Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Well Hey everyone, h surprise, Yeah, it's me Nol here
Speaker 1: for an unscheduled appearance on a regular episode of Movie Crush. UM. Today,
Speaker 1: I have the absolute pleasure of interviewing podcaster, rerecontour, storyteller,
Speaker 1: and genuine pop star Kesha, who also happens to be
Speaker 1: a really kind and lovely thoughtful person. UM. I met
Speaker 1: Kesha while working on her podcast, Uh Kesha and the Creepies,
Speaker 1: where she talks to all times of interesting people about
Speaker 1: all kinds of interesting stuff, typically UM revolving around the
Speaker 1: paranormal and you know, spooky stuff. Uh. And the first
Speaker 1: guest you ever had on her podcast was Alice Cooper Um,
Speaker 1: who she became a huge fan of from the movie
Speaker 1: Wayne's World that we talked about today. Uh. It's very
Speaker 1: clear from talking to her that this movie holds a
Speaker 1: super special place in her heart, just like it does mine.
Speaker 1: We're pretty close to the same age and clearly both
Speaker 1: came up with this movie UM as kids, and it
Speaker 1: carried on with us throughout our adult lives. And it's
Speaker 1: something I've always kind of referred back to as for
Speaker 1: words of wisdom or very least, you know some pretty
Speaker 1: quotable quotes. Um, and Kesha seems to feel very much
Speaker 1: the same way. So sit back and relax with your
Speaker 1: your eminem and popcorn. I know that's a Chuck favorite,
Speaker 1: and uh enjoy this very special movie Crush interview with
Speaker 1: the One and Only Kesha. I was just reading up
Speaker 1: on some some Wikipedia. You know Wayne's World. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: like I just like, I've seen this movie so many times.
Speaker 1: This is like I saw this in the theater when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I didn't even rewatch it for
Speaker 1: this because I can quote it like front to back,
Speaker 1: you know, any little tidbits about the production and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. It's kind of refamiliarizing myself with Like the
Speaker 1: time in which it came out. It was three I think,
Speaker 1: and it was the highest grossing movie of that the
Speaker 1: highest grossing movie of that year, and the highest grossing
Speaker 1: UH Saturday Night Live adaptation of all time, which totally
Speaker 1: makes sense because so many of those are hit or miss,
Speaker 1: but this one obviously hit right. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: mean it changed my life. That is a big statement,
Speaker 1: Sully Buddy Comedy. You got to explain how did Wayne's
Speaker 1: World the movie change Okay, for real, it changed my
Speaker 1: life because that was the first time I saw Alice
Speaker 1: Cooper on stage and I was like, whatever that guy's doing,
Speaker 1: I want to do what that guy does and feed
Speaker 1: my Frankenstein. Yeah, and just the stage show and then
Speaker 1: he was just like lovely afterwards, and of course like
Speaker 1: it like made me in my heart. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to do that. A. I'm obsessed with Alice
Speaker 1: Cooper and since then I have now become like really
Speaker 1: close friends with him. I went out to dinner with him,
Speaker 1: like last night. His daughter is one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: We did a song together. We've been snorkeling looking at
Speaker 1: sea turtles together. But it all started. It all started
Speaker 1: with Wayn's will of course. Yeah, and he was obviously
Speaker 1: also one of the first guests on your podcast. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um that scene is iconic for so many reasons. I
Speaker 1: think he sort of plays into this idea that he's
Speaker 1: going to be this like scary, you know, horror guy,
Speaker 1: but in fact he's like, well, actually, you know, what
Speaker 1: is it the Algonquin word with Millie Wake, which means
Speaker 1: the good lad it's so good. It's just kind of
Speaker 1: how to party or what like, we're not worthy when
Speaker 1: they meet him, and of course, like every time I
Speaker 1: meet someone who I'm star struck by, I have to
Speaker 1: keep myself from doing that, and occasionally, depending on my mood,
Speaker 1: I'll just do it and just don't feel like what
Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm like, you don't know where to
Speaker 1: get it? Over with? Party with Alice Cooper? Hello, So
Speaker 1: I mean, look, that movie is just quotable on so
Speaker 1: many levels. It's up there with like, let's say The
Speaker 1: Big Lebowski. For me, that's a movie that I can
Speaker 1: just like pull quotes from attached or use them in
Speaker 1: all kinds of different situations and they just applaud um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So okay, change your life in terms of like maybe
Speaker 1: giving you a model for like an aesthetic like creatively
Speaker 1: in Alice Cooper. But what about the humor and kind
Speaker 1: of like the heart, Like what else really spoke to
Speaker 1: you about Wayne's Oh my god? I mean so I
Speaker 1: am also obsessed obviously with Wayne, but Garth like his awkwardness.
Speaker 1: I was like, I really relate to that guy, like
Speaker 1: just feeling just like total awkward guy. And then Dana
Speaker 1: was a guest on Cash and the Creepies too, so
Speaker 1: I like fully almost I've got like sixty six point
Speaker 1: six percent of the people I want on my podcast,
Speaker 1: So now I just got I gotta get Wayne, you
Speaker 1: gotta get Wayne. Well, now now they're doing those Uh
Speaker 1: I don't mean to sound negative, but those Uber Eats
Speaker 1: commercials they do together really freaked me out. They just
Speaker 1: they don't look right anymore for those characters. They they're
Speaker 1: a little too long in the tooth to be rocking
Speaker 1: those bigs. Um. But it's it's it's charming, but it
Speaker 1: still freaks me out a little bit. But I gotta ask.
Speaker 1: You're saying awkward you related to Garth. I don't see
Speaker 1: you that way. I'm sure a lot of your fans
Speaker 1: don't see you that way. You've got so much confidence
Speaker 1: in Poison. I can never really picture you being that
Speaker 1: awkward kid. But can you talk about that time in
Speaker 1: your life and why you might have related to that character.
Speaker 1: I'm not like an awkward kid, I'm an awkward adult person.
Speaker 1: Like fully, I'm so awkward. And then there's a part
Speaker 1: where he's decked out in all the different brands and
Speaker 1: he's talking about like, but what, I forget what the
Speaker 1: words are, but he's like, oh no, it's the whole
Speaker 1: sellout bit where it's I don't know why people just
Speaker 1: say I have to only do things for money. It's
Speaker 1: just sad. He's like, here, take one of these small
Speaker 1: yellow different Yes, that's what it is. And it's just
Speaker 1: so funny because when you get to be an entertainer,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden people want you to like
Speaker 1: sell a toothbrush, and I'm like, well, of course I
Speaker 1: brushed my teeth. Okay, I'll sell this toothbrush. But then
Speaker 1: part of me always thinks of that scene in Wayne's
Speaker 1: world where he's like decked and all the brands, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yep, I relate to that, and I relate
Speaker 1: to his awkwardness, just like yesterday I did a UM
Speaker 1: live stream and I just felt like it just he
Speaker 1: tried to teach me how to talk like him, but
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I just like to play. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it just like super awkward. Just I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm awkward to ship well you know what that I
Speaker 1: think it's endearing. And I honestly think that like being
Speaker 1: yourself and just owning it whatever that means, it's kind
Speaker 1: of just the only way to be. And I agree
Speaker 1: that movie kind of talk. It really is kind of
Speaker 1: about being yourself and about kind of doing your thing
Speaker 1: and not letting other people kind of like tell you
Speaker 1: who you are, you know, and maybe I'm like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think it is too. It's about like also like
Speaker 1: the lines of which I think this might also be
Speaker 1: like maybe i'm reading into it now, but I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about it, like the lines of which you're okay with
Speaker 1: and what is selling out? What isn't, like, because certain
Speaker 1: things aren't selling out, but you're dealing with a brand,
Speaker 1: and then certain things, I just feel like you're compromising
Speaker 1: your art and your craft. And watching Wayne's World when
Speaker 1: name partner with what is his Name's Noah's Arcade, that's right,
Speaker 1: and then it just all turns into this like very
Speaker 1: polished song. And I relate to that because I remember
Speaker 1: my very first tour was with Rihanna, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm like this like little kind of gutter punk kid,
Speaker 1: and I live in this house with a bunch of
Speaker 1: different people, and like it was kind of like this
Speaker 1: punk like flop house. It was just all different types
Speaker 1: of people sleeping there and it was fun and it
Speaker 1: was disgusting and it was great, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to make my life onto a stage performance
Speaker 1: in my life right now is it's not super glamorous.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things duct taped together, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to pretend to be some
Speaker 1: polished person that I'm just not. I'm just not that.
Speaker 1: So then I hired a musical director to do like
Speaker 1: walk on music for when I was going on stage,
Speaker 1: and I remember he was a lovely guy, no shade
Speaker 1: to him, but he made a walk on music that
Speaker 1: sounded just like it was like here comes Kasha cashakshakeshahaesha.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what the fuck is this? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's amazing. But that's so that's so funny
Speaker 1: because like, you know, you got your start being so
Speaker 1: you know, you do have that kind of rough aesthetic
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and you sort of like
Speaker 1: kind of came into your own before our very eyes.
Speaker 1: And then you've obviously turned made a lot of twist
Speaker 1: and turns in your career. It always felt you know,
Speaker 1: like you um and now especially I feel like you've
Speaker 1: really kind of gone on this more almost like I
Speaker 1: don't know if the word psychedelic is right, is absolutely
Speaker 1: the right word. I was hoping you would use that
Speaker 1: word good. It's it's a it's a word I probably
Speaker 1: throw around a little too much even on the show. Uh,
Speaker 1: listeners jokes sometimes that there's a drinking game for every
Speaker 1: time Noel says an aesthetic a psychedelic exactly. But but
Speaker 1: I think my point is about Wayne's world, and again
Speaker 1: I think we're like analyzing what's ultimately just kind of
Speaker 1: a silly comedy, but there is so much heart to
Speaker 1: it and it does have this message, but it's very
Speaker 1: self aware and it gets so meta at the end
Speaker 1: with like the multiple endings and kind of like these
Speaker 1: stock characters and the way it breaks all the walls,
Speaker 1: you know of kind of reality. They open a door
Speaker 1: and there's like this training sequence from like Michian going on.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I just love that about it. It's
Speaker 1: it's it is, it is psychedelic, and that it has
Speaker 1: all of these like things that couldn't possibly exist in reality,
Speaker 1: but it's also somehow grounded in reality. But then like
Speaker 1: magic and just kind of happen out of nowhere, you know,
Speaker 1: it totally is. And then yeah, the whole thing is
Speaker 1: you're just like on this ride where you don't know
Speaker 1: what's about to happen, and I love that, and the
Speaker 1: awkward humor is great, and then there is so much heart.
Speaker 1: And then when Wayne walks up to the camera when
Speaker 1: Cassandra is filming the video with the snake, He's like,
Speaker 1: and there isn't any film in this camera and he
Speaker 1: rips it open and all the film comes falling out
Speaker 1: for like an awkward amount of time. It's just like
Speaker 1: it just makes me so happy. Like that's my movie.
Speaker 1: I watch when all else fails during Quarantine. I have
Speaker 1: watched that movie. I can't even tell you, like so
Speaker 1: many times. If I'm stressed or I'm bombed or the
Speaker 1: world's falling apart, I'm like, you know what, I'm making
Speaker 1: all of the above, and there's like a narcissistic sociopath
Speaker 1: and this like I just put on Wayne's world, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, it will be okay, not because Wayne's world,
Speaker 1: Like you can understand Wayne's world, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of again probably overthinking this a bit,
Speaker 1: but it is like this universe that exists kind of
Speaker 1: like he's the narrator. He's talking directly to the camera. Um,
Speaker 1: it is literally his World, but it's also the name
Speaker 1: of the show. I recently, I have a twelve year
Speaker 1: old daughter who is basically like, might as well be Yeah,
Speaker 1: she might as well be like nineteen. It's ridiculous. She's
Speaker 1: gotten like super into like cosplay and weird anime and
Speaker 1: super bizarre humor, which is amazing. I love, you know,
Speaker 1: her sense of humor. It's really dark and weird. And
Speaker 1: there's whole swaths of her life and the kind of
Speaker 1: humor and stuff she's into that doesn't connect with me.
Speaker 1: And I'm starting to kind of feel like an old man.
Speaker 1: But I made her. I literally made her sit down
Speaker 1: and watch Wayne's World one and two back to back
Speaker 1: with you. And she wouldn't admit it, but I could
Speaker 1: tell she was glue to it because it has a
Speaker 1: similar sensibility to some of the very like Tim and
Speaker 1: Ariki that she's into um And I could tell she
Speaker 1: really loved it and she really got it, even though
Speaker 1: she would never say, whoa, dad, that was awesome. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for showing me. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was fine, but I could tell that she was
Speaker 1: mega into it and that made me feel good. You're like,
Speaker 1: I did a good thing. You like it I did
Speaker 1: a good thing. No, I think it is like very
Speaker 1: self aware is a good thing to pick up on
Speaker 1: it because I think, especially now, like it's great to
Speaker 1: be self aware. I feel like the younger generation is
Speaker 1: more self aware than at least I was. Ship. But
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good that's a really positive thing.
Speaker 1: So I think the whole movie being so self aware
Speaker 1: about how ridiculous it is makes it just so lovable.
Speaker 1: But it also has like a moral kind of compass,
Speaker 1: like a moral enter again, like we said about being
Speaker 1: yourself and like not selling out too much. She can
Speaker 1: it's not even selling out if you're just successful. You
Speaker 1: can find success and do the things that you love
Speaker 1: without having to quote unquote be a cell. I think
Speaker 1: that's the message. And stick to your artistic guns and
Speaker 1: compromise where it's okay to compromise and you feel okay
Speaker 1: about it, but then also don't if it doesn't. And
Speaker 1: I think that is something that I've carried with me
Speaker 1: throughout my entire career. I will attribute that to also
Speaker 1: to Wayne's World. And I had a reality TV show
Speaker 1: and I used to talk to the camera and I
Speaker 1: made an infinite amount of jokes about how awkward it was.
Speaker 1: But I was the only person that could talk to
Speaker 1: the camera because my brother would keep trying to talk
Speaker 1: to the camera and be like no, no, no, there's
Speaker 1: like Wayne's world. I ain't get to talk to camera,
Speaker 1: not you. So I definitely butchered some little stats up front.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and make that right. She came
Speaker 1: out in it was the tenth highest grossing movie of
Speaker 1: that year, and I was right. It does remain the
Speaker 1: single highest grossing S n L sketch based movie of
Speaker 1: all time. Um, and it was directed by Penelope Spiris.
Speaker 1: Do you know much about Penelope Spirist. I don't. I
Speaker 1: was like five. I was five when it came out,
Speaker 1: so I don't know like the details of it, like
Speaker 1: I would know like when I would look up stuff.
Speaker 1: I just know that I was like enamored. So tell
Speaker 1: me about her. Well, she's really interesting. Um, she's someone
Speaker 1: that's worth looking into, just as like a badass woman. UM,
Speaker 1: so few women directors they get their due in Hollywood period.
Speaker 1: But she was definitely like a big shot, you know director.
Speaker 1: She did a lot of comedies and stuff, but she
Speaker 1: also did these amazing documentaries. One of them was called
Speaker 1: Heavy Metal Parking Lot. Oh my god, she did Heavy
Speaker 1: Metal Parking Lot. She did. And she also did The
Speaker 1: Decline of Western Civilization uh in nineteen one, which was
Speaker 1: about like punk, and then she did The Decline of
Speaker 1: Western Civilation Part two, which was about metal and it
Speaker 1: was like all of these you know, Aussie and Kiss
Speaker 1: and Aerosmith and Megadeath and all these like Wasp. You know,
Speaker 1: there's the scene of like the Wasp guitarists like floating
Speaker 1: in a you know, pool on like a giant inflatable
Speaker 1: like duck or something like clearly smacked out and with
Speaker 1: like a bottle of vodka. So it's just like the
Speaker 1: most like you know, debauched kind of view of that
Speaker 1: world ever. Um. And she did that. She did these
Speaker 1: amazing documentaries, and then she did like a bunch of
Speaker 1: like Chris Farley movie she did like Black Sheep, Love
Speaker 1: that one. She did The Beverly Hillbillies, the Little Rascals,
Speaker 1: like clearly she was Hitto the streak of kind of
Speaker 1: like old sitcom is being made into movies. Um. But
Speaker 1: then she just was like, you know what, fuck Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and she never made another movie again. She like left,
Speaker 1: she moved, She completely disavowed everything because she was kind
Speaker 1: of almost forced out and was just treated like garbage
Speaker 1: and just was like, you know what, this isn't worth it,
Speaker 1: and so she she got out. Um, but she's just
Speaker 1: really outspoken woman. I really wish she had a podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: and it was just a super influential and I'm going
Speaker 1: to check her out now. You're super inspiring me to
Speaker 1: check her out. By the way, I messed up a
Speaker 1: Spiris did not do heavy metal parking Lot. There were
Speaker 1: very adjacent films with the Western Civilization movies, but she
Speaker 1: didn't do that one. So I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: that corrective. Sure well, and Cassandra, I love having them.
Speaker 1: I don't know, she's like kind of a hero and
Speaker 1: like stands her own and it's such a badass. I
Speaker 1: loved her character like growing up to me, I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to be I want to be like her,
Speaker 1: Like she's such a badass and she's so hot and confident,
Speaker 1: screams and covers these awesome songs, just like everything about her.
Speaker 1: I was like, she's a badass. Like she's definitely an
Speaker 1: idol of mine. Absolutely, And uh, that's kind of what
Speaker 1: obviously attracts Wayne to her because she's immediately she know
Speaker 1: she what is she like does she kicks the bouncer's
Speaker 1: ass or some guy that like kind of accidentally groups
Speaker 1: her and she does this total like badass kind of ninja,
Speaker 1: you know, sequence um. And then she's also really approachable,
Speaker 1: like she's she's she's you know, tough, and she's not
Speaker 1: gonna put up with any ship, but she's ultimately like,
Speaker 1: you know, here, come to my loft so you can
Speaker 1: you can come to my loft party or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then you know she likes him and he's kind of
Speaker 1: a nerd, Like he really isn't like a cool guy, Wayne,
Speaker 1: even like none of them are, and that's what makes
Speaker 1: them so appealing. No, not at all. I'm actually taking
Speaker 1: this a step further, which may be totally inaccurate, but
Speaker 1: this maybe at five years old where my love of
Speaker 1: nerds that are awkward was born because I like wanted
Speaker 1: to be her and like dress like her and with
Speaker 1: the lace and the red and playing the bass and
Speaker 1: it was just all really so cool and like you said,
Speaker 1: she'll take no ship, but she's really sweet and and
Speaker 1: then she just like I love, she picks a total
Speaker 1: nerd over this, like smooth talking, rich guy that's good
Speaker 1: at ordering food on the phone, right right, right, yeah, Cantonese.
Speaker 1: He like totally flexes that he I can speak Cantonese,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, oh man, that's amazing. Um. So that's the
Speaker 1: thing too with Cassandra. So that's Tia Carrera as the
Speaker 1: as the actor that plays Cassandra, and she actually does
Speaker 1: all those vocals. Um you know, is you can't fake
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, rock and roll badassory and
Speaker 1: obviously huge kind of fashion icon the way she like
Speaker 1: presents herself. And I imagine that would have spoken to
Speaker 1: you as well, Oh my god fully, Like my best
Speaker 1: friend and I saw it. I was like five and
Speaker 1: she was like seven, and we went to the thrift
Speaker 1: store and found a bunch of like lace and made
Speaker 1: like I was in a sewing school. Miss Marguerite sewing school.
Speaker 1: She's a lovely older woman who was very very conservative,
Speaker 1: and so we went into sewing school after watching Wayne's
Speaker 1: World and we're like, we're going to make a dress
Speaker 1: like this, and she was horrified and like a five
Speaker 1: year old and a seven year old are trying to
Speaker 1: make like Cassandra's dress, which is like a mega mini
Speaker 1: like pleather skirt. Yeah, And I remember my friend actually
Speaker 1: who's still my best friend, she got kicked out of
Speaker 1: sewing school because she's like, no, I am making this
Speaker 1: dress and Miss Marguerite was like, no, you're gonna look
Speaker 1: like a baby hooker. And she was like, I'm making
Speaker 1: the dress. And then of course I was like loyal friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, loyal friend knows like she can wear
Speaker 1: what she wants to. And that was the story of
Speaker 1: how I got kicked out of sewing school. It happens
Speaker 1: to the best of us, happens. Yeah, my kid is
Speaker 1: actually taking sewing classes too, and she does all this
Speaker 1: crazy like mega creative uh cosplay stuff, Like she's really
Speaker 1: into anime and she like sows these insane costumes and
Speaker 1: like does these like TikTok videos and stuff. That's great though,
Speaker 1: I think it's such a good creative outlet to sew
Speaker 1: and make clothing creative. And it's also but it's like
Speaker 1: it's weird because she's twelve and some of the stuff
Speaker 1: does push these be these boundaries a little bit. But
Speaker 1: I know what she's doing and I know what her
Speaker 1: intent is, and she just owns it. And it's like
Speaker 1: if someone says to me, like, how can you let
Speaker 1: your daughter dress like that or whatever? My answer is like,
Speaker 1: I don't let her do ship like I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a creative outlet for her and she's owning it
Speaker 1: and she does it and she just does it and
Speaker 1: it's not you know, there's just no way around it.
Speaker 1: But it's not like something and I'm concerned about her
Speaker 1: the idea of being too sexualized or any ship like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's totally a form of expression and I'm
Speaker 1: proud of her, you know, and I think it's incredible
Speaker 1: when I think at the time, this was before TikTok
Speaker 1: was a thing on Instagram, Like it was just me
Speaker 1: and my best friend walking around the house looking like
Speaker 1: baby hookers. So I'm pretty sure my mom would be
Speaker 1: like fucking anywhere in this like red very short, inappropriate thing.
Speaker 1: But like we were feeling ourselves so hard and like
Speaker 1: in the basement singing. I forgot what it was like
Speaker 1: trying to learn how to scream like Tia Carera totally
Speaker 1: oh yeah at the end of the ballroom blitz that
Speaker 1: that's still her scream is like, oh my god, she smashes.
Speaker 1: It kind of cuts you to the soul. It really
Speaker 1: like connects with you, you know, um viscertainly like in
Speaker 1: this primal way. I absolutely love her performance. Can we
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the soundtrack? Was compact disc
Speaker 1: I ever owned? I had this on CD, first one
Speaker 1: I ever bought with my own money. Turned me on
Speaker 1: to so much cool music. It's got like Dinosaur Jr.
Speaker 1: On it. It's got like a lot of amazing classic
Speaker 1: rock obviously, but it's kind of all over the place.
Speaker 1: And then obviously it put Bohemian Rhapsody on the Legiti,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I totally forgot. That's an also huge
Speaker 1: moment in my life, like talking about changed my life.
Speaker 1: That was the moment I was introduced to Queen and Forever.
Speaker 1: When I hear that song, I know, it's like it's
Speaker 1: a masterpiece. I listen to that song all the time,
Speaker 1: but I can't help but like thinking about the Mirthmobile
Speaker 1: and like if you're going to spew spew into this
Speaker 1: and then like it shaped my life in that when
Speaker 1: I would have been going to college those years instead,
Speaker 1: I came to l A and lived at this like grimy,
Speaker 1: crusty house and me and all my friends would like
Speaker 1: drive around going to shows being like rusty kids, and
Speaker 1: then we pick up the people that were too drunk
Speaker 1: to drive and throw them in the backseat. And we
Speaker 1: would always quote like, if you're gonna exbuse s you
Speaker 1: into this and the tiny, tiny, tiny paper cup, which
Speaker 1: I that's that sells the joke because this tiny little
Speaker 1: paper cup so good. But I have so many friends
Speaker 1: that have been in that condition where I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: get in the back, let's go. We're going to a
Speaker 1: show like Ballroom Blitz. That was the first time I
Speaker 1: heard Bohemian Rhapsody Alice. This first time I ever saw
Speaker 1: what Alice Cooper was, and Uma Ballroom Blitz, Bohemian Rhapsody
Speaker 1: and Alice Cooper like that to me was such a
Speaker 1: gateway drug too good music. That movie was UM. I
Speaker 1: was a big fan of dream Weaver. That's got a
Speaker 1: lot of really cool cynthy blips and bloops and stuff.
Speaker 1: And that's when he first sees Cassandra and it cut
Speaker 1: and does this cheesy, kind of like seventies halo effect
Speaker 1: around her head and then dream Weaver plays Um. But
Speaker 1: I had the soundtrack and I listened to this soundtrack
Speaker 1: on repeat, so I really got into that song like
Speaker 1: um Radar Love I believe was also in it by
Speaker 1: Golden earring Yes, and Isn't There? I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: Isn't there Foxy Lady? Because when Garth you know, is
Speaker 1: super hot for that blonde at the donuts and he
Speaker 1: finally gets his you know, courage up and he just
Speaker 1: takes it to eleven. You know. Oh, I loved it,
Speaker 1: Like it's a fantasy. I think it's a fantasy sequence.
Speaker 1: Maybe I can't remember exactly. It's my fantasy like if
Speaker 1: some man did that, I mean, any man out there
Speaker 1: and wants to woo me, all you have to do
Speaker 1: is be really awkward, stab donuts and sing Foxy Lady awkward.
Speaker 1: There's part where he like loses control of his like
Speaker 1: mid section. He's looking at it like it's sort of
Speaker 1: like got a mind of its own. That was the
Speaker 1: part of the may my daughter kind of cringe because
Speaker 1: she's she's sort of recoils it like anything like remotely
Speaker 1: sexualized or like you know, making out. Even should we
Speaker 1: like cover her eyes? It's pretty adorable, but that was
Speaker 1: She's like, what is going on? I'm like, it's funny,
Speaker 1: it's hilarious, and he's like yeah, it's just the power
Speaker 1: of Hendrix, like takes over his groin, which happens, I
Speaker 1: thank you, Hendrix compels you. It's just like he just
Speaker 1: is my hero. I think that movie is my hero.
Speaker 1: It's not even one person or one part. The whole
Speaker 1: movie is my hero. Yeah, I'm with you. Like if
Speaker 1: um wait, she were a president, she'd be Babraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1: I still I still have a friend every day on
Speaker 1: my birthday text me if you're a president, you'd be
Speaker 1: Babraham Lincoln. And it's my favorite birthday text. And if
Speaker 1: Benjamin were an ice cream flavor, he'd be Prey Leans
Speaker 1: and Dick and totally it would be quotable infinitely. What
Speaker 1: is it they're there's laying on the roof of that car,
Speaker 1: which is like I want to know where that place
Speaker 1: is by the way, like oh, I think I know
Speaker 1: where it is, but just in general, like in a
Speaker 1: city with an airport, I want to know where you
Speaker 1: can pull your car up and like lay on it
Speaker 1: and watch the planes. It sounds terrifying, but it's also
Speaker 1: just what a great device the bonding moment between them,
Speaker 1: Like there's special place they go. I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 1: in l A because I was so obsessed with that
Speaker 1: movie when I was little. Whenever we'd come to l A.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I want to go do the Wayne's
Speaker 1: World thing, And my mom would drive me to l
Speaker 1: A X and park the car and let me lay
Speaker 1: on the roof to sit under the airplanes and scare
Speaker 1: the ever living ship out of myself. And that started
Speaker 1: with Wayne's World. Like, that's why I'm telling you this
Speaker 1: movie changed my life. Like I can see that psychotically.
Speaker 1: It's also it's got so many like amazing pop culture
Speaker 1: in perences that I probably didn't I mean definitely didn't
Speaker 1: fully get at the time. But then over time, as
Speaker 1: I started taking in more stuff and more music and
Speaker 1: more references and all that, It's kept having a new
Speaker 1: life for me every time i'd watch it, or I'd
Speaker 1: get more jokes every time i'd watch it, because I've
Speaker 1: grown up with this movie as as clearly you have. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I'm like now, I'm like, I know what I'm doing tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna watch it again. It really is like
Speaker 1: a comfort or something like a warm blanket of a
Speaker 1: movie because everything ends up great ever, and you know,
Speaker 1: like nothing really bad is gonna happen to anybody. They're
Speaker 1: gonna have some struggles along the way. That of course,
Speaker 1: there's the classic like friend break up and then they
Speaker 1: get back together, and that of course is around the
Speaker 1: plane where he's swearing and saying all this horrible stuff
Speaker 1: with the planes fly, did you kiss your mother? And
Speaker 1: they which is brilliant, It's brilliant, Oh my god. And
Speaker 1: then they you know, they come back together and they
Speaker 1: unite for the cause of say, even love. And then
Speaker 1: at the very end, like you said, like it kind
Speaker 1: of has like the super weird ending, which I never
Speaker 1: saw coming and so appreciate that it wasn't just like
Speaker 1: the straightforward, feel good ending, but they give you options
Speaker 1: like who would It's like one of those books that
Speaker 1: you get to picture of your own adventurous situation. Yeah, exactly. Now,
Speaker 1: I think we're both on the same page, and probably
Speaker 1: I think we're probably close to the same age and
Speaker 1: probably experienced this like in a very similar trajectory, but
Speaker 1: obviously very different, you know, like as a dude, you know,
Speaker 1: I took a lot of different things from it than
Speaker 1: than you did, like as a young woman growing up
Speaker 1: and you know, being all about empowerment, and music and
Speaker 1: just being a badass. And I think I probably got
Speaker 1: a lot of my sense of humor from it, like
Speaker 1: a lot of kind of you know, dry kind of
Speaker 1: net a sense of humor. I necessarily would never claim to,
Speaker 1: you know, have mastered it, but it definitely started me
Speaker 1: off on the right track in terms of totally same.
Speaker 1: There was another part that I was just thinking, but
Speaker 1: it is escaping me. Wait, there was something. There's another
Speaker 1: part that's so good. I mean, the whole thing is
Speaker 1: so good. If anybody hasn't watched Wayne's World, which oh
Speaker 1: my god, would be insanity, but it's never too late
Speaker 1: to start on the right path. Go watch it is
Speaker 1: it is the right path because it really does have
Speaker 1: like wisdom heart, absolute bonkers absurdist humor, really good physical
Speaker 1: comedy to a lot of like Pratt falls. I love
Speaker 1: when they're doing the Army crawl and Garth a fella
Speaker 1: on my Keys. It's so good and so traumatic. Oh
Speaker 1: I remember when um Stacy Wayne's X yes of course
Speaker 1: on the bike, on the bike, but also giving him
Speaker 1: a gun rack and he's like, I don't know a
Speaker 1: gun let alone. Many guns facilitate an entire rack. That's
Speaker 1: prefer me though, is that he said he's very specifically
Speaker 1: says a gun a gun, let alone many guns that
Speaker 1: would facilitate an entire rack your mental you know or whatever,
Speaker 1: and that she's the one who does all the good
Speaker 1: pizzles with Lara Flynn Boyle right from Twin Peaks and
Speaker 1: she like falls through that skylight and then she's trying
Speaker 1: to like, you know, get his attention, and it's just
Speaker 1: the saddest thing. And then she's later you see her
Speaker 1: in the neck brace and they're playing street hockey in
Speaker 1: the game, you know, game on and car and she's
Speaker 1: just not paying attention and just slams into his car
Speaker 1: and just like, I'm okay, it's not even I think
Speaker 1: even that character, I was like, I've had moments where
Speaker 1: I'm like in my younger years where I've been like
Speaker 1: I know where somebody's probably gonna be, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go there and just like be around and be crazy.
Speaker 1: So like I relate to all the characters, They've all
Speaker 1: influenced me about positive and negative ways. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's something that's really neat about is there's you can
Speaker 1: see a little of Wayne and yourself. You can see
Speaker 1: a little of Garth in yourself. You can see a
Speaker 1: little of Alice Cooper in yourself, you know, you can
Speaker 1: see a little of Mr Big or something in your life.
Speaker 1: That there's all these kind of stock characters. It's really
Speaker 1: easy to connect to and relate to. And I just
Speaker 1: think it's a really special movie. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: is there anything else that really stuck with you about
Speaker 1: it or anything that we haven't talked about. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just been a pleasure talking to you about this movie.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I will say, like Cassandra and
Speaker 1: her band shooting that video, I've always wanted to make
Speaker 1: a video that's like an homage to that with the
Speaker 1: snake and like Tarzan on the drums with the waterfall
Speaker 1: cloths in the waterfall. Yeah, and then she's like the
Speaker 1: snake is what is it? Like? How did they say?
Speaker 1: Is that you or the snake or something like that.
Speaker 1: Then that's the moment where she's like, when ya come
Speaker 1: out of here? You know, that's when she finally because
Speaker 1: you worry about Cassandra too. You worry she's drinking the
Speaker 1: kool aid and that she's turning to the dark side
Speaker 1: or something or that she's buying into Benjamin's bullshit, and
Speaker 1: you know she sort of is, but that's the point
Speaker 1: that stuff can be alluring, and then you you know,
Speaker 1: she kind of gets gets gets it back and sees
Speaker 1: what's really going on and then gets her record deal
Speaker 1: on her own terms. Wayne's help, you know. And I
Speaker 1: love that part where it's just like, you don't need
Speaker 1: this slimy man being like questionable to do what you
Speaker 1: need to do. And I think not to get all
Speaker 1: like feminists on you, but I wish more women knew that, like,
Speaker 1: you don't have to depend on some guy telling you
Speaker 1: that you're great to know that you are great, because
Speaker 1: men don't necessarily need another man telling them that they're
Speaker 1: great to have that confidence. But it's just part of
Speaker 1: society that you almost feel like you need this reassurance
Speaker 1: from a man that quote unquote knows what they're doing
Speaker 1: and you don't. You can ride on your talent alone.
Speaker 1: And I think that's such an important message, is to
Speaker 1: believe in yourself like whatever gender you are, but just
Speaker 1: having that self confidence and not being willing to compromise
Speaker 1: your integrity and potentially work with people that are slimy
Speaker 1: and creep you out like you're a talent right on
Speaker 1: that and have confidence in it, and she does and
Speaker 1: everything works out great. Not to spoil the ending, but
Speaker 1: hopefully everyone's listening to the Statute of limitations on spoiling
Speaker 1: wings world probably spoil well. I do want to say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, with again with my daughter, like I see
Speaker 1: at in her and it's just like it's I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously nothing's perfect and things aren't like you know,
Speaker 1: completely we're living in some sort of post gender world
Speaker 1: where that stuff doesn't matter, like post racism or all
Speaker 1: that ship that's all these kind of imaginary terms. But
Speaker 1: I do see my kid just knowing who she is
Speaker 1: at a way earlier than I ever possibly could have,
Speaker 1: not to mention that she's, you know, a young woman
Speaker 1: and there's so much more pressure and it's a whole
Speaker 1: another thing. But like at twelve, I didn't know shit
Speaker 1: about who I was or what I was going to
Speaker 1: be or what I liked even and she just owns
Speaker 1: it so hardcore. And I'm just kind of speaking in
Speaker 1: general to like, you know, this the genera of this
Speaker 1: generation we're talking about. I think there's hope and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I really do, and the fact that she gets Wayne's
Speaker 1: world makes me have even more hope. Yes, me too.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's going to be the first movie
Speaker 1: I watched my yet to be determined if I have
Speaker 1: a child. But if I have one, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to play Wayne's worldly in the background how they sleep,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna watch it on repeat while I'm pregnant.
Speaker 1: Feminist strength but like softness, and it's just like, it's
Speaker 1: just so interesting. I love Cassandra as like her character
Speaker 1: in that movie is just so epic, like really like
Speaker 1: such a good role model. Mm hmm, no, completely agree. Um.
Speaker 1: Some pretty notable fun cameos in this there's Bill Murray's
Speaker 1: brother plays Noah vander Hoff Brian Doyle Murray. Don't really
Speaker 1: think about him much, but he is Bill Murray's brother.
Speaker 1: Which one was he? I didn't, I didn't know. He's
Speaker 1: Noah's arcade Noah vander Hoff. That is yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you can see it in his face. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're definitely. He's the older brother of Bill Murray.
Speaker 1: He was also in Caddyshack and Scrooge and Ghostbuster two
Speaker 1: and Groundhog Day and and a lot of those. Harold
Speaker 1: Ramos movies that they did together. I know the actor,
Speaker 1: but I had no idea. Yep. It's when you look
Speaker 1: at him you can kind of see it. Like we said,
Speaker 1: Lara flam Boyle Amazing as the you know, psycho Hose
Speaker 1: Beast ex girlfriend. We've got meat Loaf as the bouncer
Speaker 1: at the gas works where he's like, who's playing the
Speaker 1: nights like so and so so and so in the
Speaker 1: shitty beatles, like how are they like they suck? Not
Speaker 1: just a clever name, No, not just a clever name exactly. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we do have obviously Alice Cooper playing himself,
Speaker 1: but all the people in his band, you know who
Speaker 1: are asking these questions like he's some sort of professor.
Speaker 1: Also the real members of his band, Pete Freezing, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's the one he addresses by name, well Pete you
Speaker 1: know talking about Milwaukee. Uh, Derek Sharon Shrinian, Steph Burns
Speaker 1: and Jimmy DeGrasso and they actually are playing on stage
Speaker 1: and they do that song that was such a big
Speaker 1: deal for you and and meets you. I mean I
Speaker 1: just was like, what is this weird? His name is
Speaker 1: Alice and he's a dude. Yeah, that's crazy, you know
Speaker 1: it just like it reminds me of when I first
Speaker 1: encountered Iggy Pop was in the amazing show The Adventures
Speaker 1: of Pete and Pete. Oh my god, really, that's so
Speaker 1: funny played none of the character's dad, and I remember
Speaker 1: seeing his name in the credits and being like, what
Speaker 1: kind of a name is this for a human person?
Speaker 1: And I didn't, you know, my parents were both opera singers,
Speaker 1: so I kind of found popular music on my own
Speaker 1: over time. They didn't really like turn me onto records
Speaker 1: like most people. I mean, they turned me onto like
Speaker 1: classical music and stuff, and I played violin from early
Speaker 1: early age, but I didn't find you know, quote unquote
Speaker 1: cool music until you know, I was later in my teens. Um.
Speaker 1: But this soundtrack definitely started branching me off into some
Speaker 1: interesting stuff. And then you know, Alice Cooper and glam
Speaker 1: rock and then getting into like t Rex and Bowie
Speaker 1: of course and all of that. Oh, you're speaking my
Speaker 1: language right now. I'm staring at a picture with me
Speaker 1: and Iggy Pop because we did a song together a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and it's in my studio, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, best, my god, he's he's I pray sometimes
Speaker 1: to Iggy and Dolly and Alice, and then if I
Speaker 1: if I need to, I'll just like I'll text Alice
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, I'm having He has just given
Speaker 1: me so much good life advice. And he was the
Speaker 1: first successful, like mega successful person that gave me the
Speaker 1: time of day and wanted to write with me. And
Speaker 1: it was just like so crazy, and I felt like
Speaker 1: being like I'm not worthy. Like fully the whole time
Speaker 1: I was living that fantasy of like I'm so not worthy.
Speaker 1: And now we're good friends and I'm so lucky to
Speaker 1: be friends with him because he's such a genuinely amazing person.
Speaker 1: And I love when that that nice. Wasn't that nice
Speaker 1: when it works out? Like I mean, not not blown
Speaker 1: smoke at all the storm, but like I very much
Speaker 1: feel that way about you. You are very you know,
Speaker 1: very down to our, very kind, thoughtful person. And it's
Speaker 1: I work with a lot of you know, celebrity types whatever,
Speaker 1: terrible term, but it is what it is. And some
Speaker 1: of them are not great people or they're just so
Speaker 1: you know, up their own kind of like drinking their
Speaker 1: own cool a that they're just like it's a it's
Speaker 1: a chore but every time we've had an interaction, it's
Speaker 1: always been just like a human, lovely conversation, and this
Speaker 1: has been the best agree And I love that you
Speaker 1: love Wayn's will, and they love that your daughter secretly
Speaker 1: loves it too, because I do think it is there's
Speaker 1: so many undertones of like believe in yourself and being
Speaker 1: a feminist, standing up for yourself, not taking ship, but
Speaker 1: still being kind and having a sense of humor. There's
Speaker 1: just so much in it to take away if you
Speaker 1: really want to analyze it, which we've done, or surface level.
Speaker 1: You get and watch it and it's fun. It's just
Speaker 1: it's um Kesha. Tell us a little bit about your podcast,
Speaker 1: Kesha and the Creepies, and who are some exciting guests
Speaker 1: you've got coming up and where people and find it
Speaker 1: um so most recently I'm super excited. But anywhere you
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts you can catch Cash in the Creepies
Speaker 1: and it's me talking to interesting people about alternative thought,
Speaker 1: about anything supernatural, about the unexplainable, spiritual, pretty much whatever
Speaker 1: the guest wants to talk about. I've talked to Demi
Speaker 1: Levado about UFOs. I've talked to Alice Cooper I've talked
Speaker 1: to Dana Carvey. That one wasn't really creepy. He was
Speaker 1: trying to teach me how to do voices, but it
Speaker 1: was wildly entertaining for me at least. I was like
Speaker 1: living out my five year old fantasy of him trying
Speaker 1: to teach me how to talk like um Garth, which
Speaker 1: I've failed at miserably. But if you want to, if
Speaker 1: you want to see that, it's pretty embarrassing and that
Speaker 1: is um up for a public consumption. So kesh in
Speaker 1: the creepies. You can get on the I Heart app,
Speaker 1: on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. But
Speaker 1: it's been my new passion project, like it really has been.
Speaker 1: So I'm super grateful that you saw the potential and
Speaker 1: knowing that I could blabber about interesting ship to interesting
Speaker 1: people and giving me the opportunity. So I always appreciate
Speaker 1: the opportunity that you've given me because it's really been
Speaker 1: a mind expanding experience. It's been really fun, it's been
Speaker 1: really weird, it's been really creepy, it's been like very scientific,
Speaker 1: and it's also been really spiritually enlightening and just like
Speaker 1: it's all the good stuff, you know, like especially during
Speaker 1: this time when there's so little to be certain about,
Speaker 1: like hopefully we're coming out of this time, yeah, And
Speaker 1: just talking to people about how they're coping and what
Speaker 1: they believe in and what weird experiences they've had, and
Speaker 1: it's just been it's been the best. I really think
Speaker 1: it's saved my quarantine and then to be able to
Speaker 1: put it out for public consumption has been really fun
Speaker 1: because maybe if someone's feeling a little bit like they're
Speaker 1: having an existential crisis, which is my um specialty, they
Speaker 1: can join me. And like listening to people talk about
Speaker 1: their own versions of connecting with the supernatural or DEMI
Speaker 1: was talking about connecting with UFOs or extraterrestrials, or Gabby
Speaker 1: Bernstein talking about really just manifesting the best life for
Speaker 1: you and how to just kind of become spiritually sound
Speaker 1: and upcoming. I'm really excited. I talked to Phoebe Bridgers,
Speaker 1: who I'm such a fan of, and that conversation was
Speaker 1: so nice and like you were saying, like it was
Speaker 1: just like a fucking cool conversation with a really really
Speaker 1: cool person that I respect a lot. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: for people to hear that and Um, I've I have
Speaker 1: a bunch coming up, but the one that I most
Speaker 1: recently did was Phoebe Bridgers, and that was really cool
Speaker 1: because I knew that one was coming and I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of a fan of her music, but also just
Speaker 1: like her vibe. She's just such a like chill, lovely,
Speaker 1: very funny, very self um possessed kind of person. She
Speaker 1: has her thing and she's like a Cassandra, you know,
Speaker 1: like when she smashed that guitar on SNL and just
Speaker 1: had this like they've got the Internet going totally nuts,
Speaker 1: like she's an incredible human person. It would seem and up,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, And you know what's weird tying
Speaker 1: it all back to Wayne's World because everything always does.
Speaker 1: On my first tour because of Wayne's World, I made
Speaker 1: a bedazzled skeleton outfit and then Phoebe Bridgers performs in
Speaker 1: a skeleton outfit. So it's just like it all's such
Speaker 1: full circle to Alice and to Wayne's World. We're not worthy. Indeed,
Speaker 1: this has been an absolute pleasure, as always is. Um,
Speaker 1: thanks for hanging out with me on movie crush. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, anytime. This is great. I can talk about
Speaker 1: movies all day especially Wayne's World Party, Oh My God
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