1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Woke a f with me Danielle Moody. Throughout 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: this month, I am highlighting a series of amazing artists 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: whose work is on display this summer in New York 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: at the Shed Cultural Center as part of their open 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: Call program. Last week on my Patreon, which you can 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: support now at patreon dot com slash woke AF, I 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: spoke with Don Christian Jones, creator of the outdoor performance 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: Volvo truck. Don Christian talked with me about his connection 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: with cars and car culture and how those connect to 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: his greater identity as a black person, as well as 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: our collective consciousness, something he calls black quantum physics, which 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: connects us all. He also recognized the role of black 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: women in his life and how we as a society 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: owe a great debt to the black women who have 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: come before us ancestral magic. Here is the first half 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: of my conversation with Don Christian Jones. Let's start off 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:08,279 Speaker 1: with your exhibit and why you're so excited to share 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: this work with folks. It is a multimedia and I 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: kind of want you to walk through, like describe it 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: to us for folks that are listening, walk us through 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: this kind of multimedia exhibit that is upcoming. I'm trying 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: to put words to it myself every day as as 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: as this evolves. It's really meant to be a living 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: breathing installation. So it's performative. It's performance based in that 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, there are people enacting and moving, but it's 26 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: also sculpture in so many ways. And really, more than anything, 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a monument, like a living breathing 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: monument that is up, that is erected for you know, 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: two days, two nights, that people can experience in the 30 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: round and can kind of also encapsulate people as audience. 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: So the title of the exhibit is Volvo Truck. Is 32 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: that right? It is? Yeah, talk to me about that 33 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: and why cars are so important and what folks can 34 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: expect as they walk into this installation. Because as I 35 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: was watching a previous interview of yours and understanding the 36 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: fact that you said you didn't play with toys as 37 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: a kid. You played with matchbook cars and trucks, and 38 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: that that was very much a part of your growing up, 39 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: and it reminded me of my younger cousin who I 40 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: remember from when he was two or three years old. 41 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: The only thing that he ever wanted every time that 42 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: we went to a store were those little cars and trucks, 43 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: and his fascination with cars just developed as he got older. 44 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: So I was very endeared as I was learning more 45 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: about this exhibit. But why I work cars and trucks 46 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: so important to you and what's the significance of it 47 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: in this installation? Sure? And I think I've been kind 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: of grappling with and coming to terms with what, you know, 49 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: cars kind of symbolized for me in a broader sense, 50 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: but also in this piece, and I think coming to 51 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: to terms like over the years, because I've been so 52 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: inundated almost into this culture of cars, and I've started 53 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: to ask a lot of questions, you know, with regard 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: to what they what they mean as symbol especially like 55 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: in a capitalist in a Western world, what they mean 56 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: with relation to blackness and kind of like a very 57 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: black American preoccupation with nice cars or fancy rides, and 58 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: then the ways in which sound and music intersect with 59 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: cars and our experiences growing up in them. Um, I 60 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: think was hugely formative for me, Like I feel like 61 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: so much of my growing up and like realizations made 62 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: and light bulb moments took place in cars, whether I 63 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: was in the backseat with one of my aunts and 64 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: one of their cars, or my grandfather or my dad, 65 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: and there was always music, and there was always some 66 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: sound skips, some sound score or landscape provided by outside 67 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: the windows, you know. So I just remember I can 68 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: recall conversations had in passing or like sirens or other 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: cars with you know, booming basses rattling. So I think 70 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: I just have had this longing for a really long 71 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: time to try and reenact that that feeling. You know. 72 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: It's funny because as I as I was looking at 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: your work and listening to your prior interviews and thinking 74 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: about my own experience with my family, with my aunts 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: and uncles in their cars, and that experience of kind 76 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: of growing up in the backseat or actually before you 77 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: were supposed to have children sit in the front seat 78 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: in between two adults in cars, and kind of the 79 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: joy of that experience. Every time a car door opened, 80 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: as a young person, I felt like we were headed 81 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: for an adventure because the world was so fresh and 82 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: so bright through the eyes of my youth. Was there 83 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: a sense of adventure and experience and exposure that riding 84 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: around in Philadelphia, which is where you were from, provided 85 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: for you. Definitely. I think about like the ways in 86 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: which black people occupy urban space, American space, like and 87 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: and the access to car and car culture, and the 88 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: ways that can really change or like reshape one's adolescents 89 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: or just to a broader world. Because I surely had 90 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: met and grown out with some folks that you know, 91 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: they grew up in like a five black radius and 92 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: never and maybe never have experienced the beach before they 93 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: were a teenager or an adult, or made it down 94 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: to you know, the Parkway from South Philly to go 95 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: to the Art Museum. And I think I've grown to 96 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: understand the immense privilege that I was afforded in having 97 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: people around me that were raising me, that could take 98 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: me places, and then hear stories about how they grew up, 99 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: how my grandfather maybe taught them how to drive, or 100 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: my dad taught me how to drive, and these really 101 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: like visceral moments where it's like they just put you 102 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: out on the road in the way that they put 103 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: me in a pool and said swim. So formative. So yeah, 104 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: so there's a gratitude I remember, you know, just hearing 105 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: from my aunts, like their access to the beach, their 106 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: access to Atlantic City and Chicken Bone Beach growing up 107 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: in the sixties, that widen broadened their landscape and I 108 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: imagine the boundaries to which they could dream right or 109 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: see a world outside of what they lived in. You know, 110 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: there's a sense of freedom that I here right, and 111 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: independence from being able to have access to cars and vehicles. 112 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: Like you talk about your aunts, which I want you 113 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: to be able to get into, and your and your 114 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: mother and the fact that they were so influential in 115 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: your life, these different beautiful black women with varied experience 116 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: and access and opportunity, and you speak about them being 117 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, born at these different times which are actual 118 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: really critical points in our history as black people in 119 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: the United States. So I want you to be able 120 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: to speak about how your aunts, how your family are 121 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: wrapped into this installation and this work that is going 122 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: to be presented, and why you think it was important 123 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: to tell their stories great hard questions. Yea. In my adulthood, 124 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: I've been able to kind of step back and really 125 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: regard them as individuals, as human beings, and in so 126 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: many ways almost take them off of this pedestal that 127 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: I once put them on. For having raised me, and 128 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: to be able to find correlation between my own life 129 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: or experience and them and maybe their mother or their father, 130 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: and just a greater reverence for like my own personal 131 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: lineage and ancestry. I think we're living in a time 132 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: like this time is so crazy, and more than anything, 133 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: for me, it's been shadow work. It's been a spiritual reckoning. 134 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: This feels more like spiritual warfare than anything. And I 135 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: say that as an a religious a non religious person, 136 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: but who grew up in religion. So I'm remembering ritual, 137 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm remembering tradition, I'm remembering the power in like ancestral magic. 138 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: And I think this is like a conversation that is 139 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: swelling and almost like breaching this collective consciousness. You know, 140 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: you look at some of the media out today, like 141 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: these movies, these films, Lovecraft, m HBO, random acts of 142 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: flyness that are really verging on like this conversation about 143 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: it's like it's black quantum physics and the realities of 144 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: such and and tapping into this magic that has been 145 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: really relegated in the way we're taught. It's relegated to 146 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: like folklore or like voodoo, or like zombies, on TV, 147 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: But like, what makes that any less tech? High tech? 148 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: What makes our power any less profound, any less scientific? 149 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think that's been a part of our 150 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: undoing that they try to implement on us, is to 151 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: make us for you know, we forget where we come from. 152 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: So this past year and maybe a little more, I've 153 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: been really trying to remind myself of where I come 154 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: from through them. So you just blew my mind with 155 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: a couple of things, Black quantum physics, like I want 156 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: to delve into that, and then spiritual warfare and the 157 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: idea of what it means to reconnect to your beginning, right, 158 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: like our beginning, your beginning meaning where your family, where 159 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: we originate from in our family, but then our beginning 160 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: as a community as a people, and ties to our 161 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: land and our ancestry. And I think, you know, Woke 162 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: AF is a political show, right, It is a progressive 163 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: political show where I try and infuse different aspects of 164 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: what it means to show up consciously right, and that 165 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: being conscious is a part of everyday work and exercise 166 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: and practice. I talk about being woke as not something 167 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: that just happens once, like you hid an alarm and 168 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: then you're forever awake, right that it is a constant 169 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: awakening that happens every day, and it's a constant expansion 170 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: that happens when we talk about black consciousness in the 171 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: grand scheme of things. For me, it is about awake 172 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: to what has been lost, or rather what has been robbed. 173 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: So for you, when you are looking at your family 174 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: lineage and how it positions itself within the greater sense 175 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: of blackness, what comes up for you as you've been 176 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: journeying through the development of this work. I mean, surely, 177 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: I think fundamentally it's this a pure reverence for the 178 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: black woman and has having experienced or seen or witnessed 179 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: them as being the scapegoat for the world while simultaneously 180 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: being like the impetus for the world, and to be 181 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: able to see that and witness that through these these 182 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: very real people that are my aunts and my mom, 183 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: their resilience, their creativity, their fortitude, their independence, their sheer 184 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: ability to you know, transcend time and space through their 185 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: work and the people that they've touched over the years. 186 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: You know, I think about well, I'll go into this 187 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: when you talk about black women being both the scapegoat 188 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: and the impetus for the world, the creation of it 189 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: for you. How has your understanding of the kind of 190 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: journeys that your aunts and your mother have taken, How 191 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: has that kind of I guess maybe shifted your thinking 192 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: about black women, or how has it deepened your understanding 193 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: of how the world experiences black women. I'm thinking of 194 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: how you said it's this daily practice, right so to 195 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: never to really like approach every day from this place 196 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: of critical pedagogy, like this is going to be a 197 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: practice I'm going to learn in this day. I'm going 198 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: to ask, and like I was saying, in so many ways, 199 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: I've taken them off this pedestal or these tropes of 200 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: archetype which I've I've realized maybe so much as my 201 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: own projection onto them who I think them to be, 202 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: who I've made who I associated them to out in 203 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: the world, and kind of like wanting to provide space 204 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: for us to just be, to simply just be, to dance, 205 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: to make music, to eat as commune in a political 206 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: way that it will inevitably be politicized. M What has 207 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: their experience with your art been, as I'm assuming you 208 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: have had conversation with family and connected with them because 209 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: They're such an inspiration for this particular project, this particular installation. 210 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,479 Speaker 1: What has their feeling been as kind of seeing themselves 211 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: through your lens? I think much of this project, or 212 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: the meat of it, really has been getting to know 213 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: them again or through new lens. The past year, you know, 214 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: COVID and everything, Well, this was the first time in 215 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: over a decade that they were all on the East 216 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: Coast at the same time. And in having my own 217 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: car for the first time in my life, I was 218 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: now afforded the ability to see them at greater length 219 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: and more often. You know, now at thirty one, it's 220 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: like I'm almost having this reunion with them, which has 221 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: been remarkable. And then going through all of their personal 222 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: archives and documents and photos and letters and their wardrobe, 223 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, being able to touch this stuff that I 224 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: remember from you know, twenty years ago, so much comes up. 225 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: So all this stuff comes up, So we're having conversations 226 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: that I've never had before, Like I'm learning histories about 227 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: my family that were never shared. And then I'm left 228 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: to really think about what does this mean like for 229 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: the shed or for the audience watching this, And it 230 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: almost doesn't matter anymore because, you know, I'm I'm already 231 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: experiencing this work. So much of this work has already 232 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: been done. In the second half of our conversation, Don 233 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: Christian and I got deep into his relationship with art 234 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: and his role as a creator and how it has 235 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: evolved during the pandemic. It was an honest, raw conversation 236 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: and you can hear the rest right now by supporting 237 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: me at patreon dot com, slash Woke app and you 238 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: can see Don Christian perform Volvo Truck on June seventeenth 239 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: at the Shed dot org slash Open Dash Call Dash 240 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: live stream, or if you're in New York, you can 241 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: visit the Shed four free. I will be shocked up 242 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: there this summer checking out all of the amazing artists 243 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: in the open Call program. Whether I see you next 244 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: week in the tweets at D two cents or over 245 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: on Patreon. Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 246 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.