1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,439 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: the Bengals Boots podcast. The Sweet homem Alabama addition, as 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: we head to Mobile, Alabama, where my broadcast partner Dave 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Lapham is spending the week covering the Senior Bowl, where 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: the Bengals coaching staff is in charge of the South roster. 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: I'll spend about thirty five minutes with lap discussing the 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: prospects who have impressed him the most, and he'll share 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: what he's hearing from NFL people about a prospect who 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: is not Inmobile this week, quarterback Joe Burrow. Lap will 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: also discuss Andy Dalton's future in Cincinnati, the Bengals approach 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: to free agency this offseason, and answer questions you submitted 12 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: on Twitter. All of that is straight ahead, but first, 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: or computer by subscribing on iTunes, your Google Play, Spotify, 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since fun daily calendars. 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: We've had a bunch of these over the years. There 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: was the Thousand Places to See calendar with a different 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: cool picture every day, and I've had Sports Trivia daily calendars, 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: which are always fun. This year we have the New 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: York Times Daily Crossword Puzzle, which has become a great 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: family activity. So here's to fun daily calendars. And hey, 23 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: it's late January, so you can probably get a twenty 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: twenty version really cheap. Now let's get to football. After 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine Ers beat the Packers last 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: week to advance to the Super Bowl, several members of 27 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers coaching staff could be seen holding 28 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: interesting T shirts in the locker room after the game 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: that said the following Mobile to Miami. That's a reference 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: to the fact that the forty nine Ers staff coached 31 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: in the Senior Bowl in Mobile at the start of 32 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: the year, and we'll coach in the Super Bowl in 33 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: Miami to end the year. I'm not predicting that the 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: Bengals coaches will be wearing Mobile to Tampa T shirts 35 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: at the end of next season, but it does show 36 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: you that quick turnarounds do happen in the NFL. The 37 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: last time the Bengals coached in the Senior Bowl was 38 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: January of two eleven, after going four and twelve in 39 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: two ten. A few months after the All Star Game. 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: The Bengals drafted AJ Green in the first round, Andy 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: Dalton in the second round and began a streak of 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: five straight playoff appearances. My broadcast partner, Dave Lapham has 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: been in Mobile all week and join me on Friday 44 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: morning to share his observations. Lap You played in the 45 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in nineteen seventy four. How much has it 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: changed A ton? I mean, it's a Broadway production now 47 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: is prepared to nineteen seventy four when you can that 48 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: or you know, no ESPN, no NFL network, no cell phones, uh, 49 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: no equipment to video tape practices. You know the game 50 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: was on a sixteen millimeter film projector it's a totally 51 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: different dynamic. There are obviously a lot of people in attendance, 52 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: but back then and sent me for the only way 53 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: they could see what they wanted to see was to 54 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: get down there. And I remember, you know, past protecting 55 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: h against Carl Barzeloscis and two tall Jones, and it's 56 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: like there were a big circle of people like ten deep, 57 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: and you could literally reach out and touch an owner 58 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: or a GM or a head coach or a line coach. 59 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: It was crazy, it was you know, and you're thinking, well, 60 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: I hope I I've blocked somebody because I'm either going 61 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: to have validation or elimination here today it's day, It's time. 62 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: Who were the coaches in seventy four? I was the 63 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagle staff Mike McCormick's staff. So my infensive line 64 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: coach was John Sandusky, who was a great offensive lineman 65 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: with Mike McCormick with the Cleveland Browns and John Sandusky 66 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: that my most vivid memory of him was we had 67 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: a banquet the night before the Senior Bowl and he 68 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: was an accomplished ballroom dancer, and John Sandusky get up 69 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: there and started cutting a rug and it was impressive. 70 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: I mean, the big man was like a dancing bear. 71 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: And conside why he was such a good player with 72 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: the body size that he had, in his ability to 73 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: move his feed so adroitly. I mean, he was really 74 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: a good coach. I was very fortunate and special teams coach, 75 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: and that in that team was Dick Leboie, just retired 76 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: from playing with the Detroit Lions with a Hall of 77 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: Fame career as a player, soon to be a Hall 78 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: of Fame coach as well. But that was his first 79 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: introduction as a coach in the NFL as a special 80 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: teams coach with the Eagles, and special teams was interesting 81 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: when there's like sixty guys pro roster. Gosh, I think 82 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: we were like in the mid to high thirties. We 83 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: didn't have that many players. And special teams was none 84 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: of the guys that played special teams in college. They 85 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: were all their better players on their teams. So special 86 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: teams is very interesting and just cobbling things together. And 87 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: he said to me, big fella, you ever covered a 88 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: kick before? I said, no, sir, every in my life. 89 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: He said, you're about to. He said, you're one of 90 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: our faster line. You're gonna run down on kickgous Okay, 91 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: so he said, just you know, stay in your land 92 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: and get your head on a swivel. First kickoff. I 93 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: get down there, I'm like, man, I might make a play. 94 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting close here. And I get within like 95 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: a couple of arms lengths and boom, I get ear 96 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: holed by a defensive tackle out of the wedge. And 97 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: I thought, oh boy. So I come to the sideline 98 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: and Butpo's, like I told you, big fella, on a swivel, 99 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: keeping on a swivel. I said, yes, there, it was 100 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: a learning experience, but yeah, it was, it was. It 101 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: was just a it was a great the difference then 102 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: in seventy four, though, we get fifteen hundred dollars as 103 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: a winner. We won the Senior Bolt. David James hit 104 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: lyn Swan with a game winning touchdown passed for us, 105 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: and I loved lyn Swan for a moment, and then 106 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: I learned not to like him as much when he 107 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: got the pits for a bit. He got his fifteen 108 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: hundred to the winner, seven fifty to the the loser. So 109 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: I go back to Syracuse nineteen seventy four, fifteen hundred bucks, 110 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: and I thought I was a gazillionaire. It was. It 111 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: was great. Fifteen hundred back then was you know, significant, 112 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: significant money. But they don't. They don't do that anymore, 113 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: but I did. I called the athletic director before taking 114 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: the check because I thought, well, I know I don't 115 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: have any eligibility left, but my forfeiting a scholarship opportunity 116 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: here in the NCAA wasn't a stranger obviously back then. 117 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: And he's like, no, you're fine, you can go ahead 118 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: and take that. You've only had, you know, a few months, 119 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: a couple of months left for graduation. I go, okay, 120 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: you could do some damage on Marshall Street with fifteen 121 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Oh, I'm telling you, man, yeah, I was. 122 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: We used to gather it could comes to club Key 123 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: Sees was big hangout after I got the golf course 124 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: in the country club after games and man, h I 125 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: bought many around to TCAs with that fifteen hundred doubt. 126 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: All right, I want to talk about the guy who 127 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: is not there, Joe Burrow. I'm sure you've been talking 128 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: to people about him. What have you learned that you know? 129 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: The consensus on Joe Burrow obviously is he had the 130 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: greatest season college quarterback has ever had. UM, and that's 131 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: you know, that's just obvious by the numbers. But when you, 132 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, you deep dive into him, there's not a 133 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: box that he doesn't check and um, you know a 134 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: lot of the people that I've talked to, it's it's 135 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: very important with the you know, off the field beyond 136 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: the field stuff everybody can see, but the off the 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: field stuff. It's like I was talking to a few 138 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: people who said, you know, I always go and ask 139 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: these these coaches who is this player of friends with? 140 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: And if a which has to stroke his chin and say, 141 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: let me think about that, well maybe this guy. Maybe 142 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: that guy's like, you know with Joe Burrow, You say, 143 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: who who's whose friends with Joe Burrow? Everybody, whether it's 144 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: on the football team not on the football he's one 145 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: of those guys that is just I mean, a natural 146 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: born leader. Everybody gravitates toward. Um. He's got that in factor, 147 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, that that personality uh stuff, you know, the 148 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: boomeris Hiasin type stuff where you know, he's's kind of 149 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: a magnet and everybody loves the guy. And I'm I 150 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: started watching a little bit more of of of Borrow, 151 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: and the thing with him dan to me all the things. 152 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: You know, he throws into such tight windows. He's so 153 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: accurate with football. But and and two things. His um 154 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,239 Speaker 1: quick twitch, his short space quick twitch is very underrated. 155 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's making sec athletes. He's got him 156 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: in space, you know, like a good athletic linebacker or 157 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: even a defensive back. And he's putting the wiggle on him, 158 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: making him so. I mean, this guy's athleticism, I think 159 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: is not talked about as much as it could be. 160 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: And then he's got in the pocket. He's got that 161 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: innate ability to feel pressure. A lot of times when 162 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: guys feel pressure, they start looking down, looking around, you know, 163 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: trying to protect their legs and worried about where it's 164 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: coming from. Borrow has that ability to kind of sense 165 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: it and step up and slidestep and avoid and escape 166 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: the pocket. The whole time. His eyes are down the 167 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: field and he sees the field and he's gonna you know, 168 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: downfield the whole time, and boom he'll make a throw. 169 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: And that's that's I think, something that really separates him 170 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: from from a lot of guys. Uh. And then obviously 171 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: he's got the football acumen and I mean he processes 172 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: things so quickly. And um, you know the slow start 173 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: that LSU had, Uh they ran out. Clemson comes out 174 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: with through a three down lineman, a linebacker and seven 175 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: defensive backs. Basically quarter coverage. You know, it's not dime sits. 176 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: It's quarter coverage. Nickel, not dime go to a bigger coin. 177 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: You know, it's quarter coverage. And it's like, oh, they 178 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: got off their slow start. Well, he had a thirty 179 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: five yard completion and he had a blindman down field ineligibly. 180 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: He had two drops. So I mean it was a 181 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: combination of adjusting set scheme plus an execution. And you 182 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: know they go hand in hand because when you see 183 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: something for the first time, you know, it's maybe a 184 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: little apprehension, a little bit. I was gonna, boy, I 185 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: gotta get something done here kind of mentality, not just 186 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: a quarterback but everybody. But once they settled down, he 187 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: ripped it up, ripped it apart. In fact, they had 188 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: to get out of it. So I think in my mind, Dan, 189 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, I would I would say, hey, Joe, you're 190 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: my guy. You know, don't don't overthink it. Somebody's gonna 191 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: try to find something to rip them. You know, they're 192 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna try to find the negative during this draft process. 193 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: You know, he had a pimple in the seventh grade, 194 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: whatever it is, and they're gonna try to make a 195 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: big deal out of it and be satisfied that your 196 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: evaluation processes there. Don't worry, be happy, take them. And 197 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: I would declare it. I'd say Joe early on, I'd said, Joe, 198 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: you're our guy. I remember when they drafted Carston Palmer, 199 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: they signed him before they drafted them three days before 200 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: they drafted them. And I'm not quite sure about the 201 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: rules now and if you can do it, and if 202 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: you do it, you decide to go public with it 203 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: or whatever. But I would say to him, Look, you 204 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: don't have to go to all these other team visits, 205 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: you don't have to go to the combine, you don't 206 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: have to go and burn your arm out, you don't 207 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: have to do all this wrong. A lot of these 208 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks don't really have a better year until their second 209 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: year because they do so much of that before they're 210 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: even drafted. By the end of October, beginning in November, 211 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: they've got a dead arm. So I would I would 212 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: definitely say, Joe Chill, you're our guy. Don't feel pressure 213 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: that you have to go everywhere and do everything for everybody. 214 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason, the biggest reason he's 215 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: not here dan as he had a fifteen game season 216 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: and an NFL season basically, and he knows what's coming. 217 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: So I think he just said I need a little 218 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: bit of time to kick back with family and girlfriend 219 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: all those kinds of things, and totally understandable, um, but 220 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: but I would even you know, lessen the burden on him. 221 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: Mentally and see, Joe, you don't have to worry about 222 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: all that stuff. We've made the decision. You're our guy. Yeah, 223 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: nothing else. Say to the agent, Hey, if he wants 224 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: to throw it his pro day, go ahead, but don't 225 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: do anything beyond that. Yeah. I mean, you know you 226 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: go to these workouts, private workouts. They wear you out, 227 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: you know at these at these uh you know, each club. 228 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 1: You know, you go for interview and then they'll go on, 229 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: let me go down and see him throw. I just 230 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: want to see your throw all time. Let me just 231 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: see your throw one more. You know. It's like, man, 232 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: I'd avoid all that, I really would. I'd let it 233 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: be known at least to him and his agent for 234 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: sure that you know you are going to be our guy. 235 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: Don't feel like you have to do anything else. We 236 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: are making the maybe to you. We want you to 237 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: be as ready for us as we are to take you. 238 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: We want you to be ready to um you know, 239 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: be with us physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, every way possible. 240 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: We don't want you worn out. We want Joe Burrow. 241 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: We already have full fledged Burrowmania. In Cincinnati. He gets 242 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: spotted getting chicken wings and TV News cruise show up. 243 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: Would you be shocked at this point if he's not 244 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: the guy? I would, I really would. I will say 245 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: though Herbert has put on a show with his arm. 246 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean he has got arm talent, there's no question 247 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: about it. Um. And and he'll probably he'll go to 248 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: the combine and he'll run probably in the to meet Dana. 249 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: Looks like he's a high four sixes guy. And um, 250 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, but when I watch him and this is 251 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: just practice now, you know, so it's not a game. Um, 252 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: but when when I when I've seen him like I 253 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: saw him in the in the in the Big twelve 254 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: championship stuff, and he's he's more methodical, I guess is 255 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: a polite way to put it, or mechanical would be 256 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: more impolite. First read secondary, okay, now tuck it, you know, 257 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: now I'm going to do this. He doesn't have them. 258 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: You know, we talked about about Joe Burrow, you know, 259 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: having that short space suddenness and you know, quick twitch. 260 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: He takes him two or three steps to get going, 261 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: and once he gets going, he goes. But he's not 262 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: like a short you know, He's not one of those 263 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: explosive kind of guys. But his arm is unbelievable. And 264 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: the thing about him. Two things I respect about him 265 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: is he could have come out last year and made 266 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: a lot of money. He would have been a first rounder. 267 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: But he went back to Oregon. He felt like, all right, 268 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: you you made a commitment to me. I'm going to 269 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: fulfill my obligation to you. And he stayed for another year. 270 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: You know, he wanted to win Big twelve championship, get 271 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: in the playoffs and try to try to make a run. 272 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: So that tells me something about his character. Plus the 273 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: other thing is he was not going to come to 274 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl unless he was on the South and 275 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: he said, I want to compete for the number one 276 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: spot in the draft. I want to go down there, 277 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: and just knocked the socks off of the Bengals organization. 278 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: So he's got that. You know, he's got that competitive 279 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: drive and everything. I respect that about his character. But 280 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: I think he's he's more one of those guys where 281 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: he's very, very bright. He won the academic Heisman. But 282 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: I bet if you go to his coaches, you know, 283 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: so who's justin hanwith Who's who are his guys? I 284 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: bet there'd be you know, a laborious list of a 285 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: few people. I'm not sure he's one of those guys 286 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: that everybody gravitates toward. You know what I liked about 287 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: Joe barrow after the game, sitting back smoking the cigar. 288 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: I could just see him smoking a cigar, having a 289 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: beer with his old lineman. That's my guy. You know. 290 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: It's like just a regular dude, Joe barrow Man. That's uh, 291 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: you know, I love that. It's just yeah, well, I'm 292 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: just gonna I'm just gonna chill out and enjoy this moment. Boy, 293 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: these things have come hu and far between. And then 294 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: as a former lineman, when he get up at that 295 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: Heisman presentation and the first thing he did was thank 296 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: his boy's upfront, Like, oh man, this guy gets it, 297 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: you know. I mean his dad coach for solo. He 298 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: just like I said, Dan, I don't think there's a 299 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: box the dude doesn't check. You can try to create boxes. 300 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: I think he's still checks. One more Joe Burrow question 301 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: and then we'll move on. In nineteen ninety nine, the 302 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: Bengals famously turned down the Saints offer of all of 303 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: their draft picks that year, including number twelve overall plus 304 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: their first rounder in two thousand, plus their first rounder 305 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, plus their second rounder in 306 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and two. They turned all of that down 307 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: because of a quarterback and drafted Achille Smith. If there 308 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: was an offer out there close to that magnitude three 309 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: number one picks because somebody is just smitten with Joe Burrow, 310 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: would they take it? I really, honestly, I think the 311 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: lesson of that is, if somebody wants to offer you there, 312 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, mortgage their whole draft. I don't know how 313 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: you don't take a whole draft for a player I 314 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: don't care who the damn player is. Means It's like, 315 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think there's gonna be anything 316 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: quite like that. Obviously, the Miami Dolphins with three number ones. 317 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if they if they say, we'll give you 318 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: all three number ones this year, number one next year 319 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: and a number two next year and whatever, I mean, 320 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: if they start coming up with something crazy like that, 321 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: you at least have to contemplate it. But you know, 322 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: as it turns out, this ends up not being a 323 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: bad year to have an off year with these quarterback options. 324 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: You know, it really isn't, So you know, the fact is, yeah, 325 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow I think deserves to be the first one picked. 326 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: But that's not to say that Herbert wouldn't have a 327 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: brilliant career. So you know, if you're going to get mortgage, 328 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to get somebody's future and 329 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: brighten near future, you might think about it a little bit. 330 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: I mean, there are three quarterbacks projected to go in 331 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: the first round. Love Kid quarterbacks in to the North 332 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: as the third one projected to go in the first round. 333 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: I'll tell you watching Jalen Hurt. If Jalen hurts, he 334 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: could be the way the way that this game shaping 335 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: up Dan. The Bengals have the better quarterbacks. They have 336 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: the best offensive player I think in the game in Herbert. 337 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: I think he's the best offensive player. They had the 338 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: best defensive player on their roster, and list kid in 339 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: the one on ones. Oh my god, four hands, four 340 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: eyes on Javon Kinla. They never walked him in the 341 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: one on one drills. I mean, he's to me, he's 342 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: he's top fifteen pick. If he's not top fifteen, I'll 343 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: be stunned. South Carolina. But he nipped himself up in 344 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: the last day of the heavy contact one on one, 345 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: so he didn't practice ester. I think his agent is 346 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: going to stay. Look, if you play, you're you're ignorant, 347 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you get nicked up a little bit. 348 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: People couldn't believe even came to the senior ball, And 349 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: I think it shows his character. He was taking every 350 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: rep that he was supposed to take in those one 351 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: on ones and exposed himself to you know, potential injury. 352 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: That told me a lot about him. But oh my god, 353 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: is he a beast. I mean he's stidy. You weren't 354 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: getting as the best first when you're on the road, 355 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: he's he's an intuminating dude. But um, you know, yeah, 356 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: it's it's I think they've got the better quarterbacks, but 357 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: the North has better offense and defensive lineman, so it's 358 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: gonna be all right, Well, will the quarterback have an 359 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: opportunity to function? So we'll see about Herbert, you know, 360 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: creating plays because I think the North the defensive and 361 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: offensive lines are pretty good. So I think the battle 362 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: and the pit pits could tilt towards the North. But 363 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: if Herbert shows he can create an extent. If he can't, 364 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: I think incomes hurt can and he could potentially be 365 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: MPP if he makes plays and they win the football game, 366 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: and you know, then everybody'd be like, wow, what about 367 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: Jaylor this maybe he should be a number one first 368 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: round pick. But you know, the practices in the Senior 369 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: Bowl are more important than the game because you know, 370 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: they're these coaches are living with these guys all week 371 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: long in the classroom, on the football field, seeing how 372 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: they interact with their teammates, seeing what they're like when 373 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: the cameras are on them, you know, I mean they're 374 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: living with them for a week. So all of that 375 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: is much more valuable than you know, the game, the 376 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: actual game tape, because they're you know, so many things 377 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: can happen with respect to you know, not your your performance, 378 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: other people perform well enough around you, and all those 379 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: kind of things, and it's it's very very vanilla again. 380 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they can't twist and stunt upfront with defensive line. 381 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: They can't blitz for man pressures backs, you know, no 382 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: zone blitz stuff. Nope, buzz coverages were linebackers and defensive 383 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: backs interchange responsibilities, I mean safety in the middle of 384 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: the football field when they're playing press man it's all elements. 385 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: I could play quarterback and make reads and this football 386 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: This is not going to challenge any of these guys mentally. 387 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: But you know, if somebody gets dominated physically, then these 388 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are gonna have to, you know, run around and 389 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: make some plays and we'll see how all that unfolds. 390 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: Duke Tobin, the Bengals director of player personnel, doesn't do 391 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: interviews during the season. They allow the head coach to 392 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: be their singular voice. But he's been talking to everybody 393 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: in Mobile I know, and I know you were in 394 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: on a group session with him. What did you make 395 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: of his comments about Andy Dalton where he said we 396 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: want to be there to Andy. Yeah, that tells me 397 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: that they appreciate the career that he's had. You know, 398 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: what he represents, and once he has mentioned the franchise 399 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: both on and off football field. He's had Pro Bowl 400 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: seasons and you know, he's had seasons that haven't been obviously, 401 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: but on balance that, the entire body of work has 402 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: been impressive and the organization thinks extremely highly of Andy 403 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: Dalton as a football player, as a human being obviously, 404 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: So I think that if they do, you know, he's 405 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: not gonna He wasn't going to declare that, yeah, we're 406 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: trading any because they still don't know exactly what's happening yet. 407 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: He didn't want to declare anything at that oppressive. But 408 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: my feeling is that if they do draft Joe Burrow 409 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: number one, they're going to make every effort to trade 410 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. But I don't think they're going to give 411 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: him away because they do value him. So it's going 412 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: to be interesting because it's going to be a tug 413 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: of war. We want. We know Andy deserves to be 414 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: a starter. We know he is starting caliber quarterback in 415 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: the NFL. We feel we get a young guy that 416 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: can take us to a higher level, but that doesn't 417 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: diminish the fact that Andy can play in this league 418 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: and we feel like we owe him that opportunity, but 419 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: we're not going to give him away. So it's gonna 420 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be very interesting. Somebody's gonna have to come 421 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: to the table or something. And you know, we both 422 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: feel like you know, everybody, everybody overvalues their own, and 423 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: the Bengals overvalue of their own big time. So is 424 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: it gonna be one of those deals where man, you know, man, 425 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: maybe we aren't being a little unrealistic. Nobody's coming close 426 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: to what we're asking. Do we say, all right, we're 427 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: gonna keep Andy Dalton. He's gonna be a bench jockey, 428 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, to our to our number one guy. And 429 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: you know what, knowing Andy Dalton, he would eventually accept 430 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: it and do a great job of it. But in 431 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: trying to be fair to Andy Dalton, I would bend 432 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: over backwards to make sure I could make some kind 433 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: of a dealing at something for him. When I asked 434 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: about free age and see Duke said you don't want 435 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: to force it. Does that mean business as usual in 436 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: your mind? Yeah, it's you know, that's that's the interesting 437 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: uh that that phraseology jumped out of me. There's no 438 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: doubt about that. You know, it's uh, you know, Bengal 439 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: fans are just they're they're just lusting for something, you know, 440 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: give us, give us some kind of uh something we 441 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: can hang our hat on, something to get excited and 442 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: enthused about. And you know, the Bengals their business model 443 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: is like, no, we're gonna be very you know, we're 444 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: going to go through the process and we're not gonna 445 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: we're not going to overpay for somebody, you know, Um, 446 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: you can look at the statistics, it's you know, free agents, 447 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: it's it's a fifty fifty deal, just like the draft, 448 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's, uh, it's a matter of you 449 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: don't hit on. It's fifty fifty with the first pick 450 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: of the draft, fifty fifty with the first round. There's 451 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: fifty fifty everywhere in in and free agency as well. 452 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: And again, like we just mentioned to talking about, you know, 453 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: over were sometimes over evaluating, you know, over saying ounk 454 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: our guys are worth more than the rest of the league. 455 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: Feels like they're worth. But then you look at um 456 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, at the beginning of the year, more more 457 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: guys they were drafted by the Bengals are playing in 458 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: the NFL than anybody. And as a season wears on, 459 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: it's like they're still number two, still number three, and 460 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: they finished the season times a third or whatever. That 461 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: tells you that they're putting the bat on the ball. 462 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: But then is it a question of does it fit right? 463 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: Is to developmental process, you know, working well enough, It's 464 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: not like they're they're you know, totally missing on um 465 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: on a higher percentage of players and other teams in 466 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: the league are. But we're so tunnel visioned on the 467 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: Bengals that every miss is you know, it's like, oh 468 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: my god, the worst mistake in the history of football. 469 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: Every franchise has their missus. Believe me. I mean that's 470 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: what people down here are talking about. It's like being 471 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: the drafts are such a crapshoot. Everything is such a crapshoot. 472 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: It's it's it's the most it's the more non scientific 473 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: thing that there isn't the history of mankind. All Right, 474 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: you gave us your best offensive player you've seen down there, 475 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: quarterback Justin Herberge. You gave us your best defensive player, 476 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: defensive lineman, Javon ken Law from South Carolina. What's been 477 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: the most impressive position group? Well, that's that's I don't 478 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: think that. I don't think the offensive line for the 479 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: South is anything to you know, write home about. But 480 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: fortunately Dan when we looked at Fred Johnson and made 481 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: himself some money in Isaiah Prince and they want to 482 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: take a long look at and Jonah Williams. That's three 483 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: guys that they're gonna have it next year's training camp 484 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: that they didn't have it this year's training Jenner and 485 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, They're hopeful that Jonah. They know what he 486 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: is prior to injury. They hope he's the same guy 487 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: post surgery. Laboring surgery, Fred made himself some money doing 488 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: what he did at the left tackle position. He started 489 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: against Cleveland, played well to finished the season with his 490 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: first start, and then Isaiah Princess then interesting guy from 491 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: Ohio State to take a look at. So, I mean, 492 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: that's three guys on the on the exterior, you know, 493 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: at the tackle position that that you're going to be. 494 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: It's it's a much different dynamic. So I'm kind of 495 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: focusing on the inside guys. Um, And you know, I was. 496 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: I was real excited to see Logan Stenberg the first 497 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: day of one on ones and he's malling people nasty. 498 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: Then I'm watching them in protection and the next day 499 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: of one on one and he's getting beaten a lot 500 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: by my gang. So there's an interesting guy, his kid 501 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: named Ben Bartch from Saint John's Division three kid and um, 502 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: you know at six six three five three or five 503 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: three ten something like that, good looking kid. And I'm thinking, okay, 504 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: well here he is going against some SEC guys. Let's uh, 505 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: let's take a look. And he belongs. He belongs. It 506 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: is not too big for him. He's an interesting guy 507 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: you know that you've worked with maybe later, I think 508 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: later in the draft kind of thing. Like I said, 509 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: I do think that that the North has has the 510 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: better players. I think Jeremy Jackson from Ohio State is 511 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: a guy. I think he's a day one starting guard 512 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: type guy. I think been greatest in from Michigan is 513 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: a day one starting guard type guy. You know inside, um, 514 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting that this kid, Matt Hennessey from Temple 515 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: Is is a really good run blockers, pass protection to 516 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: me is a little is a little bit shady. Josh 517 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: Jones his kid from Houston. Everybody's going nuts on him 518 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: down here, and he's he's seeing him get six seven 519 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: three ten, but his arms measured thirty two and eight 520 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: a little t Rex action. You know, he's got short arms. 521 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, is this guy a guard because you 522 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: know what those short arms. But I'll tell you when 523 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: you watch him, he's got very very patient, quiet feet 524 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: and violent hands. I mean he's got exactly what you 525 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: want from a technique standpoint to go at that long body. 526 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: So I mean there are there are some lineman. And 527 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: you know, probably one of the strongest positions is wide 528 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: receiver position because the strongest position in the draft, and 529 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: there is a trickle down there. Um. But you know, 530 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, you know, if healthy, how many wide 531 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: receivers are the Bengals looking at potentially. But one of 532 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: my more interesting conversations was with Mike Mayock because the 533 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: Raiders coaches are coaching staff had this last year. They 534 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: drafted six players from their senior Bowl, four they coached 535 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: and two they coached against. And what the Bengals having 536 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: the first thirty three, thirty third, sixty ninety seven, four 537 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: of the top one hundred fix Heck, you know, I 538 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: Borrow obviously isn't here. He's maybe gonna be the number one, 539 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: the thirty three, sixty five ninety seven, they could all 540 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: be here. They could be coaching them. There's a I 541 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: got this this line. You know, I'm looking at linebackers 542 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: and the Bengal the Bengal South team has more outside 543 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: linebacker prospects. The North has more inside linebacker prospects. So 544 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: some guys to watch, I think, you know, as as 545 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: as the game unfolds. Logan Wilson, a kid from Wyoming 546 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: inside linebacker number thirty for the North six two, two 547 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: fifty man. He looks good. I mean, tackling machine. Somebody 548 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: that people are talking about. This Evan Weaver from California 549 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: sixty three two thirty five two forty an insidebacker. To me, 550 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: he looks a little stiff. I'm not. I don't as 551 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: if I were blocking an inside linebacker. I look forward 552 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: to blocking Weaver more than I look forward to blocking 553 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: Logan Wilson. I think he's just got a little bit 554 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: more to him in terms of total package outside linebacker 555 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: in my opinion, to Bengals half the best outside linebacker. 556 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: Let's let's call him an edge rush sam. You know, 557 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: strong side outside linebacker prospect in Terrell Lewis out of 558 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: Alabama six five, two fifty two, and he doesn't look 559 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: two fifty two and men he was wanting to do 560 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: one on one pass rush. He's he's been the edge 561 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: rush guy that they've had the most trouble with. His 562 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: problem is he's had a big injury history. He's durability issues. 563 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: That's why he's here because you know this kid, Dan, 564 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: A lot of these guys will line up wide and 565 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: then rush wide. They just run up the field and thinking, 566 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: what the hell, I don't even have to really block. 567 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: You're taking yourself out of the pass rushing. This kid 568 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: don't line up wide and take a perfect rush lane. 569 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he gets football. He's been coached really well, 570 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: obviously by Alabama coaching staff. That kid, I would I 571 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: would be all over him at thirty three. If he's there, 572 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: I would jump on Lewis and I'd sprint to the podium. Um. 573 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: A linebacker from Appalachian State that sa Keem Davis Gaither 574 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: what's that little yeah six two two fifteen and run. 575 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Darren Simmons, I've bet is in 576 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: love with this dude. He plays some special teams for him. 577 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: But he's one of these guys that you know, we're like, 578 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: we're we need we need a linebacker. They can cover 579 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: these people that when we getting these nickel and dime packages. 580 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: You know, somebody in space boom this guy, this guy 581 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: can fit the bill. Watching him, Um, I think I 582 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: think he's an interesting guy to look at. There's another 583 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: outside linebacker, like a combo type guy from from Colorado, 584 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: Davion Taylor six two two twenty five type guy. He's 585 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: a he's a will will backer as well, can run, 586 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, I like him. Um. And then there's the 587 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: combination I was talking about outside backer maybe can rush 588 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: from Cam Brown out of Penn State six five, two 589 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: thirty five, you can put on a ton of more way, 590 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: a big frame, very versatile. He's played he played Mike, 591 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: he played Sam, He's played Will. He's a edge rushman. 592 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: When I watched him, he's a little high, his pad 593 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: levels high, you know, as a former alignment, I'd like 594 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: to stroke him because he's he's uh, he plays, He's 595 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: gonna get that pad level down or or get bigger, 596 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's he's long and very lean, and 597 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: he's got he's got a lot of position versatility. But 598 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm not as I'm not as totally keen on him 599 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: as maybe some people are because of watching his style 600 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: of play, the way he plays. But it's been it's 601 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: been fun. It's been fun, you know, taking a look 602 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: at these guys in the Bengals positions of need and 603 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: seeing what might you know, what might match up and uh, 604 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: and the fact that they get to spend the whole 605 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: week with him is just a huge advantage. There's another 606 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: Um there's a defensive lineman, a couple of defensive lineman. 607 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: Kenny Willikies from Michigan State, sixty four two sixty pass 608 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: rush guy, he looks like you know, he's he's somebody 609 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: that that can play in the league and get out 610 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: of Utah. And a Bradley Um he's he's sixty three, 611 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: two sixty five type guy. Another linebacker, dan Zach Bond 612 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: out of out of Wisconsin six three, two thirty five. 613 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: Very that's another look. Look look at the kid from Wisconsin, 614 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: the kids from Wyoming looks the edge guy from Alabama. 615 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: You know, I think with that thirty third pick, it 616 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: would not stun me if they feel it's worthy that 617 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: the linebacker position might be it. But I think they 618 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: take the best defensive player on the board, regardless of 619 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: position at number thirty three, because, like Dutop was saying 620 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: at the pressor um, they could use an infusion at 621 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: all three position group levels of their football. All right, 622 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap this up with a few questions from 623 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: Twitter followers. I added these down to think to what 624 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: I think is possible for you to answer. Here we 625 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: go from Stephen if Burrow is the pick and Dalton 626 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: is traded, is Finley the backup or what a veteran 627 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: be signed? I would I would think they try to 628 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: get some sort of veteran presence in there. Um that 629 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: would not would not surprise me whatsoever. And there are 630 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: there are guys that that will be out there that 631 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,719 Speaker 1: do have some kind of NFL exposure, and um, I 632 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: almost think that you'd have to do that to have 633 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: a complete quarterback room. I'd be surprised if they didn't 634 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: do that. From Greg, could a wide receiver go as 635 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: early as round two? Yeah, I mean the way you 636 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: look at it, if if that wide receiver, if somebody 637 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: that they have rated as a bid first round pick 638 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, slides to the beginning of the second round, 639 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: they'll pounce. They'll pounce. You know, they're not going to 640 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: reach for it wouldn't be a reach. They're not going 641 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: to say, we'll take the guy that we have rated 642 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: very high in the in the second round at number 643 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: thirty three. If they have a mid first round guy 644 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: that they could get late in the first round, which 645 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: is basically what the thirty third pick is, you know, 646 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: my mind is like another late first round pick. So 647 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: I think that whoever they have that they had rated 648 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: in that middle of the first round. If somebody's there 649 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: at thirty three, you gotta you gotta reshuffle. I mean, 650 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: at that point you have to say, let's let's take 651 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: that player, because you know there was a two and 652 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: fourteen mark. They just want to get the best football 653 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: players they can possibly get from Christopher. Your thoughts on 654 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: Fred Johnson's performance in the last few games of the year, Uh, impressed. 655 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, Fred. Fred's a big goode obviously. Uh. You know, 656 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: he's he played basketball, initially, only played one year in 657 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: high school football. He gets a scholarship to Florida so 658 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: and then now he's in the nation, all the Steelers 659 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: bringing the National Football League, And I mean he's long. 660 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: Uh you know, he's He's a big, big dude, very athletic, 661 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: has plenty of smarts to be able to handle it. 662 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: He's got a he wants to finish people. He's got 663 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of a street to him, got a 664 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: little meanness to him. I mean, he's very competitive, very physical. 665 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: I like him. I mean I think that, like I 666 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: said earlier, it's he's playing in a mindset. He really 667 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: doesn't know what he doesn't know yet, But boy, worked 668 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: with him developing him. I think he's I think he's 669 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,959 Speaker 1: got some potential. I think he has not come close 670 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: yet to hit this ceiling. And what's you're seeing already's 671 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: pretty good from Jason. How far is the offensive line 672 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: from being good? Is it a couple of draft picks? 673 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: Is it a free agent or two? How far away? Yeah? 674 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean John Williams comes back and he's the guy 675 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: that they thought he was going to beat before injury. 676 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: That kind of solves that problem. M But you know, 677 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: like we saw they want to They played four or 678 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: five guys at left tackle last year. I mean it 679 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: was a it was a game of musical chairs. I 680 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: mean it was a merry go round at that depth position. 681 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: So you can never have enough good ones. Um, So 682 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm saying, Fred Johnson, Isaiah Prentzill's guys 683 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: end up in the mix. Now you're talking about a 684 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: couple of tackles to evaluate the process. You didn't even 685 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: have last year, you know, a training camp, and I 686 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: think I think that there you have. You have to 687 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: have seven. You have to have seven in today's NFL 688 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: because a lot of games last year the Bengals only 689 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: activated seven offensive line. So with that said, the two 690 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: guys that aren't starting, they're gonna be able to play 691 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: multiple positions. So how many how many players that the 692 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: Bengals have that fits that bill? They've got, They've got, 693 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: you know, some to get some. But I do to 694 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: answer the question, Yeah, if there's somebody out there in 695 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: free agency, an interior player that can play you know, 696 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: center on both guards, and there's a tackle out there 697 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: that is a swing tackle, has proven he can play 698 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: both tackle spots, they can get either either or of 699 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: those two in free agency, get the other one in 700 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 1: the draft, you know, and attack if, however, free agency unfolds, 701 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: if they don't get any in freecy, try to attack 702 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,879 Speaker 1: both of them the draft. They get one in free 703 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: to attack the other one in the draft. That's a 704 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: natural segue to this question from Chris. Any chance that 705 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth would come back to play guard and finish 706 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: his career as a Bengal, Well, I think there's a 707 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: It would be a long shot because wits compensation is 708 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: at the point where you know, he's being compensated for 709 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: a left tackle, has been in the league for a 710 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: big number of years, and I mean that was the 711 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,439 Speaker 1: issue basically when he left that you know, they offered 712 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: him what they thought was a fair deal and you 713 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: got a lot more to go, so you know, I 714 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: guess it's also applying demand though, if there's not other 715 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: opportunities out there. And what's always had a good relationship 716 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: with the Cincinnati Bengals in there, you know, management people 717 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: in the Brown family. So I guess I guess you 718 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: never say never, but I would say highly unlikely. All right. 719 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: Final question from a Twitter follower. This is from Marty. 720 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: When are you going on Twitter or getting a blog? Anything? 721 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: Hearing from you once a week isn't enough? Sorry to 722 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: disappointment at Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want 723 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: to complicate my life like I admire in respect the 724 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: heck out of you guys that are just are just 725 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: so diligent at it. I mean, man, if I were, 726 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: if I were, you know, a few years younger, I 727 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: might think about it. But I'm like, get off my lawn, bro, 728 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: all right, lap, I asked you for twenty minutes to 729 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: a half an hour. I think we're at thirty six 730 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: minutes now, so I overdid it. But I'll tell you 731 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: i'd come back to town and I'll compensate you by 732 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: taking you out to the precinct and getting you a 733 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow steak. How's that sad? That's awesome? In case 734 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, the steak Borrow at Jeff Ruby 735 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: Steakhouse is a sixteen ounce blackened prime rib i with 736 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: Creole crawfish sauce. Yum. It isn't cheap. It goes for 737 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: sixty five bucks, but nine dollars of every steak Burrow 738 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: sold goes to the Athens County Food Pantry in honor 739 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: of Burrow's uniform number at LSU. That's going to do 740 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: it for this episode of the podcast. If you haven't 741 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: done so already, don't forget to subscribe wherever you get 742 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: your podcasts, and if you have a minute, please give 743 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,720 Speaker 1: it a rating or share a comment. Five star ratings 744 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: help more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde 745 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: and thank you for listening to The Bengals Booth podcast