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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we just

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Speaker 1: want Asia Wilson to have all the balls. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking with Phil Landis aka Big Randy about

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Speaker 1: the Solheim Cup, the state of women's golf, and being

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Speaker 1: a dog guy, plus a new woman in bronze red carpet, advice,

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Speaker 1: and lots of balls. It's all coming up right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, my little slices. Here's what you need to

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Speaker 1: know today. We mentioned yesterday Asia Wilson becoming the first

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Speaker 1: WNBA player to score one thousand points in a season,

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Speaker 1: but we need to spend a few more minutes talking

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Speaker 1: about the postgame celebration and all the high jinks. After

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Speaker 1: the game, Wilson was gifted the game ball with her

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Speaker 1: parents by her side, a very wholesome, family friendly moment

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Speaker 1: until Ace's teammate Sidney Colson came along. Colson had a

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Speaker 1: field day on social media, writing on Twitter, quote, that's

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Speaker 1: now two balls you've been able to take home with

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Speaker 1: you this season, Asia Wilson. Asia replied with quote, just

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Speaker 1: adding another pair, and that's when missus Wilson. Asia's mom

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Speaker 1: entered the chat, writing in all caps, Asia Asia played

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Speaker 1: it off with a classic defense, saying someone hacked my account. Mom.

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Speaker 1: Now that might be an excuse that some naive dorm

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Speaker 1: room mamas would believe, but not me and not missus

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Speaker 1: Wilson either, I'm sure, But back to the balls. Asia's

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Speaker 1: not so undercover boob Bam Autebio tweeted out after the

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Speaker 1: game as well.

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Speaker 2: He wrote, hope.

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Speaker 1: Everybody finds a thousand reasons to smile on this lovely Sunday.

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Speaker 1: A apostrophe thousand stop. It's Hispanic Heritage, a mont celebrated

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Speaker 1: in the US from September fifteenth to October fifteenth. The

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Speaker 1: month recognizes the contributions, influence, and achievements of this Hispanic

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Speaker 1: and Latine community that includes our girl, Diana Tarassi, whose

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Speaker 1: mother was born and raised in Argentina. She's in action

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Speaker 1: tonight with her Phoenix Mercury taken on the Sparks at

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Speaker 1: ten thirty pm Eastern, and it could be the second

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Speaker 1: to last regular season game of her incredible career. Ew

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Speaker 1: I hate it so much. We got four more WNBA

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Speaker 1: game tonight, including the two seed Minnesota Links taken on

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Speaker 1: the three seed Connecticut Sun at seven Eastern and the

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Speaker 1: four seed Las Vegas aces taken on the five seed

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Speaker 1: Seattle Storm at ten Eastern plus. The Mystics, Sky, and

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Speaker 1: Dream are all in action tonight two as they continue

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Speaker 1: to fight for that last playoff spot.

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Speaker 2: Little update on where that three way race stands.

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Speaker 1: The Mystic, Sky and Dream are all thirteen and twenty

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Speaker 1: five right now. DC holds the eighth seed for the

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Speaker 1: moment they win the tiebreaker because they've got a better

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Speaker 1: combined head to head record against Chicago in Atlanta. Chicago's

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Speaker 1: got the ninth spot thanks to a two to one

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Speaker 1: head to head record against Atlanta, and the Dream are

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Speaker 2: To the tenth spot.

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Speaker 1: Got it, It's not all that important.

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Speaker 2: Just watch the games and see who wins. We'll figure

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Speaker 2: it out. More hoops.

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Speaker 1: It had been a couple weeks since we got the

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Speaker 1: latest Unrivaled reveal, but on Monday, the new three on

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Speaker 1: three league announced the twentieth player to sign on, and

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Speaker 1: it's Courtney Vander. Salute Slutie, y'all. The talent in this

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Speaker 1: league is going to be so good. Every game is

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Speaker 1: basically going to be a three on three All star game.

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped to soccer and the Under twenty World Cup.

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Speaker 1: The US and Germany faced off in an epic quarterfinal

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Speaker 2: On Monday in Colombia.

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Speaker 1: Down two zero to two minutes left, tem USA pulled

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Speaker 1: Dudley scoring in the eighth minute of stoppage time and

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Speaker 1: Utah Royals rookie Ali Sentnor finding the equalizer in the

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Speaker 1: for the first time since twenty sixteen, where they'll take

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Speaker 1: on North Korea. It's a promising result for the US

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Speaker 1: given how much the youth national teams have struggled in

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Speaker 1: recent seasons. Tmusa last won the U twenty World Cup

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Speaker 2: To College hoops were.

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Speaker 1: Less than fifty days from the start of women's college basketball,

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Speaker 1: and over the weekend, Don Staley and the defending champion

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Speaker 1: South Carolina game Cocks appeared on ESPN's College Game Day

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Speaker 1: announcing some big plans for this season.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen for this group, for this team to

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Speaker 2: What's the repeat tour?

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Speaker 4: Let's go last.

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Speaker 1: That's right, the repeat Tour looks like the rest of

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Speaker 1: women's college hoops has been put on notice.

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Speaker 2: We've got some statue newspeople.

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Speaker 1: coach Patty Gasso, a National Fast Pitch Coaches Association Hall

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Speaker 1: During her thirty one seasons at Oklahoma, Gasso has won

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Speaker 1: eight national championships, including four in a row, and has

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Speaker 2: She's also been named Big Twelve Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 1: On fifteen different occasions and is the winningest active coach

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Speaker 1: More statues of women, More statues of women, Yes to

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Speaker 1: the red carpet Our. Rugby queen Alona mar was at

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Speaker 1: the Emmys on Sunday night, giving espnW her advice for

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Speaker 2: Take a listen.

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Speaker 3: First off, try mini sports out rugby might not be

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Speaker 3: something to be objectified, and our bodies are so much

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Speaker 1: So Abbott Elementary Cheryl Lee Ralph came with some real

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Speaker 4: Everybody told me that sports was not for me. I

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Speaker 4: not because I did anything other than try. I tried.

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Speaker 1: By the way, to the Young People Listing or parents

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Speaker 1: if complaining doesn't work, threaten to sue and actually follow through.

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Speaker 1: on how the Solheim Cup works because we're going to

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Speaker 1: it's a three day competition with teams and each team

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Speaker 1: He covers golf for the website No Laying Up. Is

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Speaker 1: a proud Miami of Ohio, a lum and has an

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Speaker 1: adorable pup named Arthur that's turned him into a dog guy.

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Speaker 1: It's Phil Landis aka Big Randy. What's up Phil, Randy?

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Speaker 1: Randy Phil?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, take your pick there, Sarah. I am great. I

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Speaker 5: am just back. I got in late last night, Sunday night,

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Speaker 5: from a wonderful week outside of our nation's capital covering

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Speaker 5: the Solheim Cup. It's one of my favorite events. This

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: is Phil Landis you go buy Big Randy? Why do

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Speaker 5: They called him Big Randy. And so in our disgusting

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Speaker 5: And I'm more of an introvert, and especially when I'm

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of is called Chorsy. For those who

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Speaker 1: are wondering, it's called Shorzy. If anyone wants to watch.

439
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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed Marky, Yeah, I've enjoyed the first couple episode

440
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Speaker 1: and definitely.

441
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Speaker 2: Some tarps off.

442
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Speaker 1: Let's talk Lexi Thompson, probably her last Solheim Cup.

443
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Speaker 2: She's announced her plans to retire after this year.

444
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Speaker 1: An eleven time LPGA Tour winner, a major champion, a

445
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Speaker 1: two time Olympian, longtime Stalheime Cup team member. Can you

446
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Speaker 1: talk about the legacy that she's leaving on the game

447
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 1: of golf when she's done, and if you're surprised at

448
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Speaker 1: all that at twenty nine she's hanging them up.

449
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Speaker 5: Gosh. I think with everything Lexi there, it is such

450
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 5: a shade of gray with her and it is such

451
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Speaker 5: a mixed bag. I'll say her legacy is one she

452
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Speaker 5: is widely beloved and respected by her peers and the

453
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Speaker 5: fans of the LPGA Tour. I don't think anybody signs

454
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Speaker 5: more autographs for anybody, especially kids. Lexi is very giving

455
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Speaker 5: of her time while she's out on the golf course.

456
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Speaker 5: Where it gets a bit mixed is Lexi's always had

457
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Speaker 5: a little bit of a frosty relationship with the media

458
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Speaker 5: and you know, however you feel about that, it's it's

459
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Speaker 5: part of her legacy. I think in terms of actual golf,

460
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Speaker 5: she's been one of the foremost American women of the

461
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Speaker 5: last fifteen years. I think she's been a very important

462
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Speaker 5: part of American women's golf. She started at a very

463
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Speaker 5: young age, and so for that reason, again, I was saying,

464
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 5: how much of a grind this can be imagined getting

465
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Speaker 5: out onto tour as a professional at fourteen years old.

466
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Speaker 5: I've been doing it for fifteen years. You know, that's

467
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 5: a heck of a career for anybody in any field.

468
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Speaker 1: Especially if you start to get worse, right, and you

469
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Speaker 1: aren't guaranteed to get better.

470
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Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter the age you're at it.

471
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Speaker 1: You might just feel like, well, I guess I peaked

472
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Speaker 1: at seventeen or whatever.

473
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Speaker 5: Now I know, And she did win a major fairly early.

474
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Speaker 5: She's had major heartbreaks, is really has what has defined

475
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Speaker 5: her play in the last several years. But I don't

476
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Speaker 5: blame her for wanting to take a step back from golf.

477
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Speaker 5: I think we'll still see her in events. I think

478
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Speaker 5: she'll be very choosy about where and when and on

479
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Speaker 5: what terms she plays. I don't think this is a

480
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 5: cold retirement from golf. But at age thirty, it's like, hey,

481
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 5: you've proved yourself in professional golf and you're still not

482
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 5: even thirty years old right now, she's nine, And so

483
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 5: for that, I'm like, I'm a bit envious of her,

484
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 5: though the gold is truly her oyster, and I really

485
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Speaker 5: hope she's able to whatever it is that makes her happy, professionally,

486
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Speaker 5: starting a family, whatever it may be. I think she

487
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Speaker 5: deserves to go pursue that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the nice thing about golf is if you

489
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Speaker 1: change your mind, if you're mostly still got your body

490
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Speaker 1: parts working, you can always come back Senior tour or

491
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Speaker 1: come later like you got plenty of years left. It's

492
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Speaker 1: not quite the same as other sports when you say goodbye.

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Speaker 5: No, and they would gladly have her back again, just

494
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Speaker 5: because she's such a fan favorite and she still draws crowds.

495
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Speaker 5: You know, you men kind of be in out of

496
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Speaker 5: form relatively speaking. She is still one of the biggest

497
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Speaker 5: attractions any golf tournament you go to, And so, yeah,

498
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Speaker 5: if she wants to come back, she will be welcomed back,

499
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Speaker 5: and honestly, she'll probably be a Solheim Cup cap in

500
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Speaker 5: sooner than later.

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Speaker 2: Nice, very cool.

502
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Speaker 1: It seemed like quite a crowd there, but maybe some

503
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Speaker 1: trouble accommodating.

504
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Speaker 2: How was it in person?

505
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Speaker 1: And did it feel like the organizers expected maybe fewer

506
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Speaker 1: fans or just didn't have their shit together.

507
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't have their shit together Friday, and it's

508
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 5: a totally unforced air. I hate that it dominated the

509
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 5: first day headlines because it should have been about the golf.

510
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 5: It was perfect weather, Robert tren Jones Golf Club was

511
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 5: a great host venue. You had twenty excuse me, twenty

512
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 5: four of the best golfers in the world. They had

513
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 5: just played a very tight Solheim Cup the year prior

514
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 5: in Spain. All the focus should have been on the golf.

515
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 5: But the LPGA Tour, you know, Commissioner Molly Marcusseman, she

516
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 5: addressed the media Saturday morning. Okay, so Friday was the

517
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 5: shit show. And really my first whiff of it was

518
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 5: we were walking out to the first t six forty

519
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Speaker 5: five am in the morning. That is like the pinnacle,

520
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 5: at least for Friday of the Solheim Cup. It's that

521
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Speaker 5: first t experience. It should be rocking, it should be packed.

522
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 5: They have a DJ, you know, the music's going. It's

523
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 5: really the best atmosphere anywhere in women's golf. And we

524
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 5: walked out there and in the stands were at least

525
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 5: half empty, and it's like, guy, like, holy shit, what's

526
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 5: going on here? And you come to find out all

527
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 5: of these thousands of fans who they had directed to

528
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 5: a parking facility and the plan was to use charter

529
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 5: buses to get them to the golf course, well, they

530
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 5: quite simply just didn't have enough buses. And whether that

531
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 5: was just a gross negligence and planning, whether that was hey,

532
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 5: we didn't quite expect that many people Friday morning, I

533
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: don't think it matters, because it just had to be

534
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 5: better and so right.

535
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Speaker 1: The ultimate results is that we end up with being

536
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: able to without that context, either blame the product and

537
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: say it didn't draw or use the same excuses we've

538
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: seen for years in women's sports, which is a constant

539
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: underestimation of interest, and that results in saying, oh, everything's

540
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: sold out in twenty four hours.

541
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Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a lost profit.

542
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: If you sold out everything immediately, that means you didn't

543
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: make enough, you didn't account for enough, and we use

544
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: that as a positive and instead, what it ultimately does

545
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: is point to final numbers that allow people to keep

546
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: under investing.

547
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: It's so frustrating, it's.

548
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Speaker 5: So frustrating and I'll just say from our perspective, like

549
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 5: with no laying up, this has been an event. We've

550
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 5: been telling everybody in our audience, Hey, this is a

551
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 5: wonderful event. If you're going to come to one event,

552
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 5: if you live in the area, get out to the

553
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 5: Solheim Cup. And a lot of those people were having

554
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 5: a nightmare situation, you know, to two and a half,

555
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 5: three and a half hours just waiting in a line

556
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 5: to get on a bus to get to the golf course.

557
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 5: And you just can't help but feel like, how many

558
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 5: people this would have been their first impression of women's

559
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 5: golf and you just don't get a duel over on that,

560
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 5: and it's frustrating, well, and it's totally frustrating.

561
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: The Cup presentation from NBC left a little something to

562
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: be desired to what happened there.

563
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 5: Just short I think Stacy Lewis got picked up on

564
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 5: somewhat of like a hot mic being like is that

565
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 5: it it just Sarah for anybody that's ever listened to

566
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 5: our podcast. Part of the problem in my opinion with

567
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 5: the women's game in golf right now is I don't

568
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 5: think they're broadcast partner. Who is NBC Golf Channel? I

569
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 5: just don't think that they are in a position where, hey,

570
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 5: the LPG you see women's sports growing everywhere, right, we

571
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 5: are there is a wave here that can be profitable

572
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 5: for people too, you know, like it's not just out

573
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 5: of like, oh the goodness of our heart, we want

574
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 5: to do this. It's like, no, this is business, right,

575
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: there is interest, and you just don't see the broadcast

576
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 5: partner investing or really giving a damn at the end

577
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 5: of the day about the product. And I think that's

578
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 5: a massive problem. And the bus issue, the logistics, it

579
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 5: kind of speaks to we have real reservations about like, hey,

580
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 5: is the LPGA as an organization, are they equipped with

581
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 5: the resources, the manpower, the will to like catch this

582
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 5: wave because you go back to the start of the season,

583
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 5: Nelly Korda having won five straight events, like that should

584
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 5: have been.

585
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: Ever, should have been huge, It should have been everywhere.

586
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it just you know, on the heels of

587
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 5: Caitlin Clark, and there's so much good stuff happening in

588
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 5: soccer right and it just feels like man between between

589
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 5: the organization, between the broadcast partner, it just felt like

590
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: a wasted opportunity where you have this young photogenic, marketable

591
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 5: American star like guys. It was served up on a

592
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 5: silver platter to you, and I feel like it was

593
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 5: a bit of a wasted opportunity.

594
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say.

595
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that the LPGA has

596
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: quote unquote struggled with or had to try to figure

597
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: out a way to monetize and really popular is a

598
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: lot of foreign born players that were starring in their tournaments,

599
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of them that weren't native English speakers.

600
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: Made it a little bit harder to stir up interest

601
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: in America. But then you get someone like Nelly Korda

602
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: doing something like that and you're like, Okay, here's your moment,

603
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing with it? And the answer

604
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: was not much. I'm just wondering, how can the LPGA

605
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: take advantage of this moment? What can they do, how

606
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: do they get you know, you do see Nelly in

607
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: some commercials, You've seen her get out to some events

608
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: where she's interacting with people, But like, it feels like

609
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: there's so much more that they could be doing with

610
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: some of the names that are coming out right now.

611
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 5: And I think that's a great way to put it there.

612
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 5: It seems like there's more they can be doing, because

613
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 5: I don't want to say they haven't done anything. You know,

614
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 5: there is effort, and it's not because of a lack

615
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 5: of effort. I just think and listen. If I had

616
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 5: all the answers, I would probably not be sitting here.

617
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just a guy behind the microphone it

618
00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 5: spewing opinions. But in my opinion, I think, listen the

619
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 5: LPGA Tour. Mike Wan was a charismatic, beloved commissioner of

620
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 5: the LPGA Tour who resigned that position to go become

621
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 5: the head of the United States Golf Association. And I

622
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 5: like Molly Markusseman. I've I've played a pro am with her.

623
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Speaker 5: She's she was so easy to talk to. But you

624
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 5: just wonder with that transition of power, you know, I

625
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: think there was real momentum, and it just gets back to,

626
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 5: you know, from from the top down, is the LPGA

627
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 5: Tour doing enough to and can they do enough? And

628
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 5: that's the thing, like we don't know because there's not

629
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 5: great transparency, But you just wonder about the resources, the manpower,

630
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 5: you know, how much money is at their disposal to

631
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 5: really get creative that they're in a TV contract that

632
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 5: was negotiated for him years ago by the PGA Tour,

633
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 5: and they just get short shrift at every turn.

634
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Speaker 1: It feels like, creatively though, there's so many spaces that

635
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: they haven't tried.

636
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: There's so many things they haven't tried.

637
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: There's some really cool independent creators and folks that have

638
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: smaller shows. There was a great sketch that was kind

639
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: of flipping on its head the idea of a men's

640
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: only club and it was a women's only club, but

641
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: she was bringing your boyfriend. We'll link to it in

642
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: our show notes for the people who haven't watched. It

643
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: was really clever, just showing all the ways that in

644
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: little baby steps, you can go and try to play

645
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: golf and you'll still feel like you aren't welcome.

646
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: That could be anything from nothing at.

647
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: The pro shop for you, to the women's locker room

648
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: being like a couple stalls while the men's is this

649
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: like gorgeous, luxurious spa. And the sketch did it in

650
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 1: a way that felt much more young and compelling than

651
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: simply complaining.

652
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: And it feels like.

653
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: There are a lot of opportunities to do cool, young,

654
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: interesting stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to talk about this later in the show.

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Speaker 1: Not always do I agree with them, like a partnership

657
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Speaker 1: with Barstool, but there are other interesting, compelling people and

658
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Speaker 1: places that want to bring these athletes to light, and

659
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Speaker 1: I just feel like they're getting in their own way sometime.

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Speaker 2: What about a paired LPGAPGA tour.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people we've had that, But

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Speaker 1: what if we had both sides bringing all their top

663
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Speaker 1: ranked players and you really had the draw of seeing

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Speaker 1: that these women are doing. Like, honestly, what more people

665
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Speaker 1: at home can relate to than watching the guys with

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Speaker 1: their drives that you're never touching no matter how many

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Speaker 1: times you practice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, God, there's a lot to unpacked there. No, no, no,

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Speaker 5: it was it was all spot on. Let me start

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Speaker 5: with your last point about the potential of a mixed

671
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Speaker 5: you know, female male event. They have gotten that going.

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Speaker 5: It's it's at the end of the year and it

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Speaker 5: is an exhibition event. Okay, I apologize. My dog Arthur

674
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Speaker 5: is starting to bark if that's in the pack, and

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Speaker 5: I literally.

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Speaker 1: Just let my dog in the room and out just

677
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Speaker 1: to prevent him from crying. He doesn't know where he

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Speaker 1: wants to be, but it's near here, so we're both

679
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Speaker 1: in the same boat.

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Speaker 5: I'm guessing the male man might be visiting right now.

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Speaker 5: So there is a mixed event at the end of

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Speaker 5: the year. They put you know, they can create their

683
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Speaker 5: own teams, but they put one female with one male

684
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Speaker 5: and you play thirty six holes and it's great, but

685
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Speaker 5: it's not you know, there's really no stakes to it.

686
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Speaker 5: It doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: The best men weren't there when they did it, right,

688
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Speaker 1: the top ranked women were, but most of the top

689
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Speaker 1: ranked men weren't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you had a handful, but certainly not like hey,

691
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Speaker 5: just going down the line. And the men's game is

692
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Speaker 5: so fractured right now too that that's.

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Speaker 2: Whole live and everything else.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, can of worms where I wanted to go with

695
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Speaker 5: this though. And Stacy Lewis, who is a great voice

696
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Speaker 5: and a huge proponent, I think probably the most important

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Speaker 5: voice really right now in the women's game. She came

698
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Speaker 5: out but prior to the Solheim Cup and said, Hey,

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Speaker 5: the President's Cup, which people might not know the President's Cup,

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Speaker 5: it's actually happening next week on the men's side, and

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Speaker 5: it's essentially like the Solheim Cup or the Ryder Cup,

702
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Speaker 5: which is the PGA equivalent. The President's Cup is team

703
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Speaker 5: USA versus the entire world minus Europe. And you mentioned

704
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Speaker 5: earlier the strength in women's golf in Asia between Japan, Korea, Thailand,

705
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Speaker 5: China's beginning to emerge. They have so much talent there.

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Speaker 5: And so what Stacy's point was, and this is a

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Speaker 5: drum that I will beat too, is the President's Cup

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Speaker 5: should be a mixed event with that feeling of hey,

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Speaker 5: this is a major event. Yeah, you could take you know, truly,

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Speaker 5: six of the top American men, six of the top

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Speaker 5: American women, six of the top international men, six of

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Speaker 5: the top international women, and it would be a wonderful event,

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Speaker 5: I think. And the President's Cup has been dominated by

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Speaker 5: the United States. They've only lost one time going back

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Speaker 5: to the nineties, and the President's Cup needs a refresh

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Speaker 5: I think as is, like, it's not competitive, and if

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Speaker 5: you introduce the international women, who are as a group

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Speaker 5: extremely strong, all of a sudden you have a much

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Speaker 5: more captivating President's Cup. I love this.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great idea.

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Speaker 5: That's an area. Yeah, that would be awesome to see.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any ideas for listeners who want to

723
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Speaker 1: get into watching and supporting women's golf.

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Speaker 2: What are a couple first steps? Obviously follow no laying up, listen, read,

725
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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: But what are some good places to go and first

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Speaker 1: steps to take an entry point?

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Speaker 5: Well, I have to be brutally honest sometimes my biggest

729
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Speaker 5: frustration is being a fan of women's golf can be

730
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Speaker 5: a can be a bit of a challenge because the

731
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Speaker 5: broadcasts are you know, sometimes it's tape delayed. Sometimes it's

732
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Speaker 5: you just never quite know what platform is it on

733
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Speaker 5: Golf Channel, is it on Peacock, is it here? Is

734
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Speaker 5: it there? I just want to warn people it can

735
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Speaker 5: be a bit of a challenge right now, and that's

736
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Speaker 5: part of our frustration. But we are we have made

737
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Speaker 5: a big commitment to you know, our goal is, Hey,

738
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Speaker 5: we've we've been doing this for years on the men's side.

739
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Speaker 5: There's no reason we shouldn't be giving as much equal

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Speaker 5: attention on the women's side. There are a number of

741
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Speaker 5: wonderful people out there. I would say beth Anne Nichols,

742
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Speaker 5: who writes for Golf Week, has been and somebody that's

743
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Speaker 5: covering the LPGA tour for twenty years. She's kind of

744
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 5: like the og meg Atkins at the at website called

745
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 5: the Frida Egg is doing really good things. Gabby Herdzig

746
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Speaker 5: for anybody that subscribes to The Athletic, she is a

747
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 5: wonderful golf writer. So there are journalists and there are

748
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Speaker 5: people covering the game, but it could use a lot

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Speaker 5: more creativity. The video that you mentioned earlier, I believe

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Speaker 5: was Hallie Ledbetter.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a wonderful video. It's more of a one

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Speaker 5: off at this point, so like part of part of

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Speaker 5: my like I wish I could sit here, Sarah and

755
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 5: just be like, oh go here, go here, go here.

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Speaker 5: These are all wonderful. It's a challenge right now, and

757
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 5: that's something that you know, it takes a village, but

758
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Speaker 5: I think it starts with like the LPGA Tour has

759
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 5: to have a real vision, in a real drive, and

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Speaker 5: that allows people like us at no laying up to like,

761
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Speaker 5: hey we bring us along, you know, like let's let's

762
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 5: we're all in this together, let's elevate the game. So

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Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 2: It's a challenge, which means it's an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: So yes, hopefully there are people listening who are women's

766
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Speaker 1: golf fans that are thinking to themselves I've got ideas,

767
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: I've got creative approaches, I've got my own sketches, I've

768
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: got my own thoughts that can can do something and follow.

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Speaker 2: No laying up.

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Speaker 1: Listen, watch to all your stuff, and maybe even pitch

771
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: y'all on some content if they want to get involved

772
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: and add their own take, cause it's really I have

773
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Speaker 1: to admit, like I used to play golf a lot,

774
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: not as much lately, but when I get into it,

775
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm into it.

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00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: It's just hard.

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00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of entry points, and it feels

778
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: like it needs to ride the wave of women's sports

779
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: fandom right now, like you mentioned, and we need some

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Speaker 1: more opportunities to do so.

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Speaker 2: But no laying up.

782
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: Love that the coverage is as much about the women

783
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: as the men, and love that you're bringing some of

784
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Speaker 1: the fun to it. So thanks so much, Randy, Phil, Phil,

785
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Speaker 1: Randy Big Phil, Randy for coming on.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to go make sure Arthur is okay. But

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Speaker 5: I did just want to add one thing. If you

788
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Speaker 5: go to LPGA dot com check out their schedule. If

789
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 5: you live around an area where the LPGA hosts an event,

790
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: that's a great way to get introduced to the game

791
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Speaker 5: and I'll say in my experience, you know, bring a child,

792
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 5: bring bring friends. It is such a welcoming environment. The

793
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 5: players are so available for autographs. They'll you know, they

794
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 5: they'll high five you. It's just a wonderful first access point.

795
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 5: So I should have mentioned that, get out and watch

796
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 5: the golf, you know, follow somebody that you've heard of,

797
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: follow somebody that you've never heard of. I think you'll

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Speaker 5: have a really good time.

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Speaker 2: So I love it.

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Speaker 4: Er.

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Speaker 2: You gave us a lot of names.

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00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gave us a lot of names to follow,

803
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: and now we've got to find some tournaments to get

804
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: to as well. Go check on Arthur, give them a

805
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: boot for us, and welcome to the world of being

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00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: a dog person.

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Speaker 2: You're late, but I'm glad you made it better.

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00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 5: Late than number. Thank you, Sarah.

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00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Phil for taking the time. And another

810
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: quick thought on the LPGA here before we move on.

811
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Speaker 1: It involves their merchandise partnership with Barstool Sports, and justa

812
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: heads up that this is going to mention rape culture,

813
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: sexual harassment, and allegations of sexual abuse. So a few

814
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I was kind of poking around some golf

815
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Speaker 1: sites reading a bunch of LPGA coverage, and I was

816
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: surprised to see an LPGA times Barstool merchandise club. Now,

817
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with barstool, they're a sports website.

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00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: They've got blogs, podcasts, videos, and a really heavy social

819
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: media presence. They are wildly popular, especially with white men

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Speaker 1: and college kids. They've been at the heart of some

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Speaker 1: pretty big controversies, including founder Dave Portnoy being the subject

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Speaker 1: of investigation in which two women accused him of sexual assault.

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Speaker 1: He made a video saying to the CEO of the

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Speaker 1: site investigating him, quote your head is going to be

825
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Speaker 1: on my spike, and he encouraged his millions of followers

826
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Speaker 1: to harass the author of another story on the investigation.

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Speaker 1: Portnoy was also charged with violating the National Labor Relations

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Speaker 1: Act and has been caught on tape using multiple racist slurs.

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Speaker 1: They have a recurring series grading the attractiveness of female

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Speaker 1: high school and junior high teachers who rape their male students.

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Speaker 1: A twenty ten blog post read, if you're a size

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Speaker 1: six and you're wearing skinny g you kind of deserve

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Speaker 1: to be raped, and Portnoy said of the SIT's quote unquote,

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Speaker 1: blackout parties just to make friends with the feminists. I'd

835
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Speaker 1: like to reiterate that we don't condone rape of any

836
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: kind at our blackout parties. However, if a chick passes out,

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Speaker 1: that's a gray area. Barstool has published nude photos of

838
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Speaker 1: an athlete's toddler child and commented on the kids genitalia size.

839
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Speaker 1: They've sexualized, harassed, and threatened female reporters, including saying one

840
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: should quote unquote be sleeping with one eye open and

841
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: should watch her back. They'll turn their army of fans

842
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: against anyone who speaks ill of the site or challenges

843
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: their work. In fact, there's a good chance just me

844
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: saying this will result in an attack from the barstool folks,

845
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: even though everything I've said is proven and is fact.

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00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: The site can also be very funny. The site has

847
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: rallied its rabid followers to do some great things, like

848
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: raise a whole lot of money for good causes. The

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00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: college campus accounts tap into a certain culture that's particularly

850
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: hard to resist for young folks who want to fit in,

851
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: have fun, see the funny videos, and be in on

852
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: all the jokes and stories around school. It feels risky

853
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: and raunchy and provocative. It's a thrill for young people

854
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: or for people who have decided that the world is

855
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: too sanitized or quote unquote woke or safe. Barstool highlights

856
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: behind the scenes fights and disagreements between coworkers, kind of

857
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: like a reality show, and they've done a really good

858
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: job turning employees into characters that fans want to follow

859
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: and know more about. One of their podcasts consistently gets

860
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: the top guests. They've got a hold on a young

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00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: audience that brands are dying to get to, which I

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00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: guess explains why the LPGA would want to be in

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00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: business with them, despite their long history of misogyny and

864
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: their lengthy list of former partnerships that blew up and

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00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: ended in either controversy or lawsuits. I reached out to

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Speaker 1: the LPGA and they came back with this statement quote.

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Speaker 1: Female athletes and leagues deserve broader mainstream coverage and to

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00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: be elevated By attending LPGA tournaments and covering our athletes.

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00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: Barstool Golf has helped and shown a commitment to expanding

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Speaker 1: the reach of women's golf as they've done for the

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Speaker 1: men's game. The LPGA is dedicated to growing the game

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Speaker 1: and providing more opportunities to women in golf. It's critical

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Speaker 1: that we engage new and younger audiences. We are trying

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Speaker 1: collaborations with the range of platforms that will allow us

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Speaker 1: to promote the sport and celebrate women's golf, further elevating

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Speaker 1: the women's game and our athletes.

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Speaker 2: End quote.

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Speaker 1: Now, folks want to watch, or read or listen to

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Speaker 1: barstool that's on them. There's a lot of content out

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Speaker 1: there that's not my favorite or I don't agree with,

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Speaker 1: but it's not my culture into I do, however, worry

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Speaker 1: about major companies, especially companies serving women, getting into the

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Speaker 1: business of barstool, and mostly I worry about it extending

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Speaker 1: the time that girls and young women spend under the

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Speaker 1: thumb of misogyny. Today's culture is so much better than

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Speaker 1: the one that I came up in my twenties, where

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Speaker 1: every single sports blog was half sports and then half

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Speaker 1: hot wives and girlfriends, hometown hotties, top ten hottest sports

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Speaker 1: of sports was to accept or even join the bro

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Speaker 1: culture that was mocking women and it's not like that anymore.

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Speaker 1: I want girls and young women to get to a

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Speaker 1: place earlier in life where they align with women, support women,

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Speaker 1: uplift other women, and care more about becoming leaders themselves

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Speaker 1: than impress and serving men. And I know that male

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Speaker 1: leadership is still the norm. I know that proximity to

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Speaker 1: power and centuries of patriarchy pushes us to prioritize serving

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Speaker 1: move up the latter and find success and be accepted

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Speaker 1: and liked in the rooms where things happen. But if

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Speaker 1: we break away from that earlier and younger, we can

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Speaker 1: create more spaces that are run by women, with cultures

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Speaker 1: that serve everyone better. I remember when I read Glennon

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Speaker 1: Doyle's Untamed, and I wished that I had had it

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Speaker 1: decades earlier, so I could identify all the ways that

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Speaker 1: I had internalized misogyny and I had doubted myself and

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Speaker 1: other women because of what society ingrained in me. While

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Speaker 1: that book and so much more content like that, is

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Speaker 1: out there now, and I hope that women in their

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Speaker 1: teens and twenties are reading it, talking about it, sharing.

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Speaker 2: It, and living it.

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Speaker 1: Because when we sell out to places with popularity that's

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Speaker 1: tell women that success can only come by abandoning our morals,

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Speaker 2: Be the way. We got to take another break. Stick around.

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Speaker 1: So Thursday could really be Diana Trossi's last regular season game.

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Speaker 1: like it's meant for you. One more rating, Dogs Infinity

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Speaker 1: John Oliver's Emmy speech, as disjointed as it was, touched

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Speaker 1: never live long enough. And it's probably why sometimes you

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Speaker 1: feel bad making them go anywhere. I just want them

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