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Speaker 1: R and B Money, Honey, we are thank take out

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Speaker 1: the child. We are the authority on all R and B.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank Who this the

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Speaker 2: Army Money podcast exquisite, the authority? Oh what on all

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Speaker 3: Uh, your musicianship, your professionalism, and your education is in

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Speaker 2: Yes it is. Because he's here? Who without? Who? Keep going?

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Speaker 2: Because he's here? Who he's here? Who the fuck is here? Robert?

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Speaker 2: Rob Ship Robert.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's paint the scene before we get into the test.

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Speaker 2: Let's paint the scene. Let's get into it. You win a.

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Speaker 1: Grabby fitty, right, you win his flip pace, his flowers celebration,

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Speaker 1: and then.

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Speaker 2: You look on social media you're big mangled by Team Breezy.

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Speaker 1: They on your shout out to a little brother, Chris

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Speaker 1: Broun shot the team your ass full transparency. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: how did Robert and coulds end up in the same

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Speaker 1: section at the club?

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Speaker 2: How does it even happen? And I'm sure Roberts sexual ladies.

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Speaker 2: What I don't want no bottles. I don't know bottles.

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Speaker 2: I don't want no bottle. I don't mean no one.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea I don't have to.

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Speaker 1: Give it to that. Explain, explain, explain your yeah, yourself

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Speaker 1: at the So the funny funny part is so.

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Speaker 4: That actually that actually happened with one of your friends

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Speaker 4: the first time I won R and BR by the year,

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Speaker 4: because I won it in twenty twelve, So let's just

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Speaker 4: be clear.

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Speaker 2: That's the second time.

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Speaker 4: So eleven years ago I won for Black Radio one

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Speaker 4: and I was up against Tyrese and I heard he

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Speaker 4: wasn't too happy about that. Somebody told me they were

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Speaker 4: with him at the Grammys and before they announced who

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Speaker 4: the winner is, he stood up, And that was before

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Speaker 4: I was on. I wasn't I didn't get on I

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Speaker 4: g T twenty sixteen or something like that. I wasn't

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Speaker 4: even on Twitter and stuff. But you know, but I'm

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Speaker 4: used to that makes sense, you know. Tyresee sings slow,

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Speaker 4: sultry music. He does implore the great musicians to do,

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Speaker 2: You're you're in that. So here's the thing. So here's

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Speaker 4: Me and Chris Brown were in the in the traditional

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Speaker 4: R and B category, right, that was that was a

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Speaker 4: category tradition.

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Speaker 2: He should have been in the progressive. He doesn't even

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Speaker 2: know what he wants. He's like, I think, what what?

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Speaker 4: No, because I have no because my other two, the

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Speaker 4: are both R and B songs. So I still have

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Speaker 4: two R and B song Grammys, and one of them

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Speaker 2: Of course, so I wasn't trying to do a bar.

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Speaker 2: I was just saying I have always have them. So

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Speaker 2: my brother, technically, I think we were in the tradition category.

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Speaker 4: Chris should have been in the progressive category, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean, because if you're really doing traditional, my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was traditional traditional. Now technically people are like,

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't have. I should have because that's the album idea.

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Speaker 4: I didn't R and B record, you know what I mean. Now,

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Speaker 4: I'm a jazz musician also, so when I do a

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Speaker 4: jazz record, unfortunately I'm not. Unfortunately, I go and it's

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Speaker 4: I mean. So these records are like R and B records,

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Speaker 4: I was prepared for Mary to win because her album

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Speaker 4: I even made a video saying all right, y'all, I'm

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Speaker 2: That's probably what you want, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: No, Honestly, like even when I won for Black Radio

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Speaker 4: got into argument because they wanted me to put it

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Speaker 4: I was a Jeniat beforehand in jazz records, but I

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Speaker 4: purposely went on to it with Maxwell for three years

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Speaker 4: I was in the R and B room for a

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Speaker 4: nine years since he started. We were the Calls Together. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So here's the question. Have you won a Jazz Grammy. No,

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Speaker 2: I've been nominated for Jazz Album of the Year. I

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Speaker 4: I've been nominated for Jazz Record of the Year, but

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Speaker 4: I've never won the first Grammy I ever won, no

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Speaker 4: I've I've also been nominated for Best Progressive.

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Speaker 2: Alternative.

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Speaker 4: When there was an alternative it was called Urban Alternative

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 2: There was an Urban.

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Speaker 4: Alternative before they put out because you know, the progressive

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Speaker 4: then they made a progressive category R and B progressive, you.

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Speaker 4: I pretty much opened that door. Yeah, just me trying

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine. That that was my first nomination.

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Speaker 4: And then that was basically out of the box R

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Speaker 4: because we were always putting a certain box. If you

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Speaker 4: like this, then you you can't Winogrammy.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. That's a big reason why

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Speaker 2: we wanted you here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you also represent other side of contemporary are

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Speaker 1: you know, they they were in a sense creating and

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Speaker 4: Because if you listen to it, it's not necessarily jazz.

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Speaker 4: Because they want to make everything I do jazz because

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Speaker 4: people tend to think everything I do is jazz. It's like, no,

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Speaker 4: everything is not all the way jazz. I'm a jazz

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Speaker 1: But also then I think that you know, I think

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Speaker 2: And so the.

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Speaker 1: People who are figuring out these these categories have to

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Speaker 1: what the very differences are. You have a full live

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Speaker 4: Mortin's album Live Musicians. I'm not the only one in

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Speaker 1: like that makes sense absolutely, But then you have Chris Brown.

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Speaker 1: Even even Mary I wouldn't put so much in that

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Speaker 2: She made R and B as we know it. But

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Speaker 4: Us because technically Mind is progressive too, because it because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's it's it's hard to it's still

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Speaker 1: Because if we're calling Chris Brown progressive, then your albums

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's progressive because most of its AutoTunes.

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Speaker 4: Also because of the production. It is more progressive, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean production production. First of all, let

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Speaker 4: me be clear, not that he needs it needs altitude,

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Speaker 4: but I know you said it's the texture, the sound

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean. But but it's it's so sonic.

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Speaker 1: But people in those rooms should know. It should if

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Speaker 1: through us and through.

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Speaker 2: Us promoting membership and being a part of it.

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Speaker 4: Now they just added another category. I believe it's for

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Speaker 4: me again. It's literally this new category just came, just came,

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Speaker 4: it's starting now. It's it's a category called.

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Speaker 2: What is it called I'll turn into something something something.

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Speaker 4: Basically, the category says a category that mixes jazz, hip hop,

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Speaker 4: R and B with vocals or without vocals, and basically

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Speaker 4: that that's what I am.

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Speaker 2: You it's me they that's what that's what it is. Section. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that team breezy because then it really don't jump you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: in that scenario though, I should have been on the

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Speaker 2: losing end of that. I should have been the one like,

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Speaker 2: why am I in? You know what I mean? Well,

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Speaker 2: we can't call that because Grammys is as we're you know,

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Speaker 2: Make the t shirts? Oh, absolutely sold out. I need one.

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Speaker 2: We never get host host. Oh you'll be invited now

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Speaker 4: your scores when you auditioned.

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00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: And they put me in.

438
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 4: Balaoup together on stage the very first day of school

439
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 4: and we did the song together.

440
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: And after that it was like, I'm sure you and

441
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: I had the highest school.

442
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: And after that, let's put the exceptional people and then

443
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: are you like whoever was in the crowd, he probably

444
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: wasn't you know what whatever, And it was like oh, oh, oh, okay,

445
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: so soon if one of our guests comes on, they

446
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I once in a new school, and

447
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: yeah I watched.

448
00:23:54,200 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: You weren't were your scores were scoring? The scores weren't

449
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: scoring or snoring scoring with snoring.

450
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: That I'm so tripped out right now about that eleventh

451
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: grade two hour billy holiday show.

452
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: Jennifer Holliday, I'm sorry that the chart after chart. Yeah,

453
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Speaker 2: that's great. That's crazy when I am telling you all

454
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: the things.

455
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Speaker 4: But the good thing about it is, since my mom

456
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 4: was a singer, I didn't heard all these heard before.

457
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 2: So here's the other part.

458
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Speaker 1: To the people you know, as you're as you're a

459
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: learned and study musician, you also.

460
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: Play by ear.

461
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: Absolutely started off because because that's because there's a difference, right.

462
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: I know a lot of guys who have the studied information,

463
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: but when it comes to feel.

464
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: It's gone, it's not there. It's just you don't believe them.

465
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I don't believe you. So did

466
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: you play for extra credit or did you get paid?

467
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: Oh?

468
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: The gig they called me from school, but now were

469
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: out of school with the gig is a gig. I

470
00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: got paid.

471
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: It's very few guys that I've seen with the education

472
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: and the feel like Tim Carmon in the field is

473
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: one of the first guys because we're all out of

474
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: the DC area that I saw that was like extremely studied,

475
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: Like you know, we're doing that dream Girl soundtrack and

476
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, yeah, I'm ready.

477
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're ready.

478
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: That's what I tell all the cats from church, just

479
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 4: so many, so many incredible, incredibly talented people. But if

480
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 4: you don't know how to read, you reach a certain feeling,

481
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: a certain ceiling, and that ceiling you can only reach

482
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 4: a certain amount of money. M you can't call yourself

483
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 4: the music director of this and that. If you don't

484
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: know how to read, pick up a book, you know

485
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 4: what I mean? You know I mean, now you can

486
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: finagle it. And if you know, if you got your friend.

487
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: That know how to write, you know right now to

488
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: transcribe for youscrib about thank you AI.

489
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, certain things, You got a

490
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 4: certain certain situation. You gotta know how to read, you

491
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 4: gotta know how to write, You got to know how

492
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 4: to do these different things, you know. So so yeah,

493
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: it's important. It's like I said, it doesn't ceiling your

494
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 4: reach where you just become the killing musician. Everybody's killing

495
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 4: now what everybody's good?

496
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? What else you got? You

497
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean? What else do you have? It

498
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: is my thing, wow, because if you don't even have

499
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: your own.

500
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: Sound, you just sound good. That goes with singing and playing.

501
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 4: You know, everybody sounds good now, that's the standard. If

502
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 4: you don't sound good, it's your fault. Now, especially with

503
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 4: all the information out there, all the tools out there

504
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 4: and just all the lessons you need are online. If

505
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 4: you suck, it's your fault, you know. But after you

506
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 4: learn the tools into your camera.

507
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: If you suck, you.

508
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: Suck, it's your fault. All the tools are out there

509
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 4: for you to be good at your instrument. Whatever youment

510
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 4: is your throat, your hands, whatever you do, all the

511
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 4: tools are out there. So if you're not at least good,

512
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 4: it's your fault.

513
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: Period. That's it.

514
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: Now that you can go further and everybody doesn't have

515
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 4: a sound, And that's what I look for when I

516
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: hear musicians or I hear singers, or like, what do

517
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 4: you what story are you telling? I've heard that story

518
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 4: before totally better than you, you know what I mean.

519
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: But if you're telling your own story, I can't hear

520
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 4: that before or like, that's your story to you. That's

521
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 4: why I I'll take a singer who's who's who has

522
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 4: something to say, versus the greatest singer who's sing what's

523
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: already been said. I don't care about that sounds the same,

524
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean that that that sound? You know,

525
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: that's what I was telling them about talking about you.

526
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: Why you wait trying to tell you Tank, that's one

527
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: of my favorite bro. That that that's just you and vocals.

528
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: That's it.

529
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: No auto tune, no producers messing it up, no sounds,

530
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 4: no nothing, just you and the keys, pure talent, pure

531
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 4: honest story. Every song's amazing. The singing, the songwriting, every

532
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: the plan, the plan, it's all great.

533
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: Bro, Yeah, it's incredible. I didn't want, you know. J

534
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: J forced me to do it good. Absolutely, that's what

535
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: That's the thing that nobody can't do that.

536
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: You called me one morning said, listen, Bro, this was

537
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: like the eighteenth idea because he's gonna get me with

538
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: twenty five singing.

539
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: The morning He's like, Bro, and you should do like

540
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: an EP you piano, like just.

541
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: Just rocket EP right, just right, now while the world

542
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: is down and everybody trying to figure it out. I said, Jay,

543
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't feel like doing the EP. I'm just chilling,

544
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: relaxing in the house, like I ain't bother nobody. No,

545
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: So I said no to like all eighteen ideas, right,

546
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 1: I'll call you late, all right, So we get off

547
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: the phone and I just.

548
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: Walk over to the piano.

549
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: And I just start playing music and I called Jay

550
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: back about fifteen minutes. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna

551
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: do it. I hear, I hear whatever you said. Jumped

552
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: into the universe and ran over to my house and

553
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: hit me over the head and said.

554
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's how I felt about Jamie Fox. I

555
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: want him to do that too. I said that for years.

556
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: Oh no, he would love to. I've never met him.

557
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: I just he would love to do that. He should do.

558
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 4: That's where he lives, that's where he lived in his

559
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: comedy shows he was doing because I remember the first

560
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: time he did when I saw him do that, and

561
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 4: he imitated blow at one one of those things. He

562
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 4: did a prince thing and then he went into a

563
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 4: blow yeah thing, and I called aloud, like, yo.

564
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: Jamie Fox is imitated He's like what I was like,

565
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: I was like, you made it. He's like, why that's

566
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: his voice? Boy? But when Jamie would do that the shows,

567
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh man, that's that's like, couldn't be

568
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: it's real. That's just that was his separation too, literally,

569
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: the separation from everybody because everybody's using the same tools

570
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: to make the same songs.

571
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 4: You're hearing the same songs over and over again, and

572
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 4: the same tools. When you're sitting at the pian just

573
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: you and your voice, you can't hide behind nothing at all,

574
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: none at all, nothing at all.

575
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: Okay, So Billy, I mean, Jennifer Holiday, the first gig,

576
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: your first big check, yep.

577
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: What's next after that? What does that lead you to?

578
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: So that led me to I mean, I still you know.

579
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: When I was high school, I was playing three churches.

580
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: I was playing seven Da Adventist Church on Saturdays Saturdays,

581
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: Catholic Church early Sunday morning, and then Baptist Church around

582
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: the corner from the Catholic Church at eleven.

583
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: How different is each church musically? Well, lucky for me,

584
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: all those three churches I played for were super hip.

585
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: It was like a movie.

586
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 4: The Catholic Church Saint Mark's shout out Kim Roych she

587
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: passed away, who's the choir director. She was a jazz

588
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: singer and the preacher, the priest love jazz, so we

589
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: would go in and switch up all the stuff into

590
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: jazzy stuff. So was it your normal kind of Some

591
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: things were normal Catholic church. Some of the hymns they

592
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 4: want to keep sacred, but most of the stuff we

593
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: tore it up.

594
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: Man.

595
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: And we would get invited to like different like you know,

596
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 4: choir choir, choir days or you know, choir concerts.

597
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Will be the only Catholic church there. Wow.

598
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: And then they were selling them like next Saint Mark's

599
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: Cothlic church. I'd be like Catholic church and we go

600
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: up there and get crazy.

601
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: And her husband was amazing bass players, Dereck royight Man,

602
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: he was oh man, we would kill him. It was

603
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: it was. It was crazy.

604
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: So anyway, that was my situation there was. It was

605
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: Dough and be Cox. I had him singing in every church.

606
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: He was in the choir at every church I played that.

607
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: He was in the choir. Say, he was every every church.

608
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: And his first gig on piano was because I couldn't

609
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: do the at his first gig on piano was at

610
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: my Catholic church because I couldn't do a Christmas program,

611
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 4: so I had to teach him Hallelujah, the Christy Jones version, whatever,

612
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: the well, all the different parts, you know, all that.

613
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: I have to teach Brian that on piano. Yeah, so

614
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: you can learn it and do the thing. So he

615
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 4: sucked for me. Yeah, sell from your church. That's a

616
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: hard song, it absolutely is. It's a lot, there's a

617
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 4: lot going on. It took yeah, so we worked on it.

618
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 4: It's a it's a monster of a song.

619
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, so we worked on that. I'm going to google it.

620
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: We worked on that.

621
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: But anyway, Yeah, I ended up going to New York

622
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: for college and then, like I said, me and Balad

623
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: on those stage the first to work together. I mean

624
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: to do a song together in college. And then right

625
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: after that, one of the one of the professors, just

626
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: like you guys, they would see us in a practice

627
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 4: room all of the time working together. Me and but

628
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: I started writing songs and stuff and you're like, yo,

629
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 4: you should do a demo. My friend has a studio,

630
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: so we started going up this guy's studio house around

631
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 4: the corner and we let a demo do a demo tape,

632
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 4: and allows management at the time took it to Jimmy

633
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: Ivan and they played them.

634
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: One of the songs we wrote in my dorm room,

635
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: a song.

636
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 4: Called what will You Call Jimmy I being played a

637
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: verse in the chorus of that signed him sign.

638
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: That's it. That was it. So he didn't come back

639
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: to sophomore year to school. So at that point we did.

640
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: His first album came out, and I was his music

641
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: director from that point on until like till I got

642
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: signed to Blue Note. I got signed to Blue Note

643
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: Records in two thousand and five.

644
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: Did you do any any songs on his albums? The

645
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: very first album? Yeah, I wrote. I wrote like two

646
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: or three songs on there, yep. And then yeah. Then

647
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: after that, you know, I got.

648
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 4: Signed started doing my own things around two thousand and

649
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: seven when I stopped paying below, but I kept playing

650
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: for a while.

651
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

652
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: And that was my chewing all over the world with

653
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: touring all over the world below opening up for Erica

654
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: I do in common because I was during the time

655
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: of the Neil Soldier.

656
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: This is like, yeah, this is likeety nine, you know

657
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: what I mean.

658
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: He took me to Jay Dilla's house when you know,

659
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: when Firs his first album, that was one of the

660
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: first person people they had him work with for his album.

661
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: So I got to go to Dila's house and work

662
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 4: with him on that and all that stuff. And and uh,

663
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 4: I used to go to the jam sessions with him,

664
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: the Roots, you know, play with the roots, you know,

665
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 4: because the Roots was in these jam sessions every week

666
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: at the spot called the Black Lily in Philadelphia. That's

667
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 4: kind of where that neo soul sound was born, you know,

668
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: in the Black Lively and Philly is this where Jill

669
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: Scott was the host yep, she would host it. That's

670
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: where I saw jazz intel of them. She was like

671
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 4: fourteen years old in the club smashing, smashing, smash. Who's

672
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: this little girl in here?

673
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: While she in here? And why she singing like that?

674
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

675
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 4: Smashing, you know, and uh, you know music soul child,

676
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 4: all the all the Philly you know. And I started

677
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: playing with the Roots from that because I used to

678
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 4: sit in and jam and they knew me as Bellows

679
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 4: jazz friend. You know, where's your jazz friend that you know?

680
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 4: So Amir started quest Love started, you know, calling me

681
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 4: to do shows with the Roots. So I started playing

682
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 4: with the Roots a lot, you know, cutting my teeth

683
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: with them. So that's kind of where I learned how

684
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: to play hip hop. So did you finish at the

685
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: new school or no? Did you leave too by the

686
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: skinning by the by barely finished? I finished, I wasn't there.

687
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: So you have a degree in piano. Yeah, but it's

688
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: it means nothing. No, no, no, you mean nothing. You

689
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: don't need it. Explain that, well, it's a bachelor's degree.

690
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: So with that, he just had a Mike Tyson moment. Scott,

691
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: it means nothing. It means nothing. I just metto.

692
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a bachelor's degree in jazz piano.

693
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 4: So it's like you're hung up at the house now.

694
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 4: I don't even know where it is. I've never touched

695
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: it except the graduation I touched it. I think my

696
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: dad has it somewhere. But it's you know, you don't

697
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 4: need it to do anything.

698
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: Because before you alluded to that college was just like

699
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: by the time you got to college, it was like

700
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: I was in my last.

701
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 4: Year of everything when I got to college because I

702
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 4: cancel it out of everything they had. So when you

703
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: give you the test as a freshman, to give you

704
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: a test for your placement, to see where they're going

705
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: to put you.

706
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: And I can't. I can't sit it out of everything

707
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: my first year. So I just I know all this. Yeah, literally,

708
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: So I just took a bunch of like film classes.

709
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: What is this?

710
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: Get this side of him? This is beneath me, This

711
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: is beneath me.

712
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: Whenever you need, you have to go into your African

713
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: when everything you're Royal African man.

714
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: Whenever something is beneath you can bring this to me.

715
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: This is you at at.

716
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: This is.

717
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: New school. Yes, this is a new school. You must

718
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: be new. This school is never going to let us.

719
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: Man, this is this is what we want to come.

720
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: We would love to go because we have no we

721
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: don't know what we knows. We don't we haven't canceled

722
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: out of anything.

723
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: We haven't canceled out of ship. I mean he's been canceled.

724
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: But I need your help take my kids maybe like

725
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: a week?

726
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, Wow, okay, so you plan will blow your

727
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: cutting your teeth. You're meeting everyone, but you still haven't

728
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: done a record for yourself. And this is you said

729
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: like a nine year seven seven nine year, I said, So.

730
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 2: I played this about seven years.

731
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 4: So I played with Bloud started, you know, we're in college,

732
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 4: and he got signed like ninety nine. Album came out

733
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: like two thousand and two thousand and one. Matter of fact,

734
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 4: it's right after d'angelo's album, the untitled. Right after that

735
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: come me and Bellowed snuck into the studio to watch

736
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 4: them make that because we were in the same and

737
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 4: we're at all that electric Lady blows the studio the

738
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: top of the cdoc Erica was doing Mama's Gun studio

739
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 4: B and d Angelo's at the bottom studio a recording. Yeah, absolutely,

740
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: So we used to go down and you know, sneak

741
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 4: in there and watch some of the recording sessions and

742
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 4: stuff while we were working on his record, you know,

743
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 4: finishing up his record. So it was around there, and

744
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 4: then I did a demo in like two thousand and two,

745
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: demo album called Mood, and then Blue Note signed me

746
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: in like two thousand and five, and then from there

747
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: I've been I was on Blue Note for to like

748
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen.

749
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: And you put out your first album one year two

750
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: thousand and five, first major album, was it? So was

751
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: that the demo you turned in or was it the

752
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: demo was it was on.

753
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: Another label from Spain called Fresh SAMs, another label from Spain.

754
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 4: It was called a label from Spain because they were

755
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: signing new artists. It was it was a jazz label

756
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: and they would come to New York and find young

757
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 4: artists who wanted the record and they'll pay you nothing,

758
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 4: barely anything, but they would You could do a record

759
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: and they'll distribute it and do the whole thing. Yeah,

760
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 4: So it was just like, oh, that's a business card.

761
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm glad you. I'm glad you mentioned that. Give us

762
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: the rundown of new artists new record deal in the

763
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: jazz space, is there is initially? Is their money there?

764
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: Hell no for three hundred police, Uh no, there's no

765
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: money in jazz, there's no. But there's barely a budget

766
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 4: to do the damn record really, so it's like it's

767
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 4: literally for the love, there's no there's no budge because

768
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 4: jazz musicians don't make people don't buy jazz even before

769
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: streaming and stuff, you know what I mean. Jazz was

770
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 4: such a small part of the of the whole pile

771
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: of music, you know what, I'm such a small part,

772
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: so you don't make a lot of money, and jazmugicians

773
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: weren't making a lot of money. There was a very

774
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 4: few who cut through and make a decent living, you

775
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 4: know what I mean. You know, but other than that,

776
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 4: you kind of like check the check and trying to figure.

777
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: That shape, you know what I mean. So, so it's

778
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: really about gigging. It was really about gigging a lot

779
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: as much as you can get that. That's what it's

780
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: about and the love of music. But you know, after

781
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: a while, you got kids, so do you have So within.

782
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: Those deals though, the way they're structured, are they are they?

783
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: Are they more artists friendly?

784
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: Though? Since there's no upfront money or is it still

785
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: a bad you know, royalty rate.

786
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 4: It's a terrible deal, bro It's nothing. It was, especially

787
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: back back then when you're first getting signed. Most jazz

788
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 4: musicians are just happy to get signed. You're just happy

789
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: somebody's gonna put your record out and distribute the distribute

790
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 4: that joint.

791
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

792
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 4: Like literally to make a jazz record back then in

793
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 4: two thousand and five, for sure, you know you're lucky.

794
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 4: If your budget's like twelve thousand dollars, what maybe fifteen

795
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. I think my first my first budget to

796
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: make the album, to make the whole album, because you

797
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 4: make an album in like a.

798
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 2: Day, maybe two days.

799
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: And to survive too though, Yeah, that's all, that's everything,

800
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: because you gotta have gigs.

801
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: You got to.

802
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 4: That's why most jazz musicians it's hard to rise to

803
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 4: the top because when you when you do get a

804
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 4: record deal, they don't give you money to sustain your life.

805
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: They just give you money to make that record. So

806
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 4: and your record doesn't crack off all of a sudden

807
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 4: your tour in the world, that's not how it goes.

808
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: So you still plan side man gigs with different other

809
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 4: artists that already have gigs, you know what i mean,

810
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: trying to figure it out. So it's hard to become

811
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 4: famous in jazz because people keep seeing you with other

812
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 4: people as a side man. It's like being an artist,

813
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: but you keep having to sing background for these other people.

814
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 4: But you are an artist too, and you have a

815
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 4: record out, but if they keep seeing you singing background,

816
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: it's hard for them to see you as a as

817
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 4: an artist artist, you know what I mean. Ever, like

818
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: most people, that's a lot of people's way. You go

819
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: through background everybody done it, you know, but in jazz

820
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: you kind of never stop doing background stuff. Kind of

821
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: everybody plays with each other, you know what I mean.

822
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: That's kind of how it was. I didn't want to

823
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: continue to do that, you know what I mean. I

824
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: wanted to just now I want to do that.

825
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 1: So is there a different cachet when you walk into

826
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: the jazz clubs, like, oh, I'm signed to Blue Note. Yeah,

827
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: that does give you a difference.

828
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, absolutely, And you know for festivals and

829
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 4: things like that, it's a big brother, you know, like, oh,

830
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: you sign a Blue Note, okay, because Blue not has

831
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 4: they have marketing money, they can they can promote you

832
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: to a certain extent, you know what I mean.

833
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: The cool thing about jazz though, is that it's global,

834
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: like you play, I mean music too. Yes, but the

835
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: average R and B singer is not playing in Brussels, No, true,

836
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: you're right, right, But the average now I want to

837
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: say average, the new are established.

838
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 2: Either one can catch a gig in Norway playing jazz bro.

839
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: I went to Europe with So I've been touring for

840
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: years with other musicians and you know, doing jazz tours

841
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: around the world since two thousand nineteen ninety eight.

842
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

843
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: When I started playing Maxwell in two thousand and nine,

844
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 4: he was my whole band. Like that was when he

845
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 4: came out Pretty Wings and all that. That was my

846
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 4: band he was using. So I toured with Max and

847
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 4: on our days off we would do it. I would

848
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 4: do gigs with my band, you know what I mean. Yeah,

849
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 4: his first time going to Europe was when I was

850
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: on tour with him, like twenty ten. That was his

851
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 4: first time going to Europe first time. And you have

852
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 4: been going to Europe since.

853
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: I've been going to Europe for twelve years before that. Yes,

854
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: that's crazy.

855
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: Also because you think about it sometimes it's it's the

856
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: language barrier too. When you're playing instrumental music, there's no

857
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: language barrier. M when you're an R and B singer,

858
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: it's all about what you're saying, you know what I

859
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 4: mean a lot of times and it's you know, it's

860
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 4: it's it's that. So I think a lot of people

861
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: maybe get scared of that, or or also you have

862
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: to cut your teeth. You have to really tour places

863
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 4: over and over again to build an order out there.

864
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: You have to you have to do that.

865
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: People don't understand how important that is unless you got

866
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 4: a record where it's like, Okay, I could tour the

867
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: world off this one record because it's connected everywhere, connected

868
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 4: so much. Other than that, as an artist, you kind

869
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 4: of got to keep going to London there unless you

870
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 4: got pony.

871
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can kick you off. Quit. I'm just a bachelor.

872
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like certain places I know I can go,

873
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 4: and I know I can clear four thousand people one show,

874
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: five thousand people, one show, just.

875
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: Me ticketed, not festival.

876
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but because I kept going one of the country

877
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: so many times, so much, and I tweed it the

878
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 4: right way, you know what I mean.

879
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: I know I can do that. Not twelve Oh that's

880
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: not a tune.

881
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: Oh man. People don't really know where I got that from.

882
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: But you picked it out immediately and it thinks which

883
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: are super.

884
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: Superman. He knows his music. He may not know it's mad.

885
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: That is crazy because I played this every time you

886
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: with the super first grade.

887
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: What is the bird?

888
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: It's a fine. Robert O. Man, we want some information

889
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: from your brother. Don't bring me some tissue.

890
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: Musical journeys, all the music you've heard, all the music

891
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: you've covered, you've got to have some favorites. I do, Robert,

892
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: we want to know y'all. Top five, Yeah, your top.

893
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: Five, say it again?

894
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: Top five.

895
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: Your top ORANGEB singer? What else? R and B song?

896
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: Come with you?

897
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: You got to you got your show. I know you do,

898
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: and I want to top Yeah.

899
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 5: Your sex A chocolate says so beautiful?

900
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: Don't you agree? Oh? Glass?

901
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: Oh?

902
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: Your top five R and B singers, Top five R

903
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: and B singers. So you said the R and B.

904
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: So we're talking about R and B.

905
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: We're tall talking about R and B, but we are

906
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: also talking about those singers who are influential and instrumental

907
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: to you, to you, to Robert, Robert. Okay, I like,

908
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: do we get to safely say Robert's great.

909
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: Top five singers all time, dead or alive? Yours? Stevie

910
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: half of the top Donny mm hmm, Kimberell, Yes. Blow.

911
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: Oh this is really hard, Layla, Layla's a savage list, Laylasten.

912
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's and I've seen blow terror room apart art.

913
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: He woldn't even stage that long. No, he's incredible, bro.

914
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Most people haven't seen what I've seen because I've known

915
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: him for so long. I knew him when he was

916
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: kind of still saved.

917
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? However, because I used to.

918
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: You know, his dad was a Muslim, mom's Baptist, so

919
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 4: he knows the Koran and and he was he used to.

920
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 4: I have seen the video knocking people out of church.

921
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: He's eleven.

922
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: He was a healer. Yeah, he was an evangelist and healer.

923
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: Like it's deeper than most people know, got it, most

924
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 2: of God, most people? It makes sense.

925
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 4: He used to be god man. He was Derek Holey

926
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: two point oh when I met him, he was eighteen,

927
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 4: Like it was crazy.

928
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: Grade five, Yes, Top five Army songs your whole while

929
00:48:51,800 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: we wait album next, We'll make that.

930
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: We'll make that one. That one just what you gotta cover.

931
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: Work around that.

932
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: But you know, getting out of here Army song, a

933
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 4: lot of it, and for me is nostalgia because growing

934
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 4: up what my mom was playing and stuff, you know.

935
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: So I would definitely say one of the one of

936
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: the songs that made me want to play piano is

937
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: giving you the best that I got. M I need

938
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: a baker, Yeah, give you best I got. I had

939
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 4: forty five, I was in third grade, fourth grade.

940
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 2: Wore that out. I can't help it. Michael Jackson, written

941
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: by Stevie Wonder. I wanted to that's another one.

942
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 4: When I was in third grade, I used to unfold

943
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 4: the Off the Wall album and play it back forward

944
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: back for hours to sit there reading the line of notes.

945
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 4: I knew who Greag Philly Games was when I was

946
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 4: in third grade, and now he's my uncle grade game.

947
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Uncle Greg, Great Feeling Games.

948
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: I didn't know what that instrument was, but I knew.

949
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 4: I loved the roads. I know what it is now,

950
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 4: but I didn't know what it was. But that, bro,

951
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 4: you're not playing at this point. Oh no, no, we

952
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 4: didn't get to what age did you start playing? I

953
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: started playing with one finger Happy Birthday at church when.

954
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: I was eleven.

955
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 4: You just start playing to your eleven eleven and you're late,

956
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 4: super late. Another song from my childhood Isley Brothers smooth Sailing.

957
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: That's Angela Wimbush wrote it smooth Sally anything that you

958
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: know from me? I love that song. It takes you

959
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: back to a place immediately. Don't listen to they know

960
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: about I don't know.

961
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: Come on, Oh my god, that song is such a

962
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: good something man, Jesus, I'm like, what a song.

963
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: That song will never get old.

964
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: It will.

965
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: So it always feels like a first listen, like, alright, man, it's.

966
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: That was yeah, bro, let's create a vultron this oh

967
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: musical vultron. All Right, your super your you're super R

968
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: and B artist, Right, We want to know who you're

969
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: going to get the vocal from.

970
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

971
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: Who you're going to get to performance style from, who

972
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the styling from. Who are you going

973
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: to get the passion of the artist, the heart of

974
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: the artists?

975
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: Right? Mm hmmm mm hmm. And who's going to play

976
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: for that artist? Hmmm?

977
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: Who's going to m d that band? Empty the band?

978
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: So let's start off with the vocal. You get one

979
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: vocal to build your super R and B Stavis.

980
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 4: You know why because like when you say Stevie, it's

981
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: like which Stevie, because there's a million of them.

982
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: He doesn't have one Stevie voice. There's a million. He

983
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: misses it. He misses it. No tempo, no year, no

984
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: year period.

985
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: Okay, performance style Michael Jackson, see Michael Jackson.

986
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: Okay, just purely when you walk out on stage going crazy.

987
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 4: No one has the Michael Jackson effect.

988
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: No, you stand there and watch them.

989
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: You just fucking stand there before you even do anything.

990
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 4: You stand there and then you start doing stuff. We

991
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 4: all got to stand there. And from Michael Jackson.

992
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it doesn't always go the way he went with

993
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson. But but come on, I haven't seen a

994
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: couple niggas standing there and be like, have you ever

995
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: seen his life? It's the styling of the artists, like

996
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: what they're wearing.

997
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 4: Ye can't do Michael twice, I like, you can't whatever

998
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 4: you want just just for the sake of just just

999
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 4: for the sake of, like, you know, just some different ship.

1000
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: Let me just see, let me see. That might be fun, Prince,

1001
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: might be fun. Me, Michael, Prince, that might be fun.

1002
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: That could be fun. This is great, Now, this is great.

1003
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: It's great because of because of because of the first two.

1004
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: You don't to accept whatever he has that for sure,

1005
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, that level of talent, and.

1006
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 4: He's going to bring his guitar and you don't even

1007
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 4: know what part of what it's going to be when

1008
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 4: he shows up.

1009
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: You have no idea, Michael, you kind of know what

1010
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: the vibe is. Yeah, Prince, you don't Prince gonna bring

1011
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: to work with him too. He's gonna bring them. He's

1012
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: gonna bring to you. Feel me here. Ain't got a

1013
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 2: couple you feel me with him? No, he's not ice.

1014
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 2: You gotta have some of your feel me. He keeps me,

1015
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: Apo keeps you know, I mean, you know what I mean.

1016
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: And Lisa I met him, want Sheila. He had like

1017
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 2: eleven your filmies. Yeah, and it all had on yellow Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

1018
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: my tay you feel Yeah, it's all ly here.

1019
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1020
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 2: I got on your and you feel me right now?

1021
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 2: I have one of your feel you feel me? Yeah,

1022
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 2: I like that. The passion of the artists, the heart

1023
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: of the artists who mean it. James Brown.

1024
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: A man this my no, no, no, I'm not even

1025
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: my You got the an alphol five, I mean both

1026
00:53:53,120 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: round of all times. Yeah, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, James Brown,

1027
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: all all pioneers, absolutely, all changed the game, all some

1028
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: point change all pioneers. Who's the m D for this artist,

1029
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: who's making.

1030
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: It all go?

1031
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: Right?

1032
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: I might the m D might be Earth Winding Fire.

1033
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: Have them do the music? Oh my god, because I

1034
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: just it's Adam Blackstone, you know, going in fire show,

1035
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: you know how to do a show. Yes you feel me.

1036
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: First time I saw earth When the Fire Alive, I

1037
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck is going on?

1038
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: How many members are in earth Winning Fire? It's only

1039
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: but it's only four though, something like that.

1040
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 2: Like Maurice he was he was the the little Verdine

1041
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: Philip Philip, And then I think it's just yeah, that

1042
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: was but.

1043
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 4: On, Yeah, they're on, that's everywhere. That was my second

1044
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 4: concert ever. Michael Jackson was my first. I was seven.

1045
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: I was twelve when I saw Earthline Fire. My mom

1046
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: made me go see them. She said, you want to

1047
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 4: be a musician.

1048
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: Right.

1049
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 4: It was Saturday morning. She woke me up, Come on,

1050
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 4: we're going to see Earthlin the Fire. That the Houston Rodeo.

1051
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 4: And I was like, Mom, sleep, I don't want to go.

1052
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 4: Stay boy, get your ass up. Then goes the Earthly Fire.

1053
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 4: Momm good, you want to be a musician. She almost

1054
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 4: spanked me for not wanting to get up and go.

1055
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: She made me go shout out to your mom. Absolutely,

1056
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: but all right, Rob, we can't let you leave this. Ye,

1057
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: yeah we can't. We can't. Yeah, We're gonna give them.

1058
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 2: Ain't saying no Nick, ain't saying no name, no names.

1059
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: Don't say I ain't saying.

1060
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: Whoa Oh my god, so right now, very important segment

1061
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: of the show. Yeah, I ain't saying no names.

1062
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: Right. Will you tell us a story funny or fucked up?

1063
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: Are funny and fucked up? Yes? You know what I mean?

1064
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: These travels, Yeah, these jazz, R and B travels, hip hop,

1065
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: hip hop, be bop by dibbity bop, all of that,

1066
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: all of every genre.

1067
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: Everything you got to Grammy.

1068
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: Of Robert Glasper, the things you've seen, things you might

1069
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: have experienced that was and fucked up.

1070
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: Don't rule to the game. You can't say no name,

1071
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: no namest rule to the game. Gotcha? Okay, So I'm

1072
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: gonna and I guess this point there was no cell

1073
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: phones allowed maybe, but I was doing a gig. I

1074
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: was doing a gig.

1075
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 4: Let's leave it at that, and I don't think there

1076
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: were any cell phones allowed that and that's why.

1077
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: But this particular singer was also uh uh I had

1078
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: a church? Was R and B singer? Okay, but was preaching.

1079
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: I know they had a church or yeah maybe they did,

1080
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: maybe they didn't don't know.

1081
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 4: And uh, this person was actually on a TV show

1082
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 4: I had just saw I was talking about the religious

1083
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 4: part of this person's life now, like you know.

1084
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: Or religious. Yeah.

1085
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 4: I was like, oh man, that's great. I just saw

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00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: it like the night before. So I'm doing this show

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00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 4: and this person shows up to the show. I was like,

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00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 4: oh man, this is great, big fan.

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00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: And so I'm playing the person sitting in the front row.

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00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: I'm doing my show.

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Speaker 4: So at the end of the show, I hit this

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00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 4: vamp and I kind of sitting to the person like

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00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 4: you want to sing, and they're like okay, sure, and

1094
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 4: they come up and they say, everybody's grown in here, right,

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00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, like yeah, And then the first words

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00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 4: the person saying was the first lyrics were I don't

1097
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 4: mind hair in my teeth. That's the first who first thing,

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00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 4: mind you. I'm sure everybody in this room knows that

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00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 4: this person is now a preacher, like that was a

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00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: it was a thing. So I'm not thinking that's what's

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00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 4: going to come out of this person's mouth. But this

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00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 4: this person continues to talk about uh eating pussy for

1103
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 4: about ten minutes in song form. And when that happens,

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00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 4: another person who I didn't know was there that is

1105
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,959
Speaker 4: in the gospel world big time. In the gospel world,

1106
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 4: runs to the stage, jumps on stage, grabs the mic

1107
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 4: from that said person and praise for him, no way,

1108
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 4: praise for him, gives the mic back, runs back off stage,

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00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 4: and that was end of my show.

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Speaker 2: It was so amazing. That is great. It will be

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01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: more amazing if you you the names but can't say

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: the name. Not saying the names.

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01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 4: What that's the most recent the recent funny like seriously

1114
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 4: funny thing. And the fact that like there were no

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01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 4: phones really so it was even more like you have

1116
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 4: to be there. Yeah, it's a urban legend.

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it was great. Don't mind getting hair in

1118
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: your teeth? The first line, first line, you mind getting

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: hair in my teeth? Are you biting the is everybody

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01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: grown in here? I like to bite it. You never

1121
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: like a little bite?

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01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I never met one that is great and then didn't

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01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: know bullet.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Okay, not you. Why I gotta I know a singer

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01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: that sound like that.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: We ain't saying no name. Brother, Robert Glaser, Yes, man,

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Speaker 2: we love you, brother. Appreciate you absolutely. Absolutely, We appreciate man.

1131
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: You appreciate keeping what we love and what we do

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01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: in the forefront. Yeah.

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you for having me on there. Thank you

1134
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 4: for having us getting it out in the world. Take

1135
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 4: I want to do a song with you. What do

1136
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 4: you mean as soon as okay? Good letting the world

1137
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 4: know this right here. That's because you see it. I'm

1138
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 4: saying I would like to grab me. I'm saying I

1139
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 4: would like to I don't believe together. Yeah, I think

1140
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 4: we could do that. I'm really serious, pretty sure for sure.

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01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: No, and and in thanking you brother even for just

1142
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: being just a solid guy to So for those that

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01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: don't know I ran up on Glass, I'm knowing to

1144
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: run up on people.

1145
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: It's kind of thing.

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01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: If I fuck with you, if I with you, I'm

1147
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: gonna run up on you. I'm gonna tell you how

1148
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: dope you are. And I'm going to invite you to

1149
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: the podcast. So I'm at the you know, the Adam Blackstone,

1150
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: Miss Diddy shut out, shout out amazing artists that come

1151
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: up there and perform, and you grace the stage that night,

1152
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, and it's funny thing is, yes,

1153
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: I will run up on people that I know, usually

1154
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: like you know, if it's my homie.

1155
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: But we didn't know each other. We didn't know each other.

1156
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna say, how

1157
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: talented this man is for one, which I have no

1158
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: problem with giving people their problems, but then also I'm

1159
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: going to say, hey man.

1160
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: We need you on this podcast. We respect what you do.

1161
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: BT respect what this man does, and you know, invite

1162
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: him to the BT Awards and the Soul Trained Awards

1163
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: and every other award that y'all do.

1164
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: I have a war and you have one. Yeah, I forgot.

1165
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: I have one for Black Radio the year where your

1166
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: docum to the wars to get it, No, man, but

1167
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: I once radio. I forget what the category was. I

1168
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: think it was.

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01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 4: I feel like it was Best Jazz Album, but you

1170
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But I have the Silver Train,

1171
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 4: like the actual award, and it was when Don Liz.

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01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: Was still alive. That's the train right there. Yeah, I

1173
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: forgot about that, man.

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01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: But yes, brother, thank you because you know you kept

1175
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: your word. I ran upon you, I said, a bro.

1176
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is when I ran up on

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01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: you was like Jay Valentine, I knew you. I love.

1178
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: I've been wanting to get in the podcast.

1179
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 4: I've been with people and they've been telling like I

1180
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 4: one time I was with Brian He's like, yeah, I'm

1181
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 4: doing the podcast tomorrow R and B. I was like,

1182
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 4: one time I was stokely and he literally I brought

1183
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 4: him out here to do something, or yeah, okay, he

1184
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 4: was performing with me somebody.

1185
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: So it worked the same time.

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01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 4: Like there have been so many people that are about

1187
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 4: to go do you'all podcast, I was like, I want

1188
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 4: to do that podcast.

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01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm really glad y'all inviting me on here. Thank you,

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01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, thank you for thank you for pulling

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01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: up on absolutely.

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Speaker 1: My name is Tank, I'm Jay Valentine and this is

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