WEBVTT - Noel Takeover: Kesha on Wayne's World 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.960 Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.600 Well Hey everyone, h surprise, Yeah, it's me Nol here 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:39.720 for an unscheduled appearance on a regular episode of Movie Crush. UM. Today, 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:46.760 I have the absolute pleasure of interviewing podcaster, rerecontour, storyteller, 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.479 and genuine pop star Kesha, who also happens to be 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.639 a really kind and lovely thoughtful person. UM. I met 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.840 Kesha while working on her podcast, Uh Kesha and the Creepies, 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.360 where she talks to all times of interesting people about 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.480 all kinds of interesting stuff, typically UM revolving around the 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.520 paranormal and you know, spooky stuff. Uh. And the first 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.200 guest you ever had on her podcast was Alice Cooper Um, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.319 who she became a huge fan of from the movie 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.760 Wayne's World that we talked about today. Uh. It's very 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:19.920 clear from talking to her that this movie holds a 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.400 super special place in her heart, just like it does mine. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.080 We're pretty close to the same age and clearly both 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.200 came up with this movie UM as kids, and it 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.960 carried on with us throughout our adult lives. And it's 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.840 something I've always kind of referred back to as for 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.400 words of wisdom or very least, you know some pretty 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.200 quotable quotes. Um, and Kesha seems to feel very much 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.560 the same way. So sit back and relax with your 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.680 your eminem and popcorn. I know that's a Chuck favorite, 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.760 and uh enjoy this very special movie Crush interview with 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:59.280 the One and Only Kesha. I was just reading up 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:05.000 on some some Wikipedia. You know Wayne's World. Well, you know, 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.600 like I just like, I've seen this movie so many times. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.240 This is like I saw this in the theater when 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.200 I was a kid. I didn't even rewatch it for 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:13.880 this because I can quote it like front to back, 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.040 you know, any little tidbits about the production and stuff 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.919 like that. It's kind of refamiliarizing myself with Like the 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:25.680 time in which it came out. It was three I think, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.720 and it was the highest grossing movie of that the 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.480 highest grossing movie of that year, and the highest grossing 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.400 UH Saturday Night Live adaptation of all time, which totally 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.200 makes sense because so many of those are hit or miss, 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.440 but this one obviously hit right. Oh my god, I 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:45.320 mean it changed my life. That is a big statement, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.320 Sully Buddy Comedy. You got to explain how did Wayne's 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.880 World the movie change Okay, for real, it changed my 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.480 life because that was the first time I saw Alice 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:02.520 Cooper on stage and I was like, whatever that guy's doing, 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.760 I want to do what that guy does and feed 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:12.320 my Frankenstein. Yeah, and just the stage show and then 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.680 he was just like lovely afterwards, and of course like 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.600 it like made me in my heart. I was like, 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.520 I want to do that. A. I'm obsessed with Alice 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.680 Cooper and since then I have now become like really 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.680 close friends with him. I went out to dinner with him, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.520 like last night. His daughter is one of my best friends. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.640 We did a song together. We've been snorkeling looking at 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.520 sea turtles together. But it all started. It all started 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.600 with Wayn's will of course. Yeah, and he was obviously 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:49.600 also one of the first guests on your podcast. Yeah. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.240 Um that scene is iconic for so many reasons. I 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.200 think he sort of plays into this idea that he's 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.400 going to be this like scary, you know, horror guy, 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.720 but in fact he's like, well, actually, you know, what 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:07.560 is it the Algonquin word with Millie Wake, which means 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.080 the good lad it's so good. It's just kind of 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.000 how to party or what like, we're not worthy when 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.200 they meet him, and of course, like every time I 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.640 meet someone who I'm star struck by, I have to 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:28.679 keep myself from doing that, and occasionally, depending on my mood, 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.320 I'll just do it and just don't feel like what 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.000 are you doing? I'm like, you don't know where to 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:38.479 get it? Over with? Party with Alice Cooper? Hello, So 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.640 I mean, look, that movie is just quotable on so 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.120 many levels. It's up there with like, let's say The 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.320 Big Lebowski. For me, that's a movie that I can 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.599 just like pull quotes from attached or use them in 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.320 all kinds of different situations and they just applaud um. Yeah, 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.720 So okay, change your life in terms of like maybe 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.440 giving you a model for like an aesthetic like creatively 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.800 in Alice Cooper. But what about the humor and kind 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.919 of like the heart, Like what else really spoke to 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.800 you about Wayne's Oh my god? I mean so I 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:12.200 am also obsessed obviously with Wayne, but Garth like his awkwardness. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.040 I was like, I really relate to that guy, like 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:20.320 just feeling just like total awkward guy. And then Dana 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.719 was a guest on Cash and the Creepies too, so 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:28.599 I like fully almost I've got like sixty six point 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:32.760 six percent of the people I want on my podcast, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.640 So now I just got I gotta get Wayne, you 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.440 gotta get Wayne. Well, now now they're doing those Uh 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.000 I don't mean to sound negative, but those Uber Eats 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.599 commercials they do together really freaked me out. They just 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.920 they don't look right anymore for those characters. They they're 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.200 a little too long in the tooth to be rocking 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.240 those bigs. Um. But it's it's it's charming, but it 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.000 still freaks me out a little bit. But I gotta ask. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.960 You're saying awkward you related to Garth. I don't see 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.640 you that way. I'm sure a lot of your fans 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.640 don't see you that way. You've got so much confidence 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.760 in Poison. I can never really picture you being that 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.599 awkward kid. But can you talk about that time in 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.040 your life and why you might have related to that character. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.600 I'm not like an awkward kid, I'm an awkward adult person. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:19.600 Like fully, I'm so awkward. And then there's a part 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.880 where he's decked out in all the different brands and 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.120 he's talking about like, but what, I forget what the 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:27.840 words are, but he's like, oh no, it's the whole 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.640 sellout bit where it's I don't know why people just 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.960 say I have to only do things for money. It's 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:36.679 just sad. He's like, here, take one of these small 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.800 yellow different Yes, that's what it is. And it's just 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:45.800 so funny because when you get to be an entertainer, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.040 then all of a sudden people want you to like 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.120 sell a toothbrush, and I'm like, well, of course I 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.600 brushed my teeth. Okay, I'll sell this toothbrush. But then 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.839 part of me always thinks of that scene in Wayne's 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.839 world where he's like decked and all the brands, and 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.880 I'm like, yep, I relate to that, and I relate 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:09.960 to his awkwardness, just like yesterday I did a UM 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:15.320 live stream and I just felt like it just he 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:16.920 tried to teach me how to talk like him, but 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.480 I can't do it. I just like to play. I 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:24.240 don't know, it just like super awkward. Just I don't know, 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.720 I'm awkward to ship well you know what that I 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.760 think it's endearing. And I honestly think that like being 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.360 yourself and just owning it whatever that means, it's kind 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.440 of just the only way to be. And I agree 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.680 that movie kind of talk. It really is kind of 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.800 about being yourself and about kind of doing your thing 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.960 and not letting other people kind of like tell you 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.360 who you are, you know, and maybe I'm like, yeah, no, 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.960 I think it is too. It's about like also like 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.680 the lines of which I think this might also be 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.520 like maybe i'm reading into it now, but I'm thinking 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.840 about it, like the lines of which you're okay with 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:05.000 and what is selling out? What isn't, like, because certain 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.600 things aren't selling out, but you're dealing with a brand, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:13.200 and then certain things, I just feel like you're compromising 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.840 your art and your craft. And watching Wayne's World when 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:23.880 name partner with what is his Name's Noah's Arcade, that's right, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.640 and then it just all turns into this like very 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.520 polished song. And I relate to that because I remember 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:37.520 my very first tour was with Rihanna, and I was like, Okay, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.400 I'm like this like little kind of gutter punk kid, 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.240 and I live in this house with a bunch of 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.160 different people, and like it was kind of like this 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.600 punk like flop house. It was just all different types 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.960 of people sleeping there and it was fun and it 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:58.200 was disgusting and it was great, and I was like, Okay, 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:03.439 I want to make my life onto a stage performance 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.480 in my life right now is it's not super glamorous. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.959 There are a lot of things duct taped together, and 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:11.800 I'm not going to try to pretend to be some 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.920 polished person that I'm just not. I'm just not that. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.679 So then I hired a musical director to do like 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.840 walk on music for when I was going on stage, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.000 and I remember he was a lovely guy, no shade 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.640 to him, but he made a walk on music that 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:36.520 sounded just like it was like here comes Kasha cashakshakeshahaesha. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.960 And I was like, what the fuck is this? Oh 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.960 my god, that's amazing. But that's so that's so funny 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.480 because like, you know, you got your start being so 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.200 you know, you do have that kind of rough aesthetic 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:54.520 in a lot of ways, and you sort of like 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.640 kind of came into your own before our very eyes. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.839 And then you've obviously turned made a lot of twist 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.160 and turns in your career. It always felt you know, 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.160 like you um and now especially I feel like you've 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.800 really kind of gone on this more almost like I 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.240 don't know if the word psychedelic is right, is absolutely 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:12.960 the right word. I was hoping you would use that 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.800 word good. It's it's a it's a word I probably 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.319 throw around a little too much even on the show. Uh, 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.040 listeners jokes sometimes that there's a drinking game for every 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.760 time Noel says an aesthetic a psychedelic exactly. But but 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.880 I think my point is about Wayne's world, and again 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.280 I think we're like analyzing what's ultimately just kind of 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.560 a silly comedy, but there is so much heart to 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.839 it and it does have this message, but it's very 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.120 self aware and it gets so meta at the end 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.800 with like the multiple endings and kind of like these 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.640 stock characters and the way it breaks all the walls, 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.640 you know of kind of reality. They open a door 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.240 and there's like this training sequence from like Michian going on. 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.880 You know. Um, I just love that about it. It's 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.800 it's it is, it is psychedelic, and that it has 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.880 all of these like things that couldn't possibly exist in reality, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.440 but it's also somehow grounded in reality. But then like 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.440 magic and just kind of happen out of nowhere, you know, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.400 it totally is. And then yeah, the whole thing is 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.199 you're just like on this ride where you don't know 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.520 what's about to happen, and I love that, and the 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.560 awkward humor is great, and then there is so much heart. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.040 And then when Wayne walks up to the camera when 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.000 Cassandra is filming the video with the snake, He's like, 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.080 and there isn't any film in this camera and he 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.360 rips it open and all the film comes falling out 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.840 for like an awkward amount of time. It's just like 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.000 it just makes me so happy. Like that's my movie. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:44.319 I watch when all else fails during Quarantine. I have 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.160 watched that movie. I can't even tell you, like so 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:51.200 many times. If I'm stressed or I'm bombed or the 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.760 world's falling apart, I'm like, you know what, I'm making 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.720 all of the above, and there's like a narcissistic sociopath 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:04.520 and this like I just put on Wayne's world, and 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.640 I'm like, it will be okay, not because Wayne's world, 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.680 Like you can understand Wayne's world, you know what I mean. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.520 Like I'm kind of again probably overthinking this a bit, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.600 but it is like this universe that exists kind of 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.959 like he's the narrator. He's talking directly to the camera. Um, 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.200 it is literally his World, but it's also the name 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.040 of the show. I recently, I have a twelve year 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.080 old daughter who is basically like, might as well be Yeah, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.360 she might as well be like nineteen. It's ridiculous. She's 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.840 gotten like super into like cosplay and weird anime and 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.360 super bizarre humor, which is amazing. I love, you know, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.199 her sense of humor. It's really dark and weird. And 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.120 there's whole swaths of her life and the kind of 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.600 humor and stuff she's into that doesn't connect with me. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.160 And I'm starting to kind of feel like an old man. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.680 But I made her. I literally made her sit down 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.320 and watch Wayne's World one and two back to back 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.880 with you. And she wouldn't admit it, but I could 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.960 tell she was glue to it because it has a 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.760 similar sensibility to some of the very like Tim and 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:09.200 Ariki that she's into um And I could tell she 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.120 really loved it and she really got it, even though 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.040 she would never say, whoa, dad, that was awesome. Thank 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.000 you so much for showing me. It was like, yeah, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.040 it was fine, but I could tell that she was 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.160 mega into it and that made me feel good. You're like, 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.719 I did a good thing. You like it I did 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.559 a good thing. No, I think it is like very 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.200 self aware is a good thing to pick up on 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:37.080 it because I think, especially now, like it's great to 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.480 be self aware. I feel like the younger generation is 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.640 more self aware than at least I was. Ship. But 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.800 I think that's a really good that's a really positive thing. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.640 So I think the whole movie being so self aware 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.800 about how ridiculous it is makes it just so lovable. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.200 But it also has like a moral kind of compass, 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.720 like a moral enter again, like we said about being 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.520 yourself and like not selling out too much. She can 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.880 it's not even selling out if you're just successful. You 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.080 can find success and do the things that you love 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.160 without having to quote unquote be a cell. I think 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.960 that's the message. And stick to your artistic guns and 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.240 compromise where it's okay to compromise and you feel okay 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.360 about it, but then also don't if it doesn't. And 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.960 I think that is something that I've carried with me 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:29.400 throughout my entire career. I will attribute that to also 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.640 to Wayne's World. And I had a reality TV show 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.920 and I used to talk to the camera and I 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.680 made an infinite amount of jokes about how awkward it was. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:39.760 But I was the only person that could talk to 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.520 the camera because my brother would keep trying to talk 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.800 to the camera and be like no, no, no, there's 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.480 like Wayne's world. I ain't get to talk to camera, 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:59.920 not you. So I definitely butchered some little stats up front. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.440 I'm gonna go ahead and make that right. She came 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.440 out in it was the tenth highest grossing movie of 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.040 that year, and I was right. It does remain the 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.800 single highest grossing S n L sketch based movie of 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:17.560 all time. Um, and it was directed by Penelope Spiris. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.240 Do you know much about Penelope Spirist. I don't. I 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.880 was like five. I was five when it came out, 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.480 so I don't know like the details of it, like 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.160 I would know like when I would look up stuff. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.800 I just know that I was like enamored. So tell 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.000 me about her. Well, she's really interesting. Um, she's someone 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.480 that's worth looking into, just as like a badass woman. UM, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:43.040 so few women directors they get their due in Hollywood period. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:48.800 But she was definitely like a big shot, you know director. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.480 She did a lot of comedies and stuff, but she 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.560 also did these amazing documentaries. One of them was called 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.760 Heavy Metal Parking Lot. Oh my god, she did Heavy 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.040 Metal Parking Lot. She did. And she also did The 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.880 Decline of Western Civilization uh in nineteen one, which was 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.160 about like punk, and then she did The Decline of 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.840 Western Civilation Part two, which was about metal and it 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.160 was like all of these you know, Aussie and Kiss 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.160 and Aerosmith and Megadeath and all these like Wasp. You know, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.720 there's the scene of like the Wasp guitarists like floating 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.040 in a you know, pool on like a giant inflatable 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.240 like duck or something like clearly smacked out and with 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.040 like a bottle of vodka. So it's just like the 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.680 most like you know, debauched kind of view of that 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.400 world ever. Um. And she did that. She did these 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.840 amazing documentaries, and then she did like a bunch of 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:41.640 like Chris Farley movie she did like Black Sheep, Love 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.920 that one. She did The Beverly Hillbillies, the Little Rascals, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.520 like clearly she was Hitto the streak of kind of 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.840 like old sitcom is being made into movies. Um. But 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.640 then she just was like, you know what, fuck Hollywood, 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.400 and she never made another movie again. She like left, 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.720 she moved, She completely disavowed everything because she was kind 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.600 of almost forced out and was just treated like garbage 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.000 and just was like, you know what, this isn't worth it, 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.600 and so she she got out. Um, but she's just 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.440 really outspoken woman. I really wish she had a podcast. Um, 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.399 and it was just a super influential and I'm going 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.520 to check her out now. You're super inspiring me to 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.159 check her out. By the way, I messed up a 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.239 Spiris did not do heavy metal parking Lot. There were 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.639 very adjacent films with the Western Civilization movies, but she 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.320 didn't do that one. So I just wanted to get 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:35.800 that corrective. Sure well, and Cassandra, I love having them. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.719 I don't know, she's like kind of a hero and 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.560 like stands her own and it's such a badass. I 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:47.359 loved her character like growing up to me, I was like, 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.640 I want to be I want to be like her, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:55.280 Like she's such a badass and she's so hot and confident, 0:17:55.600 --> 0:18:00.359 screams and covers these awesome songs, just like everything about her. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.160 I was like, she's a badass. Like she's definitely an 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:08.919 idol of mine. Absolutely, And uh, that's kind of what 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.600 obviously attracts Wayne to her because she's immediately she know 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.720 she what is she like does she kicks the bouncer's 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.879 ass or some guy that like kind of accidentally groups 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.560 her and she does this total like badass kind of ninja, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.800 you know, sequence um. And then she's also really approachable, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.320 like she's she's she's you know, tough, and she's not 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.360 gonna put up with any ship, but she's ultimately like, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.640 you know, here, come to my loft so you can 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.959 you can come to my loft party or whatever. And 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.960 then you know she likes him and he's kind of 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.160 a nerd, Like he really isn't like a cool guy, Wayne, 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.400 even like none of them are, and that's what makes 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.439 them so appealing. No, not at all. I'm actually taking 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:51.359 this a step further, which may be totally inaccurate, but 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.359 this maybe at five years old where my love of 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:03.359 nerds that are awkward was born because I like wanted 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.359 to be her and like dress like her and with 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.240 the lace and the red and playing the bass and 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.800 it was just all really so cool and like you said, 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.919 she'll take no ship, but she's really sweet and and 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.520 then she just like I love, she picks a total 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:26.480 nerd over this, like smooth talking, rich guy that's good 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:31.840 at ordering food on the phone, right right, right, yeah, Cantonese. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.720 He like totally flexes that he I can speak Cantonese, 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.119 Like yeah, oh man, that's amazing. Um. So that's the 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.320 thing too with Cassandra. So that's Tia Carrera as the 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.200 as the actor that plays Cassandra, and she actually does 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.919 all those vocals. Um you know, is you can't fake 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.800 that kind of you know, rock and roll badassory and 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.920 obviously huge kind of fashion icon the way she like 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.960 presents herself. And I imagine that would have spoken to 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.280 you as well, Oh my god fully, Like my best 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.760 friend and I saw it. I was like five and 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.560 she was like seven, and we went to the thrift 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.640 store and found a bunch of like lace and made 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:14.080 like I was in a sewing school. Miss Marguerite sewing school. 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.400 She's a lovely older woman who was very very conservative, 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.240 and so we went into sewing school after watching Wayne's 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.840 World and we're like, we're going to make a dress 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:28.360 like this, and she was horrified and like a five 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.240 year old and a seven year old are trying to 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:35.439 make like Cassandra's dress, which is like a mega mini 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.880 like pleather skirt. Yeah, And I remember my friend actually 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.439 who's still my best friend, she got kicked out of 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.080 sewing school because she's like, no, I am making this 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:50.480 dress and Miss Marguerite was like, no, you're gonna look 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.159 like a baby hooker. And she was like, I'm making 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:59.240 the dress. And then of course I was like loyal friends. Yeah, 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.200 I was like, loyal friend knows like she can wear 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:05.480 what she wants to. And that was the story of 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.840 how I got kicked out of sewing school. It happens 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.080 to the best of us, happens. Yeah, my kid is 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.760 actually taking sewing classes too, and she does all this 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:19.400 crazy like mega creative uh cosplay stuff, Like she's really 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.239 into anime and she like sows these insane costumes and 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.880 like does these like TikTok videos and stuff. That's great though, 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.680 I think it's such a good creative outlet to sew 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.439 and make clothing creative. And it's also but it's like 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.639 it's weird because she's twelve and some of the stuff 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.720 does push these be these boundaries a little bit. But 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:40.560 I know what she's doing and I know what her 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.000 intent is, and she just owns it. And it's like 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.560 if someone says to me, like, how can you let 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.560 your daughter dress like that or whatever? My answer is like, 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:50.639 I don't let her do ship like I mean, this 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.160 is a creative outlet for her and she's owning it 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.840 and she does it and she just does it and 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.919 it's not you know, there's just no way around it. 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.080 But it's not like something and I'm concerned about her 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.960 the idea of being too sexualized or any ship like that. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.520 I mean, it's totally a form of expression and I'm 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:08.640 proud of her, you know, and I think it's incredible 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.640 when I think at the time, this was before TikTok 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.199 was a thing on Instagram, Like it was just me 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.560 and my best friend walking around the house looking like 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.719 baby hookers. So I'm pretty sure my mom would be 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:25.640 like fucking anywhere in this like red very short, inappropriate thing. 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:30.000 But like we were feeling ourselves so hard and like 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.240 in the basement singing. I forgot what it was like 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:38.160 trying to learn how to scream like Tia Carera totally 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:43.240 oh yeah at the end of the ballroom blitz that 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:48.760 that's still her scream is like, oh my god, she smashes. 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:51.520 It kind of cuts you to the soul. It really 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:55.280 like connects with you, you know, um viscertainly like in 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.080 this primal way. I absolutely love her performance. Can we 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:01.840 talk a little bit about the soundtrack? Was compact disc 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.479 I ever owned? I had this on CD, first one 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:07.639 I ever bought with my own money. Turned me on 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.280 to so much cool music. It's got like Dinosaur Jr. 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.880