.440 about it. Um. And and he'll probably he'll go to 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.520 the combine and he'll run probably in the to meet Dana. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.559 Looks like he's a high four sixes guy. And um, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.000 you know, but when I watch him and this is 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.319 just practice now, you know, so it's not a game. Um, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.199 but when when I when I've seen him like I 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.559 saw him in the in the in the Big twelve 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:52.679 championship stuff, and he's he's more methodical, I guess is 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.600 a polite way to put it, or mechanical would be 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.840 more impolite. First read secondary, okay, now tuck it, you know, 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.760 now I'm going to do this. He doesn't have them. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.320 You know, we talked about about Joe Burrow, you know, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.160 having that short space suddenness and you know, quick twitch. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.720 He takes him two or three steps to get going, 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.679 and once he gets going, he goes. But he's not 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.280 like a short you know, He's not one of those 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:22.080 explosive kind of guys. But his arm is unbelievable. And 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.640 the thing about him. Two things I respect about him 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.920 is he could have come out last year and made 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.640 a lot of money. He would have been a first rounder. 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.560 But he went back to Oregon. He felt like, all right, 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.400 you you made a commitment to me. I'm going to 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.600 fulfill my obligation to you. And he stayed for another year. 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.640 You know, he wanted to win Big twelve championship, get 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.560 in the playoffs and try to try to make a run. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.560 So that tells me something about his character. Plus the 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.280 other thing is he was not going to come to 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.080 the Senior Bowl unless he was on the South and 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.120 he said, I want to compete for the number one 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:53.760 spot in the draft. I want to go down there, 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.840 and just knocked the socks off of the Bengals organization. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.960 So he's got that. You know, he's got that competitive 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.640 drive and everything. I respect that about his character. But 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.200 I think he's he's more one of those guys where 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:11.000 he's very, very bright. He won the academic Heisman. But 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.920 I bet if you go to his coaches, you know, 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.040 so who's justin hanwith Who's who are his guys? I 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.800 bet there'd be you know, a laborious list of a 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.640 few people. I'm not sure he's one of those guys 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.880 that everybody gravitates toward. You know what I liked about 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.520 Joe barrow after the game, sitting back smoking the cigar. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.760 I could just see him smoking a cigar, having a 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.120 beer with his old lineman. That's my guy. You know. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.560 It's like just a regular dude, Joe barrow Man. That's uh, 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.800 you know, I love that. It's just yeah, well, I'm 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.920 just gonna I'm just gonna chill out and enjoy this moment. Boy, 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.480 these things have come hu and far between. And then 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.560 as a former lineman, when he get up at that 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.280 Heisman presentation and the first thing he did was thank 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.800 his boy's upfront, Like, oh man, this guy gets it, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.360 you know. I mean his dad coach for solo. He 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.560 just like I said, Dan, I don't think there's a 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.400 box the dude doesn't check. You can try to create boxes. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.680 I think he's still checks. One more Joe Burrow question 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.920 and then we'll move on. In nineteen ninety nine, the 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.880 Bengals famously turned down the Saints offer of all of 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:18.360 their draft picks that year, including number twelve overall plus 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.320 their first rounder in two thousand, plus their first rounder 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.040 in two thousand and one, plus their second rounder in 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.680 two thousand and two. They turned all of that down 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.320 because of a quarterback and drafted Achille Smith. If there 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:35.000 was an offer out there close to that magnitude three 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:40.480 number one picks because somebody is just smitten with Joe Burrow, 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:45.200 would they take it? I really, honestly, I think the 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.400 lesson of that is, if somebody wants to offer you there, 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:54.000 you know, mortgage their whole draft. I don't know how 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.800 you don't take a whole draft for a player I 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.520 don't care who the damn player is. Means It's like, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.760 I don't think I don't think there's gonna be anything 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.360 quite like that. Obviously, the Miami Dolphins with three number ones. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.000 I mean, if they if they say, we'll give you 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.399 all three number ones this year, number one next year 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.679 and a number two next year and whatever, I mean, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.840 if they start coming up with something crazy like that, 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.359 you at least have to contemplate it. But you know, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.480 as it turns out, this ends up not being a 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.760 bad year to have an off year with these quarterback options. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.800 You know, it really isn't, So you know, the fact is, yeah, 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.159 Joe Burrow I think deserves to be the first one picked. 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.840 But that's not to say that Herbert wouldn't have a 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.280 brilliant career. So you know, if you're going to get mortgage, 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.840 you know, if you're going to get somebody's future and 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.840 brighten near future, you might think about it a little bit. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.679 I mean, there are three quarterbacks projected to go in 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.880 the first round. Love Kid quarterbacks in to the North 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.880 as the third one projected to go in the first round. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.040 I'll tell you watching Jalen Hurt. If Jalen hurts, he 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.600 could be the way the way that this game shaping 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.439 up Dan. The Bengals have the better quarterbacks. They have 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.720 the best offensive player I think in the game in Herbert. 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.280 I think he's the best offensive player. They had the 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.200 best defensive player on their roster, and list kid in 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.320 the one on ones. Oh my god, four hands, four 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.720 eyes on Javon Kinla. They never walked him in the 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.160 one on one drills. I mean, he's to me, he's 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.280 he's top fifteen pick. If he's not top fifteen, I'll 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.919 be stunned. South Carolina. But he nipped himself up in 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.840 the last day of the heavy contact one on one, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.920 so he didn't practice ester. I think his agent is 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.560 going to stay. Look, if you play, you're you're ignorant, 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.240 you know, I mean, you get nicked up a little bit. 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.480 People couldn't believe even came to the senior ball, And 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.040 I think it shows his character. He was taking every 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.040 rep that he was supposed to take in those one 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.119 on ones and exposed himself to you know, potential injury. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.360 That told me a lot about him. But oh my god, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.440 is he a beast. I mean he's stidy. You weren't 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.359 getting as the best first when you're on the road, 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:58.560 he's he's an intuminating dude. But um, you know, yeah, 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.760 it's it's I think they've got the better quarterbacks, but 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.359 the North has better offense and defensive lineman, so it's 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.719 gonna be all right, Well, will the quarterback have an 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.560 opportunity to function? So we'll see about Herbert, you know, 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.359 creating plays because I think the North the defensive and 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.080 offensive lines are pretty good. So I think the battle 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.959 and the pit pits could tilt towards the North. But 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.040 if Herbert shows he can create an extent. If he can't, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.000 I think incomes hurt can and he could potentially be 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.240 MPP if he makes plays and they win the football game, 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.680 and you know, then everybody'd be like, wow, what about 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.520 Jaylor this maybe he should be a number one first 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.760 round pick. But you know, the practices in the Senior 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.800 Bowl are more important than the game because you know, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.800 they're these coaches are living with these guys all week 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.680 long in the classroom, on the football field, seeing how 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.159 they interact with their teammates, seeing what they're like when 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:52.840 the cameras are on them, you know, I mean they're 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.200 living with them for a week. So all of that 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.359 is much more valuable than you know, the game, the 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.800 actual game tape, because they're you know, so many things 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.400 can happen with respect to you know, not your your performance, 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.720 other people perform well enough around you, and all those 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.440 kind of things, and it's it's very very vanilla again. 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.680 I mean, they can't twist and stunt upfront with defensive line. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.119 They can't blitz for man pressures backs, you know, no 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.640 zone blitz stuff. Nope, buzz coverages were linebackers and defensive 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.720 backs interchange responsibilities, I mean safety in the middle of 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.520 the football field when they're playing press man it's all elements. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.040 I could play quarterback and make reads and this football 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.920 This is not going to challenge any of these guys mentally. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.280 But you know, if somebody gets dominated physically, then these 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.480 quarterbacks are gonna have to, you know, run around and 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.440 make some plays and we'll see how all that unfolds. 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.399 Duke Tobin, the Bengals director of player personnel, doesn't do 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.919 interviews during the season. They allow the head coach to 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.040 be their singular voice. But he's been talking to everybody 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:52.959 in Mobile I know, and I know you were in 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:56.000 on a group session with him. What did you make 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.280 of his comments about Andy Dalton where he said we 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:03.520 want to be there to Andy. Yeah, that tells me 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:08.560 that they appreciate the career that he's had. You know, 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.600 what he represents, and once he has mentioned the franchise 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.840 both on and off football field. He's had Pro Bowl 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:19.080 seasons and you know, he's had seasons that haven't been obviously, 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:23.840