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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday Unite, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen, episode
Speaker 1: number one thirteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 1: the Star and we're represented by Geico. It is our
Speaker 1: final show before a little bit of a break, and
Speaker 1: so we've gonna get you guys ready for training camp.
Speaker 1: We're gonna play a game for you guys today, call
Speaker 1: what we Know, What we don't Know. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about each position on the team, and these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what we know coming out of the
Speaker 1: offseason and heading into training camp, and what we don't
Speaker 1: know about each of those positions to get you ready
Speaker 1: and give you kind of a roadmap as to what
Speaker 1: we'll be looking for. As the Cowboys entered the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one training camp in Oxnard, California, later in July.
Speaker 1: How's everybody doing today, I'm I'm I'm so good. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I thought you weren't going to be with
Speaker 1: us for the last show, so I was I'm pumped
Speaker 1: to see you a gee. I send my goodbyes to everyone.
Speaker 1: Last week because Nike said no shows on Wednesday was
Speaker 1: like stuff to say, Yeah, no, I was the one
Speaker 1: that was so that was kind of up and down
Speaker 1: on this, Like I was kind of talked into maybe
Speaker 1: last week should be the last show, and then I
Speaker 1: was like, well, no, we should do this one. So
Speaker 1: that's all of me. But I'll okay. I hope you
Speaker 1: tell you guys do a good job at training camp,
Speaker 1: that you guys give us information. Don't screw it up,
Speaker 1: don't make us believe one thing, and then the season
Speaker 1: stars and we believe we see another. So don't mess
Speaker 1: it up. Not be judging from the outside. The foundation
Speaker 1: has already been laid for her to blame us. I
Speaker 1: know anything that goes wrong, and by the way, I
Speaker 1: do it too. Every year, by the way, that's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: like it always happens. We always have our camp gladiators
Speaker 1: and then we have to get into the season and
Speaker 1: it's like they're not as good as they were in
Speaker 1: training camp. So that's just the way it goes. We're
Speaker 1: gonna jump in real quick before we get to our
Speaker 1: game where we start breaking down this team. Heading into
Speaker 1: training camp, I first want to get some camp observations.
Speaker 1: Cowboys start their mini camp yesterday. They have mini camp yesterday, today,
Speaker 1: and tomorrow, and then the veterans will leave and not
Speaker 1: be back until training camp. So what you guys see
Speaker 1: yesterday in the practice that happened out here at the Star, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't only watch a few minutes of it. I
Speaker 1: got here late, so it was the one of them
Speaker 1: boring as practices I've ever seen, so I really didn't
Speaker 1: get a good view of it. It wasn't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know, we wrote an article of some practice points,
Speaker 1: but I mean from what I saw, I got the
Speaker 1: end of it where it was like helmets off and
Speaker 1: it was just like two hand touch and pulling flags
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I didn't really get to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they kind of lured us into a false sense of security.
Speaker 1: The first two weeks of OTAs. It feels like because
Speaker 1: first two practices we got to see we're pretty exciting
Speaker 1: by nonpadded standards, Like you know, there were interceptions and
Speaker 1: rookies making plays and Dack is back and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And yesterday was like the epitome of why you kind
Speaker 1: of roll your eyes at OTAs because it was it
Speaker 1: was boring. It sucked, to be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: think it was instructional. They did a lot of situational work,
Speaker 1: like a lot of the types of situations where they're
Speaker 1: going through the reps in slow motion and the coaches
Speaker 1: are literally like out on the field moving guys into
Speaker 1: the parts of the zone that they want them in
Speaker 1: and that type of stuff. I'm sure it's beneficial for them,
Speaker 1: it's just not very citing for us to look at.
Speaker 1: And that's that's probably what two thirds of it was.
Speaker 1: Other than a couple of some seven on seven periods,
Speaker 1: it was pretty boring. I'm not gonna lie. That's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Like, even though it might be
Speaker 1: boring for whoever's watching, it's good to hear and see
Speaker 1: that they're doing these kinds of stuff because it needs
Speaker 1: to happen. So I'm glad to see that they are
Speaker 1: putting in the work and going back to basics we
Speaker 1: always talked about, and the players actually talk about that
Speaker 1: when they mentioned, oh yeah, this coach is going back
Speaker 1: to the techniques and basics. Players do like that from
Speaker 1: what I hear them say. So it's good that they're
Speaker 1: getting those kinds of basics out there. And even though
Speaker 1: it's not fun at least by training camp, things will
Speaker 1: ramp up and be more exciting too. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that it's boring for us, not like good.
Speaker 1: This is what they didn't have last year, Like the
Speaker 1: instructional on field stuff. I'm sure you can try your
Speaker 1: hardest to implement something you learned on Zoom, but being
Speaker 1: out there and seeing it for yourself, I'm sure matters.
Speaker 1: So good for them, it's just not super exciting to
Speaker 1: watch from an outsider's perspective. Yeah. One of the things
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to be looking at a lot this
Speaker 1: year is how much different is this defense than last year?
Speaker 1: Because I'm a big believer in the fact that there
Speaker 1: are people that there are lots of people out there
Speaker 1: that learn that can learn by looking and by learning
Speaker 1: on a chalkboard or whatever kind of thing is in
Speaker 1: front of them. There are a lot of other people
Speaker 1: out there that learn best by doing I'm one of
Speaker 1: those people. I learned by doing anything. I'm going to
Speaker 1: learn it, give it to me, let me try it,
Speaker 1: and I'll learn a lot faster than just listening to
Speaker 1: you talk about it. And so I'm really interested to
Speaker 1: see if that's similar to way a lot of these
Speaker 1: players are out there where last year trying to get
Speaker 1: into a new defensive scheme where all they were doing
Speaker 1: was just seeing it and not being able to really
Speaker 1: do it as much. How much that set them back
Speaker 1: and how much they'll be advanced this year and trying
Speaker 1: to pick up this defense in situations where they're actually
Speaker 1: being able to do rather than just here. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: We'll see how much that makes a difference for this team.
Speaker 1: But I think that does make a huge difference for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, myself being included. All right, let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and jump into our game. We're gonna play
Speaker 1: a game called what we know what we don't know?
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna give you guys a position. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to toss it up in the air, and
Speaker 1: then we will start first with telling us what we
Speaker 1: know and then we'll get into what we don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's start first with quarterback. What do we know? The
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys employee one of the five or six bests
Speaker 1: in the league, and he's fully healthy, ready to go.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said, he's gonna be. They expect him to
Speaker 1: be completely ready for training camp, like no limitations. He
Speaker 1: didn't take any off days this year, you know, like
Speaker 1: it would make sense to have him on a schedule.
Speaker 1: He didn't do that, and they expect him to be
Speaker 1: ready to do everything by July. So that's what we know.
Speaker 1: I love how you just threw out that one of
Speaker 1: the five or six best quarterbacks in the league, because
Speaker 1: you and I, You and I and Danny McCrae had
Speaker 1: a long like it probably lasted about an hour conversation
Speaker 1: zation about like where players on this team rank across
Speaker 1: the league. And there's probably some argument that people have,
Speaker 1: but I agree with you. I think he's one of
Speaker 1: the best five or six in the league. Steph Kurry
Speaker 1: is one of the best players in the NBA, and
Speaker 1: he couldn't get into the playoffs. So I think what
Speaker 1: we don't know is we don't know how good that is.
Speaker 1: Dak is the leader of this team. We don't know
Speaker 1: if he's good enough to translate to wins. That's what
Speaker 1: we hit. We don't know. We didn't know it last year.
Speaker 1: He was two two and three last year as a starter,
Speaker 1: so we got it. He's great, and I think he's
Speaker 1: fully healthy, and I think his tackles will help, you know,
Speaker 1: in front of him. But we don't know if with
Speaker 1: the guys around him, if Dak is good enough to
Speaker 1: just carry the team to where they need to be.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I don't Does he need to yeah,
Speaker 1: like carry? I mean he needs to be good, But
Speaker 1: this is a really talented offense. Like I when I
Speaker 1: when you say carry, I think of like early on
Speaker 1: who had no help. What I think of the press
Speaker 1: conference that they created out the front for a forty
Speaker 1: million dollar quarterback. I think he definitely needs to carry
Speaker 1: this team. He's been he's been making two or three
Speaker 1: million a year and then last year he made thirty one.
Speaker 1: I mean he's got to carry the team. That's what
Speaker 1: a forty million dollar quarterback is supposed to do, because
Speaker 1: who where else is it coming from? Has he not
Speaker 1: carry the team? Well? I guess I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and I get your point. Yes, when you pay forty
Speaker 1: million dollars to a quarterback, you expect that he is
Speaker 1: going to carry. But I agree with Dave. I don't
Speaker 1: think he has to. I think this team has so
Speaker 1: many weapons. I think it's it's important for him to
Speaker 1: make sure he does his job because it's not like
Speaker 1: this is not the kind of situation where you have
Speaker 1: a team where the quarterback is everything and everybody else
Speaker 1: is just kind of like if the quarterback doesn't do it,
Speaker 1: we don't win. Like I think this is the kind
Speaker 1: of team where the quarterback has to do his job.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has to step outside of what
Speaker 1: he does. You have a really good running game. He
Speaker 1: just got to do his job, I think. Right. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying going off of what we know and
Speaker 1: don't know. If we know he's the top five or
Speaker 1: six quarterback, that's what we think. I guess it's our opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I agree with that. I mean he's in the
Speaker 1: top five. I guess he is. I mean I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know where you were going with that. Lady's
Speaker 1: in the top five, all right, No, I don't know
Speaker 1: he's in the top ten. He's in the top ten.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go through this whole thing about it,
Speaker 1: because that's a tough argument because you got young guys.
Speaker 1: Would you rather have I mean, is he better than Herbert? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who would rather? Who would teams rather have on their team?
Speaker 1: If they were starting a new team, they would probably
Speaker 1: rather have him because he's younger and he's got more upset.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to rank, you know, because would you
Speaker 1: rather have Dak or would you rather have Tom Brady?
Speaker 1: For the next five years? Back? What about for today?
Speaker 1: Back to win a game today? Back Tom Brady through
Speaker 1: three picks in the NFC Champion Like, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: loaded team. He's not who he was ten years ago. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a great example of what we're talking about here.
Speaker 1: He's not carrying that team, contrary what a lot of people,
Speaker 1: the narrative, a lot of people try to create for him.
Speaker 1: He's not carrying that team. That defense carried that team
Speaker 1: for a lot of last year. It wasn't necessarily Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: He's also arguably got a better receiver corps than the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and the best tight end in history, I mean, or
Speaker 1: one of them. At least. So my only point I
Speaker 1: just like I said, not going to go into the
Speaker 1: deck versus Brady argument. I mean, Brady's unquestionably had a
Speaker 1: better career, right, but Brady's highs have unquestionably been better
Speaker 1: than anything DAC has done. But at this point in
Speaker 1: their careers, which I'm high on DAC, that's fine. But
Speaker 1: when you say which, we're already in the weeds won
Speaker 1: position into this game. But when you say carry, I
Speaker 1: think of Lebron James trying to beat Duncan, Genoble and
Speaker 1: Parker with Delante West like that's carrying. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta score forty ten and ten or we're gonna
Speaker 1: get our asses kicked. Whereas Dak's got to be good.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to play at an MVP level for
Speaker 1: this team to make the playoffs. He's just got to
Speaker 1: be good. Yeah, in my opinion, I forgot what the
Speaker 1: question was. We're talking about what we know and what
Speaker 1: we don't know about the quarterback position. We know he's signed,
Speaker 1: we know he's gonna be here, we know he's moving
Speaker 1: around like he hasn't been through an injury like the
Speaker 1: one that he went through. So that's really impressive. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I honestly did not expect him to be moving around
Speaker 1: the way that he's been moving around this soon. So
Speaker 1: it's very um promising and exciting to know that he's
Speaker 1: looking this healthy at this point and he's apparently going
Speaker 1: to be ready to go full go during training camp hopefully.
Speaker 1: I mean, when Nick is making the argument about the
Speaker 1: guys around him, I mean, the only position that I
Speaker 1: would think you could question would be the old line,
Speaker 1: depending on what happens there and if he gets that
Speaker 1: kind of help and protection from the old line this year.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I fully expect Dak to be
Speaker 1: able to make those throws during the season, be the
Speaker 1: quarterback that he needs to be, and also be mobile.
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's gonna necessarily be restrained after
Speaker 1: the injury because of what happened. I think they're going
Speaker 1: to find the way to utilize him, especially in the
Speaker 1: red zone, so that I feel like we kind of
Speaker 1: know and then we're gonna know who maybe the backup quarterback,
Speaker 1: unless McCarthy finds someone after training camp or something and
Speaker 1: they decide to sign that guy to back up Dak.
Speaker 1: But as of right now, I feel like we all
Speaker 1: agree would be Gary Gilbert. So let's go on to
Speaker 1: the running back position. What do we know about the
Speaker 1: running back position? I mean, we know who's gonna play it,
Speaker 1: but first and second string, Like, I mean, that seems
Speaker 1: like it's set in stone. Beyond that, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think we know that Zeke looks a little bit better
Speaker 1: right now. I think this offseason will help him because
Speaker 1: I think he looks I think he will go into
Speaker 1: training camp better than he looked last year at training camp.
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably a lot of players because
Speaker 1: they weren't doing the same hopefully, but I think with Zeke,
Speaker 1: I think it matters a little bit more. We've seen
Speaker 1: some of the videos, we've seen the training. He looks
Speaker 1: pretty good out here. He hasn't been getting hit and
Speaker 1: he certainly hasn't been fumbling, which is what he's got
Speaker 1: to fix. But I think I think there will be
Speaker 1: You just get the sense. I get the sense at least,
Speaker 1: and I haven't even talked to him, but I get
Speaker 1: the sense that he hears all the voices, he knows,
Speaker 1: he knows. When we put out an article later this
Speaker 1: summer about where's Zeke ranks against the running backs, on
Speaker 1: this schedule. We do it for quarterbacks, we'll do it
Speaker 1: for running backs. I don't think Zeke's going to be
Speaker 1: in the top five of that. No, what there's fine,
Speaker 1: You're probably right. I think there's five running backs, five
Speaker 1: running backs on this schedule less better than Zeke. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you think through the schedule, I cook comes
Speaker 1: to mind immediately he I'm going with Kaffrey and Barkley. Okay,
Speaker 1: you still gonna put Barkley because he hadn't even started
Speaker 1: practicing yet. Yeah, you're still gonna put him above Zeke.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think he probably will be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he will be. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: right now. I'm not willing to put him there just
Speaker 1: because I don't even know how. If you know cowboys,
Speaker 1: you think cowboys are more scared of Barkley than giants
Speaker 1: are scared of Zeke two years ago. Maybe that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying today. I don't know. I don't right now,
Speaker 1: I would think I'm not scared, definitely. I mean it's
Speaker 1: right there, he's right there in the think. He and Kamara,
Speaker 1: to me, they're they're they're they're about the same time
Speaker 1: that crazy see kamaras I don't see Kamara as much
Speaker 1: better than I'm sorry, I vehemently disagree with you just
Speaker 1: based on what they did last year. That's fine, But
Speaker 1: I just I see Kamara as I will be interested
Speaker 1: to see is Kmara the same quality back, sure, without
Speaker 1: having the benefit of the passing game that they've had
Speaker 1: to this point, because I don't I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna have that kind of passing game anymore. So I
Speaker 1: want to see is is Camara able to do things
Speaker 1: when when you know, when teams aren't having to pay
Speaker 1: attention to Drew Brees at quarterback and the receivers, he's
Speaker 1: got it. You know, Drew Brees has missed a decent
Speaker 1: number of games the last two years, and they've leaned
Speaker 1: on him in a big way. I get it. He's
Speaker 1: come to get it. His game against Seattle two seasons
Speaker 1: ago was incredible, but he's still well. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go back a couple of seasons. I think Zeke
Speaker 1: has some pretty good performances to a couple of seasons
Speaker 1: go as well. I mean, I'm just I don't see
Speaker 1: them as All I'm saying is I don't see him
Speaker 1: as completely different I think they're both really good quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're really good running backs. I think after
Speaker 1: that you can just kind of make the argument. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Raiders running back Jacob Jacobs, he's pretty good too.
Speaker 1: I mean, so so you know, the Chiefs back those guys,
Speaker 1: you know, for what they do in their offense, I
Speaker 1: think they're kind of all comparable. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Zeke is right there. Now, where does that rank, like
Speaker 1: top five in the league. I mean, I know Henry's
Speaker 1: Henry's not on the schedule, you know, and the Colts
Speaker 1: running back he's pretty he's pretty good. Yeah, Taylor, again,
Speaker 1: I don't put him a boves No, now I'm getting
Speaker 1: into the part where I don't put those guys about. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying about what my point is is, I
Speaker 1: think other than Henry, you're pretty much facing the best backs. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with it. This for this season. I might
Speaker 1: be missing one or two, but that's pretty much the case.
Speaker 1: So I think what we know, I think he looks good.
Speaker 1: What we don't know is will it will it matter?
Speaker 1: And mean when you get to the season. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like I guess that's I kind of had a
Speaker 1: hard time saying what I was thinking. And it's just
Speaker 1: because like we know, we know Zeke and we know
Speaker 1: Tony too for that matter. We know who they are,
Speaker 1: we know their strengths, we know their weaknesses. I think
Speaker 1: Zeke's much a much better player than he looked last year,
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't know that he's gonna be better.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, well, like, we know, we know
Speaker 1: who they are, we know that they're going to get
Speaker 1: the ball, we know that they're probably not going to
Speaker 1: get a heavy workload in the preseason. Just see you
Speaker 1: week one and hopefully it looks better than it did
Speaker 1: last year. One other thing I'll point out, and now
Speaker 1: I want your opinions on this. I don't quite know
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do with Tony. I think he deserves
Speaker 1: more opportunities. I just don't know where they're going to
Speaker 1: come from. You've got three wide receivers that you really like,
Speaker 1: you got Zeke, you got two tight ends you really like, Like,
Speaker 1: where is it going to come from? Where are you
Speaker 1: gonna find opportunities for a guy like him? Where, by
Speaker 1: the way, where are you going to find opportunities for
Speaker 1: the two tight ends? You know? I've heard. I think
Speaker 1: someone said last week that that there's a possibility they
Speaker 1: may use two tight ends on some packages. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that'll be nice to have in the playbook, but I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm expecting to see a lot of that.
Speaker 1: Who are your two tight ends? You're talking about Schultz
Speaker 1: and Jarwin? Yeah, yeah, I think both of them will
Speaker 1: probably deserve opportunities. I think Tony deserves opportunities. So my
Speaker 1: question becomes, like, how many opportunities can you give them? Me?
Speaker 1: Is just because you have so many skill position players.
Speaker 1: If I am, if I have a position of need
Speaker 1: that in training camp that I've got to go trade for, um,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing Schultz out there as a truly Yeah, last
Speaker 1: year of his contract, probably not going to resign. It's
Speaker 1: coming off sixty catches. I don't think he's dynamic. I
Speaker 1: think he benefited from the guys around him. He's not
Speaker 1: down the field breaking down one on once. He's he's sitting.
Speaker 1: He's smart enough to sit there and and makes some
Speaker 1: good plays. He gets himself open. But I don't think
Speaker 1: he's He's a guy that you would lean on. So
Speaker 1: if it's you know, if you if one of these
Speaker 1: young tight ends does something like they typically do. You know,
Speaker 1: they typically play well and we'll you know, catch your
Speaker 1: eye or something like that. Jarwin comes back, sprinkle does
Speaker 1: his job and all that. Then Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: a it's a position that you might be able to
Speaker 1: trade for if somebody needs a tight end or something
Speaker 1: like that. I'd rather not. I like the idea having
Speaker 1: both of them. And actually our mail bag is about
Speaker 1: this today. I looked it up and not it's skewed
Speaker 1: because of all the injuries last year. But they were
Speaker 1: in twelve personnel twenty one percent of the time last year,
Speaker 1: Like they really leaned into eleven personnel understandably. Is that
Speaker 1: also okay? Sure? Yeah, I mean, like injuries are part
Speaker 1: of that. They didn't have Jarwin. So now you know,
Speaker 1: with Jarwin and Schultz available, I think you could tick
Speaker 1: that up even maybe north of thirty percent if you
Speaker 1: wanted to. And I think it all works. Jarwin you
Speaker 1: can also flex him out and use him as a
Speaker 1: big receiver if you want to, Like I don't worry
Speaker 1: about the passing game. I think there's plenty of opportunities
Speaker 1: for all of that. Tony's interesting. I like, they're not
Speaker 1: they're not gonna use him in the passing game in
Speaker 1: any sort of creative sense. I got to see that
Speaker 1: to believe it. But yeah, you say the day you're
Speaker 1: not believing him. I mean you started practice. He was
Speaker 1: out there running slants yesterday. But there's five injured receivers,
Speaker 1: like you know, show me this in the season. I
Speaker 1: don't care what you're doing in the spring. But you
Speaker 1: know that's why he's practicing now. He's practicing now because
Speaker 1: nobody else. He's practicing because amar he's wearing Jordan's right now,
Speaker 1: like Amari's not practicing, and like half of the rookies
Speaker 1: are hurt right now. When the time comes, he can
Speaker 1: be ready in case they decide to be creative with
Speaker 1: him in the passing games again, and I will believe it.
Speaker 1: When you have so many different weapons you get. Give
Speaker 1: that to Kellen Moore who he showed last ye're several
Speaker 1: different plays that we're pretty creative. So I think that,
Speaker 1: and again, this is expecting that all of these guys
Speaker 1: are going to be healthy throughout the whole year, and
Speaker 1: we know with injuries they can happen whenever, So I
Speaker 1: think that they are going to be able to find
Speaker 1: a way to utilize Tony Polar And we talked about
Speaker 1: it last year for so long. Oh Zeke versus Polar
Speaker 1: and how many players do you give to Tony now
Speaker 1: that he's playing better than Zeke at that point. But
Speaker 1: I think Zeke is gonna be better this year than
Speaker 1: last year, and they are going to be able to
Speaker 1: utilize both of them and be productive. I really really
Speaker 1: believe so, especially after what Tony Polar showed last year.
Speaker 1: I think that gives them more confidence to be able
Speaker 1: to create plays our design for both of them and
Speaker 1: to be able to have maybe different occasions both of
Speaker 1: them on the field. Yeah, I think we all expect
Speaker 1: Zeke to be better this year. I think the key
Speaker 1: will be canny hold on the ball, because that was
Speaker 1: probably the part of his game last year that suffered
Speaker 1: the most. Are we gonna say our first break and
Speaker 1: we come back. We're gonna jump in. We'll talk some
Speaker 1: more about tidy and wide receiver in offensive line, what
Speaker 1: we know, what we don't know, We'll do that when
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Speaker 1: the break. We are live from the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Star. We are presented by Geico, and we
Speaker 1: were talking about what we know what we don't know
Speaker 1: heading into this two twenty one Dallas Cowboys training camp
Speaker 1: that will begin in Oxnard, California, later this summer. We
Speaker 1: have talked about the quarterback in the running back position.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about tight end. Nick, you mentioned what you
Speaker 1: would do if if you got in to the preseason,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you got the training camp and had
Speaker 1: some other options there. I like Schultz, Yeah, let don't.
Speaker 1: I mean I'd like I think I'd like Schultz before
Speaker 1: anyone else did. I do like him, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he was a huge difference maker. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he sat in his zone and caught the ball
Speaker 1: and it was a safety valve and all that. But
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a guy that you go into
Speaker 1: the season and you ever go into game plans and
Speaker 1: teams are really worried about. I think he's just he
Speaker 1: benefits and just like Jarwin's gonna benefit this offense, guys
Speaker 1: around him, you're gonna benefit for being but a Jarwin's
Speaker 1: a little bit more explosive down the seam and will
Speaker 1: be a little bit we'll be a better player. But
Speaker 1: I don't see you guys keep saying twelve personnel, two
Speaker 1: tight ends. I don't think this is a good setup.
Speaker 1: These two guys aren't good blockers. Usually one of them
Speaker 1: is a better blocker. So this particular twelve personnel, just
Speaker 1: because they're tight ends, I don't think that they I
Speaker 1: don't think they benefit. I don't think they could just
Speaker 1: run over people because Jarwin and Schultz are in the game.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think. I think it's a one
Speaker 1: in three situation, you know, like a the one consider
Speaker 1: a better blocker. Sprinkle's got to be a better blocker.
Speaker 1: If you had twos, be think those two though, who
Speaker 1: do you think is the better blocker of the two? Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably Schultz, A probably Jarwin. But it's that clue. I
Speaker 1: mean it's that I think of him similarly. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of agree, and I and I thought, huh with
Speaker 1: which one? I agree that it's it's kind of close,
Speaker 1: there's not. Honestly, I don't think there's a big difference
Speaker 1: between the two when it comes to blocking, and to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, what I saw last year from Schultz,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that even as pass catchers, I see
Speaker 1: a huge difference between Like, Schultz made some plays down
Speaker 1: the field. He made some plays that that he had
Speaker 1: to show some athleticism. Um and sometimes after he got
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, he showed some athleticism. So
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I think I thought before last year,
Speaker 1: and I was one most people before he even got
Speaker 1: to last year, I was like, why is he still
Speaker 1: on the team. Uh, he showed me a lot last year.
Speaker 1: I think he's just as good as Jarwin. I don't
Speaker 1: think you lose anything one versus the other. I just
Speaker 1: think from like twenty yards down the field, I think
Speaker 1: it takes about twelve steps for Schultz to get there.
Speaker 1: I think it takes about seven for Jarwin's. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: a different I don't agree with you for whatever. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's an eager but but it's I'm talking about just
Speaker 1: how quickly he gets down the field. I mean, Jarwin,
Speaker 1: he just eats up yards and that's why his average
Speaker 1: is pretty high. So everybody was excited about what they
Speaker 1: were going to get out of him last year, and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I think it'll be I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think he is a more of a difference
Speaker 1: maker than Schultz. But I give Schultz credit for what
Speaker 1: he did last year. And Schultz made some plays downfield
Speaker 1: last year, like he had a nice touchdown against Atlanta Cleveland,
Speaker 1: probably twenty twenty five yards down the field, like he
Speaker 1: did it. But I don't I disagree with you, Like
Speaker 1: I really I agree with nick. Jarwin has a little
Speaker 1: bit more of an explosive element to his game, like
Speaker 1: what he can do in the seam. If you remember
Speaker 1: the yak touchdown that he had against the Giants a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago where he caught it, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like a ten yard catch, but he scored a
Speaker 1: thirty yard touchdowns. He just outran everybody and slipped a
Speaker 1: tackle too. Like I think he's a better athlete just
Speaker 1: bottom line, And that's exciting. But I mean, if he
Speaker 1: can get down the scene with all the attention you
Speaker 1: got to pay to everybody else, but when the season started,
Speaker 1: everyone was excited about Jarwin and said the stats will
Speaker 1: be sixty four catches for five hundred yards, five touchdowns
Speaker 1: or four touchdowns, which is exactly what that's Schultz's numbers.
Speaker 1: I think everyone would have been excited about that. So,
Speaker 1: not trying to talk out of both sides of my mouth,
Speaker 1: but I just think there's upsides, is still a little
Speaker 1: bit more. That's probably the best you're going to get
Speaker 1: out of Schultz. Probably. I do think he's still a
Speaker 1: young and developing player, and so I think last year
Speaker 1: was just the year where he broke out because mainly
Speaker 1: because he got opportunities, and I think we saw from
Speaker 1: him last year that he is more than adequate in
Speaker 1: this offense to play that role. Okay, to answer the
Speaker 1: question what we don't know, and I'll say that what
Speaker 1: we don't know about them is how those two guys
Speaker 1: will work together and benefit the Cowboys as a twelve personnel.
Speaker 1: Those two can they when they're both in the game,
Speaker 1: Are you worried about the team's worried about the way
Speaker 1: they run the ball because they're two tight ends in there.
Speaker 1: That's what I don't know. Yeah, and that would be
Speaker 1: it would be disappointing if you had to run, which
Speaker 1: no disrespect to Jeremy Sprinkle, but if you had to
Speaker 1: take one of them off the field to use multiple
Speaker 1: tight ends, or if you had to use like Big eleven,
Speaker 1: like use Jarwin as your slot receiver and take one
Speaker 1: of those receivers off the field. I don't like the
Speaker 1: sound of that. It was a baller in college though,
Speaker 1: Sprinkle Sprinkle, he's I mean as a pass catcher, right,
Speaker 1: and he has he has had a decent Like his
Speaker 1: stats are not terrible for a guy who's never been
Speaker 1: you know, a starting caliber tight end. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess that's my point. Like I think if you see
Speaker 1: twelve personnel, I think it's actually gonna be with one
Speaker 1: of those two plus Sprinkle. Yeah, I think that's the
Speaker 1: where you get an advantage because you have one that
Speaker 1: can literally stay in and block if you needed him
Speaker 1: to so. And this team likes Let's do not forget
Speaker 1: about Sean McEwen. They like him and if you watch
Speaker 1: some practice out there, he seems like he's always doing something.
Speaker 1: Guy know, Jarwin's not out there, but McEwan is a
Speaker 1: guy that you know they like. And we'll see by
Speaker 1: the any rookies the tight TCU tied end Lynn maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't make me say. I think it's like number forty seven.
Speaker 1: And they got a kid from Michigan too, looks the part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks the part. Nick Eubanks, Nick Eubanks, Yes, that's
Speaker 1: the guy that gets off the bus. He's that kind
Speaker 1: of guy. I don't know about you Banks. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about seven. Oh well, who's Artavious Land No that you're
Speaker 1: forty nine. That's the one. He It has like twenty
Speaker 1: catches in his career at TCU. You know they weren't
Speaker 1: like feeding him the ball. But yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 1: I guess. I just I just don't know what it's
Speaker 1: going to look like. Really, we did talk about tight
Speaker 1: end a lot. Yeah, I thought this is where we
Speaker 1: would make up some ground on the quick. We got time,
Speaker 1: We got plenty of time. We can get through all
Speaker 1: of these. I thin say, so, let's go to wide recess.
Speaker 1: If you say so, let's go to wide receiver. What
Speaker 1: do we know? What do we don't know? We know
Speaker 1: that they have arguably the best receiving corps in the league.
Speaker 1: I think only Tampa, not even not even Tennessee even
Speaker 1: with Julio, Like, I mean, they don't have one of
Speaker 1: the three, they don't have the best duo, but they
Speaker 1: arguably have the best trio in the league. I think,
Speaker 1: really only Tampa can compete. Um, there's another team. I
Speaker 1: was thinking it had a good trio too, and I
Speaker 1: can't remember who it was. I'll take I'll take Dallas
Speaker 1: against damn near anybody, if not everybody. I mean, sometimes
Speaker 1: that third guy is just there because like whoever the
Speaker 1: third guy in Tennessee is, I don't even know. I mean,
Speaker 1: either that's my three year or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There ever, it is, there are four or five teams
Speaker 1: that have a better duo than the Cowboys, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: whether that's Tennessee, Tampa obviously can say that when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys duo is undefined. I mean we could we could
Speaker 1: go around on the table and probably have different I mean,
Speaker 1: but I just a CD and and I guess as
Speaker 1: clear as CD and Cooper, right clear, I think. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's tough because like I'm the guy
Speaker 1: that's always like stop disrespecting Michael Gallup. But like if
Speaker 1: you made me pick two of the thirty, I think
Speaker 1: I think Gallup is a really good receiver. And I
Speaker 1: will tell you this, I'm I'm very interested to see
Speaker 1: and Nicky I talked about this yesterday. I'm very interested
Speaker 1: to see how he performs this year because he is
Speaker 1: in that range where there may be a team out
Speaker 1: there that looks at how he performs this year and
Speaker 1: says we'll pay him one or two number one, number
Speaker 1: two wide receiver money, and it'll make it tough for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in that situation unless they're planning to move
Speaker 1: on from say Cooper, and it will make a tough
Speaker 1: decision for the Cowboys of which one they value more
Speaker 1: where they are in their career. So I think he's
Speaker 1: right there on that cusp of that kind of guy.
Speaker 1: What we know, CD Lamb will be on the roster
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Yeah, yeah, what we don't good point, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know for sure about Cooper. He's
Speaker 1: under contract, right, Yeah, but they get out of it.
Speaker 1: His guarantees are done. They got loaded the heck out
Speaker 1: of that contract. Man. I mean, he was so good, like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about that. They don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about it. Knock on wood. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: not like twenty twenty two is going to bring a
Speaker 1: whole host of questions, but knocking on wood and we're
Speaker 1: talking about training camp, they have arguably the best trio
Speaker 1: in the league. They are all healthy and in their
Speaker 1: prime and look like they're ready to light the league
Speaker 1: on fire. Which and I know the quarterback back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it didn't come with you know, even when Dak
Speaker 1: was there. We know they had a losing record, I
Speaker 1: get it, YadA YadA, but they were prolific, Like they
Speaker 1: were all on pace for like twelve hundred yards before
Speaker 1: Dak got hurt. I actually I said this on the
Speaker 1: radio the other day, Big lsu Homer here, but even
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, let's let's settle down on the
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson hype because he got to play a whole
Speaker 1: season with the right circumstances. C D had a fantastic season.
Speaker 1: And I mean there were drops he had, he had
Speaker 1: some problems. It wasn't all perfect, but I think I
Speaker 1: think people would be talking about him a lot more
Speaker 1: if he had had better circumstances. And I you know,
Speaker 1: people are like, well, why did all these other receivers
Speaker 1: get drafted before Justin Jefferson, I'm like, wait, just wait
Speaker 1: a minute, Like, let's just wait a year and see
Speaker 1: if you're still saying that when CD gets to go
Speaker 1: through year two with Dak and have a better offense.
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, one of the things about receivers
Speaker 1: for me is in their rookie year, I know they're
Speaker 1: going to be challenges because that's the nature of going
Speaker 1: to the NFL. But look at the kind of catches
Speaker 1: they make. That'll tell you a lot about what you
Speaker 1: can project them to be. In some of the catches
Speaker 1: he made, I don't know if ninety percent of the
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL can make, he would have won.
Speaker 1: He made some amazing catches. He would have won Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year with one catch against Pittsburgh Baltimore. Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate calling it a drop. It was
Speaker 1: fifty five yards down the field and I didn't really
Speaker 1: know Andy Dalton could sling it like that, But right
Speaker 1: before the half, remember that, hell mat I mean, if
Speaker 1: he went up and snagged that, that would have been
Speaker 1: one of the highlights of the year. Yeah. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying maybe he doesn't beat Jefferson. His numbers were incredible.
Speaker 1: But um I here's one more point about Gallup. I
Speaker 1: would do everything I could to resign him if I'm
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. What I like about him not not anything
Speaker 1: to do with with on the field. He's great there,
Speaker 1: he's a deep threat, but he is he is not
Speaker 1: the prototype when it comes to DIVA wide receivers. He
Speaker 1: likes to share the ball. He likes to be a
Speaker 1: part of this um. He even said one game was
Speaker 1: it you know I had a hundred yards at the half.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody else needs. He has that mentality where
Speaker 1: he's not a problem. It's not a problem. If Harper
Speaker 1: had a lot of great plays in a game, that
Speaker 1: that's good for the Cowboys. But Michael Irvin had a
Speaker 1: problem with it, not not saying that they didn't like
Speaker 1: each other, but saying, Michael one of the ball. And
Speaker 1: then you can say that there was a dog mentality
Speaker 1: and all that. And I still think Gallup has it.
Speaker 1: But I think he is a great, great fit for
Speaker 1: other star receivers, and I would do what I could
Speaker 1: to resign him. Hell yeah, it just sounds like, sounds hard,
Speaker 1: sounds tough to know because and that's you know, maybe
Speaker 1: more than more than Cooper than is what I'm really saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's really got to have a subpar year
Speaker 1: or the Cowboys have to make a tough decision between
Speaker 1: him and Cooper. Right, there is no way between. If
Speaker 1: he has a great year, then it's I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be very difficult to sign him to a
Speaker 1: contract that other teams aren't willing to beat. And then
Speaker 1: it becomes situations does he just want to be here
Speaker 1: for less money? But I don't suspect that's going to
Speaker 1: be the case. So all that being said, like it's
Speaker 1: a it's a tough situation to be in with a
Speaker 1: guy like that, in in a in a three you know,
Speaker 1: in a three way. I mean, he's got three wide
Speaker 1: receivers on this team that are all really good. And
Speaker 1: this goes back to my you know, we had that
Speaker 1: argument with Danny McCrae. I think, and this, I love Coop,
Speaker 1: but this is where I'm like, well, let's let's respect.
Speaker 1: Let's put some respect on Amari Cooper too, because I
Speaker 1: think he's the top ten receiver in the league. And
Speaker 1: people kind of balk at me when I say that
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not like, he's not Hopkins, he's not
Speaker 1: He's not top three, and the disappearing acts, the road problems,
Speaker 1: that's all fair, but that last season, coming off what
Speaker 1: he did, really only had one bad game, and it
Speaker 1: was when Denucci was the quarterback. He was consistent. Everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody had a bad game. Then it was one of
Speaker 1: the worst professional football games I've ever watched in my life.
Speaker 1: But week after week he's a route technician, he's a
Speaker 1: deep threat. He I mean, I I think not enough
Speaker 1: people appreciate how good Amari Cooper really is. So unless
Speaker 1: and we can never predict it, like maybe he gets
Speaker 1: hurt and missus eight games and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it is a tough conversation. But if they get seventeen
Speaker 1: weeks of what Cooper did last year, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's even close in terms of who I'd rather have
Speaker 1: no offense to Mike, you know what. Going back to
Speaker 1: focusing on this year specifically and going back to Nick's
Speaker 1: point of all, like Michael Gallup and how he is,
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that I was going to
Speaker 1: mention that I'd really like about this group is that
Speaker 1: it's it's like a quiet group. And even though to
Speaker 1: me many many times last year, I would forget about
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, like he wouldn't make necessary, like really flashy plays,
Speaker 1: and it was like, how much has he played? And
Speaker 1: then you look at the end of the game the
Speaker 1: stats and you're like, oh, oh, crap, okay, so and
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a bad thing. I mean, that's great
Speaker 1: when you have guys that don't necessarily are causing that
Speaker 1: much attention, but they're being really productive on the field.
Speaker 1: And those two guys, I think that City Lamb he
Speaker 1: can be that, he can become that kind of diva guy.
Speaker 1: He has the attitude and the skill for it. He
Speaker 1: could become that. He isn't that yet or anything, but
Speaker 1: I think that because he's surrounded by two guys like that,
Speaker 1: it's pulling him back as far as maintaining that teammate thing.
Speaker 1: You know that it just works. You know, it just works,
Speaker 1: and they're fine with being spreading things around with each
Speaker 1: other and not taking old I need more plays or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think that right now. I just love how this
Speaker 1: trio works, and I love Celey Lamb's attitude and the
Speaker 1: fact that he's talking about being more aggressive for next
Speaker 1: year and some of the things that we have been
Speaker 1: able to see during these practices. I mean, it's freaking
Speaker 1: impressive the fact that he's still looking like that, and
Speaker 1: this is just the beginning for him. So it's really
Speaker 1: really exciting to see that the Cowboys do have this
Speaker 1: trio for this year. Yeah, I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think the reason why Cooper isn't as respected I think
Speaker 1: sometimes or at least not put in that category across
Speaker 1: the league with those great receivers because he's not as flashy.
Speaker 1: He makes things that are not ordinary look easy, and
Speaker 1: so I think people just kind of think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he was just open. Well there's something he did to
Speaker 1: get open to make that play. And I just think
Speaker 1: that's a part of his game that people don't respect
Speaker 1: as much as they should. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the offensive line. What do we know?
Speaker 1: What do we don't know? What do we don't know?
Speaker 1: Probably is Tyrn Smith, you know, we don't know, Joe Looney,
Speaker 1: I don't don't We don't know about the center position.
Speaker 1: This is the position where we probably got more I
Speaker 1: don't know, And that's interesting to say on a team
Speaker 1: like this with that defense, I know, don't know how
Speaker 1: many games Tyrant's gonna play, Zach Martin is gonna line
Speaker 1: up at right guard. He'll be that, He'll be there.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, And I mean, you know, this is
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. I know I was I
Speaker 1: thought you were done. Oh no, so I just this
Speaker 1: is what like, this is the epitome of optimism season,
Speaker 1: and it is. It's exciting, you know, Tyrn, He's talked
Speaker 1: multiple times in the last week. He's he's in a
Speaker 1: he's in a fantastic mood. Like he's smiling from year
Speaker 1: to year. Oh yeah, no, I like he's he's not
Speaker 1: a jerk, but he's just kind of a low key,
Speaker 1: stoic guy. And he seems yeah, he seems to be
Speaker 1: much more bubbly, which is never a word that I
Speaker 1: thought I would just to ever do it. Never never
Speaker 1: said a word. Yeah, no, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: get the best to ever do it. Said a word. No,
Speaker 1: that's not uncommon. He's going in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: It's just a cloud. I don't know. Man him and
Speaker 1: his wife. His wife came and got him. He knew
Speaker 1: that he was the one. That's funny. My point, it's
Speaker 1: this is the time of year like everybody feels great,
Speaker 1: like the surgery when amazing and I feel awesome, and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, Tyrn's gonna play till the wheels fall off.
Speaker 1: That's what he said yesterday, and I hope that's true,
Speaker 1: but I don't know it. That's all the same, I mean,
Speaker 1: same thing goes for Lyle, honestly, like hip injuries. That
Speaker 1: sounds really scary when you know your whole job is
Speaker 1: leveraging gigantic strong people. So man, I really, I really,
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna hold up. I've been bullish on
Speaker 1: them this whole time, and everything we're seeing suggests that
Speaker 1: they're in a good spot. But you just don't know,
Speaker 1: and it's that's scary. I just I don't want to
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in where are we going
Speaker 1: week two? LA? I don't want to be in LA,
Speaker 1: And like you know, two quarters into the second game
Speaker 1: of the year, we're talking about this again. I hope
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. But we just don't know he's done well.
Speaker 1: We know that sac Marine can do a good job
Speaker 1: at tackle, so yeah, that's one thing we do know.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I mean, there are many things we
Speaker 1: don't know for this whole thing we know that I
Speaker 1: think this group has I think this group has the
Speaker 1: potential to be their best line in a few years,
Speaker 1: because because of this injury, it hasn't been like that's
Speaker 1: that's five years ago that the Dallas line had this
Speaker 1: amazing reputation. But I think they have the potential. Probably
Speaker 1: not as good as like Cleveland or some of these
Speaker 1: other great lines that have come up in the last
Speaker 1: few years, but much better than what we've gotten used
Speaker 1: to seeing since twenty seventeen. I think this team has
Speaker 1: a borderline problem at center. And I don't. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like what they have at center. You're not
Speaker 1: a fan of of of their their young guys. You
Speaker 1: don't like what Andy Dalton said, No, no, but but no,
Speaker 1: I don't like. I don't like the fact that you're
Speaker 1: putting all your eggs on in the basket of Beotish,
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick who got hurt in pregame warm
Speaker 1: ups last year with his hamstring injury. That bothers me too.
Speaker 1: And then and then who's the backup Farniak? Why don't
Speaker 1: they put Connor Williams over there at least to try.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know Connor McGovern, Connor McGovern, he
Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick, just that. But I mean
Speaker 1: they trade it up. Yeah, I mean he was picked
Speaker 1: one forty six. It's not a big difference. I think
Speaker 1: he's fifth round. I keep saying, semi Phojokos is six.
Speaker 1: The's a fifth. Once you get to day three, it
Speaker 1: just blurs together. It's fine, looks like an eighth um.
Speaker 1: But I thought I played last year. I thought he
Speaker 1: played okay for a rookie on that offensive line. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I played okay for rookie like like like, I think
Speaker 1: that's that's right, that's what standard. And you hope that
Speaker 1: he's gonna get better and all that. But if not,
Speaker 1: then what like, I don't I don't like the position
Speaker 1: as that stands right now. I need even if it's
Speaker 1: a backup, if it's Joe Looney, whoever, I need a
Speaker 1: backup that will be like if we have to play him,
Speaker 1: he's played four or five years. I need that journeyman
Speaker 1: guy that can at least back him up. It can't
Speaker 1: be farniok as the guy so or even McGovern. So.
Speaker 1: I just there's something about this position. It's just unsettling
Speaker 1: right now, and that's we did a whole segment on
Speaker 1: it last week. We don't have to do it again.
Speaker 1: But their whole thing always every position is like we're
Speaker 1: gonna try to create competition, and that center, it's we
Speaker 1: got Tyler and if that doesn't work, we got like
Speaker 1: four guys who did this five years ago in college.
Speaker 1: Like that's you know, even McGovern's taken snaps and OTAs
Speaker 1: like a few times, he's never done it in a
Speaker 1: meaningful situation. Connor Williams, I don't know if he's ever
Speaker 1: played center in a game, even in college, because he
Speaker 1: was All American tackle. So it's just weird to think
Speaker 1: that that that's what they would go to training camp with,
Speaker 1: which is why we talked about Joe Looney for like
Speaker 1: a because I think they need the competition and be
Speaker 1: because we all like Joe, Like I hope he is
Speaker 1: on the plane when they eventually get ready to go,
Speaker 1: but I don't, And I'm okay if he's your backup,
Speaker 1: I'm okay if he's your backup, because I love him
Speaker 1: as a backup. I mean center, guard, guard, he goes
Speaker 1: to the game, he can fill in at any spot,
Speaker 1: and if be honest, is the guy beats him out
Speaker 1: and they really want him to win the job. But
Speaker 1: Looney's right there kind of behind him pushing him. I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. I'd feel better about it. They can't
Speaker 1: be Farniac pushing Beadish. I mean, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just unsettling. This might be a dumb question, but I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be funny or anything. How difficult is
Speaker 1: it really to find decent offensive lineman because I mean
Speaker 1: I feel like every year, whether it's the tackle position
Speaker 1: or maybe I mean, guard hasn't been questioned as much
Speaker 1: as I mean Connor william has been questioned during his
Speaker 1: time here, but now center, I've like every year there's
Speaker 1: some there's always a big doubt, whether it's on whatever
Speaker 1: side of the line that the Cowboys have, And I
Speaker 1: just it makes me wonder about the rest of the NFL.
Speaker 1: I don't really keep up with kind of what their
Speaker 1: backups are other than quarterback and pass rusher. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely one of the hardest things to do,
Speaker 1: is to especially more so tackle like it, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's what you know, centers tend not to get
Speaker 1: drafted highly kind of going in the nose tackle argument.
Speaker 1: Kind of fill that. When they drafted Travis thirty first overall,
Speaker 1: everybody freaked out saying you could get him in the
Speaker 1: third round because centers are undervalued. But just in general,
Speaker 1: like finding quality offensive lineman is very hard to do,
Speaker 1: mainly because the differences in blocking schemes to college, what
Speaker 1: they ask their players to do, the caliber of players
Speaker 1: they go against. So I mean this is a league
Speaker 1: wide problem. Like if you if you if your top
Speaker 1: five get hurt, you're typically in a world of trouble.
Speaker 1: That's not just the Cowboys. And last year they had
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries and it was at those two
Speaker 1: premium positions at tackle, right and left tackle. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a hard position to be able to find.
Speaker 1: Let's go and take our final break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I want to jump to the defensive side of the ball.
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Speaker 1: don't know. We'll do that when we come back. This
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Speaker 1: a little break and we're gonna finish up talking defense.
Speaker 1: Let's start the defensive line. What do we know? What
Speaker 1: do we don't know? Can we just do the whole
Speaker 1: defense and be like we don't know anything, we don't know?
Speaker 1: You know, some things come on, I know that they
Speaker 1: have one. Brandy Gregory is having his best offseason he's
Speaker 1: ever had. True because he's having it off season. Never
Speaker 1: sorry that Michael Parsons is looking to be a badass. Okay,
Speaker 1: he is everything that he's just shown so far in
Speaker 1: the way he's baps, Yeah, backup tackles and stuff like that, Like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we need he needs to go up against Zach Martins
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I don't know what any of
Speaker 1: it's gonna look like like I do. Yeah, Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: is having a great offseason because it's the first time
Speaker 1: he's ever had one. Michael Parsons does look really exciting.
Speaker 1: But do I know how much he's gonna be on
Speaker 1: the field? Do I know what his role is? Not?
Speaker 1: Really he's doing a little bit of everything. Do I know?
Speaker 1: You know DeMarcus Lawrence is a rehab guy right now,
Speaker 1: He's not really practicing, which is fine. I don't care,
Speaker 1: but I just I'm not I'm not seeing him. Um,
Speaker 1: they rotate the defensive line and which the alignment every
Speaker 1: other rep. I mean, they're they're doing it. Looks I
Speaker 1: hate saying this because it's a bummer, but it looks
Speaker 1: a lot like last year in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: the four man front and then the dropping and the
Speaker 1: three man front, and they're using different personnel. I just
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I think Bryn Urban is going
Speaker 1: to be more of a factor on the defense. Then
Speaker 1: Davean saying that, Yeah, that's right. I gotta give you credit.
Speaker 1: You've been saying it. I know, I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: I know when we go up to Canton for the Hall,
Speaker 1: for the Hall of Fame, a game and all that, Um,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be sizing Bohanna's like bust and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That just get him him ready, getting ready. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not putting him in, not putting him in ready. But
Speaker 1: see even with Brent Urban, who yeah, like he he's
Speaker 1: gonna I think he's gonna be one of your base
Speaker 1: ends when they do the three four stuff again. I
Speaker 1: think he can kick inside. But I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know what it's how good he's gonna be. I think
Speaker 1: he's got the potential be good. I think he'll probably
Speaker 1: be one of your predominant starting defensive linemen. But I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't know, And maybe you know I'm
Speaker 1: gun shy because what we always talk about of like
Speaker 1: hyping people up too much. Yeah, is this one of
Speaker 1: the like I'm specific I'm speaking specifically about the inside
Speaker 1: part of the defensive line. Is this one of the
Speaker 1: few positions on this team maybe other than that in
Speaker 1: safety where right now, we could probably go around the
Speaker 1: table and we would have different names as to who
Speaker 1: we even think are going to be the starters. Like,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of starting jobs up up for grabs.
Speaker 1: Defensive tackle. I can't tell you that the two guys
Speaker 1: that were starting there last year will be the two
Speaker 1: guys starting there this year. Right, one of them is
Speaker 1: not practicing, you know, I'm in Tristan Hill, right, and
Speaker 1: then Neville Gallimore. I mean he's gonna get in there.
Speaker 1: And which we pencil them in as the starters because
Speaker 1: they were high drafting hicks and they were here. If
Speaker 1: they started more than one game together, it was it
Speaker 1: couldn't have been more than one. Kristen was hurt by
Speaker 1: the time Gallimore came on, So like, it's not even
Speaker 1: like that is an experienced duoford. You know those guys
Speaker 1: played in there. Ye Urban will factor in, Um, he's gonna,
Speaker 1: he's gonna, And Chauncey Golston has been kicking inside Watkins,
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins. I mean, he's your other base end right now.
Speaker 1: When they when they do three man fronts, played a
Speaker 1: little bit of yeah he played all knows he don't
Speaker 1: line up in there. Well know that's it's it's weird
Speaker 1: to think about it. You know, we haven't seen Tristan
Speaker 1: and they never stay the same. So like Watkins will
Speaker 1: be out there in the three man front and then
Speaker 1: he comes off and somebody else comes in when it's
Speaker 1: a four man front, or maybe he's he's played some
Speaker 1: one in a four man front. Two Like it makes
Speaker 1: my head spend trying to keep track of it all.
Speaker 1: And they don't even have their full Allotmentum guys, so
Speaker 1: I couldn't hope to tell you what their rotation will
Speaker 1: be when it matters. So I guess what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say is I don't know everything thing we don't know.
Speaker 1: I know they got it. I know they got a
Speaker 1: lot of guys who you couldn't call proven. I get
Speaker 1: urban is like the one he I mean, he's been
Speaker 1: in the league for eight years. He's got a pretty
Speaker 1: good reputation for what he does, which has stopped the
Speaker 1: run and eat up blocks. And that's the closest I
Speaker 1: think you can come to a guy with a proven reputation.
Speaker 1: I think, I think what what sets the defensive line
Speaker 1: apart is when you have a third guy that that
Speaker 1: does something a defensive end. You know, you you got
Speaker 1: to you gotta have a stud rusher and he's got
Speaker 1: to play like one and have the stats like one
Speaker 1: and get the reputation where you know, draw the double teams.
Speaker 1: And I will see if d Law can do that.
Speaker 1: And then he got another guy on the other side,
Speaker 1: if he can make a difference like he like he
Speaker 1: shows he can. But then if you get a third
Speaker 1: guy that that comes in and can do you know,
Speaker 1: maybe five or six sacks of seas him, that's you know,
Speaker 1: if bash him can be that player, then I think
Speaker 1: I think the defense can be much improved. And um,
Speaker 1: you know, he has the potential to be that guy.
Speaker 1: All right, listen, we want to linebacker position. What do
Speaker 1: we know? What do we don't know? We know, as
Speaker 1: Amber say, if Parsons will be a badass, but well no,
Speaker 1: we don't know that he's looking to be a badass. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's looking to be a badass. He's shown the flexibility
Speaker 1: in the different positions, how they've been kind of moving
Speaker 1: him around. He's looking to be that like someone who
Speaker 1: can actually help create some pressure and get to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So that's exciting when you talk about, you know, getting tacks.
Speaker 1: I think he's looking to be like someone who's gonna
Speaker 1: start I'm sorry, this is coming from the woman who,
Speaker 1: like at the end of the summer or in October,
Speaker 1: she's going to be the one that's pissed off if
Speaker 1: it doesn't go the way that she wants it to go.
Speaker 1: He looks so good at yeah. Oh, and he does,
Speaker 1: by the way, worse than last year saw. He does
Speaker 1: look great at OTAs like he's getting like he's intercepting passes,
Speaker 1: he's getting his hand on the ball. He killed Garrett
Speaker 1: Gilbert yesterday, like if it had been a live rep,
Speaker 1: he would have killed him. He actually screamed because he
Speaker 1: got off the line so fast he was in the
Speaker 1: backfield before Tie and Secky even got out of his stance.
Speaker 1: He was already backed the swing tackle ladies in jail like.
Speaker 1: By the time Garrett Gilbert had the ball in his
Speaker 1: hands and looked up, Parsons was there and it was
Speaker 1: it was exciting. That is what is exciting to me.
Speaker 1: The fact that we haven't seen him in real NFL
Speaker 1: football game, which the speed we know it goes way up.
Speaker 1: But as of right now, that's one of the exciting
Speaker 1: things for me is seeing his speed, which is something
Speaker 1: that to me was lacking last year at the linebacker position,
Speaker 1: and again we haven't seen it in a real game,
Speaker 1: which changes everything. But as of right now, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see the kind of speed that he's showing and
Speaker 1: maybe what that's going to look like in an actual
Speaker 1: NFL game. I need four preseason games from from him,
Speaker 1: I mean, and not four for everybody, but for Micah Parsons.
Speaker 1: I want to see him in four games because he
Speaker 1: hasn't played any footballs in two years, so I think
Speaker 1: he needs to not a lot. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: a bunch of time, you know, but I think just
Speaker 1: the speed of the game. Even though preseason is different,
Speaker 1: it's still fast. It's way faster than anything he's ever experienced,
Speaker 1: anything he's experienced in a year and a half. So
Speaker 1: I think it's important to kind of get him out
Speaker 1: there in different, different roles. And I think the preseason
Speaker 1: games will benefit him as much as anybody. Especially for
Speaker 1: a number twelve overall pick, you would think it's more
Speaker 1: get in and get out, which it will be, But
Speaker 1: I still think he needs to play some of these
Speaker 1: games a little bit more than normal guys would. All
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say I know is that other than quarterback,
Speaker 1: this is the position that they've invested in the most.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of crazy when you think about it.
Speaker 1: Thirteen million dollars a year, Jalen Smith, nineteenth overall pick,
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh twelfth overall pick, Michael Parsons, the best
Speaker 1: free agent signing of the year, five million dollars, Keyan O'Neil,
Speaker 1: fourth round pick to brill Cox. Like, they know it's
Speaker 1: put resources, they know it's a problem, yeah, and hopefully
Speaker 1: that does something to fix it. And we're not talking
Speaker 1: about it like we talked about the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: That's what's scary. Yeah, yeah, if you invested all day that,
Speaker 1: I really wish I knew a lot more for how
Speaker 1: much money they've spent on it. All right, let's let's
Speaker 1: finish this up with the secondary. What do we know?
Speaker 1: What do we don't know? Well, you mentioned Kian O'Neil,
Speaker 1: and I want I wanted to ask you guys, what
Speaker 1: have you guys seen from him? I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't know much. And that's a guy we talked a
Speaker 1: lot about him during the off season, so I mean,
Speaker 1: I like what I've seen a lot. The only thing
Speaker 1: that gives me pause is just I don't know how
Speaker 1: they make it all work with all these other linebackers.
Speaker 1: But he's out there a lot. In Nickel, he's out
Speaker 1: there a lot. Like I think he's he's going to
Speaker 1: be one of their passing down guys. Like if it's
Speaker 1: third and more than four or five, I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be on the field. He adds, going back to
Speaker 1: the speed thing, I mean, if him and Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: are on the field together, yeah, that is a fast
Speaker 1: linebacker corps. And then he was he was a strong
Speaker 1: safety in Atlanta for most of his career. Anyway, like
Speaker 1: that's what he does. Like he said that, He said
Speaker 1: that a week or so ago. He was like, in
Speaker 1: my head, I've been a linebacker for a long time,
Speaker 1: Like that's basically what they asked me to do. Somebody
Speaker 1: posts a video clip of him last week yesterday on
Speaker 1: Twitter meeting Leonard Fournette in the hole and just stopping
Speaker 1: him cold. I mean, he's got that kind of power
Speaker 1: and ability. Um, he looks good to me, he looks
Speaker 1: the part. Yeah, I just again have fun figuring out
Speaker 1: how these guys all rotate. Um, but he's a linebacker
Speaker 1: until something like he is not playing safety at all.
Speaker 1: For anybody that wants to know, he hasn't done it.
Speaker 1: We kind of need some help back there in the backfield.
Speaker 1: Is that what we know or what we don't know
Speaker 1: about the secondary? Like you know there, there's lots of
Speaker 1: questions there because he and Curse have been the guys
Speaker 1: that have been here the most, and they've been playing together,
Speaker 1: and they've been the guys the first team starters. And
Speaker 1: if you're out there wondering where Donovan Wilson is, I
Speaker 1: mean he hasn't participated as much in the voluntary injury No,
Speaker 1: but remember now, it was voluntary and this is not normal.
Speaker 1: You have the president of the nfl PA and you know,
Speaker 1: players committee saying that we shouldn't do this. So players
Speaker 1: had their own thoughts on how they did stuff. And
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't even know the deal with Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 1: I just know he didn't. He didn't participate a lot.
Speaker 1: He's out here though in the this is not this
Speaker 1: is mandatory. They're holding him out. He's got they're calling
Speaker 1: it knee soreness, and he's been at OTA's. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: been here. He's been here. He hasn't. He hasn't been
Speaker 1: here for as much of just the offseason, like pre
Speaker 1: spring stuff as some other guys. I guess what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is is, don't get the sharpie out for putting
Speaker 1: him in starting safety even though we kind of thought
Speaker 1: that he was, you know, doing all that. And I
Speaker 1: don't think they're looking at it like, well, he has
Speaker 1: to be the guy. He's gonna factor into this because
Speaker 1: he's a playmaker and he don't positions that are up
Speaker 1: for grabs. At this point, it's like who's gonna win.
Speaker 1: Even before he hurt his knee curse was getting reps
Speaker 1: with Kaze ahead of him. He was mixing in and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to assign strings in the spring, but
Speaker 1: urs is getting a heavy look. Um I think I know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go as far as to say I know
Speaker 1: who the I know who the cornerbacks are going to be,
Speaker 1: at least at the start of the season. I really
Speaker 1: feel that way. I think Kelvin Joseph or Nishan Right
Speaker 1: would have to do something incredible to pass up Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs, and Jordan Lewis at least at the outset
Speaker 1: of the season. And Nishan Wright has looked great. He's
Speaker 1: had a great spring, but he's still the spring. He's
Speaker 1: going against Ben d Nucci and Aaron Parker. You know
Speaker 1: there's a difference there. Um, So I think I know
Speaker 1: what the cornerback depth chart looks like, at least for
Speaker 1: the start of this thing. Safety not so much. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: we get to training camp and they do the one
Speaker 1: on one drills and stuff like that. I want to
Speaker 1: see Nishan Right against um the I want to least
Speaker 1: see him against the Cedric Wilsons and Noah Brown level
Speaker 1: and I don't see that. Definitely like to say, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's just boom put him right there,
Speaker 1: but you know, I he's done a nice job, and
Speaker 1: he's he's exceeding expectations which were in the dirt when
Speaker 1: he was drafted office, which and that's they were in
Speaker 1: the dirt, and now it's like they're here. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, yeah, come on, let's bring it down
Speaker 1: in the middle somewhere. Which is it's funny because I'm
Speaker 1: I've been reluctant to just proclaim things, but I have.
Speaker 1: I think I think fans will probably be pissed as
Speaker 1: training camp winds down and it's like, wow, like Kelvin
Speaker 1: and Kelvin and Nishan aren't gonna just grab this thing
Speaker 1: by the horns, Like no, it's hard to play cornerback
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and the three guys at the top
Speaker 1: of the depth chart have been doing it a lot longer.
Speaker 1: Other than his parents, nobody gets excited about Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: They just don't know. Nobody does. And that's just because
Speaker 1: he's just the guy that comes in and does his job.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's made a few plays in his career.
Speaker 1: He's probably one of the what top ten tenured players
Speaker 1: on this team right now, just because I've even he's
Speaker 1: been here five years. But you know, he's solid. I
Speaker 1: think that's the best definition for him, and which doesn't
Speaker 1: get people excited. No, nobody gets excited about solid corners,
Speaker 1: but those right and and Joseph, they've got to get
Speaker 1: to that level and that's hard to do as rookies.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I just think the deck is stacked against
Speaker 1: those guys. And sorry if that bumps people out, and
Speaker 1: maybe they'll prove me wrong, maybe they'll be incredible, but
Speaker 1: I unless somebody gets hurt, I think the top three corners,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to unseat those three in my opinion.
Speaker 1: All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. That's a
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Speaker 1: will be an ox star. Amber will be taking a
Speaker 1: little time, that little family time writing that down. Well,
Speaker 1: Jerry is said it, So I'm betting on the fact
Speaker 1: that if Jerry said Jerry, Jerry has said nothing about
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