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Speaker 1: and I must confess I was a little tired when

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Speaker 1: I woke up this morning because Stand Up to Cancer

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Speaker 1: of money for cancer research. You know, as our guests

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Speaker 1: would say, you were like the Beyonce of that party.

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Speaker 1: You were everybody was coming up to you, and they

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Speaker 1: weren't asking for autograph. I think self, not really, Brian.

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Speaker 1: I think it was because there weren't many celebrities at

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Speaker 1: the after party. Think so. I think everyone is very

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Speaker 1: proud of you, because without you, this would not have happened.

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Speaker 1: It's been going on now for ten years. You've raised

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Speaker 1: half a billion dollars for cancer research, and more than that,

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Speaker 1: you've really helped to revolutionize the way cancer research is done. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're trying, and I have to give credit where credit

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Speaker 1: is due. It takes a village. There were nine of

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Speaker 1: us and all who started this organization, and of course

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Speaker 1: a cast of thousands behind the show last night. So

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you were there, Brian. Thank you for my

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Speaker 1: incredible seat. I know Brian had a front row seat

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Speaker 1: with my really close friend Wendy and her her boy

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Speaker 1: very special night for me. Thank you for coming and

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Speaker 1: thank you for supporting Stand Up to Cancer, Brian, and

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Speaker 1: for any of you out there who watched and have

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Speaker 1: as Larry David would say this morning, But that changed

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Speaker 1: in a nana second when I met this young man

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Speaker 1: named Jonathan van Ness and he's the star of a

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Speaker 1: new Netflix show called Queer Eye. Well actually it's not

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Speaker 1: and that's right, it's in its second season as well.

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Speaker 1: But however you describe it, it is a monster hit.

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Speaker 1: And after spending just an hour with j VN as

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Speaker 1: my daughter calls him, I can understand why. He is

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Speaker 1: absolutely a brilliant and I don't know, I wanted to say,

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Speaker 1: I'll have what he's having because the guy has more

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Speaker 1: so much energy. He makes me feel like I'm on vallium.

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Speaker 1: He is a uniquely enthusiastic character, but very authentic to

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Speaker 1: who he is. By the way, highly intelligent, clearly incredibly

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Speaker 1: informed opinions. We should say for people who don't watch

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Speaker 1: the show, that queer eye. The premise is basically that

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Speaker 1: these five gay guys travel to various places and they

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Speaker 1: make over somebody. It used to be just a straight guy,

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Speaker 1: and now it can be anyone. It can be a

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Speaker 1: straight woman, it can be um. And they do more

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Speaker 1: really help the person to kind of re examine their

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Speaker 1: It's it's much deeper than just a kind of a

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Speaker 1: makeover show. Definitely, and in many ways, I think why

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Speaker 1: how refreshing is that? Yeah, Verry, Yes, so we talked

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Speaker 1: I and some very conservative places in Georgia, to his

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Speaker 1: hit podcast, which is called Getting Curious. We also asked

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Speaker 1: Jonathan for a few makeover suggestions for Brian spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: I'm perfect. He didn't have too many. But enough about us, people,

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to our guest, j b n Or

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Van Ness, one of the shining stars of Queer I,

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Speaker 1: one of my new favorite shows. So hold onto your hats, people,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a doozy. Should I call

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Speaker 1: you Jonathan or j Van Jonathan? Obviously you can honestly

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Speaker 1: I love that, you know, and I like I said,

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Speaker 1: such an underrated beauty to all it really is. She's

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm asking man, no, just like literal ice

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Brian in a minute, but

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Speaker 1: at first I want I want to get to that

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Speaker 1: first question. When you were growing up in Quincy, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: Gay of Thrones, I was like, oh my god, this

429
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Speaker 1: is so fun. Like I love creating, I love learning,

430
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Speaker 1: I love like entertaining. We should talk about Gay of

431
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,919
Speaker 1: Thrones for people who don't know. My god, it's kind

432
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 1: of a serendipitous story. Yes it is, It really is.

433
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,679
Speaker 1: It is my my very good friend who just released

434
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: an amazing book called Feminasty. Her name is Aaron Gibson.

435
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: She was a directorate it Funnier Die, and she was

436
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: a client of the woman who I worked for it

437
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: my first salon in l A. We became really good

438
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: friends because I was like doing her haircut. Because it's

439
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 1: an assistant, you're not really supposed to like take on clients.

440
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: But she was never going to pay those prices for

441
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: color at the time, so like I just kind of like,

442
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 1: I'll just like come to your house and do it. Well,

443
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: we'll be top secret color friends. So we did that

444
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: for like four years, and then in two thousand and twelve,

445
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 1: I just moved back to California and she was do

446
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: you watch a Game of Thrones? I was like, honey,

447
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 1: like that one little evil baby boy in his sash

448
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 1: and he does all this to this person. And we

449
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 1: were doing a whole Yeah, I did a whole thing.

450
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 1: And then she was like, we should do that for

451
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: Funny or Die, like this is a show. Yeah, And

452
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: so she really in my chair, like she created this

453
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: this concept sold it to Funny or Die. It was

454
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 1: originally supposed to be like one episode, but that episode

455
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: that we did had such a reaction it you know

456
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: five years later too, I mean, nominations later. We're crazy.

457
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: How serendipitous is that? So it really is crazy. I

458
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: also think that, like I think part of the reason

459
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: that this even happened to me universally is that, like

460
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: I definitely worked really hard, like once gay Thrones happened,

461
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't think I ever like turned down a job.

462
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: I maintain clients or clienteles and like l A Arizona St. Louis, Like,

463
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: I literally have worked like seven days a week for

464
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: like years and years too, so are you still doing hair?

465
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: So now I don't do here as much as I did.

466
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: It was like weird. I was really really trying it.

467
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: Up until April. I was still doing it like three

468
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: and four days a week because I loved my clients

469
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: and I want to keep doing it. But then it

470
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: was like, honey, this opportunity doesn't happen that often. So like,

471
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,719
Speaker 1: and you're my assistant had been with me for two

472
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: and a half years, so something, Melissa fly if you

473
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable like with that client, like you know,

474
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 1: not comb with that highlight yet, give it to Monique,

475
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: my business partner, who can cut herself out of a

476
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: like do she knew any haircut any time? Like with

477
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: hair hands side behind her or handsand bite her. But

478
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: she's amazing so um so yeah, So it's like I'm

479
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm gonna take this opportunity. I'm gonna run

480
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: with it. So I'm really only doing here like once

481
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: a month. You know, this is so funny because I

482
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: was worried we're doing this on a Saturday morning, and

483
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: I thought, oh gosh, what if Jonathan's tired and low

484
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: energy and such a morning person. Fantastic, Yeah, I'm such

485
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Speaker 1: a morning person. Are you also kind of an evening person?

486
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: After like ninety or ten, I'm really tired and rest

487
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: assured that if you're seeing me after nine thirty or ten,

488
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 1: like I am really faking it. I would much rather

489
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: be home. I really want to be on my couch

490
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: with my cat, like I would a soon to be

491
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: like seventy thousand cats because as soon as I get

492
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: back to Kansas City on Tuesday from the Emmy's like,

493
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm going straight there. He means society, and I'm like

494
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Speaker 1: adopting seventeen thousand cats as many pass as they have. Yes,

495
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: And I'm so sorry, it's okay, but my grandparents literally

496
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: had a black tea cup poodle for thirty years named

497
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: JP because like when one would die, they would like

498
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: go get like they would get the next one ready,

499
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: like so if one died on Friday, they'd have like

500
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: a new one by like Monday. And I remember morning period. No,

501
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: And I just feel like I'm right and that I'm

502
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: not follower from the block, like I need to shove

503
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: as many black kittens with cute personalities like into the

504
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: bug sized hole in my gay heart. There's I need

505
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: more kittens. And also my little Harry, Larry is lonely,

506
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: so I really cannot wait to my other cat, my

507
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: surviving baby cat. He literally is like pacing the edges

508
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: of my apartment like scream youwing, like he's never done that.

509
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: He literally knows it's so weird. That's but as soon

510
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: as I get to like eleven new kittens, I'm gonna

511
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: stop being so sat Okay, good, all right, time for

512
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: a quick break. I'm exhausted. People will be right back

513
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: with Jonathan van Ness. And now back to our conversation

514
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: with the one and only j Vin and Jonathan van Ess.

515
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: Let's change the subject because I want to talk about

516
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: queer I mean, then later I want to talk about

517
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: your podcast because I think it's was so smart of

518
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: you to do that too, and all all roads seem

519
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: to lead to this incredible opportunity that you're you're having

520
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: right now. First of all, I love the show, Thank you,

521
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: I really do. And I love all of you for

522
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: different reasons. And I think the show has so much

523
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: heart and it's so seemingly authentic obviously. I think actually

524
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: the editing is really fun. Rudos who however, does that

525
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: and kind of does those interstitials people dancing or doing

526
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: fun things or you know, speeding up the clouds. I

527
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: think she's really well done. Show runner. One of our

528
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: executive producers and show runner, her name is Jennifer Lane,

529
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: and she she has so many of the qualities that

530
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: my stepdad had that like made me the best version

531
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: of myself in relationship with him, and I feel like

532
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: she does that to like she really lets us like

533
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: all be ourselves, but she just creates an environment for

534
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: us to like really connect and care and be present

535
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: and be passionate because she's really passionate and often people

536
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and Ark really is though, like so

537
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: truly incredible, Like none of the five of us would

538
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: be able to have the impact that we have without

539
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: the people that work so hard to like to get

540
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: us there. And it has been such a village that

541
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: has created this and I do really feel like it's

542
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: it is authentic. I feel like what you see on

543
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: the show is really how it is. I Mean there's

544
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: really never a time where it's like, oh, like we

545
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: love that, but can you be more emotional or like that.

546
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: Never we never do that. I almost can never think

547
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: of a time where we shoot something twice. So even

548
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: if if someone missed something or an angle is wrong

549
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: or something, it's like they'll just scrap that and you

550
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: don't figure it out. Yeah, just like move on it.

551
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: So it really it feels like a very organic experience

552
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: making the show, which is which I love. And for

553
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: people who haven't seen the show, they may have heard

554
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: of the first iteration of this Queer Eye for the

555
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: straight up. This new version is just called Queer Eye

556
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: because it's for everyone. It's not you're not just working

557
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: on straight guys. What do you think are the big

558
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: differences between that older version of the show and this one.

559
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember in one episode somebody said the

560
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: first Queer Eye was about tolerance and this is about acceptance.

561
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: I think that that speaks to where the community has

562
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: come from two thousand and three through seven to now,

563
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: because like two thousand and three to seven was like

564
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: the age of Doma. It was like um defense the

565
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: Marriage Act. It was very much like you know, I

566
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: like to be in the same room with you, I

567
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: just don't agree with your lifestyle like you should. Maybe

568
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: have all the rights that I do as a hetero

569
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: person in a in a married relationship, but maybe not

570
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: all the same ones. And you definitely shouldn't call it

571
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 1: marriage because she's like a sacred sanctimony. So like that

572
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: was the age that we were in. Then it was

573
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: like a majority support for banning gay marriage. And at

574
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: that time, yeah, and so that was about like that's

575
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: where that came from. And and now I think that

576
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: the community is much more like you will see me

577
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: as a far there, you will see me as a husband,

578
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: you will like it's just there. It's like, go fuck

579
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: your tolerance because like I will be here all the way.

580
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: That isn't as gentle as it sounds, you know, the

581
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: tons versus acceptance, but that's how I imagine it. It's

582
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: you have to see me as a whole person now.

583
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: And I think that the five original you know cast

584
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: members are queer, I like, had all of those same beautiful,

585
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: multifaceted dimensions to their to themselves, and it's nothing that

586
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: they weren't able to bring to the table. I'm sure

587
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: that they did bring it to the table. But a

588
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: Bravo network in two thousand and three through seven is

589
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: very different. From like the freedom that Netflix in two

590
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen is going to give you. And and

591
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: also you know, crafting a show for an American audience

592
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: of two thousand and three through seven to an international

593
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: audience of like a hundred and ten countries with a

594
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: hundred ninety members, it was back then more of a

595
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: curiosity too, you know. And we're more comfortable, Yes, I

596
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: think people are more comfortable. We actually think your gayness,

597
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: while it's a part of the show, it's in a

598
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: way it's it's really not about five days guys, it's

599
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: about five guys. Yeah, Bobby says that. I think it's

600
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: really so true because to me, the show is so

601
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: much more about like human connection, and it is. And

602
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: also like there's been so many times where I've learned

603
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: stuff from people, like lots of stuff. Because also I

604
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: think the audiences have come and have come so much

605
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: farther since two thousand and three to seven from now,

606
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: like audiences like especially like in my age box, you know,

607
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: of like four to like thirty five, Like no one

608
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: is going to buy an expert shoving down something in

609
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: their throat that like they know to not be authentic,

610
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Talk about that, because I

611
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: just wondered if in some of these very small conservative towns,

612
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: if people don't give you all a little bit of

613
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: a hard time, or if there's not a resistance the

614
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: descending on there for me personally because of what I

615
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Like I come from a place where, like

616
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm not used to walking five like to this day,

617
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: if someone says fag, I turned my head, like I think,

618
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: like I'm like someone's coming up behind me, someone's talking

619
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: to me, Like I I still will answer to that.

620
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: So like even if one like does like throw us

621
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of shade or is like being crazy or

622
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: hard to work with, like I am so used to it,

623
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't move a hair on my head. Does that

624
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: ever happen? I mean it struck me. But also no,

625
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: like none of the heroes and none of the people

626
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: and their families like that you call them heroes. Yeah,

627
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: well because I think that that. I mean, I didn't

628
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: coin that phrase in at first. I think, and I

629
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: think that a lot of people are like like when

630
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: you say that, like an iver, it's like why, But

631
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: I think it's like it kind of just speaks to

632
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: the bread of the show, which is like people are

633
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: all heroes. Like we do heroic stuff every day, like

634
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: the fact that like we were like about of bed

635
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: with our clothes on and like just like putting one

636
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: ft in front of the other, Like it's heroic for

637
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: what so many people have gone through, go through, have

638
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: been through on a daily basis, Like even just like

639
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: having lost my cat, Like that is so hard, Like

640
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: people go through so much really devastating stuff, and I

641
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: mean losing parents, using lovers, like you know, like that

642
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: German cyclist like like just who like she was like

643
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Speaker 1: she won Golden London, she won Golden Rio, and she

644
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: like severed her back in a training accident like two

645
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: days ago, and she's like now my arms are my

646
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 1: legs and she's like people are so heroic like all

647
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: the time. So I think why not call people here?

648
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: Is like I not celebrate the things that you think

649
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: that you're supposed to pull up your bootstraps and just

650
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: like ho hum through life, Like why not celebrate like

651
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: what we've been on the person I really one person

652
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Speaker 1: I loved is Tom who was in the first episode

653
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: because he was so open, which I really really appreciate really,

654
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, and and willing to have this dialogue, and

655
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Speaker 1: I think that is what speaks to the heart and

656
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: soul of this show. As I said, I think the

657
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: gayness kind of falls away, but what I think gets

658
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: front and center is bridging these cultural divides and these

659
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: these tribalistic tendencies that we have and really in a

660
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Speaker 1: way that's not so hitting you over the head or

661
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 1: luxury or preachy, just kind of getting this kind of

662
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: dialogue out there. Whether it's Bobby talking about growing up

663
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Speaker 1: in an evangelical church or Tom being honest about how

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Speaker 1: he felt about homosexuality. You know, those are the moments

665
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: that really strike me and I think, wow, this is

666
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Speaker 1: really achieving something you don't see many instances when people

667
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: like the five of you are talking to people like

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00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: Tom or the guy with six kids with the house

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Speaker 1: that was just such a nightmare. But with the darling

670
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Speaker 1: wife who loved her husband so much anyway, I think

671
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: to me, that is the secret sauce of the show.

672
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: For the African American lady at the beginning of with Tammy,

673
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: who missed Tammy, and this was just alluded to a

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Speaker 1: little bit in that episode that she was very hostile

675
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Speaker 1: toward her gay son at first, and that was perhaps

676
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: what helped drive him out of that town, and then

677
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: he came back and they reconciled, and so there is

678
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: a little more subtlety and awareness of people's flaws and prejudices.

679
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: And Skylar, you know, Tam was very open about feeling

680
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: slightly ignorant about the trans community and is such a

681
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: fearless soldier and advocate and just strong, amazing man. Skylar.

682
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: I love him so much, and I love Mama Tammy

683
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: so much. And in fact, Gajorge just like going through

684
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: this like Corey Rock thing right now, because like this

685
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: big rock company's about to Corey Engage Georgia and they

686
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: have this issue. And I noticed that's a lot in

687
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Speaker 1: Atlanta actually, and I'm really hosted hoping that C. C

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Speaker 1: Abrahams wins governorship there and can you know, kind of

689
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Speaker 1: correct this. And I think that a lot of states

690
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Speaker 1: that have one large city, like you know, whether it's

691
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Speaker 1: Chicago and Illinois or Atlanta and Georgia and New York

692
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: City and New York those states have so much adject

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Speaker 1: poverty and lack of essential normal basic materials because of

694
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Speaker 1: the way that state legislatures are set up to like

695
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: really kind of like overprovide for the bigger population centers.

696
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Speaker 1: And I mean it just feels like Javins a listening

697
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: tour for presidential bid. Well well, I mean, I mean

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Speaker 1: I never would, I never, ever in a million years

699
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: ago into politics, but I do. I'm more of a

700
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm more of a recapper and more of a I

701
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: have too many skeletons, honey, um don't. By the way,

702
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: per the point you mentioned, in these small towns in

703
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: rural areas, people vote overwhelmingly for less government, for conservatives,

704
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: and they do it mainly because of cultural issues, not

705
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: economic ones, or if they have an economic vent, they

706
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: believe that the government just always going to fail them.

707
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: And do you think that the show puts sort of

708
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Speaker 1: two positive a gloss on people's real views on these

709
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: social issues. I mean, one of the things that really

710
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: led to the election of Donald Trump was just overwhelming

711
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: vote share in small towns in rural areas, largely driven

712
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: by discomfort with the way America is changing. Well, I

713
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: don't know, people that voted for Donald Trump were more

714
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: driven to vote for him because of the way that

715
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: America is changing versus the overwhelmingly misogynistic, sexist coverage at

716
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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton endured for the last twenties nine years, like

717
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: of my whole life, Like she's in so much positive

718
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: things that were like so vehemently covered by the media,

719
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: and like really so she was so demonized. And I

720
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: also noticed that in Kansas City, like the way that

721
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Speaker 1: female politicians are demonized and covered not only by the

722
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: media but also their political opponents is very starkly contrasted

723
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Speaker 1: by when two men run against each other. What men

724
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: will bring up again women is much deeper and much

725
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: more sinister and much more cutting than what men bring

726
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: up against them. And so so yeah, I don't think

727
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: that that the show put too much gloss. And I

728
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: think that at some point, when tribalistic tendencies have come

729
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: so much into play and is really causing such a

730
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: divide in this country, at some point you have to

731
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: have an entry point into a conversation to bridge those divides.

732
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Speaker 1: And when CNN and Fox News is so polarized and

733
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: is really writing so much for headline and for clickbait

734
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: and not about really educating people, are really trying to

735
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: teach people to critically think, that's an issue. So I

736
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Speaker 1: think that, yeah, I don't think that where I put

737
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: too much of a glossy thing on. And also I

738
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Speaker 1: think it's important to remember that a lot of the

739
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: people that voted for Trump, like I think the Hillary

740
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: was a little bit correct, and some of them are

741
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: deplorable in the sense that they're racist, sexist, misogynists, causinophobic.

742
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Speaker 1: There's also a lot of really good people like Tom

743
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: who I would assume would vote for Trump that are misogynistic,

744
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: aren't sexist, aren't sinophobic, are actually good people who have

745
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: really been left behind and don't have a way to

746
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: critically think or figure out what their new role in

747
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: this new technology g is, you know, because coal mines

748
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: are closing and now it's more tech and and these

749
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: people have legitimate needs and concerns and they don't know

750
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: how They literally don't know, and they've completely lost faith,

751
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: completely lost faith, and people have and and also people

752
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: have given up on them because in the media and

753
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: in the Republican parties, like when you see these ads,

754
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: you would think that like Clara McCaskill is ushering in,

755
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: like isis into the country to like take the guns

756
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: from everyone. I mean, it is so fearmongery and so

757
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: crazy and just so far out of base of like

758
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: what is really going on. I mean, Clara mcaskill has

759
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: been a really good center for the state of Missouri.

760
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: She's worked really hard for people in rural community, she's

761
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: worked really hard for disadvantaged people. And the way that

762
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: she's portrayed in these in political as I've really noticed

763
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. It's crazy the extremes I think have

764
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: taken over, you know, And I think it's also dangerous

765
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: to generalize about Trump voters in the first place. I

766
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: think Jonathan makes a really good point. You cannot say

767
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: this whole swath of people voted for him be because

768
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: of X. No, absolutely not, and al so I then

769
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: do suck like like the deplorable thing, Like there was

770
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: a piece of that that was true. But any time

771
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: you're making like huge, gigantic, blaken statements, I do think

772
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: that it's like like a little bit of an ish

773
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: but also to the point of like, did quere I

774
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: put two glossy of a cast on conservative people in

775
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: rural areas? I don't think so, No, because what are

776
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: you gonna do, Like have the five of us come

777
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: to someone who's like extremely homophobic and like and be

778
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: like have us being like unsafe situation like you're obviously

779
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: not gonna have us like make over someone who's like

780
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: unsafe for us. Do you think they put on their

781
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: best face and that some of it belied some of

782
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: the undercurrents of racism, sexism, misogyny, homophobia maybe with people

783
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: who were like in locales where we were like like

784
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: the one with Joe Gawa where we were doing that

785
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: like stand up thing at that like rotary club sort

786
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: of place, like when we were actually there, like I

787
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: didn't realize like how crazily people were looking at me,

788
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: Like it didn't occur to me at all, Like I

789
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: there's one when you watched the EPID, So yeah, then

790
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: I was like, holy sh it, like that guy was

791
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: really being an asshole and there was there was a

792
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on, but it didn't mean because,

793
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: like I said, it goes over my head, like I'm

794
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: too busy being fabulous to notice. But I like that

795
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: every time you say something like that, I'm like, I'm

796
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: putting that on a T shirt. Yeah, so um, you know.

797
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: And also I think that most people, most people are

798
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: are good at heart. I think most people are. I

799
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: do think that media today is dividing people because you

800
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: do have an alternative universe depending on where you're getting

801
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: your news and information totally, and then it just feeds

802
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: your sort of worst impulses to to you know, as

803
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: as President Obama would say, manufactured Outragel. Yes, yes, I

804
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: think Fox and CNN are the biggest defenders because when

805
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: I watched about MSNBC don't watch it, so I don't know,

806
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: sorry about it, Rachel. I love your I just never

807
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: had that channel. Don't care. Um, But as far as

808
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: an End and Fox, it's over and over and over

809
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: and over and over. It's the exact same thing. And

810
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, with all of your money and all of

811
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: your resources, like, can you not go to Yemen? What

812
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: about the collar outbreak of problem Jonathan? When they start

813
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: covering those things, ratings go down because people want to

814
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: watch the reality show and it's far more expensive to cover.

815
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you get better, but can't you give me?

816
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: But can I get moments? Can't we diversify a little bit,

817
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: like can't we move a couple doors down? It was

818
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: interesting because I was talking to a friend of mine

819
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: who works at MSNBC, and I said, oh gosh, there

820
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: must have been some relief about the tie rescue because

821
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: at least it was a moment to depart from Trump,

822
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: and she said, we didn't even cover that. So I

823
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: think it's become so just political something. But at some point,

824
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: like doesn't someone need to be the bigger person and

825
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: take the hit and see if people actually choose a

826
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: better source it's all about. But wouldn't that be interesting though,

827
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: if someone could take, like, give me like a Reiter's

828
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: or an NPR moment but in a capitalized network and

829
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: see if that works. No one's ever tried, like I

830
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: think probably they have. Date Line kind of was like

831
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: a moment because I had to say Solidette O'Brien's coverage

832
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: of that Jonestown documentary in like two thousand and eleven.

833
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: I still think about it so good. So I mean

834
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: I do think that uh Fox, I wouldn't know enough

835
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: about to say this, and I actually would. I think

836
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: I could also go out and elem enough to say

837
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: that is not they never do good stuff, But CNN

838
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: does do good stuff sometimes. I mean, they do do

839
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: good investigative journalism. Sometimes. I do feel like that Solid

840
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: had special sheet brings the heat with CNN, and I

841
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: love that. Also, Sanja Gupta, we love him, but I

842
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: do think just the way that it's laid out. I

843
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: think that the whole like ratings machine and how that

844
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: relates to news and what that's doing to our country.

845
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: It's like if you if CNN is gonna sit and

846
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: call Donald Trump like not fit for presidency and not

847
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: and you know, not patriotic, It's like, what is because,

848
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: like my set had always said, if you're pointing at

849
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: someone calling them something like, you've got three fingers pointing

850
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: back at you. So I think that we all have

851
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: a hand in this, and we all could make this

852
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: a little bit cuter. Can we talk about this medium

853
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: for a second? Podcasting? So you do another podcast addition, yes,

854
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: called Getting Curious is a web series? People cannot but

855
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: also to you though, honey, people do that all the time.

856
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: People like don't know what the things are. A web series,

857
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: it's like a video on the internet that's a series

858
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: of videos. And then a podcast is when we're here

859
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: with these gorgeous no. But it's like, but lots of

860
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: people do. But tomato to motto, Yeah, it's fine, it's fine.

861
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about how you got into podcasting,

862
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: what you think of the medium, and sort of what

863
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: the point of your show is. So I was inspired

864
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: by Aaron Gibson and Brian's Happy because they have another

865
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: amazing podcast called Throwing Shade. That was the first podcast

866
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: that I ever listened to it. I was like, fun,

867
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: I got lucky enough to assist for this photo shoot

868
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: that any Leeboitz did and like a long time ago

869
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: with an old boss of mine, and she what I

870
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: learned from her that was so interesting because when you

871
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: think of like photography and fashion print, it's a very curated,

872
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: very produced world. Her whole phase that she was at

873
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: least going through then was that like if anything even

874
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: felt like it was bordering onto produced or just to

875
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: like for she was like, oh, I hate to get

876
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: away from you, like hated it, like that hair is

877
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: too done, that shirt's too fucking done, Like it's all

878
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: too done. She hated at like it just had to

879
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: be very like raw and real. And I loved that

880
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: about her, So Annie, yeah, because that's so unusual if

881
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: you look at her Vanity Farewell and that phase though

882
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: that she was going through like this like two thousand

883
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: and eleven phase, it just needed and even if it

884
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: does turn out looking really produced, like she she needed

885
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: the set to feel like just very like undone, like

886
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: having been there, it made sense, I guess as someone

887
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: who wasn't on the said, I can see how that

888
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't make sense. But the point is that in getting

889
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: curious and I started doing that, I was like, I

890
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: don't want any sort of like reoccurring segment. I don't

891
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: want any sort of like bells and whistles. I just

892
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: want like the same song to start every time, and

893
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: then me and the same like me and an expert

894
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: to talk thirty minutes sometimes works. I can't stop talking

895
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: to learn about something. And I just didn't want anything

896
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: like to produce. I just wanted like a natural little combo.

897
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: Tell me about some of the episodes. I know you

898
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: did one on the Middle East, for example, I've done

899
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: two in the Middle East with the professor of Islamic

900
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: History from U C. L A. His name is Dr

901
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: James Kelvin. I love him so much. He's so smart.

902
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: He um, he's lived it down. Yeah, he broke it down.

903
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: He continues to break it down. He's someone who I

904
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: will definitely have back because he has such a wealth

905
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: of knowledge and and I think that Middle East politics

906
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: and Middle East history is so confusing for like a

907
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: gay kid from Quincy, Illinois, Like, how do you even

908
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: break all that down? So I've done one on like

909
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: psychobiological Approach to couples therapy, which is short for packed,

910
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: which is invented by stand tack In. So I interviewed him.

911
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: He's incredible making up for dropping out of I am.

912
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing. I can't fake interest in

913
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: that I'm not interested in. So you take a topic

914
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: that you're really interested in, and you figure out who

915
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: the right person to talk to that and you just

916
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: talk to them. Yeah, and you try to learn as

917
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: much as you can. And before I was a success,

918
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: I used to have to like cold email like twenty

919
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: and thirty professors of like anything. Yeah, like demologists, homologists,

920
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: that's what it is. It's fun now because it's like

921
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: it's easier to produce now because now people know what

922
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: it is, which is fun. Well, let's talk before we

923
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: go about Brian, because I thought I'm gonna ask Jonathan

924
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: to kind of if he had to make over Brian,

925
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: what would would he even be? Honestly, I think you're

926
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: such a handsome boy. You have very beautiful skin, You've

927
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: got great hair. I love your outfit. I thought you

928
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: look great today. Really you wouldn't do anything you think

929
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: of his hair and put some product in it a

930
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: little bit. I also came curious if you had like

931
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more stubble, like I would have had

932
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: like a little bit more like bad boy stubble. Like

933
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: I wonder what stuff well I could I could grow

934
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: it out for a couple like I feel like if

935
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: you had like a few more days, like you'd be

936
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: serving like a little bit of like David Muir, like

937
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: real nous, you know what I mean? Like I have

938
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: to work out for about two years. I mean I

939
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: would be curious to see what you look like if

940
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: you're just like going to Whole Foods, Like what do

941
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: you wear? If you're just like going to the grocery starch? Right?

942
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: In that case, I would I want you to get

943
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: if I could not to say the name of my

944
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: podcast and sentence, but I would love to see you

945
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: getting curious about like what's your athletisure? Look, what's your

946
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: like comfy cashual? What if you ever want to go

947
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: play tennis or something? What would you wear? I don't

948
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: actually like Jonathan to take a crack at my husband

949
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: John He definitely could use a little fashion help. But

950
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: I have to ask you about your your queer eye brethren.

951
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I think a lot of people are

952
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: fascinated by the whole crew. Yes, okay, so let's talk

953
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: about Bobby. Bobby does more work than anyone. Let's face it,

954
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: he does so much work. But he also has a

955
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: team quintuple the size of anyone's, Like I don't have

956
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: like I don't have an assistant. I have this year.

957
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: I for the first time, I have someone to help

958
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: me because I'm doing like much larger transformations this time around. Um,

959
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm meaning much more into like color and stuff. But

960
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: Bobby does do so much work. He and he is

961
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: incredibly passionate and incredibly committed. But I really like him, No,

962
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: I love him. He's when we got cast, when I

963
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: first met him, he was someone who like just we

964
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: immediately We're really close. He knows every single, like dark

965
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: secret about me, like like he like he knows everything

966
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: about me. He's like one of the most trustworthy people

967
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: I know. I love him. He's he's so funny, he's

968
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: really really genuine. He's a really really hard worker. Like

969
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: I absolutely adore him. And his background is sort of

970
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: similar to, well, our biggest beef is that Illinois people

971
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: make fun of Missourians for driving, and Missourians make fun

972
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: of well actually, really what it is is Missourians get

973
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: made fun of by Illinoisans for the driving, and then

974
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: Kansas people also make fun of Missourian people for their

975
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: driving because everyone knows that universality, Missourians cannot drive. And um,

976
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: and that's just for me coming from a border town,

977
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: like that's just you know, there's no shade there. It's

978
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: just why can't Missourians because they don't have a driver's

979
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: at program like your parents teach you how to drive? Seriously, Yes,

980
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about it. The thing obsess with

981
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: Tan Tan I love so much? Um, I like what

982
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: to like? Should we introduce what these people do for

983
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: the clothing? Fashion? Guy Bobby is the home Tannon I

984
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: is like main goal in each other's life is like

985
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: his goal in my life is to teach me boundaries

986
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: and my goal in his life is to take them

987
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: all away. So you know, there's always like that gorgeous friendship.

988
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: I love his hair. I love his hair so much,

989
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: very particular about his hair, but I love him so

990
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: much about it is that a natural gray or does he? Yes?

991
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: You cannot buy that color in a body. I think

992
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: it's really pretty. My hair was so stunning. I'd like

993
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: to should I Well, my mom and I grew hers out,

994
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: and if you ever wanted to, because you're so light now,

995
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be because like my mom and I grew

996
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: her color is the best decision we ever made. She

997
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: looks amazing. She looks amazing with her strikes. I'm just

998
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: afraid mine's going to be sort of nasty, you know,

999
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: salt and pepper. Every time I mentioned it, all my

1000
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: friends say, no, you'll look too old. I think silver

1001
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: hair is stunning, and I think that it's very like underrated.

1002
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: And can you make it like look whiter if it

1003
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: doesn't come, you can do a little. You can do

1004
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: like a semi permanent gloss. It's got like a violet

1005
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: base to counteract any yellow in it, to brighten it

1006
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: up as much as possible. All right, well, we'll discuss.

1007
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: But I also love your color the way that she's beautiful.

1008
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, let's talk about Anthony. Love Anthony

1009
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: such a hard worker, a really really just true of

1010
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: rock and solid person, really rock and bod which one

1011
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: is Anthony. Anthony does the food. He's so funny, Like

1012
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, give Anthony more to do than just teach

1013
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: a guy how to make guacama But you know what,

1014
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: he gets a lot of black for that. But I

1015
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: think that it's like when you think about, you know,

1016
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: his vertical in my vertical, Like am I going to

1017
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: come in on a guy who's never used sunscreen before

1018
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: and give him like a light contour beat? Like am

1019
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: I going to show him how to conjure his face

1020
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: and how to you know, get like no, like you

1021
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: have to meet people where they're at. I agree. So yeah,

1022
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I think that they got a lot of undue flag

1023
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: for I mean a lot of these Tom the most

1024
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: Tomas didn't get yes, Like in the press, he got

1025
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: a lot of flak for his cooking skills. And like

1026
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: Tom literally was eating Cheetos and mountain Dew Margarita's every

1027
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: day for like a year. So like getting him to

1028
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: make guacamole was lacord on blue. Teaching him how to

1029
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: cut an avocado was like that was epic for him. Yeah,

1030
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: I think it's probably big city slickers kind of Bilkaramoy.

1031
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: He's so handsome. Yeah, so handsome and really so empathetic

1032
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: and so smart and I'm really really caring and just

1033
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, a really good guy. Like I cannot say

1034
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: enough good words about how I loved them. You guys

1035
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: have all made a big mark for each of your careers.

1036
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: Do you guys get competitive? Really? No? I think I

1037
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: think all of us really kind of operate by like

1038
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: that law of abundance versus a law of scarcity. I

1039
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: don't think that like when any of us gets like

1040
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: something good that happens to us, I don't feel like

1041
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: any of the rest of us feel like that takes

1042
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: away an opportunity for the rest of us. So I

1043
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: really feel like we do operate like from a law

1044
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: of abundance space and it doesn't feel jealous at all.

1045
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: We were so happy for each other and like really,

1046
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: I mean like they come to a lot of my

1047
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: stand up shows, they post my like we post each

1048
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: other's stuff. Like we're all really supportive and I really

1049
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: love each other. How is your stand up career? It's

1050
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: been so fun. I was when I first started doing it,

1051
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: I was like kind of coasting by on, like, oh

1052
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: my god, everyone loves you so much. From the show.

1053
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: You're like a new kid on the block, so you

1054
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: can kind of almost just get up here and heels

1055
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: and dance around and everyone will think it's funny. Complately,

1056
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm more like, oh my god, like you got like

1057
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: this is an art, this is the craft. I gotta

1058
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: get it together. I'm like, so I'm really like working

1059
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: on my act. I'm really it's funny and yeah, like clubs,

1060
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: stand up places and it's just fun. Like I it's

1061
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: a whole new medium, it's a whole new art. I

1062
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: feel like I haven't been this passionate about learning about

1063
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: something since, like I started doing hair. So it's really

1064
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: it's like a whole new medium for me to get into.

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Speaker 1: And how are you learning about it? You take trial

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Speaker 1: funny no trial and air um. I just I'm getting up.

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Speaker 1: I work a lot with my friend Kyle, who is

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Speaker 1: coming on the tour with me, the Hotels dot Com tour,

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Speaker 1: and she'll come to all of my all the comedy

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Speaker 1: shows and we're just spitballing a lot with each other

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Speaker 1: and working a lot with each other. It's just it's

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Speaker 1: really fun and talking about your life and your life

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Speaker 1: experiences and storyteller than a one joke one liner person,

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Speaker 1: but I work in some good one liners throughout, but

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Speaker 1: those are always pretty meta, like I don't really plan

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Speaker 1: those ones like you like you have today. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy for your success and thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for doing this. It's really nice to meet you.

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Speaker 1: And Katie is still a little upset that you don't

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Speaker 1: want to make me over. You brought the heats that

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Speaker 1: you look great. Thank you Jonathan. By the way, before

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Speaker 1: we go, a quick footnote. The very next day, after

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Speaker 1: we interviewed Jonathan van Ness Queer I took home three Emmy's.

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Speaker 1: So congratulations j v N and to the entire Queer

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Speaker 1: Eye team, well done. That wraps up our show for today, folks.

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Speaker 1: Thanks this week to Cody Ziegler in our l A

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Speaker 1: Studio who helped us out with this recording and on

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Speaker 1: a Saturday morning, I might add thank you Cody. Our

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Speaker 1: usual thanks to our producer Gianna Palmer, our associate producer

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Speaker 1: Nora Richie, and our engineer Jared O'Connell who mixed this episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks also to Katie's amazing, indefatigable assistant Bethams, and a

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Speaker 1: warm welcome to Julia Lewis, who I always want to say,

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Speaker 1: Julia Lewis dried this. Julia Lewis, who is our great

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Speaker 1: new digital content manager at Katie Currik Media, Mark Phillips

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Speaker 1: at our theme music. Katie Kurrik and I are the

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Speaker 1: show's executive producers. Find me on Twitter at Goldsmith b

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Speaker 1: and Katie, meanwhile, is all over the social media's under

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Speaker 1: the name Katie Currik and folks. That heads up next

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Speaker 1: week's show and the one after we'll be slightly different.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be trying out a documentary format for the

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Speaker 1: first time to mark the tenure anniversary of my interviews

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Speaker 1: within vice presidential candidates Sarah Palin and we should mention, Brian,

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Speaker 1: you were a really important producer during the course of

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Speaker 1: those interviews, so you've been putting up with me for

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Speaker 1: a very long time. I can't believe it was ten

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Speaker 1: years ago. Anyway, For this two part audio doc you

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Speaker 1: and I spoke with many of the key players from

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Speaker 1: the two thousand eight campaign. Our goal with this series

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Speaker 1: is to reconstruct what happened in front of the camera

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Speaker 1: and behind the scenes, right all the palace intrigue that

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Speaker 1: was going on at CBS News at the time, well

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Speaker 1: not all of it, but we really wanted to explore, also, Brian,

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Speaker 1: whether Sarah Palin's brand of politics, sort of fire brand

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Speaker 1: brand of politics, helped pay the way for the politics

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. Again, this one will be a two parter,

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Speaker 1: so look out for it next week and the week after.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you then. Thanks everyone for listening. Thank

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Speaker 1: you