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Speaker 2: All right, let's have some fun talking about from Bravaldez

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Speaker 2: landing with the Tigers. First off, aj I need to

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Speaker 2: give full credit to Detroit. I was quite critical of

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Speaker 2: their off season, but their off season wasn't done yet,

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Speaker 2: and if you looked at their off season before this,

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Speaker 2: actually they didn't even have the choice Glabor Torres returning

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Speaker 2: right with the qualifying offer. They signed Kyle Finnegan, they

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Speaker 2: had him already, they signed him back. Kenlee Jansen was

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Speaker 2: an addition Drew Anderson coming from overseas. But it was

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Speaker 2: a very very weak looking off season until they land

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Speaker 2: from Ravaldez. Thirty eight million dollars, highest ever average annual

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Speaker 2: value thirty eight per year, I should say, highest average

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Speaker 2: annual value for a left handed pitcher ever three years,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen million dollars. It's the most money

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Speaker 2: and the most years given out during the Scott Harris

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Speaker 2: Harris since he's taken over as the Tigers leader in

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Speaker 2: the front office. Yes, they did offer brag midmore than

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Speaker 2: thatlast year, but he didn't take it. So your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on all of this and how it makes the one

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Speaker 3: Two things on this one.

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Speaker 4: First of all, if you went into this offseason and said,

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Speaker 4: and now these guys weren't on the Tigers last year,

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Speaker 4: Glaber Finn, again, there was another whoever they there was

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Speaker 4: another one they brought back, and they brought those guys

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Speaker 3: Let's just use Kenley.

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Speaker 4: Okay, he'd be like, man, the Tigers had a pretty

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Speaker 4: good offseason. But because they were some of those guys

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Speaker 4: just brought back the same team. Kind of like the

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Speaker 4: argument with the Yankees is right, now you throw fromber

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Speaker 4: in top. Yes, now you have a one two punch.

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Speaker 4: And what did aj Hinch say when we talked to

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Speaker 4: him all the time, We need another guy behind Trek

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Speaker 4: to really take pressure off Terrek. They're hoping it would

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Speaker 4: be Jack Flaherty. He's up and down right. They're hoping

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Speaker 4: it has been Casey Mice. He's had injury problems. He

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Speaker 4: did make the All Stars team last year, though, Reees

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Speaker 4: Soulsen had some injury problems. But now you go, Tarek

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Speaker 4: Frommer do you throw Jack against the three with the

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Speaker 4: way aj Hinch can manage a bullpen in the postseason.

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Speaker 4: Casey My looking good as a four, Olsen as the five.

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Speaker 4: This is a pretty good starting rotation, and you throw

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Speaker 4: in McGonagall and some of the other guys that they

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Speaker 4: have coming. The Tigers are on the rise, even if

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Speaker 3: I love what they've done.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: Once it's done, they might go on sign someone else

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Speaker 4: who that he knows, but right now where they're at,

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Speaker 4: I love where the Tigers position themselves, especially as Bob

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Speaker 4: Nightingale said in an Al Central that you can go

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of teams that have like five quality pitchers,

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Speaker 5: and I would say some of those rotations people would

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Speaker 5: argue are better. Nobody has a top heavy lineup like this. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: a top heavy rotation like this. Obviously, if Zach Wheeler

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Speaker 5: I think that would be in power packed one to two,

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Speaker 5: across the league, American League, American League, Central, National, it

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Speaker 5: doesn't matter against lefties has been way down. This is

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Speaker 5: a massive, massive pickup for a team who has gone

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Speaker 5: to the playoffs the last two years and said, all right, well,

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Speaker 5: if I can just figure out how to win one

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Speaker 5: other game, you know, Scooble's gonna win it, and then

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Speaker 5: they go out and lose Schoobles games in different in

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Speaker 5: different fashions, and the Tigers still move on. So now,

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Speaker 5: the fact that they have two lefties that are both

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Speaker 2: Well top heavy, I mean, I like some of the

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Speaker 2: Top heavy means there's not much on the bottom. There's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there totally is.

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Speaker 5: But but as far as like a the fact that

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Speaker 5: Framber is a number one for all but maybe eight teams,

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Speaker 5: and he slots in behind the best pitcher in the game,

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Speaker 1: We heard this from tons of teams. The Red Sox

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Speaker 5: We're not going out for any We're not gonna go

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Speaker 5: a number one to slot in behind Garrett Crochet.

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Speaker 1: They had their chance.

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Speaker 5: If you slot in a frame Ervaldez behind there, if

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Speaker 5: you know, then hey, you know what. The Red Sox

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Speaker 5: have that top heavy rotation. I don't mean top heavy

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Speaker 5: in a negative way, because I really like what reees

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Speaker 5: think Casey mis Will has a chance to have an

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Speaker 5: I think it's a great rotation, but it is ridiculous

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Speaker 4: I'm only mad about one thing here, Honestly, I saw

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Speaker 4: Scott Harris at the BBWAA. He didn't tell us that

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Speaker 4: this was coming down the pipeline, and it would have

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Speaker 1: When I saw him.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he could have been like, hey, I just

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Speaker 4: Oh you know, hey, off the record, we're going to

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Speaker 4: sign fromber Just don't tell anybody.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I won't, but just so I would have known

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Speaker 4: And when everyone was saying pirates orios, I could have

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Speaker 4: been like, what about the Tigers.

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Speaker 3: I would have looked really smart.

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Speaker 2: But I understand, don't you think Frombert probably was trying

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Speaker 2: even if it was over four years whatever. It is, right,

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Speaker 3: No, but I don't care about them, Scott.

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Speaker 2: And he comes down on the price and the Tigers

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Speaker 4: It's all about foul territory though, Scott. Look how smart

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Speaker 4: we would have looked if we just would have said

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I think My point is that I don't know if

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Speaker 2: the thing, can I I can actually give you a difference.

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Speaker 4: So this has been going on for weeks now, so

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Speaker 4: he knew Scott when I see you, I don't know

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Speaker 4: when else see you, Scote, but I'm coming for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 2: I love Scott Monday of me, Monday.

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Speaker 4: Scott Harris. I love Scott here. Actually he's great. So

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Speaker 4: I can't. I can't. It's just it's all in fun. Okay,

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Speaker 2: This was the first time that he gave up a

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Speaker 2: pick with the signing too right. He had been playing

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Speaker 2: the long game, and we were saying all off season,

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Speaker 2: when is this team going to push their chips? And

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Speaker 2: this is the kind of move that pushes your chips

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Speaker 2: it looks like that is definitely possible. We're talking aj Hinch,

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Speaker 2: the week between this signing and the arbitration result. Again,

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Speaker 2: soon as we find it out. But also, this team

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Speaker 2: has not one, not two, but three free agents in

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Speaker 2: just Schoogle, Casey Maiz and Jack Flaherty are both free agents,

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Speaker 2: so let's assume you lose all of them. Fran Barvaldez

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Speaker 5: What oh no, I just have one comment that just

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Speaker 5: When Hin's got the job with the Tigers. He and

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Speaker 5: I were talking and he was talking about what they

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Speaker 5: teams who have this like plethora of pipeline, it's just

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Speaker 5: If two work out, If you have six prospects, you're lucky.

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Speaker 5: If two or three work out, like, it's not your

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Speaker 5: entire organization ready. So good for the Tigers for saying, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Casey Mice seems like he's hit. Scooble obviously has hit.

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Speaker 5: But if you go back to Wyn Hinch was first hired,

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Speaker 5: they've built this playoff team during this time and they're

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Speaker 2: I agree. And for from Er, I mean, the age

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Speaker 2: Maybe teams tried to dig him in the second half

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Speaker 2: I think it was the highest it had been in

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Speaker 2: a lot to like and Aja when you watch him pitch,

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Speaker 2: it looks like that's going to last. He's also got

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Speaker 2: the build. This is not a fragile dude.

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Speaker 1: This is a big dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're more worried, I mean, just being straightforward here,

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Speaker 2: You're more worried about the mental game. And let's forget

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Speaker 2: the Salazar incident. We've talked about that enough. It's just

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Speaker 2: with mental skills coaches stuff like that. That's not a secret.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations, we have me mentioned congratulations of Frombur and his family,

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Speaker 3: NAT's Twins.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, come on, they.

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Speaker 2: Freddy Prince.

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Speaker 5: How were they were They like that guy at an

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Speaker 5: And they like scratched their head and they were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: No, We've done this exercise before. They're not that. What

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Speaker 1: They're like, dang it. I really want to know.

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Speaker 5: I hope it comes out how how close the Blue

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Speaker 5: Cody Ponce to Triple A because you know with his

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Speaker 2: We have breaking news people. Derek Scouble is going to

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Speaker 2: Scooble wins. So he is getting thirty two million dollars.

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Speaker 3: The dub or did he bring those?

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Speaker 3: I'm pope. You heard me, Yale. I love this.

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Speaker 4: This is freaking awesome. Yes, go Trek Scoogle you deserve it.

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Speaker 4: And all the people out there saying, you know, listen,

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Speaker 6: And arbitration is different. But because Scooble is a fifth

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Speaker 4: super excited about this. Good for you, and you know what,

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Speaker 3: So good on you Tigers.

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Speaker 2: They weren't trading him either way, I know, but now

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Speaker 2: So Schoogle is going to play out the year with

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Speaker 2: If you took that price number and you put inflation

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Speaker 2: Are you worth more than that? And just by inflation alone,

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure we'll get much more on what happened

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Speaker 3: But they don't talk about it.

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Speaker 2: No, we'll get we'll get some info, Yes they do.

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Speaker 2: You don't think they'll not.

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Speaker 3: Really, most a lot of guys don't talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Corn Burns September about it.

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Speaker 2: Corbyn Burns told us about how they blamed the whole

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Speaker 4: He's one of the few that's ever talked about it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, largest salary ever in the arbitration tration system, thirty

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Speaker 2: The record before this was nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sos for him and I only have two points.

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Speaker 1: The first one.

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Speaker 5: Man he could still be traded and would still be

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Speaker 1: What's his free agency gonna look like?

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Speaker 5: I mean, we get to do it, and it's gonna

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Speaker 5: It's starting with a four. So if you don't have

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Speaker 2: So, AYJ, this morning, you were going back and forth

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Speaker 2: guess not back and forth. You quote tweeted what he

436
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Speaker 2: said friendly exchange. No no, no, Ill Will. I'm just

437
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: saying you were kind of clarifying, to be honest, what

438
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Speaker 2: he was talking about, because there's so much public misinformation

439
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 2: and the education process on arbitration is kind of crazy.

440
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Speaker 2: So he was talking about how like, I don't know

441
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Speaker 2: who needs to hear this, but Framber and Trek Scoogle

442
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: are not to be compared since Schoogle is in the

443
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Speaker 2: arbitration system, and it's like, no, actually, they are definitely

444
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Speaker 2: to be compared. That is exactly how the arbitration system

445
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: works for someone that gets to this point. So you wrote,

446
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Speaker 2: how if you don't think Scott Boris would have used

447
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: this contract in the case you don't know how it works.

448
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: They absolutely can use free agent contracts. School's year away

449
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: from free agency, therefore can use comps in free agency.

450
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Speaker 2: Jim Boden, our resident GM, has been texting with me

451
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Speaker 2: all day sending me information. Of course he was on

452
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Speaker 2: the front office side. He was in these battles for

453
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Speaker 2: decades AJA, and he was super oud of it, saying

454
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Speaker 2: this is a no doubter. He was like, School is

455
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Speaker 2: definitely going to When I'm actually texting with him right now,

456
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Speaker 2: I was like, because of course MLB is going to

457
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Speaker 2: advise to go at nineteen and I was like, what

458
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Speaker 2: number do you think the Tigers should have done? That

459
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: would have driven up the midpoint where they would have won.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, he's going back, I'll let you comment and

461
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Speaker 2: then I'll let you go and then I'll no, well, no.

462
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Speaker 4: People listen First of all, I wasn't argument with Ben Verlinder.

463
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Speaker 4: I just wanted people to understand that, yes, it is

464
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Speaker 4: a different thing. Okay, free agency, arbitration different, but because

465
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Speaker 4: he's five plus, he can use any free agent contract

466
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Speaker 4: out there that's been signed as a free agent because

467
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Speaker 4: he's one year away. And I've talked about this, you

468
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 4: can use one year ahead, and it's covered.

469
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Speaker 3: In the CBA. But most people dont understand.

470
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Speaker 4: It's like they just hear things on Twitter and they

471
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Speaker 4: hear things on whatever they're listening to. But in the CBA,

472
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Speaker 4: it actually lays out the rules of arbitration, and one

473
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Speaker 4: of the things is if you're a five plus, you

474
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Speaker 4: can use free agency.

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Speaker 6: And so that's what Terry schools, I guarantee you.

476
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Speaker 4: Scott Boris argued, Hey, these guys have all been free agents,

477
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Speaker 4: they all signed for this. Some of them might have

478
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Speaker 4: had three Cy Young's. You know, Verlander sures of those guys,

479
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 4: but he's like, this guy's not even a free agent yet,

480
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Speaker 4: he's already got two sided, he's dominated the you know,

481
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 4: he's got his team to the postseason. He's done all

482
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Speaker 4: these things that nobody really has ever done to that point.

483
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Speaker 4: So he should be higher than anybody else. Now the

484
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Speaker 4: number for the Tigers, listen, MLBIT one hundred percent has

485
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Speaker 4: influence on what they file at. Okay, if they would

486
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Speaker 4: have filed at twenty two twenty three and made the midpoint,

487
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Speaker 4: you know, twenty seven to twenty eight, they had a

488
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Speaker 4: better chance. But because they fired so filed so low,

489
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Speaker 4: and then David Price from twenty fifteen was just a

490
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Speaker 4: little bit ahead of it, it seemed like all they

491
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Speaker 4: had to do was just show, like, man, he's gonna

492
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Speaker 4: make less than David Price.

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Speaker 3: That's a big thing.

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Speaker 4: And if all they had to do was show twenty

495
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Speaker 4: five point five million and one cent, if he was

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Speaker 4: worth twenty five point five and one cent.

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Speaker 1: He wins.

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Speaker 4: We don't know why they picked he wins. He wins,

499
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Speaker 4: And that's it. That's all I was trying to say.

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Speaker 4: And I also just keep tweeting at people. Even though

501
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Speaker 4: the Internet says that Scot Borris is from ravald as

502
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Speaker 4: his agent, he is not.

503
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Speaker 3: He is reaped by Octagon.

504
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Speaker 4: So no, Scott Boris did not have any clue that

505
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Speaker 4: from Ravaldees was signing this with the Tigers when he

506
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Speaker 4: was sitting in that room.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's all I want to say.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, dere, goodbye to you.

510
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Speaker 1: AJ.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, before I go, I gotta see this Scott.

512
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Speaker 3: Happy birthday.

513
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 4: It's Tank Aaron's birthday, and it's also my son's nineteenth birthday.

514
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Speaker 3: So happy birthday, Austin.

515
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Speaker 4: I love you, and I appreciate that you guys wore

516
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: UAB green form today. I'm going to watch his game

517
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Speaker 4: right now. He starts at two o'clock Central, so appreciate it.

518
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Speaker 3: Love you guys. Have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was back when I had the frosted tips

521
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Speaker 3: by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys were matching back then. Yeah, Austin, happy birthday,

523
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Speaker 2: Good luck in your game. We are wearing your UAB

524
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Speaker 2: green AJ. Have a good night watching the game, and

525
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 2: then we'll see you on Monday. I'll be back with

526
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Speaker 2: you in person. Enjoy the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Thanks kil Hawks.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that one, all right. So let's

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Speaker 2: continue this just for a moment because I'm going back

531
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Speaker 2: and forth with Bowden right now, and I'll share bits

532
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: and pieces of what he was sharing with me because

533
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: the misinformation out there is nuts.

534
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Speaker 1: Right.

535
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: So the way this works is a five year player

536
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: can be compared to free agents if the roles are similar,

537
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: statistical profiles, lineup, performance, trajectory is comparable. This all stuff

538
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: coming from the CBA salary cited are from recent arbitration outcomes,

539
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: and then it says why Scoogle can reach into the

540
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: class above as in the free agency period. He checks

541
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Speaker 2: the boxes that arbitrators look for when allowing limited class

542
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: above comps true frontline starter, cy Young caliber seasons, Cy

543
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: Young seasons, hardware, and top of the league finishes matter

544
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: a lot in hearings, full high impact season durability. You're

545
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: getting all of this right. So I asked JB. I

546
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: was like, where do you think the numbers should have

547
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: been filed? And he's like, I think Boris could have

548
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: even gone maybe to thirty six, and the Tigers probably

549
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: should have filed at like twenty eight. And then he

550
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: thinks both sides should have settled at thirty two, so

551
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: he ends up getting thirty two anyway. But he basically said,

552
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's been a lot of law is actually

553
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: on the player side with this, so you have to

554
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: be careful and not go too crazy. Many people thought

555
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: thirty two was crazy, but I mean here's somebody who's

556
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: in our rooms all the time, who is fighting on

557
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: the team and executive side, who said, yeah, I think

558
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: you could have even potentially gone higher. But the fact

559
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: that the other side files so damn low. I mean,

560
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: he said he thinks Scoogle could have won even at

561
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: thirty four to thirty six. Special accomplishments always gets paid

562
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: in arbitration and always breaks records, and he is the

563
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Speaker 2: pinnacle of special accomplishments.

564
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Speaker 1: Right now.

565
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: You had someone that was driving the perfect storm durability

566
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Speaker 2: plus back to back cy Young Awards. That means I

567
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: am the best back to back years, making full starts,

568
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: riding that into the playoffs. I'm a one man wrecking

569
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: crew on my team. That is very obvious. We always go, oh, Scooble,

570
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: and we look at which game Schooble's pitching in the playoffs.

571
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: It just seemed like a home run and it ended

572
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: up being that way. And some people might think we're

573
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: talking too much about this, but it's a historical case.

574
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Speaker 2: We like to bring you inside what the game is

575
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Speaker 2: talking about, and everyone in the game has been talking

576
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: about this for a bit because it leads to a

577
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: bigger battle. But it also just says, Hey, a guy

578
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: that's been pitching in the bigs for a while now

579
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: and who's been in pro ball for ten plus years

580
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: and is the best in class is still making what

581
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: the dude from eleven years ago is making. Imagine if

582
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: you did that with an NBA player and you looked

583
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: back at eleven years ago and said, oh, okay, same

584
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: salary's there.

585
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Speaker 5: I mean, especially with doesn't add up, especially with how

586
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 5: long it takes to get to free agency. You know,

587
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 5: the other leagues, it's it's a different it's a different case.

588
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 5: And so in free agency has been way back to

589
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 5: current flood. And you know, the original the original making

590
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 5: of the Players Union, like there was there was no

591
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Speaker 5: free agency, and some of the some of the things

592
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Speaker 5: that were brought up by owners like, okay, well if

593
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Speaker 5: somebody leaves for free agency. Their first proposal was if

594
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 5: somebody leaves for free agency, then the team that he

595
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 5: goes to, the team that he came from, gets to

596
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Speaker 5: pick whatever player they want from the other team that

597
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 5: he goes to, like ASA nine things. So arbitration is

598
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 5: a very necessary for I guess some teams necessary evil,

599
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 5: but for the fact of.

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Speaker 1: Being able to.

601
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 5: Maximize your value as a player, because your career, even

602
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 5: if it's twenty years, is very short compared to the

603
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 5: length that a team is going to be a team

604
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 5: for the history of baseball. And that's why this is historic,

605
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 5: because there will be another player who wins two Cy

606
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 5: Youngs before his last year of arbitration. There will be

607
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 5: another pitcher of Paul Skeins who is increasing his value.

608
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 5: And had Trek Skoubel lost this case to Major League Baseball,

609
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 5: not to the Tigers, if he had lost this case,

610
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 5: then it would have hurt so many other players. I'm

611
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 5: not saying like hundreds of players, but the handfuls of

612
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 5: players that are able to push salaries for their short,

613
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 5: short careers, like I said, and like Paul Skeenes, Paul

614
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 5: Skins right now is like let's go Trek, thank you.

615
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 5: If somebody owes Trek any any dinner, it's Paul Skins.

616
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 5: Because Paul Skins he has started out his career better

617
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 5: than better than Trek's google. So if he continues on

618
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 5: the trajectory that he has right now, you're talking about

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Speaker 5: a guy who could have three or four sims. I

620
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Speaker 5: don't even I don't even understand how I could be

621
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Speaker 5: saying something like that. But before this, you know guys

622
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Speaker 5: that had multiple back to back cy youngs before before

623
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Speaker 5: they even reached arbitration. Tim linsecom he pushed, He pushed

624
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Speaker 5: that before he was even to his first arbitration. So

625
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 5: he helped push that. David Price pushed it to where

626
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 5: Trek Scouble is and now Tarrek Scougle pushed it to

627
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Speaker 5: where Paul Skins will.

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Speaker 2: Be perfectly stated, that's what this show's for. We're just

629
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Speaker 2: trying to explain it all as best as possible and

630
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: that should do it. Red Sox fans were looking at

631
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: everyone tweeting out the Red Sox signed an infielder, and

632
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: they were like, who Isaiah Connor fileffa nice depth piece.

633
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: He's been a really solid utility defender. He can play second,

634
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: he can give you short, he can give you third,

635
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Speaker 2: he can bounce around there. They're still looking to complete

636
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: their infield but Socks fans aj are like, cool, happy

637
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: with that. Where's our big power bat that they talked

638
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: about in the beginning of the offseason publicly they said

639
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: we need more pop. So they lose Bregmant. They tried

640
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: for him, they tried for Pete Alonzo. They didn't get him.

641
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: You know, Sars, for example, said right now, the models

642
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: put them at about mid tier for position players. We

643
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Speaker 2: can show that tweet before you comment if we have it.

644
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Speaker 2: I think he said they're sevent right now in projections

645
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: for their position players. Again, we're not. This show isn't

646
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: just playing the numbers game. But I'm just using some

647
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: context here. Do you feel like they're a bat short

648
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: with their infield?

649
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing. I love their pitching listen.

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Speaker 3: I love Ikf.

651
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Speaker 4: I think he does a lot of things really well,

652
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Speaker 4: especially defensively. He's not bringing a ton of pop. You know,

653
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 4: he'll get you some knocks. It's still a base or

654
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 4: two for you, but he's not changing the dynamic of

655
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 4: a lineup. I like this signing for if if someone

656
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: fails at second or third, they can move them around.

657
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: If story gets hurt, they can play them at shortstop,

658
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: things like that. But this is not a needle mover.

659
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: It's great for IKF that he got a job in Boston.

660
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: He'll go there and probably love playing there.

661
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, I wish they would have gone out and

662
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 4: got as Warez or a Bragman or someone like that.

663
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: But they did it, but they're really.

664
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: Good at pitching, so hopefully they're pitching can carry them

665
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: a long way.

666
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: And listen, maybe.

667
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: Cassis comes back and goes crazy, or I don't don't know,

668
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: Christian Campbell figures it out. I've seen video of him

669
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: recently changing some stuff in his swing.

670
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

671
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 4: We'll see, but right now, I mean, IKF, congratulations, but not.

672
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: A needle over for me.

673
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 2: They have guys that have high ground ball rates too,

674
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: Crats Ranger, Suairez. Of course, Sonny Gray is a high

675
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: ground ball percentage. So at the very least get that

676
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: run prevention in check. And it's not like they don't

677
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: have options. They just were seeking some type of infield

678
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: pop that they didn't really get.

679
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scott, you can have all the run prevention you want.

680
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: You look at the Tigers last year in the playoffs,

681
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: but at some point you got to score some dang runs.

682
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 4: Like I'm sorry, like run prevent all you want, but

683
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 4: if you don't score it. So if you can find

684
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 4: the best of both worlds, then you're obviously great. That's

685
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: like the Dodgers and the Blue Jays were great at it.

686
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: Last year.

687
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: They had great run prevention they had dudes that could

688
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: also bang. So yeah, it's great run prevention, run prevention,

689
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 4: run prevention, but at the end of the day, you

690
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: got to have some big dudes that can hit the

691
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: ball over the fence and drive in some runs. Yeah,

692
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 4: it's about opportunistics run scoring. When you have guys like

693
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 4: Trek School and you have guys like Ranger Suarez in

694
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 4: the playoffs has been lights out like elite. Maybe during

695
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 4: the regular season there's you know, there's some questions of

696
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: what's his elite status, but you do have to be

697
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: able to pick the ball absolutely, And I think this

698
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 4: is an upgrade for the Red Sox because they had

699
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: some troubles.

700
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 5: We had Alex Korra on here. He felt like they

701
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 5: were trending the other direction. They started the season out

702
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 5: as the worst defending team in baseball, particularly they're infield.

703
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: But this is what happens when you play guys in

704
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 5: positions that they're not considerably used to. You have, like

705
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: you just have moving pieces because they're trying to get

706
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 5: the best lineup out there. You have to be opportunistic

707
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 5: with your power and I think I KF is going

708
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 5: to get a lot of flak because Red Sox fans

709
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 5: are like, oh infielder, oh.

710
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: Man, I hope, oh what like I had two home

711
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: runs last year?

712
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 5: Who I kf is really good at what he does

713
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 5: and he's gonna be remembered for negative things. He's gonna

714
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 5: be but this is a guy who won a Gold Glove.

715
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 5: And then other teams felt like the Yankees felt like, oh,

716
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 5: we can switch him to be a shortstop.

717
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: We can switch it.

718
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 5: His value is in that utility role and this adds

719
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 5: to that depth for that defense. But they've still swung

720
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 5: and missed on that final little piece that I think

721
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 5: would take pressure off of Roman Anthony. People say it's

722
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 5: contraras at first base. I'll say it's a nice signing.

723
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 5: It's not that one that like, they're right now banking

724
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 5: on the fact that Roman Anthony will be an MVP

725
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 5: caliber bat and this early in his career, that is

726
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 5: a lot of pressure.

727
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: Can he do it? Absolutely, he can do it.

728
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 5: But to make him carry this after you got rid

729
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 5: of Devers, after you couldn't resign Bragman, that is a large,

730
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 5: large task to be the guy in your second season.

731
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: Well said, really well said. Let's start with Miguel enduhar

732
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: one year four million dollars. San Diego Padres two million

733
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: dollars in incentives that could bring it up to six

734
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: as far as I know. So what do you think

735
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: about in Duhar landing with San Diego Krats? I mean,

736
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: the Padres have been somewhat quiet. They did bring back

737
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: Michael King, they lose Luisa Rise. What do you think

738
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: of their offseason and the Duhar edition. I feel like

739
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 2: he has barely gotten any love in the public spheres.

740
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: Also played for some crappy teams lately, but he's been

741
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: really good as a platoon guy.

742
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 5: He has been very good. He doesn't take care of

743
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 5: the need for them to add more slug so I

744
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 5: think he's kind of a reciprocal piece. But I think

745
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 5: this team, I think this team is really good and

746
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 5: there is there. Yes, if you're gonna that's the beauty

747
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 5: of baseball, you know you're gonna pick out the negative.

748
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 5: Oh they didn't hit for enough slug Yes, you're right,

749
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 5: they didn't. But they have a dynamic lineup that I

750
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: think you're gonna see in improvement from Jackson Merrill. I

751
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 5: think maybe he had a little bit of a down

752
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 5: year compared to his rookie year. But he was dealing

753
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 5: with some injuries. I think the sky's the limit for him.

754
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 5: I think they have veterans that go out there and

755
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 5: they play every single day. And they're a playoff team. Yes,

756
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 5: they're playing a tough division. It's gonna be tough from

757
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 5: the win the division.

758
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: Yes.

759
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 5: Do I think they sat on their hands this offseason?

760
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I think they. I think they had their

761
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 5: offseason at the trade deadline and then they went out

762
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 5: and brought Michael King back. And there's so many like, oh,

763
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 5: you know, you know, running the same team back and

764
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 5: the whole offseason. Are they at the trade paveta? Is

765
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 5: this a if AJ Pereller feels like there's something that

766
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 5: will make his team better, he's going to do it.

767
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: Whether it's get.

768
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 5: Getting rid of a top prospect to add a JP

769
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 5: Sears and a Mason Miller, whether it's bringing back Michael

770
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 5: King on a three year type of Sean Maniah type

771
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: of deal that the Mets gave to Sean and Ia

772
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 5: and Michael King, you know, coming off a little bit

773
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 5: of an injury, like, he's going to make this team

774
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 5: the best they can. And I think they were already

775
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 5: a pretty good team. Could they have done enough this

776
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 5: offseason for me to say they're better than the Dodgers.

777
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 5: They're you know, they're or they're even the second best

778
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 5: team in the National League. I don't know that they

779
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 5: had those moves available to them, and maybe their rotation

780
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 5: will be a little short, but I think getting Joe

781
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 5: Musgroves back is a huge thing. Bringing Michael King back

782
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: and having him healthy first full season is huge, And

783
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 5: they have one of the most athletic lineups because they

784
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 5: all were shortstops at one point in their career except

785
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 5: for Meggie who Miggie little known fact second place rookie

786
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 5: of the year. Does anybody know Scott Do you know

787
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 5: who he lost to when he was second place Rookie

788
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 5: of the Year?

789
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: I do not.

790
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: What was that twenty seventeen.

791
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: Eighteen eighteen.

792
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: Woh, so that's a good second, that's a very nice

793
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: second place. Yeah, he was highly touted for a while.

794
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 2: I remember back then, Oh the Yankees would never trade

795
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: and du harr and then he kind of journeyman. And

796
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: last year you know how many had bats did he

797
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: end up getting Let's see three? I mean, put together

798
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: nice numbers last year, especially when he ends up with Cincinnati.

799
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is a dude that should rake

800
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 2: against left handed pitching, can still give you good at

801
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: bats against right handed pitching. I remember one of the

802
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: stories I read about him last year was how pictures

803
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: were getting away with first picked strikes against him. You know,

804
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: he's one of those wait for a strike guys. He

805
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: got rid of that, started blitzing a little bit more

806
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: earlier and counts this a talented guy. And he's entering

807
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: his age thirty one season. You think that he's been

808
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: around forever just because we've talked about him forever, But

809
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: entering his age thirty one season should be a nice

810
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: solid bat addition and not a negative on slug. I mean,

811
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: if anything, he might be a tick above average on

812
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: slug depends what you're looking at. At least average slug.

813
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 5: No doubles. He's a big doubles guy. The biggest thing

814
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 5: that I think that I think hurt him because he's

815
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 5: got a nice flat swing that controls the zone and

816
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 5: he makes a lot of contact. He's going to be

817
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: a low on base percentage guy. The biggest thing for

818
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 5: him is, well, he hurt his shoulder. I don't think

819
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: that power ever really came back consistently for him.

820
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: I think his rookie.

821
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 5: Year, I think he hit like twenty some homers, twenty

822
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 5: seven homers, forty seven doubles. Like that's big slug, Like

823
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 5: that is that slug that is like whoa, this guy's like,

824
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 5: this guy's going to be a multi year All Star.

825
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 5: His shoulder injury, I think, really really hurt him, and

826
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 5: it was one of those things that now he's redeveloped

827
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 5: himself as you know that like platoon advantage guy, the

828
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 5: ability to he plays hard like he's he's shifted to.

829
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 5: I think he shifted to mostly to the outfield, if

830
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken, because he was a third base when

831
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 5: he came.

832
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: Up outfield and slash. I don't want him in the

833
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: outfield every day, honestly, But I'll get to the.

834
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 5: Hi good good signing, good signing to add to the

835
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 5: depth of this team.

836
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's speed through. Just quick hitter Jose A.

837
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: Orchty signs with the Pirates during the show. That looks

838
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: like about a year and I think maybe a million

839
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: and a half bucks for him. So instead of Fromber

840
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: they go to another former Houston astro and Jose Rachidi.

841
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: He's battled some injuries and under performance and all that

842
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: depth rotation piece for the Pirates, and maybe this means

843
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: the Pirates are still dancing in the trade waters and

844
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: they end up dealing away another one of their pitchers.

845
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: That's been the way that they've mostly acquired offense. We'll

846
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: see if that continues. That's how they were able to

847
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: land Password, That's how they were able to land Brandon Lao.

848
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: They've only signed one big free agent I guess too technically, right,

849
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: who is the reliever they signed? They signed a reliever

850
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: that I'm forgetting right now? Is it Sodo Gregory Soto?

851
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: And then they signed Ryan O'Hearn. Yeah, So they just

852
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 2: haven't had a lot of success on the free agent

853
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: water because they're sending out the same offer as everyone else.

854
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: But good for them to get Erkiti.

855
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 5: I think another one one thing real quick talking about

856
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 5: getting a bat for the Pirates. If you're a Pirates fan,

857
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 5: like I s Triolo's not a bad I mean, Jared

858
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: Triolo's not a bad player, Like can he be an

859
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 5: everyday third baseman? Yeah, and like he brings a lot

860
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 5: of value. So maybe that's why the Pirates maybe aren't

861
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 5: saying Okay, we're willing to go that extra money for Suarez.

862
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 5: We're willing to go because they think he's going to

863
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 5: be in everyday third basement or is his value being

864
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 5: able to bounce around the infield. But when you if

865
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 5: you have Connor Griffin, you have Brandon Low, you have

866
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 5: you have O'Hearn at first base, a utility player is

867
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 5: less and less valuable when you have dudes that play

868
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 5: one hundred scheduled to play one hundred and sixty two

869
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 5: games in a season. Soolo's Treolo is a good player.

870
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 5: If you delve into what he does, he is a

871
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 5: good player. Is that bat available to take to make

872
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 5: it an upgrade over him