Speaker 1: Also media pedophile.
Speaker 2: It's a correct pronunciation going into this j just for
Speaker 2: and that's the sentence we're starting the episode with, Welcome
Speaker 2: to It could happen here a podcast where we teach
Speaker 2: you how to pronounce the word pedophile or pedophile or
Speaker 2: pedophily your Greek. You know, that's not how the Greeks
Speaker 2: say it. I'm not doing any of this. Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show. We're talking about some breaking news about friend
Speaker 2: of the pod KRL Ray Jepstein. A joke I did
Speaker 2: on the Behind the Bastards episodes about Epstein that nobody liked,
Speaker 2: least of all the lawyers. I don't like that either.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even really a joke, just something I shouldn't
Speaker 2: have said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is all barely breaking news because this
Speaker 3: is stuff that we've known about for like ever.
Speaker 2: None of this is a mystery. We're not going to
Speaker 2: be blowing any minds here that Jeffrey Epstein mean sexually
Speaker 2: trafficked and molested children, or that Donald Trump probably did
Speaker 2: as well. Well, he didn't do the trafficking, but you
Speaker 2: know he was a party to it, allegedly, you know,
Speaker 2: being alleged by a lot of people. Ruper Murdoch, one
Speaker 2: of them, who is currently being sued for ten million
Speaker 2: dollars in his capacity as owner of The Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2: So on July seventeenth, twenty twenty five, at six forty
Speaker 2: five pm Eastern Standard time, The Wall Street Journal published
Speaker 2: an article with the title Jeffrey Epstein's friends sent him
Speaker 2: body letters for a fiftieth birthday album. One was from
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Body is one way to describe it. Body
Speaker 2: is one way to describe it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, indeed, it's really good to see a leftist
Speaker 3: outlet like Wall Street Journal take this thing head on.
Speaker 2: Yeah finally, yes, you know, I've had my issues with them,
Speaker 2: you know, being hardline Marxists as they are. That doesn't
Speaker 2: fully del with my own beliefs, but you have to
Speaker 2: respect them in this instance. You know, I'm not as
Speaker 2: much of a Stalinist as the Wall Street Journal Fame Stalin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why they've canceled us, because they're two wake cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Little Red Book published by the Wall Street Journal,
Speaker 2: big Malfant Pemphlets imprint. They've got history would absolve me.
Speaker 2: If they've got a Little Red Book. Yeah, yeah, they've
Speaker 2: got a beautiful leather bound edition. Of Ted Kaczinski's manifesto.
Speaker 2: Speaking of letter bound editions, Gillan Maxwell, I think this
Speaker 2: initially came out because it was a Spanish like small
Speaker 2: scale publisher that published that put out this like leatherbound
Speaker 2: book for Gillan for to give to Jeffrey and god
Speaker 2: do I want to see the whole copy because I
Speaker 2: am curious to do who else submitted letters. But during
Speaker 2: the FBI investigation into everything around Epstein, this was found
Speaker 2: and it got leaked out to the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2: I think the New York Times has now seen it,
Speaker 2: so they're not the only people who have seen it.
Speaker 2: So you've got a piece of paper and there is
Speaker 2: a drawing that may or may not have been done
Speaker 2: by Trump, but is alleged by some to have been
Speaker 2: done by Trump, although he denies this, having said that
Speaker 2: he has never written a picture in his life. But
Speaker 2: it's like a silhouette of a naked woman and then
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's signature where pubic hare would be right, classy man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: our current our president. Yeah, I had the guy with
Speaker 2: the nuclear codes. Yeah, great stuff. And then the actual
Speaker 2: text on the letter is written in the form of
Speaker 2: a dialogue, right, So it's like written as like a
Speaker 2: fake script of a conversation between Trump and Epstein voiceover.
Speaker 2: There must be more to life than having everything, Donald, Yes,
Speaker 2: there is, but I won't tell you what it is, Jeffrey,
Speaker 2: nor will I since I also know what it is. Donald.
Speaker 2: We have certain things in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, yes, we do,
Speaker 2: come to think of it, Donald, Enigma's never age. Have
Speaker 2: you noticed that, Jeffrey. As a matter of fact, it
Speaker 2: was clear to me the last time I saw you.
Speaker 2: A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may
Speaker 2: every day be another wonderful secret.
Speaker 5: The thing I need a listener to understand about this episode, Right,
Speaker 5: That is not the most incriminating thing Donald Trump is
Speaker 5: going to say in this episode.
Speaker 2: It's not even close to it. Although it is very funny.
Speaker 2: This could hardly be more direct if the letter was
Speaker 2: just Jeffrey, I love being a pedophile with you love
Speaker 2: Donald Trump? Right, Like, that's less direct. Yet he has.
Speaker 5: Gone further, but like he's just saying it.
Speaker 2: So the Wall Street Journal publishes this, and they publish
Speaker 2: this with like the least bit of editorializing that they can, right,
Speaker 2: They're being very careful with this. Trump loses his fucking mind.
Speaker 2: And this is obviously coming on the heels I probably
Speaker 2: should have started with this important context. This is coming
Speaker 2: on the heels of Pam Bondi and the Justice Department
Speaker 2: announcing actually everything's cool and we're like not going to
Speaker 2: be dropping any more info on Epstein. There's no client
Speaker 2: list or anything. After Bondi hit or earlier this year,
Speaker 2: been like, I have the Epstein client list on my desk,
Speaker 2: and they handed out the Epstein papers, you know, release
Speaker 2: one these like big binders that fucking the limbs of
Speaker 2: TikTok Lady and Jack Pasobaic and a bunch of other
Speaker 2: right wing influencers will walked out of the White House
Speaker 2: with these big binders being like, Aha, we've got it.
Speaker 2: We've got all the files that are gonna put all
Speaker 2: the dims behind jail. And then a couple of months later,
Speaker 2: Bondi and the DFJ is like, actually, there's nothing else
Speaker 2: to tell anybody. We've got nothing. There's nothing interesting at
Speaker 2: all about Epstein. So then this shit comes out, right,
Speaker 2: it gets leaked from someone, presumably someone within the FBI right.
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're left to assume at this point,
Speaker 2: because this was revealed as a part of their investigation. Right,
Speaker 2: this is some of the stuff that was confiscated, you know,
Speaker 2: when Gilan Maxwell got taken into custody. Okay, so a
Speaker 2: couple of things have happened since then. For one thing,
Speaker 2: Trump is suing the Wall Street Journal for I believe
Speaker 2: at least twenty billion dollars. This lawsuit was launched in
Speaker 2: a federal court in Miami. Trump said, Andrew's social The
Speaker 2: lawsuits filed not only in behalf of your favorite president,
Speaker 2: all caps me, but in order to continue standing up
Speaker 2: for all of them. So we'll no longer tolerate the
Speaker 2: abusive wrongdoings of the fake news media. So this is
Speaker 2: what Trump is claiming. Obviously, Trump denies any wrongdoing, denies
Speaker 2: anything but kind of lightly knowing Jeffrey Epstein. And for
Speaker 2: some context, Trump and Epstein have been seen together numerous times.
Speaker 2: There are pictures and videos of them both together. Trump
Speaker 2: talked about in interviews, including one with New York Magazine
Speaker 2: where he said, like me, Jeffrey's known to really like women,
Speaker 2: and some of them are on the younger side. Right,
Speaker 2: He's been saying like this for years. Quote.
Speaker 3: I've known Jeffer fifteen years terrific guy. He's a lot
Speaker 3: of fun to be with. Demon said. He likes beautiful
Speaker 3: women as much as I do, and many of them
Speaker 3: are on the younger side, no doubt about it. Jeffrey
Speaker 3: enjoys his social life. Two thousand and two, we know
Speaker 3: they were friends. The information suggests that I think it's
Speaker 3: around two thousand and five or six, they had a
Speaker 3: falling out over a real estate deal. With the real
Speaker 3: estate deal and one alleged incident at mar A Lago,
Speaker 3: Yes where Jeffrey was acting quote unquote inappropriately to a
Speaker 3: daughter of a member of the club and then Trump
Speaker 3: bar him from the club. And Trump has claimed this
Speaker 3: multiple times through the years. Between this and the real
Speaker 3: estate deal that's led to their falling out.
Speaker 2: There's other stories. There's one I've heard that Epstein got
Speaker 2: really angry because Trump was physically like touching one of
Speaker 2: Epstein's girlfriends, like one of his actual like partner girlfriends,
Speaker 2: and that he got angry over that. We don't know,
Speaker 2: but we do know that they were seen socially together
Speaker 2: and talked about being friends for quite a while.
Speaker 3: They were nighbors and they were like socialites both in
Speaker 3: New York and in Franida.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, for a while, from the eighties up through
Speaker 2: the early two thousands. Right now, Trump has denied sending
Speaker 2: this letter. He said that this doesn't sound like me.
Speaker 2: He wrote on truth Social I don't draw pictures.
Speaker 5: Now that was a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this has sparked one of my favorite investigatory cycles.
Speaker 2: The New York Times published an article right after this
Speaker 2: post that says Trump says he doesn't draw pictures, but
Speaker 2: many of the sketches sold at auction, and it was
Speaker 2: like photos of a bunch of And to be fair,
Speaker 2: none of these are sketches of naked women. But there's
Speaker 2: a crude black marker drawing of the Empire State Building,
Speaker 2: a lot of city skylines. Allegedly the drawing of the
Speaker 2: woman was drawn in black marker, right, And they're noting
Speaker 2: that he did a lot of black marker drawings, right.
Speaker 2: He signs his bills in shoppy, doesn't He signs his
Speaker 2: bills in sharpie, And that he has a signature that
Speaker 2: does kind of look like pubic hair. Right, if you
Speaker 2: were to like draw a crude set of Genitalia, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump's signature could stand in for pubic hair, right, Like
Speaker 2: the way that he signs this signature. That's one way
Speaker 2: you could interpret it, right, It's.
Speaker 5: Also noting and I think this is actually really important
Speaker 5: when he signs this, right, he signs it like like
Speaker 5: on this picture of like the Empire State Building. Right,
Speaker 5: it's a really shitty drawing the Umpire State Building. His
Speaker 5: signature is like right next to the building. If you're
Speaker 5: drawing a picture of a naked woman and you shift
Speaker 5: it like fIF.
Speaker 2: The Empire State Building was sitting down in like an
Speaker 2: L shape and had pubiccare. That's where the signature, right,
Speaker 2: It's everything is exactly the same it was. The Blaire
Speaker 2: State Building had pubic care. There's also a drawing that
Speaker 2: he did. It's called the money Tree drawing. It looks
Speaker 2: like if the giving tree was filled with dollars, and
Speaker 2: again the signature kind of looks like pubic hair. Trump's
Speaker 2: a little.
Speaker 1: Artists just got like but a sense underneath the money
Speaker 1: tree to meditate.
Speaker 2: That gets his alternative.
Speaker 3: Trump did like yearly drawings and doodles for like charity auctions,
Speaker 3: and that's what most of these are from.
Speaker 2: And to be fair, a lot of US presidents have
Speaker 2: been doodlers, you know, ike our former president doodled himself
Speaker 2: with huge muscles during a meeting talking about the overthrow
Speaker 2: of Guatemala by the same Chada funny. It's so funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, so many people died a horrible deaths, but
Speaker 2: it's really pretty funny. Chad Eisenhower.
Speaker 5: The people of quachamaas just shredded entire indigenous civilizations, wipe
Speaker 5: off the face of the earth forever, Like.
Speaker 2: Look at Chad Eyesen, how a God.
Speaker 1: If you have a Chad eise In how a tattoo,
Speaker 1: please submit it to U Sophie on Twitter to issueses,
Speaker 1: I write, Okay.
Speaker 2: Look, I feel confident saying iHeartRadio will pay for anyone's tattoo.
Speaker 2: If you want to get Chad Eisenhower as long as
Speaker 2: it's a facial tattoo, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: You can get it in that uv ink that doing
Speaker 1: tattoos in that say in the club triggering stampede from
Speaker 1: the downs fill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna cause another one of those fucking Jersey
Speaker 2: nightclub fires that killed one and people. It's not funny.
Speaker 2: A lot of people died anyway. There was also another God.
Speaker 2: I should have it up here, but it's another investigation
Speaker 2: into like does the writing that Trump did sound like
Speaker 2: his other writing, and they found that Number one, Trump
Speaker 2: has a number of times in the past put out
Speaker 2: writing in the form of a hypothetical script between other people.
Speaker 2: That is a thing he's done in the past. And
Speaker 2: then multiple phrases that were used in this letter are
Speaker 2: phrases he has used in the in some cases multiple.
Speaker 3: Times, except some of the Mega investigators were able to
Speaker 3: use Grok to ask if Trump ever used the word
Speaker 3: enigma before, and Grok said no, So we closed that case.
Speaker 2: Never mind the fact that he said it on the campaign.
Speaker 3: Trail in twenty sixteen, and he said multiple times in
Speaker 3: his best selling.
Speaker 2: Book No Evidence. He wrote that book he loves the word. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say he loves it, but he's used
Speaker 2: the word enigma before. Right, he described Ben Carson as
Speaker 2: an enigma. He's described Dan Rather as an enigma. So
Speaker 2: maybe he and Epstein were both fucking Dan Rather. Is
Speaker 2: that possible. I'm gonna say yes. I think you should
Speaker 2: also be impeached for that, I think so. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I have just got talking of Grok.
Speaker 1: I'm reading the Trump versus Murder doc lawsuit, which describe
Speaker 1: Eggs dot Com as quote the Internet's watering hole.
Speaker 2: What no, sorry, no, yeah, no longer the everything website
Speaker 2: the watering hole. What are you doing? What is with you? People?
Speaker 2: Fucking jump off a bridge, you stupid sons bitious.
Speaker 3: It is interesting you still really met at Elon because
Speaker 3: Elon is also one of the originators of this current
Speaker 3: wave of like Epstein focus.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting. After the letter came out, Elon was
Speaker 2: just like, obviously a fake. Obviously. I think he's scared.
Speaker 2: I think some g men showed up at his door
Speaker 2: and were like, this is a nice life you've got,
Speaker 2: fucking Elon Musk. It would be a shape of a
Speaker 2: hell fire missile, hit your house, hit your fucking compound
Speaker 2: with all of your wives.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, and this is the fun part
Speaker 5: about this is like it doesn't matter what Elon says now,
Speaker 5: like he already opened the floodgates and the games are fucking.
Speaker 2: Open now, Like no, no, no, do.
Speaker 5: You know what else the gates are open from?
Speaker 2: Yeah, is our advertisers and we're back. So this is
Speaker 2: the gist of the situation. Now this letter is out,
Speaker 2: and I'll lot of people, even I was, and I
Speaker 2: still am to some extent kind of there's been so
Speaker 2: many ops. This has to be it for old Donnie
Speaker 2: Trump out of this one. Nitny wiggles this fucking way
Speaker 2: out right, you know that said, this does seem to
Speaker 2: be pissing off a lot of his more diehard people, right,
Speaker 2: including fucking the Dilbert guy. We don't need to give
Speaker 2: any name besides the Dilbert guy, but the Dilbert guy's
Speaker 2: pissed about this. A lot of people who have been
Speaker 2: like really religious Trump supporters are pissed as a result
Speaker 2: of this. Ye Sean Ryan the right who is pissed
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 3: Even Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has been more
Speaker 3: Trump critical the past week and has given interviews to
Speaker 3: another mega influencer turned soft Trump critic, now Benny Johnson,
Speaker 3: about how Trump handled this so poorly. And a lot
Speaker 3: of them are trying to make this down into like
Speaker 3: a messaging fail or like a rhetoric fumble, which obviously
Speaker 3: it's so much more substantial than that. But cracks are
Speaker 3: forming in a way that we haven't really seen for
Speaker 3: his base in a long time.
Speaker 5: And the thing I think is really important about this
Speaker 5: is that, Okay, so this is me a going history mode.
Speaker 5: If you look at a thing that has been studied
Speaker 5: by an enormous amount by the left and I think
Speaker 5: studied mostly wrong, which is how did the Bolsheviks actually
Speaker 5: take power in nineteen seventeen. And the answer is that
Speaker 5: when they came for Kerensky in the October Revolution, everyone
Speaker 5: stayed home. Everyone looked at Kerensky and was like, I'm
Speaker 5: not dying for that dip shit, like fuck them. Like
Speaker 5: if there's like dueling machine gun companies in the street,
Speaker 5: i Am not going to go die for Alexander Kerensky.
Speaker 5: And that's all they won because everyone stayed home. And
Speaker 5: that's the thing with Trump, right. The thing that's important
Speaker 5: about this is that the way that Trump can be
Speaker 5: defeated is if enough of his base just stays the
Speaker 5: fuck home. Whenever the sort of terminal crisis hits and
Speaker 5: every single thing we get like this, we're more and
Speaker 5: more of his base is like, well, I mean I
Speaker 5: could go face down a machine gun line for this guy,
Speaker 5: but he did piss me off by Epstein, so like
Speaker 5: fuck that. The more that it happens, the better it
Speaker 5: is for all of us. Whenever the confrontations start to emerge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in general, just the more so, much
Speaker 2: of the modern right is built on the Epstein stuff,
Speaker 2: and a lot of it is a myth. Right, there's
Speaker 2: a mythical idea that Epstein is trafficking small children and
Speaker 2: he's not. He was trafficking teenage girls, because that's what
Speaker 2: mostly rich adult men want to fuck, Right, That's just
Speaker 2: the reality of the.
Speaker 3: Situation, including famously Donald Trump. Yeah, he has like said
Speaker 3: this before, and you can look at the many court
Speaker 3: cases that have often been solved out of court legend
Speaker 3: by him, and like, there's this clip of the Howard
Speaker 3: Stern Show from the mid two thousands, which is kind
Speaker 3: of an endless source of men saying horrible things.
Speaker 2: I will include this clip here thing about four year olds.
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, would you do it?
Speaker 2: I have no problem? Yeah, do you have any age limit?
Speaker 2: Or would you no?
Speaker 1: No, I have no age.
Speaker 2: I mean I have an age. I don't want to
Speaker 2: be like with you a twelve year old? Can I
Speaker 2: make a prediction for you?
Speaker 5: Good lord?
Speaker 3: This is the incorrect response to this question. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: question has a very clear like cut off point, which
Speaker 3: even still is a little bit iffy. But this is
Speaker 3: absolutely the wrong answer. The answer is not twelve years old.
Speaker 2: This is that is Marty legally the wrong answer? Oh man.
Speaker 5: You know, one of the things I think it's also
Speaker 5: really important about this is looking at this in the
Speaker 5: context of Trump's unbelievable number of sexual assault allegations. And
Speaker 5: we're going to get into that in a second, but
Speaker 5: first we need to ask the question, Okay, has Donald
Speaker 5: Trump ever intentionally looked at the naked body of an
Speaker 5: underage girl? And in order to figure out the answer
Speaker 5: to this, I am going to turn to the man himself,
Speaker 5: Donald Trump, talking about walking into the changing rooms of
Speaker 5: teen Miss USA pageants and I quote, you know, no
Speaker 5: men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because
Speaker 5: I'm the owner of the pageant. I'm inspecting it is everyone. Okay,
Speaker 5: you know they're standing there with no clothes and you
Speaker 5: see these incredible looking women, and I sort of get
Speaker 5: away with things like that. Now, that is our President,
Speaker 5: Donald J. Trump saying that he walks into changing rooms
Speaker 5: and looks at the bodies of naked underage girls and
Speaker 5: says that they are anti quote, incredible looking women. Hey,
Speaker 5: this is Mia from the future. So the Rolling Stone
Speaker 5: piece where this quote from the Howard Stern interview is
Speaker 5: pulled implies that Trump is specifically talking about Miss teen
Speaker 5: USA when he talks about walking into pageants. In the
Speaker 5: actual transcript, as Listener pointed out, Trump is referring to
Speaker 5: the regular Miss USA thing, so he is specifically and
Speaker 5: he does say this later on merely walking in on
Speaker 5: women who are aged eighteen to twenty four. Well, they
Speaker 5: are undressed, so that's worth clarifying. And I apologize for
Speaker 5: the mistake.
Speaker 3: I remember when this quote was going around like maybe
Speaker 3: ta years ago. Yeah, and then just no one, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's gone to the memory hole now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, disappear right, Like there's so much of this shit.
Speaker 2: Like the Access Hollywood tape, but like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it's actually worth like looking at this.
Speaker 5: There's another quote from Vox where they say this is
Speaker 5: an incident of like Trump walking in on a changing
Speaker 5: room like of again like naked underage girls. Quote. The
Speaker 5: Lottel told BuzzFeed she mentioned the incident to Trump's daughter Avonka,
Speaker 5: who shrugged it off, saying, quote, yeah he does that,
Speaker 5: so like yeah, like this is multiple people cooperating that
Speaker 5: he just like walks into the changing rooms of naked
Speaker 5: underage girls and like looks at their bodies right now,
Speaker 5: I will call that pedophile shit, right Like, I don't
Speaker 5: know if he wants to sue me for one billion dollars,
Speaker 5: please don't.
Speaker 2: But like sounds like he's alleging a pedophile shit.
Speaker 5: He's the one who said this, so, like you know,
Speaker 5: and it's worth noting also last year a jury did
Speaker 5: rule that Trump had sexually assaulted an advice columnist named
Speaker 5: em J. Carroll, and you had to pay her like
Speaker 5: five million dollars. There's also again the like grabb him
Speaker 5: by the pussy thing, which is him just talking about
Speaker 5: sexually assaulting women, which he does constantly. He kept on
Speaker 5: just like walking up to like people at his pageants
Speaker 5: and just kissing him without their consent, which is again
Speaker 5: sexual assault and directly tied to the Epstein case. We
Speaker 5: have an allegation by former model Stacy Williams, which for
Speaker 5: some reason, I don't know why everyone has suddenly forgotten
Speaker 5: about this, who alleged that she was introduced to Trump
Speaker 5: by Epstein, who like walked her to Trump Tower to
Speaker 5: meet Donald Trump, where he then sexually assaulted her like
Speaker 5: in front of Epstein.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Trump Tower.
Speaker 3: This was also included in a list the New York
Speaker 3: Times put together a few days ago on like Trump
Speaker 3: and Epstein's friendship quote. One of the young women who
Speaker 3: later said mister Epstein greendon abused her, was recruited into
Speaker 3: his world while working as a spot in an at
Speaker 3: mar a Lago. Another accuser recalled being eyed by Trump
Speaker 3: during a brief encounter in mister Epstein's office and claimed
Speaker 3: that mister Epstein told Trump at the time, quote, she's
Speaker 3: not for you.
Speaker 5: So like he just like says this, right, And I
Speaker 5: think this is you know, part of the problem that
Speaker 5: we've been sort of getting it here, right, which is
Speaker 5: that like the conservative mythos about Epstein is that it's
Speaker 5: like four year olds, right, and it's like, no, Epstein
Speaker 5: was doing the shit that Donald Trump talks about doing, right,
Speaker 5: But because it's like attached to Epstein, right, Like Trump
Speaker 5: doesn't want to admit that he's been doing this, even
Speaker 5: though he's been admitting that he's been doing this for
Speaker 5: decades and decades and decades. It's harder for the conservatives
Speaker 5: to deal with this because like all of these people
Speaker 5: think the child marriage should be legal, and that creeping
Speaker 5: on like fifteen year olds isn't pedophilia.
Speaker 1: It's not hot for them to deal with this because
Speaker 1: they don't have a fucking problem with it.
Speaker 3: Like Matt Walsh's talking about how like seventeen year olds
Speaker 3: are the most fertile. So yeah, this is very common
Speaker 3: among certain aspects of like this like evangelical again.
Speaker 2: And it's a major thing on the right to fight
Speaker 2: for it to be legal to marry fourteen year old girls,
Speaker 2: you know, as long as their parents say yes.
Speaker 5: And you can look at this from a conspiracy productive
Speaker 5: and be like, okay, like is there a ruling cabal
Speaker 5: of pedophiles I control the United States? And it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's the Baptists and like the systematic cover up of
Speaker 5: this shit by the Catholic Church, right, it's Epstein. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But it's also like Trump admitting that he's like again
Speaker 5: perving on like doing pedophile shit, like walking in on
Speaker 5: these changing rooms of these fucking girls. He's just like
Speaker 5: admitting this on TV, right.
Speaker 3: And I think like the current thing that Trump's trying
Speaker 3: to do is make this Epstein thing another one of
Speaker 3: the many lines of attack against him throughout the years,
Speaker 3: and He's done a really good job at deflecting some
Speaker 3: things that have some actual, like serious data on had
Speaker 3: some serious investigations and like there was aspects of like
Speaker 3: Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election. It may not
Speaker 3: have changed the outcome of the election in a substantial manner,
Speaker 3: but this is something that the FBI like legitimately investigated
Speaker 3: and had like real findings of, and he was able
Speaker 3: to just completely like rewrite what that investigation was into
Speaker 3: this like completely like astroturfed and like orchestrated huax. And
Speaker 3: now it's like one of the main things that he
Speaker 3: talks about. And whenever there's new things that people bring
Speaker 3: up about why Trump is bad, he just compares it
Speaker 3: to the Russia hoax. Everything's just just like the Russia hoax.
Speaker 3: This is just another Democrat hoax against me. And this
Speaker 3: has been such an effective way for him to diffuse
Speaker 3: so many lines of attack against him. It's by just
Speaker 3: repeating long enough and often enough that it's just a
Speaker 3: baseless hoax. And he can do this anytime, and he'll
Speaker 3: replace like, oh, you know, this is a hoax. But
Speaker 3: you know when Hunter Biden does stuff, that's the real
Speaker 3: thing that the Democrats then try to cover up.
Speaker 2: Laptop.
Speaker 3: They talk about Hunter's laptop so many times something that
Speaker 3: does not matter. But like this is the trend that
Speaker 3: he's been able to do, and eventually journalists and media
Speaker 3: get tired of having to repeat the same thing over
Speaker 3: and over again, explaining that these things are not baseless
Speaker 3: hoaxes but are legitimate investigations, legitimate concerns, and people just
Speaker 3: get tired of it. And he's able to like warp
Speaker 3: reality around things that he says. And this is the
Speaker 3: thing he's currently trying to do with Epstein. This is
Speaker 3: why he's calling it the Epstein hoax, using the same
Speaker 3: rhetoric that he used around all of the Russia stuff
Speaker 3: around the twenty twenty election, around Hunter Biden's laptop, and
Speaker 3: it's gonna tire people out, and you I can already
Speaker 3: kind of feel some of this like iteration of it
Speaker 3: losing some steam, And like I thought the Wall Street
Speaker 3: journal piece would like invigorate people's discussion of like Trump's,
Speaker 3: you know, alleged pedophilia, and I think it's I don't know,
Speaker 3: at least in like observing the online ecosystem, immediate ecosystem
Speaker 3: the last few days, I don't know if Trump's strategy
Speaker 3: is working, but it is growing stagnant and that's just
Speaker 3: kind of the pace of the Internet sometimes. But if
Speaker 3: he's able to keep doing what he's currently doing, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure if this stuff's going to really matter in
Speaker 3: two months beyond, you know, whatever comes out in discovery
Speaker 3: for the like Murdoch lawsuit, we should maybe explain who
Speaker 3: Murdoch is.
Speaker 2: Just it's doing murder.
Speaker 3: Rupert Murdoch is he's a leftist revolutionary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to say, member of the Communist Party. No,
Speaker 1: Murdoch is an Australian tabloid magnate who owns the tabloid
Speaker 1: press more or less at some point in time. He
Speaker 1: has probably owned most of the tabloid press in the
Speaker 1: English language almost all around the world.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He owns The Sun in the UK, also The Times
Speaker 1: in Australia. He owns The Daily Sun and Deli Telegraph.
Speaker 1: In the US, he owns in Wall Street Journal and
Speaker 1: the New York Post. He also owns Sky News, which
Speaker 1: broadcast like in the UK, he owns Fox News. He
Speaker 1: used to own people in the UK, remember the News
Speaker 1: of the world. He owns a massive amount of the
Speaker 1: tabloid and I guess the broadsheet press now. But he
Speaker 1: has historically been very right wing right. It's fair to
Speaker 1: say that murdock outlets have boosted tranormously in his assent
Speaker 1: to office. However, now it appears they have fallen out,
Speaker 1: and that is significant. I think it is significant that
Speaker 1: this guy who has played a huge role in Trump's like,
Speaker 1: we don't have the sort of liberal Walter Cronkite anymore, right,
Speaker 1: like the person who can change their mind on something
Speaker 1: and take the nation with them in the way that
Speaker 1: the Kronkite had a role in doing at least in
Speaker 1: the Vietnam War. The boomer and gen x conservative people
Speaker 1: still have that in Fox News right like Fox News
Speaker 1: can because it's like the constant background noise in people's
Speaker 1: lives in so much of this country. It can take
Speaker 1: people with it. And the fact that Trump has gone
Speaker 1: after Murdoch, I think that is potentially they're falling out.
Speaker 1: Continues that it's potentially the most damaging part of this
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 5: I want to read a quote. I think I've talked
Speaker 5: about this on the show before, but Murdoch's role in
Speaker 5: doing the sort of reality shaping stuff for Trump until
Speaker 5: now and Garrison we were talking about about how Trump
Speaker 5: is able to sort of create his own reality. I
Speaker 5: want to read this quote from the Bush administration that's
Speaker 5: very famous, which is like the reality based canuit quote,
Speaker 5: because the neo cons were trying to do the same thing. Right.
Speaker 5: There's a very famous quote from the Bush administration which
Speaker 5: is attributed to a journalist named Ron Suttzkind, and he's
Speaker 5: doing an interview with like a Bush Administration aid, and
Speaker 5: I'm just going to quote fromit. The aid said that
Speaker 5: guys like me were a quote in what we call
Speaker 5: the reality based community, which he defined as people who
Speaker 5: quote believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of
Speaker 5: discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore,
Speaker 5: he continued. We're an empire now, and when we act,
Speaker 5: we create our own reality. And while you're studying reality judiciously,
Speaker 5: as you will, will act again, creating other new realities
Speaker 5: which you can study too, and that's how things will
Speaker 5: sort out. We're history's actors, and you, all of you
Speaker 5: will just be left to study what we do. And
Speaker 5: that's you know a lot of a trump ism is too, right,
Speaker 5: which is that like, yeah, I know all of you
Speaker 5: people are trying to like describe reality. I'm just simply
Speaker 5: going to change it by saying shit, right, doing shit.
Speaker 3: And like all he has to do is like diffuse
Speaker 3: the possible damage that this Epstein thing can do to
Speaker 3: his base. Like he does not care about the other
Speaker 3: half the country at all. He knows that they hate him,
Speaker 3: that does not matter. All he has to do is
Speaker 3: create enough of a doubt in the mind of the
Speaker 3: base that this thing isn't real. There's no proof that
Speaker 3: this Wall Street Journal story is real. This is all
Speaker 3: a hoax. The Epstein files were written by Obama, even
Speaker 3: though the second Epstein investigation was kicked off when he
Speaker 3: was president in twenty nineteen. But all these files were
Speaker 3: written by Mina Garrison.
Speaker 1: I think it's bold of you to say that Trump
Speaker 1: was president in twenty nineteen. That's very much upfit toy.
Speaker 3: It's a controversial claim now about who was president in
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly, like who was president in twenty twenty is
Speaker 1: something that the country now disagrees about.
Speaker 5: Yeah. The thing I want to say about this, though,
Speaker 5: right is, the neocons believe they could do this right.
Speaker 5: The Newocons believed they had seized the range of empire
Speaker 5: and they could forever shape reality to their will, and
Speaker 5: they couldn't This quote from two thousand and four, Right,
Speaker 5: the newocons tried to do this and they add a rock,
Speaker 5: and they thought they could just fucking will like empire,
Speaker 5: like we create reality. I thought they could just turn
Speaker 5: a rock into their own personal playgrounds, and it destroyed them.
Speaker 5: Like where are the neocons now? Right?
Speaker 2: Like some of them are obviously the Trump miministration, but
Speaker 2: like this is not a neocons Some of them are
Speaker 2: now in the anti Trump verside of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, many of them are in the Lincoln project.
Speaker 2: I think is right.
Speaker 5: The neocons are, like they don't they do not rule
Speaker 5: the empire anymore. Right, that's Trump. These people they ran
Speaker 5: into a piece of reality that they tried to devour
Speaker 5: and consume and replace, and it destroyed them. And I
Speaker 5: don't know if this is that for Trump, but.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I don't know. I'm not that optimistic.
Speaker 5: But like the last time that someone tried to do
Speaker 5: this using the American state, they eventually hit a thing
Speaker 5: they couldn't swallow and it completely annihilated them. And that's
Speaker 5: the goal with us, right, Like we have to like
Speaker 5: find the thing where enough of the coalition is peeled
Speaker 5: off and where it just completely blows up in their
Speaker 5: fucking face. And hopefully it's not like the Iraq War
Speaker 5: three or something. But this ability to warp reality purely
Speaker 5: by like thought and speech and action of empire like
Speaker 5: has its limits, and we've seen them be destroyed before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took a lot of people dying into the
Speaker 1: first time, and that's.
Speaker 5: What it was horrible, Right, It's not easy to stop
Speaker 5: these people. But you know, like, where the fuck is
Speaker 5: George Bush right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing a painting, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, on his foreign painting, but he's not running the
Speaker 5: fucking country's far.
Speaker 2: He's like ten miles away from where I still live.
Speaker 2: It down. God, he's at Robin's house. And I don't
Speaker 2: know what else we got to say about our old
Speaker 2: friend Jepstein.
Speaker 5: I guess the one last thing that I have to
Speaker 5: say is I actually do think that, Like, look, if
Speaker 5: the thing that you've decided to do is you want
Speaker 5: to wage information warfare, like just continuing to spread this
Speaker 5: shit and like seating it in random right wing things
Speaker 5: is probably a fun thing to do with your time.
Speaker 5: It could work. Who knows it can't hurt?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could, but probably won't. What really
Speaker 2: could hurt right now? Given where we are, this.
Speaker 1: Is like the biggest chink in the maga ama that
Speaker 1: we've seen. Like he's lost more people over this than
Speaker 1: tearing families apart with masked and identified men with guns.
Speaker 2: People are fine with that, James unfortunately lost to him
Speaker 2: think it's cool, but some of them don't.
Speaker 5: And that's going to be our interview tomorrow or maybe yesterday.
Speaker 3: The whole country is governed by QAnon logic. Now, this
Speaker 3: is the only thing that truly gets Americans upset anymore.
Speaker 3: As like an entire political block. Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 3: Like QAnon as a cohesive conspiracy doesn't really exist anymore,
Speaker 3: but its logic has perforated every aspect of America, Democrats
Speaker 3: and Republicans included. Now and that's the real people that's
Speaker 3: like survived, survived the past ten years of politics. Is
Speaker 3: like the logic of QAnon.
Speaker 2: It's the only thing that matters. It cannot be killed anymore.
Speaker 2: All right, Well this has been It could happen here
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Speaker 2: beautiful secret gold.
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