WEBVTT - Why Is Trump So Afraid of Epstein?

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<v Speaker 1>Also media pedophile.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a correct pronunciation going into this j just for

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the sentence we're starting the episode with, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to It could happen here a podcast where we teach

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<v Speaker 2>you how to pronounce the word pedophile or pedophile or

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<v Speaker 2>pedophily your Greek. You know, that's not how the Greeks

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<v Speaker 2>say it. I'm not doing any of this. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the show. We're talking about some breaking news about friend

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<v Speaker 2>of the pod KRL Ray Jepstein. A joke I did

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<v Speaker 2>on the Behind the Bastards episodes about Epstein that nobody liked,

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<v Speaker 2>least of all the lawyers. I don't like that either.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even really a joke, just something I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have said.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so this is all barely breaking news because this

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<v Speaker 3>is stuff that we've known about for like ever.

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<v Speaker 2>None of this is a mystery. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be blowing any minds here that Jeffrey Epstein mean sexually

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<v Speaker 2>trafficked and molested children, or that Donald Trump probably did

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Well, he didn't do the trafficking, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know he was a party to it, allegedly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being alleged by a lot of people. Ruper Murdoch, one

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<v Speaker 2>of them, who is currently being sued for ten million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in his capacity as owner of The Wall Street Journal.

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<v Speaker 2>So on July seventeenth, twenty twenty five, at six forty

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<v Speaker 2>five pm Eastern Standard time, The Wall Street Journal published

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<v Speaker 2>an article with the title Jeffrey Epstein's friends sent him

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<v Speaker 2>body letters for a fiftieth birthday album. One was from

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. Body is one way to describe it. Body

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<v Speaker 2>is one way to describe it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Yes, indeed, it's really good to see a leftist

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<v Speaker 3>outlet like Wall Street Journal take this thing head on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah finally, yes, you know, I've had my issues with them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being hardline Marxists as they are. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>fully del with my own beliefs, but you have to

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<v Speaker 2>respect them in this instance. You know, I'm not as

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<v Speaker 2>much of a Stalinist as the Wall Street Journal Fame Stalin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why they've canceled us, because they're two wake cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The Little Red Book published by the Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 2>big Malfant Pemphlets imprint. They've got history would absolve me.

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<v Speaker 2>If they've got a Little Red Book. Yeah, yeah, they've

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<v Speaker 2>got a beautiful leather bound edition. Of Ted Kaczinski's manifesto.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of letter bound editions, Gillan Maxwell, I think this

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<v Speaker 2>initially came out because it was a Spanish like small

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<v Speaker 2>scale publisher that published that put out this like leatherbound

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<v Speaker 2>book for Gillan for to give to Jeffrey and god

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<v Speaker 2>do I want to see the whole copy because I

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<v Speaker 2>am curious to do who else submitted letters. But during

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI investigation into everything around Epstein, this was found

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<v Speaker 2>and it got leaked out to the Wall Street Journal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the New York Times has now seen it,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're not the only people who have seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got a piece of paper and there is

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<v Speaker 2>a drawing that may or may not have been done

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<v Speaker 2>by Trump, but is alleged by some to have been

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<v Speaker 2>done by Trump, although he denies this, having said that

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<v Speaker 2>he has never written a picture in his life. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a silhouette of a naked woman and then

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's signature where pubic hare would be right, classy man, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>our current our president. Yeah, I had the guy with

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<v Speaker 2>the nuclear codes. Yeah, great stuff. And then the actual

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<v Speaker 2>text on the letter is written in the form of

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<v Speaker 2>a dialogue, right, So it's like written as like a

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<v Speaker 2>fake script of a conversation between Trump and Epstein voiceover.

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<v Speaker 2>There must be more to life than having everything, Donald, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there is, but I won't tell you what it is, Jeffrey,

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<v Speaker 2>nor will I since I also know what it is. Donald.

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<v Speaker 2>We have certain things in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, yes, we do,

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<v Speaker 2>come to think of it, Donald, Enigma's never age. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you noticed that, Jeffrey. As a matter of fact, it

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<v Speaker 2>was clear to me the last time I saw you.

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<v Speaker 2>A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may

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<v Speaker 2>every day be another wonderful secret.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing I need a listener to understand about this episode, Right,

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<v Speaker 5>That is not the most incriminating thing Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 5>going to say in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even close to it. Although it is very funny.

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<v Speaker 2>This could hardly be more direct if the letter was

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<v Speaker 2>just Jeffrey, I love being a pedophile with you love

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump? Right, Like, that's less direct. Yet he has.

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<v Speaker 5>Gone further, but like he's just saying it.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Wall Street Journal publishes this, and they publish

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<v Speaker 2>this with like the least bit of editorializing that they can, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They're being very careful with this. Trump loses his fucking mind.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is obviously coming on the heels I probably

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<v Speaker 2>should have started with this important context. This is coming

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<v Speaker 2>on the heels of Pam Bondi and the Justice Department

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<v Speaker 2>announcing actually everything's cool and we're like not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be dropping any more info on Epstein. There's no client

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<v Speaker 2>list or anything. After Bondi hit or earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 2>been like, I have the Epstein client list on my desk,

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<v Speaker 2>and they handed out the Epstein papers, you know, release

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<v Speaker 2>one these like big binders that fucking the limbs of

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok Lady and Jack Pasobaic and a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 2>right wing influencers will walked out of the White House

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<v Speaker 2>with these big binders being like, Aha, we've got it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got all the files that are gonna put all

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<v Speaker 2>the dims behind jail. And then a couple of months later,

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<v Speaker 2>Bondi and the DFJ is like, actually, there's nothing else

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<v Speaker 2>to tell anybody. We've got nothing. There's nothing interesting at

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<v Speaker 2>all about Epstein. So then this shit comes out, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets leaked from someone, presumably someone within the FBI right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what we're left to assume at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>because this was revealed as a part of their investigation. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is some of the stuff that was confiscated, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when Gilan Maxwell got taken into custody. Okay, so a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of things have happened since then. For one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is suing the Wall Street Journal for I believe

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<v Speaker 2>at least twenty billion dollars. This lawsuit was launched in

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<v Speaker 2>a federal court in Miami. Trump said, Andrew's social The

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuits filed not only in behalf of your favorite president,

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<v Speaker 2>all caps me, but in order to continue standing up

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<v Speaker 2>for all of them. So we'll no longer tolerate the

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<v Speaker 2>abusive wrongdoings of the fake news media. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>what Trump is claiming. Obviously, Trump denies any wrongdoing, denies

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<v Speaker 2>anything but kind of lightly knowing Jeffrey Epstein. And for

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<v Speaker 2>some context, Trump and Epstein have been seen together numerous times.

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<v Speaker 2>There are pictures and videos of them both together. Trump

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<v Speaker 2>talked about in interviews, including one with New York Magazine

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<v Speaker 2>where he said, like me, Jeffrey's known to really like women,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of them are on the younger side. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>He's been saying like this for years. Quote.

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<v Speaker 3>I've known Jeffer fifteen years terrific guy. He's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of fun to be with. Demon said. He likes beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>women as much as I do, and many of them

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<v Speaker 3>are on the younger side, no doubt about it. Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 3>enjoys his social life. Two thousand and two, we know

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<v Speaker 3>they were friends. The information suggests that I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>around two thousand and five or six, they had a

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<v Speaker 3>falling out over a real estate deal. With the real

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<v Speaker 3>estate deal and one alleged incident at mar A Lago,

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<v Speaker 3>Yes where Jeffrey was acting quote unquote inappropriately to a

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<v Speaker 3>daughter of a member of the club and then Trump

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<v Speaker 3>bar him from the club. And Trump has claimed this

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<v Speaker 3>multiple times through the years. Between this and the real

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<v Speaker 3>estate deal that's led to their falling out.

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<v Speaker 2>There's other stories. There's one I've heard that Epstein got

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<v Speaker 2>really angry because Trump was physically like touching one of

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein's girlfriends, like one of his actual like partner girlfriends,

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<v Speaker 2>and that he got angry over that. We don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but we do know that they were seen socially together

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<v Speaker 2>and talked about being friends for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 3>They were nighbors and they were like socialites both in

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<v Speaker 3>New York and in Franida.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, for a while, from the eighties up through

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<v Speaker 2>the early two thousands. Right now, Trump has denied sending

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<v Speaker 2>this letter. He said that this doesn't sound like me.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote on truth Social I don't draw pictures.

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<v Speaker 5>Now that was a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this has sparked one of my favorite investigatory cycles.

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times published an article right after this

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<v Speaker 2>post that says Trump says he doesn't draw pictures, but

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<v Speaker 2>many of the sketches sold at auction, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>like photos of a bunch of And to be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>none of these are sketches of naked women. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>a crude black marker drawing of the Empire State Building,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of city skylines. Allegedly the drawing of the

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<v Speaker 2>woman was drawn in black marker, right, And they're noting

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<v Speaker 2>that he did a lot of black marker drawings, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He signs his bills in shoppy, doesn't He signs his

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<v Speaker 2>bills in sharpie, And that he has a signature that

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<v Speaker 2>does kind of look like pubic hair. Right, if you

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<v Speaker 2>were to like draw a crude set of Genitalia, Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's signature could stand in for pubic hair, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>the way that he signs this signature. That's one way

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<v Speaker 2>you could interpret it, right, It's.

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<v Speaker 5>Also noting and I think this is actually really important

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<v Speaker 5>when he signs this, right, he signs it like like

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<v Speaker 5>on this picture of like the Empire State Building. Right,

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<v Speaker 5>it's a really shitty drawing the Umpire State Building. His

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<v Speaker 5>signature is like right next to the building. If you're

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<v Speaker 5>drawing a picture of a naked woman and you shift

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<v Speaker 5>it like fIF.

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<v Speaker 2>The Empire State Building was sitting down in like an

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<v Speaker 2>L shape and had pubiccare. That's where the signature, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's everything is exactly the same it was. The Blaire

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<v Speaker 2>State Building had pubic care. There's also a drawing that

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<v Speaker 2>he did. It's called the money Tree drawing. It looks

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<v Speaker 2>like if the giving tree was filled with dollars, and

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<v Speaker 2>again the signature kind of looks like pubic hair. Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Artists just got like but a sense underneath the money

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<v Speaker 1>tree to meditate.

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<v Speaker 2>That gets his alternative.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump did like yearly drawings and doodles for like charity auctions,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what most of these are from.

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<v Speaker 2>And to be fair, a lot of US presidents have

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<v Speaker 2>been doodlers, you know, ike our former president doodled himself

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<v Speaker 2>with huge muscles during a meeting talking about the overthrow

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<v Speaker 2>of Guatemala by the same Chada funny. It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so many people died a horrible deaths, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's really pretty funny. Chad Eisenhower.

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<v Speaker 5>The people of quachamaas just shredded entire indigenous civilizations, wipe

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<v Speaker 5>off the face of the earth forever, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at Chad Eyesen, how a God.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a Chad eise In how a tattoo,

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<v Speaker 1>please submit it to U Sophie on Twitter to issueses,

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<v Speaker 1>I write, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I feel confident saying iHeartRadio will pay for anyone's tattoo.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to get Chad Eisenhower as long as

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<v Speaker 2>it's a facial tattoo, you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get it in that uv ink that doing

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<v Speaker 1>tattoos in that say in the club triggering stampede from

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<v Speaker 1>the downs fill.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're gonna cause another one of those fucking Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>nightclub fires that killed one and people. It's not funny.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people died anyway. There was also another God.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have it up here, but it's another investigation

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<v Speaker 2>into like does the writing that Trump did sound like

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<v Speaker 2>his other writing, and they found that Number one, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has a number of times in the past put out

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<v Speaker 2>writing in the form of a hypothetical script between other people.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a thing he's done in the past. And

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<v Speaker 2>then multiple phrases that were used in this letter are

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<v Speaker 2>phrases he has used in the in some cases multiple.

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<v Speaker 3>Times, except some of the Mega investigators were able to

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<v Speaker 3>use Grok to ask if Trump ever used the word

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<v Speaker 3>enigma before, and Grok said no, So we closed that case.

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<v Speaker 2>Never mind the fact that he said it on the campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>Trail in twenty sixteen, and he said multiple times in

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<v Speaker 3>his best selling.

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<v Speaker 2>Book No Evidence. He wrote that book he loves the word. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna say he loves it, but he's used

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<v Speaker 2>the word enigma before. Right, he described Ben Carson as

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<v Speaker 2>an enigma. He's described Dan Rather as an enigma. So

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he and Epstein were both fucking Dan Rather. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that possible. I'm gonna say yes. I think you should

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<v Speaker 2>also be impeached for that, I think so. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I have just got talking of Grok.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reading the Trump versus Murder doc lawsuit, which describe

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<v Speaker 1>Eggs dot Com as quote the Internet's watering hole.

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<v Speaker 2>What no, sorry, no, yeah, no longer the everything website

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<v Speaker 2>the watering hole. What are you doing? What is with you? People?

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking jump off a bridge, you stupid sons bitious.

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<v Speaker 3>It is interesting you still really met at Elon because

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<v Speaker 3>Elon is also one of the originators of this current

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<v Speaker 3>wave of like Epstein focus.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting. After the letter came out, Elon was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, obviously a fake. Obviously. I think he's scared.

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<v Speaker 2>I think some g men showed up at his door

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<v Speaker 2>and were like, this is a nice life you've got,

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<v Speaker 2>fucking Elon Musk. It would be a shape of a

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<v Speaker 2>hell fire missile, hit your house, hit your fucking compound

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<v Speaker 2>with all of your wives.

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<v Speaker 5>But the thing is, and this is the fun part

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<v Speaker 5>about this is like it doesn't matter what Elon says now,

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<v Speaker 5>like he already opened the floodgates and the games are fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Open now, Like no, no, no, do.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what else the gates are open from?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is our advertisers and we're back. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>the gist of the situation. Now this letter is out,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll lot of people, even I was, and I

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<v Speaker 2>still am to some extent kind of there's been so

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<v Speaker 2>many ops. This has to be it for old Donnie

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<v Speaker 2>Trump out of this one. Nitny wiggles this fucking way

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<v Speaker 2>out right, you know that said, this does seem to

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<v Speaker 2>be pissing off a lot of his more diehard people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>including fucking the Dilbert guy. We don't need to give

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<v Speaker 2>any name besides the Dilbert guy, but the Dilbert guy's

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<v Speaker 2>pissed about this. A lot of people who have been

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<v Speaker 2>like really religious Trump supporters are pissed as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of this. Ye Sean Ryan the right who is pissed

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<v Speaker 2>about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Even Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has been more

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<v Speaker 3>Trump critical the past week and has given interviews to

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<v Speaker 3>another mega influencer turned soft Trump critic, now Benny Johnson,

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<v Speaker 3>about how Trump handled this so poorly. And a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of them are trying to make this down into like

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<v Speaker 3>a messaging fail or like a rhetoric fumble, which obviously

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<v Speaker 3>it's so much more substantial than that. But cracks are

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<v Speaker 3>forming in a way that we haven't really seen for

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<v Speaker 3>his base in a long time.

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<v Speaker 5>And the thing I think is really important about this

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<v Speaker 5>is that, Okay, so this is me a going history mode.

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<v Speaker 5>If you look at a thing that has been studied

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<v Speaker 5>by an enormous amount by the left and I think

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<v Speaker 5>studied mostly wrong, which is how did the Bolsheviks actually

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<v Speaker 5>take power in nineteen seventeen. And the answer is that

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<v Speaker 5>when they came for Kerensky in the October Revolution, everyone

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<v Speaker 5>stayed home. Everyone looked at Kerensky and was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not dying for that dip shit, like fuck them. Like

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<v Speaker 5>if there's like dueling machine gun companies in the street,

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<v Speaker 5>i Am not going to go die for Alexander Kerensky.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's all they won because everyone stayed home. And

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<v Speaker 5>that's the thing with Trump, right. The thing that's important

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<v Speaker 5>about this is that the way that Trump can be

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<v Speaker 5>defeated is if enough of his base just stays the

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<v Speaker 5>fuck home. Whenever the sort of terminal crisis hits and

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<v Speaker 5>every single thing we get like this, we're more and

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<v Speaker 5>more of his base is like, well, I mean I

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<v Speaker 5>could go face down a machine gun line for this guy,

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<v Speaker 5>but he did piss me off by Epstein, so like

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<v Speaker 5>fuck that. The more that it happens, the better it

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<v Speaker 5>is for all of us. Whenever the confrontations start to emerge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think in general, just the more so, much

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<v Speaker 2>of the modern right is built on the Epstein stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of it is a myth. Right, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a mythical idea that Epstein is trafficking small children and

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<v Speaker 2>he's not. He was trafficking teenage girls, because that's what

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<v Speaker 2>mostly rich adult men want to fuck, Right, That's just

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<v Speaker 2>the reality of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Situation, including famously Donald Trump. Yeah, he has like said

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<v Speaker 3>this before, and you can look at the many court

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<v Speaker 3>cases that have often been solved out of court legend

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<v Speaker 3>by him, and like, there's this clip of the Howard

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<v Speaker 3>Stern Show from the mid two thousands, which is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of an endless source of men saying horrible things.

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<v Speaker 2>I will include this clip here thing about four year olds.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, absolutely, would you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no problem? Yeah, do you have any age limit?

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<v Speaker 2>Or would you no?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I have no age.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I have an age. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be like with you a twelve year old? Can I

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<v Speaker 2>make a prediction for you?

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<v Speaker 5>Good lord?

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<v Speaker 3>This is the incorrect response to this question. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 3>question has a very clear like cut off point, which

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<v Speaker 3>even still is a little bit iffy. But this is

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely the wrong answer. The answer is not twelve years old.

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<v Speaker 2>This is that is Marty legally the wrong answer? Oh man.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, one of the things I think it's also

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<v Speaker 5>really important about this is looking at this in the

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<v Speaker 5>context of Trump's unbelievable number of sexual assault allegations. And

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<v Speaker 5>we're going to get into that in a second, but

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<v Speaker 5>first we need to ask the question, Okay, has Donald

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<v Speaker 5>Trump ever intentionally looked at the naked body of an

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<v Speaker 5>underage girl? And in order to figure out the answer

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<v Speaker 5>to this, I am going to turn to the man himself,

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump, talking about walking into the changing rooms of

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<v Speaker 5>teen Miss USA pageants and I quote, you know, no

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<v Speaker 5>men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because

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<v Speaker 5>I'm the owner of the pageant. I'm inspecting it is everyone. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>you know they're standing there with no clothes and you

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<v Speaker 5>see these incredible looking women, and I sort of get

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<v Speaker 5>away with things like that. Now, that is our President,

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<v Speaker 5>Donald J. Trump saying that he walks into changing rooms

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<v Speaker 5>and looks at the bodies of naked underage girls and

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<v Speaker 5>says that they are anti quote, incredible looking women. Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>this is Mia from the future. So the Rolling Stone

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<v Speaker 5>piece where this quote from the Howard Stern interview is

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<v Speaker 5>pulled implies that Trump is specifically talking about Miss teen

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<v Speaker 5>USA when he talks about walking into pageants. In the

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<v Speaker 5>actual transcript, as Listener pointed out, Trump is referring to

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<v Speaker 5>the regular Miss USA thing, so he is specifically and

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<v Speaker 5>he does say this later on merely walking in on

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<v Speaker 5>women who are aged eighteen to twenty four. Well, they

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<v Speaker 5>are undressed, so that's worth clarifying. And I apologize for

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<v Speaker 5>the mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember when this quote was going around like maybe

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<v Speaker 3>ta years ago. Yeah, and then just no one, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's gone to the memory hole now.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, disappear right, Like there's so much of this shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the Access Hollywood tape, but like.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I think it's actually worth like looking at this.

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<v Speaker 5>There's another quote from Vox where they say this is

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<v Speaker 5>an incident of like Trump walking in on a changing

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<v Speaker 5>room like of again like naked underage girls. Quote. The

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<v Speaker 5>Lottel told BuzzFeed she mentioned the incident to Trump's daughter Avonka,

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<v Speaker 5>who shrugged it off, saying, quote, yeah he does that,

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<v Speaker 5>so like yeah, like this is multiple people cooperating that

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<v Speaker 5>he just like walks into the changing rooms of naked

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<v Speaker 5>underage girls and like looks at their bodies right now,

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<v Speaker 5>I will call that pedophile shit, right Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if he wants to sue me for one billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 5>please don't.

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<v Speaker 2>But like sounds like he's alleging a pedophile shit.

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<v Speaker 5>He's the one who said this, so, like you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's worth noting also last year a jury did

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<v Speaker 5>rule that Trump had sexually assaulted an advice columnist named

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<v Speaker 5>em J. Carroll, and you had to pay her like

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<v Speaker 5>five million dollars. There's also again the like grabb him

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<v Speaker 5>by the pussy thing, which is him just talking about

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<v Speaker 5>sexually assaulting women, which he does constantly. He kept on

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<v Speaker 5>just like walking up to like people at his pageants

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<v Speaker 5>and just kissing him without their consent, which is again

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<v Speaker 5>sexual assault and directly tied to the Epstein case. We

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<v Speaker 5>have an allegation by former model Stacy Williams, which for

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<v Speaker 5>some reason, I don't know why everyone has suddenly forgotten

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<v Speaker 5>about this, who alleged that she was introduced to Trump

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<v Speaker 5>by Epstein, who like walked her to Trump Tower to

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<v Speaker 5>meet Donald Trump, where he then sexually assaulted her like

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<v Speaker 5>in front of Epstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in Trump Tower.

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<v Speaker 3>This was also included in a list the New York

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<v Speaker 3>Times put together a few days ago on like Trump

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<v Speaker 3>and Epstein's friendship quote. One of the young women who

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<v Speaker 3>later said mister Epstein greendon abused her, was recruited into

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<v Speaker 3>his world while working as a spot in an at

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<v Speaker 3>mar a Lago. Another accuser recalled being eyed by Trump

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<v Speaker 3>during a brief encounter in mister Epstein's office and claimed

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<v Speaker 3>that mister Epstein told Trump at the time, quote, she's

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<v Speaker 3>not for you.

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<v Speaker 5>So like he just like says this, right, And I

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<v Speaker 5>think this is you know, part of the problem that

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<v Speaker 5>we've been sort of getting it here, right, which is

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<v Speaker 5>that like the conservative mythos about Epstein is that it's

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<v Speaker 5>like four year olds, right, and it's like, no, Epstein

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<v Speaker 5>was doing the shit that Donald Trump talks about doing, right,

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<v Speaker 5>But because it's like attached to Epstein, right, Like Trump

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't want to admit that he's been doing this, even

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<v Speaker 5>though he's been admitting that he's been doing this for

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<v Speaker 5>decades and decades and decades. It's harder for the conservatives

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<v Speaker 5>to deal with this because like all of these people

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<v Speaker 5>think the child marriage should be legal, and that creeping

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<v Speaker 5>on like fifteen year olds isn't pedophilia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not hot for them to deal with this because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have a fucking problem with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Matt Walsh's talking about how like seventeen year olds

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<v Speaker 3>are the most fertile. So yeah, this is very common

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<v Speaker 3>among certain aspects of like this like evangelical again.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a major thing on the right to fight

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<v Speaker 2>for it to be legal to marry fourteen year old girls,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as long as their parents say yes.

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<v Speaker 5>And you can look at this from a conspiracy productive

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<v Speaker 5>and be like, okay, like is there a ruling cabal

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<v Speaker 5>of pedophiles I control the United States? And it's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's the Baptists and like the systematic cover up of

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<v Speaker 5>this shit by the Catholic Church, right, it's Epstein. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's also like Trump admitting that he's like again

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<v Speaker 5>perving on like doing pedophile shit, like walking in on

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<v Speaker 5>these changing rooms of these fucking girls. He's just like

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<v Speaker 5>admitting this on TV, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think like the current thing that Trump's trying

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<v Speaker 3>to do is make this Epstein thing another one of

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<v Speaker 3>the many lines of attack against him throughout the years,

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<v Speaker 3>and He's done a really good job at deflecting some

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<v Speaker 3>things that have some actual, like serious data on had

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<v Speaker 3>some serious investigations and like there was aspects of like

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<v Speaker 3>Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election. It may not

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<v Speaker 3>have changed the outcome of the election in a substantial manner,

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<v Speaker 3>but this is something that the FBI like legitimately investigated

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<v Speaker 3>and had like real findings of, and he was able

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<v Speaker 3>to just completely like rewrite what that investigation was into

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<v Speaker 3>this like completely like astroturfed and like orchestrated huax. And

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<v Speaker 3>now it's like one of the main things that he

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<v Speaker 3>talks about. And whenever there's new things that people bring

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<v Speaker 3>up about why Trump is bad, he just compares it

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<v Speaker 3>to the Russia hoax. Everything's just just like the Russia hoax.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just another Democrat hoax against me. And this

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<v Speaker 3>has been such an effective way for him to diffuse

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<v Speaker 3>so many lines of attack against him. It's by just

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<v Speaker 3>repeating long enough and often enough that it's just a

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<v Speaker 3>baseless hoax. And he can do this anytime, and he'll

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<v Speaker 3>replace like, oh, you know, this is a hoax. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know when Hunter Biden does stuff, that's the real

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<v Speaker 3>thing that the Democrats then try to cover up.

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<v Speaker 2>Laptop.

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<v Speaker 3>They talk about Hunter's laptop so many times something that

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<v Speaker 3>does not matter. But like this is the trend that

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<v Speaker 3>he's been able to do, and eventually journalists and media

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<v Speaker 3>get tired of having to repeat the same thing over

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<v Speaker 3>and over again, explaining that these things are not baseless

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<v Speaker 3>hoaxes but are legitimate investigations, legitimate concerns, and people just

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<v Speaker 3>get tired of it. And he's able to like warp

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<v Speaker 3>reality around things that he says. And this is the

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<v Speaker 3>thing he's currently trying to do with Epstein. This is

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<v Speaker 3>why he's calling it the Epstein hoax, using the same

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<v Speaker 3>rhetoric that he used around all of the Russia stuff

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<v Speaker 3>around the twenty twenty election, around Hunter Biden's laptop, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna tire people out, and you I can already

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<v Speaker 3>kind of feel some of this like iteration of it

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<v Speaker 3>losing some steam, And like I thought the Wall Street

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<v Speaker 3>journal piece would like invigorate people's discussion of like Trump's,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, alleged pedophilia, and I think it's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>at least in like observing the online ecosystem, immediate ecosystem

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<v Speaker 3>the last few days, I don't know if Trump's strategy

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<v Speaker 3>is working, but it is growing stagnant and that's just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the pace of the Internet sometimes. But if

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<v Speaker 3>he's able to keep doing what he's currently doing, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not sure if this stuff's going to really matter in

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<v Speaker 3>two months beyond, you know, whatever comes out in discovery

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<v Speaker 3>for the like Murdoch lawsuit, we should maybe explain who

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<v Speaker 3>Murdoch is.

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<v Speaker 2>Just it's doing murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Rupert Murdoch is he's a leftist revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's going to say, member of the Communist Party. No,

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<v Speaker 1>Murdoch is an Australian tabloid magnate who owns the tabloid

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<v Speaker 1>press more or less at some point in time. He

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<v Speaker 1>has probably owned most of the tabloid press in the

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<v Speaker 1>English language almost all around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>He owns The Sun in the UK, also The Times

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia. He owns The Daily Sun and Deli Telegraph.

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<v Speaker 1>In the US, he owns in Wall Street Journal and

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Post. He also owns Sky News, which

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast like in the UK, he owns Fox News. He

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<v Speaker 1>used to own people in the UK, remember the News

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. He owns a massive amount of the

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<v Speaker 1>tabloid and I guess the broadsheet press now. But he

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<v Speaker 1>has historically been very right wing right. It's fair to

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<v Speaker 1>say that murdock outlets have boosted tranormously in his assent

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<v Speaker 1>to office. However, now it appears they have fallen out,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is significant. I think it is significant that

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<v Speaker 1>this guy who has played a huge role in Trump's like,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have the sort of liberal Walter Cronkite anymore, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like the person who can change their mind on something

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<v Speaker 1>and take the nation with them in the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the Kronkite had a role in doing at least in

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<v Speaker 1>the Vietnam War. The boomer and gen x conservative people

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<v Speaker 1>still have that in Fox News right like Fox News

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<v Speaker 1>can because it's like the constant background noise in people's

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<v Speaker 1>lives in so much of this country. It can take

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<v Speaker 1>people with it. And the fact that Trump has gone

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<v Speaker 1>after Murdoch, I think that is potentially they're falling out.

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<v Speaker 1>Continues that it's potentially the most damaging part of this

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<v Speaker 1>for him.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to read a quote. I think I've talked

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<v Speaker 5>about this on the show before, but Murdoch's role in

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<v Speaker 5>doing the sort of reality shaping stuff for Trump until

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<v Speaker 5>now and Garrison we were talking about about how Trump

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<v Speaker 5>is able to sort of create his own reality. I

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<v Speaker 5>want to read this quote from the Bush administration that's

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<v Speaker 5>very famous, which is like the reality based canuit quote,

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<v Speaker 5>because the neo cons were trying to do the same thing. Right.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a very famous quote from the Bush administration which

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<v Speaker 5>is attributed to a journalist named Ron Suttzkind, and he's

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<v Speaker 5>doing an interview with like a Bush Administration aid, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just going to quote fromit. The aid said that

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<v Speaker 5>guys like me were a quote in what we call

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<v Speaker 5>the reality based community, which he defined as people who

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<v Speaker 5>quote believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of

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<v Speaker 5>discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore,

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<v Speaker 5>he continued. We're an empire now, and when we act,

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<v Speaker 5>we create our own reality. And while you're studying reality judiciously,

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<v Speaker 5>as you will, will act again, creating other new realities

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<v Speaker 5>which you can study too, and that's how things will

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<v Speaker 5>sort out. We're history's actors, and you, all of you

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<v Speaker 5>will just be left to study what we do. And

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<v Speaker 5>that's you know a lot of a trump ism is too, right,

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<v Speaker 5>which is that like, yeah, I know all of you

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<v Speaker 5>people are trying to like describe reality. I'm just simply

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<v Speaker 5>going to change it by saying shit, right, doing shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And like all he has to do is like diffuse

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<v Speaker 3>the possible damage that this Epstein thing can do to

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 3>his base. Like he does not care about the other

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 3>half the country at all. He knows that they hate him,

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 3>that does not matter. All he has to do is

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<v Speaker 3>create enough of a doubt in the mind of the

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<v Speaker 3>base that this thing isn't real. There's no proof that

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<v Speaker 3>this Wall Street Journal story is real. This is all

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<v Speaker 3>a hoax. The Epstein files were written by Obama, even

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<v Speaker 3>though the second Epstein investigation was kicked off when he

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<v Speaker 3>was president in twenty nineteen. But all these files were

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<v Speaker 3>written by Mina Garrison.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's bold of you to say that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was president in twenty nineteen. That's very much upfit toy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a controversial claim now about who was president in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, certainly, like who was president in twenty twenty is

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<v Speaker 1>something that the country now disagrees about.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. The thing I want to say about this, though,

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<v Speaker 5>right is, the neocons believe they could do this right.

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<v Speaker 5>The Newocons believed they had seized the range of empire

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<v Speaker 5>and they could forever shape reality to their will, and

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<v Speaker 5>they couldn't This quote from two thousand and four, Right,

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<v Speaker 5>the newocons tried to do this and they add a rock,

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<v Speaker 5>and they thought they could just fucking will like empire,

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<v Speaker 5>like we create reality. I thought they could just turn

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 5>a rock into their own personal playgrounds, and it destroyed them.

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<v Speaker 5>Like where are the neocons now? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like some of them are obviously the Trump miministration, but

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<v Speaker 2>like this is not a neocons Some of them are

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<v Speaker 2>now in the anti Trump verside of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, many of them are in the Lincoln project.

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<v Speaker 2>I think is right.

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<v Speaker 5>The neocons are, like they don't they do not rule

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<v Speaker 5>the empire anymore. Right, that's Trump. These people they ran

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<v Speaker 5>into a piece of reality that they tried to devour

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 5>and consume and replace, and it destroyed them. And I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know if this is that for Trump, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I don't know. I'm not that optimistic.

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 5>But like the last time that someone tried to do

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<v Speaker 5>this using the American state, they eventually hit a thing

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 5>they couldn't swallow and it completely annihilated them. And that's

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 5>the goal with us, right, Like we have to like

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<v Speaker 5>find the thing where enough of the coalition is peeled

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<v Speaker 5>off and where it just completely blows up in their

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 5>fucking face. And hopefully it's not like the Iraq War

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<v Speaker 5>three or something. But this ability to warp reality purely

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 5>by like thought and speech and action of empire like

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 5>has its limits, and we've seen them be destroyed before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it took a lot of people dying into the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, and that's.

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<v Speaker 5>What it was horrible, Right, It's not easy to stop

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 5>these people. But you know, like, where the fuck is

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 5>George Bush right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's doing a painting, Yeah.

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, on his foreign painting, but he's not running the

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<v Speaker 5>fucking country's far.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like ten miles away from where I still live.

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<v Speaker 2>It down. God, he's at Robin's house. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what else we got to say about our old

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 2>friend Jepstein.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess the one last thing that I have to

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<v Speaker 5>say is I actually do think that, Like, look, if

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<v Speaker 5>the thing that you've decided to do is you want

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 5>to wage information warfare, like just continuing to spread this

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 5>shit and like seating it in random right wing things

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 5>is probably a fun thing to do with your time.

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<v Speaker 5>It could work. Who knows it can't hurt?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it could, but probably won't. What really

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>could hurt right now? Given where we are, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like the biggest chink in the maga ama that

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>we've seen. Like he's lost more people over this than

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<v Speaker 1>tearing families apart with masked and identified men with guns.

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:15.479
<v Speaker 2>People are fine with that, James unfortunately lost to him

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 2>think it's cool, but some of them don't.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's going to be our interview tomorrow or maybe yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole country is governed by QAnon logic. Now, this

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<v Speaker 3>is the only thing that truly gets Americans upset anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>As like an entire political block. Yeah, this is it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like QAnon as a cohesive conspiracy doesn't really exist anymore,

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 3>but its logic has perforated every aspect of America, Democrats

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 3>and Republicans included. Now and that's the real people that's

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 3>like survived, survived the past ten years of politics. Is

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 3>like the logic of QAnon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only thing that matters. It cannot be killed anymore.

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