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Speaker 2: Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcasts being

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Speaker 2: recorded on a shockingly good week. We've all been in

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Speaker 2: a real downswing since the election, but some great news lately.

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Speaker 2: A thing happened that we probably shouldn't joke about, but

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Speaker 2: you know what it is. Bashar al Assad fled Syria.

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Speaker 2: Nick Fuintes got arrested, and our guest today is one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite people, someone that the audience has not

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Speaker 2: met before, but someone who has been a friend of

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Speaker 2: mine for like fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Human I have told some stories about this great human stuff,

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Speaker 3: a great human my humanitarian friend Greasy Will Greasy with

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Speaker 3: a Z Grammy Award winning.

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Speaker 4: Audio engineer and proof that you can accomplish great things

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Speaker 4: with of a brain.

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Speaker 2: For the album we won that Grammy before the album

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Speaker 2: Michael by Killer Mike. My audience will also know you

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Speaker 2: as the other person in that story where I had

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Speaker 2: a light bulb fight in Santa Monica.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, amazing times.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 5: You and I had some adventures and you know what's

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Speaker 5: cool is like, I mean, you know, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 5: my best etiquette today because I am a Behind the

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Speaker 5: Bastards fan, Because you know, I listened to this show

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Speaker 5: because it's like hanging out with my friends still. You know,

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Speaker 5: It's like it's like every day that we've ever been together.

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Speaker 5: It's like like Robert gets im like, hey man, you guys,

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Speaker 5: you guys ever heard that story about the Egyptian guy?

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Speaker 4: No, tell me more, tell.

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Speaker 2: Me more about this fucked up dude.

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Speaker 6: And we had a lot of conversations about when we

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Speaker 6: were going to introduce you to the behind the Bastard's audience.

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Speaker 6: And I have made a request for three separate topics,

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Speaker 6: and I have never told people those three topics that

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Speaker 6: I have requested Robert to write about, but one of

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Speaker 6: them is today, and I desperately wanted you on these episodes.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very, very excited about this.

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Speaker 2: As a representative of the hip hop and it's appropriate

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Speaker 2: that we are gathered here today to talk about p Diddy.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, John Buffy Coles.

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Speaker 5: It has been an amazing opportunity to be here for

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Speaker 5: this because you know, there's a certain thing and I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna try and be careful today because like there's when

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Speaker 5: you're in the industry as deep as I am fifteen

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Speaker 5: years into doing this, it is it's damn near impossible

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Speaker 5: to miss the rumors, right, It's like and I actually

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Speaker 5: had a huge viral like TikTok right at the beginning

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Speaker 5: like ten million views because I was like, immediately, I

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Speaker 5: was like, uh, did he's go down, dude, Because there's

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Speaker 5: certain people in the industry You've heard so many things

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Speaker 4: His finger out or whatever, yeah, you know, it is going.

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Speaker 5: To start uncovering ridiculous things. And I even said at

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Speaker 5: the moment, I was like, if the tabloids are starting

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Speaker 5: of time before the Feds get involved. Like the Feds

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Speaker 5: don't like looking stupid, they don't like looking bad like that.

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Speaker 5: And when somebody is sex trafficking across countries.

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Speaker 2: I'm not laughing at the sex trafficking.

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Speaker 4: He got caught, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's like you you gotta know, it's

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Speaker 5: like this was coming, it was going to happen, and

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Speaker 5: when it opened up when the dam opened up, it was.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, let's see what happens. Let's see yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: At one point Robert was like, he had new baby goats.

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Speaker 6: What kind of goats were they?

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Speaker 2: That is the story that opens this podcast. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because you started by being like in the industry, I've

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Speaker 2: been hearing fucking rumors about p Diddy for years, well,

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Speaker 2: roughly a year ago. My goat had little baby goats,

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Speaker 2: historic dictators because it amused me to have to, for example,

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Speaker 2: give him a mirthful name, and I told Sophie, my producer,

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Speaker 2: I'm not call him P Diddy.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Let me say here. I'm not a pop culture guy.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know anything other than like P Diddy was

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Speaker 2: like a rapper, I actually didn't realize how into gangster

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Speaker 5: His image has never particularly been gangster rap, like not,

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Speaker 2: Since he was having people killed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he definitely took more mogul. Yes, absolutely, that

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Speaker 5: the alcohol so rock, He's got you know, he's got this,

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Speaker 5: Like he definitely shifted like ice Cube did to Disney movies.

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Speaker 5: Like it was like that immediate, like oh man, you

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Speaker 4: Shoes you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, so so like that was I was like,

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Speaker 2: I was just named p Ditty.

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Speaker 4: That's a fun name, right.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Anyway, Sophie did her job, which is to dive

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Speaker 2: and yeah and and said, no, you cannot name your

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Speaker 4: It took a minute. It was gonna take them in.

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Speaker 6: It did not take It was a well known secret.

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Speaker 6: Most of my entire life living in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: I had missed it. Yeah, everybody, everybody.

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Speaker 5: If you're like in a certain like kind of scene

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Speaker 5: and it's like sometimes it's secondhand sometimes, but it's like

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Speaker 6: You know, or or famously, don't go to a Didty party.

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Speaker 5: Don't don't go to a Ditty Party, Don't hang Out

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Speaker 2: I had even watched earlier this year that movie Blink

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Speaker 2: it's supposed to be about Ditty, Like this was a

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Speaker 2: veiled way of talking about this guy. So if you

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Speaker 2: is and get to do what he did for so

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Speaker 2: long without having a downfall? And we are going to

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Speaker 2: answer that question and more this week on Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 2: a podcast about people I almost named goats after.

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Speaker 4: And we're back. So.

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Speaker 2: Sean John Combs, which is kind of Sean John, which

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Speaker 2: make later, was born on November fourth, nineteen sixty nine,

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Speaker 2: in Harlem, New York. He was the son of Janis Combs,

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Speaker 2: of his childhood. His father, Melvin Earl Combs, had served

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Speaker 2: drug dealer. He also he worked for a guy named

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Speaker 2: Frank Lucas. Does the name Frank Lucas mean anything to y'all?

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Speaker 4: No, he is.

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Speaker 2: If you've seen American Gangster, that's the guy Denzel plays

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Speaker 2: American Gangster. Sean's dad works for a very serious gangsters

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Speaker 2: like played by Denzel. Serious, right, it's as a side.

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Speaker 2: If your goal is to make a movie about like

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Speaker 2: crime is bad, don't have Denzel play. That's just gonna

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Speaker 2: make me want to be a gangster. Everyone wants to

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Speaker 2: Aaron Taylor Johnson of situation. You know, you gotta get like,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Denzel is so handsome.

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Speaker 2: Where do they do it? It was like the Gladiator

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I was like, he is a good guy.

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Speaker 4: I'm supposed to like this guy? Is he bad? I'm

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Speaker 2: Man, it's Denzel. He's wearing purple. What's not to like?

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Speaker 4: He looked regal as fuck.

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Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, man, I just he should

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Speaker 2: So Tragically, Melvin Colmes was never played by Denzel in

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Speaker 4: Shaw. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is uh Diddy's dad. That

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Sean is two years old at the time,

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Speaker 2: so he never really knows his father. As a little boy,

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Speaker 2: his dad's death served as a constant reminder of the

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Speaker 2: consequences of crime as a lifestyle, or at least that's

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Speaker 2: because again, very involved in crimes, you know, seems.

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Speaker 5: More like it was like a lesson on, like, don't

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Speaker 2: Be the guy who Denzel winds up playing right. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: at the couple levels.

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Speaker 4: You know you got you got some more wiggle room

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Speaker 4: up there, uh huh yeah. Don't be a private, be

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Speaker 2: So his mom moved the family out of Harlem not

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Speaker 2: long after Melvin's death, taking them to Mount Vernon, a

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Speaker 2: suburb of in Chester County. Now, as an adult, going

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Speaker 2: by the name P Diddy, Sean would make a lot

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Speaker 2: of statements about the poverty he was raised in, because

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Speaker 2: if you are coming up in hip hop in the

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Speaker 2: way he did, you want to like act like you

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Speaker 2: came from a really hard back.

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Speaker 5: Sure, I mean this is we will probably talk about this,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure eventually at some point, but like this is

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Speaker 5: the Tupac thing, Like he went to he went to

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Speaker 5: like a performing arts school.

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Speaker 4: Like he didn't grow up.

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Speaker 5: I mean, his mom was a revolutionary you know, activist

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Speaker 5: that East Coast West Coast beef that he gangstered up hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Whereas I mean, we're going to talk about Biggie.

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Speaker 2: Biggie does come from like a rough background, like.

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Speaker 4: There will be a lot of other stories like that.

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Speaker 2: It when your kid says he wants to be a CEO. Look,

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Speaker 2: And in other recitations he's less specific. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: This apparently inspired him to seek wealth and success. Quote

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, for sure, that one SoundBite that grabs you

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Speaker 2: You're never gonna be anything.

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Speaker 4: You never make it.

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Speaker 2: Diddy would later claimed that the memory of this herowing

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Speaker 2: Still to this day, whenever I get comfortable, I just

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Speaker 5: I mean, like that is often, you know, whether true

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Speaker 5: The great equalizer, you know. It's like you could be

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's I mean, like everything it becomes

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's that's absolutely like a lot of people have had

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Speaker 2: interesting that, like his connections with financial despert are not direct,

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Speaker 5: That's definitely a market he has, is like the inspirational

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's not Also that's not exclusive to him.

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Speaker 5: That's a lot of rap as well, you know, Like

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Speaker 2: So and I'll even say that's not you know, that's

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Speaker 2: like you know, power of positive thinking, like hustle culture

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just to tag onto that, I literally was

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's just that's just the way you like

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Speaker 2: He wanted expensive sneakers and his mom wasn't like, no,

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Speaker 2: we don't have the money. His mom was like, no,

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Speaker 4: Like it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't my mom being like, we could go to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's less.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot less inspirational to be like my store,

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Speaker 2: when I grow up, right, Like, that's not an inspirational story.

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Speaker 2: That's not like, yeah, nobody's gonna put in the biopic

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Speaker 2: you know, the music swells and you get a fucking razor.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, one thing that we can definitely mark as

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Speaker 2: He will always say I was gonna be in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I was good enough to be in the NFL. He'll

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Speaker 2: He's not a big guy, but there's there's positions for

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Speaker 4: Sure, for sure.

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Speaker 6: Just to say, for the record, the amount of men

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, sir.

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Speaker 4: It was so funny.

439
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 5: He started off saying he was gonna be he was

440
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 5: scouted to be the quarterback at USC and when everybody

441
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 5: was like, dude, you were not scouted to be the quarterback.

442
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 5: That's a prestigious position. We could have we would have

443
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,639
Speaker 5: seen that. You would have been like in the news

444
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 5: and shit like that's a big deal. And he was like,

445
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 5: I didn't say quarterback. I said cornerback.

446
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 4: It was like that was that was his way out

447
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 4: of it, man, cornerback. Yeah, one dude.

448
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 5: I remember he used to he had like one of

449
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 5: his pecks was bigger than the other, and he said, yeah, man,

450
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,239
Speaker 5: I was I was gonna play quarterback, and and my

451
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 5: coach always had me benching one side only, you know,

452
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 5: And that's why I.

453
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 4: Was like, what, no way would do that? No one.

454
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 5: So I kind of got every guy in the entire world,

455
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 5: if they played sports for like five seconds, has like.

456
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 4: A oh it's almost you know, story could have been great.

457
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 4: Then I broke my leg. I ran for twelve touchdowns.

458
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 6: If you've ever done that to me?

459
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 5: Just no, I was like, bullshit, Yeah, there's a certain

460
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 5: inner bullshit detector. I feel like you definitely have, like

461
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 5: you kind of like it's like the Sophie I roll

462
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 5: where it's just like huh yeah, like just yeah yeah,

463
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 5: that right there, the smirk and the.

464
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 4: Uh huh yeah. Sure yeah.

465
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 2: It's a crucial life skill to develop.

466
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 4: Sure you've won a Grammy. I bet you have. That's

467
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 4: why you keep it directly behind you. Man.

468
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: Now, I will say whether or not he was almost

469
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: in the NFL. His team was very good. They won

470
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: the division title in nineteen eighty six. I think when

471
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 2: he's a junior, so like, he does play on a

472
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: very good team. I'm sure he was not bad at it.

473
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: I just don't know that he was in the NFL.

474
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 2: That said, he does break his leg in his last

475
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 2: year of high school badly on the field, which ruins

476
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 2: his pro dreams. Now Man, As a fun aside, will Well,

477
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: I was read here and I love this.

478
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 6: Well.

479
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: I was researching these articles. I found an old twenty

480
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: twelve interview in The New York Times with Diddy. This

481
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 2: is back during his you know mogul, you know, generally

482
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 2: popular phase, and the the article was about a movie

483
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: that he had helped produce called Undefeated. This was based

484
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: on an Oscar nominated documentary about a real life high

485
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: school football coach named Bill Courtney, who was apparently pretty good.

486
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 2: I don't know much about high school football coaches.

487
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 4: You're from Texas. How do you not know much about

488
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 4: high school?

489
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 2: Like I developed, I fucking played high school football for

490
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 2: middle school. I forget which year I was in football,

491
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 2: but I played football.

492
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 4: I did a sport once.

493
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not almost in the NFL.

494
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 4: It wasn't as fun as drugs.

495
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: So now that I could have gone pro in will

496
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 2: yet I could have been. I really could have been

497
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: in the in the NFL of drugs.

498
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I still feel like I have a chance.

499
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 5: Like I feel like I got like a field of

500
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 5: dreams chance in fact, you know, like.

501
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: I do, I do want to see the field of

502
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: dreams of drugs. It's like they put up a table

503
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: in a field and just like drugs start materializing. Fucking

504
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: John Belushi walks out of a cloud.

505
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 5: Willie Nelson is like he's not even dead, but he's

506
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 5: the guy that gets to walk back on the field

507
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 5: and get younger.

508
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 4: He's the Ray Liota and he.

509
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: Dick pulls himself off out of a sewer.

510
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 5: Oh my god, they will come.

511
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 4: The biggest bong ever and just like a table of cocaine.

512
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: Oh, we could make this movie.

513
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 4: So I feel like someone is going to rip this

514
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 4: off from us. We better act quickly.

515
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: Back to this story, So did he produces this movie

516
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: or helps to produce this movie about this high school

517
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: football's coach named Bill Courtney, And he's interviewed in the

518
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: Times about it. And in the interview, Colmes talks about

519
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: his own football experiences in high school, and he laments

520
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: I didn't have a coach like Bill Courtney who stood

521
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: by me and helped motivate me in everything I was envious.

522
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: To be honest, he's kind of insinuating that a better

523
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: of coach might have helped him overcome his broken leg

524
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 2: or whatever.

525
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 4: Anyway he could have healed me with his witch doctor. Ways, right, right,

526
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 4: right anyway.

527
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: The best part of that interview, though, is that Colmes

528
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: was working as a producer on the remake of that

529
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 2: documentary with the Weinstein Company, and the interview with him

530
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: in the Times includes this line. Next quote, Combe said,

531
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: he and Harvey Weinstein had been trying.

532
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 4: To do something together for seven years.

533
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, bro, bet you guys were Yeah, I bet

534
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 2: you projects you were in on.

535
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.

536
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 5: It is almost like I hate whenever people start like

537
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 5: because like every time some of this stuff comes out,

538
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 5: you know that like a certain person's like a grease back,

539
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 5: then every person that's ever been in a picture with

540
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 5: them is suspect, you know, And it's like this, and

541
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, but like not all those people are

542
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 5: actually doing bad shits, are just taking advantage of somebody's

543
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 5: like status to up themselves a little bit or meet

544
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 5: people or what.

545
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: But also, yeah, a lot of times they are.

546
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of times the whole Harvey Weinstein connection

547
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: maybe should have been a sign.

548
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of times they're absolutely running a fucking

549
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 5: little circle jerk over there with each other.

550
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 6: You know.

551
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

552
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now it was during Shawn's high school years that

553
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: he first actually you know what, speaking of Shawn's high

554
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: school years, you know it'll help you get through high

555
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: school drugs well and the backs and services that support

556
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: this podcast. Fair enough, uh, and we're back. I hope

557
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: you've all graduated and you are ready for the rest

558
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: of the pod.

559
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 5: And don't join the military like I did, because it

560
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 5: is not going to be a good idea.

561
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 4: When you graduate, man, do anything else.

562
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: But the recruiter says, I can even pick my mos.

563
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 4: Did I ever tell you that.

564
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: I had a friend that thought he was joining the

565
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 5: Marine Corps snowboarding team. His recruiter literally showed him pictures

566
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 5: of dudes on snowboards and was like, yeah, man, if

567
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 5: you he was like from Colorado and he thought he

568
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 5: was joining it.

569
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 4: Like he was like two weeks into being in the fleet,

570
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 4: and he was like, so, when does the snowboarding guy.

571
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 5: From the snowboarding team gonna like hit me up? Or

572
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 5: like how do I get over there? Like, bro, we

573
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 5: are deploying for our recket, like seven minutes.

574
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: You are not going to the Marine Corps. There isn't

575
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 4: even a Marine Corps snowboarding team.

576
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: There ought to be like an Olympic for a military

577
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: recruiter lies, Oh my god, one's up there.

578
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 4: Oh my god, there's so many hoops.

579
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 5: I had another friend who literally the recruiter he came

580
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 5: in and he was like, yeah, man, I want to

581
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 5: be the in infantry.

582
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: He's like, and the recruiter like like slow played, and

583
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 4: he's like, well, I don't know, man, it's it's pretty exclusive.

584
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 4: And he got on the phone with like his master

585
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: sergeant in the back room.

586
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: He's like a car dealer being like my boss agreed,

587
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna we never do this.

588
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: We're gonna do what we can for you. We're gonna,

589
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 4: you know, we're gonna hook you up. Man.

590
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 5: You seem like a pretty pretty wise individual, you know, really,

591
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 5: you you belong up in infantry.

592
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: Man.

593
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can get you in man.

594
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: Fuck.

595
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: So it was during Sean's high school years that he

596
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: first acquired the nickname Puffy, and we have two different

597
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: stories for how that happened. Here's the first, as related

598
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: in an article on Hip Hop Insider. He used to

599
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: puff out his chest to make his body seem bigger,

600
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: which is where the name originated.

601
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: Maybe that's true, that's what his mom said.

602
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 5: I remember seeing his mom in an interview that said

603
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 5: the same thing that that's where it came from.

604
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: That he used to because he wasn't a big dude.

605
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: Back to the point earlier.

606
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: And there's a slightly different story that he told in

607
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight to Jet magazine. Whenever I got mad

608
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: as a kid, I used to always huff and puff.

609
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: I had a temper. That's when my friend started calling

610
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: me Puffy. Yeah, but you know they're not necessarily.

611
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, they're not at odds with each other.

612
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 5: That might be like, yeah, yeah, it's like.

613
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 4: He's like one of those fish.

614
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, anytime he's threatened, he gets.

615
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: Big oh Man and puffer fish. Infamous sex criminals. Do

616
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: not let your friends go home alone with a puffer fish.

617
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 5: I remember that in Finding Nemo. That was one of

618
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 5: the subplots of Finding You. Was that puffer fish for

619
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 5: sex criminals?

620
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I used past. There's sex past, sex pests.

621
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

622
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: So with football out of the way, young Sean leaned

623
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: into the other less discussed aspect of his personality, which

624
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: was that he was kind of an artsy theater kid.

625
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: Did He had a reputation at his private school for

626
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: being neatly dressed, and in college for wearing designer clothes,

627
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: which he funded through a variety of legal entrepreneurial ventures.

628
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: For example, in between classes this is again when he's

629
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: at college. He's at Howard University, he would operate a

630
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: shuttle service to the airport, and he would also sell

631
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: his old term papers, t shirts and soda to his classmates.

632
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: So again entrepreneur but not exactly a gangster. Roe Ronan's

633
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: book Bad Boy, which covers Ditty's influence on the hip

634
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: hop industry paints a picture of a young man who

635
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: was beyond everything else an opportunist. At one point, while

636
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: he's in at Howard, there's this massive protest campaign on

637
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: the campus over the presence of Lee Atwater on the

638
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: university board of trustees. And again, Howard is a historically

639
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: black university. Lee Atwater is the author of the Republican

640
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: Party's infamous Southern strategy, which I cannot run late directly

641
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: to you without using the N word repeatedly, like.

642
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 5: You had me at a Republican party.

643
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 4: I was there, I was there already. You're just edging

644
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: me from there.

645
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: The basic idea of the strategy that Lee Atwater helps

646
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: put together is that you can't campaign in nineteen sixty eight.

647
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: Before sixty eight, you can campaign by just screaming about

648
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: black people and saying you want to hurt them. Right

649
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: by sixty eight, you can't do that, So you have

650
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: to instead campaign on issues that will hurt black people,

651
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: but you can pretend aren't racist, like fiscal conservatism cutting

652
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: programs that help Black Americans without calling them slurs. Right,

653
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: that's Lee Atwater. So obviously Howard University students are like,

654
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: the fuck is this guy doing on the board of trustees.

655
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 5: Hey, bro, you you've got your hood many Yeah, that.

656
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: Is essentially the tenor of the protest campaign. Now, Sean's

657
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: peers rightly thought it was fucked up for this guy

658
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: to have a seat on the Howard board, and they

659
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: do win. I'm going a spoiler heat. He winds up

660
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Speaker 2: leap stepping down.

661
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: Man every now and then plugging a CEO and broad

662
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: daylight the city street does something right. Protest work.

663
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: Protests can work. So there's this big protest campaign. There's

664
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Speaker 2: like clashes with riot police, they occupy buildings on campus.

665
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: It's a whole thing.

666
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 5: How far you have to go to get one white

667
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 5: man fired from right fired?

668
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

669
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: In the book it was all a dream. Culture journalist

670
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: Justin Tinsley writes this of sophomore Sean Colmes's involvement in

671
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: this protest campaign. For Colmes, the student protests in the

672
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Speaker 2: spring of eighty nine presented an opportunity to unite the

673
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: student body and put some money in his pockets. At

674
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: the same time, Colmes took images from the protests, photos

675
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: of students and police clashing and students being whisked away,

676
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: and printed up some posters and he like sells posters

677
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: based on this. He's like, he's a profiteer.

678
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah yeah.

679
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: A write up by Chris Malone goes further. Future producer

680
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: and co worker of Ditty's Derek d Dot Angeletti was

681
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: at Howard at the same time as Ditty and saw

682
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: how he made a quick buck from the protests. In

683
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: the two thousand and three Notorious Big documentary Unbelievable, he

684
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: spoke about Diddy's photo enterprise during the protests. He made

685
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: hundreds of them and sold them for ten and fifteen

686
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: dollars a piece. Angeletti said, that's the type of guy.

687
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: I saw all this protest shit as well and good,

688
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: but he was getting paid off it.

689
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: He was ready. Yeah, this is the eighties. Yeah, eighty nine.

690
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I mean yeah, so ten to fifteen bucks,

691
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 5: that's that's a lot of money too. That's that's not

692
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: cheat Like we think of ten teen to fifteen bucks now,

693
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: but in eighty nine, ten to fifteen bucks, Like.

694
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like seven hundred, eight hundred dollars.

695
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot more money, whatever the math works

696
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 4: out to.

697
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: But yes, absolutely, yeah, this was back when a dimebag

698
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: cost ten dollars.

699
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that wasn't cheat.

700
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it used to be iron We used to be

701
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 5: a country.

702
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: We had onions and our belts.

703
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: It was his style at the top of yeah. Amusingly enough,

704
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, did he made statements in

705
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: support of another protest movement at Howard, promising I got

706
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: y'all back and saying, do what we did and take

707
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: it over. Let's go and do it in a peaceful way,

708
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: but do it. And again, you did not take anything over.

709
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: You sold pictures of people doing that.

710
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: Like we were.

711
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 5: Looking back through a lens, so it's easy to like

712
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 5: see like like, oh, he probably was kind of but

713
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 5: you want to believe that. Like any when you heard

714
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 5: this earlier, you know, did he telling this story, you

715
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 5: were like, yeah, yeah.

716
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: Good for you speaking up for the kids.

717
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you.

718
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 5: Did it, man, But like and then like hearing it

719
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 5: in retrospect, he's just like you know, you know, everything

720
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 5: that he did was slimy.

721
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just always pulling an angle.

722
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: He was almost facing a riot line to get at

723
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: water fucking fired.

724
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: Right.

725
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: If you're one of those, if you or your parents

726
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: did good for them, that's.

727
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: Pretty cool man. Yeah.

728
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: So a good deal of our knowledge of college age.

729
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: Did He comes from Derek Angeletti, who I quoted earlier.

730
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: He's the guy who described young Puffy as a flashy guy.

731
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: Quote he was always out at the clubs and the

732
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: young girls loved him. That's a creepier line in modern context.

733
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 2: He'd be in the middle of the floor doing all

734
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: the new dance moves, and his style of dress was

735
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: a little more colorful Boulder. Everyone took notice of this cool,

736
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: overconfident young dude. I was DJing at the time, and

737
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: one night he came up to me and said, I'd

738
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: like to throw a party with you. You're pretty popular, And

739
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: that's kind of how did he did. He's really good

740
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: at recognizing people that other people like. That's his primary talent.

741
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: He becomes a billionaire off the basis of that.

742
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: You will definitely see, especially in the music industry, there's

743
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 5: so many there's such a wide ranging culture of that

744
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 5: being the thing.

745
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 6: You know.

746
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 5: It's like the lou Pearlman or the or the or

747
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 5: you know, or the Ditty or the jay Z with Rockefeller,

748
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 5: you know' rock Nation. You know, it's like all these

749
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: different organizations that's what they're looking for. All the time

750
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 5: is like who is the thing that other people can

751
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 5: look at? And because like that's what it takes you

752
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 5: have to have. You have to have a stable of

753
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 5: people for everything. To have a party, you got to

754
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: have the best caterer in the world, but you also

755
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 5: got to have the best DJ, and you also got

756
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 5: to have you know, it's like that's what all those

757
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: people are the best at, is collecting a whole bunch

758
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 5: of the best ofs that they know.

759
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's like, I mean, honestly, like that's that's

760
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: also just an entertainment industry thing, Like you know, Sophie

761
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: and I that's a skill we have in a different way, right,

762
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: Like you.

763
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 4: Got a stable of really cool podcasts.

764
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: A year or so ago, I'm reading this ed Zitron

765
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: guy and I'm like, I bet he could be a podcaster,

766
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: you know, Like that's just that is just kind of

767
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: the industry too. That's like how you you know, and

768
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: and he's going did He's gonna be one of the best.

769
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 5: Day you will unify the entirety of all podcasters in

770
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 5: the world takeovers.

771
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: So we're starting the East Coast West Coast podcast rivalry.

772
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: Get d and shot in a fucking conflict with one

773
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: of the NPR guys.

774
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 5: Oh man, another movie idea.

775
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: You guys are great movie. I'm making ed the Biggie

776
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: Smalls of podcasts. Sorry man, you cooked enjoy the next

777
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: couple of years. Buddy so Combs took things a few

778
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: steps further than most people who throw popular parties on

779
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: campus by sometimes successfully convincing or paying celebrities to show up.

780
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: He included his name on flyers with their name, which

781
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: is part of how he would brand himself. Right, you're

782
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: attaching yourself to celebrity. You're also just making sure everyone

783
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: who goes to this huge party with like fifteen hundred

784
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: people knows that's a diddy party.

785
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, Reputation is everything.

786
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: That and he he's good at reputation management. He prints

787
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: business cards for himself that he hands out. They have

788
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: his name engraved on them as Sean in parentheses puff

789
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: Combs just one fu. So he's still working on the nickname.

790
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 6: Right.

791
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 4: That's a bad that's a bad process.

792
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: It's a process.

793
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 4: Some stuff here, I knew you before you were greasy.

794
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: Well, his friends are like puff puff PuF.

795
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 4: There should at least be two f's.

796
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 5: It's like, damn near poof bro like, I don't know, man,

797
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 5: it's gonna be confusing.

798
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: Just a boardroom of guys. Yeah. Oh and that's one

799
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: of my one of my By the way, speaking of

800
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: like wasted o people are lying, one of my because

801
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 2: this this comes up periodically when people will like lie

802
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: about having been in the military or special forces. If

803
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: anyone ever tells you they served and they had a

804
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: really cool nickname.

805
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 4: Full of shit.

806
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody gets called the like the Avenger, your fucking

807
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: killer or whatever, like, no, it's always like sack.

808
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, like yeah, we're like two thumbs, yeah shit stained.

809
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're like, oh man, there's there's nothing about thumbs

810
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 5: that could have been a good story here.

811
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

812
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 4: So uh.

813
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: These parties with Diddy grow to be sizable affairs, but

814
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: the biggest of them was a homecoming event at a

815
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: Masonic temple fifteen hundred, which actually does sound pretty cool. Yeah,

816
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred attendees were expected, but Sean's marketing of the

817
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: event was so successful more than forty five hundred people

818
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: showed up, which causes a problem when three times as

819
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: many people show up, and this is going to be

820
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: a continuing problem for him. Angeletti later claimed, the DC

821
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: police shut down the whole block and brought out the dogs.

822
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: We had to get on our knees and beg them

823
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: not to lock us up, which again not super gangster.

824
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, getting on your knees and begging is exactly fuck

825
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 5: the police.

826
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 4: No, Biggie wouldn't have done that. I'll tell you that

827
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 4: Tupac would have shot those cops. Tupac would have shot

828
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 4: those cups.

829
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 5: And he wasn't even that gangster man, but he would

830
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 5: have shot them Cups.

831
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 4: Would have shot them cups. Man. We forget man.

832
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 5: This guy's hosting New Year's celebrationsanship, but that guy would

833
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 5: shoot some cops.

834
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: That guy was hardcore. Martha Stewart's friend Weekly parties were

835
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: all well and good for getting attention, but Sean wanted

836
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: much more out of life, and he quickly decided a

837
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: business administration degree from Howard wasn't going to get it

838
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: for him. So he drops out and he starts begging

839
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: record executives in New York for jobs, using his party

840
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: planning career as a resume. This did not work, but

841
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: when he reduced the request from job to unpaid internship,

842
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: he got a yes from Uptown Records's Andre Harrel. Now

843
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: this is not a guy I'd heard of before, but

844
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: Sheila Flynn for The Independent describes him as the man

845
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: who quote famously coined the term ghetto fabulous. So, yeah,

846
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: that's Andre Harrold. He's a big guy in the industry.

847
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: She describes his time interning for Uptown this way. Combs

848
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: initially commuted weekly between college and his hometown, working eighty

849
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: hour weeks as he literally ran to complete errands for

850
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: his record superiors, and it wasn't long before he quit

851
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: Howard altogether. By nineteen ninety one, Harold had installed him

852
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: as an A and R executive, and Colmes was forging

853
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: a reputation for identifying and molding top tier talent. So

854
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: he goes very quickly from unpaid intern to paid executive.

855
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: He's very good at this. He works like crazy, and

856
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: he's got an incredible eye for talent. And this is

857
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: also ninety one rap is exploding.

858
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and perfect timing for it all. Well there.

859
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 5: So just for there's an actual term for that in

860
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 5: the interest, called a runner. It's literally because you are,

861
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 5: in fact running for everything you do. You go and

862
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 5: get things all throughout the day. It's the first job

863
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 5: you do in almost any like music industry position. So

864
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 5: it's like, this is what I did. I was an

865
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 5: intern and then I became a runner, and then an

866
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 5: assistant engineer and then an engineer. But that's how you

867
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: like work up with and and it's crazy something that

868
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 5: people don't like. It's not like it's not like being

869
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 5: an actor, right, like doing some of these jobs, like

870
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 5: like what did he did here? Some of these jobs,

871
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 5: it's not like being an actor.

872
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 4: You get out here and.

873
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 5: You're competing against just like everybody working at every diner

874
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: in all of Los Angeles, right Like, doing some of

875
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 5: these specific jobs like a and rs or producers or engineers,

876
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 5: you can get into the industry and be one step

877
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 5: away from the top immediately. There's so many stories of that.

878
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 5: Is like you get it your first my first job,

879
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: I lived in Texas where we met. In Texas, I

880
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 5: was playing in a metal band and then I I

881
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I should maybe like do music for

882
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 5: a career. I went to school for nine months, graduated

883
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 5: from a tech school, and started at the biggest studio

884
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 5: in the world as a runner. But I was so

885
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 5: good because my background in the military and all this

886
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 5: stuff that I was in.

887
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 4: I was a runner for.

888
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 5: Like three weeks before I was like working for the

889
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: studio as an engineer, So it was like you're only

890
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 5: a very very short insert. It's like attacking the industry

891
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 5: from a secret angle because you can do things like

892
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 5: it's so fast. It's like your first job might be

893
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 5: working for the president of a label. You know, if

894
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 5: you have the right aptitude for the type of stuff,

895
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 5: it could happen just like that. Now, it's still competitive

896
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 5: in everything you know, and it's really hard, but it's

897
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 5: it's a different thing from like being like an actor

898
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 5: or a musician, where you're competing against thousands and thousands

899
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 5: of people in the same proximity trying to do that job.

900
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: It's kind of like a hack to get into the industry.

901
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: Well there you go, folks. You could have your own Grammy.

902
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: Well maybe even be a guest on this podcast.

903
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 5: More tips like this on my TikTok Greasy Wheel Music.

904
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: I don't have any tips for becoming a journalist or

905
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: a writer.

906
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 4: It's it's very.

907
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: Hard and it seems like no one's doing it anymore. Yeah,

908
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how it worked for us.

909
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 5: Get chat, GPT and just plug a subject in and

910
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 5: then post that.

911
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 4: On a website. That's there you go.

912
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: You're a type of the Lord of the Rings into

913
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: chat GPT and you too could be a novelist or

914
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: sued by the Tolkien estate either way, same def.

915
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

916
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: So he's you know, by ninety one, he's an A

917
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: and R executive, So he's he's doing he like. While

918
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: he does that, he continues throwing parties. He understands that

919
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: that's number one, that's how'm going to meet people. That's

920
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run into DJs, the people that I'm going

921
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: to like poach, you know, as talent. He would throw

922
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: what is described in one source as racially mixed daddy's

923
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: house parties for street kids and preppiest students from Columbia

924
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: University and New York University. And this is where that's

925
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: a Ronan who wrote a book about, you know, his

926
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: role in hip hop says quote that's where he saw

927
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: what fans were dancing to when wearing So this is

928
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: also how he stays plugged in. Now you know it's

929
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: I should say it's also how he's going to be

930
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: committing a lot of his sex crimes.

931
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: But we'll get to that in a minute.

932
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, daddy's house parties don't go great for a

933
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 2: lot of people. Oh yeah, you brought your soundboard. Two choices,

934
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: and he makes the choice next to kill nine people.

935
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: So he's twenty two years old.

936
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: He's going as puff with one F. He's a college

937
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: drop out and an employed record executive. And one of

938
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: the acts that Sean helps bring to prominence is Jordikey

939
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: j O R D E C. I.

940
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if jordanash the Gene company. Yes, yes,

941
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 4: he discovers that enough.

942
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: Jordikee is a an R and B duo who were

943
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: blowing up by ninety one.

944
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 4: Joas, Wait, what are you saying? Is it Jodasy?

945
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: It's jail Oh you're saying Jodasy.

946
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: I'll look it up. No, no, no, I can't No, no, no,

947
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: it's it's not it's not okay. So what's the name

948
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 4: j O R D No, No, no.

949
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 6: The way that Robert has it spelled, there's an R

950
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 6: in there. But I think I think Will is right

951
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 6: that it's Jodasy.

952
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: Is it Jodasy? Okay, Well we'll say it's Jodasy because

953
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: there's a duo duo. Yes, then that's then it's called look,

954
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: I don't know these but you know me and fucking

955
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: not sure it's a there's a D in there.

956
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know it could be.

957
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: I don't know Joasy so no, no, no, it is

958
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: it is.

959
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

960
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: Combs decided a good way to increase Jodas's visibility was

961
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: to throw a charity basketball game pitting two teams of

962
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: rappers against each other while fans watched. The event was

963
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 2: to be held in the City College of New York.

964
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: Jim once again did He did what he does best,

965
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: which is promote, and so a shitload of people show up,

966
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: in fact, several times as many people as can fit

967
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: in the actual gym itself. This becomes a problem because

968
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: Sean doesn't do anything but promote the event, and he's.

969
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 5: Set up any of the safety measures, any of the staff,

970
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 5: any of the bathrooms, none of that.

971
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: Now he has two of his assistants, who have never

972
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: run large gatherings do that, and he does not inform them.

973
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 2: By the way, every time I do something several times

974
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: as many people as we can actually support show up

975
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: could be a problem. He just has it, tells his

976
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: assistance to handle it, and then forgets all about it.

977
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: Largely because his attention is occupied by executing fraud at

978
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: the tune of tens of thousands of dollars because the

979
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: game had been advertised as a charitable event, but like

980
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: he hadn't told anyone what charity and actuality charity?

981
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, what kind of charity? You know?

982
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: As a kid with stuff that needs stuff, you know, yeah,

983
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: kid problems.

984
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 5: As someone who has been that assistant that had to organize,

985
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 5: like like I've been this guy. I've been this guy

986
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 5: that had to put together a house party with three

987
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 5: bands and like five hundred people show up and the

988
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 5: lapd is circling with a helicopter, and then I have

989
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 5: to be the representative of white people to go out

990
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 5: and talk to cops so that it's okay. You know,

991
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 5: one of the artists I used to work with, but

992
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 5: he used to always be like, yo, hey, the cops

993
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 5: are here, so yeah, you want to go You'll go

994
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: talk to him? Oh yeah, man, He's like, you know,

995
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 5: you speak like cops and like white people and stead of.

996
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 4: Like all right, I got it, I gotta go go

997
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 4: outside like skits.

998
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 5: Hey, gentlemen, how are you doing tonight? Oh yes, sir, absolutely, sir.

999
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 5: You know, like, oh, the dogs. You don't need those.

1000
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: So there's no beneficiary actually selected for this party, and

1001
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: for the more than twenty four thousand dollars in nineteen

1002
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: nineties money that had been raised for the event. Further

1003
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: blame for what's about to happen goes to the police

1004
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: on duty. Sean's assistance had only coordinated with Pinkerton's security

1005
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: guards hired by the university. Yeah, there's Pinkertons and everybody

1006
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: legendarily protective of people.

1007
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 4: They're safe and never hurt nobody them Pinkertons.

1008
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: And the university had increased to the number of security

1009
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: guards to twenty three because they started getting worried before

1010
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: the event. But the NYPD just sends a few guys,

1011
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: and when it becomes clear that more than twice as

1012
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: many people as expected showed up, the sergeant on scene

1013
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: doesn't call for backup until it's too late. Eventually there

1014
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 2: are like sixty something officers in attendance, but it takes

1015
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: a while, and the sergeant on duty also ignores repeated

1016
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: calls by the university, being like, there's way too many people.

1017
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: There's way too many people. You need to do something.

1018
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: There's going to be a riot, And in fact there is.

1019
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, they ignored the neighbors at our parties too, man,

1020
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: they just did not listen to them.

1021
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: So once it becomes clear because they have to tell

1022
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: this huge crowd most of you are not getting in,

1023
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: and then the crowd gets rowdy and violent and a

1024
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: riot begins. The NYPD officers who are there are as

1025
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: useless as the NYPD tends to be when therever they're

1026
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: actually needed for something, and things go very badly. At

1027
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: seven pm, with far too many people crowded into the venue,

1028
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: the single door they had been using to funnel people

1029
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: in was shut. Since that door was steel and at

1030
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: the bottom of a stairwell, with the crowd basically pushed

1031
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: up against it, it creates a solid barrier in a

1032
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: room that has four more people than are supposed to

1033
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: be in it. People panic and a crush develops. Dozens

1034
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: are injured, and nine young people are crushed to death,

1035
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: literally asphyxiated by the weight of the crowd. Medical exammers

1036
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: will note that like none of them had broken bones,

1037
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: they are just suffocated by the mass.

1038
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 5: I mean, for those of you know, like I have

1039
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 5: been to a lot of concerts, I've been into metal

1040
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 5: music like the Sometimes it feels kind of you know,

1041
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 5: like how could you be killed by a bunch of people?

1042
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 4: But like, if you have never seen a.

1043
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 5: Crowd or been in a crowd, like even I is like,

1044
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm a fairly large person myself, Like I'm

1045
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 5: not huge or anything, but like and I'm pretty okay

1046
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 5: with like bad situations. I've been in some crowd crush

1047
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 5: situations that have terrified me, wherea like this is like scary,

1048
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 5: like this has been If you've never been in those situations,

1049
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 5: it's really easy to understand if you have like what

1050
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 5: that's like. It's like it's like even a few hundred

1051
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 5: people can be like that, and you're talking about three

1052
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 5: times the capacity of a venue. You know, that's like

1053
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 5: so easy for a crowd to just crush the shit

1054
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 5: out of some people.

1055
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: It is like one of the best survival advice pieces

1056
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: I can give you is if you are ever in

1057
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: any kind of event and upon entering, you're like, your

1058
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: only way to get in is to push through a

1059
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: crowd of people with absolutely no gaps in it, and

1060
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: you immediately have like the hair stand up on the

1061
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: back of your neck and wonder, are there too many

1062
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: people in this room?

1063
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 4: Fucking back the hell out. Yeah, get out there is

1064
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 4: go absolutely is, and it's not a good idea.

1065
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: Don't fuck around with situations like that.

1066
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 5: Next thing, you know you're gonna be surrounded by a

1067
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 5: bunch of Juggalos and an ICP concert at the Electric

1068
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 5: Factory and feel really uncomfortable.

1069
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: So this is a horrible say again, nine people die

1070
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: because of this thing that Diddy has orchestrated.

1071
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: One e MT. This this is early, this.

1072
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 5: Is this is where more than one episode of this are.

1073
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: We there's two episodes. There's more deaths to come.

1074
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 4: There's two, there's two.

1075
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 6: But Robert, I kind of feel like we can do

1076
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 6: this as a three parter.

1077
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe we'll see one happened. Yeah. One

1078
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: e MT, who showed up on scene, described the result

1079
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: as a plane crash without a plane. There were bodies

1080
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: all over, people calling for help. That's a very bad

1081
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: way for your party to be. Although you and I

1082
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 2: have both thrown parties that I would describe as looking

1083
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: like a plane.

1084
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 4: Crash after its h for sure, cool plane crash.

1085
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 5: It's a very cool pane crash. You just feel like

1086
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 5: you're dead, like where people are like, man, that was

1087
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 5: the best night of my life.

1088
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like the plane crash in Yellow Jackets. I

1089
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: haven't finished Yellow Jackets. I assume it goes well for

1090
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: those well.

1091
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1092
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: This would mark the first time that Sean Colmes drew

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Speaker 2: media attention.

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Speaker 4: In a big way.

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Speaker 2: New York news Day was one of the papers who

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00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: first got reporters on scene, and years later one of

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Speaker 2: them are called being told by a colleague the organizer

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Speaker 2: was some guy called puff Daddy. In the days that followed,

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Speaker 2: it became clear that a substantial amount of the blame

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Speaker 2: for this disaster lay with puff Daddy, Puff Daddy, Puff Daddy.

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00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: A report compiled afterwards by the Mayor's office read mister

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Speaker 2: Colem spent little time making the actual preparation for the

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00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: game and delegated most, if not all, of the arrangements

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Speaker 2: to Lewis Tucker and Ta Getter, both of them claimed

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00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: to have no prior experience with such events. I found

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Speaker 2: a fun article in the Columbia Journalism Review by one

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Speaker 2: of the reporters who covered the crush, and this is

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00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: you know him writing after Diddy has been disgraced. His

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00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 2: piece ended with this line, I do remember thinking, man,

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Speaker 2: this puffy guy can't have much of a future after this.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you about America, my brother.

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Speaker 5: This is the thing though, too, is like it's like,

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Speaker 5: you know, that happened, right, But I can't tell you

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Speaker 5: how many events, how many things I've been to that

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Speaker 5: have been like, you know, thrown like this.

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Speaker 4: A concert.

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Speaker 5: It's like, dude, I've been at a fest which is

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Speaker 5: like a major concert that has felt like this, where

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00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 5: it's like they didn't plan this very well.

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Speaker 4: There's not enough things here. It seems dangerous.

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Speaker 5: And the fine line between man, we just pulled off

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00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 5: this crazy party, nine people died, is it's razor thin.

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Speaker 5: You know, there is sometimes where it's like this is

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Speaker 5: the coolest party I've ever been to, and then and

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Speaker 5: it doesn't go completely wrong, but it could have at

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Speaker 5: any time. One of those house parties we had, we

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00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 5: had two hundred people and they're raging in the living room,

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Speaker 5: and I thought for I started standing closer to the

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Speaker 5: wall because I was.

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Speaker 4: Like, this floor is gonna give out. Man, there's no

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00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: way it's get in bad life.

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Speaker 5: This house could not be designed to have this many

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00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 5: people jumping up and down like this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, a lot of being happy, especially

1135
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: like being happy about how you spent your twenties. Is

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00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: getting as close to that line as you can get

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Speaker 2: without crossing over into the killing nine people at City College.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, risking it. Yeah, I've been on

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Speaker 4: the edge.

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00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, the edge is a place, but it's also place

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00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: that's called the edge for a reason because sometimes.

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00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, hey man, you know sometimes you gotta

1143
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 5: get rid up to the edge and just.

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Speaker 4: Leave and laugh. Man. Yeah.

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00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: Hunter Thompson wrote eloquently about the edge and also diet

1146
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: unable to hold in his bowls.

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00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 4: So you know that is the consequence. It's not a

1148
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 4: long life.

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00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: It's not a long life. So because this is America,

1150
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: getting a bunch of people killed due to your own

1151
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: staggering negligence does not mean that you don't have it yet,

1152
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: none at all. And puff Daddy proves immune to consequences

1153
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: for his actions, even though again, every review of the

1154
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: disaster is like he he's to blame for a lot

1155
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: of this. Now again, I don't want to say all

1156
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: of it, because let's not forget the NYPD. Yeah, I

1157
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: also got those kids killed.

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Speaker 5: Look, there's never a time where the NYPD hasn't been

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00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 5: a little bit negligent in some people dying in New

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Speaker 5: York City.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's what they do best. That's part of

1162
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 4: their that's what they get paid for. Of course.

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00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the NYPD operates one of the largest surveillance apparatuses

1164
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 2: on the planet so that they can know more places

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00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: to get kids killed. So puff Daddy winds up testifying

1166
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: in court about the disaster when the families of the

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00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: dead and the survivors sued the college after a nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety eight court appearance.

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Speaker 4: So they didn't go after him at all, They just

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00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 4: went to college. No, go after the college.

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00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 2: I think at this point the college is who has money?

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00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 4: He's not right, Yeah, he's a kid. Yeah, yeah, good point. Yeah,

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00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 4: no reason to go after him. He's got Yeah, what's

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00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 4: he gonna do for you.

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00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: After a nineteen ninety eight court appearance, he told reporters that, like,

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Speaker 2: I think about it every day. I think about, you know,

1177
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: the dead every single day. You know, I'm always my

1178
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: thoughts are always with them.

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Speaker 4: Quote.

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Speaker 2: But the things that I deal with can in no

1181
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: way measure up to the pain that the families deal with.

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00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: I just pray for the families and pray for the

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00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: children who lost their lives every day.

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Speaker 4: So he literally wrote I'll be missing you like I'll

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00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: be about the.

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Speaker 2: People he got crushed to day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, all the every day man. Every time I pray, man,

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00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 4: I'm missing you. Yeah. He hit him early with that,

1189
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 4: he did right away. That always works for him. Get

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00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 4: the hits, man, play the hits.

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00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: I can't wait till we have our first dictator who

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00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 2: takes a note data, who like fucking like uses chemical

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00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 2: weapons on a crowd of protesters and is that then

1194
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: gets in like a studio and sings I'll be missing you.

1195
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: Pro tip for the future dictators who listen to this podcast,

1196
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: there's gotta be one of you and the bang are

1197
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: ready to go, have a banger, ready to go, and

1198
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: look if you do succeed in becoming a dictator, just

1199
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: give me a province. Just one province, is all I asked.

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00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: Hell you, I mean let me you know, I'll make

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00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: a golden house for my of course I'm gonna make

1202
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 2: a golden house, you know, but like it'll be it'll

1203
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: be gold plated. I'm not that much, does everyone does?

1204
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: You can bring your grammy over to my gold plated house.

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00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: Whoa man, it'll take shots out of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now speaking of I'll be missing you. I'm gonna

1207
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: be missing you all because this is the end of

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Speaker 2: part one. But don't worry, folks, we have a lot

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Speaker 2: more coming. This is this, This whole week is gonna

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00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: be Diddy Week here at behind the Bastard. Yeah, Diddy,

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Speaker 2: will my friend. You have a TikTok to plug.

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Speaker 4: I have a TikTok. I am Greasy Wheel Music. I

1213
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 4: have a podcast it's called that sounds about right. I

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00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 4: have a Instagram that you can find me Greasy. I'm

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00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 4: Greasy Wheel g r e A z y W.

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Speaker 5: I L one L because the second one wasn't pulling

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00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 5: any heavyweight and I decided I was wasting time doing it.

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Speaker 4: But no, so yeah, fuck that L. But I am

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00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 4: highly googleable.

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Speaker 5: I am all over the internet. I can be found

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00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 5: almost anywhere. You could even send a telegram to me. Still,

1222
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 5: I accept telegrams as long as they are Western Union

1223
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 5: and contain money as well.

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00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I send you telegrams, but entirely about

1225
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: our oil business down in the eras Zona territory.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I drank your milkshake. That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: That's how you and I spend our free time. Old

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Speaker 2: timey oilmen. It's a great time everybody. Well until next week, folks,

1229
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: become an old timey oil man yourself, you know, start

1230
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: a start an oil rig.

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00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 4: Somewhere next week.

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Speaker 2: Next part, next.

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Speaker 4: Part, yeah, next part. Not next week. We'll be back

1234
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: tomorrow probably anyway, minutes from now, just a minute. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna keep recording.

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Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, I love you all, go to hell.

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