WEBVTT - Shirtless Caddies with Big Randy (Phil Landes)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we just

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<v Speaker 1>want Asia Wilson to have all the balls. On today's show,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be talking with Phil Landis aka Big Randy about

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<v Speaker 1>the Solheim Cup, the state of women's golf, and being

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<v Speaker 1>a dog guy, plus a new woman in bronze red carpet, advice,

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of balls. It's all coming up right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, my little slices. Here's what you need to

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<v Speaker 1>know today. We mentioned yesterday Asia Wilson becoming the first

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<v Speaker 1>WNBA player to score one thousand points in a season,

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<v Speaker 1>but we need to spend a few more minutes talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the postgame celebration and all the high jinks. After

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<v Speaker 1>the game, Wilson was gifted the game ball with her

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<v Speaker 1>parents by her side, a very wholesome, family friendly moment

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<v Speaker 1>until Ace's teammate Sidney Colson came along. Colson had a

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<v Speaker 1>field day on social media, writing on Twitter, quote, that's

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<v Speaker 1>now two balls you've been able to take home with

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<v Speaker 1>you this season, Asia Wilson. Asia replied with quote, just

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<v Speaker 1>adding another pair, and that's when missus Wilson. Asia's mom

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<v Speaker 1>entered the chat, writing in all caps, Asia Asia played

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<v Speaker 1>it off with a classic defense, saying someone hacked my account. Mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that might be an excuse that some naive dorm

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<v Speaker 1>room mamas would believe, but not me and not missus

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson either, I'm sure, But back to the balls. Asia's

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<v Speaker 1>not so undercover boob Bam Autebio tweeted out after the

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<v Speaker 1>game as well.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote, hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody finds a thousand reasons to smile on this lovely Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>A apostrophe thousand stop. It's Hispanic Heritage, a mont celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>in the US from September fifteenth to October fifteenth. The

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<v Speaker 1>month recognizes the contributions, influence, and achievements of this Hispanic

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<v Speaker 1>and Latine community that includes our girl, Diana Tarassi, whose

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<v Speaker 1>mother was born and raised in Argentina. She's in action

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<v Speaker 1>tonight with her Phoenix Mercury taken on the Sparks at

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<v Speaker 1>ten thirty pm Eastern, and it could be the second

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<v Speaker 1>to last regular season game of her incredible career. Ew

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<v Speaker 1>I hate it so much. We got four more WNBA

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<v Speaker 1>game tonight, including the two seed Minnesota Links taken on

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<v Speaker 1>the three seed Connecticut Sun at seven Eastern and the

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<v Speaker 1>four seed Las Vegas aces taken on the five seed

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle Storm at ten Eastern plus. The Mystics, Sky, and

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<v Speaker 1>Dream are all in action tonight two as they continue

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<v Speaker 1>to fight for that last playoff spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Little update on where that three way race stands.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mystic, Sky and Dream are all thirteen and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five right now. DC holds the eighth seed for the

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<v Speaker 1>moment they win the tiebreaker because they've got a better

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<v Speaker 1>combined head to head record against Chicago in Atlanta. Chicago's

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<v Speaker 1>got the ninth spot thanks to a two to one

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<v Speaker 1>head to head record against Atlanta, and the Dream are

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<v Speaker 1>hanging on.

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<v Speaker 2>To the tenth spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it, It's not all that important.

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<v Speaker 2>Just watch the games and see who wins. We'll figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out. More hoops.

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<v Speaker 1>It had been a couple weeks since we got the

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<v Speaker 1>latest Unrivaled reveal, but on Monday, the new three on

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<v Speaker 1>three league announced the twentieth player to sign on, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's Courtney Vander. Salute Slutie, y'all. The talent in this

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<v Speaker 1>league is going to be so good. Every game is

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<v Speaker 1>basically going to be a three on three All star game.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pumped to soccer and the Under twenty World Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>The US and Germany faced off in an epic quarterfinal

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<v Speaker 1>round match.

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<v Speaker 2>On Monday in Colombia.

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<v Speaker 1>Down two zero to two minutes left, tem USA pulled

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<v Speaker 1>off a comeback for the ages, with Florida State's Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Dudley scoring in the eighth minute of stoppage time and

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<v Speaker 1>Utah Royals rookie Ali Sentnor finding the equalizer in the

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<v Speaker 1>ninth to force overtime. After a scoreless thirty minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>extra time, the US won the ensuing penalty kickshootout three

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<v Speaker 1>to one, and they'll advance to the semi final round

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time since twenty sixteen, where they'll take

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<v Speaker 1>on North Korea. It's a promising result for the US

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<v Speaker 1>given how much the youth national teams have struggled in

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<v Speaker 1>recent seasons. Tmusa last won the U twenty World Cup

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>To College hoops were.

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<v Speaker 1>Less than fifty days from the start of women's college basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>and over the weekend, Don Staley and the defending champion

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina game Cocks appeared on ESPN's College Game Day

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<v Speaker 1>announcing some big plans for this season.

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<v Speaker 3>Take a listen for this group, for this team to

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<v Speaker 3>will we call it raven.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the repeat tour?

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go last.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, the repeat Tour looks like the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>women's college hoops has been put on notice.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got some statue newspeople.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a longtime listener of the show, and by

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<v Speaker 1>long time, I mean however long we've been on, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like a month and a half, then you know

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<v Speaker 1>that we're into women's statues. And last Friday, Oklahoma softball

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<v Speaker 1>coach Patty Gasso, a National Fast Pitch Coaches Association Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Famer, was honored in bronze outside the school's love field.

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<v Speaker 1>During her thirty one seasons at Oklahoma, Gasso has won

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<v Speaker 1>eight national championships, including four in a row, and has

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<v Speaker 1>advanced to the postseason every single year.

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<v Speaker 2>She's also been named Big Twelve Coach of the Year.

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<v Speaker 1>On fifteen different occasions and is the winningest active coach

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<v Speaker 1>in NCAA softball history.

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<v Speaker 2>We love this.

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<v Speaker 1>More statues of women, More statues of women, Yes to

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<v Speaker 1>the red carpet Our. Rugby queen Alona mar was at

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<v Speaker 1>the Emmys on Sunday night, giving espnW her advice for

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<v Speaker 1>young athletes.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a listen.

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<v Speaker 3>First off, try mini sports out rugby might not be

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<v Speaker 3>for you, but try rugby, trick, soccer, try dance, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it is, just to see where your bodies people of

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<v Speaker 3>I think as women, sometimes our bodies are looked at

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<v Speaker 3>something to be objectified, and our bodies are so much

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<v Speaker 3>more than that, and sports can show us what they

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<v Speaker 3>can do. So try it all out. Also, remember like

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<v Speaker 3>strength is really powerful and your body is meant for

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<v Speaker 3>a purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>So Abbott Elementary Cheryl Lee Ralph came with some real

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom for espnW two.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody told me that sports was not for me. I

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<v Speaker 4>was actually Athlete of the Year in my high school,

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<v Speaker 4>not because I did anything other than try. I tried.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not win, but I tried when nobody else

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<v Speaker 4>would try. But I also wrote a letter to the

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<v Speaker 4>Regent of New York and I said, why can't girls

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<v Speaker 4>have a coach for track? And they said, okay, let's

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<v Speaker 4>think about that. To this day, Uniondale High School our

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<v Speaker 4>track team, we are the champions every year because somebody

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<v Speaker 4>wrote a letter and asked the question, why can't we

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<v Speaker 4>have a coach.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, to the Young People Listing or parents

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<v Speaker 1>of Young People Listing, Title nine demands that your daughters

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<v Speaker 1>get the same resources and opportunities as your sons. So

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<v Speaker 1>if they don't have a coach or a field or

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<v Speaker 1>equipment and the boys do, that is illegal. Complain and

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<v Speaker 1>if complaining doesn't work, threaten to sue and actually follow through.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only way things change. Okay, So before we

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<v Speaker 1>get to this golf interview, we understand that golf can

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<v Speaker 1>be confusing for the non golfers out there, So before

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<v Speaker 1>we dive in with an expert, just a quick explainer

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<v Speaker 1>on how the Solheim Cup works because we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a bit about that tournament that just happened. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's a three day competition with teams and each team

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<v Speaker 1>has twelve players. First two days are a combination of

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<v Speaker 1>what's called foursomes and four balls.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the foursome.

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<v Speaker 1>Stage, two golfers from the same team are strategically put

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<v Speaker 1>together to compete against two golfers from the opposing team,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's one ball between the pair and they play

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<v Speaker 1>alternate shots until the end of the hole. In the

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<v Speaker 1>four balls stage, instead of two balls, each player plays

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<v Speaker 1>her own ball and the lowest score from each team

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that's counted. Final day of is simple.

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<v Speaker 1>One player from team Europe competes against one player from

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<v Speaker 1>Team USA, each with their own ball. We told you

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of balls to day.

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<v Speaker 2>You keeping up? Okay? Great? When we come back, it's

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<v Speaker 2>tea time with Phil Landis joining us now.

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<v Speaker 1>He covers golf for the website No Laying Up. Is

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<v Speaker 1>a proud Miami of Ohio, a lum and has an

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<v Speaker 1>adorable pup named Arthur that's turned him into a dog guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Phil Landis aka Big Randy. What's up Phil, Randy?

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<v Speaker 1>Randy Phil?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, take your pick there, Sarah. I am great. I

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<v Speaker 5>am just back. I got in late last night, Sunday night,

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<v Speaker 5>from a wonderful week outside of our nation's capital covering

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<v Speaker 5>the Solheim Cup. It's one of my favorite events. This

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<v Speaker 5>was the third one I went to, but I missed Arthur.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I looked forward to those hugs when I

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<v Speaker 5>walked in the door. Yeah. Good research there, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>really happy. Let me just say congrats to you and

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<v Speaker 5>your whole team on getting this podcast up off the ground.

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<v Speaker 5>I know that is no small feet and I'm very

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<v Speaker 5>honored to be here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get back to Arthur later, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm a certified dog person as well. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to start with the Phil Randy thing. Your name

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<v Speaker 1>is Phil Landis you go buy Big Randy? Why do

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<v Speaker 1>you have two names?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Great question one I asked myself a lot. It

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<v Speaker 5>actually goes back to my time in Oxford, Ohio at

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<v Speaker 5>Miami and when I was in school. I'm dating myself

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit. But we would watch the Real World.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm guessing maybe Sarah you watched as well. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if you remember the San Diego season. Two of

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<v Speaker 5>the main guys were Brad and Randy. Randy was tall.

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<v Speaker 5>They called him Big Randy. And so in our disgusting

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<v Speaker 5>off campus house which fourteen guys lived in, we had

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<v Speaker 5>one bathroom on the second floor. And yeah, one time

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<v Speaker 5>we lost like the main door to the bathroom facility,

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<v Speaker 5>and so this created like a sightline. One of my

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<v Speaker 5>buddies his desk situated such that, you know, without that door,

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<v Speaker 5>when he was working at his desk, he could kind

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<v Speaker 5>of see into the restroom. And he was a very

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<v Speaker 5>outgoing guy and would just love to chat with you.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm more of an introvert, and especially when I'm

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<v Speaker 5>in the bathroom, Sarah, just doing whatever and one day

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<v Speaker 5>extroverted bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't care how

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<v Speaker 1>converted you are. I'd like you to be an introvert

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<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom at all times.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, one day, you know, I was in there and

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<v Speaker 5>he must not have seen me walk in, because he, Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>wh who's in there in the bathroom? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, Oh my gosh, I don't you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not necessarily want to have a chit chat right now.

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<v Speaker 5>The first name that popped into my mind, I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 5>because we just watched The Real World recently, was like,

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<v Speaker 5>it's Randy. And he didn't know Randy, so that kind

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<v Speaker 5>of cut the conversation off at the past. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what I was thinking. Of course, as

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<v Speaker 5>I walked out of the bathroom, he's like, Phil, you idiot,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, I don't know. So they started

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<v Speaker 5>calling me. You know, we'll fast forward, no laying ups,

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<v Speaker 5>getting off the ground. We have jobs in the quote

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<v Speaker 5>unquote real world, and I don't know, it just seemed

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<v Speaker 5>maybe prudent to use a pen name an alias. I

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't sure, you know, I'm very conscious of like, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>don't say or put anything in writing that like you

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't want on the front page of the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 5>and I thought, hey, if I go by Randy, you

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<v Speaker 5>know that gives me at least one extra layer of cover.

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<v Speaker 4>And mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Now fast forward ten years, and I think we've

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<v Speaker 5>been fortunate, no laying ups, kind of grown in prominence.

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<v Speaker 5>H And I think a lot of people in the

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<v Speaker 5>golf world know me as Randy and it's like, I

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<v Speaker 5>shock people. I'm like, well, my real name's Phil. They're like, WHOA,

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Just created a second life for anonymity that now you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really want anymore, because now you want publicity for

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<v Speaker 1>the coverage you're doing and the things you're writing about.

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<v Speaker 5>That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the most dude story ever, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>no bathroom door yelling out a random name that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>yours and then just deciding to live by it.

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<v Speaker 2>Congrats on all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a circus tail, but it landed us where

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<v Speaker 1>we are, which is where we're gonna go with Big Randy.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go with Big Randy, which I assume is

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<v Speaker 1>what everyone was calling you at the Solheim Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned you just got back.

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<v Speaker 1>Great result, great highlights, some logistical issues. Let's start with

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<v Speaker 1>something quickly I was curious about in the lead up

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<v Speaker 1>to the tournament. I was talking about this on the

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<v Speaker 1>show Can you explain the whole tie last year? But

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<v Speaker 1>it counts as a win for Europe. I'm confused by that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, of course, So the rules of and this goes

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<v Speaker 5>back really the precedent was set on the men's side

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<v Speaker 5>with the Ryder Cup, which stretches back way further than

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<v Speaker 5>the Solheim Cup on the women's side. But each you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you play twenty eight matches across three days, and each

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<v Speaker 5>match is worth one point, and so if the US

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<v Speaker 5>team wins, they get that full point. Obviously in Europe

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<v Speaker 5>gets zero points. Well, if a match gets to eighteen

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<v Speaker 5>or through eighteen and it's tied, then they split that point,

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<v Speaker 5>so half point each way. They don't play it off

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<v Speaker 5>for the full point. And so it creates a situation where,

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<v Speaker 5>because there's an even number of matches and even number

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<v Speaker 5>of points, you could have a fourteen to fourteen result

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<v Speaker 5>when it's all said and done. And so for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 5>they decided, hey, we don't want to do a tiebreaker

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<v Speaker 5>out on the course, and so they default to whoever

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<v Speaker 5>won the Solheim Cup the prior playing they will retain

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<v Speaker 5>the cup in case of a tie. And so this

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<v Speaker 5>year in Washington or Gainesville, Virginia where the Solheim Cup was,

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<v Speaker 5>the US coming into the week knew they had to

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<v Speaker 5>win fourteen and a half points because another tie they

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<v Speaker 5>would not get, they would not trophy.

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds very European, Randy.

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<v Speaker 1>This sounds like, you know, the place where they liked

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<v Speaker 1>the soccer and the football with the ties all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>In America, we absolutely would have made a tie breaker.

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<v Speaker 2>There would be a winner every time.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's walking away just keeping the trophy because you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't beat them for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fan of that. But there were other

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<v Speaker 1>things that I was a fan of. We saw a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of really good play. What were some standout moments

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<v Speaker 1>for you?

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<v Speaker 5>I think, I mean, gosh, it's hard not to just

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<v Speaker 5>kind of run through the team. USA play the big

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<v Speaker 5>highlight once again. They had done so also last year

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<v Speaker 5>in Spain. But they jumped out to an early lead.

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<v Speaker 5>They got out to a commanding through Friday and Saturday.

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<v Speaker 5>At the end of Friday, excuse me, they were up

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<v Speaker 5>six to two, and so you saw Roseang was finally

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<v Speaker 5>playing like the top ten player in the world that

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<v Speaker 5>she is, but was starting to match the heavy, heavy

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<v Speaker 5>expectations that have been placed upon her due to a

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<v Speaker 5>sterling amateur career, a great run in college, she won

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<v Speaker 5>her very first professional start on the LPGA Tour, and

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<v Speaker 5>so I think she has carried this weight for the

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<v Speaker 5>last year plus, like, hey, you know, when are you

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<v Speaker 5>going to start winning all these majors? And that can

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<v Speaker 5>be a burden. She's twenty one years old. But this

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<v Speaker 5>week we got a glimpse of Roseang at her absolute best.

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<v Speaker 5>She went four and oh she was the leading point

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<v Speaker 5>getter on either side, and she just had a lightness

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<v Speaker 5>about her. And I think that was the real takeaway.

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<v Speaker 5>You looked all across Team USA, and I'll credit the

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<v Speaker 5>captain Stacy Lewis Roseng. Nellie Corda is somebody that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't usually give you a lot of joy, a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of fist pumps, a lot of smiles on the

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<v Speaker 5>golf course, and that's fine right week to week, whatever

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<v Speaker 5>your style is. Yep, yes, exactly. But it was just

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<v Speaker 5>fun to see Nellie in a team environment. And she

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<v Speaker 5>said afterward in her press conference, like this is about

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<v Speaker 5>the most fun I've ever had playing golf, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>show awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ask about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So first of all, Roseng, I believe only the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>USA player to ever go four and oh in a

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<v Speaker 1>Solheim Cup, so it's not common to win every matchup,

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<v Speaker 1>every head to head, so very impressive. And then to

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<v Speaker 1>your point about Nellie, you know, I was just at

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<v Speaker 1>the US Open talking to a couple former tennis players

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<v Speaker 1>who said that the most joyful time for them was

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<v Speaker 1>the team tournaments like the Olympics or now like the

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<v Speaker 1>Billy j and Kingcup, because they do get to be

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<v Speaker 1>playing with and alongside and rooting for the people that

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<v Speaker 1>they usually are just traveling and spending all of their

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<v Speaker 1>time with, but competing against.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it feel like that's the same story here for

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<v Speaker 2>these golfers.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, And I think every woman would tell you that,

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<v Speaker 5>not only this week, but probably that's ever competed in

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<v Speaker 5>a Solheim Cup. Is it's such a nice departure from

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<v Speaker 5>the week to week grind that is individual stroke play golf,

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<v Speaker 5>and you're just in your own little world. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>most of them travel with a caddy and they might

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<v Speaker 5>have some type of support system, perhaps parents, a coach,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, whatever it is. But it can be very insular,

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<v Speaker 5>and when you're not playing the greatest, it just can

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<v Speaker 5>turn into a burden. It's a very mentally challenging game,

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<v Speaker 5>just as much as physically. And so you get to

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<v Speaker 5>a Solheim Cup and you get to be a part

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<v Speaker 5>of a team environment, and some of these players, like

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<v Speaker 5>saying who went to Stanford, spent two years in college

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<v Speaker 5>and had a great time at Stanford. You know, she

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<v Speaker 5>was very that that was a very conscious choice on

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<v Speaker 5>her part to get that college experience because she wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to be part of a team. And so every two

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<v Speaker 5>years and we can get into that, Sarah like, wait,

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<v Speaker 5>you said they played last year. I can explain that.

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<v Speaker 1>I trus Man, I was confused on that too, But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, all right, buy Anny all most of the

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<v Speaker 1>time and then occasionally back to back.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll just let it ride.

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<v Speaker 5>They love being able to be a part of a team,

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<v Speaker 5>to have eleven teammates, to have a captain, to have

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<v Speaker 5>assistant captains. It's I think it reminds it brings them

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<v Speaker 5>back to their youth and some of their when golf

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<v Speaker 5>was truly fun right before it turns into a professional

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<v Speaker 5>grind and just getting back to it like you just

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<v Speaker 5>saw that this week with Tamosa, And again, I think

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<v Speaker 5>that's a credit to the environment that Captain Stacy Lewis

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<v Speaker 5>was able to create for the team.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of pressure playing for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>your team, but there's also so much excitement around doing

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<v Speaker 1>well on behalf of your team, and that includes some

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<v Speaker 1>of the enthusiasm for other people's play that we saw,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, rooting for each other, and we even saw

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<v Speaker 1>that with the caddies. You need to explain to us

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<v Speaker 1>the backstory of the shirts off Celly that went viral.

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<v Speaker 1>Holing out from eighty six yards very impressive, but doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>usually result in caddies ripping their shirts off.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you talk to us about that moment and how that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah that I think that was a first for the

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<v Speaker 5>Solheim Cup. Unfortunately I was not there in person on

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<v Speaker 5>that whole I did not see it in person. I'm disappointed.

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<v Speaker 5>I was laughing. I think Max home and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 5>somehow the term like tarps off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, turns to the shirt yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm I'm you know, maybe I'm just old. I had

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<v Speaker 5>never heard that sound.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's from a show that I actually just

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<v Speaker 1>started watching one or two episodes of that centers around

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<v Speaker 1>a small Canadian town and they say tarps off a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's that might be the origin. I forget

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<v Speaker 1>the name of it right now. I'm only like two

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<v Speaker 1>episodes in, but it's got that vibe of like inventing

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of new slang for like Broie, but

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of mocking it. I'll remember when when you're

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<v Speaker 1>done telling this tale of the tarps off Selly.

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<v Speaker 5>So as best I know, and I won't claim to

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<v Speaker 5>have this ironclad, this was kind of like secondhand that

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<v Speaker 5>I was getting. I guess Megan Kang and her caddy

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<v Speaker 5>had some type of bet, and I think the caddy

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<v Speaker 5>had lost and Meghan was like, hey, I don't want

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<v Speaker 5>It was like a monetary bet. She's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>want the money if we hole out this week, and

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<v Speaker 5>meaning Meghan and her playing partner who happened to b

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<v Speaker 5>Allison Lee who made the Eagle, She's the one who

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<v Speaker 5>hold out. You guys need to take take the tarps off.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's exactly what happened, both Megan's caddy and Allison's

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<v Speaker 5>Caddie got into it now, Sarah, one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 5>parts of this is, of course this is an American

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<v Speaker 5>versus European competition, and part of Europe is you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the United Kingdom Britain. Yeah, and the British golf writers

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<v Speaker 5>especially can be a little bit dodgy. You know, they

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<v Speaker 5>very much like their golf tradition, and so part of

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<v Speaker 5>the fun for me was just seeing their Yet you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>this should never happen in a Solheim Cup, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>come on, it's good fun exactly. I think it pulls

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<v Speaker 5>in the common viewer and was certainly one of the

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<v Speaker 5>highlights of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, I saw a clip of a player from the

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<v Speaker 1>European team.

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<v Speaker 2>Lighting up a heater in the middle of her round.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that real?

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<v Speaker 5>So that would be Charlie Hall, England's Charlie Hall, who

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<v Speaker 5>I have a few things to say about this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>she is a smoker, I believe in one of her

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<v Speaker 5>practice rounds she was smoking actual cigarettes. She had at

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<v Speaker 5>one point had gone to somebody in the gallery looking

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<v Speaker 5>for a lighter, was provided a lighter. She also had

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<v Speaker 5>some type of I call it like a vaporrig. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know what the official term for it is. Charlie

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<v Speaker 5>is a magnetic presence. Her Instagram account is a trip.

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<v Speaker 5>She's one of the most recognizable people on the LPGA

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<v Speaker 5>A tour. But I will say I think she gets

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit pigeonholed with this fascination. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 5>this this young woman. You know, she's smoking on the

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<v Speaker 5>golf course. It's such a throwback today's of old. But

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<v Speaker 5>I will say Charlie is a fantastic golfer, eleventh in

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<v Speaker 5>the world. And I think her story, her personality, she

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<v Speaker 5>has such a great sort. In fact, we're like efforting.

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<v Speaker 5>We would love to do more of an in depth

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<v Speaker 5>profile on Charlie because her whole deal is just an

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<v Speaker 5>amazing person.

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<v Speaker 1>For those people trying to argue that golf is a

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<v Speaker 1>sport not a game, being able to just light up

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<v Speaker 1>a heater from a fan in the middle of year

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<v Speaker 1>round isn't really helping. But fine, yeah, fine. The show

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking of is called Chorsy. For those who

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<v Speaker 1>are wondering, it's called Shorzy. If anyone wants to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I've enjoyed Marky, Yeah, I've enjoyed the first couple episode

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<v Speaker 1>and definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Some tarps off.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk Lexi Thompson, probably her last Solheim Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>She's announced her plans to retire after this year.

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<v Speaker 1>An eleven time LPGA Tour winner, a major champion, a

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<v Speaker 1>two time Olympian, longtime Stalheime Cup team member. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the legacy that she's leaving on the game

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<v Speaker 1>of golf when she's done, and if you're surprised at

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<v Speaker 1>all that at twenty nine she's hanging them up.

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<v Speaker 5>Gosh. I think with everything Lexi there, it is such

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<v Speaker 5>a shade of gray with her and it is such

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<v Speaker 5>a mixed bag. I'll say her legacy is one she

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<v Speaker 5>is widely beloved and respected by her peers and the

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<v Speaker 5>fans of the LPGA Tour. I don't think anybody signs

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<v Speaker 5>more autographs for anybody, especially kids. Lexi is very giving

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<v Speaker 5>of her time while she's out on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 5>Where it gets a bit mixed is Lexi's always had

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit of a frosty relationship with the media

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, however you feel about that, it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>part of her legacy. I think in terms of actual golf,

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<v Speaker 5>she's been one of the foremost American women of the

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<v Speaker 5>last fifteen years. I think she's been a very important

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<v Speaker 5>part of American women's golf. She started at a very

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<v Speaker 5>young age, and so for that reason, again, I was saying,

0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 5>how much of a grind this can be imagined getting

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<v Speaker 5>out onto tour as a professional at fourteen years old.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been doing it for fifteen years. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 5>a heck of a career for anybody in any field.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially if you start to get worse, right, and you

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<v Speaker 1>aren't guaranteed to get better.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't really matter the age you're at it.

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<v Speaker 1>You might just feel like, well, I guess I peaked

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<v Speaker 1>at seventeen or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>Now I know, And she did win a major fairly early.

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<v Speaker 5>She's had major heartbreaks, is really has what has defined

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<v Speaker 5>her play in the last several years. But I don't

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<v Speaker 5>blame her for wanting to take a step back from golf.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we'll still see her in events. I think

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<v Speaker 5>she'll be very choosy about where and when and on

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<v Speaker 5>what terms she plays. I don't think this is a

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<v Speaker 5>cold retirement from golf. But at age thirty, it's like, hey,

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 5>you've proved yourself in professional golf and you're still not

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.280
<v Speaker 5>even thirty years old right now, she's nine, And so

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<v Speaker 5>for that, I'm like, I'm a bit envious of her,

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<v Speaker 5>though the gold is truly her oyster, and I really

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<v Speaker 5>hope she's able to whatever it is that makes her happy, professionally,

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:23.439
<v Speaker 5>starting a family, whatever it may be. I think she

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 5>deserves to go pursue that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the nice thing about golf is if you

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 1>change your mind, if you're mostly still got your body

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<v Speaker 1>parts working, you can always come back Senior tour or

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.240
<v Speaker 1>come later like you got plenty of years left. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not quite the same as other sports when you say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 5>No, and they would gladly have her back again, just

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<v Speaker 5>because she's such a fan favorite and she still draws crowds.

0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 5>You know, you men kind of be in out of

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<v Speaker 5>form relatively speaking. She is still one of the biggest

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 5>attractions any golf tournament you go to, And so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>if she wants to come back, she will be welcomed back,

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<v Speaker 5>and honestly, she'll probably be a Solheim Cup cap in

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<v Speaker 5>sooner than later.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like quite a crowd there, but maybe some

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 1>trouble accommodating.

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<v Speaker 2>How was it in person?

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<v Speaker 1>And did it feel like the organizers expected maybe fewer

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 1>fans or just didn't have their shit together.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I didn't have their shit together Friday, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>a totally unforced air. I hate that it dominated the

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 5>first day headlines because it should have been about the golf.

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 5>It was perfect weather, Robert tren Jones Golf Club was

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.879
<v Speaker 5>a great host venue. You had twenty excuse me, twenty

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.520
<v Speaker 5>four of the best golfers in the world. They had

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<v Speaker 5>just played a very tight Solheim Cup the year prior

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<v Speaker 5>in Spain. All the focus should have been on the golf.

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:42.679
<v Speaker 5>But the LPGA Tour, you know, Commissioner Molly Marcusseman, she

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:46.159
<v Speaker 5>addressed the media Saturday morning. Okay, so Friday was the

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 5>shit show. And really my first whiff of it was

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 5>we were walking out to the first t six forty

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 5>five am in the morning. That is like the pinnacle,

0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 5>at least for Friday of the Solheim Cup. It's that

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 5>first t experience. It should be rocking, it should be packed.

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:05.920
<v Speaker 5>They have a DJ, you know, the music's going. It's

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 5>really the best atmosphere anywhere in women's golf. And we

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 5>walked out there and in the stands were at least

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:16.360
<v Speaker 5>half empty, and it's like, guy, like, holy shit, what's

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 5>going on here? And you come to find out all

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.720
<v Speaker 5>of these thousands of fans who they had directed to

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 5>a parking facility and the plan was to use charter

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 5>buses to get them to the golf course, well, they

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 5>quite simply just didn't have enough buses. And whether that

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 5>was just a gross negligence and planning, whether that was hey,

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 5>we didn't quite expect that many people Friday morning, I

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 5>don't think it matters, because it just had to be

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:42.679
<v Speaker 5>better and so right.

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 1>The ultimate results is that we end up with being

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 1>able to without that context, either blame the product and

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>say it didn't draw or use the same excuses we've

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>seen for years in women's sports, which is a constant

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:58.760
<v Speaker 1>underestimation of interest, and that results in saying, oh, everything's

0:25:58.760 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>sold out in twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's a lost profit.

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>If you sold out everything immediately, that means you didn't

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 1>make enough, you didn't account for enough, and we use

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:08.640
<v Speaker 1>that as a positive and instead, what it ultimately does

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 1>is point to final numbers that allow people to keep

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>under investing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so frustrating, it's.

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 5>So frustrating and I'll just say from our perspective, like

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 5>with no laying up, this has been an event. We've

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.439
<v Speaker 5>been telling everybody in our audience, Hey, this is a

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.639
<v Speaker 5>wonderful event. If you're going to come to one event,

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 5>if you live in the area, get out to the

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 5>Solheim Cup. And a lot of those people were having

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 5>a nightmare situation, you know, to two and a half,

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 5>three and a half hours just waiting in a line

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 5>to get on a bus to get to the golf course.

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 5>And you just can't help but feel like, how many

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 5>people this would have been their first impression of women's

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 5>golf and you just don't get a duel over on that,

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 5>and it's frustrating, well, and it's totally frustrating.

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 1>The Cup presentation from NBC left a little something to

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<v Speaker 1>be desired to what happened there.

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.439
<v Speaker 5>Just short I think Stacy Lewis got picked up on

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:04.639
<v Speaker 5>somewhat of like a hot mic being like is that

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 5>it it just Sarah for anybody that's ever listened to

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:14.719
<v Speaker 5>our podcast. Part of the problem in my opinion with

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 5>the women's game in golf right now is I don't

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 5>think they're broadcast partner. Who is NBC Golf Channel? I

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 5>just don't think that they are in a position where, hey,

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 5>the LPG you see women's sports growing everywhere, right, we

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 5>are there is a wave here that can be profitable

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.360
<v Speaker 5>for people too, you know, like it's not just out

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.120
<v Speaker 5>of like, oh the goodness of our heart, we want

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 5>to do this. It's like, no, this is business, right,

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 5>there is interest, and you just don't see the broadcast

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 5>partner investing or really giving a damn at the end

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 5>of the day about the product. And I think that's

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:58.919
<v Speaker 5>a massive problem. And the bus issue, the logistics, it

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.640
<v Speaker 5>kind of speaks to we have real reservations about like, hey,

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 5>is the LPGA as an organization, are they equipped with

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 5>the resources, the manpower, the will to like catch this

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 5>wave because you go back to the start of the season,

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 5>Nelly Korda having won five straight events, like that should

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 5>have been.

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Ever, should have been huge, It should have been everywhere.

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and it just you know, on the heels of

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 5>Caitlin Clark, and there's so much good stuff happening in

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:33.200
<v Speaker 5>soccer right and it just feels like man between between

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 5>the organization, between the broadcast partner, it just felt like

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 5>a wasted opportunity where you have this young photogenic, marketable

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 5>American star like guys. It was served up on a

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 5>silver platter to you, and I feel like it was

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 5>a bit of a wasted opportunity.

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say.

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, one of the things that the LPGA has

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote struggled with or had to try to figure

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>out a way to monetize and really popular is a

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of foreign born players that were starring in their tournaments,

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of them that weren't native English speakers.

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Made it a little bit harder to stir up interest

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>in America. But then you get someone like Nelly Korda

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>doing something like that and you're like, Okay, here's your moment,

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Like what are you doing with it? And the answer

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>was not much. I'm just wondering, how can the LPGA

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>take advantage of this moment? What can they do, how

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>do they get you know, you do see Nelly in

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 1>some commercials, You've seen her get out to some events

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>where she's interacting with people, But like, it feels like

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>there's so much more that they could be doing with

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 1>some of the names that are coming out right now.

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 5>And I think that's a great way to put it there.

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 5>It seems like there's more they can be doing, because

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to say they haven't done anything. You know,

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 5>there is effort, and it's not because of a lack

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 5>of effort. I just think and listen. If I had

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 5>all the answers, I would probably not be sitting here.

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm just a guy behind the microphone it

0:29:54.000 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 5>spewing opinions. But in my opinion, I think, listen the

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 5>LPGA Tour. Mike Wan was a charismatic, beloved commissioner of

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 5>the LPGA Tour who resigned that position to go become

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 5>the head of the United States Golf Association. And I

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 5>like Molly Markusseman. I've I've played a pro am with her.

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 5>She's she was so easy to talk to. But you

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 5>just wonder with that transition of power, you know, I

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 5>think there was real momentum, and it just gets back to,

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 5>you know, from from the top down, is the LPGA

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 5>Tour doing enough to and can they do enough? And

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 5>that's the thing, like we don't know because there's not

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 5>great transparency, But you just wonder about the resources, the manpower,

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 5>you know, how much money is at their disposal to

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 5>really get creative that they're in a TV contract that

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 5>was negotiated for him years ago by the PGA Tour,

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 5>and they just get short shrift at every turn.

0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>It feels like, creatively though, there's so many spaces that

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>they haven't tried.

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>There's so many things they haven't tried.

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 1>There's some really cool independent creators and folks that have

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>smaller shows. There was a great sketch that was kind

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>of flipping on its head the idea of a men's

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>only club and it was a women's only club, but

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 1>she was bringing your boyfriend. We'll link to it in

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>our show notes for the people who haven't watched. It

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 1>was really clever, just showing all the ways that in

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>little baby steps, you can go and try to play

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>golf and you'll still feel like you aren't welcome.

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>That could be anything from nothing at.

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 1>The pro shop for you, to the women's locker room

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>being like a couple stalls while the men's is this

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 1>like gorgeous, luxurious spa. And the sketch did it in

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:37.719
<v Speaker 1>a way that felt much more young and compelling than

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 1>simply complaining.

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 2>And it feels like.

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of opportunities to do cool, young,

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>interesting stuff.

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to talk about this later in the show.

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Not always do I agree with them, like a partnership

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>with Barstool, but there are other interesting, compelling people and

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.719
<v Speaker 1>places that want to bring these athletes to light, and

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like they're getting in their own way sometime.

0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>What about a paired LPGAPGA tour.

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of people we've had that, But

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>what if we had both sides bringing all their top

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>ranked players and you really had the draw of seeing

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>that these women are doing. Like, honestly, what more people

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>at home can relate to than watching the guys with

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>their drives that you're never touching no matter how many

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>times you practice.

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, God, there's a lot to unpacked there. No, no, no,

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 5>it was it was all spot on. Let me start

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 5>with your last point about the potential of a mixed

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 5>you know, female male event. They have gotten that going.

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 5>It's it's at the end of the year and it

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 5>is an exhibition event. Okay, I apologize. My dog Arthur

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 5>is starting to bark if that's in the pack, and

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 5>I literally.

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Just let my dog in the room and out just

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 1>to prevent him from crying. He doesn't know where he

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>wants to be, but it's near here, so we're both

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 1>in the same boat.

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 5>I'm guessing the male man might be visiting right now.

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 5>So there is a mixed event at the end of

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.239
<v Speaker 5>the year. They put you know, they can create their

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 5>own teams, but they put one female with one male

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 5>and you play thirty six holes and it's great, but

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 5>it's not you know, there's really no stakes to it.

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 5>It doesn't happen.

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>The best men weren't there when they did it, right,

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>the top ranked women were, but most of the top

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<v Speaker 1>ranked men weren't.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you had a handful, but certainly not like hey,

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<v Speaker 5>just going down the line. And the men's game is

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<v Speaker 5>so fractured right now too that that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole live and everything else.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, can of worms where I wanted to go with

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<v Speaker 5>this though. And Stacy Lewis, who is a great voice

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<v Speaker 5>and a huge proponent, I think probably the most important

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 5>voice really right now in the women's game. She came

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<v Speaker 5>out but prior to the Solheim Cup and said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>the President's Cup, which people might not know the President's Cup,

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<v Speaker 5>it's actually happening next week on the men's side, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's essentially like the Solheim Cup or the Ryder Cup,

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 5>which is the PGA equivalent. The President's Cup is team

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<v Speaker 5>USA versus the entire world minus Europe. And you mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>earlier the strength in women's golf in Asia between Japan, Korea, Thailand,

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 5>China's beginning to emerge. They have so much talent there.

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 5>And so what Stacy's point was, and this is a

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 5>drum that I will beat too, is the President's Cup

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:24.359
<v Speaker 5>should be a mixed event with that feeling of hey,

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:28.280
<v Speaker 5>this is a major event. Yeah, you could take you know, truly,

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 5>six of the top American men, six of the top

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<v Speaker 5>American women, six of the top international men, six of

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 5>the top international women, and it would be a wonderful event,

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 5>I think. And the President's Cup has been dominated by

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 5>the United States. They've only lost one time going back

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 5>to the nineties, and the President's Cup needs a refresh

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 5>I think as is, like, it's not competitive, and if

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:55.320
<v Speaker 5>you introduce the international women, who are as a group

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 5>extremely strong, all of a sudden you have a much

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 5>more captivating President's Cup. I love this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great idea.

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 5>That's an area. Yeah, that would be awesome to see.

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Do you have any ideas for listeners who want to

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>get into watching and supporting women's golf.

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.879
<v Speaker 2>What are a couple first steps? Obviously follow no laying up, listen, read,

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.280
<v Speaker 1>But what are some good places to go and first

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:17.959
<v Speaker 1>steps to take an entry point?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I have to be brutally honest sometimes my biggest

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 5>frustration is being a fan of women's golf can be

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 5>a can be a bit of a challenge because the

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 5>broadcasts are you know, sometimes it's tape delayed. Sometimes it's

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 5>you just never quite know what platform is it on

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 5>Golf Channel, is it on Peacock, is it here? Is

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 5>it there? I just want to warn people it can

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 5>be a bit of a challenge right now, and that's

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 5>part of our frustration. But we are we have made

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 5>a big commitment to you know, our goal is, Hey,

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 5>we've we've been doing this for years on the men's side.

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.880
<v Speaker 5>There's no reason we shouldn't be giving as much equal

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 5>attention on the women's side. There are a number of

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 5>wonderful people out there. I would say beth Anne Nichols,

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 5>who writes for Golf Week, has been and somebody that's

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 5>covering the LPGA tour for twenty years. She's kind of

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:08.239
<v Speaker 5>like the og meg Atkins at the at website called

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 5>the Frida Egg is doing really good things. Gabby Herdzig

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 5>for anybody that subscribes to The Athletic, she is a

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 5>wonderful golf writer. So there are journalists and there are

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 5>people covering the game, but it could use a lot

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 5>more creativity. The video that you mentioned earlier, I believe

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 5>was Hallie Ledbetter.

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was it.

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's a wonderful video. It's more of a one

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 5>off at this point, so like part of part of

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 5>my like I wish I could sit here, Sarah and

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:42.439
<v Speaker 5>just be like, oh go here, go here, go here.

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 5>These are all wonderful. It's a challenge right now, and

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 5>that's something that you know, it takes a village, but

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 5>I think it starts with like the LPGA Tour has

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 5>to have a real vision, in a real drive, and

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 5>that allows people like us at no laying up to like,

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 5>hey we bring us along, you know, like let's let's

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 5>we're all in this together, let's elevate the game. So

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 5>I love that.

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 2>It's a challenge, which means it's an opportunity.

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>So yes, hopefully there are people listening who are women's

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>golf fans that are thinking to themselves I've got ideas,

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I've got creative approaches, I've got my own sketches, I've

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:19.280
<v Speaker 1>got my own thoughts that can can do something and follow.

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 2>No laying up.

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 1>Listen, watch to all your stuff, and maybe even pitch

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 1>y'all on some content if they want to get involved

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and add their own take, cause it's really I have

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>to admit, like I used to play golf a lot,

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>not as much lately, but when I get into it,

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm into it.

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just hard.

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 1>There's not a lot of entry points, and it feels

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>like it needs to ride the wave of women's sports

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>fandom right now, like you mentioned, and we need some

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 1>more opportunities to do so.

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 2>But no laying up.

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Love that the coverage is as much about the women

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>as the men, and love that you're bringing some of

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the fun to it. So thanks so much, Randy, Phil, Phil,

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Randy Big Phil, Randy for coming on.

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to go make sure Arthur is okay. But

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 5>I did just want to add one thing. If you

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 5>go to LPGA dot com check out their schedule. If

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 5>you live around an area where the LPGA hosts an event,

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 5>that's a great way to get introduced to the game

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 5>and I'll say in my experience, you know, bring a child,

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 5>bring bring friends. It is such a welcoming environment. The

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 5>players are so available for autographs. They'll you know, they

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.879
<v Speaker 5>they'll high five you. It's just a wonderful first access point.

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 5>So I should have mentioned that, get out and watch

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 5>the golf, you know, follow somebody that you've heard of,

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 5>follow somebody that you've never heard of. I think you'll

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 5>have a really good time.

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 2>So I love it.

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 4>Er.

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 2>You gave us a lot of names.

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you gave us a lot of names to follow,

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 1>and now we've got to find some tournaments to get

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to as well. Go check on Arthur, give them a

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>boot for us, and welcome to the world of being

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:45.720
<v Speaker 1>a dog person.

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.360
<v Speaker 2>You're late, but I'm glad you made it better.

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 5>Late than number. Thank you, Sarah.

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Thanks again to Phil for taking the time. And another

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>quick thought on the LPGA here before we move on.

0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 1>It involves their merchandise partnership with Barstool Sports, and justa

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 1>heads up that this is going to mention rape culture,

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 1>sexual harassment, and allegations of sexual abuse. So a few

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, I was kind of poking around some golf

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.560
<v Speaker 1>sites reading a bunch of LPGA coverage, and I was

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:15.360
<v Speaker 1>surprised to see an LPGA times Barstool merchandise club. Now,

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 1>if you're not familiar with barstool, they're a sports website.

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>They've got blogs, podcasts, videos, and a really heavy social

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 1>media presence. They are wildly popular, especially with white men

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 1>and college kids. They've been at the heart of some

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:30.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty big controversies, including founder Dave Portnoy being the subject

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 1>of investigation in which two women accused him of sexual assault.

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>He made a video saying to the CEO of the

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 1>site investigating him, quote your head is going to be

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>on my spike, and he encouraged his millions of followers

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 1>to harass the author of another story on the investigation.

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Portnoy was also charged with violating the National Labor Relations

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Act and has been caught on tape using multiple racist slurs.

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>They have a recurring series grading the attractiveness of female

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 1>high school and junior high teachers who rape their male students.

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:58.879
<v Speaker 1>A twenty ten blog post read, if you're a size

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 1>six and you're wearing skinny g you kind of deserve

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>to be raped, and Portnoy said of the SIT's quote unquote,

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.919
<v Speaker 1>blackout parties just to make friends with the feminists. I'd

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 1>like to reiterate that we don't condone rape of any

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 1>kind at our blackout parties. However, if a chick passes out,

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>that's a gray area. Barstool has published nude photos of

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>an athlete's toddler child and commented on the kids genitalia size.

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>They've sexualized, harassed, and threatened female reporters, including saying one

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>should quote unquote be sleeping with one eye open and

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.720
<v Speaker 1>should watch her back. They'll turn their army of fans

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 1>against anyone who speaks ill of the site or challenges

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 1>their work. In fact, there's a good chance just me

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 1>saying this will result in an attack from the barstool folks,

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.320
<v Speaker 1>even though everything I've said is proven and is fact.

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>The site can also be very funny. The site has

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 1>rallied its rabid followers to do some great things, like

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 1>raise a whole lot of money for good causes. The

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>college campus accounts tap into a certain culture that's particularly

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 1>hard to resist for young folks who want to fit in,

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 1>have fun, see the funny videos, and be in on

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:57.240
<v Speaker 1>all the jokes and stories around school. It feels risky

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 1>and raunchy and provocative. It's a thrill for young people

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>or for people who have decided that the world is

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.880
<v Speaker 1>too sanitized or quote unquote woke or safe. Barstool highlights

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes fights and disagreements between coworkers, kind of

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>like a reality show, and they've done a really good

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>job turning employees into characters that fans want to follow

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 1>and know more about. One of their podcasts consistently gets

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:20.399
<v Speaker 1>the top guests. They've got a hold on a young

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>audience that brands are dying to get to, which I

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>guess explains why the LPGA would want to be in

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.880
<v Speaker 1>business with them, despite their long history of misogyny and

0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>their lengthy list of former partnerships that blew up and

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>ended in either controversy or lawsuits. I reached out to

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>the LPGA and they came back with this statement quote.

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Female athletes and leagues deserve broader mainstream coverage and to

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.840
<v Speaker 1>be elevated By attending LPGA tournaments and covering our athletes.

0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Barstool Golf has helped and shown a commitment to expanding

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>the reach of women's golf as they've done for the

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.479
<v Speaker 1>men's game. The LPGA is dedicated to growing the game

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and providing more opportunities to women in golf. It's critical

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.240
<v Speaker 1>that we engage new and younger audiences. We are trying

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>collaborations with the range of platforms that will allow us

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to promote the sport and celebrate women's golf, further elevating

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the women's game and our athletes.

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 2>End quote.

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, folks want to watch, or read or listen to

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>barstool that's on them. There's a lot of content out

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 1>there that's not my favorite or I don't agree with,

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's not my culture into I do, however, worry

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 1>about major companies, especially companies serving women, getting into the

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 1>business of barstool, and mostly I worry about it extending

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the time that girls and young women spend under the

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>thumb of misogyny. Today's culture is so much better than

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the one that I came up in my twenties, where

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 1>every single sports blog was half sports and then half

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 1>hot wives and girlfriends, hometown hotties, top ten hottest sports

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>reporter lists. It was inescapable, and the only way to

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 1>be in on the sports jokes and enjoy the culture

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 1>of sports was to accept or even join the bro

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:49.280
<v Speaker 1>culture that was mocking women and it's not like that anymore.

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I want girls and young women to get to a

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 1>place earlier in life where they align with women, support women,

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 1>uplift other women, and care more about becoming leaders themselves

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>than impress and serving men. And I know that male

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>leadership is still the norm. I know that proximity to

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.280
<v Speaker 1>power and centuries of patriarchy pushes us to prioritize serving

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and pleasing and earning the respective men in order to

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>move up the latter and find success and be accepted

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 1>and liked in the rooms where things happen. But if

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 1>we break away from that earlier and younger, we can

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 1>create more spaces that are run by women, with cultures

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 1>that serve everyone better. I remember when I read Glennon

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Doyle's Untamed, and I wished that I had had it

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 1>decades earlier, so I could identify all the ways that

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I had internalized misogyny and I had doubted myself and

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 1>other women because of what society ingrained in me. While

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 1>that book and so much more content like that, is

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 1>out there now, and I hope that women in their

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:45.919
<v Speaker 1>teens and twenties are reading it, talking about it, sharing.

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:46.239
<v Speaker 2>It, and living it.

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Because when we sell out to places with popularity that's

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 1>earned through racism, misogyny, and rape culture. We continue to

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<v Speaker 1>tell women that success can only come by abandoning our morals,

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<v Speaker 1>our standards, our self respect, and our safety, and that cannot.

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<v Speaker 2>Be the way. We got to take another break. Stick around.

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<v Speaker 2>You're back. We're back to welcome back. We love that

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening, but we want to get you in the

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<v Speaker 2>game every day too. So here's our good game play

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. If this is it, we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to believe it, but the Phoenix Mercury keep telling us.

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<v Speaker 1>So Thursday could really be Diana Trossi's last regular season game.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to hear from you. What is your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>DT memory.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd especially love to hear your beautiful voices, So leave

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<v Speaker 1>and review. Like Shimshady thirty three, who wrote in part

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<v Speaker 1>after the first few episodes, it quickly moved into my

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<v Speaker 1>regular daily rotation of podcasts. If you've ever watched Theah

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<v Speaker 1>on ESPN, you know she's funny, knowledgeable, and relatable. Well

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<v Speaker 1>topics and guests have range and are entertaining. I consider

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<v Speaker 1>myself a sports scal so it's nice to have a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast tailored to me, not a pod where one in

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<v Speaker 1>every twelve episodes is tailored to me. FYI, that's literally

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<v Speaker 1>not tailored. That's TJ Max Clearance rack. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>your Homeboys podcast. Five stars, Thanks Shim Shady. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast for your homeboy, your homegirl, your home non binary,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody in between. And we're glad that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's meant for you. One more rating, Dogs Infinity

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<v Speaker 1>out of five stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>John Oliver's Emmy speech, as disjointed as it was, touched

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of hearts, and he shouted out the beloved

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<v Speaker 1>family dog that he and his.

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<v Speaker 2>Wife just lost.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a dog that was there through moves and

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<v Speaker 1>babies and a pandemic, and anyone who is a dog

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<v Speaker 1>person can relate, even newbie dog guys like Big Randy.

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<v Speaker 1>As the mother of three, two of them getting a

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<v Speaker 1>little long in the tooth. I really see every day

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<v Speaker 1>that I get with them as a gift because they

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<v Speaker 1>never live long enough. And it's probably why sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>might hear them contribute to the show because I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel bad making them go anywhere. I just want them

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<v Speaker 1>near me at all times. You truly do not deserve dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Go rescue one or twelve. I promise it'll change your life. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now your turn, rate and review. Thanks for listening. See

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<v Speaker 1>you tomorrow. Good game, Phil, Good game, Asia's mom, you

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