WEBVTT - Part One: P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:03.760 Also media. 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:10.040 Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcasts being 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:14.640 recorded on a shockingly good week. We've all been in 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:19.479 a real downswing since the election, but some great news lately. 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.040 A thing happened that we probably shouldn't joke about, but 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.759 you know what it is. Bashar al Assad fled Syria. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:31.600 Nick Fuintes got arrested, and our guest today is one 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.040 of my favorite people, someone that the audience has not 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.000 met before, but someone who has been a friend of 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.560 mine for like fifteen years. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:42.840 Human I have told some stories about this great human stuff, 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:50.120 a great human my humanitarian friend Greasy Will Greasy with 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:54.040 a Z Grammy Award winning. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.720 Audio engineer and proof that you can accomplish great things 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:00.960 with of a brain. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.360 For the album we won that Grammy before the album 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.720 Michael by Killer Mike. My audience will also know you 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:11.960 as the other person in that story where I had 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.880 a light bulb fight in Santa Monica. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:18.760 Oh man, amazing times. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:19.120 Good. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.039 You and I had some adventures and you know what's 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.600 cool is like, I mean, you know, I'm gonna have 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.280 my best etiquette today because I am a Behind the 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.160 Bastards fan, Because you know, I listened to this show 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.040 because it's like hanging out with my friends still. You know, 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.800 It's like it's like every day that we've ever been together. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.399 It's like like Robert gets im like, hey man, you guys, 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.800 you guys ever heard that story about the Egyptian guy? 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.440 No, tell me more, tell. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.520 Me more about this fucked up dude. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.960 And we had a lot of conversations about when we 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.400 were going to introduce you to the behind the Bastard's audience. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.720 And I have made a request for three separate topics, 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.160 and I have never told people those three topics that 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.440 I have requested Robert to write about, but one of 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:08.040 them is today, and I desperately wanted you on these episodes. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.040 So I'm very, very excited about this. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:16.200 As a representative of the hip hop and it's appropriate 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.560 that we are gathered here today to talk about p Diddy. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:25.760 Oh my god, John Buffy Coles. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.640 It has been an amazing opportunity to be here for 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.280 this because you know, there's a certain thing and I'm 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.240 gonna try and be careful today because like there's when 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.320 you're in the industry as deep as I am fifteen 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.600 years into doing this, it is it's damn near impossible 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:45.120 to miss the rumors, right, It's like and I actually 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:50.840 had a huge viral like TikTok right at the beginning 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.880 of all this when the first lawsuit dropped, when the 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.119 Cassie lawsuit dropped, I had a viral TikTok that got 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.000 like ten million views because I was like, immediately, I 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.960 was like, uh, did he's go down, dude, Because there's 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.840 certain people in the industry You've heard so many things 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.840 about for so long that when that thing comes out 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.959 and like the first damn breaks, that first little the 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:13.440 Dutch boy pulls. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.280 His finger out or whatever, yeah, you know, it is going. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.280 To start uncovering ridiculous things. And I even said at 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.560 the moment, I was like, if the tabloids are starting 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.720 to run with this stuff, it is only a matter 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.959 of time before the Feds get involved. Like the Feds 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.480 don't like looking stupid, they don't like looking bad like that. 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:36.040 And when somebody is sex trafficking across countries. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.480 I'm not laughing at the sex trafficking. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.160 He got caught, yes, yeah. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.040 Yeah, you know, it's like you you gotta know, it's 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.760 like this was coming, it was going to happen, and 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.360 when it opened up when the dam opened up, it was. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:53.520 Like, oh, let's see what happens. Let's see yeah. Yeah. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.440 At one point Robert was like, he had new baby goats. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:57.480 What kind of goats were they? 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.800 That is the story that opens this podcast. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.680 because you started by being like in the industry, I've 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.360 been hearing fucking rumors about p Diddy for years, well, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.240 roughly a year ago. My goat had little baby goats, 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.920 and one of them was a hybrid Nigerian Angora mix 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.240 with the softest hair I've ever felt on an animalst 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.640 It's not a chinchill, a beautiful animal. Previously, I had 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.359 gone with the rubric of naming my livestock after famous 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.800 historic dictators because it amused me to have to, for example, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.640 cut the shit out of Joseph Brodes Tito's astread blocks, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:33.080 like that's just kind of funny, right, But this particular 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.120 goat was really cute, so I decided I wanted to 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.520 give him a mirthful name, and I told Sophie, my producer, 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:38.840 I'm not call him P Diddy. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:39.360 Now. 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.760 Let me say here. I'm not a pop culture guy. 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.240 I didn't know anything other than like P Diddy was 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.240 like a rapper, I actually didn't realize how into gangster 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.240 rap he was because again, not super aware of all 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.039 this stuff. I was just like, oh, he's like a 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:53.720 Snoop Dogg type big ues. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.279 His image has never particularly been gangster rap, like not, 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:58.000 I mean. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.400 Since he was having people killed. 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:05.280 Yeah, yeah, he definitely took more mogul. Yes, absolutely, that 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:06.560 is a great way to say it is like he 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.080 was he was. He was the guy who has companies, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.359 the alcohol so rock, He's got you know, he's got this, 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.920 he's got shoes, he's got clothing, he's got all this stuff. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.480 Like he definitely shifted like ice Cube did to Disney movies. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.200 Like it was like that immediate, like oh man, you 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.359 can get away with not accusing ice Cube of anything, 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.680 but you can get away with so much more if 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.640 you look a different way than the guy who's like 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.599 involved in multiple deaths and. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:30.440 Shoes you know. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.159 Yeah and yeah, so so like that was I was like, 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:34.520 I was just named p Ditty. 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:35.599 That's a fun name, right. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.600 Uh. Anyway, Sophie did her job, which is to dive 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.680 in front of bullets for her host as a producer, 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.960 and yeah and and said, no, you cannot name your 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.640 goat after Diddy because he's a monster, and I was like, oh, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.440 and I looked dead to him and there wasn't a 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.920 ton out at the time, and then he righted by 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.280 the FBI a few months later. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:00.720 It took a minute. It was gonna take them in. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.520 It did not take It was a well known secret. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.880 Most of my entire life living in Los Angeles. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.479 I had missed it. Yeah, everybody, everybody. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.960 If you're like in a certain like kind of scene 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.360 around the world, in like the in the industry in 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.919 LA it's like you will always hear that, like some 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.719 old like you know, it's like the caterers. It's the 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.640 people that are like the service workers of the of 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.880 the world, you know, the engineers, the white dude in 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.520 a room full of rappers sitting at the desk that's like, 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.520 oh shit, Like really, they just say this out loud, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.000 and it's like sometimes it's secondhand sometimes, but it's like 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.560 you'll hear these things and it will be like some 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.200 older like Grizzly dude that's like, yeah, man, don't ever 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.279 don't ever work for Kanye man. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:49.080 You know, or or famously, don't go to a Didty party. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.279 Don't don't go to a Ditty Party, Don't hang Out 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:53.000 with Diddy. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.960 I had even watched earlier this year that movie Blink 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.080 twice and I was like, oh, this is kind of interesting, 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.279 you know, and then I realize I find out they're like, oh, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.480 it's supposed to be about Ditty, Like this was a 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.200 veiled way of talking about this guy. So if you 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.120 are like me, or if you're someone who knows more 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.280 about Ditty, you know, the question is how did all 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.440 this like, how did this guy get to where he 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.640 is and get to do what he did for so 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.640 long without having a downfall? And we are going to 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.760 answer that question and more this week on Behind the Bastards, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.000 a podcast about people I almost named goats after. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:32.920 And we're back. So. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:37.680 Sean John Combs, which is kind of Sean John, which 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.960 is the name of the clothing brand he's going to 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.680 make later, was born on November fourth, nineteen sixty nine, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.160 in Harlem, New York. He was the son of Janis Combs, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.160 a former model who worked as a teacher's assistant most 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:54.280 of his childhood. His father, Melvin Earl Combs, had served 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.200 in the Air Force, but later in life became a 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.240 drug dealer. He also he worked for a guy named 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.200 Frank Lucas. Does the name Frank Lucas mean anything to y'all? 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:04.880 No, he is. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.200 If you've seen American Gangster, that's the guy Denzel plays 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:14.040 American Gangster. Sean's dad works for a very serious gangsters 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:18.440 like played by Denzel. Serious, right, it's as a side. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.240 If your goal is to make a movie about like 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.360 crime is bad, don't have Denzel play. That's just gonna 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.920 make me want to be a gangster. Everyone wants to 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.880 Aaron Taylor Johnson of situation. You know, you gotta get like, 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.440 you know, the right kind of feel for people. 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.280 Yeah, Denzel is so handsome. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.920 Where do they do it? It was like the Gladiator 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.600 to movie. Really wouldn't like it would have been a 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.160 totally different time. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:42.440 Yeah. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:47.920 I was like, he is a good guy. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.880 I'm supposed to like this guy? Is he bad? I'm 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:51.600 so confused. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:56.040 Man, it's Denzel. He's wearing purple. What's not to like? 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:57.679 He looked regal as fuck. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.840 I was just like, oh, man, I just he should 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:00.720 be the emperor. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.240 Yeah, yeah, he seems fair. Yeah. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:08.240 So Tragically, Melvin Colmes was never played by Denzel in 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.319 a movie. Instead, he was assassinated, shot dead in his 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.160 car in Central Park when he was thirty three years old. 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.120 Shaw. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is uh Diddy's dad. That 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:19.000 is a young one. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.640 Yes, yes, Sean is two years old at the time, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.600 so he never really knows his father. As a little boy, 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.000 his dad's death served as a constant reminder of the 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.800 consequences of crime as a lifestyle, or at least that's 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.040 what he would say. I don't know how true that is, 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.480 because again, very involved in crimes, you know, seems. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.760 More like it was like a lesson on, like, don't 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.440 be the guy in the car getting smoked at thirty three, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:41.959 you know. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.240 Be the guy who Denzel winds up playing right. Yeah yeah, 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:46.600 at the couple levels. 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.920 You know you got you got some more wiggle room 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.280 up there, uh huh yeah. Don't be a private, be 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:52.480 a general. Yeah. Yes. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.960 So his mom moved the family out of Harlem not 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.800 long after Melvin's death, taking them to Mount Vernon, a 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.280 suburb of in Chester County. Now, as an adult, going 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.240 by the name P Diddy, Sean would make a lot 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.600 of statements about the poverty he was raised in, because 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.280 if you are coming up in hip hop in the 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.400 way he did, you want to like act like you 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.040 came from a really hard back. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.640 Sure, I mean this is we will probably talk about this, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.920 I'm sure eventually at some point, but like this is 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.160 the Tupac thing, Like he went to he went to 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:20.840 like a performing arts school. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:21.680 Like he didn't grow up. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.720 I mean, his mom was a revolutionary you know, activist 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.480 or whatever. But he came up in a pretty decent 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.959 kind of lifestyle and it wasn't until he got into 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.160 that East Coast West Coast beef that he gangstered up hard. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:33.680 Yeah. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.800 Yeah, Whereas I mean, we're going to talk about Biggie. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.320 Biggie does come from like a rough background, like. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.280 Making record deals. Yeah. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.400 Now, And obviously Sean is massively exaggerating how rough his 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.640 background was. I don't want to minimize like his dad 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.320 getting shot when he's two. But his mom is like 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.079 Tupac's mom, one of these people who works incredibly hard 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.000 and is very responsible. She gives her kid a good 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.400 degree at kids a lot of stability. And Sean goes 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.480 to a prestigious private school, Mount Saint Michael. It's a 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.200 Catholic school. His family is very Catholic. He wears a uniform, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.280 he plays football. His mom describes him in interviews as 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.080 having been an entrepreneur from a young age, starting his 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.480 own paper and not in the way that you often 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:18.520 mean that a hip out he starts. He starts a 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:23.200 paper route as a kid, right, like, in order to 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:23.720 make money. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:24.480 She told the New. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.800 Yorker we had a Cadillac car and a house and 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.080 he liked life like that. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:28.720 Right. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.760 So yeah, the actual quote that he was an entrepreneur 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.480 at an early age, that was a direct quote. Yeah, 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.360 there will be a Connor Roy was interested in politics 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:41.120 at a young age. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.440 There will be a lot of other stories like that. 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.800 It's again, I mean this has been brought up many 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.440 times on the show You Kids Show. Kids show too 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.760 much aptitude for something at a young age. You got 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:52.520 to worry about. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.720 It when your kid says he wants to be a CEO. Look, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.560 I'm not saying you should do this legally, but maybe 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.400 get him into drugs, you know, slum down a little bit, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:02.400 slum down a little bit. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.640 Look, I got two kids, now, you know it's not 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.079 you don't just give them drugs. 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.680 You leave them around him on the street. They'll figure 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:09.920 it out. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:10.280 Yeah. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.960 Yeah, put him outside and don't watch him enough. Like 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.600 my parents did. Yeah, yeah, that's and we all turned 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:19.120 out great. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.079 Your children could also be having light bulb fights in 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:28.040 the streets of Santa Monica and winning a Grammy and 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.520 winning Grammys. So one story Diddy likes to tell is 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.080 of the time his aunt baby sat him at her home, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.520 which was in a public housing project called the Patterson 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.040 Houses in the Bronx. Again, his mom gets out to 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.600 the suburbs they own a home. Other members of his 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.360 family obviously are a lot less comfortable, and the story 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.240 he tells us that he wakes up sometimes he'll say, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.800 I woke up with fifteen cockroaches on my face, which 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.760 you didn't count the cockroach as nobody would in that situation. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.199 You can feel it. 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.120 You can feel a dozen cockroaches, but you can't count 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.240 them as fast exact number. Man. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.720 And in other recitations he's less specific. I'm not saying 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.600 this didn't happen. I think it probably did, just knowing 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:05.720 the other stuff about his life. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.719 But he also lived in decent places where yeah, cocker. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.440 I too have woken up with some croaches on my face. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.400 This apparently inspired him to seek wealth and success. Quote 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.760 and this is from him years later. I was like no, 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.800 I'm not going to do that. I'm gonna get out 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.440 of here. I'm gonna be somebody. I'm gonna own something 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.640 and be able to take care of my family. I 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.319 don't want to live in these conditions no more. And again, 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.120 you know I'm not maybe something like this happened. He 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.559 also does bring it up exactly the way you would 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.760 if you're trying to like throw out in interviews, scenes 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.200 that people will put in a biopic about you, right. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.400 Right, Yeah, for sure, that one SoundBite that grabs you 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.640 at the perfect time and they're like, yeah, man, like 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:48.040 that's it. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.000 You're never gonna be anything. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:51.720 You never make it. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.959 Kid, You're gonna go down just like your father. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.320 Dead in the back of the car now. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.720 Diddy would later claimed that the memory of this herowing 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.560 event inspired him whenever he made a change in his career. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.600 It was something that just kind of snaps on, you 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.560 don't take less in life and fight back those roaches. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.640 Still to this day, whenever I get comfortable, I just 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.560 remember them. I remember living in a situation where babies 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.800 weren't changed for two or three days, and everything smells 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.840 and there's no food. The memory is the thing that 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.800 really fuels me to make sure that one day none 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.320 of us have to live like that? And did he 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:25.000 didn't do anything to make sure none of us had 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.080 to live like that? And you didn't live like that, right. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:33.080 Yeah, yeah, sure he didn't. Yeah, I major you didn't 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.920 have to live that way. But yeah, fair enough. But 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:37.680 that's it. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.480 I mean, like that is often, you know, whether true 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.120 or not, you know, I like there's definitely probably essences 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.400 of that, you know, like of being true because like 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.840 you know, like that is the story of a lot 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.960 of people in America right now. It's like going through 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.360 some really tough times and like seeing her trying to 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.800 like get there, and like that is often the story, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.760 especially when it comes to successful people. Right The music 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.960 and like hey man, I come up hard used to 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.800 be anyways. It's more nepo babies these days. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.600 It doesn't even was. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.000 The great equalizer, you know. It's like you could be 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.240 poor and from nowhere and become the biggest in the world. 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:13.680 That's that's what music used to be. 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.800 So yeah, and it's I mean, like everything it becomes 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.800 more oligarchic as it fucking ages and gets sclerotic, but 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.080 like it's also not weird. You know, I can say 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.000 I didn't. I wouldn't say I had a hard upbringing. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.520 My parents were like poor when I was a little kid. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.160 Financial stress is like a lot of my earliest memories. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.000 And that's definitely part of why I have gone after 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.320 money as an adult, right is because like I didn't 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.480 want to have screaming fights in front of my partner 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.600 about the fact that we couldn't afford rinter whatever. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:39.840 You know. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.120 That's that's absolutely like a lot of people have had 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:44.880 that experience. A lot of people deal with that now. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.600 It sucks ass, Like, so I don't doubt that some 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.440 version of this is true, right, that he encountered a 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.440 lot of poverty around his family and was like, well 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.680 fuck that shit, right yeah. And I do think it's 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:01.640 interesting that, like his connections with financial despert are not direct, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.480 they're family members, right, So he always there's always this 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.920 sense of like, I'm separate too from this, from the hardship, right, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.920 Like it's not direct to me, which is interesting. Now, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.440 it's worth noting that Diddy, as an adult told lots 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.520 of inspirational stories about moments from his childhood that inspired 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.880 him to later greatness, and maybe all of these are bullshit. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.600 But you know, let's hear him out. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.080 That's definitely a market he has, is like the inspirational 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.720 climbed out of this like even in his verses. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.600 Yeah, but that's not Also that's not exclusive to him. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.440 That's a lot of rap as well, you know, Like 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.000 so you know it is it kind of goes hand 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:36.640 in hand. It's a it's a bit of that like 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.600 that that tale of like rising up out of the 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.000 worst situations that makes like so many people respect to 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.800 understand you as a as a rapper. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.560 So and I'll even say that's not you know, that's 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.520 a thing that rap gets from the same source that 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.920 a lot of others because you see that in evangelical 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.520 Christianity the whole Like I was, you know, down and 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.040 out load look high rising and low slide, popping reds 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.880 and busting heads, kicking in doors and banging whores, and 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.160 then I met Jesus. You know that's sort of fucking 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.920 deal a lot. But it's this thing everybody gets from, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.560 like you know, power of positive thinking, like hustle culture 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.520 where it's like okay, you got to have like the 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.160 down and out story, and then I had my realization 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.200 and like you can do it too. It works for everything. 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:20.520 It's not just immiliating. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.439 Yeah, and just to tag onto that, I literally was 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.000 just making fun of NEPO babies because it was like, so, 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.000 it's like the opposite is literally when it comes to 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.320 most of creative culture, to be considered the worst you 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.320 can be, to have privilege in everything that's considered like 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.120 the worst because it's like WHOA, well, you you don't 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.719 have to learn guitar on a guitar that only had 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.919 three strings and like you know, was given to you 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.880 by blind Willy down on the corner who definitely had 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.160 tuberculosis and leftist early type shit. 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:47.439 You know. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.840 Yeah, yeah, that's just that's just the way you like 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.320 frame things if you want Americans to to if you 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.879 want to be a fucking mogul. Anyway, here's a quote 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.720 from something that he said later in a c in 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.960 an article. One day when he was a child, he 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.960 he asked his mother for a new pair of sneakers, 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.119 but she couldn't afford them. He recalled into twenty sixteen 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.720 CNN interview that his mother almost began to cry upon 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.359 hearing his request. That day, he said, my hustle was born, 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.320 and he's got a lot of that day. My hustle was, Yeah, 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.040 that was the one day. His mom being like, we 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.760 had a Cadillac. Maybe she's exaggerating because she doesn't want 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.320 to admit that things were harder than they were, But 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:23.719 I kind of think it might just be more than. 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.840 He wanted expensive sneakers and his mom wasn't like, no, 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.280 we don't have the money. His mom was like, no, 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.080 you don't need those sneakers. Yeah, I'm not going to 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:31.920 send two hundred dollars on fucking sneakers for you. 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:32.600 Like it wasn't. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.159 It wasn't my mom being like, we could go to 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.200 Goodwill and find you a dice nice pair that you'll 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.760 grow into type thing. It was like, it was like, oh, 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.520 you want three hundred dollars nikes like hard, yeah, hard 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:43.119 pass you know. 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:44.040 Yeah, it's less. 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.840 It's a lot less inspirational to be like my store, 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:48.640 which is like I wanted a computer that could play 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.280 StarCraft and my mom said, no, you don't need that. Well, yeah, 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:53.920 I want to be able to buy my own computers 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.000 when I grow up, right, Like, that's not an inspirational story. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.960 That's not like, yeah, nobody's gonna put in the biopic 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.879 you know, the music swells and you get a fucking razor. 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.439 So yeah, one thing that we can definitely mark as 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.760 a turning point in his life was a football injury 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.280 that he acquired while playing for Mount Saint Michael Academy. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.960 He will always say I was gonna be in the NFL. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.960 I was good enough to be in the NFL. He'll 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.280 kind of insinuate he was being scouted by the NFL. 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.000 I don't know that he was. 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.320 I'm not entirely sure, but I'm pretty sure. He's like 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.320 five nine or something, right, He's like, he's not a 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:28.880 big guy. 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:30.960 He's not a big guy, but there's there's positions for 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:31.760 shorter guys. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:32.679 Sure, for sure. 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.520 Just to say, for the record, the amount of men 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:39.280 that I've told me I was going I was going 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.480 to be an insert professional sporting league here. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.600 Yeah, you're like, sir. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:45.399 Yeah, for sure. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.199 When I was in the Marines, there used to be 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.960 a joke about, you know, everybody was gonna go to 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.600 a great college. They had a full ride to go 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:55.639 to a great college, and they were all varsity whatever, 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.680 and they were gonna One of the dudes in my platoon. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:19:59.040 It was so funny. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.399 He started off saying he was gonna be he was 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.480 scouted to be the quarterback at USC and when everybody 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.359 was like, dude, you were not scouted to be the quarterback. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.920 That's a prestigious position. We could have we would have 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.639 seen that. You would have been like in the news 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.480 and shit like that's a big deal. And he was like, 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.480 I didn't say quarterback. I said cornerback. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.200 It was like that was that was his way out 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:22.160 of it, man, cornerback. Yeah, one dude. 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:23.960 I remember he used to he had like one of 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:25.840 his pecks was bigger than the other, and he said, yeah, man, 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.239 I was I was gonna play quarterback, and and my 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.720 coach always had me benching one side only, you know, 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:32.880 And that's why I. 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.520 Was like, what, no way would do that? No one. 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.800 So I kind of got every guy in the entire world, 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.520 if they played sports for like five seconds, has like. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.760 A oh it's almost you know, story could have been great. 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.480 Then I broke my leg. I ran for twelve touchdowns. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.040 If you've ever done that to me? 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.679 Just no, I was like, bullshit, Yeah, there's a certain 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.760 inner bullshit detector. I feel like you definitely have, like 0:20:57.800 --> 0:20:59.920 you kind of like it's like the Sophie I roll 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.280 where it's just like huh yeah, like just yeah yeah, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.000 that right there, the smirk and the. 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.320 Uh huh yeah. Sure yeah. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.360 It's a crucial life skill to develop. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.440 Sure you've won a Grammy. I bet you have. That's 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:17.600 why you keep it directly behind you. Man. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.320 Now, I will say whether or not he was almost 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.560 in the NFL. His team was very good. They won 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.800 the division title in nineteen eighty six. I think when 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.480 he's a junior, so like, he does play on a 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.080 very good team. I'm sure he was not bad at it. 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:31.560 I just don't know that he was in the NFL. 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.120 That said, he does break his leg in his last 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.960 year of high school badly on the field, which ruins 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:42.680 his pro dreams. Now Man, As a fun aside, will Well, 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:43.960 I was read here and I love this. 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:44.440 Well. 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.600 I was researching these articles. I found an old twenty 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:48.919 twelve interview in The New York Times with Diddy. This 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.400 is back during his you know mogul, you know, generally 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:56.119 popular phase, and the the article was about a movie 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.600 that he had helped produce called Undefeated. This was based 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.840 on an Oscar nominated documentary about a real life high 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.280 school football coach named Bill Courtney, who was apparently pretty good. 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.199 I don't know much about high school football coaches. 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.960 You're from Texas. How do you not know much about 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:11.520 high school? 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.159 Like I developed, I fucking played high school football for 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.199 middle school. I forget which year I was in football, 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:18.120 but I played football. 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:19.640 I did a sport once. 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.680 Yeah, I was not almost in the NFL. 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:24.600 It wasn't as fun as drugs. 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:29.720 So now that I could have gone pro in will 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:32.120 yet I could have been. I really could have been 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:34.639 in the in the NFL of drugs. 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.000 Absolutely, I still feel like I have a chance. 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:38.840 Like I feel like I got like a field of 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:40.720 dreams chance in fact, you know, like. 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.119 I do, I do want to see the field of 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.760 dreams of drugs. It's like they put up a table 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:52.080 in a field and just like drugs start materializing. Fucking 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.560 John Belushi walks out of a cloud. 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.800 Willie Nelson is like he's not even dead, but he's 0:22:57.840 --> 0:22:59.720 the guy that gets to walk back on the field 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:00.520 and get younger. 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:02.159 He's the Ray Liota and he. 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.680 Dick pulls himself off out of a sewer. 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:10.600 Oh my god, they will come. 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:15.680 The biggest bong ever and just like a table of cocaine. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:18.480 Oh, we could make this movie. 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.040 So I feel like someone is going to rip this 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.560 off from us. We better act quickly. 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:28.320 Back to this story, So did he produces this movie 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.160 or helps to produce this movie about this high school 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:32.560 football's coach named Bill Courtney, And he's interviewed in the 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:35.000 Times about it. And in the interview, Colmes talks about 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.880 his own football experiences in high school, and he laments 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.280 I didn't have a coach like Bill Courtney who stood 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.320 by me and helped motivate me in everything I was envious. 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:45.680 To be honest, he's kind of insinuating that a better 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:47.840 of coach might have helped him overcome his broken leg 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:48.359 or whatever. 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:53.080 Anyway he could have healed me with his witch doctor. Ways, right, right, 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:54.560 right anyway. 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.120 The best part of that interview, though, is that Colmes 0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:59.399 was working as a producer on the remake of that 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:03.439 documentary with the Weinstein Company, and the interview with him 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:07.320 in the Times includes this line. Next quote, Combe said, 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.200 he and Harvey Weinstein had been trying. 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.640 To do something together for seven years. 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.840 And yeah, bro, bet you guys were Yeah, I bet 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.120 you projects you were in on. 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:21.640 Yeah. Absolutely. 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.080 It is almost like I hate whenever people start like 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.120 because like every time some of this stuff comes out, 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.280 you know that like a certain person's like a grease back, 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:32.840 then every person that's ever been in a picture with 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.959 them is suspect, you know, And it's like this, and 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.240 it's like, yeah, but like not all those people are 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:42.159 actually doing bad shits, are just taking advantage of somebody's 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.680 like status to up themselves a little bit or meet 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:45.320 people or what. 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.080 But also, yeah, a lot of times they are. 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.880 Yeah, a lot of times the whole Harvey Weinstein connection 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:52.240 maybe should have been a sign. 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.959 Yeah, a lot of times they're absolutely running a fucking 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.680 little circle jerk over there with each other. 0:24:57.520 --> 0:24:57.720 You know. 0:24:57.880 --> 0:24:58.080 Yeah. 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.399 Yeah, Now it was during Shawn's high school years that 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.000 he first actually you know what, speaking of Shawn's high 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:05.840 school years, you know it'll help you get through high 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:10.240 school drugs well and the backs and services that support 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:19.840 this podcast. Fair enough, uh, and we're back. I hope 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.359 you've all graduated and you are ready for the rest 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:24.760 of the pod. 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.040 And don't join the military like I did, because it 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.919 is not going to be a good idea. 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:33.000 When you graduate, man, do anything else. 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:37.760 But the recruiter says, I can even pick my mos. 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:39.840 Did I ever tell you that. 0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:41.800 I had a friend that thought he was joining the 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:49.360 Marine Corps snowboarding team. His recruiter literally showed him pictures 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.000 of dudes on snowboards and was like, yeah, man, if 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:53.840 you he was like from Colorado and he thought he 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:54.240 was joining it. 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.320 Like he was like two weeks into being in the fleet, 0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.520 and he was like, so, when does the snowboarding guy. 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.879 From the snowboarding team gonna like hit me up? Or 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:04.960 like how do I get over there? Like, bro, we 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.439 are deploying for our recket, like seven minutes. 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.600 You are not going to the Marine Corps. There isn't 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:13.440 even a Marine Corps snowboarding team. 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:16.760 There ought to be like an Olympic for a military 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.880 recruiter lies, Oh my god, one's up there. 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:21.639 Oh my god, there's so many hoops. 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.600 I had another friend who literally the recruiter he came 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:26.000 in and he was like, yeah, man, I want to 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:27.240 be the in infantry. 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.560 He's like, and the recruiter like like slow played, and 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.320 he's like, well, I don't know, man, it's it's pretty exclusive. 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:37.760 And he got on the phone with like his master 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.000 sergeant in the back room. 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.160 He's like a car dealer being like my boss agreed, 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.160 we're gonna we never do this. 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.400 We're gonna do what we can for you. We're gonna, 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:46.439 you know, we're gonna hook you up. Man. 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:50.160 You seem like a pretty pretty wise individual, you know, really, 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.160 you you belong up in infantry. 0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:52.400 Man. 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:54.720 Yeah, we can get you in man. 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:55.359 Fuck. 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:58.879 So it was during Sean's high school years that he 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.399 first acquired the nickname Puffy, and we have two different 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:04.080 stories for how that happened. Here's the first, as related 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.560 in an article on Hip Hop Insider. He used to 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.879 puff out his chest to make his body seem bigger, 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:10.480 which is where the name originated. 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:12.840 Maybe that's true, that's what his mom said. 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.160 I remember seeing his mom in an interview that said 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:16.960 the same thing that that's where it came from. 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.040 That he used to because he wasn't a big dude. 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:20.680 Back to the point earlier. 0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.080 And there's a slightly different story that he told in 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.760 nineteen ninety eight to Jet magazine. Whenever I got mad 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:27.480 as a kid, I used to always huff and puff. 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:29.960 I had a temper. That's when my friend started calling 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:34.040 me Puffy. Yeah, but you know they're not necessarily. 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:35.639 I mean, you know, they're not at odds with each other. 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.080 That might be like, yeah, yeah, it's like. 0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:39.560 He's like one of those fish. 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.919 Yeah, anytime he's threatened, he gets. 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:46.280 Big oh Man and puffer fish. Infamous sex criminals. Do 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.760 not let your friends go home alone with a puffer fish. 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.399 I remember that in Finding Nemo. That was one of 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.879 the subplots of Finding You. Was that puffer fish for 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:55.800 sex criminals? 0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:59.720 Yes, yeah, I used past. There's sex past, sex pests. 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:00.359 Yeah. 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.560 So with football out of the way, young Sean leaned 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.240 into the other less discussed aspect of his personality, which 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.240 was that he was kind of an artsy theater kid. 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:09.800 Did He had a reputation at his private school for 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:14.080 being neatly dressed, and in college for wearing designer clothes, 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.920 which he funded through a variety of legal entrepreneurial ventures. 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.600 For example, in between classes this is again when he's 0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:23.840 at college. He's at Howard University, he would operate a 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.320 shuttle service to the airport, and he would also sell 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.960 his old term papers, t shirts and soda to his classmates. 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:34.640 So again entrepreneur but not exactly a gangster. Roe Ronan's 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.159 book Bad Boy, which covers Ditty's influence on the hip 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:39.720 hop industry paints a picture of a young man who 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.560 was beyond everything else an opportunist. At one point, while 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.800 he's in at Howard, there's this massive protest campaign on 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.600 the campus over the presence of Lee Atwater on the 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.880 university board of trustees. And again, Howard is a historically 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:56.800 black university. Lee Atwater is the author of the Republican 0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.640 Party's infamous Southern strategy, which I cannot run late directly 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.280 to you without using the N word repeatedly, like. 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:07.880 You had me at a Republican party. 0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.320 I was there, I was there already. You're just edging 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:11.240 me from there. 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.840 The basic idea of the strategy that Lee Atwater helps 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:16.520 put together is that you can't campaign in nineteen sixty eight. 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.840 Before sixty eight, you can campaign by just screaming about 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.040 black people and saying you want to hurt them. Right 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:23.960 by sixty eight, you can't do that, So you have 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:27.320 to instead campaign on issues that will hurt black people, 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:31.040 but you can pretend aren't racist, like fiscal conservatism cutting 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.240 programs that help Black Americans without calling them slurs. Right, 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.560 that's Lee Atwater. So obviously Howard University students are like, 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.560 the fuck is this guy doing on the board of trustees. 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:46.040 Hey, bro, you you've got your hood many Yeah, that. 0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:49.840 Is essentially the tenor of the protest campaign. Now, Sean's 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.000 peers rightly thought it was fucked up for this guy 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:53.520 to have a seat on the Howard board, and they 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.960 do win. I'm going a spoiler heat. He winds up 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:57.000 leap stepping down. 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.480 Man every now and then plugging a CEO and broad 0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:04.280 daylight the city street does something right. Protest work. 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:08.720 Protests can work. So there's this big protest campaign. There's 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.240 like clashes with riot police, they occupy buildings on campus. 0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:12.960 It's a whole thing. 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:15.560 How far you have to go to get one white 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.760 man fired from right fired? 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:19.440 Yeah. 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.200 In the book it was all a dream. Culture journalist 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:26.080 Justin Tinsley writes this of sophomore Sean Colmes's involvement in 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.480 this protest campaign. For Colmes, the student protests in the 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.120 spring of eighty nine presented an opportunity to unite the 0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.680 student body and put some money in his pockets. At 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.920 the same time, Colmes took images from the protests, photos 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:40.640 of students and police clashing and students being whisked away, 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.920 and printed up some posters and he like sells posters 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.400 based on this. He's like, he's a profiteer. 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:47.920 Yeah right, yeah yeah. 0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.880 A write up by Chris Malone goes further. Future producer 0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.040 and co worker of Ditty's Derek d Dot Angeletti was 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:55.960 at Howard at the same time as Ditty and saw 0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.040 how he made a quick buck from the protests. In 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:01.920 the two thousand and three Notorious Big documentary Unbelievable, he 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.520 spoke about Diddy's photo enterprise during the protests. He made 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:07.640 hundreds of them and sold them for ten and fifteen 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.480 dollars a piece. Angeletti said, that's the type of guy. 0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:12.920 I saw all this protest shit as well and good, 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:14.200 but he was getting paid off it. 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:18.320 He was ready. Yeah, this is the eighties. Yeah, eighty nine. 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.320 Yeah, so I mean yeah, so ten to fifteen bucks, 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.680 that's that's a lot of money too. That's that's not 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.680 cheat Like we think of ten teen to fifteen bucks now, 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.240 but in eighty nine, ten to fifteen bucks, Like. 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.480 Yeah, it was like seven hundred, eight hundred dollars. 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:34.400 Yeah, it's a lot more money, whatever the math works 0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:34.680 out to. 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.880 But yes, absolutely, yeah, this was back when a dimebag 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:38.960 cost ten dollars. 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:40.200 Yeah, and that wasn't cheat. 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.880 Yeah, it used to be iron We used to be 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:44.800 a country. 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:46.960 We had onions and our belts. 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:51.480 It was his style at the top of yeah. Amusingly enough, 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.600 in two thousand and nine, did he made statements in 0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:56.720 support of another protest movement at Howard, promising I got 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.520 y'all back and saying, do what we did and take 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.680 it over. Let's go and do it in a peaceful way, 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.040 but do it. And again, you did not take anything over. 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:08.840 You sold pictures of people doing that. 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:10.120 Like we were. 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.480 Looking back through a lens, so it's easy to like 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.440 see like like, oh, he probably was kind of but 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.000 you want to believe that. Like any when you heard 0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.520 this earlier, you know, did he telling this story, you 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.120 were like, yeah, yeah. 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:24.440 Good for you speaking up for the kids. 0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:25.240 Yeah, yeah, you. 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.160 Did it, man, But like and then like hearing it 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:30.200 in retrospect, he's just like you know, you know, everything 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:31.320 that he did was slimy. 0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:33.440 Yeah, he's just always pulling an angle. 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.200 He was almost facing a riot line to get at 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:37.400 water fucking fired. 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:38.080 Right. 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.640 If you're one of those, if you or your parents 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.120 did good for them, that's. 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:43.800 Pretty cool man. Yeah. 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.400 So a good deal of our knowledge of college age. 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.200 Did He comes from Derek Angeletti, who I quoted earlier. 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.640 He's the guy who described young Puffy as a flashy guy. 0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:53.920 Quote he was always out at the clubs and the 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:58.160 young girls loved him. That's a creepier line in modern context. 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.239 He'd be in the middle of the floor doing all 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.400 the new dance moves, and his style of dress was 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.720 a little more colorful Boulder. Everyone took notice of this cool, 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.960 overconfident young dude. I was DJing at the time, and 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:11.520 one night he came up to me and said, I'd 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.760 like to throw a party with you. You're pretty popular, And 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:16.560 that's kind of how did he did. He's really good 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:21.080 at recognizing people that other people like. That's his primary talent. 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.840 He becomes a billionaire off the basis of that. 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.040 You will definitely see, especially in the music industry, there's 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:31.680 so many there's such a wide ranging culture of that 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:32.520 being the thing. 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:32.840 You know. 0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:35.520 It's like the lou Pearlman or the or the or 0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:39.280 you know, or the Ditty or the jay Z with Rockefeller, 0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.760 you know' rock Nation. You know, it's like all these 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.960 different organizations that's what they're looking for. All the time 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.880 is like who is the thing that other people can 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.840 look at? And because like that's what it takes you 0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.760 have to have. You have to have a stable of 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.840 people for everything. To have a party, you got to 0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:58.880 have the best caterer in the world, but you also 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:00.680 got to have the best DJ, and you also got 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:02.680 to have you know, it's like that's what all those 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.160 people are the best at, is collecting a whole bunch 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:06.960 of the best ofs that they know. 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.399 Yeah, and that's like, I mean, honestly, like that's that's 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.560 also just an entertainment industry thing, Like you know, Sophie 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:16.000 and I that's a skill we have in a different way, right, 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:17.000 Like you. 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:18.800 Got a stable of really cool podcasts. 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.160 A year or so ago, I'm reading this ed Zitron 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.160 guy and I'm like, I bet he could be a podcaster, 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.440 you know, Like that's just that is just kind of 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:27.759 the industry too. That's like how you you know, and 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:29.839 and he's going did He's gonna be one of the best. 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.759 Day you will unify the entirety of all podcasters in 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:35.960 the world takeovers. 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:40.279 So we're starting the East Coast West Coast podcast rivalry. 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.600 Get d and shot in a fucking conflict with one 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:44.880 of the NPR guys. 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.800 Oh man, another movie idea. 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:55.720 You guys are great movie. I'm making ed the Biggie 0:34:55.719 --> 0:35:02.520 Smalls of podcasts. Sorry man, you cooked enjoy the next 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.600 couple of years. Buddy so Combs took things a few 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.160 steps further than most people who throw popular parties on 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.440 campus by sometimes successfully convincing or paying celebrities to show up. 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.680 He included his name on flyers with their name, which 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:18.640 is part of how he would brand himself. Right, you're 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.600 attaching yourself to celebrity. You're also just making sure everyone 0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.040 who goes to this huge party with like fifteen hundred 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.880 people knows that's a diddy party. 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:29.000 Right. Yeah, Reputation is everything. 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.440 That and he he's good at reputation management. He prints 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:34.920 business cards for himself that he hands out. They have 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.840 his name engraved on them as Sean in parentheses puff 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:42.960 Combs just one fu. So he's still working on the nickname. 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:43.239 Right. 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.280 That's a bad that's a bad process. 0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:46.919 It's a process. 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.800 Some stuff here, I knew you before you were greasy. 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:55.279 Well, his friends are like puff puff PuF. 0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.319 There should at least be two f's. 0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:01.040 It's like, damn near poof bro like, I don't know, man, 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:02.080 it's gonna be confusing. 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:07.200 Just a boardroom of guys. Yeah. Oh and that's one 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:08.960 of my one of my By the way, speaking of 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.359 like wasted o people are lying, one of my because 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.879 this this comes up periodically when people will like lie 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.400 about having been in the military or special forces. If 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:18.680 anyone ever tells you they served and they had a 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:19.920 really cool nickname. 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:20.839 Full of shit. 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:25.800 Yeah, nobody gets called the like the Avenger, your fucking 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.320 killer or whatever, like, no, it's always like sack. 0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:33.960 Yeah, like yeah, we're like two thumbs, yeah shit stained. 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:39.320 Yeah, you're like, oh man, there's there's nothing about thumbs 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:40.960 that could have been a good story here. 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.920 Yeah. 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:44.759 So uh. 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.719 These parties with Diddy grow to be sizable affairs, but 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:49.880 the biggest of them was a homecoming event at a 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:55.160 Masonic temple fifteen hundred, which actually does sound pretty cool. Yeah, 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.640 fifteen hundred attendees were expected, but Sean's marketing of the 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.720 event was so successful more than forty five hundred people 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.759 showed up, which causes a problem when three times as 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.680 many people show up, and this is going to be 0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:10.080 a continuing problem for him. Angeletti later claimed, the DC 0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.520 police shut down the whole block and brought out the dogs. 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.279 We had to get on our knees and beg them 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:17.360 not to lock us up, which again not super gangster. 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.439 Yeah, getting on your knees and begging is exactly fuck 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:21.480 the police. 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:25.439 No, Biggie wouldn't have done that. I'll tell you that 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:29.600 Tupac would have shot those cops. Tupac would have shot 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:30.160 those cups. 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:32.439 And he wasn't even that gangster man, but he would 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:33.360 have shot them Cups. 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.439 Would have shot them cups. Man. We forget man. 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.319 This guy's hosting New Year's celebrationsanship, but that guy would 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:41.160 shoot some cops. 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:47.560 That guy was hardcore. Martha Stewart's friend Weekly parties were 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.040 all well and good for getting attention, but Sean wanted 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.239 much more out of life, and he quickly decided a 0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.200 business administration degree from Howard wasn't going to get it 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:57.520 for him. So he drops out and he starts begging 0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.520 record executives in New York for jobs, using his party 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.400 planning career as a resume. This did not work, but 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.320 when he reduced the request from job to unpaid internship, 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:10.399 he got a yes from Uptown Records's Andre Harrel. Now 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.400 this is not a guy I'd heard of before, but 0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:14.799 Sheila Flynn for The Independent describes him as the man 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:20.319 who quote famously coined the term ghetto fabulous. So, yeah, 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:23.520 that's Andre Harrold. He's a big guy in the industry. 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:28.360 She describes his time interning for Uptown this way. Combs 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.640 initially commuted weekly between college and his hometown, working eighty 0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.120 hour weeks as he literally ran to complete errands for 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.719 his record superiors, and it wasn't long before he quit 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.920 Howard altogether. By nineteen ninety one, Harold had installed him 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.400 as an A and R executive, and Colmes was forging 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.560 a reputation for identifying and molding top tier talent. So 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.680 he goes very quickly from unpaid intern to paid executive. 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:51.640 He's very good at this. He works like crazy, and 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:54.920 he's got an incredible eye for talent. And this is 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.000 also ninety one rap is exploding. 0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.520 Yeah yeah, and perfect timing for it all. Well there. 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:04.000 So just for there's an actual term for that in 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:06.839 the interest, called a runner. It's literally because you are, 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:09.480 in fact running for everything you do. You go and 0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:11.759 get things all throughout the day. It's the first job 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:15.520 you do in almost any like music industry position. So 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:16.960 it's like, this is what I did. I was an 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.400 intern and then I became a runner, and then an 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:21.480 assistant engineer and then an engineer. But that's how you 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.560 like work up with and and it's crazy something that 0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.799 people don't like. It's not like it's not like being 0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.359 an actor, right, like doing some of these jobs, like 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:33.400 like what did he did here? Some of these jobs, 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:34.560 it's not like being an actor. 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:35.399 You get out here and. 0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.520 You're competing against just like everybody working at every diner 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.000 in all of Los Angeles, right Like, doing some of 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:45.480 these specific jobs like a and rs or producers or engineers, 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.480 you can get into the industry and be one step 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:52.200 away from the top immediately. There's so many stories of that. 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.880 Is like you get it your first my first job, 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.200 I lived in Texas where we met. In Texas, I 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:00.080 was playing in a metal band and then I I 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:01.880 was like, oh, I should maybe like do music for 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.640 a career. I went to school for nine months, graduated 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:08.680 from a tech school, and started at the biggest studio 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.840 in the world as a runner. But I was so 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:13.680 good because my background in the military and all this 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:14.359 stuff that I was in. 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:15.480 I was a runner for. 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:19.279 Like three weeks before I was like working for the 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.520 studio as an engineer, So it was like you're only 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.920 a very very short insert. It's like attacking the industry 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.799 from a secret angle because you can do things like 0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.600 it's so fast. It's like your first job might be 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:35.879 working for the president of a label. You know, if 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:38.000 you have the right aptitude for the type of stuff, 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.560 it could happen just like that. Now, it's still competitive 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:44.280 in everything you know, and it's really hard, but it's 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.880 it's a different thing from like being like an actor 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.280 or a musician, where you're competing against thousands and thousands 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.880 of people in the same proximity trying to do that job. 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:55.960 It's kind of like a hack to get into the industry. 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:59.360 Well there you go, folks. You could have your own Grammy. 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.000 Well maybe even be a guest on this podcast. 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:05.240 More tips like this on my TikTok Greasy Wheel Music. 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:10.480 I don't have any tips for becoming a journalist or 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:10.839 a writer. 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:12.280 It's it's very. 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:15.759 Hard and it seems like no one's doing it anymore. Yeah, 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:17.200 I don't know how it worked for us. 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.839 Get chat, GPT and just plug a subject in and 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:23.160 then post that. 0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:25.360 On a website. That's there you go. 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:28.359 You're a type of the Lord of the Rings into 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:34.360 chat GPT and you too could be a novelist or 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.080 sued by the Tolkien estate either way, same def. 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:38.480 Yeah. 0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:41.520 So he's you know, by ninety one, he's an A 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.080 and R executive, So he's he's doing he like. While 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.440 he does that, he continues throwing parties. He understands that 0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:48.120 that's number one, that's how'm going to meet people. That's 0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:50.359 I'm gonna run into DJs, the people that I'm going 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:53.240 to like poach, you know, as talent. He would throw 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:57.080 what is described in one source as racially mixed daddy's 0:41:57.120 --> 0:42:00.920 house parties for street kids and preppiest students from Columbia 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:04.160 University and New York University. And this is where that's 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:06.160 a Ronan who wrote a book about, you know, his 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.359 role in hip hop says quote that's where he saw 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:10.320 what fans were dancing to when wearing So this is 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:14.719 also how he stays plugged in. Now you know it's 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:17.600 I should say it's also how he's going to be 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:18.960 committing a lot of his sex crimes. 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:20.040 But we'll get to that in a minute. 0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:24.279 So yeah, daddy's house parties don't go great for a 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:31.240 lot of people. Oh yeah, you brought your soundboard. Two choices, 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:38.160 and he makes the choice next to kill nine people. 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.000 So he's twenty two years old. 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:44.760 He's going as puff with one F. He's a college 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.400 drop out and an employed record executive. And one of 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:50.120 the acts that Sean helps bring to prominence is Jordikey 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:52.239 j O R D E C. I. 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:56.600 I don't know if jordanash the Gene company. Yes, yes, 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:58.160 he discovers that enough. 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.440 Jordikee is a an R and B duo who were 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:03.080 blowing up by ninety one. 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.880 Joas, Wait, what are you saying? Is it Jodasy? 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:10.320 It's jail Oh you're saying Jodasy. 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:12.520 I'll look it up. No, no, no, I can't No, no, no, 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:17.160 it's it's not it's not okay. So what's the name 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:18.759 j O R D No, No, no. 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:20.800 The way that Robert has it spelled, there's an R 0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:23.319 in there. But I think I think Will is right 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:24.160 that it's Jodasy. 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:27.879 Is it Jodasy? Okay, Well we'll say it's Jodasy because 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:32.560 there's a duo duo. Yes, then that's then it's called look, 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:35.040 I don't know these but you know me and fucking 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.640 not sure it's a there's a D in there. 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:41.279 Yeah, I mean you know it could be. 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.359 I don't know Joasy so no, no, no, it is 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:44.719 it is. 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:45.240 Yeah. 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.759 Combs decided a good way to increase Jodas's visibility was 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:52.200 to throw a charity basketball game pitting two teams of 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:55.920 rappers against each other while fans watched. The event was 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:57.879 to be held in the City College of New York. 0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.279 Jim once again did He did what he does best, 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.719 which is promote, and so a shitload of people show up, 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.520 in fact, several times as many people as can fit 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:10.320 in the actual gym itself. This becomes a problem because 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:14.279 Sean doesn't do anything but promote the event, and he's. 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.080 Set up any of the safety measures, any of the staff, 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:18.680 any of the bathrooms, none of that. 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.120 Now he has two of his assistants, who have never 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.480 run large gatherings do that, and he does not inform them. 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.919 By the way, every time I do something several times 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:29.319 as many people as we can actually support show up 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:31.880 could be a problem. He just has it, tells his 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.680 assistance to handle it, and then forgets all about it. 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:38.200 Largely because his attention is occupied by executing fraud at 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.000 the tune of tens of thousands of dollars because the 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.799 game had been advertised as a charitable event, but like 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:46.360 he hadn't told anyone what charity and actuality charity? 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:48.239 Yeah, what kind of charity? You know? 0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:50.839 As a kid with stuff that needs stuff, you know, yeah, 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:55.120 kid problems. 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:56.880 As someone who has been that assistant that had to organize, 0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:58.839 like like I've been this guy. I've been this guy 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.799 that had to put together a house party with three 0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.239 bands and like five hundred people show up and the 0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:08.200 lapd is circling with a helicopter, and then I have 0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:12.279 to be the representative of white people to go out 0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:14.799 and talk to cops so that it's okay. You know, 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:18.719 one of the artists I used to work with, but 0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:20.279 he used to always be like, yo, hey, the cops 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.920 are here, so yeah, you want to go You'll go 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:26.560 talk to him? Oh yeah, man, He's like, you know, 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.000 you speak like cops and like white people and stead of. 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:30.840 Like all right, I got it, I gotta go go 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:32.200 outside like skits. 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.000 Hey, gentlemen, how are you doing tonight? Oh yes, sir, absolutely, sir. 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:39.080 You know, like, oh, the dogs. You don't need those. 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:45.759 So there's no beneficiary actually selected for this party, and 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.040 for the more than twenty four thousand dollars in nineteen 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.960 nineties money that had been raised for the event. Further 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:53.320 blame for what's about to happen goes to the police 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:57.200 on duty. Sean's assistance had only coordinated with Pinkerton's security 0:45:57.239 --> 0:46:00.840 guards hired by the university. Yeah, there's Pinkertons and everybody 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.200 legendarily protective of people. 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:06.880 They're safe and never hurt nobody them Pinkertons. 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:09.400 And the university had increased to the number of security 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.880 guards to twenty three because they started getting worried before 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.960 the event. But the NYPD just sends a few guys, 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.040 and when it becomes clear that more than twice as 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.600 many people as expected showed up, the sergeant on scene 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:22.799 doesn't call for backup until it's too late. Eventually there 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.479 are like sixty something officers in attendance, but it takes 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:29.120 a while, and the sergeant on duty also ignores repeated 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.880 calls by the university, being like, there's way too many people. 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:34.600 There's way too many people. You need to do something. 0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:37.400 There's going to be a riot, And in fact there is. 0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.959 Yeah, they ignored the neighbors at our parties too, man, 0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:44.080 they just did not listen to them. 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.680 So once it becomes clear because they have to tell 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:48.799 this huge crowd most of you are not getting in, 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:50.880 and then the crowd gets rowdy and violent and a 0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:54.880 riot begins. The NYPD officers who are there are as 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.560 useless as the NYPD tends to be when therever they're 0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:01.040 actually needed for something, and things go very badly. At 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:04.120 seven pm, with far too many people crowded into the venue, 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.920 the single door they had been using to funnel people 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.520 in was shut. Since that door was steel and at 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.040 the bottom of a stairwell, with the crowd basically pushed 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.080 up against it, it creates a solid barrier in a 0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:18.560 room that has four more people than are supposed to 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:22.360 be in it. People panic and a crush develops. Dozens 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:25.720 are injured, and nine young people are crushed to death, 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:29.440 literally asphyxiated by the weight of the crowd. Medical exammers 0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:31.120 will note that like none of them had broken bones, 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:33.040 they are just suffocated by the mass. 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:35.800 I mean, for those of you know, like I have 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:37.879 been to a lot of concerts, I've been into metal 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:41.640 music like the Sometimes it feels kind of you know, 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.040 like how could you be killed by a bunch of people? 0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:46.319 But like, if you have never seen a. 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:49.000 Crowd or been in a crowd, like even I is like, 0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:51.319 I mean, I'm a fairly large person myself, Like I'm 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.600 not huge or anything, but like and I'm pretty okay 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.799 with like bad situations. I've been in some crowd crush 0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.040 situations that have terrified me, wherea like this is like scary, 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:03.359 like this has been If you've never been in those situations, 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:05.880 it's really easy to understand if you have like what 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:08.720 that's like. It's like it's like even a few hundred 0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:11.000 people can be like that, and you're talking about three 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:14.640 times the capacity of a venue. You know, that's like 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.040 so easy for a crowd to just crush the shit 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:18.800 out of some people. 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.640 It is like one of the best survival advice pieces 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:23.160 I can give you is if you are ever in 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.839 any kind of event and upon entering, you're like, your 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:28.799 only way to get in is to push through a 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.640 crowd of people with absolutely no gaps in it, and 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:33.600 you immediately have like the hair stand up on the 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:35.239 back of your neck and wonder, are there too many 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:35.960 people in this room? 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:38.319 Fucking back the hell out. Yeah, get out there is 0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:41.240 go absolutely is, and it's not a good idea. 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.080 Don't fuck around with situations like that. 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.799 Next thing, you know you're gonna be surrounded by a 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:50.000 bunch of Juggalos and an ICP concert at the Electric 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.640 Factory and feel really uncomfortable. 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:57.480 So this is a horrible say again, nine people die 0:48:57.600 --> 0:48:59.680 because of this thing that Diddy has orchestrated. 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.200 One e MT. This this is early, this. 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.879 Is this is where more than one episode of this are. 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:08.880 We there's two episodes. There's more deaths to come. 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:10.720 There's two, there's two. 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:12.239 But Robert, I kind of feel like we can do 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:13.279 this as a three parter. 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:17.440 I don't know, maybe we'll see one happened. Yeah. One 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:19.880 e MT, who showed up on scene, described the result 0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:23.200 as a plane crash without a plane. There were bodies 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.839 all over, people calling for help. That's a very bad 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.279 way for your party to be. Although you and I 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:30.439 have both thrown parties that I would describe as looking 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:31.319 like a plane. 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:34.320 Crash after its h for sure, cool plane crash. 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:38.560 It's a very cool pane crash. You just feel like 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:40.680 you're dead, like where people are like, man, that was 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:43.320 the best night of my life. 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:47.120 Yeah, yeah, like the plane crash in Yellow Jackets. I 0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:49.239 haven't finished Yellow Jackets. I assume it goes well for 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:49.960 those well. 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:50.200 Yeah. 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.680 This would mark the first time that Sean Colmes drew 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:56.960 media attention. 0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:57.399 In a big way. 0:49:57.680 --> 0:49:59.640 New York news Day was one of the papers who 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:01.840 first got reporters on scene, and years later one of 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.400 them are called being told by a colleague the organizer 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.960 was some guy called puff Daddy. In the days that followed, 0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.840 it became clear that a substantial amount of the blame 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:14.480 for this disaster lay with puff Daddy, Puff Daddy, Puff Daddy. 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:17.760 A report compiled afterwards by the Mayor's office read mister 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.640 Colem spent little time making the actual preparation for the 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:23.280 game and delegated most, if not all, of the arrangements 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.040 to Lewis Tucker and Ta Getter, both of them claimed 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:29.200 to have no prior experience with such events. I found 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:31.920 a fun article in the Columbia Journalism Review by one 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:33.799 of the reporters who covered the crush, and this is 0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.680 you know him writing after Diddy has been disgraced. His 0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:39.879 piece ended with this line, I do remember thinking, man, 0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:42.359 this puffy guy can't have much of a future after this. 0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:47.560 Let me tell you about America, my brother. 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.319 This is the thing though, too, is like it's like, 0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:53.960 you know, that happened, right, But I can't tell you 0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.080 how many events, how many things I've been to that 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.000 have been like, you know, thrown like this. 0:50:58.080 --> 0:50:58.600 A concert. 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.800 It's like, dude, I've been at a fest which is 0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:03.719 like a major concert that has felt like this, where 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:05.279 it's like they didn't plan this very well. 0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:07.640 There's not enough things here. It seems dangerous. 0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:10.719 And the fine line between man, we just pulled off 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:15.879 this crazy party, nine people died, is it's razor thin. 0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:19.480 You know, there is sometimes where it's like this is 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:21.680 the coolest party I've ever been to, and then and 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:23.880 it doesn't go completely wrong, but it could have at 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.200 any time. One of those house parties we had, we 0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:28.960 had two hundred people and they're raging in the living room, 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:31.279 and I thought for I started standing closer to the 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:32.279 wall because I was. 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.000 Like, this floor is gonna give out. Man, there's no 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:35.600 way it's get in bad life. 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.839 This house could not be designed to have this many 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:39.319 people jumping up and down like this. 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:43.560 Yeah, and you know, a lot of being happy, especially 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:46.160 like being happy about how you spent your twenties. Is 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:49.480 getting as close to that line as you can get 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:52.840 without crossing over into the killing nine people at City College. 0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:56.840 Yeah, so yeah, yeah, risking it. Yeah, I've been on 0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:57.320 the edge. 0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:00.359 Yeah, the edge is a place, but it's also place 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:03.000 that's called the edge for a reason because sometimes. 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:09.520 Yeah, you know, hey man, you know sometimes you gotta 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.279 get rid up to the edge and just. 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:13.760 Leave and laugh. Man. Yeah. 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:16.840 Hunter Thompson wrote eloquently about the edge and also diet 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:18.440 unable to hold in his bowls. 0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:22.880 So you know that is the consequence. It's not a 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:23.560 long life. 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:28.319 It's not a long life. So because this is America, 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:30.560 getting a bunch of people killed due to your own 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.440 staggering negligence does not mean that you don't have it yet, 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.640 none at all. And puff Daddy proves immune to consequences 0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:40.480 for his actions, even though again, every review of the 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:43.200 disaster is like he he's to blame for a lot 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.160 of this. Now again, I don't want to say all 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.840 of it, because let's not forget the NYPD. Yeah, I 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:50.680 also got those kids killed. 0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:53.480 Look, there's never a time where the NYPD hasn't been 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.680 a little bit negligent in some people dying in New 0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:57.280 York City. 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.440 You know, it's what they do best. That's part of 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:01.360 their that's what they get paid for. Of course. 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:06.560 Yeah, the NYPD operates one of the largest surveillance apparatuses 0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:09.280 on the planet so that they can know more places 0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:14.400 to get kids killed. So puff Daddy winds up testifying 0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:16.680 in court about the disaster when the families of the 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:19.360 dead and the survivors sued the college after a nineteen 0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:20.719 ninety eight court appearance. 0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:22.200 So they didn't go after him at all, They just 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:24.279 went to college. No, go after the college. 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:26.720 I think at this point the college is who has money? 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:29.719 He's not right, Yeah, he's a kid. Yeah, yeah, good point. Yeah, 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:31.560 no reason to go after him. He's got Yeah, what's 0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:32.319 he gonna do for you. 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.560 After a nineteen ninety eight court appearance, he told reporters that, like, 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:37.560 I think about it every day. I think about, you know, 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.200 the dead every single day. You know, I'm always my 0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:41.319 thoughts are always with them. 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:41.920 Quote. 0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:43.440 But the things that I deal with can in no 0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:45.920 way measure up to the pain that the families deal with. 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:48.400 I just pray for the families and pray for the 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:51.040 children who lost their lives every day. 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:53.920 So he literally wrote I'll be missing you like I'll 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:55.640 be about the. 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:57.040 People he got crushed to day. 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:01.359 Yeah, right, all the every day man. Every time I pray, man, 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.719 I'm missing you. Yeah. He hit him early with that, 0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:10.960 he did right away. That always works for him. Get 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:12.480 the hits, man, play the hits. 0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.080 I can't wait till we have our first dictator who 0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:18.280 takes a note data, who like fucking like uses chemical 0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:20.839 weapons on a crowd of protesters and is that then 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:28.360 gets in like a studio and sings I'll be missing you. 0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:34.600 Pro tip for the future dictators who listen to this podcast, 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:37.440 there's gotta be one of you and the bang are 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:40.000 ready to go, have a banger, ready to go, and 0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:42.640 look if you do succeed in becoming a dictator, just 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:45.200 give me a province. Just one province, is all I asked. 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:47.239 Hell you, I mean let me you know, I'll make 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.000 a golden house for my of course I'm gonna make 0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:51.439 a golden house, you know, but like it'll be it'll 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.600 be gold plated. I'm not that much, does everyone does? 0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:57.000 You can bring your grammy over to my gold plated house. 0:54:57.160 --> 0:54:59.160 Whoa man, it'll take shots out of it. 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:04.680 Yeah. Now speaking of I'll be missing you. I'm gonna 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:06.680 be missing you all because this is the end of 0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:09.240 part one. But don't worry, folks, we have a lot 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.719 more coming. This is this, This whole week is gonna 0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:15.279 be Diddy Week here at behind the Bastard. Yeah, Diddy, 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:20.000 will my friend. You have a TikTok to plug. 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:22.640 I have a TikTok. I am Greasy Wheel Music. I 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:26.239 have a podcast it's called that sounds about right. I 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:29.200 have a Instagram that you can find me Greasy. I'm 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:31.440 Greasy Wheel g r e A z y W. 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:34.640 I L one L because the second one wasn't pulling 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:37.399 any heavyweight and I decided I was wasting time doing it. 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.880 But no, so yeah, fuck that L. But I am 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:41.880 highly googleable. 0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:43.839 I am all over the internet. I can be found 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:48.640 almost anywhere. You could even send a telegram to me. Still, 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:52.080 I accept telegrams as long as they are Western Union 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:53.200 and contain money as well. 0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:56.800 Yes, yeah, yeah, I send you telegrams, but entirely about 0:55:56.800 --> 0:56:01.160 our oil business down in the eras Zona territory. 0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:05.120 Yeah. I drank your milkshake. That's right, that's right. 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:09.600 That's how you and I spend our free time. Old 0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:16.440 timey oilmen. It's a great time everybody. Well until next week, folks, 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:19.560 become an old timey oil man yourself, you know, start 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:21.040 a start an oil rig. 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:22.080 Somewhere next week. 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:24.160 Next part, next. 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:26.680 Part, yeah, next part. Not next week. We'll be back 0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:31.000 tomorrow probably anyway, minutes from now, just a minute. We're 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:32.000 gonna keep recording. 0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:35.839 Yes, anyway, I love you all, go to hell. 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.719 Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.439 For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool 0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:49.520 Zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:52.080 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.680 Behind the Bastards is now available on YouTube, new episodes 0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:59.640 every Wednesday and Friday. Subscribe to our channel YouTube dot 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:02.279 com slash at Behind the Bastards